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The Bushite War on Science, Pt. 146

Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 10:57:37 AM PDT

The Schiavo circus is providing lots of cover for all kinds of malfeasance by the Bush clan by sucking up media (and blogopheric) oxygen. So it's important that we always keep our eyes on the ball. The Washington Post details the latest entry in the never-ending Republican battle to suppress sound science:

When the Environmental Protection Agency unveiled a rule last week to limit mercury emissions from U.S. power plants, officials emphasized that the controls could not be more aggressive because the cost to industry already far exceeded the public health payoff.

What they did not reveal is that a Harvard University study paid for by the EPA, co-authored by an EPA scientist and peer-reviewed by two other EPA scientists had reached the opposite conclusion.

That analysis estimated health benefits 100 times as great as the EPA did, but top agency officials ordered the finding stripped from public documents, said a staff member who helped develop the rule. Acknowledging the Harvard study would have forced the agency to consider more stringent controls, said environmentalists and the study's author. (Emphasis added.)

Unfortunately, the Democratic response to this latest outrage doesn't seem to be getting much traction. I think environmenal issues which directly affection people's health can be very powerful (just think of the TV ads you can run), so I hope we don't let this one just slide by.

(Via the Daou Report.)

Update [2005-3-23 14:8:20 by DavidNYC]: Via Aggie in the comments, I see that The Onion also has this story:

EPA To Drop 'E,' 'P' From Name

WASHINGTON, DC — Days after unveiling new power-plant pollution regulations that rely on an industry-favored market-trading approach to cutting mercury emissions, EPA Acting Administrator Stephen Johnson announced that the agency will remove the "E" and "P" from its name. "We're not really 'environmental' anymore, and we certainly aren't 'protecting' anything," Johnson said. "'The Agency' is a name that reflects our current agenda and encapsulates our new function as a government-funded body devoted to handling documents, scheduling meetings, and fielding phone calls." The change comes on the heels of the Department of Health and Human Services' January decision to shorten its name to the Department of Services.

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  •  As usual, the Onion has it (4.00 / 3)

    From this week's issue:

    EPA To Drop 'E,' 'P' From Name
    WASHINGTON, DC--Days after unveiling new power-plant pollution regulations that rely on an industry-favored market-trading approach to cutting mercury emissions, EPA Acting Administrator Stephen Johnson announced that the agency will remove the "E" and "P" from its name. "We're not really 'environmental' anymore, and we certainly aren't 'protecting' anything," Johnson said. "'The Agency' is a name that reflects our current agenda and encapsulates our new function as a government-funded body devoted to handling documents, scheduling meetings, and fielding phone calls." The change comes on the heels of the Department of Health and Human Services' January decision to shorten its name to the Department of Services.
  •  Non-partisan Skeptic just nailed Bush on this... (none / 1)

    From the usually non-partisan Skeptic Magazine:

    There's a war going on--and not just the one in Iraq. This conflict may not get as much media play, but it could have just as great an impact on our safety, national prestige, and long-term economic health. It is a war over the integrity of science itself, and the casualties are everywhere: career scientists and enforcement officials are resigning en masse from government agencies, citing an inability to do their jobs due to what they see as the ruthless politicization of science by the Bush administration.  Bruce Boler, Marianne Horinko, Rich Biondi, J. P. Suarez and Eric Schaeffer are among those who have resigned from the EPA alone.  In a letter to The New York Times, former EPA administrator Russell Train, who worked for both Nixon and Ford, wrote, "I can state categorically that there never was such White House intrusion into the business of the EPA during my tenure." 1  Government meddling has reached such a level that European scientists are voicing concerns that Bush may not merely be undermining U.S. dominance in sciences, but global research as well. 2

    •  My neighbor (none / 1)

      Used to work at EPA.  She worked extensively on the Kyoto Treaty information.  Shortly after Bush took office, she started telling me how political it got there and once Bush said he wouldn't sign Kyoto, she started looking for another position elsewhere.  She says that all the Federal agencies have gotten much more political over the past 5 years.
      •  you can't blame Kyoto (4.00 / 4)

        entirely on Bush. It failed in the Senate 95-0. Bush and the Republicans are bad, yes, certainly. But the Democrats aren't much better: Clinton and Gore were in office for 8 years, but didn't propose their mercury emissions control legislation until after the 2000 elections.
        •  True (none / 1)

          and here in MN the Dems in state house and senate, because they want to get back at Pawlenty, are perfectly willing to derail a great bill that would clean up the states lakes and rivers. Its aggrevating that they would play politics on an issue that affects all of us.
    •  There's a great line in the article (none / 0)

      that says "But surely even they realize preventing an analysis of the consequences of our actions will not prevent those consequences from occurring."

      This one line probably explains, more than anything else, this administration's entire world-view..
      Causes and Effects are strictly for the reality-based community

      •  But in their view (none / 0)

        everybody has a self-serving reason for making the argument.

        Those analysts were just looking for more government support for their own research. they didn't *really* believe what they were saying.

        And since it was put in for selfish reasons, we feel justified in removing it.

        </channeling right-wingers>

        I have heard so much wishful thinking from the MSM about the Bush Administration, it's just sickening.

        (-7.00, -5.18)
        Hopelessly pedantic since 1963.

        by admiralh on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 12:37:53 PM PDT

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  •  there has been some chatter here about (4.00 / 2)

    this issue, and some of the comments in these diaries are really enlightening.
    mercury, lies and the epa [http://greatbasin2.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/22/125136/283]

    once in a while we win one

    mercury pollution

    mercury a real issue

     mercury and lies (BarbinMD)

    new epa mercury regs (Scoopster)

  •  WHAT DEMOCRATIC RESPONSE?? (none / 1)

    having one Dem house member say he's outraged is not a response it's a surrender.I'm getting very tired of the ineptitude of my party.

    http://dumpjoe.com/

    by ctkeith on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:04:41 AM PDT

    •  Even if all the Democrats in our Federal Govt (none / 1)

      were to sing a response like a power-suited church choir on the steps of the Lincoln monument, most of the public still wouldnt hear the response thanks to today's media climate, especially this fucking week..

      It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

      by ablington on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:07:20 AM PDT

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      •  but at least they'd go down fighting (none / 0)

        media coverage or not.  this is their obligation to at least 49% of us - if not to the misinformed 51% as well.  

        No matter how cynical you get ... you can never keep up.

        by LegalSpice on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:13:45 AM PDT

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        •  The linked article is super- short but (4.00 / 2)

          makes it clear that the Dems are doing their job, even if the mainstream media doesnt give a shit about informing us. They only quote 2 politicians, and Markey includes the word 'outrage', while Kerry suggests a cover-up.

          It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

          by ablington on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:17:22 AM PDT

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      •  Thats total bullshit and this attitude is being (none / 1)

        used by our lazy and frightened Dems in congress to stay silent.My freinds and I put together http://dumpjoe.com/  and have been hounded by over 30 reporters,collumnists and radio show hosts.If any congressperson wants press they can get it in a heartbeat.They're silent by choice and the reason for the silence can be found here:http://www.opensecrets.org/
           The same thing happened with the Bankruptcy bill.

        http://dumpjoe.com/

        by ctkeith on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:34:08 AM PDT

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        •  yes and no (none / 0)

          First of all, Im referring to this specific Harvard study. There was a response by MA Dems, and I wouldnt be surprised if I get some sort of auto-email from Kerry about it, as I seem to get an email from him everyday with some issue or another.

