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Meditations on a populist message

Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 11:05:30 PM PDT

After reading [bhurt's diary http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/23/134320/464]and the ensuing threads debating liberal "elitism" and exactly how angry we can be at people like "Roy" who is detailed there (he's the plumbing guy at Home Depot, or the mechanic who fixes cars that cost more than he makes in a year), I've come to something of a conclusion. We're just not alike in a lot of ways, and the only way we'll ever get their respect is to show them that at the end of the day, we're more alike than we think.

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The idea of academic liberalism is tangible to me. I just graduated from college myself, and I think back to the time I was reading Richard Wright's "Native Son" and discussing America's race problem with a room full of rich, white, suburban kids. To a certain extent, I feel like that class was a microcosm of the Democratic Party.

John Kerry's alleged "flip-flopping" wasn't the problem. It wasn't moral issues, although Rove and the gang did a fine job of antagonizing wingnuts into the voting booth. Those were symptoms of a larger problem with the Kerry campaign (and one that they are far from alone in), which is our party leadership losing or dropping the messages that inspire "ordinary" people. To their credit, at least they replaced it with rhetoric to which most "intellectuals" comprehend and subscribe, but that doesn't excuse the fact that we have unequivocally abandoned the populist, class-generated idealism that fueled our success through the majority of the 20th century. Where was the "Two Americas?" Where was Obama's "no red states, no blue states, but the United States of America"? After the primaries crowned Kerry the nominee early, those messages were marginalized in favor of a blase centrist, semi-provocative foreign policy campaign that never really impressed people. Kerry had his moments (the first debate being his best), but he never put the right words together to give most people the "aha" moment where they realize "this guy really does understand my problems."

This time around Edwards and Dean came close- Edwards the closer, even though I'm still a proud Deaniac- to a message defining why Democrats can and always will best represent the working class. To quote the good doctor, we are a party of the people, by the people and for the people. And, in my humble opinion, John Kerry and his brain trust never came close to expressing that. In fact, largely they allowed BushCo to paint Kerry as the opposite, albeit in a round-about sort of way, with the Swift Boat and flip-flopper issues.

After the election, I, like many of us, was ready "to cut the red state umbilical cord" and say screw you to anyone making less than $50,000 a year who voted for Bush. The very idea made me so mad I could scream, and at many points, I did. Now I realize it was this underlying antagonism of the "uneducated" or "redneck" or "white trash" was there all along, and we showed it- badly. Not through outright cynacism or bigotry, but by ignoring their concerns altogether. And aside from selecting Dean as DNC chair, I've seen very little in either the blogosphere or the party establishment in addressing this.

I can no longer support a liberal ideology that leaves out the issues of class economic and social structure, equal access to a good education and affordable health insurance for all. It isn't about Iraq. It isn't about abortion. It isn't about gay rights. We will disagree as a society about these kinds of things until the end of time. That's the nature of social issues. They burn very hot, but are quickly snuffed out when the next big thing comes along. It's about the issues that make us alike; it's about what makes us Americans.

We will always have strong opinions on social and foreign policy, and we should vigorously defend them. I would never suggest we run and hide from them, that would be immoral and cowardly. But the focus, indeed the centerpiece to any revamped message, has simply got to be about how the Democratic ideas and ideals are without doubt beneficial to "average Roy's" everywhere.

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  •  tipjar (4.00 / 7)

    because meditations can be tough work sometimes...

    "Gov. Bush, if you had to sum up your campaign in one word, what would it be?" "Strategery."

    by Strategery on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 11:03:10 PM PDT

    •  my response from the former diary... (none / 0)

      if you don't mind. (link)

      i think it speaks to a similar point.
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      maybe we should listen to Roy rather than just "[educating] Roy on how his politics is hurting him".  maybe he can teach us something.

      nice diary, and recommended. don't get me wrong, i think of myself as a radical progressive, but that, to me, means being open to all possibilities and ideas. if Roy complains about the "meddling" government "telling us what we can and can't do", maybe he has a point (unless his an ideological right-winger).  

