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The Religious Wrong-Wing and Social Security

Wed Mar 09, 2005 at 06:00:26 PM PDT

Whatever the factors that foreshadow the imminent demise of Social Security, the destruction of millions of would-have-been taxpayers through legalized abortion must be considered one of the most potent.  Ironically, many of the nearly 50 million unborn children destroyed by abortionists at the behest of their mothers had their lives ended for economic reasons. The children whose birth presented such an economic threat to their parents are now the missing pieces in their parents economic future.

(Taken from a quoted block in azindy's excellent Evangelicals and Stem Cells diary)

This quote brought back to mind a few discussions with some of the more fundamentalist wingers I know, and resulted in a bit of an epiphany. In short, even though their religion calls upon them to help the poor and needy, these "Christians" fight against social security as part of their culture war.

Yes, that's right. It's another front of the culture war. Read the last part carefully:

The children whose birth presented such an economic threat to their parents are now the missing pieces in their parents economic future.

While the author, in this case, is blaming the social security crisis on the abortionists (you can bet that if he couldn't make that logic work, Clinton would be next on his list), that's not the context you usually hear this logic from fundamentalist wingers in.

The context you usually hear this logic in is a tirade about the importance of the family. These loonies claim that a government-mandated euthenasia program directed at seniors is inevitable within our lifetimes. Why's that? Because a lot of people - especially well-to-do people - aren't having children. An in order to survive in your old age, you need to have children, who can devote part of their income to keeping you in the style to which you are accustomed. So you need to have lots of children, and have them early, so they've got lots of money by the time you reach retirement age.

A short digression is necessary at this point, for those tuning in late. In the Southern US, there is still quite a lot of social pressure for young people to marry and have kids early. Right out of high school, in many cases. Those that don't - especially those girls that don't - are looked down upon as wasting their lives. In more ways than one, these wingers have never moved beyond the 18th Century. And now, back to our regularly-scheduled programming.

There's a slight problem with their doom-and-gloom picture. Social security and the looming spectre of universal health care. Even in the most pessimistic forecasts I've seen (those issued by the Congressional Budget Office, I believe), FDR's legacy is viable through the end of the century. And that's assuming truly abysmal economic growth - bad enough that even Bush would be hard-pressed to screw up our economy that much. And while it won't make you rich, it will save you from eating cat food and let you live fairly well, even if you don't have kids. And universal health care would drastically cut or even eliminate the amount seniors have to pay for their medication.

This terrifies the evangelical wingers. It turns their gloom-and-doom "have kids now" death threat into a sun-and-roses "you don't need kids, but you'll probably like them" affair.

So throw yet another reason onto the growing pile of reasons why we need to protect FDR's legacy from Gihren... Er... Grover's Greed. Not only is it the right thing to do - for retirees should be able to live in relative comfort - but it's yet another front in the right-wing culture war.

The Republican War on Social Security - Take No Prisoners.

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  •  These people (none / 1)

    are so fucking dumb.  

    So
    fucking
    dumb

    And determined to drag us back to the middle ages, as you noted.

    Lemme see, if I took all that money I saved on baby formula, day care, braces, and sunday school, and I invested it in the stock market---why, why!  I wouldn't need social security, would I?

    •  Not Quite That Simple... (none / 1)

      Often, from a purely utilitarian point of view, kids are a good investment. Especially in an agrarian or extremely poor society, or one that discriminates against women.

      However, who wants to promote having kids based on utilitarian ethics? This, to me, seems like a great way to have a screwed-up family. Instead, people who want kids should be encouraged to have them when they feel ready. The choice of people who don't want kids - or who would rather adopt - should also be accepted.

      And don't start that investment stuff. We have social security so people don't need to worry about a bad investment forcing them to eat cat food after they retire. No-one should have to do that. Period.

      Social security is a battle we cannot afford to lose, for a great many reasons.

  •  The last time (none / 1)

    I remember the last time the government was talking about "fixing" Social Security, some anti-freedom-of-choice groups blamed the lack of workers paying into the system on abortion in print ads in USAToday.  The Religious Two Wrongs Make It Right blame everything on abortion, just like the Neocons blame everything on the Freedom Hating 9/11 hijackers sent by Saddama bin Laden Huessein.

    "There is no barrier of people's acceptance. The only barrier is the media. Remember what people cannot see or hear, they cannot think about."

    by dugjxn on Wed Mar 09, 2005 at 07:12:10 PM PDT

    •  History? (none / 0)

      How long ago was that, do you remember? If you can dig up more information, it might make for a good diary.

      •  Searching my memory and the internet's (none / 0)

        I believe this was around 1987, but I can not say for certain.  I know the ads were quite controversial.

        A quick MSN for 'abortion social security' revealed these gems:

        http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42871

        Abortion may have set America up to implode.

        Consider this: As politicians scramble to posture on Social Security reform, a key element is being ignored: the effect of abortion on the SS shortfall.

        Since Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion, creating an abortion industry, we've seen 45 million unborn babies aborted in this country.

        An estimated 17 million of them would be contributing to the economy today, paying taxes, and paying into Social Security; but they will not be there.

        They even made t-shirts:

        "Abortion:  Bad for Social Security.  Over 44,000,000 potential workers killed since 1973."

        http://christianshirts.net/designs.php?id=188

        And then there was this:

        We have NO right to blame anyone for the Social Security mess except ourselves. We have harvested what we planted. We believed the foolish lie that sacrificing our children for the sake of future prosperity would solve our current problems. Instead, we are reaping the harvest of selfishness in a faltering economy and a Social Security system in distress.

        http://www.pardonedorparoled.com/ethics/socialsecurity.htm

        And then:

        The Population Research Institute borrows a solution to the mounting dilemma from Washington Post columnist Phillip Longman. PRI says that Americans should agitate for changes to the Social Security system "that reduces the fertility disincentives contained in the structure of Social Security itself, and encourages Americans to bear more children."

        "More children now means more taxpaying workers later to help the system avoid bankruptcy," the PRI briefing continued.

        "There are many reasons birthrates are falling, but Social Security itself is likely a major cause because of the raw deal it creates for parents and the enormous subsidies it provides to non-parents," Phillip Longman explained in his op-ed in the Washington Post on Sunday, January 9. "So long as Social Security effectively penalizes people for having the very children the system requires, it contributes to a downward spiral of falling birthrates leading to higher and higher tax rates."

        http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jan/05011703.html

        Scroll down half way for Abortion kills Social Security - A socialist's dilemma and Supplying the Souls of Men for the Consumption of Others which includes quotes from Sen. Brownback which I do believe was diaried when he spake them.

        http://www.taxfreedom101.com/library/social_security.htm

        For what it's worth.............

        "There is no barrier of people's acceptance. The only barrier is the media. Remember what people cannot see or hear, they cannot think about."

        by dugjxn on Wed Mar 09, 2005 at 08:35:03 PM PDT

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        •  Wait One Second... (none / 0)

          Where are they getting their numbers? As if

          Since Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion, creating an abortion industry, we've seen 45 million unborn babies aborted in this country.

          That was true in 1987, and their numbers now are around "50 million"... That means that two decades of Republican Presidents were responsible for 45 million abortions, or over 2 million per year... While on decade of a Democratic president was responsible for 5, or about half a million per year.

          Sounds to me like the 50 million number might just be pulled out of a hat to scare people...?

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