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I met Sherrod Brown today.

Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 02:21:40 PM PDT

As a local (Boston, MA) financial supporter of an peace and anti-nuclear weapons group Council for a Livable World, I was invited to a meeting in which members of the CLW board met with Ohio congressman and senate candidate Sherrod Brown, an interview after which CLW would consider endorsing him.

I should state that I have given money to Paul Hackett, and, if I lived in Ohio, was leaning to voting for Hacket, though I thought either one would make a fine senator.

Anyway, I was impressed with Sherrod Brown, in the sense that he really gets it.  For example, he talked about Republicans "working the refs" in relation to the media.  He talked about how John Kerry never talked about raising the minimum wage, despite the fact that it was on a ballot referendum in Florida and got around 70% support, and that Kerry lost the 10 poorest counties in Ohio. Brown plans to put economic issues front-and-center.  He wrote a book on the dangers of so-called free trade.

He's also extremely concerned about the use of mercenaries, Haliburton and the "privatizing of war," as it "creates a whole new lobby that will be pushing for war."

Other things I learned about Sherrod Brown is that he's a devout Christian (Lutheran), is comfortable talking about his faith, want to get out of Iraq within a year.  Also, he mentioned that, before the 2000 redistricting made his district more Dem, for 10 years he represented a district that leaned Republican, and that he had won statewide.

On the horserace front, Sherrod cited a telephone poll from a couple of weeks ago(Sorry, I forget the name of who did it, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't internal) claiming that he was polling ahead of Paul Hackett something like 51-22.  A whole bunch of well-known DC-based groups, as well has local party chairs, are endorsing him or are about to, and he had something like $2,000,000 in the bank, while Paul Hackett had almost nothing.  In short he was making the case that his victory in the primary is inevitable.  

Anyway, I came out of that meeting impressed with Sherrod Brown's sincerity and values, and feel that he's really on our side.  He wants to make things better and, to paraphrase, take on the corporations who are screwing things up in the first place.  Either he or Hackett will make a fine senator.

Now for the somewhat disturbing part:

After he left, members of the CLW board (who were in their 60s and 70s), had to decide whether to endorse him.  They all went around saying how much they liked what Brown had to say.  At this point I asked "I agree that Brown is excellent on the issues, and endorsing him in the general election is a no-brainer.  But before endorsing him in the primary, should we hear what Hackett has to say?  We have a limited number of dollars, and do we want to use them helping one excellent candidate defeat another possibly excellent candidate when there are so many terrible ones out there?"

Their reply was very illustrative of the DC-based groups' mentality.  Basically, according to them, Sherrod Brown, as an incumbent, has a record of votes, and a record of winning elections.  Paul Hackett is a rookie, and all we have is his word, which is worth a lot less than a record.  We should stick to someone who has been in politics, as it's safer.

They unanimously voted to endorse Sherrod Brown.  (I'm not a board member, so I didn't get a vote.)  They did express hope that Hackett would run for the House seat again.

To summarize:  Sherrod Brown good; overcautious, incumbent-loving DC-based groups perhaps not so good.

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  •  Did you ask him why he's being an ass... (2.50 / 2)

    ...in running for the Senate only AFTER Paul Hackett made his decision to run?

    I'm pretty pissed at Sherrod for doing that...

    Had he decided to run when he was actually asked (i.e. pre-Hackett), I would be all for him, but now, forget it.  

    Thanks,

    Mike in Ohio

    The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

    by LordMike on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 02:26:14 PM PDT

    •  No I didn't (none / 0)

      Though the folks over at http://www.mydd.com asked him that question, politely of course, when they interviewed him about a week ago.   His response was that he had family issues, mainly involving his kids, that kept him from committing to running the race back when the DSCC first asked, but that those issues cleared up a couple of months later.  Maybe that's BS.  Who knows.

      In any case, I'm probably staying neutral until the primary is over.  (Remember, I'm not from Ohio.), then will write a big check to the winner.

      •  "Family Issues" (none / 0)

        Whatever...

        "Some people think the president is not bound by the law. Out of respect for their opinions, I'm not going to stand behind my own." Obama, et al

        by Dysfraxion on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 02:35:12 PM PDT

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        •  well (none / 0)

          During that time frame there were certain things going on. His daughter from NYC was getting married. His other daughter was going back to college. He was moving. And he was one of the top voices as Cafta was being pushed through. Also there is the issue with his wife and her work.

          I still thing he could have warned Hackett that he was still considering a run. But to say its not legit when he says there were family concerns is wrong.

      •  Early money (none / 0)

        is important in politics-- especially for someone like Hackett.

        Just a thought.

    •  Brown's answered this multiple times (4.00 / 2)

      Short version:  

      His wife is a Pulitzer prize winning columnist with the Cleveland Plain Dealer, they were concerned about the effect a campaign would have on her career; Schumer & Reid wanted a commitment on an unrealistic timetable (had to say yes/no the middle of the CAFTA fight); two of his daughters were getting started at college, and the other one was getting married.

