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UPDATED: Arnold cronies and scare tactics - Press conference TODAY

Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 11:25:21 AM PDT

Intimidation and Scare Tactics: The tools of the Right

From the desk of  The Free Speech Zone with special thanks to Zack Kaldveer, who is a part of an anti-arnold media task force, and who brought this to my attention. Questions can be directed to him at 'kaldveer - at - yahoo.com'

More intimidation and scare tactic from the Right. This time it is Arnold cronies who are doing their best to make sure the opposition is stiffled. Below is the personal account of a woman engaging in her first ammendment rights when she was confronted in a rather frightening manner by those who wish her message would never be heard.

Read her story after the jump....

UPDATE Zack has just informed me that Phil Angelides ( California State Treasurer) & Assemblyman Mark Leno are holding a dual Press Conference on this story TODAY. More information when it becomes available.

Here is a message from Zack:
"The question to ask is why is the "peoples' governor" hiring out of state signature gatherers, some of which are allegedly felons, to intimidate and threaten young teachers out of standing up to his attempt to reduce their job security (as if teachers don't have it bad enough in our society...why not go after Ken Lay Arnold...oh yeah....you guys are allies)? Strange that this "man of the people" picks teachers and nurses as his enemies (and calls them "special interests") as he raises record sums of money from giant corporations that depend on his anti-consumer, pro-corporate agenda (see chart of where his $$ come from HERE). Could this former steroid using body builder, turned shitty actor and serial woman groper, turned two-faced poltical con-artist, not be the "People's Governor" he claims to be? I'm inclined to say "yes". This man needs to be exposed for what he is, and this is one more story that does this, now it depends on us to get the truth to the people". - Zack

Below is the letter sent by Erica to Assemblyman Mark Leno regarding her frightening experiences having her voice heard. .



My name is Erica and I am a graduate student at San Francisco State. I am student teaching in Berkeley, specializing in Deaf/hard-of-hearing Education. In brief, I decided to go out alone and stand near a man who was collecting initiative signatures in front of the store. I was wearing a laminated, hand-made sign that read, "I am a teacher against Arnold's special election......ask me why".

I was shocked to encounter his immediate intimidation and threatening language. Within the first five minutes he said the following, "I'm going to call and get thirty guys down here. You won't be here long. There  isn't a problem too big I can't handle. You won't last long". And from there it became completely out of control. Fifteen people arrived and attempted to surround me, hurling abrasive insults with aggressive voices. I was afraid for my safety. My husband and four  other people drove down to protect me. I called the  police.

The tactics were unbelievable. I stayed there four five  hours in the rain under those conditions. I left with purple lips, shivering and all of us were followed to our cars. They wrote down license plate numbers. It was awful.

What is worse, they are all from Michigan!! They are paid by the signature and they have no vested interest in the welfare of California. It is ironic that Arnold claims to protect Californian's jobs, yet people are being flown in from other states to support his initiatives.

The story is much richer than I can explain in brief. I was interviewed my KPFA and the Contra Costa Times today. KPFA will air the story at 6:00pm tonight.

Please do not hesitate to discus this story with anyone. However, my husband and I would prefer to release my first name only at this time. We have reason to believe these people have criminal records. In fact one women admitted to being a felon. Feel free to contact me for more detailed information.

Thank you for you time!


This kind of intimidation is unacceptable in my opinion. The fact that the intimidation thugs used for this nonsense are not even from California is a clear indication of  the kind of morals and mind set that is being used by the opposition in this matter.

The Contra Costa Times has more on the story (Registration required - name in article changed by me to "Erika"):


Petitioners claim foes play dirty

Dueling signature-gatherers squaring off on the sidewalks of California's shopping centers create a potentially  explosive mix that has already ignited in Pleasant Hill.

Members of California for Democracy, the state arm of
Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean's grass-roots political network, accuse petition workers for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's reforms of using intimidation tactics as both sides appealed to Target shoppers Tuesday night.

Two Democratic activists said their opponents made inappropriate comments and followed them to their cars, where they took pictures of or wrote down their license plate numbers.

The battle is over the governor's reform package, which would replace public pensions with private accounts, enact budget reforms, pay teachers based on performance and change how the state draws its political boundaries. [...]

A spokesman for Citizens to Save California, which hired  the petition workers, said late Wednesday that he had no details of the Target incident and would investigate the allegations.

"What I do know is that union bosses have told their rank-and-file members to harass our signature-gatherers and disrupt the process," Reed Dickens said. [...]

The dust-up began when Erika arrived Tuesday afternoon at Target, wearing a sign that read, "I'm a teacher against Arnold's special election. Ask me why." [...]

A man already stationed at the store, where he was gathering signatures for the governor's petitions, accused her of interfering with his job and "told me 'I'm going to call and get 30 of my guys here. You won't last,' " Erika said.

"Slowly, people started to gather," Erika  said. "They surrounded me. Some tried to pretend they were regular citizens and tried to goad me into a confrontation. They were doing everything they could to intimidate me to leave."

Erika called the police and her political activist  colleagues, telling them that she feared for her safety.

The police separated the warring factions, but members of both sides remained and continued their efforts to collect signatures.