          I think your website is attracting press for obvious reasons...its clearly a good story. Everyone loves a David and Goliath story. There are COUNTLESS environmental sites. Are they being hounded by press? I dont think so. Rep Conyers is a great example of someone who takes on progressive issues, runs a good website and yet never seems to rise above indoe press, no matter how hard he tries. And he TRIES.

          IM a big fan of opensecrets.org and am not suggesting that some Dems arent corrupt. But I stand by my notion that the press isnt interested in the environment, especially during Schiavo week/

          It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

          by ablington on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:43:00 AM PDT

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          •  heres my point (none / 1)

            MSNBS,FOX and CNN do not equal "THE MEDIA".I agree that getting any real news on those outlets in todays atmosphere is almost impossible but every damn reporter for local papers would jump at the opportunity to do an interview with a Congressman or Senator.Our Representatives and Senators are the laziest and most risk averse people in the country and until they get off their asses W's crew is going to continue to beat their brains in.

            http://dumpjoe.com/

            by ctkeith on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:49:51 AM PDT

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        •  Cool site, btw (none / 0)

          It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

          by ablington on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:49:24 AM PDT

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      •  Yup (none / 0)

        Even if we paid for slick ads showing the effects of murcury poisoning on little kids and newborns, no media would run the ad.  Sadly, I agree with you.
    •  Also (none / 0)

      IN addition to Rep MArkey, In that linked article it quotes Kerry foremost, who is arguably among the most well known Dems. Thank God for MA Dems.

      It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

      by ablington on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:11:55 AM PDT

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      •  Please (3.50 / 2)

        "Why is the EPA suppressing the evidence that mercury pollution can be controlled better and faster?" asked Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass

        Good question John. Perhaps you should FUCKING LOOK INTO IT!

        Markey at least grazes the target:

        Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., said he was outraged that the EPA would suppress the Harvard study while claiming stricter controls would cost industry far more than the projected health benefits of its regulatory proposal.

        The reason "why"? Becuase to the Republicans (and many corporate whore democrats) your life is worth less than the coal company's profits.

        That. Fucking. Simple.

        Feel the sharp sting of sarcasm!

        by Sarcastro on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:38:46 AM PDT

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        •  Look. (none / 0)

          This article is like 2 paragraphs long. I dont think this whole story begins and ends there. Im not defending Kerry or the Washington Post, but I am willing to entertain the notion that these politicians feel the same way you do. Maybe they even said as much, but werent quoted.

          It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

          by ablington on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:47:58 AM PDT

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      •  Here are the press releases (none / 0)

        Markey's is at:
        Markey on Mercury

        Kerry's brief statement is at:

        Kerry on Mercury

        Meehan is my MA rep, but I used to be in Markey's district. I'm glad he and Kerry are still on the job.

  •  thank you for this (none / 0)

    There were a pair of decent diaries on this yesterday, and both died an unceremonious death. WTF is the recourse here? Are we at the point where the lying and deceit is so commonplace with these crackers that we no longer even bother calling bullshit?

    Seriously, what are the action items?

    If you aren't outraged, you're not paying attention.

    by bigskiphazzy on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:05:06 AM PDT

    •  some suggestions (3.75 / 4)

      1. Contact your Congressional Representatives and Senators with something like the following message: "I am concerned that the cap and trade regulations for mercury pollution containment are insufficient to protect the health of our citizens. And, I would urge you to initiate an investigation into the nature of the health problems mercury contamination causes. Further, I would like to see (the Senate or Congress) investigate how the proposed solutions are supposed to alleviate the problem."

      2. Find organizations in your state or region that are working on this issue. There are many good writers on this site, and their letters to the editors would be an invaluable help to these groups.

      3. Note that this is not really an "environmental issue" as much as it is an issue of public health. The Republicans and their allied exploiters and polluters can bellow all they want about tree hugging extremists, but the bottom line is that this issue is a matter of grave concern for the health of our citizens.
      If politicians are truly concerned about health care cost containment then exploring the ramifications of mercury pollution is an essential part of that issue.

  •  Question for any experts... (none / 0)

    What impact does ignoring the EPA-funded Harvard study have on the ability of anyone to challenge this EPA decision?

    That's the real question here.  If by ignoring their own study, the EPA has given the courts grounds to invalidate the EPA's new rule, that's a good thing, I would think.

  •  Bush war on science and reason (4.00 / 6)

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
    Voltaire

    Thrice is he armed who hath his quarrel just. Sherlock Holmes.

    by Carnacki on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:09:47 AM PDT

  •  I never understood why (none / 0)

    the Kerry campaign didn't hammer this issue a lot more, especially in science-centric publications.

    They could have run ads on the Discover Channel and other science-focused cable channels to reach the audience that cares most deeply about it.

    But no. Yet another victim of the failed "battleground states only" campaign strategy.

    (-7.00, -5.18)
    Hopelessly pedantic since 1963.

    by admiralh on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:11:37 AM PDT

    •  Cable (none / 0)

      The two are not mutually exclusive - certainly, you can run ads on cable stations that only go up in certain localities or states. But I think you very rarely see political advertising on cable, for whatever reason.
    •  But he did!!!! (none / 1)

      Believe me Kerry did hammer this home a lot and I loved him for it. It was a constant part of his standard stump speech.  Overwhelmingly the scientific community pushed for Kerry's election -- a welcome change from their tradition of ignoring politics.

      Unfortunately however it was little noticed in the mainstream media which has a habit of ignoring sceince because they don't think the readers will understand it. UGH!!!!!!

      So now it wouldn't surprise me in the least that some of the huge cuts at the NSF, NASA and elsewhere are payback for the scientific community's support of Kerry.

      •  We know the MSM ignores science (none / 1)

        Which is why he should have run the ads places where the MSM would not interfere.

        Yes, Kerry spoke about it, but how many people listren to complete speeches compared to the ones who only get the pre-processed sound bites.

        What I think they should have done is find demographics and tager issues to those demographics. Then find the media outlets that serve that demographics and run targeted ads there.

        So:

        MTV - Run ads about a possible draft

        Discovery/Science Channel - Run ads about politicization of science

        Animal Planet - Run ads about loss of species/damage to habitats

        A&E - Run ads about politicization of arts funding

        WE/Oxygen - Focus on women's issues (access to birth control being #1).

        Outdoor Life- Run ads about losing hunting areas due to environmental damage.

        BET - Black economic issues

        See my point?

        (-7.00, -5.18)
        Hopelessly pedantic since 1963.

        by admiralh on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 12:33:15 PM PDT

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    •  I don't know how much difference (none / 0)

      it would have made.  If my colleagues are any indication, very few scientists were Bush supporters.  Almost by definition, folks who find science attractive and compelling are members of the reality-based community.

      Anger can be power. You know that you can use it.

      by sciguy on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 01:21:38 PM PDT

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  •  The two frames that should come out of this: (none / 0)

    "The Bush administration is anti-science--look at how they've tried to hurt America by interfering in private medical decisions, opposing stem-cell research that could save millions, and abandoning the environment."

    "The Bush administration is out-of-touch with America--clear majorities oppose private accounts for Social Security, support stem-cell research, oppose the decision to go to war in Iraq, and oppose Congress' intervention in the Schiavo case."

    In my perfect world, every Dem on the Sunday morning shows would stick closely to those two talking points.

