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It finally happened.  We all wondered when this day would come

Blackboxvoting.org finally had its day to prove that the Leon County, Florida, Diebold voting systems were hackable, and read what happened.

[Reprinted with permission from http://blackboxvoting.org ]

Due to security design issues and contractual non-performance, Leon
County supervisor of elections Ion Sancho told Black Box Voting that he
will never use Diebold in an election again. He has requested funds to
replace the Diebold system from the county. He will issue a formal
announcement to this effect shortly.

[Ready to fall off your chair?  Read more below the fold. . . .]

NEWSBREAK: CALIFORNIANS PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS TEST BEFORE CERTIFICATION IN OUR STATE: Petition for CA Hack Test
Finnish security expert Harri Hursti proved that Diebold lied to
Secretaries of State across the nation when Diebold claimed votes could
not be changed on the memory card.

A test election was run in Leon County today with a total of eight
ballots - six ballots voted "no" on a ballot question as to whether
Diebold voting machines can be hacked or not. Two ballots, cast by Dr.
Herbert Thomson and by Harri Hursti voted "yes" indicating a belief that
the Diebold machines could be hacked.

At the beginning of the test election the memory card programmed by
Harri Hursti was inserted into an Optical Scan Diebold voting machine. A
"zero report" was run indicating zero votes on the memory card. In fact,
however, Hursti had pre-loaded the memory card with plus and minus votes.

The eight ballots were run through the optical scan machine. The
standard Diebold-supplied "ender card" was run through as is normal
procedure ending the election. A results tape was run from the voting
machine.

Correct results should have been:

Yes:2 No:6

However the results tape read:

Yes:7 No:1

The results were then uploaded from the optical scan voting machine into
the GEMS central tabulator. The central tabulator is the "mothership"
that pulls in all votes from voting machines. The results in the central
tabulator read:

Yes:7 No:1

This proves that the votes themselves were changed in a one-step process
that would not be detected in any normal canvassing procedure - using
only a credit-card sized memory card.

Diebold Elections Systems head of research and development Pat Green
specifically told the Cuyahoga County board of elections that votes
could not be changed on the memory card.

According to Public Records responses obtained by Black Box Voting in
response to our requests shows that Diebold promulgated this
misrepresentation to as many as 800 state and local elections officials.,

In other news, according to Bradblog a stockholder suit was filed today
against Diebold by the law offices of Scott and Scott:

http://www.bradblog.com/...

Permission to reprint granted with link to http://blackboxvoting.org

DEC. 15, 2005, UPDATE: I hope multitude of reports today in the mainstream media ends the conspiracy theory alleging this SECOND BBV test was a media ploy or an elaborate conspiracy theory to bring down the election integrity movement: http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/13414791.htm

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/13413981.htm

The Miami Herald is reporting:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/13410061.htm

...as is USA Today:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-12-15-opticalvoting_x.htm

Originally posted to Einsteinia on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 04:30 PM PST.

Poll

I think Diebold is

1%23 votes
88%1521 votes
8%147 votes
1%31 votes

| 1722 votes | Vote | Results

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  •  Requesting funds? (4.00)
    Take the bastards to court to get your money back.  Leon county was screwed.

    -4.50, -5.85 "To initiate a war of aggression is ... the supreme international crime." ---Nuremberg Tribunal

    by Dallasdoc on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 04:32:52 PM PST

    •  take the bastards to court (4.00)
      and get our rightful President back.

      Baldric, you wouldn't know a cunning plan if it painted itself blue and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing "cunning plans are here again!"

      by Magnus Greel on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:06:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Maryland also cheated by Diebold (4.00)
      MD bought millions of dollars of the "no-recount" version of the Diebold DRE cheating machines, Cowardly Bob Ehrlich plans to use them to get himself back in office in 2006.  This could put a crimp in his plans, but he'll probably just continue with the Diebolding, since the tame, clueless Dems went along with his purchase.

      Can the Dems at least override the Ehrlich veto of advance voting and no-excuses absentee voting?  This could be the way to real progress in 2006- expand the pool of voters beyond the rich repub cronies.

      •  Vote Absentee (none)
        and vote for yourself for constable or sherrif or dog catcher just to make sure the ballot was counted.
        •  doesn't do any good... (4.00)
          If Diebold machines are being used to tally absentees.
          •  I voted paper absentee in MD (4.00)
            last year, it didn't seem like a form that a computer could do much damge with.

            I could be wrong.

            •  Absentee (4.00)
              How do you know your absentee ballot was

                  received on time
                  approved (signature checked, addressed checked, etc)
                  put in for counting
                  read correctly by the optical scan machine
                  tallied and tabulated.

              Full transparency.  All votes should be counted by hand and in public.  No more machines that obscure any part of the process!

            •  absentee is still best in MD (none)
              I agree with you, the Diebold central tabulators can still be used to steal the election, but at least with the paper absentee ballot there is something to recount.  The all-electronic Diebold DRE machines leave no trail, the election will be over with the Repug smugly in office and controlling all the machinery.

              An accurate voting system would require that a certain percentage of the paper ballots always be recounted by hand.  Otherwise the central tabulator/cheater machines will just be set to exceed the "trigger" level for recounts.  Then, just as in standard statistical monitoring, more ballots would be recounted if there were any errors in the initial, randomly selected. sample.

              Maryland is all set up for Ehrlich to steal the 2006 election, he will use fake polls from Repug paid operatives to try to indicate that he is closer to O'Malley than he really is- nothing is beneath the despicable Cowardly Bob Ehrlich, this is a person who has already violated the First Amendment by banning two Baltimore Sun reporters- what a guy!

      •  Democrats Hoyer and Dodd Opposed Paper Ballots (4.00)
        Primary opponents are needed for Steny Hoyer and Chris Dodd.

        from VerifiedVoting.org
        http://www.verifiedvoting.org/....

        "Although public (and media) interest in this issue continues to grow daily, movement on legislation slowed after four influential lawmakers from both chambers of Congress, both sides of the aisle, opposed further support by their colleagues for any voter-verified paper ballot legislation.  The March 3, 2004 "Dear Colleague" letter signed by

        Reps. Steny Hoyer (MD) A DEMOCRAT
        and Bob Ney (OH),
        and Senators Chris Dodd (CT) A DEMOCRAT
        and Mitch McConnell (KY),

        said they should simply "let the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) be implemented as written."

        from Lynn Landes:
        http://www.ecotalk.org/....

        "There's something strange going on in the Democratic Party. While George Bush's buddies dominate the vote counting business with no apologies to anyone about this rather incredible conflict-of-interest, Democrats are sending mixed signals on this continuing train wreck for democracy."

        many blue, yellow and green dogs are a majority

        by Prove Our Democracy with Paper Ballots on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:55:44 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Turn Dodd around on the issue (none)
          instead of running someone against him.  He's good on everything else pretty much.
        •  This may not be as bad as it appears (none)
          On Dec 13, 2005 the Election Assistance Commission FINALLY came out with the guidelines required by HAVA. These guidelines include mandating a voter verified paper trail.

          So when they say ""let the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) be implemented as written," it may be that they are taking these long overdue guidelines into account.

          Then again, they should still forcefully reinforce the call for paper trails rather than begging off the issue.
          --

          Conservatives are engaged in one of the oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior justification of selfishness.-- John Galbraith (roughly)

          by Dan Hrkman on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 11:42:09 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Would need to do both (4.00)
      I would think they would do both. Funds for a new system and sue for fraudulent claims about their product to recoup the money spent on these craptacular machines. There is no way that Diebld would settle or that a lawsuit would recoup the moneys in time for the 06 election. Need to get a legitimate voting system in place in Leon county ASAP.

      A lawsuit to recoup can be on a separate track.

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:20:14 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Legitimate voting system (4.00)
        How about paper ballots?  You know, checking boxes and then counting who has the most boxes checked and such.  It would only require the math skills of an average 2nd grader to get it done.  I would say most countys in the US should be able to handle that. Even the poor ones.

        They could ask any other country that does democratic elections for ideas.  Why does everybody else seems to be able to figure this out. Why do we make this so hard? Oh, that right money.

        Does the devil wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

        by strengthof10kmen on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 09:00:48 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Punch ballots work fine (none)
          when CLEANED! Where are all the old machines?

          How long before Bushco files for bankruptcy?

          by mattes on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 09:20:48 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  I voted on paper ballots for twelve years (4.00)
          Living in small towns on Cape Cod, paper ballots were the order of the day.  Make an X in the box, fold it up and put it in the box.  What's so tough?

