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Special Report: Army Reservist Witnesses War Crimes

Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 08:52:10 PM PDT

April 1, 2005--Aiden Delgado, an Army Reservist in the 320th Military Police Company, served in Iraq from April 1, 2003 through April 1, 2004. After spending six months in Nasiriyah in Southern Iraq, he spent six months helping to run the now-infamous Abu Ghraib prison outside of Baghdad. The handsome 23-year-old mechanic was a witness to widespread, almost daily, U.S. war crimes in Iraq. His story contains new revelations about ongoing brutality at Abu Ghraib, information yet to be reported in national media.

I first met Delgado in a classroom at Acalanes High School in Lafayette, California, where he presented a slide show on the atrocities that he himself observed in Southern and Northern Iraq. Delgado acknowledged that the U.S. military did some good things in Iraq. "We deposed Saddam, built some schools and hospitals," he said. But he focused his testimony on the breakdown of moral order within the U.S. military, a pattern of violence and terror that exceeds the bounds of what is legally and morally permissible in time of war.

Delgado says he observed mutilation of the dead, trophy photos of dead Iraqis, mass roundups of innocent noncombatants, positioning of prisoners in the line of fire--all violations of the Geneva conventions. His own buddies--decent, Christian men, as he describes them--shot unarmed prisoners.

In one government class for seniors, Delgado presented graphic images, his own photos of a soldier playing with a skull, the charred remains of children, kids riddled with bullets, a soldier from his unit scooping out the brains of a prisoner. Some students were squeamish, like myself, and turned their heads. Others rubbed tears from their eyes. But at the end of the question period, many expressed appreciation for opening a subject that is almost taboo. "If you are old enough to go to war," Delgado said, "you are old enough to know what really goes on." It is a rare moment when American students, who play video war games more than baseball, are exposed to the realities of occupation. Delgado does not name names. Nor does he want to denigrate soldiers or undermine morale. He seeks to be a conscience for the military, and he wants Americans to take ownership of the war in all its tragic totality.

Aiden Delgado did not grow up in the United States. His father was a U.S. diplomat. Aiden lived in Thailand and Senegal, West Africa. He spent seven years in Cairo, Egypt, where he became fluent in Arabic and developed a deep appreciation of Arab culture.

On September 11, 2001, completely unaware of the day's fateful events, Delgado enlisted in the Army, expecting to serve two days a month in the Reserves. When he turned on the television, he realized instantly that his whole world had changed.

After he joined the Army, Delgado began to read the Sutras. He became a Buddhist, a vegetarian, and eventually became a Conscientious Objector. Delgado was honorably discharged when he returned home. Delgado earned four service medals which, he says, are standard awards. He faced criticism from the Army when he began to speak out about military conduct in Iraq. Don Schwartz, spokesman for the Army in Washington, D.C., said that Delgado should have reported any wrongdoing to Army personnel. "He should have reported first to his boss, his commander. That is the standard way the chain of command works."

When I interviewed Delgado recently, he expressed his deep love of his country, but he also insisted that racism--a major impetus to violence in American history--is driving the occupation, infecting the entire military operation in Iraq.......

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  •  Give yourself a tip jar - you've earned one (n/t) (none / 1)

    The lights gathering/ on the night lake/ sing a thousand songs/ of the sleeping sun. -- Henry Dumas, "Images," Play Ebony Play Ivory

    by LaurasLamp on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 08:57:43 PM PDT

    •  There's alot of this guy available (none / 0)

      I researched him and found him to be VERY credible.  Therefore, I referenced his facts big time in my book.

      Blind Faith in Empty Language is Not Patriotism

      by ColdFusion04 on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 09:33:29 PM PDT

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      •  Very credible (none / 0)

        He is very credible.  I went to school and was good friends with his brother.  This is the same school Aiden is at now in Florida.  I've seen him speak in a presentation, and talked to him elsewhere on campus.  And when he gave his presentation, he had about a dozen of his reservist friends attend to suport him.  I definetly believe him.
      •  Ummm... (none / 0)

        This guy was on "Democracy Now!" in December, 2004.  I hate to be the one to burst the bubble, but this is really old news.