During the next few hours, Erika and Klein said, the signature-gatherers for the governor repeatedly positioned themselves close to their opponents, then yelled out in a theatrical manner, "Stop shoving me!"

One man pounded his fist on one petition and said, "This job, petitioning, can be very dangerous," Klein recounted.

More


Arnold, who ran on the promise of improving California is now seeing his worst nightmare come true. His promises to work for the people can only bee seen as a smoke screen with this kind of intimidation tactics being used against  the very people he would claim to be protecting.

I urge the Blog community to attack this with full force. This is important. Arnold must not claim to have the interest of the people and then refuse to back up his words with action.

SOME UPDATES FROM THE COMMENTS:

The conduct Erica describes constitutes a violation of Penal Code Sec. 422 -- "terrorist threats" .  The statute punishes threats of bodily harm which are so unequivocal and immediate as to cause the person threatened to be in sustained fear for her safety.  Not only is it a felony, but it is a "strike." Thanks to Arnold's lobbying, a ballot initative that would have made the 3-Strikes law more reasonable, was defeated.  Erica should follow up with the police and urge them to investigate this crime and present it to the District Attorney for prosecution as a PC 422 violation.  Also, they could be sued under R.I.C.O.
Comment by zdefender

THINK BEFORE YOU SIGN THAT PETITION
  • If you sign the petitions, Governor Schwarzenegger will call for a special election in November. This unnecessary election will cost California taxpayers $70 million (which has to come from somewhere), while our state wastes away under a $15 billion debt. Wouldn't that $70 million be better spent funding our schools or fixing our roads?

  • Petition gatherers are paid $5.00 for each signature, including yours.

  • Schwarzenegger is raising $50 million this year, mainly from Wall Street and out-of-state interests, to pay the petitioners, run TV ads and buy your vote.

  • His aim is to privatize California Pension Funds and give away our public servants' hard earned retirement funds to the same Wall Street barons that made billions off of Enron.

  • California Pension Funds benefit our police, firefighters, teachers, nurses, trash collectors and other public employees, many of whom aren't covered by Social Security so there is no safety net if the privatized pensions lose money.

  • Families of police and firefighters who die in the line of duty would have survivor benefits all but eliminated.

  • For more than 150 years redistricting has taken place every 10 years. After the 2000 census Republicans and Democrats agreed on a redistricting plan for the next 10 years. But Schwarzenegger wants to redistrict now instead of waiting until the next census, changing the rules (that his party agreed to!) in the middle of the game.

  • Schwarzenegger got elected promising to take the dirty money out of politics - but he's received more corporate and special interest PAC money than anyone in California history.

HOW YOU CAN HELP
Steps you can take, from the easiest to most involved, depending on your level of outrage:

  • EDUCATE your friends and neighbors about the damage Arnold's policies cause to working Californians, for the benefit of Wall Street barons.

  • WRITE a letter to your State Representative asking them to not back down. Go to http://www.assembly.ca.gov/ and click on "Find my District" to locate addresses for your State Representatives.

  • INFORM your fellow citizens of the facts so paid petition gatherers cannot get enough signatures to have this election and waste $70 million dollars of hard-earned taxpayer money. Whenever you see a petition gatherer, stand next to them and inform people stopping by of the cost and dangers. Be polite, but firm. Have copies of this flyer available to distribute. Download a copy from www.valleyfordemocracy.com.

  • PROTEST Arnold wherever he goes. These protests have begun to get media attention and help focus the issue on Arnold's weaknesses, broken promises and the right-wing agenda behind his so-called "moderate" stance. Look for protest information at these websites:

http://www.arnoldwatch.org (click on "Get Involved")
http://www.speakoutca.org (click on "Join Now")
http://www.calnurses.org (click on "Patient Advocacy Action Center" under "Get Involved")
http://www.cta.org/PoliticsandLegislation/PAL.htm

Flyer prepared by Valley for Democracy www.valleyfordemocracy.com. Not affiliated with any candidate or candidate committee. Permission granted to make copies of this flyer in its entirety. Printed in-house, labor donated.


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  •  Errr....12 diaries in one day? (1.05 / 37)

    Unless I cant count, or are counting the wrong thing...thats what I come up with.

    Perhaps you didn't read the thing that says 2 diaries in a day, max?

    •  NEVERMIND (4.00 / 18)

      i was counting the wrong thing. damn i'm dumb
      •  great post!!!!! (none / 0)

        I was so engaged in that story all the way to end and... then read your note.

        one thing that drives me crazy on this site is when the first post is hyper critical.  

        My first thought was -- fuck who cares - this is important stuff!!!...but then I see you were just wrong - in fact you were going out of your way to be overly critical.

        This CA stuff is scary and it affects all of us--we need to pay attention. this will come back to bite the entire country.

        Why do voters wear signs that say please kick me? how do repukes get people to vote against themselves???

        Good job on the diary. very engaging.