    •  This issue is everything... (4.00 / 5)

      Bush's denial of science and analysis and disdain for human knowledge is not just about mercury. It's about believing in WMD and manipulating intelligence to get the results they wanted. It's about refusing to let people with knowledge of the Middle East and National Building have a say in pre-war planning because people with knowledge might find "potential problems" and therefore be "anti-war". It's about their refusal to train or plan for the contingency of an insurgency.  

      Data, analysis, facts, policy - these aren't part of the decision making process. The nation is literally being run by people who, on every issue, act based on politics and faith.  They're not empiricists, and there's only so long you can live in a bubble before you walk into the wall of reality. Believing something doesn't make it so, and ignoring something doesn't make it go away. The unverse is there whether you want it to be or not, and it can't be intimidated into making 1 + 1 = 5.

      •  I agree entirely, except for (4.00 / 3)

        The nation is literally being run by people who, on every issue, act based on politics and faith.

        They are acting based on self-interest, either political or economic.  If anything, they've already shown their belief that faith is for suckers.

        When "stupidity" suffices, why search for any other reason?

        by wozzle on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:27:40 AM PDT

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    •  Is being "anti-Science" a good frame? (none / 1)

      What scares me the most about this is the fact that our kids are not learning about the scientific method in schools. An entire generation of young adults are for all practical purposes scientifically illiterate.  And with that illiteracy comes a dangerous complacency when told Bush is "anti-Science".
  •  From my newsletter (4.00 / 5)

    From what I can tell, the Republicans are trying to poison Americans. This may sound overstated, but that is the only conclusion I can draw from the Bush Administration's constant attempts to allow our food and drinking water to be poisoned by pollution. And I am not talking about chemicals that may or may not cause cancer. I am talking about real poisons like mercury and arsenic. Anyone can tell you that these are poisonous! Any parent knows that when a child breaks a mercury thermometer you have to keep that child away from the tempting silver balls rolling around the room. Why? Because it is poisonous mercury! And arsenic is proverbial as a poison. Yet Bush thinks it is okay for our food and drinking water to contain these known poisons. This is a pattern of disregard that Bush has shown for the health and well being of the American people and we have
    to call him on it!

    After the 9/11 attacks, all of New York City smelled the smoke that rose from the ruins. I
    remember the smell vividly--something between burned plastic and solder. It took weeks for the fires to die down and months for the smell to fade. The EPA told us that that smoke was safe to breathe and this led many brave firefighters who worked at ground zero to work without respirators. Later we learned that Bush had instructed the EPA to lie to us and that in reality the smoke rising from ground zero was toxic. The EPA knew this and would have told us, but Bush told them not to. So they lied to us and New York City is bearing the consequences of that lie. Firefighters are dying of "ground zero syndrome" because they breathed in that toxic smoke. This was my first hint that the Bush Administration has no problem poisoning Americans:

    http://www.rense.com/general17/suit.htm
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A22212-2002Sep15
    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/environment.html

    I cannot express to you my outrage at this. Our city was hit by a foreign enemy, but some of the harm done to us was thanks to our President and his lies. New Yorkers are dying because of his lies.

    But that isn't where the poisoning of America by the Republicans ends. Then came the cynically named "Clean Skies Initiative" that would be better named the "Polluter's Initiative." In this bill, the Republicans lowered the standards for the air we breathe. According to the scientific and medical community, Bush and the Republicans are condemning Americans to increased breast
    cancer risk ( http://www.breastcancerfund.org/siteapps/advocacy/index.aspx?c=kwKXLdPaE&b=44860&ievent=5229 8&action=527&template=x.ascx),
    asthma and premature death. Please also see:

    http://scienceinpolicy.org/cgi-bin/issues.py?title=clear_skies_initiative
    http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=41434

    So Bush's lie to the American heroes at ground zero and his "Polluter's Initiative" show that Bush is quite happy to poison the air Americans breathe. What about our water? The next step in the Republicans' war against healthy America was an attempt, fortunately blocked, to lower standards for arsenic in our drinking water. I mean, come on. ARSENIC! Previously the EPA had touted scientific evidence that arsenic is may cause cancer at any dose, and they used this evidence to severely restrict the amount of arsenic allowable in drinking water. The Bush EPA
    reversed this and wanted to up the allowable levels of arsenic our children and we can drink. Thankfully the efforts of the National Resources Defense Council and several Democrats (Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Jon Corzine (D-N.J.)) filed suit to block the change of arsenic standards. Here're some articles on the arsenic issue:

    http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=2897
    http://www.nrdc.org/bushRecord/articles/br_489.asp

    Then there is mercury. We all know mercury is toxic. Well, guess what: because industry spills tons and tons of mercury into our oceans, some of the fish we eat has sufficient levels of mercury that our government is telling pregnant women and children to avoid eating too much. Tuna is the main commercial fish that we are supposed to cut back on because eating too much of it will lead to toxic levels of mercury building up in our systems. PREGNANT WOMEN AND CHILDREN
    MAY BE POINSONED IF THEY EAT TOO MUCH TUNA! Here are articles on the FDA recommendations for various fish that may be contaminated and some of the scientific evidence:

    http://www.pbs.org/now/science/mercuryinfish.html
    http://pediatrics.about.com/cs/nutrition/a/mercury_fish.htm
    http://www.ucsusa.org/global_environment/rsi/page.cfm?pageID=1364
    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/admehg3.html

    So what are the Republicans doing about this poisoning of Americans by industrial pollution? They want to deny the problem and lower standards for mercury emissions by industry!!! Read this:

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/02/26/mercury/index_np.html

    I am sick and tired of the pseudo-science used by Republicans and the efforts of Republicans to poison us and our children. One aspect of this issue that is often ignored even by the left is the fact that the poisoning of America by industry, though it affects all of us,
    disproportionately affects minorities and the poor. This is because the worst polluters build in poor and disenfranchised neighborhoods. But we all are being poisoned and our president is leading the way in poisoning us. Is there any other way to interpret these many efforts to reduce the quality of our air, water and food?

    I ask all of you to do the following. First, write your local media and express your fears and
    concerns about the Republican efforts to reduce the quality of the air, water and food Americans depend on. If we don't tell the media, who will? We have to do it.

    http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/

    Second, write your favorite tuna company and write to tell them that you are concerned about
    mercury in your tuna, and because of the lowered standards, you are cutting tuna from your diet. I have done this and have been told by a tuna company that mercury in tuna is due to volcanic activity. Anyone who knows geology (my wife, for example) will tell you that this is ridiculous. It also doesn't explain the increasing levels of mercury in fish like tuna paralleling the mercury emissions from industry. But lobby these companies and tell them that lowered standards means you don't want to risk your health eating their product. Here are some companies to target:

    http://www.bumblebee.com/
    http://www.starkist.com/
    http://www.albatuna.com/American.htm
    http://www.chickenofthesea.com/

    Stand up for your right not to be poisoned!

  •  Just as with every other policy... (4.00 / 3)

    ...the Bush Cronies adopt, as we have found out to our regret for the past 50 months, facts don't matter, only profits.

    There was a time - even in Republican administrations - when the prospect of being shamefully outed would have prevented actions like this one from being pondered more than a nanosecond. But having proved the effectiveness of their media-mediated weapons of mass distraction and deception, they no longer fear shame or possible repercussions.