        Blind Faith in Empty Language is Not Patriotism

        by ColdFusion04 on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 09:55:48 PM PDT

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        •  Link (none / 0)

          Still good stuff, but I'm pretty sure this was a highly recommended link in December.

          Blind Faith in Empty Language is Not Patriotism

          by ColdFusion04 on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 09:57:31 PM PDT

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        •  Until it's old news (4.00 / 5)

          like Terri Schiavo became old news, I think it bears repeating. Democracy Now! is one thing, the MSM quite another.

          Are you listening, MSM? Because we are. And we're waiting.

        •  New news to me. (none / 0)

          I missed the Dec diary and Democracy Now (which I believe is on during my morning commute and while I'm at work).

          So I'm glad to have the news now.

        •  Not old (4.00 / 5)

          I saw him in DC at the counter-inaugural adn from my position, until he is a household name and his pictures have been seen by every draftable kid in the US, this is VERY CURRENT.

          News slides down this page in a New York minute, so be gentle and realize we have a job to do, more than just "being the first to break a story."

          Now THAT kind of thinking is old news, my friend.

          "As long as space abides, so too shall I abide, relieving the suffering of sentient beings." Santideva

          by Percheronwoman on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 07:55:27 AM PDT

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          •  Respectfully disagree (none / 0)

            This article is titled as though he just got back from Iraq and this is "breaking" as we speak.  There's a big difference between that, and the reality that this guy has been speaking out since he got back a year ago.  Maybe I'll go back and repost the ACLU Torture "Executive Order" emails and the news about the missing WMDs if that's how we're going to work.  Anyone think Kerry has a chance to win in November?

            If my book (which went to print two months ago)is more up to date then a diary on the recommended list, then is this really a blog?  Or is it just a historical archive?

            Blind Faith in Empty Language is Not Patriotism

            by ColdFusion04 on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 08:54:41 AM PDT

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            •  does your book have real-time comments? (none / 0)

              you know, for discussion?

              I believe this is a good diary as it gets more awareness out there.  I'm sure that many kossacks haven't seen anything on this subject and it is a welcome read.  I didn't see any earlier diaries on this kid and for one, am glad that it got "reposted".

              so is this the part of my post where I whore my new book?

              He who gives up liberty in exchange for security is deserving of neither

              by joby on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 09:07:40 AM PDT

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              •  Copy paste (none / 0)

                A copy paste of an archival article about old news is not rec-worthy.  It has nothing to do with my book.  But I brought it up just to prove how ridiculous this is.

                Thanks for the kind comments.  I'm glad to know you appreciate my 5 hours per night for 3 months sacrifice on behalf of our country.  What were you doing during that time?

                Thanks and have a nice day.

                Blind Faith in Empty Language is Not Patriotism

                by ColdFusion04 on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 09:10:51 AM PDT

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                •  actually, I do appreciate your work. (none / 0)

                  And I am glad that you have your thoughts out there.  I haven't bought it yet and still may...but your efforts don't give you any moral or ethical high ground from which to snipe.  

                  That said, I believe that from the majority of posts in this thread and the fact that it is a recommended diary, evidently it has informational value that is relevant and current.  If you don't think it warrants a recommend, then don't recommend it.  If you don't want to read it, then don't.  But don't tell others here that something isn't relavent or worthy - kossacks are pretty smart and figure these things out pretty fast.

                  If you want to cut and paste an old diary of yours, by all means do it.  If others here find it to be equally relevant and it climbs into the recommended list, I'm sure you'll be the first one here to point out that its old information.

                  And to as far as what I did for the last 5 months?  Come on, you're better than that.  Our patriotism and work here is not a competition.  I won't get into that kind of back and forth on someone else's diary.  But if you really want to know what I did and do, come out to SF and I'll buy you a cup of coffee and we can discuss it.  I think you'd approve.

                  He who gives up liberty in exchange for security is deserving of neither

                  by joby on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 09:26:57 AM PDT

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                  •  Fair enough (none / 0)

                    Maybe I'll take you up on that offer!  Funny how you never hear Freepers debating their level of patriotism...  Wait, they do compete in their own way (nationalism) with "Support the Troops" stickers.