        "...I was worried about what he'd do to the economy... muck up the drinking water...the failure of my pessimistic imagination...boggles my mind" Sarah Vowell

        by CrazyDem on Fri Mar 25, 2005 at 04:13:24 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  I dont follow you.... (4.00 / 2)

      This is my first diary of the day.

      previous diary was yesterday. Before that it had been weeeeks since I wrote anything.

      Like I said... I dont follow.....

    •  This post is an excellent example (none / 0)

      of the rampant misuse of zero ratings on DailyKos. The guy screwed up, and apologized for it, but both his screwup and apology gets hidden although not coming anywhere close to the requirements for a zero rating, which are:

      0 is a "super-troll" comment.  Generally speaking, 0s are reserved for auto-generated comments, or for comments that serve no other purpose than to sow hurt, confusion and dissent among the posters.  Only Trusted Users may give 0s.

      Honest screwups aren't intended to sow hurt, confusion or dissent among posters. Please, people, be more careful with your zero ratings.

      •  Read the followup (none / 0)

        He asks for zeros to make the post disappear.  If the average drops below one, the post and its followups are hidden.  The zero-raters don't think the Admiral is a troll, but since he can't delete his brain-fart, this is the best alternative.
        •  Not really (none / 1)

          Best to just leave it. Those of use who peruse the hidden comments for improper use of zeroes to censor don't have much context except the post itself to go on. There's a reason we can't delete our own posts.
          •  That's moronic (none / 0)

            I don't see any point in keeping this ridiculously long thread of comments on a procedural point where the commenter made a mistake.  Please, everyone let's zero this thread out.
            •  digdugboy not saying that (none / 0)

              I believe you misunderstood digdugboy's comment. He's not saying this thread should not be eliminated; he's pointing out that as a practical matter what we're trying to do here can be difficult (something I hadn't realized either):

              Trusted Users who are providing the service of up-rating unfairly super-troll rated comments so that they reappear are checking these from their Hidden Comments page, not this diary. So they only see the individual comment, not the thread.

              So these Trusted Users correcting abuse of the super-troll rating don't see FleetAdmiralJ's request to disappear this, nor do they realize his original comment has grown into a 16+ comment completely useless and distracting subthread that we're trying to delete; they're seeing only his original comment, and since it by itself doesn't merit a zero-rating, they're correcting that by 4-ratings, continually reversing our attempts to delete this thread.

              Hopefully 31+ ratings on that comment should now trigger most Trusted Users to look at the context before reversing the 0s with 4s.

              But unless what is happening here is very unusual, imho digdugboy is correct that attempting to delete threads in this way is more trouble than it's worth.

              •  Yeah but... (none / 0)

                He still wanted to keep this ridiculous thread around after he saw how useless it was.  The ratings police should probably be a little more discriminating if they are going to browse the hidden comments and upgrade things wily-nily without looking at the context.  

                I think he is just a too caught up with following Kos' advice on ratings.  People have been zeroing out useless threads here forever.  There's nothing wrong with it, especially when what is being zeroed out is a purely procedural point, i.e. making the mistaken point about more than two diaries in a day.

                •  I don't want to keep the thread around (none / 0)

                  I just don't want to see the time of trusted users wasted by seeing posts like this zeroed out without any facially apparent reason, to be resurrected, zeroed out, resurrected and zeroed out again.
                  •  Facially apparent reason? (2.00 / 2)

                    I'm not sure what a "facially apparent reason" is, but there is a very good reason for zeroing this thread out.  It's pointless and keeps people from getting to the real comments.  It wouldn't have been resurrected if little shits like yourself hadn't resurrected it.  If your goal is to not make the site work, then go to redstate.org or freerepublic.org.  I'm sure they would appreciate your services.
                    •  A facially apparent reason (none / 0)

                      would be a reason that is consistent with explicit community standards for using zeroes.  I expressed those explicit standards in a post above.

                      My goal isn't to gum up the site. One of my goals is to make sure that zeroes aren't used inappropriately to censor comments. I'm sorry that makes you so angry. Maybe you could use a little work on your state control?

                •  Again, that's not what he said. (3.00 / 2)

                  You wrote:

                  He still wanted to keep this ridiculous thread around after he saw how useless it was.

                  Again, unless you're referring to another digdugboy post than this one...

                  Best to just leave it. Those of use who peruse the hidden comments for improper use of zeroes to censor don't have much context except the post itself to go on. There's a reason we can't delete our own posts.

                  ....digdugboy IS NOT SAYING what you are claiming he is saying.

                  Best to just leave it. does not equal: I THINK it should remain. Especially in the context of his sentence which immediately follows, it's clear his meaning is as I elaborated in my longer comment above.

                  I have no argument with your statement: The ratings police should probably be a little more discriminating if they are going to browse the hidden comments and upgrade things wily-nily without looking at the context. 

                  (Except POSSIBLY with your use of the word police, IF you intended to imply a negative connotation in referring to Trusted Users who are volunteering a useful service by doing this.)

            •  When you continue to zero the thread out, (none / 0)

              trusted users will continue to go through the hidden comments and resurrect it. That's happened at least a half dozen times or so now, hasn't it?
          •  people who appoint themselves community policemen (none / 0)

            should be more aware of the law of the land.  

