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When They Come for the Jews

Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 07:02:53 PM PDT

This is well inspired by  Bob's fantastic diary and the resulting discussion, but it's thoughts I've definitely been tossing about in my head for a while anyway.  Anyway, this is what I see happening, and if we can have a fresh page to start up after that 400-comment piece, I'm happy to offer it!

I'm going to apologize out in front that I have somewhat disappointingly little evidence.  Of cousre, it's nice not to have that evidence just lying around, but still, this is much more speculation and instinct rather than rationale.

The basic problem, I think, is that the alliance between the neo-con PNAC movement, the Rapture Right conservatives, and a faction of AIPAC-inspired Jews is untenable, in the long term under the guise of the Republican Party.  The Evangelicals are going to lose it.  And that's where the troubles will come from.

First off, I am not specifically concerned about pogroms, state-sponsored attacks, or a second version of the Holocaust.  It's not how things happen in this country, and a majority government spousing things like that will never come to power.  We're a pluralist state in the minds of most of our citizens.

This does not mean, however, in the slightest that there is no danger.  It will come from hate groups, Christianist terrorist organizations, and miscellaneous wackos.  Unfortunately, these groups may have a significant backing of indifference and enthusiasm from various sectors of Middle America.  In short - watch out for thugs.

The Republican Party is getting dangerously close, particularly evidenced during Schiavo, to losing hold of its coalition.  It has neede to whip the Rapture Right into an ever increasing fury to keep their votes, and they know they can't stay mainstream if the give in.  So that's why there's been no FMA after the election, etc.  It's all lipservice, and they can only keep doing it for so long.  They have to step up the rhetoric as carefully as they can.

They've been nurturing a latent anti-Semitism for some time, using it as a wedge against the liberal media, and Hollywood, plus the big cities.  The hate was there first - they merely leveraged it against their political enemies.  It's been keeping hate alive when it should have faded away - see the incident in "Throw the Jew down the Well", for example (Ali G's satire)

At some point in the past twenty years, they realized they were going to need cover - having Pat Buchanan as your poster boy tends to scare off American voters and put Bill Clinton in office - so that's where the Rapture Alliance came from.  There's decent theology that says the Jews play a pretty big part, so they need to enthusiastically support Israel.  Robertson and Falwell and LaHaye ran to the pulpits preaching of the importance of Biblical Israel, and the GOP reached out to AIPAC - we'll scratch your back.  Plus, they got in on the oil- and power- driven plans that PNAC lets out.

It was a shrewd strategy, I think - the Jews, and I speak as one, are as prone to ethnocentrism and nationalism as anyone else in the world.  Most of them are liberal pluralists, but there's always a faction of True Patriots who are willing to deal quite literally with the devil.  No people are immune, and it resonated because hey, the Jews have been through a lot.  It's easy to be defensive.

This bought off the Likud-nik Americans (a small minority) directly, but it had wider effects.  Many Jews have a cousin or an uncle who leans that way, and it's just enough to keep them from calling out the strategy, raise a doubt.  1 in 5 Jews voted for Bush - but that still puts one in every extended family.  

With Jewish cover, the Rapture Right could go mainstream.  It put the Judeo- in front of Christian, and created the illusion of just barely enough tolerance to deflect mainline criticism:  See?  We love Israel!  We can govern a multi-religious country.

So that gets us today - the alliance in full swing.  It's safe at least for the time being, but we're really just biding our time for an Incident that will tip it off.  The key heat on the soon-to-be boiling kettle is the state of Israel itself, I believe.

Someday, sooner rather than later, Israel is going to have a real agreement with Palestine.  Probably a week after Sharon gets out of power - in any case, it will involve passing off the West Bank, Gaza, and probably a chunk of Jerusalem.  Settlers and rights of return are details.

The Rapturist will watch a grinning Prime Minister shake hands with a beaming Mahmoud Abbas (maybe).  And the thought will pop into his head: "The motherfucking kikes just sold us out."

Stabbed in the back, so to speak.  American Jews are thrilled, and even AIPAC will probably not go dramatically against the Israeli government.  What's left, however, is a radical group of fundamentalist Jews waging war in the holy land.  The guys who killed Rabin.  The guys who threatend to piss on Sharon's wife after the exhume her corpse.  They're going to have some American friends, and they're going to be LOUD.

Check your bible: 40,000 Jews are going to be saved in the rapture.  The radical fundamentalist fringe in Israel is going to number something fairly close to that.  Tantalizingly close.  Now that the Rapturists have found the real Jews, in their mind, they can put prophecy aside.  They need to save these real Jews against the atheists who sold out.  

That is, me, and everyone on that side of my family.  Every Jew you know, for example.  They won't get the government to do it for them, because this is a fringe movement.  But they've already been forgiven - the Congress told them Hollywood is Evil.  The President told them about that Lib'rul Media in New York City.  They think they had one foot in heaven, and American Jews yanked them back.  Meanwhile, the government has failed to outlaw abortion, the queers just won marriage rights in five more states, condoms advertise during the Super Bowl, and the Supreme Court said you can't have "In God We Trust" on the money.  Plus, a nigger is President (Obama) (Maybe) and you just lost your job.  Not your fault.  Not the White Boss's fault (isn't Walton a good Christian).  "It's the fucking Jews that did this to me".  They killed Christ ("I saw that movie", they took down the best Congressman we ever had (that temptor Abramoff), and now they fucked it all up for guys like me.  It just needs any small spark from their on out, it doesn't matter what, and it's going down.