    I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:16:36 AM PDT

    •  Nixon had shame (none / 0)

      there was a good diary the other day comparing Nixon to W. Nixon, the diarist argued, was like the dog who piddled on the rug and then whined with shame, slinking away. W is like the dog who shits on the floor, plays in it, and then jumps in your lap for a kiss.

      (Im paraphrasing here...his diary was funny. I really ought to link it but Im too lazy)

      It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

      by ablington on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:21:10 AM PDT

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  •  David, can you link to the first 145 installments? (none / 1)

    I'm a little behind in my reading.
  •  How can we get our hands (none / 0)

    On that report?  I would also like to see the EPA's rational for dismissing the 100 times greater health effects of mercury?

    Also I would love to see how the international standards for this match up....are we in line with other first world nations or are we in line with China and India?

    You can attack this from the poiunt of government transparancy.....did they consult on this new rule?  where all the stakeholders at the table and if so how where they picked, use the governments own policy on forming policy against them.

  •  I propose that everyone (none / 1)

    involved in media communications for dnc be replaced by capable professionals with a track record.  

    We have been glaringly ineffectual in this area for too long.

    If Mr. Dean wants to take back our country, he'd better see that a few people who have a clue how to achieve this come on board.

  •  Follow the money (4.00 / 4)

    The coal industry gives over 90 percent of its political donations to the GOP.

    Even though Dems get a pittance in comparison, and in general less from utility companies than Republicans do, still, if you are running for Congress even that small check may mean a lot.

    Until the American public wakes up to the serious dangers posed by coal-fired plants, which provide over fifty percent of our electricity along with substantial amounts of mercury (from invisible mercury vapor going up the stacks from burning so-called "clean" coal), mercury output will only increase.  

    About a hundred new coal plants are in line to be licensed in the US.  They, like all the other coal plants in the US, will be storing their waste in the environment in the form of mountains of ash and ponds of sludge which leach toxic heavy metals into the water table, in lakes, rivers, and the ocean, in the atmosphere, and in human tissue.  

    How did it happen that the US has remained reliant on coal when 32,000 premature deaths a year are caused by cardiovascular and pulmonary disease definitively caused by coal combustion (Abt study)?  That figure does not include mining deaths and illnesses.  We can assume that ailments caused by mercury poisoning contribute to mortality as well.

    People are ignorant of the incredible risks and costs to our health from coal-combustion.  

    The EPA has obviously been told to play all of this down because preventing mercury vapor from going up the stacks will be a costly matter and will put a dent in the soaring success of the coal industry.

    There are only two sources of large-scale electricity, coal and nuclear.  By comparison, the risks from nuclear to public health and the environment are significantly lower.  

    This is why most scientists, when forced to choose whether they would live next to a nuclear plant or a coal-fired plant, which emits a hundred times more radioactivity, choose nuclear.

    The IPCC predicts average global temperatures to rise enough by 2050 to put 20-30% of all species at risk for extinction.

    by Plan9 on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:31:02 AM PDT

    •  Coal is old (none / 0)

      How many technologies from Dickens' novels are still in regular use?

      If we can't get a flying car or a robot "maid" in the 21st century, we should at least get a cleaner source of power.

      "Can we all get along?"

      by hotspur on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:40:45 AM PDT

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    •  The N.J. Star-Ledger on coal. (none / 0)

      NJ Star'Ledger's technology reporter, Kevin Coughlin, published an extensive report a week ago.  You can find lots of information here.
      He covers ways of reducing CO2 levels in the atmosphere, such as:

      • carbon sequestration, whereby CO2 would be buried for example in oil reservoirs, coal seams, saline aquifers, mid-ocean storage, and deep-ocean storage; dangers of doing so are discussed,

      • biomedical production of CO2 eaters,

      • suck up CO2 from the sky and converting it into rocks,

      • beam clean solar power to Earth from satellites.

      • coal gasification, a much cleaner process than coal burning.

      • fusion, which seems to go nowhere, since nobody seems to agree on where to put the reactor.

      Anyway, the reports are interesting.  As long as we use coal, a lot can be done to improve the environmental impact of coal.

      When the fox preaches The Passion, farmer watch your geese.

      by reform dem on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 05:46:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Perhaps Dr. 'Man of Science' Frist (none / 0)


     could just diagnose the problems with mercury ingestion via videotape.  Now wouldn't that save everybody a lot of time and money!

     BenGoshi
    __________________

    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:32:39 AM PDT

    •  Mercury-related cognition problems (none / 1)

      Mercury poisoning is obviously affecting Congress and the White House.

      Some link the collapse of Rome to lead poisoning (wine and water stored in lead vessels).  Maybe our demise will be caused by another toxic heavy metal.

      The IPCC predicts average global temperatures to rise enough by 2050 to put 20-30% of all species at risk for extinction.

      by Plan9 on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:35:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I've said it before (none / 0)

    This administration is Stalinistic in its approach to science.

    In the good old USSR, the only science that was allowed was science that backed up what the government wanted its citizens to believe.

    In effect, the government told the scientists what they were to find, and then if they didn't find it or objected that this wasn't the purpose of science, they had some very cold winters to deal with.

    The ultimate goal was to create an unthinking trust in the government.

    The bigger question, in some ways, is where is the "culture of life" represented.  If it costs 1 billion to do something and the public health payoff is only $500 million (in actuality its the polar opposite) does that mean the health of our country and the lives of our children is not worth $500 million?  This is the issue the Democrats should be pushing, as well as the anti-science issue.

    Bush, so incompetent, he can't even do the wrong things right.

    by JAPA21 on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:34:03 AM PDT

    •  cheaper than we think (4.00 / 2)

      Also keep in mind it never costs as much as estimated to meet improved standards because it's cheaper to hire a dozen ChemEngs to improve the process than to treat using current tech. There was a study (I can't find a link to) analyzing new EPA and OSHA rules that found that ~90% of the time it was cheaper than even the most conservative estimate. Sometimes 100X cheaper.

      Higher standards are the best way to encourage innovation. Why are higher standards good for students taking tests, but bad for a hog farm or a refinery?

      "Can we all get along?"

      by hotspur on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:46:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Mercury Emission contol during Clinton (none / 0)

    Here is a piece from the EPA site from 1998:

    Mercury Emissions and Electric Utilities Fact Sheet

    Mercury Emissions and Electric Utilities
    February 24, 1998

    EPA is today issuing a Report to Congress on emissions of hazardous air pollutants from power plants that identifies electric utilities as the largest remaining source of mercury emissions to the air. EPA has a five-pronged approach to controlling mercury emissions from power plants. The approach includes:

    increasing public access to information concerning mercury emissions from power plants
    seeking to reduce risk to highly exposed populations through public information
    making maximum use of the reductions in mercury emissions that can be achieved from controlling other pollutants
    encouraging the development of mercury emissions monitoring and control technologies
    further research to increase our understanding of the nature and fate of mercury emissions from power plants so as to form a basis for future controls
    EPA already has taken steps to reduce mercury emissions from three other significant industry sources. The Agency issued final regulations cutting mercury emissions from municipal waste combustors in 1995 and from medical waste incinerators last August. Latter this year, EPA will announce a final rule to reduce mercury emissions from hazardous waste combustion. These actions, once fully implemented, will reduce mercury emissions caused by human activities by over 50% from 1990 levels.

    It's longer and here is the link:

    http://www.epa.gov/ttncaaa1/t3/reports/hg17th.html

    Lets burn them with what they said in the past.....This may be a key phrase:

    "further research to increase our understanding of the nature and fate of mercury emissions from power plants so as to form a basis for future controls "

    If this is true why not use a trusted scientific source?