            All the people on KOS who are so ready to spout out rules to people, usually not in a nice way, take away from community spirit.  

            Obama lost me when his shills started calling Hillary a racist.

            by Tom P on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 06:04:17 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Sure we do. (none / 0)

            Those of use who peruse the hidden comments for improper use of zeroes to censor don't have much context except the post itself to go on.

             That's why I'm here reading this very long subthread. It appears to have worked out equitably and little or no loss of mojo for FleetAdmiral. The top post in this sub thread is at .93. The subthread provides all the context

            •  Not from the hidden comment itself (none / 0)

              Sure it's there if you want to thread through. But with so many posts being zeroed out these days, it's a lot of work to track down the context of all of them.  For what it's worth, I did go back and check the thread at the time, and read three or four posts down. I missed the poster's request to zero out his comment.
  •  If, like me, you feel this (4.00 / 39)

    story deserves media attention please recommend !

    peace

    my blog entry on this is here

    http://www.thefreespeechzone.net/#intimidation

    •  What deserves attention (4.00 / 3)

      is the group sponsoring Ahnuld.  Here they are:

      [From the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin (Ontario, CA)
      Mar 07, 2005 by David M. Drucker, Staff Writer]

      Committee spearheads governor's reform efforts
      [edited down to the basics]
      The group reports it has raised nearly $1.8 million toward its $13 million goal, including one donation of $1.5 million from A. Jerrold Perenchio, chairman of the board and chief executive of Univision, a Spanish-language television network based in Los Angeles.

      Joel Fox, a Granada Hills small-business activist who is co-chairman of the committee....Allan Zaremberg, president of the California Chamber of Commerce....Jon Coupal, president of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association; Bill Hauck, president of the California Business Roundtable; Rex Hime, president of the California Business Properties Association; Janet Lamkin, president of the California Bankers Association; and Larry McCarthy, president of the California Taxpayers' Association.

      [Source = ConsumerWatchDog]

      Taking pictures and copying license plates is a very old intimidation tactic.  The protestors might think about carrying throw-away, video, and/or phone cams.  Also a small tape recorder to put in their face when the bullshit starts.

  •  He aims to TERMINATE anyone who disagrees (none / 0)

  •  Just wow (none / 0)

    Bring cameras, tape recorders, and do the same.

    I wish I was there, I would join you in a heartbeat.

  •  Recommended (none / 0)

    and I'm off to see if there are any petition gatherers in my area. I'm not easily intimidated, as this woman doesn't seem either, and relish this kind of confrontation.
  •  The conduct should be prosecuted & suit filed (4.00 / 5)

    The conduct Erica describes constitutes a violation of Penal Code Sec. 422 -- "terrorist threats" .  The statute punishes threats of bodily harm which are so unequivocal and immediate as to cause the person threatened to be in sustained fear for her safety.  Not only is it a felony, but it is a "strike." Thanks to Arnold's lobbying, a ballot initative that would have made the 3-Strikes law more reasonable, was defeated.  Erica should follow up with the police and urge them to investigate this crime and present it to the District Attorney for prosecution as a PC 422 violation.  Also, they could be sued under R.I.C.O.

    "Speak out, judge fairly, and defend the rights of oppressed and needy people." Proverbs 31:9

    by zdefender on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 11:59:03 AM PDT

    •  anybody that (none / 0)

      believes a damn thing this nazi says is delusional. Electing arnold was the single dumbest thing ever done in California, and thats saying something. His fund raising makes Davis look like a pauper.
      This fucking clown wants to be president. God help us
      •  many dems voted for him (4.00 / 3)

        Many Dems, incluidng a few Kossacks, voted for him - apparently in a tantrum about the "odious" Grey Davis who was doing what any politician does.

        Cali gets what it deserves, voting for Prop 13 and onward. We're riding the real estate bubble as the way to false salvation. Japan thought there real estate bubble couldn't burst either - limited space etc, but it did.

        •  Cali gets what it deserves? (none / 0)

          Following your logic, America deserves George W.  There are many suffering the consequences of Ahnold's election who did not vote for him, and many others who are suffering the consequences who had no possibility to vote against him.  Extending this thinking, innocent families shot up at checkpoints in Iraq deserve what they get because they did not adequatly campaign against Bush in 2000.

          Your other points taken, the subject crack does not strengthen them.

          •  yeah, that's true (none / 0)

            The people most affected by his race-baiting, and demgoguery didn't vote for him.

            but I have little respect for my fellow teachers who voted for him and now are outraged (!), or our union who glad-handed him and is now outraged (!)

            •  It's difficult (none / 0)

              to talk with some people close to me - very nice people in fact - who vote with their "feelings" despite all the contrary advice of their "sense".  I know a teacher who is angry about all the no child left behind/teaching to the test constraints that make it impossible to teach anything the kids really need to learn ... yet buys into something like "he's a good Christian man" or Saddam Hussein is Hitler.  There are lots of genuinely good people who need to learn that trusting the heart is fine - even give it veto power - but sense and reason must be given the ability to override the veto.  Keep informing your fellow teachers, in as kind a way as you can, most of them have good hearts and I really believe they will come around, but then I've been known to be too trusting, too.
    •  Any kind of prosecution... (4.00 / 2)

      will have to get in line! The Frotteurnator's predicament is touching...simply touching...