          -4.50, -5.85 "To initiate a war of aggression is ... the supreme international crime." ---Nuremberg Tribunal

          by Dallasdoc on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 09:34:04 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  I think it's the HAVA standards: (none)
            (3) Accessibility for individuals with disabilities.--The
                    voting system shall--
                                (A) be accessible for individuals with disabilities,
                            including nonvisual accessibility for the blind and
                            visually impaired, in a manner that provides the same
                            opportunity for access and participation (including
                            privacy and independence) as for other voters;
                                (B) satisfy the requirement of subparagraph (A)
                            through the use of at least one direct recording
                            electronic voting system or other voting system equipped
                            for individuals with disabilities at each polling place;</div?<br>

            Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why we win. -Syriana

            by CarbonFiberBoy on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 07:47:23 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

    •  Sorry to hijack, but (4.00)
      I just found a special report issued today by Supervisor Sancho about the hack exercise and his conclusions.  This is an important primary source and Einsteinia, you should consider updating the diary with it.
      •  No hijack, but not issued today (4.00)
        I know today's date is at the head of the page, but that's just what the page does. This page has been there for a long time. Months? Anybody know?

        It is THE primary source that I know of.

        As far as I can tell, the subject of this diary has no corroborating source, at least not yet.

        (Firing from behind sandbags, he said:) It ain't happened yet. Let's celebrate when we hear from Sancho that he's gotten rid of those f***king machines. My guess is that he intends to substitute opti-scans and tabulators from another firm. Which one?

        The children of the poor perish in their beds, while the blastocysts of the wealthy are preserved for all eternity

        by CarbonFiberBoy on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:56:55 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Thanks for the correction n/t (none)
        •  Substitute from ES&S according to a recent (4.00)
          newspaper report.

          Here's why.  Sancho wants to remain all optical scan, including a plan to buy some of ES&S's AutoMARK handicapped-accessible ballot marking devices for the 1+ machines in a precinct that are legally required to be present for disabled voters.  AutoMARK is made by AutoMark Technical Systems (ATS) in Chicago, and co-marketed by ES&S.  ATS has said it will make its AutoMark opscan-ballot–marking overlay work with any company's system and tabulating feed if a company wants to cooperate with specs, not just to work only with ES&S's op-scan tabulators.  Diebold has said no way,  it will not cooperate with AutoMARK.  So Sancho is planning to switch from Diebold opti-scan to ES&S opti-scan. Sancho (and nearby Volusia County) doesn't want to have to use Diebold's touchscreen to comply with the HAVA accessibility (1 per precinct) issue.  (Big battle in Volusia over this for several months now.)

          Meanwhile, FLA's secretary of state [Glenda Hood until she resigned 1 week before the November election] has dragged her feet on certifying the AutoMARK.  There are also questions whether ES&S has been submitting timely and complete applications to the certifying office in several states, according to John Gideon of votetrustusa.org (another great site).

          [Note that at least 2 California counties started using the AutoMARK (opti-scan ballot output) --- Sacramento County and ContraCosta County (if I remember correctly!)  So California also has a state certified handicapped-accessible machine that's not a touchscreen.  That's quite important.

          Back to your other question about the Leon vote intrusion, another incident tookk place I think last spring or summer.  And THAT is the event that is written up on the Leon County elections administrator's website.

          *  Because FLA. has dragged its feet on the ballot marking device, both Leon and Volusia have to contemplate buying from ES&S some of its temporary touchscreens for disabled accessibility, and then hopefully trading them to ES&S's marketed AutoMark once the state of Florida releases its certification stranglehold.  Here's some background here.  This link won't work for much more than a week from this Florida newspaper.

          •  There also may be problems with AutoMARK. (none)
            Some disabled groups don't like AutoMARK because it forces them to handle paper, which would be difficult if you have a hand disability. This link also says that AutoMARK is not federally certified.

            That seems to leave no choices other than all mail-in ballots or open source DREs. I don't know of any open source DREs, and there doesn't seem to be much momentum for all mail-in.

            Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why we win. -Syriana

            by CarbonFiberBoy on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 09:31:11 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  I love the last part (4.00)
        "Based upon the data developed out of this exercise it is the opinion of the Leon County Supervisor of Elections that any effort to limit or remove the manual examination of paper ballots to confirm the correctness of election results is not in the public interest."
        •  Hand Counted Paper Ballots! Yahoo! (4.00)
          I do assume that manual examination means hand counting of paper ballots. Finally!

          Ultimately Better and Easier than Proving Fraud with No Evidence as intended by these machine companies (though the ballots exist for scanning machines, if the courts will ever let us count them) is Proving Our Democracy with Evidence--Paper Ballots Hand Counted.

          We should never have been put in this position of trying to prove fraud post elections, because on the very face of it, obvious to many is that the removal of evidence alone is suspect. And that is what these E-Voting and Scanning machine companies have done--taken an accountable, evidentiary system of voting to an unaccountable, non-evidentiary system.

          And many people know real evidence (people who use evidence regularly such as judges, lawyers, accountants, researchers, analysts, scientists, police, historians and even the press), and they know what it means when it is removed as in the case of E-voting and Scanning Machine Counts.

          You have to forget what you know about in-your-hands evidence, proof to go along with this.

          Instead of proving fraud post election, which is a difficult way to win elections, we should demand to
          Prospectively
          Prove Our Democracy
          with
          Hand Counted Paper Ballots!

          Our Challenge is a Movement of Restoration. A Restoration of Real Evidence, of Proof of Our Democracy.

          many blue, yellow and green dogs are a majority

          by Prove Our Democracy with Paper Ballots on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:50:50 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Ion Sancho (4.00)
          may be the best elected official in America.  I have seen first hand his hard work to assure fair elections and promote democracy. This man is a great American and a true patriot!  I hope the entire country can benefit like those of us who (until very recently anyway) live in Leon County.

          MQAblog In the right. On the Left.

          by MQAblog on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 08:29:54 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  well, with the ceo of diebold (4.00)
    facing fraud charges, perhaps the curtain is now being pulled back...

    "i was always dreaming of very powerful people, dictators and things like that." -- arnold schwarzenegger in "pumping iron"

    by hoodoo meat bucket on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 04:39:19 PM PST

    •  Not the CEO Anymore (4.00)
      He resigned yesterday :) I wonder why...

      Story here

      •  Swidarski Takes Over (4.00)
        COO and President Thomas Swidarski has been named the CEO of Diebold.  He held his former positions since his October, though in a 2003 release by the government of Maryland he was referred to as the President of Diebold Election systems, which commissioned an independent study of their systems by SAIC. SAID later said that "The system, as implemented in policy, procedure and technology, is at high risk of compromise."
        In all eleven executives from Diebold gave money to the President's campaign including Swidarski.

        "Republicans hate the French Revolution, and everything it stands for; Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, but they love the Guillotine.

        by agent double o soul on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 08:40:42 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Makes me wonder if their padlocks (4.00)
    Can be so easily bypassed.

    Heroes Serve - Republicans GET Served.

    by cskendrick on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 04:39:27 PM PST

  •  Here's a thought (4.00)
    Now that Dems know how to play the Diebold Game and win, we should lobby for expansion of their use.

    pause

    I'm sure the Republicans have no objections, on account the machines are so fair.

    Lord knows, how many times they've said so for the record. :)

    Heroes Serve - Republicans GET Served.

    by cskendrick on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 04:40:31 PM PST

    •  I have suggested this (4.00)
      in other comments,  But rather that suggesting we steal elections my point was to make the outcomes so impossibly one sided that no sane person could deny there was tampering going on (like giving an independant candidate 100% of the vote)

      The revolution will not be televised - on FOX

      by Uranus Hz on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 04:42:45 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Here's a thought (version 2.0) (4.00)
        Tweak the polls so they're 100% Pub.

        It's not like the Pubs will fight it, and it will accomplish the same result.

        Or is that an instance of thinking too much? :)

        Heroes Serve - Republicans GET Served.

        by cskendrick on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 04:50:02 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Why has there been silence about (4.00)
        the R.O.N. results in Ohio last month? I view that as an in your face: 'What're you gonna do about it? 'We control the machines.' 'Nyaa. Nyaa. Nyaa.' It was a 'compliance test.' To see what they could get away with. They let us have the two governorates because R.O.N. was more important to them, to keep the lid on their deceit.

        Ernest Partridge has an excellent post today:

        Dear Howard Dean: Why Bother?
        ...
         In the United States today, the GOP counts most of the votes, and there are no means to verify up to 80% of those votes.

        In view of this dreadful situation, when the Democrats ask me for a contribution I must reply: "What's the point? It's already been settled! What remains is an empty charade."