      maybe we should look for solutions that help the poor, or allow them to help themselves, while at the same time shielding them from "the cold, dead hand" of government (or private) bureaucracy.  creating, fostering, and encouraging community-based semi-public institutions or programs that can help local citizens by finding their own local solutions could go a long way towards winning over the likes of Roy, and might be the better solutions.

      i support national health-care for lack of better option, we talk about it as a magic bullet, and point to other countries (Canada, France, etc), but we forget the USA is much larger in population, and size than any of those countries.  maybe we're too big and should be experimenting more with regional solutions.

      i dunno... or maybe not.

      mydd straw poll vote: 1. other (gore) 2. unsure 3. dodd 4. edwards 5. obama

      by colorless green ideas on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 11:29:27 PM PDT

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      •  asdf (none / 0)

        This is at the heart of what I'm talking about when I mention "elitisim":

        maybe we should listen to Roy rather than just "[educating] Roy on how his politics is hurting him".  maybe he can teach us something.

        Lets take this attitude, not the "fuck roy and the horse he road in on" attitude. That plays into the conservative notion that liberals aren't like "us normal folk." It's Republican policy that puts them outside the mainstream. Let's not give them any more ammunition than we already have to paint us as elitists.

        "Gov. Bush, if you had to sum up your campaign in one word, what would it be?" "Strategery."

        by Strategery on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 11:40:41 PM PDT

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        •  exactly! (none / 0)

          so if Roy says "taxes are bringin me down and i ain't gettin nuthin from the government", maybe instead of saying "it is our duty as citizens to pay taxes, blah, blah" we say "i know, because people are just scrappin to get by as it is. i want to remove the tax burden from workin folk by shifting it to the rich elites with a 3% tax on wealth.  i believe in a society where everyone deserves an equal shot, but when a person can accumulate wealth beyond any comprehensible need, and do so on the infastructure built on the backs of hard working, tax paying citizens like yourself, it creates an unjust inequality, and needs to be fixed!"

          or something like that...

          mydd straw poll vote: 1. other (gore) 2. unsure 3. dodd 4. edwards 5. obama

          by colorless green ideas on Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 12:01:58 AM PDT

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          •  How about something like this (none / 0)

            "Roy, rich people just keep gettin' richer off the hard work of folks like you and me. I'm not talking rich like they got a nice house and a car and they don't have to worry about thier bills. I'm talking rich like they could put your whole mortgage on just one of thier credit cards, and then pay the whole bill when it comes due at the end of the month. Now I don't fault a man for gettin' rich, but when he does I think he owes a little somethin' to folks like you who helped him get there. So why don't we bump his taxes up a little and lower yours. Hell, he can afford it."
            •  sounds great to me. (none / 0)

              the point is that excessive accumulation of "assets" and wealth is inherently anti-competitive, and undemocratic.  however it needs to be said, it needs to be said!

              mydd straw poll vote: 1. other (gore) 2. unsure 3. dodd 4. edwards 5. obama

              by colorless green ideas on Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 01:03:21 AM PDT

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            •  Remember the other side of the equation as well (none / 0)

              "Roy, I'm like you.  I pay in pay in pay in on taxes but everything that government does to help the little guy like you and me is getting cut by these right-wing Republicans, while they hand out our tax dollars to big corporations like Halliburton.  I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes, it's the price of being a citizen, but I'm pretty fed up of paying in and seeing it all used for giveaways to the fatcats.
  •  They handed us a stick (4.00 / 2)

    And we didn't beat them with it.

    Overtime pay.

    I'm still staggered that this wasn't the number one economic issue that Kerry and Edwards,and every Dem talking head that appeared on a program, addressed first and every time.  This was an incredibly powerful issue the Publicans handed us, and the Dems acted like they didn't even notice it was there.

    Overtime pay

    1.  Millions of families live on overtime pay.  Regular pay pays the bills--overtime is what lets them live.  And they know it.  

    2.  Overtime pay is the guarantee of the 40-hour work week.  If the boss wants you more than 40 hours, he has to pay extra.

    Combine protecting/restoring overtime pay with a call for a raised minimum wage and health care for all, and you have a darn nice economic populist starter kit.  That sat unused.
    •  I couldn't agree more (none / 0)

      I didn't have the energy to get into the nuts and bolts of the message, but worker's rights have got to be at the top of the list. And God knows, BushCo has a horrible record in that arena, as do most Republicans.