                    You're right, eveyone has a different idea of what constitutes "rec-worthy".  I was off the mark on that one.

                    Blind Faith in Empty Language is Not Patriotism

                    by ColdFusion04 on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 09:44:33 AM PDT

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                    •  Sorry for being an ass (none / 1)

                      It's great information to get out there.  I'm surprised more people haven't seen it.  

                      I don't know what my problem is today... Must be the time change.  I just changed my signature because I'm sick of this damn book clouding people's judgements of my comments.

                      Sorry again.

                      Blind Faith in Empty Language is Not Patriotism

                      by ColdFusion04 on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 10:01:52 AM PDT

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            •  Speaking personally, as someone who tries (none / 0)

              to keep up on the Iraq situation, I had somehow missed hearing this guy's story before this diary, and I appreciated the heads-up on this interview.
            •  Cold fusion (none / 0)

              I think you make a good point.  My only concern is that when we  tell people their diaires are old news, they might be first time diarists and it discourages people. Let's not be so sharp with people.

              Good point, but the diairst could fix this with a reframing.

              "As long as space abides, so too shall I abide, relieving the suffering of sentient beings." Santideva

              by Percheronwoman on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 01:10:55 PM PDT

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  •  Houston - (4.00 / 4)

    I'm sure a lot of people will be interested in this. But you've posted the entire article, which is a copyright problem.

    You can fix this by quoting just snippets of the article and adding your own commentary.

    Small varmints, if you will.

    by 2lucky on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 09:06:50 PM PDT

  •  I do what I can.. (3.96 / 31)

    feel free to send all tips to the DFA. (Note: this is not a shameless plug for DFA)

    "A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs that is incapable of walking forward." - FDR

    by Houston on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 09:10:15 PM PDT

  •  sad, tragic, and required reading... (none / 0)

    i hope that fine young man, aiden delgado, visits every high school, community college, and university in this country... and when he's wrapped that up, he can start working on church groups, civic groups, community groups, business associations, and professional associations... better yet, put it into a film documentary...
    •  with all due.... (none / 0)

      this fine young man shot unarmed prisoners by his own admission, no?

      I find it difficult to use the term "fine" to describe him.  Is he remorseful?  Yes.  Does he realize it is/was wrong?  Yes.  Does he want to change things?  Apparently so.

      But it doesn't absolve him of murder.  I'm sorry, I can't condone that.

      There are many people who are situated to do great things. Most of them don't.

      by Inverted on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 01:31:41 AM PDT

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      •  Article says his buddies did (none / 0)

        Delgado says he observed  [snip] -- all violations of the Geneva conventions. His own buddies--decent, Christian men, as he describes them--shot unarmed prisoners.

        It makes no sense that he would've engaged in this himself, given what the rest of the article says about him living in Middle Eastern / Arabic / Muslim / other cultures.

        Really go read the article online, http://tinyurl.com/6aqfu , which includes:

        This was a very surreal, dark time for me in Iraq. It was tough for me to see brutality coming out of my own unit. I had lived in the Middle East. I had Egyptian friends. I spent nearly a decade in Cairo. I spoke Arabic, and I was versed in Arab culture and Islamic dress. Most of the guys in my unit were in complete culture shock most of the time. They saw the Iraqis as enemies. They lived in a state of fear. I found the Iraqis enormously friendly as a whole.

        OT(?): Look at the URL TinyUrl gave this article. Perhaps the programs gaining consciousness? Call letters: "All Quite F'd Up".  Sigh. That article is horrible and I'm not even finished.

        Be good to each other. It matters.

        by AllisonInSeattle on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 01:50:55 AM PDT

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      •  You never served in the military did you? (4.00 / 5)

        Once you're in uniform, there's usually very little you can to to countemand the prevailing attitudes. Yes, there is a standing directive to disobey any illegal order. And if you believe that actually happens, I've got some books on Mai Lai to share with you.

        I spent 9 years in the USAF, 5 as an officer. This young man is very brave and his message urgent.