        The evidence of election fraud is overwhelming. You, Dr. Dean, are doubtless as aware of that evidence as I am. In fact, along with millions of fellow citizens, I watched the video clip of you sitting at a table with Bev Harris, as she simulated with a computer, in just a few seconds, a "fix" of an election. If I were to elaborate the evidence of fraud, space restraints would force me to halt after I had scarcely begun, and I would never get to other issues I wish to discuss in this letter.<snip>

         The response of the mainstream media in the face of all this? Total silence.

        The response of the Democratic Party? Total silence.

        The response of the media and the Party to the GAO report report validating the concerns of the critics? More silence.

        Why?

        Read the whole article

        •  Thank you, thank you, thank you! (4.00)
          I've been crying this from the rooftops since the election was "stolen."

          Read this article from the Columbus Free Press for more.

          The '05 midterms were unabashedly ripped off by Rethugs.

          Check out ePM's great new tool: Timelines!

          by Timroff on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:28:18 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  and yet (4.00)
            if they had the power to rip off elections anywhere there was diebold or optical scan, why then did they let us spank them in california, new jersey, and virginia? i'm not saying that foul play wasn't a possibility in ohio, either in '05 and '04 (i think we need an investigation to know either way), but i'm not sure they're omnipotent. if they are, they're more fucking incompetent than i thought, because those '05 losses in CA/NJ/VA set them back a bit.

            crimson gates reek with meat and wine/while on the streets, bones of the frozen dead -du fu (712-770)

            by wu ming on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:34:57 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  They pick their battles. (4.00)
              Ever wonder why even the media occasionally smack down the GOP or Bush? Even Joe six-pack might get wise to them if they were 100% pro-GOP shills. It's their cover. They gotta let us win a few to preserve the illusion of 'Democracy.'
            •  Why not 100%? (4.00)
              They already had to fly in the face of a number of polls. Why risk overreaching? All they needed was a win in a couple key swing states and some padding for the overall number from already red states (NC, NM).

              As Paul Wellstone used to say, all you need is 50% + 1.

              The polls don't tell us how a candidate is doing, they tell us how the media is doing. And Diebold tells us who won.

              by Thumb on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:55:47 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

            •  i might be wrong but . . . (4.00)
              Diebold was de-certified during the 05 election . . .

              ca is just now considerign re-certifying the use of the dreaded machines... with the insistence of the GOP sob . . . um i mean sos.

              so . . . if they could have they would have here. i reckon.

              -7.75 -5.59 Mr. Cheney, go fuck yourself.

              by trippinsf on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:07:37 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  IIRC (4.00)
                it was scheduled to be decertified by the '06 elections by campbell, but they remianed iin use until replaced. then macpherson replaced shelley, and we're still using them. but i could be wrong. any kossacks from cali who used optical scan or touchscreen here? my county uses punchcards, so i don't have eyewitness proof.

                crimson gates reek with meat and wine/while on the streets, bones of the frozen dead -du fu (712-770)

                by wu ming on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:48:21 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

          •  So have I (4.00)
            and so have the handful of people I have informed last year on Nov. 3rd when it was crystal clear to those of us who spent sleepless nights after the election completely shaken by the knowledge that Bush stole the election. That they cheated. That democracy was completely stolen from America in the year 2004-2000 was just the prelude to fullblown theft. That Ukraine protested and got a fair election while we sat here duped.

            I will never forget how upset I was at the realization when I watched Harris/Dean video. And read every document and analysis and statitician. And the bullshit stated in subsequent reviews that republican voters simply didn't partipate in exit polls as much as democrats. As if Bush voters in 2004 were some humble group of Americans and not the arrogant obnoxious bastards we know them to be. They all participated. And their numbers totalled 48percent of the people who voted that day.

            I submit that the election in 04 was indeed stolen, and the vote was padded in states like Texas and New Mexico to give him his appearnace of a "mandate."

            The only comfort now is that one thing remains constant: truth will always out.

            Always.

            •  " shaken by the knowledge " (4.00)
              THAT WE WERE NO LONGER FREE !!!!!!!!!
            •  Does anyone even know (4.00)
              the final results from New Mexico. I know it was only several thousand votes that seperated them. Kerry did say...*"John Kerry confirmed that he lost every precinet in New Mexico that used Touch Screen machines." in the GAO report..if you missed this article you should check it out. I tried to pull up New Mexico's SOS final Vote total's for Election '04 but the results were so small I could read them. I know they were contested but the result in regards to a recount said...even if Kerry won New Mexico it wouldn't change the outcome of the Election. I am not even sure if they did the recount there.  

              *This site is slower than Bush's reaction on 9/11.*

              by Chamonix on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:40:39 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

            •  Carl Rove was" worried" on election . (4.00)
              night. The exit polling was looking bad. But when he went to his "little room" upstairs in the White House to study the situation he came back "relieved" Maybe the hacking of the 2004 election took place in that "little room" then.

              I also remember a picture from election night of George and Laura. Laura looked nervous and frightened. George probably just told her Diebold made him the winner.

              "Are you tying to play Darwin to the lemurs in your head?"

              •  Yep. They didn't want to have to steal it (none)
                until they knew for sure they had lost it.  

                I remember looking at a photo of Rove "working the phone" on election night.  I was wondering just what he thought he could do about votes which had already been cast.  

                I guess he was prolly just chatin' it up with those doin' the countin', ya think?

    •  you know... (none)
      This might just be a good way to get them to agree we need a different method of voting, if they knew our side would be hacking away as well. "Hey, no fair!"
  •  Who's laughin now (4.00)
    time for some people to chomp on my foil hat.

    "Just when they think they know the answer, I change the question!" R.Piper

    by McGirk SF on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 04:45:50 PM PST

    •  No! Don't crumple that tin foil! (4.00)
      It's perfect for preparing a savory meal of crow, for those who will now need it.

      In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - George Orwell

      by occams hatchet on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 04:52:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  ...at the risk.. (4.00)
      ..of it being premature, I extend my congratulations to you.  Your critics were starting to become shrill contortionists.
    •  if you're talking about people here (4.00)
      I still haven't come across anyone who isn't troubled as all hell that our voting systems aren't transparent.

      The objections have been limited to claims of "fraud!" without proof of fraud occurring.

      Like the GAO report, this doesn't prove fraud. Just that our systems suck. Important news in and of itself.

      Daily Kos: turning unanimity into discord since...well...I frickin got here

      by AnnArborBlue on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:15:01 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  And an empty bank vault isn't evidence of robbery (4.00)
        The bank manager walks into the bank in the morning and sees the bank vault wide open, and the money gone.

        The empty bank vault is not evidence of a bank robbery. The bank vault door COULD have had a programming error and opened in the middle of the night, and a big wind COULD have simultaneously blown all the money into the river running through town, and the money floated downstream and out of sight.

        Now... should the bank manager refuse to call the police because there isn't "absolute" proof of theft? That's what you, DHinMI and the rest of the "never would happen in America" team say. Not enough evidence of a crime being committed according to you guys.

        •  one problem (4.00)
          you don't even have evidence of an empty bank vault.

          Just evidence of a faulty lock.

          Daily Kos: turning unanimity into discord since...well...I frickin got here

          by AnnArborBlue on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:48:52 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  And blown exit polls, ridiculous voting lines... (4.00)
            Will you finally admit it's time to call for a special prosecutor to investigate election fraud in the 2000 and 2004 elections? Will you finally admit the FBI should be actively gathering evidence?
          •  would you trust a faulty condom? (none)

            Let's make it real personal.  

            Your teenage daughter tells you she had sex with a classmate and the condom was faulty.  

            Are you going to get her tested for pregnancy and STDs?  

          •  Faulty lock good enough (4.00)
            I used to work in an environment with a lot of classified materials. Many people had personal safes to keep materials for which they were personally liable.

            If anyone ever came by and found your safe unlocked, even if you'd just gone to the bathroom for a second, it wasn't good enough just to look in and say "everything seems to be OK". The rules mandated a full investigation, a complete inventory of everything known to be in your possession, a dressing down by upper management and Security, and suspension without pay.

            The possibility of compromise was enough, by DoD rules, to warrant a complete investigation and audit.

            With this evidence and the GAO report, the multiple possibilities of election tampering are well-established now. In a sane universe, that should be enough to justify an audit in all Diebolded elections.

        •  Belive it or not, (none)
          me and DHinMI have never gotten into it. He seems to leave it alone if you keep the speculation reasonable and have a sense of humor about it.

