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Kos Frontpages It Wrong: McClellan [GASP!] isn't lying

Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 05:55:26 PM PDT

I know, this is a sort of "Stop the Presses" moment, but McClellan didn't grossly distorts the nature of the law that Bush signed in 199, the Texas Futile Care Law.  

There seems to be a significant misunderstanding about what the law did differently than previous hospital practice in Texas. If I'm wrong about this, I'll appologize in advance; I've been supporting BiminiCat's interpretation during the day, which, after some sleuthing, still appears to be right.

More over the hill . . .

The short story: previous to Bush's 1999 law, there weren't much of any constraints on hospital ethics committees that decided to end life-care to patients without hope of recovery. The Texas Futile Care Law provided a short 10-day window for family members to challenge hospital decisions and search for other facilities that might accept the patient. The bill was a compromise with right to life people.

Now the story . . . and where people have been getting it wrong.

Here's the full quote from Scotty:

Q Scott, you may remember this from your Texas days. A member of Congress in Florida, Deborah Wasserman Schultz, got on the floor yesterday and said that the President, when he was Texas Governor, signed a piece of legislation into law that, she said, would allow -- when there's a dispute, would allow a feeding tube to be removed and that -- she was a little bit murky on exactly what the law was, but, essentially, she was saying that the President signed something into law that's contradictory to what he is doing now.

MR. McCLELLAN: That's absolutely incorrect. The legislation he signed is consistent with his views. You know, this is a complex case and I don't think such uninformed accusations offer any constructive ways to address this matter. The legislation that he signed into law actually provided new protections for patients. He had previously vetoed legislation in 1997, when he was Governor, which essentially would have sanctioned current law in Texas that allowed hospitals to stop providing life-sustaining treatment -- because under Texas law, prior to the passage of the '99 legislation that he signed, there were no protections. And so this legislation was supported by many; it enjoyed strong bipartisan support; concerned citizens, various groups came together to support this legislation and put in place new protections for patients.

The legislation was there to help ensure that actions were being taken that were in accordance with the wishes of the patient or the patient's family. And let me give you an example. Prior to that legislation being passed I think there was a 72 hour period where if the hospital notified a patient -- or the family that represented the patient that they were going to deny life-sustaining treatment, then they had just that 72 hour period to find a place to transfer the patient, that would provide the treatment.

This legislation, some of the new protections it put in place were --included, the ethics committee review by the hospital, in working with the families as well, making -- you know, to discuss those decisions, determinations. And it also provided a 10-day period, so they had 10-day notice to be able to transfer the patient to another health care provider. And it also authorized court proceedings to extend that 10-day period in order to extend that transfer, if necessary.

So it's just an uninformed accusation.

Scotty explains the facts pretty much like I summarized above. ASTONISHING, but true.

Jerri Lynn Ward at Sue Bob's Diary explains the situation surrounding the Texas Futile Care Law and how Bush supported the idea. I don't know nothin' about Jerri, but the story seems to hold up from other Googling I did. She simply explained it clearest . . .

I want to take this opportunity to address concerns that Bush has been hypocritical in the Terri Schiavo matter given the fact that he signed the Texas Futile Care Statutes back in 1999.

First, the legislation was passed to prevent hospitals from withdrawing life-prolonging treatments from patients and the fear that the hospitals were creating and implementing such protocols because of money. Not only were the hospitals withdrawing treatment contrary to the wishes of patients and family members, they were giving these people only 72 hours to find a facility that would take them and continue the treatment.

In 1997, a bill was passed regarding Advance Directives that allowed health providers to withdraw medical treatment and nutrition and hydration against the will of patients. Bush, vetoed it for that reason. Unfortunately, hospitals continued to withdraw treatments because there was no law preventing these protocols.

In 1999, a group of stakeholders got together to again draft legislation that would provide at least some measure of protection to patients. The group included medical providers, attorneys, disability advocates and advocates from both right-to-life and right-to-die groups.