  •  Dems' response should be... (4.00 / 5)

    "You want a culture of life? Fine.  We say 'Start here.' "    Go to a couple of well chosen statistics on mercury poisoning, and its effects, especially in children.  "Earlier this week we saw the Republican party staying up late and cutting short their vacations because they said they wanted to save a woman with brain damage.  Now they have a chance to save millions of children from brain damage.  Why aren't they taking it?"  

    Bonus concept:  "Why is the bond between a woman and her husband less important to them than the bond between a polluter and your health?"

    But that's just me...

    "Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing." -- Joseph Heller

    by Roddy McCorley on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:36:33 AM PDT

    •  culture of industry profits (none / 0)

      So as long as it doesn't cost too much, you can have a "culture of life."

      "Health advocates say mercury is so harmful to fetuses and pregnant women that steps are needed to sharply control emissions; industry groups and the Bush administration have warned that overly aggressive measures would impose heavy costs. "

  •  Some folks just don't want to know about science (none / 0)

    IMAX theaters in several Southern cities have decided not to show a film on volcanoes out of concern that its references to evolution might offend those with fundamental religious beliefs.

    "We've got to pick a film that's going to sell in our area. If it's not going to sell, we're not going to take it," said Lisa Buzzelli, director of an IMAX theater in Charleston that is not showing the movie. "Many people here believe in creationism, not evolution."

    The film, "Volcanoes of the Deep Sea," makes a connection between human DNA and microbes inside undersea volcanoes.

    Buzzelli doesn't rule out showing the movie in the future.

    IMAX theaters in Texas, Georgia and the Carolinas have declined to show the film, said Pietro Serapiglia, who handles distribution for Stephen Low, the film's Montreal-based director and producer.

    "I find it's only in the South," Serapiglia said.

    Critics worry screening out films that mention evolution will discourage the production of others in the future.

    "It's going to restrain the creative approach by directors who refer to evolution," said Joe DeAmicis, vice president for marketing at the California Science Center in Los Angeles and a former director of an IMAX theater. "References to evolution will be dropped."

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050323/ap_on_en_mo/volcano_movie_5

    I'm not going anywhere. I'm standing up, which is how one speaks in opposition in a civilized world. - Ainsley Hayes

    by jillian on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:39:13 AM PDT

  •  Ask the Japanese about Mercury (4.00 / 2)


    "In the 1960s, hundreds of inhabitants of Minamata City in Kumamoto Prefecture contracted 'Minamata disease,' a degeneration of the central nervous system caused by eating mercury-poisoned seafood from Minamata Bay (nearly 1,300 cases of Minamata disease had been diagnosed by 1979)."

     This, along with industrial cadmium poisoning in Toyama Prefecture (causing "itai-itai byoo" or pain-pain disease) helped foment a true consumerism and cries for governmental and industrial accountability to the People in the '60s and '70s.  Japan has some pretty damn stringent environmental laws now (though, with half the pop. of the U.S. crammed into a nation the size of California, and half of that uninhabitable due to mountains, it's still pretty damn polluted -- but the cities are very, very "clean" by most U.S. standards).

     BenGoshi
    __________________
     

    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:40:49 AM PDT

  •  Speed reading can really cause problems (none / 0)

    when you miss the source---The Onion.

    I almost fell out of my chair.  Thanks for the initial heart attack and subsequent laugh.  Not sure if the flutter in my heart was worth the laugh though.  

    Thanks again.

    What would Jesus Do? He would impeach Bush.

    (-6.75, -3.85)

    by mapKY on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:45:20 AM PDT

  •  George Bush Presidential Library (none / 0)

    I wish you guys could have seen a sculpture I made last year that was based on Bush's disgusting warping & censoring of science..

    called the "George W Bush Presidential Library" the piece had dozens and dozens of science books that were burned and scorched

    I think I need to update it and display it somewhere again....more attention needs to be paid to Bush's horrible reord here...we can all disagree on so many things....but science is the pursuit of TRUTH above all

    like Moynihan said "you can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts"

  •  Bush is doing by rule (4.00 / 3)

    what he cant get passed as law through Congress.  And Congress is rolling over and playing dead.

    My career is focused on evaluation of risk from toxic chemicals.  There are many chemicals that have been not characterized correctly, or the risks have been greatly exagerated.  Mercury, however, presents a major risk to the developing nervous system; it's not particularly good for the adult nervous system either--for example the Mad Hatter was a stereotype victim of mercury poisoning; in Lewis Carroll's day hatters used mercury in the process of felting wool for hats.

    It does not breakdown in the environment; it may be changed environmentally (by microbes) to an even more toxic form (methyl mercury), and risk mitigation measures like "trading emissions" which may work to an extent for materials like CO2 which diffuse in the atmosphere do not work for mercury because of local deposition.  Further, BAT (best available technology for reducing emissions is available--yes, it is expensive) but when it comes to a known neurotoxin which bioaccumulates, the cost as correctly pointed out in the Harvard study is small change.

    EPA does not have control when Bush enacts these types of things by rule--the dictator has spoken.  (There are a lot of dedicated career employees at EPA who are far from thrilled regarding this approach.) And Congress is too cowed or cowardly to protest.  And the media is too busy worrying about Terri or the distraction de jour.

    [Note these views are my own and do not necessarily represent the views of my employer.]

    Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!

    by barbwires on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 11:48:35 AM PDT

  •  Well ,while it is better than tossing a coin (none / 1)

    our obsession with giving science the same control that religion once held over politics is something that I have had a growing discomfort with. Over the years I have noted that the way scientists look at science and the way the public does and the resulting political deciomaking based on that understanding widely differ.

    As a whole scientists will always tell you that they now that any scientific understanding today is subject to almost total reversal tomorrow. But both the public and politicians who bleeive in science, seem to treat scientific truth as immutable. And unfortunatelym the rudder of the political ship does not turn as fast as that of the scientific community.

    And while as a group, the scientific community seems to indicate that it knows that its ideas can change in a heartbeat, indicidual scientists will fight as viciously as a mother tiger protecting a cub regarding any theory that they have been the parent of, or even a close relative of. History has shown that the experts in the scientific world have almost always violently argued against new ideas, anad almost alwys have been wrong when they did so. Nobel prose winning scinetists arguing that the theories of the latest upstart generation of geniuses are simply hogwash.

    I gew up with a fascination for science, though not much of an aptitude for it. Amateur astronomer for over 45 years. Amateur naturalist, etc. While I heartily agree on saving the enviroment, I don't generally advise using scientific arguments to do so. Like myself, a lot of people have a sort of awe of people who have the aptitude, if it is not immedialtely apparent that the seals are rising, for most people, only their just paid off mortgage and submerges home and inadequate flood insurance would convince me of the urgency of global warming.

    I think arguments that are more emotional and more immienent are going to be needed before these things will be taken seriously.

    Every one has heard that eventually the a comet, asteroid, or large meteor is going to change its address and subdivide the crust of the planet eventually. But not today, probably not tomorrow. Which becomes probably not my lifetime in short order. The sun will explode in some billions of years. When its immenent let us know is the battle cry of the average American. Even if it is imminent, we can alwayts simply not pay attention.