          "Just when they think they know the answer, I change the question!" R.Piper

          by McGirk SF on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:48:07 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Let's try to piece together the (4.00)
        a "no-fraud proven" scenario. HAVA (Help America Vote Act)is passed by the Republican congress and signed into law by
        President Bush to allay fears about our voting system and to ensure  "wouldn't have another Florida 2000". O.K. Name one other law passed by the Republican Congress that actually helped the average citizen? It has been suggested that HAVA was supposed to deal with the situation of minority precints not having the same up-to-dateequipment as more affluent white areas. But if Republicans were really concerned with minority voting, why the long-lines, bad machines
        and white poll watchers in Republican controlled Ohio? All the Diebold executives gave money to George Bush. Five developers of Diebold machines have felony records. One served time for writing a trap door in a bank's software. It has just been proved the machines "suck". Karl Rove has not met a line he hasn't crossed. Give me one example of Rove not crossing a line. He bugged his own office for X's sake. Motive, means, but no hardcore evidence.
        It seems all the right people were in the right places and the machines were designed so no trace could be found of tampering.

        "Are you trying to play Darwin to the lemurs in your head?"

  •  My Plan (4.00)
    A class action suit to get our votes back is called for.
  •  Front page this! (4.00)
    Time for Liebold to be melted down for scrap.

    In N.C., despite a ruling that they are in violation of state law by refusing to comply, they were still approved as a vendor.

    Don't ask me how.

    But with all the posts today about Diebold, surely some broadcast outlet will pick it up?

    How 'bout emailing Olberman or Lehrer with your post?

    Political Cortex: Brain Food for the Body Politic

    by btyarbro on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 04:52:35 PM PST

    •  the mainstream media. . . . (4.00)
      does not work for us

      (double entendre intentional)

      Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

      by Einsteinia on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:10:55 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  NC suit (4.00)
      A suit was also filed against the NC Board of Election's certification of Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia. More @ EFF here along with the complaint.

      'You can't begin to imagine how effective the Big Lie is.' N. Mailer 'TNatD'

      by jorndorff on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:16:26 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Keith is warming up to the Diebold story (4.00)
      Tonight Wally O'Dell was runner-up for "Worst Person in the World," with reference to his resignation.  KO only hinted at the real reason for the resignation, however.

      Bill O'Reilly won yet again, of course.  I think it's a requirement that he win it at least once a week.

      I think KO will be waiting for the 2006 election season to begin to heat up before covering the elections beat.  Given the tenor of his coverage in recent months, though, I'd be very surprised if he didn't pick up the story.

      -4.50, -5.85 "To initiate a war of aggression is ... the supreme international crime." ---Nuremberg Tribunal

      by Dallasdoc on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:21:40 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Crow a la mode on the menu soon (4.00)
    The issue is not proving without a doubt that there was fraud. The issue is whether or not the electoral system can be trusted not to be subverted.

    Clearly, now more than ever, the answer is a resounding no.

    Fill in the blank: motive + opportunity = ____

    Torture. Your tax dollars at work.

    by nailmaker on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 04:56:57 PM PST

  •  Anyone in Ohio (4.00)
    ready to file a class action suit before it's too late? What about CA? FL?

    I'm not ready to move for the cause just yet, like living here in Maine where our local balloting process -- run by optical scanner -- works smoothly and leaves a paper trail. Plus, I get to see lots of friends and neighbors there.

    •  Seriously, is there anyone here from Ohio? (4.00)
      Wouldn't it be important to get the findings of this research over to those who can make a difference in Ohio?

      BTW, I thought diaries like this were subjecta non grata around here. Thank God this one wasn't disappeared.

      •  can you explain what you mean? (none)
        Otherwise, I'll have nightmares of government agents attacking the Kos servers to delete diaries that are unflattering of the Bush Administration.

        And I was serious; If there's proof that the damned machines don't work, I'd sure as hell be seeking remedy and a new voting system before the next election.

        •  There was a recent diary about subjects (4.00)
          that kos would not allow to be posted at this site. Specifically, he does not support any that address the possibility that elections were stolen unless the diarist has concrete evidence. Otherwise, he sees such diaries as mere speculation and unhelpful - even damaging - to the overall cause of this site: getting Democrats elected.

          If anyone else has a link to the diary to which I am referring, please post it.

          •  why that little dictator (none)
            who so graciously let's us rant on. Yet it's his ball, so we play by his rules.

            And I suspect he's a lot looser about his rules then I would be.

            I think the difference here is not the diary saying the election was stolen, it's saying the at least one FL County has decided there's the chance an future election could get stolen.

            •  Pssst! (4.00)
                ( I heard that there have been some server cost and bandwidth issues here lately and that there are too many people commenting and that 'they' missed a few tinfoilers last time and this diary is a Big Stinky Flytrap where all the commenters get banned. You know, catch'em in one spot and then then pfftttthbhbhh with the bug spray. I heard that, I'm just saying...don't say I didn't warn ya...
              me, I made my t.f.hat into a diaper so they wouldn't see it...better protection too.... also diebold was thinking of taking out some ad space here...the stuff I hear....)

              Neocon plan for Iraq : Chaos and Corruption.

              by KenBee on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:13:23 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

          •  it wasn't the subject per se... (4.00)
            ...it was the hyperbolic title, claiming that the GAO report on Ohio's electoral mess proved that the election was stolen.  

            Armando stepped into it and, if memory serves, had it pulled.  His point was that the misleading title (which the diarist never changed) gave us a tinfoil black eye (I disputed that, but see his point), and that it caused lots of unproductive ranting in both directions, fissures in our group all over the place.  I agree with that completely.  Let's keep it straightforward.  We have so much shit on these bastards that we don't have to exaggerate even a smidgen.

            Jorge's a renegade; there's blood on his hands, oil in his arteries and cyanide inside his glands...

            by nailbender on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 04:04:28 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  Kafka-esque times (4.00)
            call for Kafka-esque theories.  This isn't politics as usual. If someone had a "master-plan"
            to escpae from this Kafka-esque situation we all find ourselves in I would "stick with it" and not
            do anything "to hinder Democrats getting elected.

            Until there is a master-plan and good explanation of what's happening now, no one should critisize
            the actions or theories of others. We should keep probing the weaknesses of the enemy until we find a combination of things that work. This I believe
            is what Lincoln meant when he said "My plan is to have no plan."

            "Are you trying to play Drawin to the lemurs in your head?"

      •  Seriously is right ... 90 thousand stinking votes (4.00)
        in Ohio threw 2004 to Bush. Thanks to Diebold + Corrupt Republicans in Ohio. Blackwell heading the list of the latter.

        Now this.

        I'd bet my last dollar that the ballot definitions were tampered with in Ohio in certain fraud friendly counties.

        Let's say the "preponderance of the evidence" regarding Ohio election fraud is at its tipping point -- especially with O'Dell resigning. Depositions in any case against O'Dell could be quite revealing when the prosecutors start sniffing around.

        Somebody throw them all an anvil!

        Oh, did I mention those wacky, way-off-the-mark exit polls?

    •  Is that paper trail ever counted? (4.00)
      Yes, we had the "paper trail" here in MD with "smooth" functioning optical scan machines.  But this diary is all about cheating with OPTICAL SCAN machines- the memory card was hacked in advance.  So the election looks just fine.

      This may very well explain the thousands of votes that were floating around in the "optical scan" counties in Florida.  Many of those REpug folks did not even bother to recount their ballots- they just resubmitted their totals to K. Harris.  Why?  The law doesn't apply to Repugs, and they had the totals they wanted.

      Were the optical scan machines scammed in Florida in 2000?   Did Bush lie about WMDs in Iraq?  Is Rove crooked enough to scam elections?  Did Libby write about a bear and a child?

    •  That's why Ohio (4.00)
      is trying to make it illegal to challenge presidential vote counts, and the White House is telling the Justice Dept. not to look into any Voting Rights Act cases.

      The right wing is trying to steal all of the elections in the forseeable future because they know that we, the people, will not continue to allow them to remain in power while they continue to screw us at every turn.

      In my county, like yours, we use optical scanners.  Just remember that they use the same GEMS tabuators to count and record the results from those optical scan sheets that they use with the electronic touch-screen machines.

      If states like Ohio, and other states where they are trying to jam equally repulsive legislation into being, have their way, once the GEMS tabulator spits out its results there will be no way to challenge the results.

      Democracy at its finest.

      "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -Plato

      by Bcre8ve on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:29:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Bruce Willis will star in the Movie (4.00)
    Die Bold II

    Treason's Greetings from Karl Rove and Scooter Libby: Merry Fitzmas and Happy New Smear

    by seesdifferent on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:04:15 PM PST

  •  So wait... (4.00)
    What is the "zero report" thing again?  You mean to tell me that the video card had +/- stuff "preloaded", that is to say that "Whatever votes come, change them by this amount!"??????

    So, if the votes were Yes=6, No=2, and the memory card had a Yes=-5 preload, this was the result????

    This is amazing!