As a result, patients now have ten days to find alternative placement and hospitals cannot withdraw treatment during that period. This was the best compromise that could be worked out between the competing interests. Bush signed the bill--and hospitals no longer had the freedom to stop treatment so easily. Patients had other options.

So the facts seem to be that previous law allowed hospitals to make life-ending decisions essentially without any limits. The law Bush signed was a compromise position that allowed family members to challenge the decision of a hospital ethics committee, and provided a 10 day window in which to place the patient in another facilty. This is EXACTLY what happened in the Sun Hudson case:

Sun's death marks the first time a hospital has been allowed by a U.S. judge to discontinue an infant's life-sustaining care against a parent's wishes, according to bioethical experts. A similar case involving a 68-year-old man in a chronic vegetative state at another Houston hospital is before a court now.

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On Feb. 16, Harris County Probate Court Judge William C. McCulloch made the landmark decision to lift restrictions preventing Texas Children's from discontinuing care. However, an emergency appeal by Hudson's attorney, Mario Caballero, and a procedural error on McCulloch's part prevented the hospital from acting for four more weeks.

Texas law allows hospitals can discontinue life sustaining care, even if patient family members disagree. A doctor's recommendation must be approved by a hospital's ethics committee, and the family must be given 10 days from written notice of the decision to try and locate another facility for the patient.

Texas Children's said it contacted 40 facilities with newborn intensive care units, but none would accept Sun. Without legal delays, Sun's care would have ended Nov. 28.

It looks like Kos and the rest of us here have fell for the oldest one in the book; McClellan's lips were moving, so he must have been lying. In fact, in the essential story of that bill, it seems Bush did indeed work to extend the length of time for life-ending treatments and established a last-minute process for trying to get the patient ongoing care at another facility.

Just the facts, ma'am. But the whole Schiavo thing---and Bush's part in it---are still world-class awful.

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  •  Even if (4.00 / 2)

    This interpretation is true, Bush still signed a law which allows a life to be terminated over the objections of the the family.

    He could as a Governor with political capital demanded a law that would not allow that (if he really feels so strongly about the issue) rather than a half-measure.

    •  That legal situation existed BEFORE (none / 0)

      the Texas Futile Care Law. So, rhetorically you're right, but factually we're all wrong. Bush's bill provided an escape valve process for patients who faced being denied further care by the hospital.
      •  Who signed the "original" law mandating (none / 0)

        the pulling of the plug?

        Internet, n., A series of tubes invented by Al Gore; not a truck. "I mailed an Internet to my friend."

        by Viktor on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 06:12:11 PM PDT

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        •  Not sure---must be one of these laws . . . (none / 0)

          This seems to explain what the 1999 law was reacting to:

          Now, the 1999 Advance Directives Act is in the Governor's hands. This Act provides adequate safeguards, and contains many overdue legal refinements. Texas law needs this Act's improvements.

          The Act gathers together three existing laws - the Natural Death Act, originally passed in 1977, the Do-Not-Resuscitate (DNR) law, originally passed in 1993 and the Health Care Power of Attorney Act, originally passed in 1989. Because these laws were passed in different years and in response to different needs, they were poorly coordinated.

  •  Not disputing the facts of that law (4.00 / 3)

    I think you got it pretty much right.  However, before Bush signed the Futile Care Statutes, there was no law that allowed or prevented the termination of treatment.  Bush signed the law that explicitly gives the right for hospitals to pull the plug.  I think that is a distinction worth noting.  It points out the hypcrisy of Bush saying that he believes we should always err on the side of life.  If that was true, he would have lobbied for full protection of those on life support instead of codifying the right to end that life support.
    •  No apparently there was previous law . . . (none / 0)

      that Scotty refers to [does anybody know that law?], which makes plenty of sense; it's hard to fathom Texas hospitals pulling the plug on patients without some legal protection.

      Yes, it ceratinly appears hypocritical of Bush to not demand 100% live-at-all-costs legislation given his current position. But again, the 10 day compromise makes all kinds of sense if the current law at the time had NO protections, which is what Sue Bob is saying.