        •  I know you are (4.00 / 2)

          100% correct. Does this mean that the only way to stop the atrocities, the war crimes, is to pull out of Iraq immediately? And will Abu Ghraib and the other un-named atrocities of this war just become part of unmentionable history, like My Lai and other atrocities from the Viet Nam war already have? I come from Romania and I know that there was much brutality during the world wars of the last century, but that's what war does, it brutalises everyone who is caught up in it, especially after years and years of fighting it. And the Allies were composed of soldiers and  commanders from many countries, with many different languages spoken, and they were fighting powers who wanted to take over as much territory as they could get. But when the forces are confined to  small geographical areas like Iraq or Viet Nam and are under the command primarily of one nation, isn't it possible to assert more control over the conduct of the forces and to hold them--officers and enlisted troups--accountable for crimes (torture of civilians, mutilations of enemy troups) when they do occur? I leave aside the issue of the legality of this war for now and speak only of those instances when soldiers are not defending themselves, their comrades or areas of safety, etc, only of when some troups cross the line and commit crimes. I respect the military, I come from a military family, and I expect professional conduct from troups. The troups who are not professional, but are brutes, from highest command on down, should be held accountable.

          In 2006, the Congress; in 2008, the White House; in between, out of Iraq.

          by Nina on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 09:13:39 AM PDT

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          •  It all goes back to the training... (none / 0)

            or lack of same.  What we're seeing are the results of putting troops into situations which:

            1. They didn't train for,
            2. Weren't expecting, and
            3. Weren't equipped for.

            Holding down the peace is A LOT harder than moving through the free-fire zone of a battlefield.  It takes a different kind of thinking, restraint and coolness under stress.  It takes people who have been trained for the job - and the Israeli IDF is not the best example to follow, Oi Vey!

            The stress of constantly expecting to be on the receiving end of an "IED" - by the way, whatever happened to the word mine? - or shot at, with little chance to return fire, combined with seeing the results of others who weren't so lucky, all creates the perfect "us against them" environment.  

            By the way that Terri Schaivo (spell?) spokesguy, the former "intelligence officer" spoke about "wogs" or "wiley oriental gentlemen" a "new" term learned from the Brits.  Anyone who's either watched Brit TV shows, movies, etc., or spent a bit of time around "the lads" knows that this epithet ain't new.  A bit closer to "spick" or "chink" for those of us in the US.

            This guy is a perfect example of the kind or arsehole a "professional" army would shit-can ASAP.  Trust me, if you're being tortured, you'll reach a point where you'll say anything for relief.  A key resistance ploy is to try to waste the time of the (professional) interrogator so they'll focus on someone else more.. pliable.  Information forced out of prisoners is always suspect.

            "Kiss my shiny metal ass. And FTFY" - Bender

            by seronimous on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 10:15:42 AM PDT

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          •  Let the trials begin (none / 0)

            Citizens' Courts, first.  Then, to be repeated in the official system, when the junta is replaced...

            If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State...

            by HenryDavid on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 11:34:58 AM PDT

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          •  We're so much in agreement on this. (none / 0)

            I just want those who are willing to break the silence to be protected and encouraged to tell their stories. This young man is taking his life in his hands by doing so.
        •  I hear what you are saying (none / 0)

          And, yes, I was in the military but not in a combat capacity.

          At any rate, I misread the original article about his NOT participating in the atrocities committed.

          One thing that should be noted is that in the Nuremberg trials, the explanation about the perceptions of the soldiers and "carrying out" orders were never an adequate defense.

          It is alarming to me that there are seemingly more than a few soldiers who act in such a manner.  This person is describing his entire unit as acting so.

          I'm not here laying blame, but I am speaking of responsibility.  This soldier is doing something good by speaking of this to others and trying to get the word out.

          What I do wonder is has he ever asked his friend if shooting that prisoner was right?  Has he questioned people that he has described as good about their actions and their incongruence with their beliefs?  If there are many like minded people, it'd be possible for him to affect the culture/mentality of those whom he considers reasonable and friends.

          Personally, I'd have to say the outrage continues.  The "constant" threat of IED's was partly created by the excessive use of force on civilians.  Fallujah's FIRST protest (regarding wages/jobs/security/electricity) was met by the killing of unarmed protesters (despite the military insisting that they were, with independent reporters saying the opposite).  The fear of IED's comes from breaking into a person's home in the dead of night scaring their women and children.  In some instances, soldiers in those raids have robbed homes.