    This could explain the consistent errors...and that -4,000 jobby.  And the Diebold CEO just quit...I've got my eyes peeled on this one!

    Pro-Gun, Pro-Chair, Pro-War, PRO-LIFE?!

    by ZaBlanc on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:08:14 PM PST

  •  Leon County (4.00)
    As I recall, Leon County had a very low percentage of "spoiled ballots" in the 2000 election.  It was far better than the other counties, such as Palm Beach.  The elections supervisor in Leon County had much experience and a genuine concern for voting to be fair and accessible to the people.
    •  Ion Sancho is a hero (4.00)
      He has stood up again and again to the Republican disenfranching tactics in Florida.
      For example:  he refused to use the flawed voter purge lists - twice I believe - though other election supervisors did use them.
  •  so.... (4.00)
    when does al gore get sworn in?

    you can rearrange my face but you can't rearrange my mind -8.63,-7.28

    by mediaprisoner on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:08:35 PM PST

    •  Hey, now you're talking about my favorite (4.00)
      fantasy! Dear God, if anyone can make some progress turning this horrific mess around, it would have to be Gore.

      "The election's over. We won. It's all over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting." Rep. Peter King (R-NY) at WH function, 2003

      by kathika on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:11:40 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  These were not used int he 2000 election (none)

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:16:49 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Mea culpa (4.00)
        I thought this was about the AccuVote-TS (i.e. touchscreen) systems, not the AccuVote-OS (optical scan) systems. The AccuVote-OS was used in 2000.

        cheers,

        Mitch Gore

        Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

        by Lestatdelc on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:43:47 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Hmmm, perhaps you're right I dunno BUT (4.00)
        DT Technologies (later became ChoicePoint) were the culprits in their cyber-Jim Crow scheme to erroneously purge 150,000+ on the pretense that they were felons--just because they all shared the same surname.  Given the commonality of surnames, that's good way to knock our Thomas Jefferson with George Jefferson and his 12,000 cousins.  Now if we could just share bank accounts with the same scheme.  My real last name might get me some very big bucks.

        New Fraud Frontiers:  The Help America Vote Act mandates that each state create a centralized voter registration system, which will confer unprecedented voter roll purge capabilities to ALL 50 states.  The recent Diebold whistleblower interview in RawStory warns of this new capability being exploited in new unforeseen and megalicious ways.

        Personally, I think the current administration simply cannot afford to lose power lest they get fitted with the spring line of Florida orange jumpsuits.

        Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

        by Einsteinia on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:53:03 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  YES!!! (4.00)
    First they ignore you...
    Then they laugh at you...
    Next they fight you...

    and then you FUCKING WIN!!!

    (-8.88/-7.64): I drink from the keg of glory, Donna. Bring me the finest muffins and bagels in all the land!

    by Joshua Lyman on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:09:48 PM PST

  •  Email every media you can think of (4.00)
    about this test that was done and Leon County's response! If Olbermann doesn't pick up this one, I will wonder why. Last night he allowed WAY too much air time for Brian Williams's interview with Chimperor. I'll give him credit for saying afterwards that Bush doesn't read and is known to be living in a "bubble." But this should be picked up by CNN, etc!

    "The election's over. We won. It's all over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting." Rep. Peter King (R-NY) at WH function, 2003

    by kathika on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:10:25 PM PST

    •  GREAT IDEA. Here's a good (4.00)

      Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

      by Einsteinia on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:27:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  could you cross post this at (4.00)
        booman  tribune. This needs to get our everywhere. Thanks again E.

        *This site is slower than Bush's reaction on 9/11.*

        by Chamonix on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:30:37 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Hi Chamonix! I'm not logged on there YET (none)
          I've heard fabulous things about it.

          Please feel free to post it there--it's not really my story--it's BBV's story.  I'm merely a messenger by a long time concerned citizen about the hijacking of our democracy.

          Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

          by Einsteinia on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:41:55 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  E...you have got to sign up over there... (4.00)
            smaller place..you will get to know the crowd..Amazing people..great community. Please consider signing up and giving it a shot. SusanHu is a front pager and Booman is the owner..they get a lot of National attention. Especially with the Plame/Rove thing. I hope you sign up so you can cross post when you have breaking stuff like this. I let them know about your diary and linked it over there. When things calm down let me know how you are doing up North. Glad to see you are doing your part to help change our country. I know the Voting thing is your number one priority. Good for you for the attention you are getting with this diary. I will never forget you getting those documents over to Boxer during the last Pres election. I think you did it on your bike..YOU ROCK. Sending lots of good wishes your way E.

            *This site is slower than Bush's reaction on 9/11.*

            by Chamonix on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 11:49:41 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  Really, you should post (none)
            it at Booman if you get your logon.

            He was one of the people [along with me] who kept arguing that fixing the elections thru the voting machines wouldn't be difficult at all.

            We got so much grief over our comments.....brings back so many bad memories......  

            Bush's presidency is now inextricably yoked to the policies of aggression and subjugation. Mike Whitney

            by dfarrah on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 10:54:30 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  Thanks for the link! n/t (4.00)

        "The election's over. We won. It's all over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting." Rep. Peter King (R-NY) at WH function, 2003

        by kathika on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:36:03 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Nice work E... (4.00)
        ...us old Fraudsters are harder to get rid of than roaches.

        "Wonderful things can happen ... when you plant the seeds of distrust in a garden of Assholes" -- Elmore Leonard

        by Blue Shark on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:39:15 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  It's all greek to me (4.00)
          but you old fraudsters made my birthday!!  wOOt
        •  Thanks to you, too, Shark---Think about (4.00)
          how we were all treated just six month ago versus now.

          After Abu Ghraib, secret prisons overseas, PlameGate, Abramoff, the mad hatter rumblings, and obliterating New Orleans this stuff isn't such a leap of credibility at all--it's almost yawnable.

          Bottomline:  The proverbial jig is up.

          However, with that said, I haven't yet heard what happened in Ohio today.  Did they go through with their plans to make it illegal to examine the voting equipment and to make it illegal to audit presidential elections.  They are getting rather desperate now.

          Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

          by Einsteinia on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:38:19 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Olbermann (none)
      just had Wally O'Dell on his worst in the world list.

      "Free nations listen to the hopes and aspirations of their people. Free nations are peaceful nations." George Dubya Dumbass, Nov 30, 2005

      by paraphrase on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:56:55 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Isn't this a potential terrorist threat? (4.00)
    Think about it, if neo-con geeks can hack the system, what's to stop socialist, liberal progressive geeks from doing the same? What's to stop those sneaky democracy-hating Black Box geeks from throwing the next election to the Democrats? And who says Osama Bin Laden and the Islamic Jihad don't have hackers working for them? At some point it's got to occur to the GOP that if they've got a voting system that can be hacked, ultimately they're going to have trouble controling it. No? Shouldn't Homeland Security be on high alert about this?
    •  The Diebold company technicians (4.00)
      operate and "repair" the machines in the counties. It might still be difficult for anyone else to get access to the machines.

      "The election's over. We won. It's all over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting." Rep. Peter King (R-NY) at WH function, 2003

      by kathika on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:15:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Well, this calls for an oldie... (4.00)
    ...but goodie.  Of course, I'm biased.

    Diebold Emergency Call Center

    My sketch blog - where I'm learning to draw.

    by Matt Jordan on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:12:22 PM PST

  •  Most excellent! (4.00)
    the scam being brought to light! It makes my heart go pitter pat!

    Criminal that the elections were rigged, but we all knew that.

    Exciting news. Hope this makes the MSN.

    inspire change...don't back down

    by missliberties on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:15:36 PM PST

    •  We need to fight harder (4.00)
      Keep making our voices heard, work on the 2006/08 elections. You cannot rig a landslide.

      "What does the Lord require of you but to do justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God?"-- Micah 6:8

      by Mad Mom on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:31:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Do we get our money back?? (4.00)

    How long before Bushco files for bankruptcy?

    by mattes on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:16:22 PM PST

  •  Is this anectdotal? who's the source? (3.75)
    All I see is a poster named Jim March writing this on a blog at blackblockvoting.org.  

    What source is he basing his info on? Can we get cross-confirmation that this story is accurate?

    Believe me, I hope Diebold is exposed and gets their just desserts but I still like to know the sources for these kind of posts.

    •  Just found a primary source on this (4.00)
      Here's a special report, issued today, by Supervisor Sancho.  Here are the relevant conclusions:

      What conclusions can be drawn from this exercise? First, the optical scan voting system was resistant to external penetration, [snip]

      Secondly, the potential for internal sabotage does exist. [snip]

      Based upon the data developed out of this exercise it is the opinion of the Leon County Supervisor of Elections that any effort to limit or remove the manual examination of paper ballots to confirm the correctness of election results is not in the public interest.