      Rhetorically, this works for us. The facts are just a little bit more complicated.

      •  I am pretty sure that there was no law (none / 0)

        At least that is how it sounds based on the interview I saw on Countdown.  Keith had on a reporter from the Dallas Morning News.  Based on what the reporter said and reading through Sue Bob's Diary (and the sites she links to), it appears that hospitals put practices and procedures in place to allow them to make the decision with 72 hours notice.  There is nothing anywhere that I have readindicating that there was a law that specifically allowed this practice, but there was also nothing that prevented it.
        •  So, without a law, Chimpy was still after (none / 0)

          a compromise position that would halt the practice. I guess one could honestly say then that his 1999 bill actually codified unplugging patients, even though that clearly wasn't the intention.  

          Of course, nothing explicitly wrong with "Swift Boating" his ass over this . . .

    •  Note how one of the key factors is the (none / 0)

      patient's inability to pay.

      If the patient can pay, then the hospital has no right to terminate.

      "They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics, at the time. [...] That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary."-Handmaid's Tale

      by JLFinch on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 06:22:38 PM PDT

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      •  THAT'S the hypocrical thing . . . (none / 1)

        Surely there was pressure from within the hospital administration to make decisions to remove life-giving care from patients who weren't going to improve [very Republican, no?]. So, oddly, Chimpy manages to support a bill that went against business in this instance---for at least 10 days---after which then they could do away with the red-ink patient.  

        Come to think of it, the full story of the pro-hospital side of this 1999 bill might prove that Bush caved on demanding a completely pro-life, "do not unplug" position after the hospitals got to him.  

      •  sick - literally (none / 0)

        How can a hospital decision override the rights of the guardian of the person? That is absolutely absurd!

        And worse yet - to do so in the name of money...well, what can I possibly say that would express how unbelievable this is?

        "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

        by catnip on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 06:40:47 PM PDT

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      •  I actually think the law makes perfect sense (none / 0)

        If the patient can't pay then eventually it becomes the taxpayers who do foot the bill.  I can think of better uses for taxpayer money.  The Texas law seems to have set the bar pretty high and the hospital in the Sun Hudson case seems to have gone above what was required.  If anything, Sun's case is good support for this law.   It was almost a miracle that he survived birth and there was zero chance of him ever having any kind of meaningful life.  But his mother refused to pull the plug in part becasue she believed that he was conceived by the Sun and not by man.

        However, having said all that, Bush is still a hypocrite for signing this bill and then talking about always erring on the side of life today.

  •  He should have signed a bill (4.00 / 2)

    PREVENTING the hospital from terminating support - IF he is as pro-life as he says he is

    "They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics, at the time. [...] That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary."-Handmaid's Tale

    by JLFinch on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 06:16:09 PM PDT

  •  Do you know what DeLay (none / 0)

    would do to a democratic Governor who signed that law?

    Skewer him.

    "They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics, at the time. [...] That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary."-Handmaid's Tale

    by JLFinch on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 06:20:57 PM PDT

  •  chris (none / 0)

    Thanks for clarifying this issue. Recommended!

    "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

    by catnip on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 06:42:29 PM PDT

  •  You haven't convinced me (4.00 / 4)

    Saying it's not hypocritical because he signed into law a protection that still results in the termination of care against the wishes of the family is a bit like saying that Bush is an anti-war president because he hasn't bombed Wisconsin.

    What the hell kind of logic is that?

    That child was, right or wrong, taken of life support against the wishes of his mother because the hospital was allowed to according to the 1999 law. Bush supports going against the wishes of Michael Schiavo in order to keep his wife on life support. That's hypocrisy, and the hypocrisy points to questionable motives.

    Please inform me if I've missed something.

    Today's Special: Chickenhawk, slow-baked in its mother's basement.

    by Earl on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 06:51:40 PM PDT

    •  I'm not saying it's not "hypocritical" (none / 1)

      just that the facts show Bush signed a law whose only real intent was to slow down hospital decisions to stop life-giving care.

