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Why can't Democrats be anti-war?

Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 02:33:34 AM PDT

Why can't the Democratic Party ever represent a true anti-war position?

The base of the party is largely anti-war, and has had strong tendencies that way ever since the Democratic Party emerged as the liberal party in America.  But when it comes time to nominate someone to stand for election, to the House, even more to the Senate, and especially to the White House, a true anti-war candidate has no more chance in the Democratic Party.

Our two party system, that practically makes third parties irrelevant, then, shuts out the possibility of a clean anti-war voice.

What passes for anti-war in the Democratic Party is usually a very muddy ambivalent position, doing its best to suck in people who desperately want change but also desperately want to go on with their private lives rather than engaging in the sacrifice that anti-war political activism requires.  Pro-war activism entails no such sacrifice, because it makes it easier to climb the corporate ladder, or otherwise advance in society.

Democratic Party leadership appeals to its anti-war base by saying things like, "We would have waged this war differently."  They accept the basic premise of the endless series of unjust wars and covert war-like actions that our country engages in.  World War II was against fascism, but our overthrow of Mossadek, our contra wars against the people of Nicaragua, our support of terrorism and torture in El Salvador and Nicaragua and Chile and the Philippines, on and on, are about securing control of other countries' resources for the benefit of a very narrow sector of the U. S. population.

Listening to the LBJ tapes, and the Nixon tapes, it is not hard to tell the difference between them.  You learn a lot.  Nixon was a very smart guy in many ways, foolish and blundering as he often was in front of the camera.  But he was devious way beyond watergate.  LBJ is not only very smart, but a kind responsible man who took the weight of the world on his shoulders.  And clearly he knew that the war in Vietnam was wrong.  But as clever as he was in domestic policy with a strong agenda of moderating the worst racially based human rights abuses in this country, he seemed powerless to get out of Vietnam.

I remember the hope I felt, as a child, with JFK's election, and the disillusionment when he proved himself to be a violent hawk.

I remember the Democratic Party's bitter fight to keep George McGovern from being elected, and the intra party sabotage that guaranteed him a landslide loss, but even worse, I remember the vigorous backpedalling of McGovern himself after he won the nomination after so much grief.  Only at the very end of the general election campaign did he return to the clean antiwar position that had made him popular with the party's antiwar base.  But it was too late.

That was a rerun of four years earlier, when Humphrey alienated the party's base all through the general election campaign, was clearly headed to landslide defeat, and then at the very end came back to them with a vow to get out of Vietnam, with the result that he came within a whisker of winning the election.

Jimmy Carter sure seems like an absolute hero when you compare him to W, with his kindly demeanor, his sense of humor and his willingness to be outspoken.  But he was plenty hawkish, bears a great deal of responsibility (with Zbig, who has also been saying deep and admirable things these days) for the rise of Islamic extremism, which Carter and Zbiggy cultivated to bring down the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, with the belief that Islamic extremists would never get it together to cause us serious trouble.  Gee, they were wrong.

Walter Mondale was a sad sick joke, as was Michael Dukakis.  Their positions were almost as Republican as Lieberman's.  They triangulated big time.  Throughout the contra wars, Reagan's gang of thugs, which has led pretty directly to the W gang of thugs, sold a line of lies that were outrageously obvious.  They were selling something, and some people were buying.  And the Democratic Party's response to US terrorism in central America was to propose to trim funding requests for that terrorism.  Trim.  I remember Lieberman was a very strong contra supporter - he might have been against even the trimming.  In any case there were Democrats, including him, who strongly supported the concept of arming gangsters and sending them in to terrorize, rape and murder peasants.

In 1982, Donald Rumsfeld was sent by Ronald Reagan as a special envoy to Saddam Hussein, bringing him presents, shielding him from international condemnation, because of the perceived US interest in setting Iraq and Iran against each other (at the cost of millions of lives on both sides, a very large portion of these the lives of children).  The Democratic Party made no fuss.

Now we have a Democratic leadership which still tends to attack this destructive war on management grounds - buying into the purpose, but arguing over logistics.

People who just plain oppose the war are portrayed, by those with the podium, as unrealistic.  Meanwhile, untold thousands of Iraqi children have died terrible deaths.  Shades of 1982, but now we are having Saddam tried for the crimes our government excused him for two decades ago.  The Democratic Party is not educating the people.  I have talked with liberal senators and have learned that at least some of them manage not to know these things.  They are way smarter than I am, and have way more resources at their control, so it has to be a wilful ignorance.

Howard Dean was not a likely candidate for a straight talker, I might have thought, but there he was, in 2003, laying it out for all, a genuine antiwar position and saying he could not see how any Democrat would support this war at all.  For this he was punished by the Democrat leadership, and Kerry, Edwards, and Gephardt ganged up on him.  Al Sharpton, who charmed me with his great speeches that were so on target, joined in on the pecking party, and I am sure he got some reward for that.  I despise Sharpton for that, not because I think that Howard Dean is the greatest leader ever, but because he was expressing the truth that so many of us saw, and that was consistent with what Sharpton was saying, but (in my mind no doubt for some personal advantage) Sharpton joined in the attack.

Why won't the Democratic Party let antiwar positions be expressed?  In so many of these wars our country is on the wrong side.  It seems clear to me that the reason is that there are huge piles of money available to people who are willing to sell themselves.  Our electoral system is used to winnow out people who speak for the true common interest, in favor of those who sell themselves, allowing concentrations of wealth to limit the public debate.