    The Bush Administration's war on science is pretty much irrelevant. Even if scinece surrenders, or even more unlikely, BUsh surrenders, it womt make much of a difference. The America public in general really doenst care anyway, and more to the point will not want to suffer any sort of economic consequence for acting now rather than later. In America politics, Better to put off what you can until tomorrow if you are able to. Especially if it will mean I cant afford to take my vacation to *** this year as a consequence. If **** may no longer be there is less of an issue.

    Anyway, the errors of making decisions bases on science are too numerous to count.  

    •  Science vs. Policy... (4.00 / 3)

      Science is the best method humans have come up with to determine facts. Your claim that science often changes its mind or reverses course is misleading and one pseudoscientists have always used to cling to theories that do not hold up to scientific scrutiny. We know science works because it tests its own predictions and modifies to fit new data. It's why we have cars and TVs.

      Einstien could be said to have "disproved" Newton's laws, except that Newton is still one of the most revolutionary moments in science, and his theories are still used today by engineers to build everything from bridges to planes. Einstien only becomes pertinent at relativistic speeds, etc. So it's more an ever evolving refinement of what we know. Discovering, for instance, that the Earth is actually more oval than round does not mean the flat earthers can jump up and down in victory. The idea of a round Earth is a far better understanding of the universe than they hold.

      What we have to do is make a distinction between facts - that which we determine through scientific experiment and analysis - and policy. Whether or not to support Kyoto or drilling in Alaska or pulling the plug on Schiavo or invading Iraq are matters of policy, something we can feel strongly about and debate. But Iraq had no WMD.  Schiavo's brain is dead and she won't likely recover. The Earth is warming due to the burning of fossil fuels and, sorry folks, animals evolve.

      These are not up to debate.  Whether you take a position on one side or the other on what to do about it is a matter for politics, but facts are a matter for science and ought not to be interfered with as Bush has done. Let's not all become "factual relativists" where 1 + 1 = 4 depends on your POV.  Leave science to the scientists, not clergy and political hacks.

      •  It has not been pseudo scientists who have (none / 0)

        opposed the ideas of the scientist making new discoverues, but more often than not, the leading experts.

        Like Lord Ruttherford, discoverer of the neutron and the model of the atom that made fission possible totally riduculed the idea of uysing the atom as a source of energy or a weapon,.

        Winner of the Nobel Prize in Physics, he made his discovery in 1932. The first fission reactor went active a decade later, The fission bomb, a bit later.

        Other statements frm the experts. THe scientists leading the Manhattan Project all had very strong and real fears that the comb would create such heat that it would result in a chain reaction of oxygen and nitrogen that would turn the entire atmosphere of the earth into nitrous oxide. (yeah we would get a big laugh out if that, but not for long)

        How about the experts who stated that heavier than air flight was impossible.

        Or that the development of automobiles that could move faster than thirty miles and hour would be dealy due to the massive G Forces at that hugh speed. (The real point for fatality is more like 30 G Forces not 30 mph). This had real concern and in fact can be true as the neck can snap during hairpin turns at 30 mph.
        But we know better now, dont we?

        Sound barrier anyone?

        Both scientists and engineers beleive it an im-penetrable barrier.Even though there was no theoretical reason it could notr be broken, the engineeering problems were based on the fact that nothing in nature was beleived to be able to create the engineering conditions necessary to actually do so.

        The speed of light anybody? This is different as it is a theoretical limit.

        Or is it, because the theory is slaos based on the idea that nothing that exists in nature can exceed this speed, though for physical reasons, not engineeering reasons as with sound.
        But I have no doubt that the people today who are theorizing that this limit can be broken will figure out how to do it, while the experts, as usual, will be proven totally wrong.

        Dont get me wrong. As a kid and adult whose hobbies are basically ones having to do with science, I give them their due. But they are freqently wrong.

        Most of the reasons that the experts made the statements they made that were wrong were based firmly on the scientific method and on testing.

        Sorry, using science as a method of convincing people to support something is usually barking up the wrong tree.

        No one voted on the atom bomb, and had they released the theory about the possible last laugh, I bet it would have been voted down based on the idea that it would be better to invade Japan and risk millions of Allied lives than take the chances that the earth would breath its last before the weapon could be used in war.

        To be honest, something a little closer to the heart and to the wallet is required.

        I am reminded of the scene from Woddy Allens "Sleeper" were talking about the beliefs in the 20th century about tobacco and red meat.
        That they were beleived to be harmful, the exact opposite of what the science of the cnntury they lived in knew to be true.

        Allen was taking a very good and very true jab at science. Or at least the popular beliefs that exist about it, as well as the legislative efforts made as a result of current scientific claims.

        •  Hypothesis vs. theory... (none / 1)

          I don't think there were tests proving the sound barrier was unbreakable, or that the atom couldn't be used as a bomb. Show me the studies published in scientific journals at the time that demonstrated this. You're taking the opinions of scientists and claiming these were tested in laboratories and backed up by results. That's simply not the case.

          Before something has been proven, scientists throw up all sorts of ideas and concerns, many of which you raise here. That makes them at best hypotheses, and no one claims hypotheses are proven. It wasn't until these ideas were put to the test that we found them to be founded or false. That's the scientific process. It's not an example of science's failings, but it's power. That's why science works, because scientists can throw up ideas, no matter how crazy, and then see if they hold up to experiment.

          •  Lord Rutherford (none / 0)

            Won the nobel prize and totally riduled the idea that not nothing could be done to atoms to get energy out of them He diened the possiblility of the development of any kind of nucleal reactor. Kind of unusial for the man who's discovery of the nature of the atom's nucleus.

            It was Rutherfords own testing that which resulted in the discovery of the netron and the nucleus of the atom that led him to beleive that even if the nucleas could be split, it would be self limitin ( he did not beleive that any experimentation had proven that a sustained chain reaction was possible his interpretation of the testing that he and others had done had proven that a chain reaction would fizzle out and not fissile out.

            **************
            1933
            Leo Szilard, a Hungarian physicist who took refuge in London from Nazi Germany, reads about a speech in which Lord Rutherford ridiculed the idea of using the transformation of atoms as a source of power. Szilard realizes that, "if we could find an element which is split by neutrons, and which would emit two neutrons when it absorbs one neutron, such an element could sustain a nuclear chain reaction."  

            http://www.fi.edu/guide/wester/history.html

            There in the newspaper he read the remark of Lord Rutherford, discoverer of the nucleus. - Anyone who looked for a source of power in the transformation of atoms was talking moonshine. - He disliked hearing "impossible" and got the idea of neutron chain reaction: if the neutron (the recently discovered neutral nuclear particle) induces a nuclear reaction, in which - beside energy - also two neutrons are liberated, then these neutrons may induce two reactions, resulting in four neutrons, and so on. His idea was not welcome by Lord Rutherford

            http://www.kfki.hu/fszemle/archivum/fsz9905/marx1.html

            Engineers tested all available materials and possible ways of creating engines that could exceed the sound barrier and concluded that the  
            while it was possible theoreticallt to break the barrier, there were no material in nature thatwould not be destroyed in the attempt, or any possible engine configuration that would not either flare out or burn up  in the attempt:

            As the speed of the object approaches the speed of sound, the flight Mach number is nearly equal to one, M = 1, and the flow is said to be transonic. At some places on the object, the local speed exceeds the speed of sound. Compressibility effects are most important in transonic flows and lead to the early belief in a sound barrier. Flight faster than sound was thought to be impossible. In fact, the sound barrier was only an increase in the drag near sonic conditions because of compressibility effects. Because of the high drag associated with compressibility effects, aircraft do not cruise near Mach 1.

            http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/mach.html

            At the time, many aircraft had disintegrated in flight as they approached the speed of sound (or Mach 1) due to the compressibility of the air in front of the craft. Many aeronautical engineers had drawn the conclusion that it was scientifically impossible to break the barrier when Yeager flew a rocket-powered XS-1

            http://www.voicenet.com/~lpadilla/yeager.html

            Similar things with the human body not being able to tolerate the extreme speed of 30 mph. Tests with dummies and other models designed to simulate the human lungs were performed in which it was determined that turning a vehicle at those un-natural speeds would break the neck, and that the air would be crushed out of the lungs by the G Forces.