Some nutjob will blow up a synogogue.  Maybe heave a rock through ever Kosher deli he can find.  Buy his son his first beer for beating up Billy Liebowitz in school.  Assassinate Russ Feingold.  Or Jon Stewart.  Maybe just suicide bomb Times Square.  You get the picture.

They'll be arrested of course.  Some will probably be executed.  There might be a shootout in a compound somewhere.  Governments - both Democratic and Republican, are going to have to crack down, and there will be martyrs and more pushes outside the mainstream.  But every time, there might be a few converts.

It's bad news when the Apocalypse doesn't come when you're expecting it.  This is what I'm afraid of.  It's a worst-case scenario, of course, but        it's scarily possible.

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  •  Huh? (none / 0)

    What?!?


    Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed. -- Bruce Springsteen

    by Plutonium Page on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 07:09:20 PM PDT

  •  One Foot in Heaven (none / 0)

    That was a very amusing book.  The movie, though, was so-so.
  •  It's just more nebulous than that (none / 0)

    Winning the battles over religion in public will be key for them, and what will happen then will, in my opinion, be a form of social pressure that most Jews experienced in this country before the 1960s.  Being the only Jewish kid in your class will become ever more the reason for ostracization, not getting dates, not getting invited to parties, not getting business deals.  Some Jews will relent and convert, others will simply accelerate the process of self-segregation in this country, and continue moving to the cities and coasts where they don't have to put up with the constant pressure to join the group.  There, they will find their living in the networks already established for them, the very elite networks that conservatives hate because they tend to be based on cultural literacy, education level, and the ability to make lots of money without getting your hands dirty:  the media, journalism, academia, finance and so on.  When that proceeds long enough, the anti-elite discourse will emerge as ever more anti-Semitic.  But as I said in another post, it will happen slowly, like a glacier, enough so that no one can see it without stepping back to see what is happening to the whole forest.
  •  I don't think you're confused (none / 0)

    And I don't think it's that far off.  I've always found the Christian extremist/Orthodox extremist alliance pretty bizarre and very tenuous to begin with.  Especially from the Jewish perspective.  And if the Christian extremists pull their support, they will have more than enough company.  For instance, I listen to C-Span Washington Journal regularly, and regularly (I'm talking every day), at least one Jew-bashing call comes in.  LOTS of people in this country are willing to blames Jews for LOTS of things.  All they need is a catalyst.  
    •  I get too angry to listen (none / 0)

      Is that right, every day?? God, we're worse off than I thought.  

      War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

      by Margot on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:10:33 PM PDT

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      •  I don't watch every day.. (none / 0)

        ...but I do on weekends and any day I have off from work.  And when I do watch, there is at least one call with negative comments concerning Jews on ANY subject up for discussion.  How such a tiny segment of the population can be responsible for so much is beyond me...
        •  Sort of off topic (none / 1)

          When I first got a computer, I was trying to find people of like minds who were nice, just to talk to, online.  I went to a Yahoo Christian chat room.

          Boy, BIG mistake. What a snakepit! The namecalling in there was so bad, I went to a political chat room to chill out--and that was mostly full of people who hated Clinton. They were nicer than the so-called Christians. Interdenominational warfare. I was really shocked, having grown up in the Presbyterian church, having parents who encouraged our ecumenical youth group. I didn't realize how our country had become so divided over religion.

          It's much worse now, I think.

          War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

          by Margot on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:49:58 PM PDT

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  •  I think you knew what you meant (none / 0)

    but you wrote it for you. Also, I'm a bit mystified with the concentration on Jews alone. I realize you were caboosing on Bob's diary (which was written in direct response to an incident that happened to him and his wife), but I don't get why you wouldn't write this about that racism is all pervasive and not limited to one particular scapegoat group. When they come for the Jews they'll come for the African-Americans too, and asians and hispanics won't be far behind.
  •  Yes... (none / 0)

    ...as a Jew, I too feel increasing anxiety especially with Frist's latest plans.  Apparently you do too.  But this statement is disturbing:

    "First off, I am not specifically concerned about pogroms, state-sponsored attacks, or a second version of the Holocaust.  It's not how things happen in this country, and a majority government spousing things like that will never come to power.  We're a pluralist state in the minds of most of our citizens"

    The government's actions during WWII against Japanese ciitizens immediately come to mind.  There is at least this precedent about the potential paranioa of our government.  This action mirrors, at least in part, what was happening in Germany at the time.  I should like to think that something like this could never again happen but the recent actions of this government do give one pause.

    Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin -SLB-

    by boran2 on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:47:55 PM PDT

  •  Let me see if i understand (none / 0)

    what you are saying here:
    1. You suggest there has been an alliance between the the neocon PNAC [Likudnik] movement and the radical religious right (RRR), but it is starting to fray [Why is it fraying? Repugs need a new punching bag/object of blame to focus RRR support for Repugs?].

    2. You are suggesting that a possible result will be some kind of backlash by the RRR upon Jews in general, although "likudnik or Bush supporting" sympathizers represent a minority ~ 20% of Jewish Americans.

    3. Current Sharon-style (expansionalist) Israeli government's days are numbered.

    4. However, a minority of (a)Israeli nationalist extremists in Israel and (b) RRR(?) in the US will resist change and  do everything possible to disrupt the process of securing a free Palestine state along the lines of the 1967 agreement.

    5. American Jews will suffer a backlash in US because of the actions of these extremists.

    Is that what you are saying?

    If so, questions: Why to 1 (Why is relationship fraying?) , and 4b (Why is RRR opposed to Palestine sovereign state)?

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