      The current practice at the time---to which there was no law prohibiting---was 72 hour notice.  

      Certainly, Mr. "Cowboy-Bring-It-On" seems rather whimpy in aquiescing to a law that still permitted patients to be unplugged. The fact that this was actually a compromise agreed to by right-to-life groups shows that it must have been politically impossible at the time to undo that [still haven't found the story about that exactly . . .].

      Where you are indeed wrong is in the impression that the 1999 law itself allowed Sun Hudson to be taken off life support. Hospitals were doing that before the law.

      Using your analogy, that's like saying Bush is makes the sun come up in the morning by opening the drapes.

      What the hell kind of logic is that?  

      The sun was coming up before he put the drapes up.

      •  Yup (none / 0)

        Where you are indeed wrong is in the impression that the 1999 law itself allowed Sun Hudson to be taken off life support. Hospitals were doing that before the law.

        I was wrong about that. My bad. I thought you had at some point let him off the hook for hypocrisy in regards to the Shiavo case.

        You give him more credit than I would, though. I find it so hard to believe that the decision was made as a compromise by some moral crusader trying to protect life. I could be guilty of what you said though, "lying because his lips were moving." I don't know.

        Here's some info on the 1997 law that was vetoed, the title of which would support your case (I still don't buy it): BUSH ACHIEVES PROTECTION AGAINST INVOLUNTARY EUTHANASIA IN TEXAS

        Today's Special: Chickenhawk, slow-baked in its mother's basement.

        by Earl on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 08:19:41 PM PDT

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        •  Please note (none / 0)

          That the link above goes to the NRLC, so...

          You're right though, McLellan, he was jumped on too quick. Damn. I hate being wrong about those bastards. But that's part of the problem..

          Good work.

          Today's Special: Chickenhawk, slow-baked in its mother's basement.

          by Earl on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 08:32:11 PM PDT

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        •  Hold on (none / 0)

          From Kos front page diary:

          Scotty: The legislation was there to help ensure that actions were being taken that were in accordance with the wishes of the patient or the patient's family.

          Isn't that a lie?

          The doctor's could and can still choose to the contrary of a family's wishes. It seems it wasn't about who wanted it--just who wanted it the Right way.

          Today's Special: Chickenhawk, slow-baked in its mother's basement.

          by Earl on Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 08:38:39 PM PDT

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          •  Naw, I think ScottyPoo was pointing out (none / 0)

            that the 1999 law GAVE the family a say . . . remember, they didn't really have any way to oppose the hospital ending care prior to that.

            The law seems to be designed EXPRESSLY to give the family 10 days and more ability to legally object to such a decision. None of that existed before.

  •  Compromising with WHOM? (none / 0)

    The law Bush signed was a compromise position that allowed family members to challenge the decision of a hospital ethics committee

    Seems to me like he signed a bill that compromised patient rights in favor of corporation rights. I wonder which side he argued for? Actually, no I don't wonder at all.

    •  Thought about that upthread . . . (none / 1)

      that indeed Bush's compromise was probably just as much induced by corporate pressure---hospital's trying to dump expensive patients---as it was by the  political difficulty in proposing a complete ban on unplugging.
  •  minor modification of the previous law (none / 0)

    It seems that the 1999 law improved the procedure of the termination of the life support, adding a bit more of the review process and extending by a week (mind you, a week, not 15 years) the period for founding the transfer, however the extension was modest and the principle that doctors may know better than the family was left unchanged.

    The history of the law suggest that Bush did not like 1997 bill that was totally one sided, but accepted a small modification of it.

    I also remember Bush lecturing Kerry during a debate that litigation increases the cost of medical care not merely by its own cost and the cost of awards, but by forcing the providers to perform unnecessary procedures.  Now he flies back to Washington to allow for more litigation, against the principles of the law that he signed and against the principles he espoused in the election campaign.

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