      So I guess officially, Supervisor Sancho will not eliminate paper ballots in his county.  The assurance that he would not be using Diebold was probably made off of the record.  But this is a pretty strong condemnation of Diebold.

      •  This was/is a paper ballot system (4.00)
        that was "hacked". It is an optical scan ballot counting machine that was "hacked" with the pre-loaded memory card, so I don't think in Leon County this was about removing paper ballots.

        cheers,

        Mitch Gore

        Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

        by Lestatdelc on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:51:26 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  You're right, this was not about (none)
          "eliminating paper ballots" as I said upthread.  Sancho's special report was about not eliminating manual examination of paper ballots because of the internal security flaws.  Still really, really damning.
  •  Where can I get one of those cards? (4.00)
    I mena, I'm sure I'm far better informed than the other people voting at my precinct, so it's betetr that I just determine the vote totals so that my slate wins.
  •  Great work Einsteinia (4.00)
    Glad you wrote this up and it's recommended. How are things up in SF? DFA? Keep kicking ass. We will take the criminals down..every last fucking one of them. Does anyone know if PA used Diebold? I think Kerry only won the State by about 8 thou votes. Just curious. We must Stop Diebold Now. If true, the Dems should shut down DC ASAP and let the American people know why they have done so. If this is the only way to get peoples attention so they can see what the Repub have been up to with our voting machines..I say Shut DC Down Now.

    *This site is slower than Bush's reaction on 9/11.*

    by Chamonix on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:22:54 PM PST

  •  The More We Hear About Diebold.... (4.00)
    the more it seems like their so-called machine could be scooped by a 3rd graders pencil box with a slit cut in the top.

    Meaning...this machine is a bigger lie than WMD. It's a FAUX computer that dosent even hide it's vulnerability

    Diebold is the one company here in Ohio that we would love to see go out of business...I'd personally help all their employee's search for new jobs. And I'd have plenty of help.

    Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. Author: Groucho Marx

    by JellyPuddin on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:27:27 PM PST

    •  You can put sealing wax on a pencil box (4.00)
      Actually, using good old fashioned sealing wax and a seal/signet, a pencil or cigar box with a slit in the top would be more secure than a Diebold machine.  You can tell if sealing wax has been messed with.
  •  Ion Sancho is God (4.00)
    florida isn't 100% idiots and hacks - our own ion sancho, who's an elected county elections supervisor, has a strong record of calling fraud when he sees it.

    the hacks are the secretaries of state - that's a state-wide, cabinet-level position that katherine harris was in when she helped the bush boys rig the election. to leave nothing to chance, the republicans made it an appointed position after the 2000 election.

    back in 2000, ion sancho sh*tcanned the state-supplied (i.e., straight from katherine harris) list of "felons" when a cursory check proved it to be the rigged piece of garbage that it was. ion's been politically incorrect ever since - that is, he takes his job of providing accurate elections results seriously.

    ion was the official that let blackbox and others concerned about the integrity of the diebold machines have a try at hacking them in may of this year, and the rest is history. the diebold machines weren't ion's idea - that was imposed upon him by the post-2000 election "reform" jeb bush pushed through. frorida's been trying to rig the procedure and concentrate authority over elections procedures in the office of the secretary of state, stripping it from the county elections supervisors.

    when i vote, i always vote absentee, on a paper ballot. even then, my vote is run through the diebold optical scanners - there's no way around it.  i wouldn't trust diebold with my used kitty litter, much less my vote.

  •  makes you wonder (4.00)
    what's going on in all their ATMs...
  •  Einstinia is recommendeed.... (4.00)
    ...Georgia10 is a Front-Pager...

    ...And Election Fraud News is everywhere

    ...Thank-you Santa...Now if you could just deliver Rove to the Grand Jury my Christmas is complete!

    "Wonderful things can happen ... when you plant the seeds of distrust in a garden of Assholes" -- Elmore Leonard

    by Blue Shark on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:34:15 PM PST

  •  At last. (4.00)
    Conclusive evidence of massive election fraud.

    "I am not a crook" - The Honorable Richard M. Nixon

    by tricky dick on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:35:42 PM PST

    •  Ah... no (4.00)
      Conclusive proof that the elections are hackable and the results suspect.

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:48:48 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Come on, dude. (3.25)
        I'm just trying to have some fun. It's the holiday season and all that.

        Yeah, the machines are vulnerable, the GOP cheats and Diebold is suspect.

        However, this does not change he fact that Kerry is a little bitch who got his ass kicked by the worst president in the modern era.

        I'm actually glad Kerry lost. If he'd won, he'd be doing to our party what Bush is now doing to his. It's not like he would get us out of Iraq.

        He voted for it before he voted against it.

        "I am not a crook" - The Honorable Richard M. Nixon

        by tricky dick on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:03:41 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  I was informed...... (4.00)
    by a friend of mine the other day that in OHIO an absentee ballot is not counted ever unless there is a tie result or recount.

    I'll investigate this as DKOS has taught me...but does anyone else know if this is reality? That an absentee ballot is never counted except if needed to confirm an election result?

    Let me know...

    because I too was considering an absentee ballot from now on but after hearing that it could be counter-productive AND my vote would never be counted.

    Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. Author: Groucho Marx

    by JellyPuddin on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:37:47 PM PST

    •  Dunno (4.00)
      Most elections offices do count absentee ballots for the final official results, though their unofficial results may not include them if the difference in the race is outside the number of absentee ballots. Here in Oregon we have vote-by-mail so in essence all our ballots are "absentee" and we have early voting where you can vote (on average) up to 2 weeks before the election night close-off time. This allows us to actually read up on candidates, ballot measures, etc. before casting our votes.

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:47:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I preach this wherever I can. (none)
        We have to find a way to export this system.  Is it perfect?  Nope.  Is it absolutely the best thing our there?  Ayup.

        George W. Bush deserves a fair trial.

        by CJB on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 08:18:03 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  How does vote-by-mail or early voting (none)
        "allow us to actually read up on candidates, ballot measures, etc"? I wouldn't think that would affect it one way or the other--people either read up on that stuff or not.

        I do not vote by absentee ballot, but I heard from some people here (Pinellas County, FL) who voted absentee last time that the return envelopes had party registration marked on the outside--so when they were received at the SOE's office, they could decide which ones to count.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 08:54:11 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Houston We Have A Problem!!! (4.00)
      The last battleground in the 2004 presidential election was no real surprise: Ohio.  Even as Democratic candidate John Kerry conceded the election, vote counters in Ohio were still struggling to come up with an accurate tally of the state's presidential contest.  

      The state's 20 electoral votes proved to be the golden spike in Bush's effort to regain the White House, pushing him over the required 270.

      But the outcome in Ohio remained uncertain through Wednesday morning.  With 100 percent of Ohio's precincts reporting, a split of about 136,000 votes separated the incumbent from Kerry -- fewer than the estimated 175,000 provisional ballots issued by state poll workers.  With the swing state's vote so close, Democrats had vowed to fight for an accurate count.  

      Now this statement was curious..

      Punch cards were also a potential point of contest in Ohio, given Ohio laws that allow a vote to be counted if two of the four corners of a chad -- the bits of paper punched out by voters -- remain attached. While some Ohio counties moved to more reliable electronic systems, some 3.6 million votes may have been filed on punch cards, making them vulnerable to challenges.

      While some counties moved to DIEBOLD!

      Houston! We Have A Problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. Author: Groucho Marx

      by JellyPuddin on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:52:17 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Edwards was against conceeding. (none)
        In fact he was very vehiment about it according to reports. Just before Kerry conceeded he had announced that we will count every vote. That makes me wonder about Kerry, his being married to a mutimillionaire and also a member of skull & bones.
    •  absentee ballots are counted (4.00)
      It is the provisional ballots that are not counted unless the race is close. This is something that should worry us all as they are making so many people fill out provisional ballots and most of the time they are Dem voters. Stop the insanity. Our country has been highjacked.

      *This site is slower than Bush's reaction on 9/11.*

      by Chamonix on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:01:13 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  ...That's even worse! (4.00)
        So..with that said the early voters as in Florida and Oregon and absentee in Ohio (you need no reason to submit an absentee ballot just do it thats all)....do get counted into the final vote count.

        Yet...the Provisional Ballots...hhhmmmm...are not counted unless it's needed to do so to have a winning outcome.....interesting???????

        Ohio had 175,000 provisionals...90% were good per Blackwell. The difference reported days later was only 108,000...

        So...157000 provisonals...which are reported to be mostly democratic votes by most people.

        What the f**k!