      Dudehisattva...

      "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

      by Dood Abides on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 12:16:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  California deserves better than the steroid monkey (none / 0)

        Yes, very touching.  And, as an Oregonian with fond memories of the old California, I had been feeling sorry for California lately.  But now, with Californians waking up, I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Ahr-nuld the Bubergroper  --  almost, but not quite.

        Be sure to check out diary
        RED ALERT to keep California blue!

        about the vote count plan that Diebold has planned as Ahr-nuld's only hope of lasting even to the end of his term!

        "The American people now understand we have a problem." George W. Bush, Galveston, Texas, April 26, 2005

        by BornOn911 on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 06:45:08 PM PDT

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  •  Dammit. (none / 0)

    This hits me where I live. Literally. I'm just a few blocks away.

    Good for the CCTimes reporter for catching the intimidation tactics.

  •  Anti-Petition Flyer (4.00 / 11)

    THINK BEFORE YOU SIGN THAT PETITION
    • If you sign the petitions, Governor Schwarzenegger will call for a special election in November. This unnecessary election will cost California taxpayers $70 million (which has to come from somewhere), while our state wastes away under a $15 billion debt. Wouldn't that $70 million be better spent funding our schools or fixing our roads?

    • Petition gatherers are paid $5.00 for each signature, including yours.

    • Schwarzenegger is raising $50 million this year, mainly from Wall Street and out-of-state interests, to pay the petitioners, run TV ads and buy your vote.

    • His aim is to privatize California Pension Funds and give away our public servants' hard earned retirement funds to the same Wall Street barons that made billions off of Enron.

    • California Pension Funds benefit our police, firefighters, teachers, nurses, trash collectors and other public employees, many of whom aren't covered by Social Security so there is no safety net if the privatized pensions lose money.

    • Families of police and firefighters who die in the line of duty would have survivor benefits all but eliminated.

    • For more than 150 years redistricting has taken place every 10 years. After the 2000 census Republicans and Democrats agreed on a redistricting plan for the next 10 years. But Schwarzenegger wants to redistrict now instead of waiting until the next census, changing the rules (that his party agreed to!) in the middle of the game.

    • Schwarzenegger got elected promising to take the dirty money out of politics - but he's received more corporate and special interest PAC money than anyone in California history.

    HOW YOU CAN HELP
    Steps you can take, from the easiest to most involved, depending on your level of outrage:

    • EDUCATE your friends and neighbors about the damage Arnold's policies cause to working Californians, for the benefit of Wall Street barons.

    • WRITE a letter to your State Representative asking them to not back down. Go to http://www.assembly.ca.gov/ and click on "Find my District" to locate addresses for your State Representatives.

    • INFORM your fellow citizens of the facts so paid petition gatherers cannot get enough signatures to have this election and waste $70 million dollars of hard-earned taxpayer money. Whenever you see a petition gatherer, stand next to them and inform people stopping by of the cost and dangers. Be polite, but firm. Have copies of this flyer available to distribute. Download a copy from www.valleyfordemocracy.com.

    • PROTEST Arnold wherever he goes. These protests have begun to get media attention and help focus the issue on Arnold's weaknesses, broken promises and the right-wing agenda behind his so-called "moderate" stance. Look for protest information at these websites:

    http://www.arnoldwatch.org (click on "Get Involved")
    http://www.speakoutca.org (click on "Join Now")
    http://www.calnurses.org (click on "Patient Advocacy Action Center" under "Get Involved")
    http://www.cta.org/PoliticsandLegislation/PAL.htm

    Flyer prepared by Valley for Democracy www.valleyfordemocracy.com. Not affiliated with any candidate or candidate committee. Permission granted to make copies of this flyer in its entirety. Printed in-house, labor donated.

  •  I saw one of these guys (none / 1)

    collecting signatures outside the Trader Joe's in Irvine. I didn't have any time at all to stop, but I shall go looking for them now.

    Thanks for the diary. Must be recommended.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 12:15:28 PM PDT

  •  Go to court for a restraining order. (4.00 / 3)

    This is an easy way to both publicize the issue and set up the opposition for a fall. A restraining order is relatively easy to obtain with minimal proof as the courts tend to err on the side caution in cases where physical threats are made. Any subsequent bad acts by the opposition are then subject to court review and further sanction. Remember to take along your camcorder (preferably concealed), a voice recorder, or a cellphone that takes pictures. Record as much as possible as evidence for the court.

    -6.38/-3.79::'A man is incapable of comprehending any argument that interferes with his revenues.' Descartes

    by skrymir on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 12:18:46 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for bringing this to our attention (none / 1)

    As a former Californian this makes me pissing made, as a current american, this seems to be just another example of the Right's collective tactics of intimidation.

    We must keep stories like this in the news and show everyone that the republican party is NOT the party of the people, that unless you can pay them (corperations and the wealthy) or they can use you for political gain (schiavo) then they just don't give a fuck about you.