      After those issues were resolved, he stepped in.  It wasn't to screw Hackett.

  •  Whoopy (4.00 / 2)

    "Other things I learned about Sherrod Brown is that he's a devout Christian, is comfortable talking about his faith"

    Yeah, because it is so hard to find politicans like that nowadays.

    "Some people think the president is not bound by the law. Out of respect for their opinions, I'm not going to stand behind my own." Obama, et al

    by Dysfraxion on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 02:41:34 PM PDT

  •  I want our primaries to be like (4.00 / 2)

    pagents of the possibilities for the Democratic Party rather than mud wrestling fests when we have two good candidates.  I was sorry to read in this dairy that the pagentry was doomed from the start by the early betting on the reliable old horse.  Brown may be the best guy for this race, but how can we tell if we don't give his opponent enough of a shot to measure which is indeed the best?  It is a shame to lose that kind of opportunity.  
    •  Well said! (none / 1)

      I agree 100%.  
    •  Sherrod has never run for a Senate seat (none / 1)

      so why is he referred to as the "reliable old horse" while Hackett gets access to the sparkly crown of "new guy" and a free pass to any hard examination?

      ...for the duration of his six-and-a-half terms in office, he has been one of Congress's most stalwart progressives. "I've known him for many years," says [Bernie] Sanders. "What's very clear is that Sherrod Brown knows which side of the struggle he is on."

      So, Bernie Sanders says Sherrod not only understands the struggles we endure, but he has consistently come down on our side in that struggle.  Sherrod Brown has been one of Congress's most stalwart progressives.  Rather knocks that flip-flop label right out of the ballpark, doesn't it?

      Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

      by bronte17 on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 03:10:06 PM PDT

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      •  Oh the more I learn about him the more (none / 1)

        I get the impression that he is a very good candidate and more importantly would be a good Senator for his home state.  I was just saying that I think that Hackett has a lot of potential too and I don't want to have either dammaged in the process of a primary, but rather allow both to be showcased.  At the end of the day, the primaries could be used to show off some talent old and new.  I also think it is short-sighted to place all of your bets before you give both a chance.  That is how we end up with people like Lieberman.
        •  Well, as someone who has bet (none / 0)

          on horses more than a few times --I do a thorough examination of the actual horse before my money goes down. [referencing thoroughbred racing, not harness racing]

          Same could be said of my purchasing power.  I don't impulse buy and have a predilection for antiques.  So, I know how to examine items for authenticity, quality, functionality, and stability.

          I like to know what I am buying. Lieberman has never been known as a progressive and anyone reading his MO would know what they were buying when voting for him.  Sherrod Brown is NOT comparable to Joe Lieberman.

          Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

          by bronte17 on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 04:06:57 PM PDT

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          •  The parallel I was drawing was the (none / 0)

            status quo v. the new.  The stagnation that occurs here in DC is in part because there isn't always enough vetting when it comes to "tried and true" candidates who like in Liberman's case may continue to win, but more and more fail to represent their constituents' values.  It seems from what little I know of Brown that Liberman and Brown couldn't really be philosophically further apart especially in the "representing constituents" realm.  I think that certain Senators and Congressmen sort of have an expiration date.  They may be good for their time, but need to be replaced.  Some like Senator Byrd for instance continue to be relavent.  They are so good that it makes sense to keep them.  But I am not a supporter of keeping people in office just because they have been there a long time.  I am also really opposed to term limits.  Voters should always be able to set "the terms".  

            My honest opinion is that while I think Hackett would be cool, he hasn't enough experience to handle the Senate yet.  But that opinion isn't based on winning elections or losing them - that assessment is made based on the governing experience that I think people need to have at that level of government to be effective.  I would have felt better if that board talked a little more about experience in government rather than experience at the polls.  Winning races is fine, but what people do when they get to serve the electorate is really what it is all about.

            •  Sorry if my post sounded contrite and sharp (none / 0)

              It just seems so many here on dKos go for Brown's jugular by saying he is a flip-flopper and an insider who needs to get booted out of the way. Neither one aptly applies.

              Agreed wholeheartedly with many of your points.  The term limits dialogue worked well to get GOP thugs elected, but it hasn't been that miracle pill as it was touted.

              Anyway, back to Lieberman and his constituency.  He represents Connecticut and that is the wealthiest region in the US, I believe.  So, it comes as no surprise that Lieberman probably represents his more "vocal" constituents very well.  [Yes, CT has the biggest disparity in incomes also.]  So, my guess is that many of Lieberman's constituents don't have a problem with his performance in Congress.

              Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

              by bronte17 on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 08:27:26 PM PDT

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              •  Well see on Lieberman's actual (none / 0)

                support I think the tide has changed dramatically.  My best friend lives there in one of those fancy towns where they have lovely garden parties and never discuss politics... until recently... and you know what some of Lieberman's most "vocal" supporters aren't really feeling "the love" as it were.  In fact, I recently heard tale about how an entire neighborhood gathering sort of turned into an anti-Bush rally and Lieberman wasn't off the hook at all either.  Basically, we are talking a rich angry mob and you know how scary that is to politicians...

                Anyhow, I think the best thing that could happen would be for Lieberman to get the Sec Def job and for the CT dems to have the opportunity to get someone else in there who is more alligned with their values than with BushCo's.

                •  Good to hear that people are waking up (none / 0)

                  and a Democrat more aligned with voters may get voted into office.

                  Can't agree with the "best thing" would be for Lieberman to get the Sec Def job.  That position is the very worst and last office that any Democrat should hold right now.  

                  Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

                  by bronte17 on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 10:28:09 PM PDT

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  •  Here in Ohio (none / 1)

    We need every single progressive/liberal we can get elected, sad to say - and I am very sad Hackett & Brown have to fight this out.  It's money and energy we can ill afford in '06, and it's already all over everywhere, even nationally, that the run between these two is going to be nasty.  I am torn, although I lean toward Hackett because he is new, he is an Iraq vet, and he is rough around the edges, which I think will play well in just about all of southern Ohio which is solid and deep red, including our 'burbs in S.Cols. area, Dayton area, Chillicothe area, and of course Cincinnati.  
    It may come down to the guy who gets the UAW/IUE endorsement will get the nod - these folks voted for too much for Bush and have gotten burned badly, and will continue to feel the burn.  Sigh.
    Personally, I fear Ohio will go Rethug yet again unless we mount a strong, long campaign featuring workers rights, healthcare, and getting our kids out of the Middle East with some kind of "honor" - as if that last one is possible.
    Sorry from the long comments from the snowy southern area of Ohio.

    Think what you are doing today. -Fred Rogers

    by JanL on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 04:13:20 PM PDT

  •  Not to sound defeatest here but.. (none / 0)

    Does anybody have a chance in Ohio once they pass these disgusting election laws, making it almost impossible to challenge an election, making people have all sorts of ID etc. etc. It would seem to me Dewine and/or his primary opponent could rape 20 children and still win when the system is so rigged.
  •  Simple math (none / 0)

    In the general election:

    Brown = Wins progressives

    Hacket = Wins progressives (by default. who else are they going to vote for, DeWine?) and the deep  red southern counties

    Those supporting Brown obviously aren't interested in winning the general.

    •  Well Crap! (none / 0)

      Should I just capitulate NOW?  Hell no.  I just want one of these guys to run a short race, so whoever is gonna get the primary nod can start collecting cash and supporters quick...I am not about to throw in the towel on this, or on Ohio.  All I'm saying is:  the Jesus people are marching.  We need to get our horses harnessed up, and get going.  It doesn't help a single tiny bit the ODP is in ...uh, a quagmire?  Pfffffffffft.  

      Think what you are doing today. -Fred Rogers

      by JanL on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 05:03:43 PM PDT

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      •  Greetings from Cincinnati (none / 0)

        I was proud to vote for Hackett in August and I will do so every time he is on the ballot.  I just like the guy and so did plenty of people in my supposedly deep red district.

        I don't want to see these guys rip each other up either. I like having 2 great candidates in Ohio. I wish there was some way to get them both in there.  Sometimes the candidates do more damage to each other in the primaries than can be withstood.

        Hope you are inside in the warm like me and not out there under the icy Ohio moon, JanL!

        Bye Bye Blackwell!

        by BlueGoo on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 05:12:01 PM PDT

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  •  CWL = (1.50 / 2)

    Council to Reelect Dewine
    •  DeWine (none / 0)

      ...is not all that hated as far as I can tell.  I think he can be got rid of with the "Throw the Bums Out" campaign, which is sure to be on the table.  Or is it??  I have walked, knocked, called...for THIS?! I am a little bitter, can you tell?!  Cripes.

      Think what you are doing today. -Fred Rogers

      by JanL on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 05:10:32 PM PDT

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  •  Why is Brown bragging? (none / 0)

    Why is Brown bragging so much about how he has this primary in the bag 51 to 22% and how he has all these endorsements?  Why his he bragging about how he has $2million in the bank and Hackett is broke?

    If he is so far ahead, I think Brown would feel comfortable where he wouldn't have to brag.  Instead he would just enjoy the primary.

    Something doesn't add up.  Maybe deep down inside he feels that Hackett is a threat or else why bother saying all those things.

    Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08

    by Drdemocrat on Sat Dec 10, 2005 at 08:29:38 PM PDT

  •  Why do you even mention this? (none / 0)

    And what does it mean to you?

    Other things I learned about Sherrod Brown is that he's a devout Christian (Lutheran), is comfortable talking about his faith,

    Be good to each other. It matters.

    by AllisonInSeattle on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 12:19:04 AM PDT

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