        No matter how I try...I cannot make Ohio add up to a solid win for Bush...there are questions at every juncture.

        Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. Author: Groucho Marx

        by JellyPuddin on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:11:48 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  All I know is if a voters name is not (4.00)
          on the list...it is provisional all the way. If the voter is at the wrong place they can offer them a provisional ballot or they can drive around and try to find their polling place. This past special election in CA, they changed a lot of the polling places. I went to the wrong place...no one was there, so I went back home looked up on the computer where to go and finally found it. Tricky Arnold Bastard. If they don't have proper ID...provisional. Provisional ballots sit there unless they are needed. In my state absentee ballots are counted first. I can't imagine a State not counting an absentee ballot ever. That would be nuts.

          *This site is slower than Bush's reaction on 9/11.*

          by Chamonix on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:43:44 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Might differ state by state (4.00)
            Go to your state government website.

            Search for the state election law and board of elections.

            Read it, and you should find the answer to this question.

            It's state law, not federal, that governs most election procedures, and laws differ from state to state.

            Equipment and procedures can differ from county to county as well.

    •  Not sure that is the case... (4.00)
      since at least 2003, the republican party has been spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on mailing materials encouraging absentee voting.

      Mailed literature includes absentee voter applications and simplified instructions on how to submit them.

      We have no future because our present is too volatile. We only have risk management. The spinning of the given moments scenario. Pattern Recognition. ~W. Gibson

      by Silent Lurker on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:09:34 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  And what is the state (none)
        where on the outside of the absentee ballot envelope you mark whether it's Democratic or Replubican?
        •  not sure what you're talking about... (none)
          but the ones I've done are just fold over and tape twice at the top.

          You can just peek inside without undoing the tape.

          We have no future because our present is too volatile. We only have risk management. The spinning of the given moments scenario. Pattern Recognition. ~W. Gibson

          by Silent Lurker on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 08:37:35 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  You don't mark it, (none)
          I think it's printed on the envelope. That's what I heard, but I didn't vote absentee so it's not first hand.

          "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

          by Alice in Florida on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 08:56:17 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Die, Diebold, Die! n/t (none)

    Against silence, which is slavery. --Czeslaw Milosz

    by Caneel on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:39:02 PM PST

  •  Wouldn't it be great... (4.00)
    if faith based voting was eradicated?

    ...and they passed in thought out to regions where pain and delight flow together and tears are the very wine of blessedness.

    by rlharry on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 05:50:15 PM PST

  •  Question (4.00)
    Here's what I'm not clear on. Do they automatically count the paper votes? I mean, if the votes were done on machine but there are back-up receipts or however it works. People take their receipts home? Or what.

    The real question I'm getting at is, if there are paper backups in some form, will they get counted automatically or only if the race is close, or the candidate smells a rat?

    If they get automatically counted to confirm totals, that seems okay. But if they only get counted when something is close or suspicious, then aren't we f??ked?  Because it places the burden on the politician to demand the recount, and we know how brave our dems are and how seriously they seem to be taking this whole issue.
    ?

    •  The critical point (4.00)
      Paper ballots can be recounted, audited, physically checked and verified.

      Evotes (as they are done in America) can not.

      There is no paper trail. Nothing to audit or recount.

      All the machine gives you is a total.

      There is ample evidence that these machines are easily hacked, the data easily corrupted or overwritten, and no way to detect it.

      Diebold considers its software "proprietary" so they refuse to allow even the CODE to be checked by the FEC or outside groups.

      Would you put your cash in an ATM that provided no receipt or statement or audit trail?

      I doubt it.

      Our votes are more valuable than money, yet they are given less security than your neighborhood ATM.

    •  paper receipts for evotes (4.00)
      They used them in Venezuela and when the neoright challenged Chavez' victory (claimed evote fraud) the international observers that were monitoring the election recounted the results using the paper receipts (which were deposited in a box after voters verified that what was on the receipt was what they voted on the machine).

      No fraud was detected.

      All we have been asking for from the begining is VERIFIABLE voting. The method used in Venezuela worked. Yet it is exactly the method that our govt does not want us to use with evoting.

      They do not want an audit trail or a paper trail that can be used in a recount.

      That is the fundamental problem.

  •  Awesome... (none)
    ...and brad blog is totally awesome.  BUT.  they need to lose the green and yellow, and the irritating cop car flasher.  Get a clue, fellas.  

    If your "exit strategy" is to train the police, then you went in there to establish a police state, not democracy.

    by mythmother on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:35:13 PM PST

  •  Mind Blowing Thought (4.00)
    Wouldn't it be amazing if someone at Diebold had the actual memory cards from the 2004 election and not the doctored ones? Wouldn't it blow your mind if he/she came forward and presented them for a recount and Kerry/Edwards turned out to be the actual winners? Okay,say that happened, then what?
    •  I take my clothes off (4.00)
      and crack a bomber of my favorite IPA.

      ... we now know a lot of things, most of which, we already knew... (-dash888)

      by Tirge Caps on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:44:38 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  then what?............. (4.00)
      Bushco would get the Supreme Court to shut it down like 2000...thats what!

      He'd be 2 for 2!

      He loves to win...even it's its not really winning!

      Just look at Iraq......

      (on a side note...my daughter called me today from Iraq...she's good and say's she's safe and well protected for now...many of you have emailed and asked)...she also said to say Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of her liberal friends)

      Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. Author: Groucho Marx

      by JellyPuddin on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:49:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  It's time to start pronouncing it (4.00)
    dye-bold.

    die Diebold, die.


    He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot - Groucho Marx

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:44:54 PM PST

    •  Marx was...... (4.00)
      full of great quotes.....

      Many are too hilarious to read twice...they hurt my belly just to read them.

      DIEBOLD IS GOIN DOWN....

      and we don't need their ATM's either. It would be nice to walk back into a bank again wouldn't it?

      Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. Author: Groucho Marx

      by JellyPuddin on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:52:42 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  We need to document ... (4.00)

    Which specific Counties in what States throughout the United States are still using DIEBOLD voting equipment?

    We need to document this.

    Didn't Ohio select Diebold as it's voting machines?

    The results of this test should be broadcast throughout the media and also sent to the official in all of these Counties and force them to reject this clearly rigged & untrustworthy privatization of our right to vote.

  •  YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (4.00)
    Maybe there is a God after all!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is an historic day...the day we really started to turn the tide against the machines.

    Bravo to Bev Harris, Harri Hursti, and everyone involved in this battle.

    John

    -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

    by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 06:59:46 PM PST

  •  N.P.R. (4.00)
    has ben open to & doing stories on vote fraud as of late ( no r.w. spies }  HIT THEM UP !   & also democracy now on link t.v. ,  raw story , huffington post , this will drive it to the m.$.m.'s doorstep  .
  •  Question for Congress (4.00)
    Why does Congress hate our democracy???

    No one in Congress gets a pass if they fail to protect our right to vote and have our vote count, and be verifiable.

    This is THE issue in all future political races.

    This is THE political issue that trumps all others until resolved.

    Who cares what party or who you vote for if, at the end of the day, an unverifable machine eats your vote?

  •  IOKIYARVM (none)
    ...Republican Voting Machine.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:04:13 PM PST

  •  Let me be the first to say (4.00)
    Nah nah nah nah
    Nah nah nah nah
    Hey hey hey
    Goodbye!

    1 county down, a shitload to go, but still, it's progress.

  •  Tired and disgusted. (4.00)
    I can't work up even a feeling of grim satisfaction.  I feel a little sick to my stomach, actually.  I have lost faith in my country, my government and my fellow citizens.  I can't even work up to a good expletive.  I hope they go down, but I don't think they will.  There's been so much corruption, so much greed, so many lies.  Lie after lie on top of lie.  Who are these people?  Where do they come from?  Will we ever run out of them?  I believed what they taught me in social studies about the Land of the Free.  Obviously, I'm just a gullable fool.

    If not for the cat,
    And the scarcity of cheese
    I could be content.
    --Jack Prelutsky

    by Reepicheep on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:13:01 PM PST

  •  Just curious (4.00)
    Has anyone from Leon County commented or confirmed this yet?

    I didn't see anything in a Google news search.

    "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by sgilman on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:19:53 PM PST

  •  GOP slipping in DuPage (4.00)
    An low and behold the county, controlled completely by Republicans, is talking about doing away with our optical voting machines that have a well defined paper trail and going with Diebolt's touch screens with no trail.
  •  Can we please (4.00)
    make it a priority in this democracy to make SURE that the people who are  sent into office are the ones that were ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE? Is that so dang much to ask? Whether anyone can prove any shenannigans regarding Diebold or any other machine, it seems to me that EVERYONE in this country should agree that public faith in our electoral system is at least as important as faith in our judiciary. Why the FUCK can't we put in place systems that are objectively, transparently verifiable? Is that too much to ask?