      "Gov. Bush, if you had to sum up your campaign in one word, what would it be?" "Strategery."

      by Strategery on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 11:23:05 PM PDT

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  •  Hear Hear (none / 0)

    Nicely said,
    Added to the list
    Why are CEO's allow to fire thousands of workers,then use the monies freed up to beat expectations on quartly reports and give themselves and their cronies bonuses. This is about fundamental fairness in employment. Why are companies allow to promise pensions to workers, then move offshore and cut the pension when times are tough? They never cut the managerial level bonuses.
    How about health care. Why are Insurance companies allow to do anything other than offer insurance?Why are they allowed to gamble with their funds on the stock market?
    This is how we can find our message as Democratic. Lets start talking about the fundamentals again. We can be the Un-Republican party.

    When men build on false ground, the more they build, the greater the ruin.

    by Mosby on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 11:33:51 PM PDT

  •  Suggestion (none / 0)

    Saul ALinsky wrote his classic work on community organizing, Rules for Radicals as a primer for 60s campus leftists who wanted to work in poor and working class communities.  While it isn't directed toward partisan political organizing, the principles and lessons in the book are basic, and have multiple applications if one looks beyond Alinsky's community organizing frame of reference.  I recommend it for all middle-class progressives and leftists that want to try to corss the class barrier.

    As it happens, I have extensive experience in Alinsky-style community organizing.  It is a tested and proven means of reconnecting the disenfranchised, the disconnected and the disenchanted with their power as citizens.  Almost by definition, community organizing in working class and poor neighborhoods leads to confrontation with local power structures.  The local politicos are forced to make a chioce between the community organizations and the well-connected local special interests.  Guess who the local pols side with 99 times out of 100?  That's right, and just as true if they're Democrats.  If the Democratic Party wants to be the party of economic populism, it has to begin at home, at the ground level.

    •  sounds like a great read (none / 0)

      and a great methodology. Now all we have to do is convince the Democratic Party that it wants to be the party of economic populism...

      "Gov. Bush, if you had to sum up your campaign in one word, what would it be?" "Strategery."

      by Strategery on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 11:43:04 PM PDT

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  •  Forgive me (none / 0)

    I know I ought to care about winning their respect, finding common ground, reaching across the aisle...

    But I just don't. There are two kinds of Republicans/conservatives in this country: The vicious, evil, horrible kind that will ALWAYS be my enemy and yours -- and, frankly, the enemy of all that is good... and the kind who will only be convinced or persuaded AFTER we drag them kicking and screaming into our camp and tie them up for however long it takes to show them the error of their ways and the wisdom of ours.

    They can't be persuaded with reason. They can't be persuaded with logic or tact or good taste. Whenever jiacinto declares that we on the "far left" are losing people in the "middle" because of our "radicalism," I become even more convinced that I'm correct. Because the "far left radicalism" that I espouse... is CORRECT. It is JUST. It is GOOD. And anyone who can't see that will just have to deal with it until its innate goodness is UNDENIABLE to them. For instance, after a good DECADE of a national health care system taking care of everyone and lifting up the economy and generally IMPROVING EVERYONE'S LIVES... the only people left fighting it will be the evil bastards whose world view consists of "I got mine, fuck you."

    I won't waste my time anymore, trying to convince them with reason and gentle persuasion. It won't work.

    I'm going to use propaganda and coercion. It's the only thing that works on the mindless automatons these people have been turned into by 30 years of propaganda and coercion from the right wing scum.

    In C.S. Lewis's The Last Battle, there is a small group of dwarves who refuse, till the last, to be led out of the darkness and into the new world. They are offered good food and all they taste is muck. They are given warmth and they feel only cold. They are not evil, like the true enemy, the followers of Tash. But their selfishness and unwillingness to accept another point of view than their own becomes their undoing. They are in Narnia's version of "purgatory" or "limbo." Not the damned -- just... not saved. All due to their own willful ignorance and myopia. "The dwarves are for the dwarves. We won't be fooled."