          I'm not sure how a person in their mind reconciles robbery with being "good" or religious.

          Once again, I agree that he needs to speak out.  I'm just sorry for the unnecessary loss of life and the subsequent sanctioning of the dehumanizing of Iraqi's/muslims by the military and tacitly by the Administration.

          There are many people who are situated to do great things. Most of them don't.

          by Inverted on Wed Apr 06, 2005 at 05:10:13 AM PDT

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      •  Delgado did not commit crimes (none / 1)

        My son and I saw him get pepper sprayed in DC at the counter inaugural.  he is a whistle blower. he deserves our respect.  he is not a war criminal and we should not suggest that of anyone who is in Iraq and witnesses these crimes.  We need their witness and it will make them reluctant to come forward.

        "As long as space abides, so too shall I abide, relieving the suffering of sentient beings." Santideva

        by Percheronwoman on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 01:13:08 PM PDT

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  •  Shades of high school, circa 1968 (none / 1)

    A young man came back to his old high school to give us kids a talk about his experiences in Viet Nam. I clearly remember his face in the assembly as he told about questioning Viet Cong prisoners in a helicopter, flying high over a sea. One wouldn't answer. They threw him out into the sea.
    "You should have seen the other guy start talking, man, he talked so fast we couldn't get it all down!" I'll never forget that.

    War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

    by Margot on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 09:38:37 PM PDT

  •  it had to break somedamntime! (4.00 / 6)

    Of course America's young people are going nuts. I'm a Bush 43 vet who only spent a few month in-country. We need to get our kids out of there because the only  freedom Bush is spreading is mental illness and homelessness!!!!!!!!!!! I think ALL of us need to organize a march to the WH ASAP. We truly need to get up off of our collective asses--yesterday. The msm couldn't ignore that. John Kerry did it. Why not all Kossacks? Anybody who cannot afford it and sincerely wants to march can hitch a ride with US!!! I'm not worried about myself right now. This post is for my three children, my mom and dad and my grandparents.
    So, let's get 'er done. (or him) That's a moot point.

    Life was meant to be lived, and curiosity must be kept alive. Eleanor Roosevelt

    by blueohio on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 09:39:06 PM PDT

    •  March 19th (none / 1)

      On that date, such marches happened. Not just on D.C. but all over the world.

      But what did we hear about? Terri Schiavo. One tragedy in a sea of hundreds of thousands. The volume on the former story? Deafening. The silence on the latter? Just as deafening.

      Let's keep marching, though, of course, until we can no longer be ignored. My fear is that as with Viet Nam, it's going to take a great many more deaths before there will be enough momentum to this country's outrage to make them stop.

      •  Almost worse than not hearing (4.00 / 2)

        about the March 19th demonstrations - worldwide - was the dismissive front page coverage in the NY Times:

         One small close-up photo of some demonstrators, and a caption that said that there were demonstrations in various places, but a noticeably smaller turnout than in previous years.

        At least the Week In Review section did a nice photo essay around the same time - photos from demonstrations around the world on various issues during the same week: strikers in Athens, WTO (I think) protestors in Guatemala, Syrians, more.  It was provocative, that is, it made you think.

  •  Definitely read the linked article-a sample here (4.00 / 8)

    From the referenced article, an incident at Abu Graib, the prisoners want food and shelter during winter and are protesting:

    'One of my buddies got hit in the face. He got a bloody nose. But he wasn't hurt. The guards asked permission to use lethal force. They got it. They opened fire on the prisoners with the machine guns. They shot twelve and killed three. I know because I talked to the guy who did the killing. He showed me these grisly photographs, and he bragged about the results. "Oh," he said, "I shot this guy in the face. See, his head is split open." He talked like the Terminator. "I shot this guy in the groin, he took three days to bleed to death." I was shocked. This was the nicest guy you would ever want to meet. He was a family man, a really courteous guy, a devout Christian. I was stunned and said to him: "You shot an unarmed man behind barbed wire for throwing a stone." He said, "Well, I knelt down. I said a prayer, stood up and gunned them all down." There was a complete disconnect between what he had done and his own morality.'