  •  Thank you. (none / 1)

    This goes in the "things to make my apolitical sister think about the safety of her family" folder.
  •  surprised? (4.00 / 3)

    Fascist is as fascist does.

    (say that three times, really fast)

    "While there is a lower class, I am in it. While there is a criminal element, I am of it. While there is a soul in prison, I am not free." - Eugene Debs

    by matthewc on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 12:36:22 PM PDT

  •  Send it to the Papers (none / 0)

    San Francisco Bay Guardian:

    http://www.sfbg.com/masthead.html#editorial

    Executive Editor Tim Redmond: tim_redmond@sfbg.com

    San Francisco Chronicle:

    http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/info/e-mail/

    Politics Editor: Sacramento beat:  jbrewer@sfchronicle.com

    Assisant Metro Editor Charles Finnie: cfinnie@sfchronicle.com

    Political columnist Phil Matier: pmatier@sfchronicle.com

    Columnist Andrew Ross: aross@sfchronicle.com

    California Politics Reporter: cmarinucci@sfchronicle.com

    •  Guardian (none / 0)

      Redmond at the Guardian will respond to you. He's pretty easy to contact and writes back, maybe give you a mention in their paper.
      •  It got personal! (4.00 / 9)

        I shared my story concerning my squabbles with a petition gatherer on Kos last week.  In a nutshell, two of them were arguing with citizens when they wouldn't sign the petitions and it got nasty. My husband is a Fire Fighter and when I told them I would stand there all the damn day and encourage people to find out the truth about what they were signing, they threatened to call the police. I told them to go right ahead, but first make sure they called the local paper because I wanted a good shot on the front page of me getting my fat ass placed in the back of a squad car. I also pointed out that those same officers might have to acknowledge that I was fighting for THEIR penisions! After about 30mins of repeated attacks and school yard bullying,  the wonderful manager of our Target finally asked them to leave, for good, and they headed down the walk to the grocery store. (Darn it if I didn't need some groceries)...but they have not been back since and I consider that a tiny but delicious victory. "Ahnold" and his goons give me the red-ass.  
         

        Let's face it... everybody is somebody's weirdo.

        by NapaJulie on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 01:12:02 PM PDT

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  •  Great job jordan (none / 0)

    Getting a recommended diary!

    Hope all is well in Cali

  •  Thank you!!! (none / 0)

    Thank you so much, terrific diary! God I can't stand the Gropenfuhrer, we need all the ammo we can get against this ridiculous special election.

    O/T - I'm kinda new here, are there any Sacramento/Central Valley Kossack gatherings in the works? Anyone? Bueller?

    Accountability. It's what's for dinner.

    by By The Root on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 01:07:47 PM PDT

  •  Did anyone notice the framing? (4.00 / 7)

    "Slowly, people started to gather," Rodriguez  said. "They surrounded me. Some tried to pretend they were regular citizens and tried to goad me into a confrontation. They were doing everything they could to intimidate me to leave."

    Rodriguez called the police and her political activist colleagues, telling them that she feared for her safety.

    While I realize that "people" is a direct quote from the victim, nowhere in the article was a negative term used to refer to the intimidators, while the article seemed to go out of its way to make the victim of aggression seem to have asked for it.

  •  Arnold's Brown Shirts (4.00 / 3)

    have apparently been called in from out of state. Any from Austria or Germany been imported
    yet?

    When will Republicans like Shwarzenegger realize that raising massive amounts of money in order
    to purchase political offices does not constitute "reform?"

  •  Two Petitioners at Wal-Mart Pleasanton (4.00 / 4)

    One asked if I was a registered voter. This man was a rather scruffy (almost homeless looking) man wanting me to sign a petition, apparently to allow the State of California to negotiate prices with Pharmacies. I took the clipboard read thru the legalese, twice, and still couldn't quite figure out what it all meant (and I have a BS in Computer Science). Then I flipped the top petition up and underneath was another petition that looked like a petition against the intrests of teachers. My wife is a teacher.

    So either this guy is working both sides of the street so to speak, or the prescription thing was some sort of ruse (e.g. opposite of what they say it means ala "clear skies", etc). Being confused, I just said no and walked away.

    Now typically one would think someone with this mans appearance, dress, demeanor, etc would be a little left leaning, but after seeing the apparent anti-teacher petition underneath, I really wonder if this guy is a paid signature gatherer and what the petitions "really" mean.  

    •  Petitions (none / 0)

      The only petition I'll sign is one that ends the petition process.  Uninformed people shouldn't be making decisions better left for elected representatives.  Direct democracy isn't a good idea for such a large state.  If CA was the size of Rhode Island, perhaps it could pull off direct democracy.
  •  Front Page this when the press conference is done (none / 1)

    Please, let's give Arnold a bloody lip if we can.
  •  FREE SPEECH ZONE (none / 0)

    Please read this comment. I posted it earlier to a thread but it may get lost.

    I think you have inadvertantly give out this woman's identity, which she asked not to do.

    I the letter she wrote, she identifies herself as Erica.  In the interview she gave to the paper they use last names. You put 2 and 2 together and you have her identity. I don't think I'm imagining this. Anyone else see this.