            FISSION AGAIN:

            Seventy years ago, Professor Dr Otto Hahn, Director of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Berlin, wrote in a German newspaper a most remarkably prophetic story. It was titled `The Atom, the Source of Power of the Future'. Why was it remarkable? Well, although the energy bound within the nucleus of atoms was already known to be quite enormous, Lord Rutherford, the father of nuclear physics, who taught Hahn, had dismissed as `pure moonshine' any thought of harnessing nuclear energy for practical purposes. Because of his eminence Rutherford's word could not be taken lightly. In fact he is regarded by a recent consensus of his peers, as one of the greatest physicists of all time.

            However Rutherford's opinion did not deter his German protégé from predicting a bright future for nuclear energy, even though nobody at the time knew how it could possibly be achieved.

            A year after Dr Hahn published his prediction, a Hungarian émigré, Dr Leo Szilard, while traversing a pedestrian crossing in London, suddenly, in a flash of inspiration, conceived the idea of a chain reaction, which he then patented, but he could not see how it might be accomplished.

            Lord Rutherford died, prematurely, in 1937 still believing that the large scale release of nuclear energy would be impossible. Barely two years later Otto Hahn made possible the impossible by discovering nuclear fission. Suddenly Leo Szilard's concept of a chain reaction could be applied in practice, with results that are now all too familiar.

            http://www.uic.com.au/KeayOckhamsRazorFeb02.htm

            Rutherfords experimentation in radioactive decay led him directly to this opinion. All of Rutherfords beliefs were based on the extensive experimental expericence he had in both the discovery of three separate types or radiation in the first decade of the 20th Century, The discovery of radioactive decay in the second decade, and finally, the discovery of the nucleus and neutron of the atom. If anyone had the experimental information it was Rutherford, who had absolutely no use for the theortetical physics of Einstein, or Quantum Mechanics, or the theoreticians of the Manhattan Project.

            In Rutherfords papers and notes he is found congratulatingcollegues for escaping from theoretical physics:

            But whenever possible he worked in the Cavendish Laboratory, where he encouraged students, probed for the facts, and always sought an explanation in simple terms. When in 1934 Enrico Fermi in Rome successfully disintegrated many different elements with neutrons, Rutherford wrote to congratulate him "for escaping from theoretical physics.

            "http://www.britannica.com/nobel/macro/5005_61.html

            He had the experimental experience that led to this conclusion. Hanh and Szilard's beliefs that a susstained chain reaction was possible was completely theoretical at the time, There was no experimental observation to back up their opinion.

            Basically, if it hadnt been proven by experiment, it wasnt possible according to Rutherford.

            And during his lifetime, no one had even remotely been able to perform an experiment that even remotely indicated that splitting an atom was possible.

            Two years after his death, Hanh succeeded in discovering fission.

  •  Mercury and JESUS (none / 0)

    I don't see nowhere in the Constitution where it mentions mercury nor in the bible, so why are u "libruls" so worried about it? Hell, when the rapture comes along and all us "GOOD" Christians are lifted right out of our clothes ( boy I bet that's going to be cold if it happens in Jan.) and get to watch all of u boil in hell it isn't going to matter how much mercury is in your swordfish is it? So calm down ur going to need some of that mercury to tell u how hot it is in hell anyway.

    "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

    by Blutodog on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 12:05:19 PM PDT

  •  Seeking Interviews with Government Scientists! (none / 0)

    Hello!

    I'm planning to do a masters thesis on the politicization of science under the bush administration.  I am seeking current or former government employees in the EPA (or other agencies perhaps) who have dealt with this on the ground.

    please email me at gove at nature dot berkeley dott edu

    Poor me, I dig myself holes! Somebody marry me, I'm getting old! -- Sole

    by MediaRevolution on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 12:10:10 PM PDT

  •  If we actually had an opposition, (4.00 / 2)

    and not just the Democratic Party, we'd be seeing video of mercury-damaged kids and adults and hearing how Bush and the GOP think it's OK to make more victims like this because it would cost the energy industry money to stop it. We'd be seeing this in contrast to Bush's "choose life" bullshit.

    We'd be noticing a meta-theme emerging in the media that ties everything -- the Schiavo grandstanding, the mercury poisoning, the attack on our parents and grandparents, the attack on malpractice lawsuits like the one that financed Terri Schiavo's care -- into a consistent revelation of a president and a party who choose anti-life and anti-human at every turn. We'd be seeing video of the kid in Texas who was allowed to die against his mother's pleas because she didn't have the money to pay to keep his heart beating, and we'd know that this was the precise intent of a law that Bush signed.

    We'd be seeing all this and more because the opposition would be flooding the media with statements, news releases, video news releases, B-roll, demonstrations, and all the rest of the the propaganda arsenal.  We'd be seeing ads from advocacy groups making the same points. We'd be burying the GOP for the next few decades.

    But no, we just have the Democratic Party. We'd rather make timid little statements that nobody hears and then complain about how Fox is lying about us.

    This is supposed to be a Dem board. So please, somebody tell me how wrong and mean I am. Show me the VNRs and B-rolls and news releases that the media is just ignoring. Please.

    Everybody talkin' 'bout Heaven ain't goin' there -- Mahalia Jackson

    by DaveW on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 12:12:55 PM PDT

    •  Exactly (4.00 / 2)

      A lot of people think of the dems as wimps.  They seem to have no real passion or consistency.  Good grief, these repugs are handing over gift after gift on silver platters and the dems don't take advantage of them.  Can you imagine if the roles were reversed?  The repugs would be making serious hay.
  •  A Culture of Life Opportunity (none / 1)

    Think of all the poor innocent little fetuses who will be assaulted by this terroristic chemical.  There must be a way to tap into the right to life community on this one.  

    As an environmental lawyer who practices the law of toxic chemicals, I've never understood why our side never tries to make common cause with the fetus fetishists on chemcials, like Mercury, that cause birth defects and developmental toxicity.  I would think the notion of sacrificing fetuses so coal companies can make a few more bucks would be deeply offensive to people who really care about the unborn.

    The leaders of the anti-abortion movement might not really give a shit, but this should be an actual way to drive a wedge between the right-to-lifers and the people who are manipulating their concerns for political gain.

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 12:18:26 PM PDT

  •  Name Changes (none / 0)

    They could change Justice Department to

    Department of Personal Intrusion

    but that make it so difficult to read because of the increased word count.

    From the lower, left quadrant of the political compass (www.politicalcompass.org), DrKen

    by DrKen on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 12:22:15 PM PDT

  •  Unapproved GM seed use kept secret by EPA and Ag (none / 0)

    Mother Nature bats last.

    by pigpaste on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 12:24:33 PM PDT

  •  The critical line here is... (none / 1)

    officials emphasized that the controls could not be more aggressive because the cost to industry already far exceeded the public health payoff.