    Knelt down, said a prayer, stood up and gunned them all down. Unarmed detainees freezing behind barbed wire.

    What the fuck have we become?  This in the name of freedom?

    "In the end we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." MLK, changed to this during the 2008 FISA fight

    by bewert on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 09:51:13 PM PDT

    •  Beyond contempt (none / 0)

      That is the way most of the rest of the world sees the US thanks to our corrupt administration.

      "Blessed are the Peacemakers" - Jesus

      by SisTwo on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 10:08:04 PM PDT

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      •  not just (none / 0)

        our corrupt administration, but by the actions of those who "disconnect".

        We have generals who've spoken about enjoying killing, others who speak of Satan in Fallujah, others who pack naked prisoners in perverted pyramids....

        That isn't the administration.  Those are individual actions.  No bones about it, Bushco put people in bad situations, but it can not excuse, explain or condone the individual actions of these men (and women).

        There are many people who are situated to do great things. Most of them don't.

        by Inverted on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 01:36:55 AM PDT

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    •  st augustine (none / 0)

      love, and do as you will.

      indeed, the disconnect is so scary as to make all of this beyond macabre.

      _______________

      it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

      -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

      by dadanation on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 10:08:27 PM PDT

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    •  Crusade! (none / 0)

      " He said, "Well, I knelt down. I said a prayer, stood up and gunned them all down."

      Not only is he a brutal, immoral psychopath, he's an idiot, too. The last thing we need right now is morons like this going out of their way to convince Arabs that our occupation of Iraq is the first step in a new holy crusade.

      Not that that saying so is entirely inaccurate, mind... But once that becomes accepted, we'll have to wait generations before we can reopen meaningful peaceful relations with the Arab world.

      •  It IS a Crusade (none / 1)

        among other things obviously.

        This soldier is not an idiot. He may be a war criminal, but he is not (neccesarily) an idiot. He is acting in keeping with his mission as professed by high-ranking officers who have quite explicitly described the U.S. Army as a "Christian Army." The message he might send to Iraqi Muslims is one that has already been sent repeatedly by previous U.S. actions.

        Sick of candidate diaries? Kasama!
        "Tell no lies. Claim no easy victories" -- Amilcar Cabral

        by Christopher Day on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 10:08:19 AM PDT

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  •  Its a Sad (none / 0)

    time we live in. The 60's and 70's all over again.
    Only this time we seem to be topping that sorry period in our history.

    Maybe my sig should be:
    If you don't learn from history your bound to over achieve !

    Looks like it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better then even I imagined -Anonymous roofer 11/7/2000-

    by Kiss the Sky on Sat Apr 02, 2005 at 10:30:15 PM PDT

  •  There goes his political future. (none / 0)

    Having the courage to speak of atrocities committed by your fellow countrymen makes you a traitor.
    •  I applaud him for speaking up (none / 1)

      political future or not. Let's be glad that the Kerry stunt didn't work. Since Kerry never called them on it, I beleive Kerry was in on the SBVT stunt.

      Kerry could've connected his own legacy of helping stop the Viet Nam war to the those revealing what went on in Abu Ghraib. That way the SBVT-gus would be seen as defending the atrocities. He never did. And that makes me beleive he was in on a game to stop further revelations from guys in Iraq and elsewhere.

      Restore Democracy! Denounce the GOP (Georgie's Orwellian Party)!

      by high5 on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 03:19:43 AM PDT

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  •  on a related note (none / 1)

    Dahr Jamail is still touring in the US - website
    He will be on the west coast this month.

    For those of you who are unfamiliar Dahr, he is an independent reporter who has done some remarkable work in Iraq.

    I was lucky enough to see him speak several weeks ago, and would encourage anyone who is interested in the war to bookmark his site, and support his work. In the future, men like Dahr could be the last source of valid information we have over there.

  •  "racism...is driving the occupation...." (none / 1)

    This is a very astute observation. I would add that racism and xenophobia are behind both the domestic support for the occupation, and the widespread indifference among Americans to the atrocities the U.S. has inflicted on Iraq.