    Perhaps we should not recommend till FSZ has a chance to look at this.

  •  Groping (none / 0)

    The news last night mentioned new allegations of Arnold's propensity for the grope.  If this issue has returned to the front page of the media out here I suspect it's safe to say that Arnold's honeymoon is finally over.
  •  Actually, it makes sense... (none / 1)

    ...if you remember good ol' Rod Paige comparing teachers to terrorists.  Yup, these days it seems just about everybody can be compared to terrorists -- except for Saudis who actually give money to the people who are blowing shit up.  They're not a bit like terrorist, no sirree, not one bit.  No, they're more like "friends of the Bush family."

    I stopped signing all petitions years ago, when I learned it costs about a million and a half to get a proposition on the California ballot.   I figure most of the people who have that sort of discretionary fundage probably are not deploying it in my interests.

    "Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing." -- Joseph Heller

    by Roddy McCorley on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 03:27:09 PM PDT

  •  Lockyer Should Drop Out (none / 0)

    I think it's pretty clear even at this early point in the race that Phil Angelides is the Democratic candidate for Governor.

    I don't even see the point of Lockyer wasting millions of dollars on a lousy campaign.

  •  Keep this up (none / 0)

    and the cons will amend the constitutoin and he'll easily win the con primary in 2008.  He's proving his conservatism to the thug base.
  •  I emailed the Gropenfuhrer (3.66 / 3)

    Here's my letter:

    I am writing to express my absolute, vehement disgust at the tactics used by the signature gatherers hired to support your proposed special election.  

    As background, a young student teacher stood outside a grocery store where one of these signature gatherers was operating, displaying a sign that declared her opposition to the special election (for more background, please see here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/24/142521/243).  

    This signature gatherer threatened to call thirty guys down there, insulted her and threatened her safety until she was forced to call the police. In addition, these paid enforcers took the license plate numbers of her and her companions.  May I ask what you plan to do with this information, Governor?

    I strongly urge to you reconsider whom you hire to support your agenda, and educate them in appropriate ways of doing so, lest their tactics become the story, and not your proposals.  

    You may try to bring your "reform agenda" to the straight to the citizens of California, but this citizen of California will never support any legislation that needs to be promoted by totalitarian thugs who threaten and intimidate young women.  

    Sincerely,

    XXXXXXXXX
    Los Angeles, CA

  •  More News on Petitioners (none / 1)

    Seeking signatures
    *The Huntington Beach Police say they are pretty limited as to what they can do to control petitioners.

    By Dave Brooks, Huntington Beach Independent

    It was a familiar scene in Southern California. Activists, sometimes as many as a half-dozen, crowding in front of groceries stores, stopping customers, even turning a few away. Shoppers at Trader Joe's at the corner of Ellis Avenue and Beach Boulevard endured this latest round Sunday, not from striking grocers, but from petitioners gathering signatures for a special election in November, similar to one held in 2003 to recall the state's then-governor, Gray Davis.

    Visit any shopping center in Orange County, and it's hard to miss them, petitioners approaching shoppers for signatures on one of dozens of initiatives that could be put before voters in a special election this year.

    Unable to get his reform package through the California legislature, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has taken to the streets, working with newly created political action committee Citizens to Save California to collect enough signatures to qualify the initiatives for a special election.

    Schwarzenegger isn't alone. Dozens of groups are floating their own ballot initiatives, some in direct opposition to the governor's proposal, temporarily boosting a small cottage industry of signature collectors who earn a buck or two for every name they collect.

    Some petitioners say the amount has increased as the deadline approaches, as high as $4 or $5 a signature. The lucrative environment has created a pandemonium-like atmosphere at some shopping centers, property manager Maureen Sloan-James of 5 Points Plaza said, and many customers are doing business elsewhere to avoid the onslaught.

    "I'm having customers come into my office and say, 'Can't you do anything about this?'" she said.

    The police are pretty limited as to what they can do to control petitioners, said Huntington Beach Lt. Craig Junginger.

    "Our hands are kind of tied, because they have a First Amendment right to do that," he said.

    A 1979 ruling by the California Supreme Court gives petitioner's the right to collect signatures at public shopping centers, granted they don't block traffic or cause a nuisance. There are also vaguer rules about registering with the property manager and negotiating the appropriate place and time to gather signatures, but police have few guidelines available to enforce any type of code, Junginger said.

    "There's no place in the law to find what the remedy is if someone doesn't follow the rules," he said.

    There's also a lot of money involved. During the 2004 election, about $24 million was spent to get about a dozen initiatives on the ballot, according to the secretary of state's office.

    Just as he did during the 2004 March primary, Schwarzenegger is floating a new round of budget initiatives to place public employees on a privatized pension system, change the way district lines are drawn and link teacher pay increases to merit. His Citizens to Save California group has already raised more than $3 million to get the reforms through.

    And there are other initiatives out there, independent of the governor's reforms. One group wants a law passed requiring parents to be notified before their teenage daughters can obtain an abortion, while another would force public employee union bosses to obtain majority approval from union members before spending dues on political campaign contributions. Another would allow car buyers to cancel their sales within three days.