    So even if it were true, the takehome message is that health is secondary to cost.  Gee - isn't that exactly the opposite of what they're saying about Schiavo?

    Any children on life-support due to mercury poisoning?

    Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. -- Henrik Ibsen

    by mik on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 01:00:04 PM PDT

  •  "Superstition", (none / 0)

    the opposite of science.

    I'm just surprised we don't hear that word, but it seems to have lost its punch in the past century.

    I don't think of it often, either; but I do, anytime I hear Stevie Wonder's song about it, "...when you believe in things that you don't understand/ then you'll suffer."

    The whole Creationism foray is a camel's nose to legitimize the return of organized Superstition, for future political uses.  In a subjugated serf population, superstitious belief beats science any day!  Pretty soon, we'll be back to the Divine Right of Kings.

    If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State...

    by HenryDavid on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 01:22:35 PM PDT

  •  This is where the Left is failing... (none / 1)

    it in part, it their own fault.

    I just ran a "find" on the comments so far, and nowhere found the word "autism" on this page.

    Just last week, the LA Times reported on a new study out of Texas which found a stunning correlation between areas with high mercury emissions, and autism rates.

    Now, this is something that those of us with autistic kids have been screaming about for years, only to have most of the Left recoil from us as if we'd claimed aliens abducted our kids and left them autistic.  I remember when we were fighting the Homeland Security Bill's midnight provisions, one of which gave Eli Lilly a get-out-of-jail-free card for its role in thimerosal production, and I contacted Move On because they had left out that info in their "call to arms", focusing instead on the other issues, such as corporate offshoring.  They responded that it was too controversial an issue - despite the fact that over 30 million children were injected with 100 times the EPA's allowable dose of mercury.

    Calling out mercury pushers, whether it be pharmacueticals or powerplants would be a huge plus for Democrats, as so many children are potentially effected, and the severe effects are devastating.  Autism rates in since 1990 are up over 1000% in this country - in Maine alone, it's now twice that (in 1990, there were 100 autistic children - now there are over 2000.)  Large parts of Maine were just designated by the EPA to be in mercury "hot spots", where levels are well above acceptable.

    This is not "junk science" and Democrats are stupid to treat it as such.  It's time for Democrats to have some spine on this issue, and prevent another half-million mercury injuries in our children in the next decade.

  •  Please SC (none / 0)

    call or email Lisa Buzzelli at the IMAX theater in Charleston and tell her that she is a wacko...  Or tell her how you feel about this:

    CHARLESTON, South Carolina (AP) -- IMAX theaters in several Southern cities have decided not to show a film on volcanoes out of concern that its references to evolution might offend those with fundamental religious beliefs.

    "We've got to pick a film that's going to sell in our area. If it's not going to sell, we're not going to take it," said Lisa Buzzelli, director of an IMAX theater in Charleston that is not showing the movie. "Many people here believe in creationism, not evolution."

    The film, "Volcanoes of the Deep Sea," makes a connection between human DNA and microbes inside undersea volcanoes.

    Buzzelli doesn't rule out showing the movie in the future.

    IMAX theaters in Texas, Georgia and the Carolinas have declined to show the film, said Pietro Serapiglia, who handles distribution for Stephen Low, the film's Montreal-based director and producer.

    "I find it's only in the South," Serapiglia said.

    Critics worry screening out films that mention evolution will discourage the production of others in the future.

    "It's going to restrain the creative approach by directors who refer to evolution," said Joe DeAmicis, vice president for marketing at the California Science Center in Los Angeles and a former director of an IMAX theater. "References to evolution will be dropped."

    you can contact Lisa Buzzelli and let her know what you think of their policy ---

    via email at

    lbuzzelli@charlestonimax.com

    or call her at

    843.725.4631

    This $h!T makes me crazy, I need a Xanax...

    I'm not so liberal that I unwaveringly support capitulators.

    by hfiend on Wed Mar 23, 2005 at 01:40:51 PM PDT

    •  Meh (none / 0)

      She's basically saying there would be no market for said film in the area where the theater is in.  It's a business decision.  Knowing how backward large parts of the south are, she may very well be accurate.  The only way to change her mind would be if you live in the area and say you want to buy tickets (and then do so).
  •  Bush's science (none / 0)

    I'd like those Repubs to please give a rational explanation of why money is more important than people's lives.

    Well, maybe somebody has, in some neocon journal.

  •  I wonder (none / 0)

     Why didn't Bush just appoint Lysenko to the EPA? Who cares if he's dead - the effect is the same.
  •  Stay focussed! (none / 1)

    Indeed, I'm tired of watching the blogosphere get played like a super Nintendo on this crap. First it was Swift Boat Liars, then Dan Rather, then the damned steroids, now this. We keep getting taken for a ride. Stop it.

    I mean, the corporate media is a tool of the Repugnicans. I expect them to just follow along with whatever Karl Rove decides is going to be the spectacle-of-the-moment. But what's our excuse? Why do we even bother writing/commenting about made-up artificial "stories" like that Schaivo Schifezza?

    It's like people who stop to rubberneck at an accident. KEEP MOVING, PEOPLE! There's nothing to see... oooh.. dead bodies... just keep driving if you want to get where you want to go.

    The wingnuts know how to do this: they simply ignore stories that they don't consider important, or, they find a way to bring it back to what they want to talk about. Sometimes they're very creative in the contortions they'll go through, but they always stay on-topic. I suggest we must do the same, or risk getting chumped again.

    I would like to see bloggers establish a pact: the next time one of these DeLay/Frist clowns tries to make up a story to distract us: don't ever write or talk about it except just one sentence or a headline, and then bring it back to the goddamned talking points, the issues that we want to drive.

    Example: this whole Schiavo mess reminds me about Social Security-- Bush is trying to keep the feeding tube in his plan, but it's brain-dead and should be allowed to die.

    A lot of people mention the DeLay corruption by way of whining about the wag-the-dog nature of this whole "culture of life" controversy. But that's just getting sucked in even worse-- it presumes we've lost if we're whining about how effective they are. But I haven't seen anyone just REFUSE to cover it, except in a perfunctory way before getting back on topic. Which really I think is all the attention it deserves.

    So: enough with the steroids and the goddamned feeding tube. I refuse to be outraged by that, or even outraged by the outrage about it. I'm still outraged about selling out our Social Security to Wall Street, about DeLay taking bribes from and selling us out to South Korea and Enwrong. And the   continued carnage in Iraq. And the lack of clean elections laws in 48 states. And the corporate ownership of every idea and creative act of any person in this country. And a million other things.

    Yes, posts on most of these issues have kept coming throughout all this steroid/tube crap. So I think things have improved since the Rathergate days. But Rove can still throw us off topic for days or weeks at a time. I'd like to see a day soon where the "big story" of the day bounces off of the blogosphere with a big shrug and a sentence or two of passing mention.

    If the corporate media wants to manufacture pathos to keep people glued to the TV, let 'em. And if Rove wants to go out of his way to outrage us to distract us from the things we should be outraged by, too bad, I ain't buying. I don't own a TV. And it's annoying to see bloggers get sucked into the TV-story vortex.

    End of rant. Please, please, please: next time one of these ridiculous media shitstorms comes around, please recognise it as the distraction it is, and refuse to give it any air. The agenda you save may be your own.

    by goatchowder on