    "Men use thought only to justify their wrongdoing, and employ speech only to conceal their thoughts." Voltaire

    by chimpwatch on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 03:30:19 AM PDT

    •  If they're brown, bomb them (none / 0)

      If they're white, talk to them.

      Be good to each other. It matters.

      by AllisonInSeattle on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 02:32:16 PM PDT

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      •  Reminds me of WWII attitudes I've read about (none / 0)

        Americans really, really hated the Japanese. It was common for U.S. soldiers in the Pacific to collect Japanese ears and make necklaces out of them. When it came to the Germans, however, we only hated the Nazi leaders. Watch the propaganda from that era and you'll see.  

        "Men use thought only to justify their wrongdoing, and employ speech only to conceal their thoughts." Voltaire

        by chimpwatch on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 03:27:02 PM PDT

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  •  "Beat the F Out of detainees" order (4.00 / 2)

    U.S. Soldiers Told to 'Beat the F*k Out of' Detainees by William Fisher.

     "The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is charging that U.S. Army documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show that the mistreatment of detainees in Iraq was much more widespread than the government has admitted."

    "Soldiers were told to "beat the fk out of detainees": Army documents include sworn statements that soldiers were told in August 2003 to "take the detainee(s) out back and beat the f*k out of them.""

    more at the above link....the aclu received 1200 pages of documents last weekend...it was deliberately delayed 4 days...because they love releasing this shit on the weekend...and what with terri and the pope...no one's talking about this horrible, horrible, horrible story

  •  Everyone needs to send a link (none / 0)

    and the opening of this article to their Senators and Reps and DEMAND congressional hearings on the information provided here.

    Wouldn't hurt to append a call for impeachment either.

    How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

    by hannah on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 06:41:34 AM PDT

  •  This is not surprising (none / 0)

    War corrupts the souls of the people caught up in its embrace.  Every war has its own record of atrocity.  When you unleash the passions of fear and anger (as war does) you unleash all that is wicked, deceitful and brutish.

    I fear for our soldiers.  They are being harmed beyond measure in this hell Bush and his minions have created,

    "I just had the basic view of the American public -- it can't be that bad out there." Marine Travis Williams after 11 members of his squad were killed.

    by Steven D on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 09:37:48 AM PDT

  •  I was encouraged to hear (none / 0)

    from my son the other day when he came home from high school that a vet of the Iraq war had been speaking to the students about the horrors he had witnessed, and the personal toll it had taken on him--apparently he referred to himself as now "crazy" with PTSD--the non-PC language certainly appears to have made an impression on the kids, thanks to his courage in sharing his unvarnished truth.

    ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

    by bibble on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 10:19:10 AM PDT

  •  Your Tax Dollars At Work (none / 0)

    http://www.warresisters.org/wtr.htm

    On the sliding spectrum of responsibility ("guilt") and innocence, on which side of the middle is "merely" paying for others to go kill, rape, and torture?

    If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State...

    by HenryDavid on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 11:41:59 AM PDT

  •  We dare never leave Iraq, if this be true (none / 0)

    If we do...the Iraqis themselves will lead the unification of Islam against us.

    I find myself wondering if that is why people in the Deep South fought Civil Rights, long after they knew it was the right thing to do...

    ...because of the shame of having not done the right thing in the first place.

  •  What really hit me from this article, (none / 0)

    apart from the violence, was the use of the word "Hajji" as a racial slur.  "Hajji" is a term of reverence and respect, for elders who have made the pilgrimage.  Hearing it used so scornfully really underscores the dehumanization of Iraqis-- Muslims in general-- by our military.
  •  Well... (none / 1)

    I wrote LTEs to the NYT and WaPo, wrote to Sens. Reid and Boxer, plus my two senators, plus the two senators where I'll be moving later this year, plus my rep.  Oh yeah, and Bush, even though he'll never see it and wouldn't care if he did.

    Also posted it in my LJ and emailed it to family.  Anything else I can do?

    Dammit, I'm getting so tired of my outrage and the lack of mainstream coverage.  Why isn't the country angry about this??

    You can't tame the white supremacist power structure with cheese!

    by andlorr on Sun Apr 03, 2005 at 01:20:10 PM PDT

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