    In total, 35 petitions are circulating, according the California Attorney General's Office. Another 28 are being prepared to be turned over to voters.

    This year, Citizens to Save California has hired two petition gathering firms to collect names for the governor's reforms: Arno Political Consulting of Rancho Cordova and National Petition Management. Combined, the companies landed a total of $13 million worth of contracts in 2004, but ironically, first became familiar with Schwarzenegger in 2003, when both were coordinating a $1.7 million effort to fight the recall, campaign disclosures from the secretary of state's office show.

    "It's pretty obvious that prevailing political winds can shift direction at any time when it comes to this business," Anthony Hardow, an independent petition coordinator that covers Huntington Beach and Garden Grove said. "In the end, the folks that back these initiatives just want the required amount of signatures on the sheets, so they can hand them over to the secretary of state's office."

    Sloan-James said she's worried that less scrupulous petitioners will use the information to commit identity theft, or simply scare customers away from shopping.

    "I've had people call and tell me that they're not going to come back and shop at Trader Joe's if those people were still out there," she said. "It's really frustrating when you can't do anything about this. This is the one area where my hands are completely tied."

  •  Any reports from the steps of SF City Hall? (none / 0)

    Did anyone monitoring this thread go to the rally on the steps of San Francisco City Hall with Leno, Angelides, and people from CAforDemocracy?  Is it getting any news coverage (web links?)?  How about pictures?  I wanted to go but was trapped at work.

    "You underestimate Bush at your peril: it takes a brilliant man to feign utter and complete globe-spanning stupidity." Hunter of DailyKos

    by mrclean on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 05:10:22 PM PDT

  •  Ahr-nuld don't need no stinking public hearing (none / 0)

    State officials on Wednesday cleared the way for the Schwarzenegger administration to immediately start collecting more of the assets of elderly Medi-Cal recipients after they die.

    The Department of Health Services last Monday asked for an emergency regulation that would allow the state to start recouping some assets that were previously protected, sparking protests from advocates for Medi-Cal patients.

    Normally, the state must hold hearings and have a lengthy public comment process before changing its rules, but health officials said the state was facing an emergency.

    The regulations approved Wednesday can go into effect immediately without a public hearing.

    posted up on skippy

    I'm not going anywhere. I'm standing up, which is how one speaks in opposition in a civilized world. - Ainsley Hayes

    by jillian on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 06:00:14 PM PDT

  •  Makes me want to get out on the streets (none / 0)

    and find a petitioner to jam.
  •  The entire Left Coast is cheering ... (none / 0)

    GO, CALIFORNIA, GO !

    P.S. Be sure to check out diary
    RED ALERT to keep California blue!

    about the vote count plan that Diebold and Ahr-nuld's nominee for California Secretary of State have planned as Ahr-nuld's only hope of lasting even to the end of this term!

    STOP NEO-CON VOTE FRAUD CONSPIRACY

    "The American people now understand we have a problem." George W. Bush, Galveston, Texas, April 26, 2005

    by BornOn911 on Thu Mar 24, 2005 at 06:49:29 PM PDT

  •  Motives behind Arnold's special election (none / 0)

    His inability to balance the budget without a tax increase:

    The state wouldn't have to put up any extra money if it waited until next year and placed all the current, proliferating initiatives on a regular election ballot.

    But by next year, Sacramento will be in an even deeper budget hole. And Schwarzenegger thinks he needs a new spending limit to force him and the Legislature to slash programs more aggressively than either have the stomach for without a voter mandate. It's the only way to balance the budget without a tax increase.

    And he gets more money now rather than later:

    Also, calling a special election this year gives Schwarzenegger a big fundraising advantage.

    This year, there'll be no limit on an individual donation to the committee that is financing the governor's initiative campaigns. For example, Spanish-language TV entrepreneur A. Jerrold Perenchio already has kicked in $1.5 million.

    But next year, if Schwarzenegger is running for a second term, he won't be allowed to appear in an initiative TV commercial within 45 days of the election unless the committee abides by the gubernatorial donation limit of $22,300.

    So this year, he'll be better armed for the TV ad wars. And, if voters are willing, he'll be granted a license to whack all programs -- from education to healthcare to transportation -- and be spared from finally having to raise taxes.


  •  Want to really screw the petitioners? (none / 0)

    Sign more than one petition. Use the exact same info. Keep signing multiple petitions until your finger turns blue. Every one that you do gets disqualified (at least, in Ohio they throw the whole sheet out) and the petitioner doesn't get paid for that signature.
    -- oh, and while you're at it, take your time. Eat up the guy's attention and ask questions. Make him explain the petiton. Play dumb. The longer you take the less he gets done.

    NFTT Progressively supporting the troops

    by Timroff on Fri Mar 25, 2005 at 05:24:25 AM PDT

  •  Sign anti-Arnold Special Election petition (none / 0)

    Erica was getting signatures on a grassroots petition demanding that Arnold stop his plans for the Special Election.  You can sign the petition online at the Contest the Vote website: ContestTheVote.org. There is also a link to it at California for Democracy website: Californiafordemocracy.com
    You can also download copies to circulate on your own.

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