    That's the group we'll eventually save -- or abandon to the dark side. If we get to the promised land and the dwarves still refuse to taste the milk and honey, then fuck 'em. They can sit in the dark eating muck. Me, I'm going to be watching my fellow human beings receive proper medical treatment without losing their homes, I'm going to see the elderly and the infirm cared for compassionately, I'm going to see a day when no one is homeless or hungry... or I'm going to die trying to get there.

    •  is "Roy" a republican/conservative? (none / 1)

      i got the feeling was he just a working stiff who got fed up with politicians, maybe he used to be a dem, but maybe he is a rep.

      anyway, the point i took from this is that we ought to stop acting like we know everything and they don't. not talking about right-wing ideologues here, just "your average middle american person". from there respect will come naturally.

      ultimately, we and "Roy" share pretty similar goals, so instead of us college-educated ones telling "Roy" how things need to be when "Roy" says that stuff doesn't work for him, let's talk and share ideas.  i see it as analagous to dean/reform dems vs. washington insiders. many of us liberals do have some latent elitism, and we're not always shy about letting it show. is it because what we believe "IS CORRECT"? well maybe, but i doubt it.

      mydd straw poll vote: 1. other (gore) 2. unsure 3. dodd 4. edwards 5. obama

      by colorless green ideas on Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 01:21:29 AM PDT

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    •  Agreed, to a point (none / 0)

      You don't steal a flock of sheep by wooing them one by one. You whack the shepherd in the head with the biggest stick you can find, and while he's laying in the mud nursing his bleeding skull and trying to figure out what happened, you steal the whole damn flock.

      Sure, there will be a few of them that won't come along. But eventually they'll figure out that thier shepherd has brain damage and he's not going to be taking care of them any more. Then they'll come looking for you.

      So I'm not saying to hell with them all, and I'm also not saying let's be nice and convince them one by one. What I am saying is maybe we should take a few pages from the Republican playbook. We beat down thier leaders however we can. We make the Republican message look like rabid snarlings from a coked up pit bull. And we make the GOP look like a band of mafia thugs extorting money from the hard-working shopkeepers to line thier greasy blood-stained pockets.

      And at the end of it all, there we will be with our message of goodness, opportunity, freedom, and fair play. "Come along little sheep, your old master is laying in the mud choking on his own vomit, we'll take care of you."

      And once we're in charge, maybe a concepts like educating our kids, caring for the sick and injured, equality for all, and helping our elderly won't be seen as radical communist left-wing craziness.

      Sometimes the ends DO justify the means.

      •  Got a big stick... (none / 1)

        Here's the shepherds.

        Rush Limbaugh
        Sean Hannity
        Ann Coulter
        Roger Ailes

        You get it.  People buy into the lies, and they won't change their mind until they end up hurt either economically/or physically like the results of this war.  Why did FDR win 4 times?  The great depression.  Why is Grover Norquist salivating while the greatest generation passes?  Guess.

        Don't protest, PUBLISH!

        by Yankee in exile on Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 06:37:36 AM PDT

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  •  A populist, hard left stance (none / 0)

    on economic issues (and environment, education) will help the Democratic party.

    • Minimum wage $9/hour.
    • Stronger labor/union rights.
    • Abolishing corporate personhood
    • Higher taxes on the rich

    and so on.

    There is no point in going for the center on these issues, that will only alienate the white working class voters. Why should they vote for a Dem party who is just as much in bed with big corporations as the GOP (not that they are, but the difference could and should be bigger)?

    But there is a point in moving towards the center - on social issues. That does not mean giving up our goals, it has to do with how we talk about and accomplish them.  

    My success formula for the Dem party:

    1. Move to the center on moral issues (abortion, gay marriage)

    2. Move to the left on every other issue (economics, environment, taxes, health care, ss)

    3. Articulate a strong foreign policy position

    Center position on abortion means accepting parental notification and the "safe, legal and rare" rhetoric. Pro-life but pro-choice.
    Center position on gay marriage means civil unions on state level.

    Conservatism = greed, hate, fear and ignorance

    by Joe B on Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 02:37:52 AM PDT

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