    Let's go back to E Pluribus Unum

    by hazzcon on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 07:34:46 PM PST

  •  Federal Voting Changes? (4.00)
    Better Voting

    Not sure what this is.... but it opens up the possibility of discussion.

    inspire change...don't back down

    by missliberties on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 08:14:22 PM PST

  •  Wow 991 entries on the poll! (none)
    Isn't that a lot?

    Have many diaries hit the 1000 mark?

    Obviously I didn't write this for that purpose, but now having been part of Kos for awhile I'm finding it intriguing that this story, which had been such an black sheep issue around here has gone through the roof.

    Very nice, indeed.  Phew!  People seem to finally get what's at stake and how to stop it.

    Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

    by Einsteinia on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 09:16:53 PM PST

  •  To quote MLK Jr. .. "I have a dream" (none)
    that all machines have paper trails and are beyond reproach ..

    that all the intimidation was stopped at the polls ..  

    that all minority and poor voters - all voters - have the same number of voting machines and personnel in their districts and the opportunity to vote

    that ex-felons who have served their sentences and their 'debt to society' are allowed to vote

    that all Americans, white, red, yellow, and black, rich, middle class and poor - all appreciate the power their vote and what it means - and that all Americans be given the time and materials to understand how their vote will impact their lives

    oh, I have a dream ..

    thanks for letting me know that dream is a little tiny bit closer today

    "Symplerovus vulgaris americanus" - nasty unindicted co-conspirator. -7.63, -9.59

    by shpilk on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 10:32:48 PM PST

  •  Good news from Wisconsin (none)
    Last week the State Senate unanimously approved Assembly Bill 627, mandating a paper trail, that only the paper ballots, hand counted, be used in recounts, and that all source code for any component of a voting system be placed in escrow with the State, available for audit by any party to a recount. The measure had previously cleared the Assembly in a 91-4 vote, and is expected to be signed by Governor Doyle any day.

    A similar measure, but without the software escrow, had passed the Assembly a year ago, but the Senate never took action. Following discussion here on kos of draft Georgia legislation, Roxannej sent me their text, I passed it to my Assembly Rep, Marc Pocan, who incorporated it in the bill we've now passed.

    Holding the champagne until Gov Doyle signs, but it's time to put it on ice.

    A Senator YOU can afford
    $1 contributions only.
    Masel for Senate
    1214 E. Mifflin St.
    Madison, WI 53703

    by ben masel on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 03:48:35 AM PST

  •  Great news from Wisconsin (none)
    A unanimous State Senate  has concurred in Assembly Bill 627, mandating paper trail, paper ballots only to be used in recounts, and escrowed source code, to be made available, with a non-disclosure agreement, to any party to a recount.

    Governor Doyle is expected to sign the legislation any day. The bubbly's on ice.

    Last year the Assembly passed similar legislation, without the source code requirement, but the Senate failed to act. I forwarded model source code legislation from dkos user roxannej to the sponsor, my Assembly Rep Marc Pocan, who incorporated it into the current bill.

    A Senator YOU can afford
    $1 contributions only.
    Masel for Senate
    1214 E. Mifflin St.
    Madison, WI 53703

    by ben masel on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 04:05:40 AM PST

  •  I wrote a poem about a Diebold repairman (none)
    on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, when I saw a Diebold van on the way to grab my brother from college. Check it out here if you want, it's reusable under the Creative Commons license. I grabbed a lot of attention when I read it at a creative writing session, as many people had no idea that any of this was happening.

    It frustrates me enough that there was some weird stuff going on during the 2004 election.. to find that Wally wasn't happy enough being in charge of democracy destruction, and decided to "allegedly" commit fraud, makes my blood boil.

    I haven't slept tonight, finals week. I hope everyone's day goes well.

  •  Greetings from Tallahassee (none)
    Ion Sancho is our supervisor of elections.  A tip of the hat to this great man.  I've known and worked with him for years.  I've seen him at all sorts of places getting people registered to vote.  Notably a medicinal MJ rally.  
     I've also seen him on FSTV on Democracy Now talking about election fraud BEFORE the Nov. 2004
    election.  
     Another side note.  Leon county was light blue
    as usual.  
      I hope this starts the ball rolling for national
    honesty in elections.  Think the press will send
    up a flair?
  •  1 down... (none)
    3140 to go.

    Minus the ones who don't use Diebold in the first place, but regardless - let this be a reminder that one county is a tiny battle won.

    http://higherfrequency.blogspot.com

    by Bensch on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 09:11:09 AM PST

  •  not allowing felons to vote (none)
    is a seperate, but related issue that needs to be fought all the way to the Supreme Court. It is as if the country found a way to replace the old literacy and poll tax laws in denying people of color the right to vote.

    "Our criminal laws, while facially neutral, are enforced in a manner that is massively and pervasively biased. The injustices of the criminal justice system threaten to render irrelevant fifty years of hard-fought civil rights progress."

    Source: Welch, Ronald H. and Angulo, Carlos T., Justice On Trial: Racial Disparities in the American Criminal Justice System (Washington, DC: Leadership Conference on Civil Rights / Leadership Conference Education Fund, May 2000), p. v.

    "When total incarceration rates are estimated separately by age group, black males in their twenties and thirties are found to have high rates relative to other groups. Among the more than 2.1 million offenders incarcerated on June 30, 2004, an estimated 576,600 were black males between ages 20 and 39 (table 13).
    "Among males age 25 to 29, 12.6% of blacks were in prison or jail, compared to 3.6% of Hispanics and about 1.7% of whites (table 14).
    "Although incarceration rates drop with age, the percentage of black males age 45 to 54 in prison or jail in 2004 was an estimated 4.5% -- more than twice the highest rate (1.7%) among white males (age 30 to 34)."" http://www.drugwarfacts.org/...

    SOCIAL SECURITY: Invented by Democrats yesterday, Protected by Democrats today

    by mollyd on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 09:24:15 AM PST

    •  more on disenfrancisement (none)

      "1.46 million black men out of a total voting population of 10.4 million have lost their right to vote due to felony convictions.

      Source: Thomas, P., "Study Suggests Black Male Prison Rate Impinges on Political Process," The Washington Post (January 30, 1997), p. A3.

      "Thirteen percent of all adult black men -- 1.4 million -- are disenfranchised, representing one-third of the total disenfranchised population and reflecting a rate of disenfranchisement that is seven times the national average. Election voting statistics offer an approximation of the political importance of black disenfranchisement: 1.4 million black men are disenfranchised compared to 4.6 million black men who voted in 1996."" http://www.drugwarfacts.org/...

      SOCIAL SECURITY: Invented by Democrats yesterday, Protected by Democrats today

      by mollyd on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 09:27:46 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  HAVA (none)
    Better known as the Help America Vote Act. If you're reading this diary, you should become familiar with this provision of the HAVA:

    (3) Accessibility for individuals with disabilities.--The voting system shall--
      (A) be accessible for individuals with disabilities, including nonvisual accessibility for the blind and visually impaired, in a manner that provides the same opportunity for access and participation (including privacy and independence) as for other voters;
      (B) satisfy the requirement of subparagraph (A) through the use of at least one direct recording electronic voting system or other voting system equipped for individuals with disabilities at each polling place; and
      (C) if purchased with funds made available under title II on or after January 1, 2007, meet the voting system standards for disability access (as outlined in this paragraph).

    States are trying to come into compliance for the 2006 elections. The "privacy and independence" provision and the requirement to have a DRE or equivalent at each "polling place" may eliminate the use of hand-marked paper ballots. "Same opportunity" reads to me as every one has to vote with the same equipment.

    You can read the entire HAVA here.

    Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why we win. -Syriana

    by CarbonFiberBoy on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 09:46:01 AM PST

  •  o'dell (none)
    Walden O'Dell and Thomas Swidarski should not merely be sued. The crime of robbing me of my Democracy ( and all of you of yours ) is treason of the worst kind. These people need to be made example of. Their crimes are so much worse than Tookie's...bankruptcy and prison may not be sending the right message. I am so sick of this entire Republican crime syndicate and their hijacking of America.
  •  Don't count your chickens... (none)
    The big boys at Diebold have lots of clout.  Let's see what happens next.  Maybe Sanchez will get overruled somehow or suddenly retire.  
  •  Look for the announcement... (none)
    ...that Leon County supervisor of elections Ion Sancho is the target of a criminal nvestigation.  We should see that within the next couple of months...

    "...the big trouble with dumb bastards is that they are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart." -- Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

    by Roddy McCorley on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 11:33:37 AM PST

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