In this way, the things people really want - for example, peace - are taken off the agenda.

So?

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  •  Anti-war (none / 0)

    Here's what dems should do:

    Declare that this war was unjustly begun on faulty premises (WMD's, al Quiada, etc.).

    Declare that congress gave approval of war plans based on this faulty information.

    Declare that the Democratic Party no longer supports a war started on faulty information.

    Declare that the U.S. military has already accomplished its mission in Iraq (the real one, i.e. getting rid of Saddam Hussein).

    Adopt Rep. Murtha's plan to redeploy and bring home troops.

    This will show the public (who are hungry for real leadership on this issue) that Democrats have a clear plan to solve this problem.  If Iraq is going to be the central issue in next years elections, dems need to get behind a program that will be more acceptable to the American people than the Bush "plan".

    we must all do the best we can with what we have

    by goofyfoot on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 04:21:53 AM PDT

  •  So America is a violent, nationalistic... (none / 0)

    death-tolerant place.  Look at our history:  slavery, indian wars, Spanish, Vietnam and Iraq wars.  We even tolerate incredible death rates from handguns and automobiles.

    I was surprised to read last year in TAPPED that peace candidates always bomb.  It was just an aside sentence about something else, but I wished that was the topic when I read it.  I thought about it and the questions I started with are similar to this diary.

    Fact is, Americans want a winner and if it takes death and violence they'll take it.  They want to be rich so if that means buying into childish elitist dogma that crushes their middle class they'll do it.

    How I desperately wish it wasn't so.  Half of these fucking politicians dream of becoming president and becoming this shining warrior of conquest for the country, the men killed in doing it be damned.

    Jimmy Carter was not one of them, and looked what happened to him.  It should also be noted that Carter is also loathed for his Christian behavior, not just his thinking and policy.

    I'm going to try something else this morning, so I have to go, but I could go on.  Thank you for this very much--if we asked the question more often things might change.

    •  Part of the problem... (none / 0)

         ...is the abject, complete failure of organized religion in America to promote and work for peace and condemn war, which one would expect would be one of its primary missions if teay actually were as Chrsitian as they claim to be.

        Since so many Americans are religious, they listen to their churches and their pastoral leaders. These pastoral leaders spend 95% of their time and rhetoric on sexuality and related matters, and pay only cursory lip service to peace. And the fundamentalist churches actually pimp for war.

        So when America's "moral" leaders are at best silent and at worst hostile to the idea of peace, the sheep just don't feel any qualms about a government that pursues war after war.

        Being pro-war is "cool" in American in a way being pro-peace isn't. The churches are as much to blame for this perception as anybody, because they have completely abdicated the true mission of Christianity.

        We are a pretty sick society.

      "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

      by Buzzer on Sun Dec 11, 2005 at 06:06:11 AM PDT

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  •  I do believe (none / 0)

    an anti-war candidate can win.

    Enter Christine CEGELIS

    because she has a stance on so many different issues, i believe she can win despite her steady anti-war stance.

    check her out, and send her some love.  she really needs it.

  •  there were chances (none / 0)

    Under the right circumstances an anti war candiate could win, but it'd take things to break his or her way at just the right time. I think America is so naturally aggressive, it makes it nearly impossible. It's as if aggression and escalation of any kind is our default setting. There is also no gentle to way to say the DOD gets too much money, which you'd have to do. Hell, they lost $2 trillion and didn't even miss it. But to say that will get you smeared as trying to weaken the military when all you want to do is cut the excess and spend that money on things we really need. To say a war, any war, is wrong or not neccessary once someone says it's justified cuts against the natural aggression of America. If you're against a particular war, then somehow you're against any war, according to the right and most of the press. Not bombing someone else gets spun as wanting the U.S. to be bombed. It is difficult, but still possible, to overcome that stigma and win. I'll always believe in my heart that if Dean didn't say that he would break up these massive media companies, he'd have won Iowa and the nomination. When he was a threat to the democratic establishment, they thought he was a cute "what if?" kind of candidate, but when he went after the media, they got serious in a hurry and the fact that the media outlets didn't even address his comments about that idea was what made me worry the most and the treatment of him and everything he said or did afterwards was there real response. I don't think he was perfect, but he probably had the best shot that any anti-war candidate has ever had. Whether or not he would have won the Presidency is unknowable, but given the circumsatnces, it was as close to a perfect storm as we were ever going to get. To the questions, why can't the dems be anti-war?: The answer is that most of the big names not only supported the war, but tried discredit anyone who didn't because of there own political ambition. Some people say that the we were all lied to by Bush. That's true, but who really didn't know he was lying? Kerry and the gang were all betting that by the time the elections came around no one would care about Iraq, even if it went well (it should have), and if it went badly, then it would all fall on Bush and their vote wouldn't matter. Trying to bring down Dean moved Kerry so far right, it was impossible to argue in any credible way against the war. If Kerry voted against the war in the first place Howard Dean never would've have existed, he'd be a media annointed Democratic candidate with a unified party and he beats Bush easily. That was the anti-war candidate that many of us that were Dean supporters wanted and thought would be before his vote, but didn't get in 2002. What we got in 2004, was a guy who had to double back on his bad decision.

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