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Did US Military Errors Kill Calipari?

Sun May 01, 2005 at 09:26:03 AM PDT

Update [2005-5-2 4:2:28 by gilgamesh]:

I've updated this diary because, on further reflection, I realized I was a bit over-hasty in dismissing out of hand the possibility of deliberate assasination. But I was writing in a hurry.

I still believe it is extremely far-fetched, but the report clearly doesn't rule it out. Why did the commander responsible for coordinating Negropente's movements not bother to radio in to the troops on the ground the command to dismantle the improvised check points? We'll probably never really know.

And therein lies a broader and more fundamental lesson here: If the US really did want to assasinate Sgrena, or anyone other foreign citizen for that matter, who is going to hold them accountable? The ICC? the Italian government? The German? The French? The UN? Tony Blair???

We have some extraordinary new developments in the case of Nicola Calipari, the Italian intelligence agent killed by US military forces on April 4th during an operation to liberate the captive journalist for Il Manifesto Giuliana Sgrena.

According to La Repubblica, the final investigator's report, which has just been published on the Web, was blackened out in various sections in order to hide some rather important details, but an error in the cancellation process has made it possible to read the unexpurgated version of the report in its entirety:

All of a sudden we know first names and last names.  We know the units from which the soldiers who manned check point 541 and shot at the car carrying Giuliana Sgrena, Nicola Calipari and the other SISMI agent who was driving came from. We also know his [the drivers] name. We know the name of the other agent of Sismi who was in telephone contact with Calipari from Bagdad. We know who the agents were who, that night of April 4th, had one single priority: to protect the convoy of the person who in all of the reports is called VIP, the US ambassador in Iraq John Negroponte. And we know that something, among all of the extraordinary means of communation which the US military had its disposal did not work and that they were unable to make known to the various check points that the Vip had already passed and arrived at destination.

The omissions with which the report of the US commison is interlarded just failed to work. Becasue of  a technical error. Just get a copy of the pdf format of the document from the website of the command of the multinataional forces in Iraq, copy the text and paste it into a normal word-procesing program. Or, change the background color of the pdf and choose white for the text color. Three movements of the mouse and all the secrets fall right out.

And what exactly do the obscured parts of the document reveal that we didn't know before:

The man who opened fire on the Toyota is Mario Lozano, member of the NY national guard. He was one of the three "specialists" of the check point. The others, all of them of the 69th infantry regiment are a captain and four sergeants.

Drew calculated the velocity of the car and said that it was eleveted, so much so that it wouldn't be able to make the curve. Lozano thre down the mirror which he held and began firing at the car.  

But there's also much more crucial information which exposes the truth of what really happened that night of April 4th, information which was never exchanged with the Italian members of the so-called "joint" commision.

One of the most important passages regards the communications problems which the Americans experienced that night, intolerable above all in such a delicate monent as that one, with the movements of Negroponte. The report states that communications usually take place through the Voice over Internet Protocol, but that night there were problems. The commander of the 76th company who coordinated the movements  of the  US ambassador was not able to communicate thosse movements to the command of the Fourth brigade. Nor did he attempt to do so by radio.

Now pay careful attention here, folks, and repeat after me:

The result was that the order to dismantle the improvised check points, like the one established near the airport never arrived. For this reason the men at the check point of the 69th company remained in a state of total alert.

In other words, had the communications system functioned properly OR had the commander of the 76th company who was respobible for coordinating the movements of Negroponte bothered to try to radio in the orders, this incident would have been avoided and Nicola Calipari would still be alive today.

Therefore, it seems probabale to me that there was no assasination attempt on the one hand, and no carelessness on the part of Nicola Calipari and the other Sismi agents, no reckless driving or other irresponsible conduct on the part of the driver on the other. What we have is probably simply absolute incompetence and stupidity which resulted in miscommunication on the American side.

Furthermore:

There are also recommendations to improve the procedures of control at the check points in order to avoid a repition of episodes similar to that of Calipari. Among these: take in consideration the use of "ulterior non lethal measures"; do not leave to the same man who is the guardian with the spotlight of recognition the responsibility of opening fire. A sort of recognition of responsibiity or, in any case, an admission that something more could have been done to avoid that tragic death.

Meanhwhile, according to Il Manifesto, the mutual hostility between the CIA and the Pentagon on one side and the agents of SISMI and the Italian governement on the other continue to escalate.

Sources inside the Italian intelligence services explain that they recieved with "shock" the revelations about satellite images of the incident that are allegedly in the possesion of the Pentagon that were reported on CBS. "If these reports were true, it means that evidence fundmantal to the investigation was denied to the joint commision by the Pentago." "That which strikes one is the scarse consideration of the anomymous origins of the the reports, the underestimation of the consideration that, if there were true, it would mean the substraction of information from an the commision's investigation." The subtext is clear: the Italian governement has proof not only that the two Italians on the commision explicity asked for satellite images of the shooting. But that it also has evidence that the US had signed documnts attesting to the fact that no such images existed and that for this reason they coulnìt be ut as the diposition of the Italians.

While Berlusconi continues to maintain the charade of humble Bush sock puppet, unrest and dissatisfation with Italy's war-footing in Iraq is finally beggining to take hold on one member of the right, at least. Roberto Calderoli, minister of riform,  said today, "In the light of the dissonances which emerged in the joiint commision...it's time for the majority and the governement to undertake a detailed and attentive reflection on the time for withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

Well, let's hope there not playing games this time. Here's the report itself without the omissions, so you don't have to go through the process decsribed above. Here's the report with the omissions. Compare and contrast. LOL!!! Why so much secrecy, sarge?

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  •  christ... (4.00 / 25)

    i'm dead exhausted. I'll try to pt the links up as soon as I recover, IF I RECOVER...........

    trabslated from three sources in one hour or so..

    Sunstantive stuff here, though...

    What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

    by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 09:28:32 AM PDT

  •  Don't believe it, the Pentagon has done of the (none / 1)

    best spin machines you will ever come across. The excuse given here places the blame on the military but in a way where no one can be charged with anything. Far too convenient.
    •  This is the... (4.00 / 4)

      unexpurgated version, is all I'm saying. what they really wantted, and still want,to accomlish is to cast the blame entirely on the Italians!!!

      How many times do I have to explain this? They're not blaing anyone. The uS continue to insist that Sgrena's nuts, Calipra's wa an ass, and the driver was speeing. This PROVES that that, at least, is comletely false.

      What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

      by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 09:46:03 AM PDT

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  •  WTF.... (4.00 / 5)

    I have even more mathematuiacl proof, but i won't let you know unless I get  recommends and comemnts :P

    What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

    by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 09:49:21 AM PDT

  •  "Incompetence" can be deliberate. (none / 1)

    What better way to accomplish something you want to happen that by seeing to it that that is what is likely to happen because of something that you have failed to do?

    By the way, as others ask on another thread, if Negroponte didn't travel by helicopter because of bad weather, would there be usable satellite images?

    The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

    by lysias on Sun May 01, 2005 at 09:51:34 AM PDT

    •  Negroponte (4.00 / 2)

      I am instinctively suspicious of a Happy [for US] End story which uses Negroponte as cover. My instant reaction was that Negroponte's cough visit was the joker card they played to fluffy the factoids. How interesting that "communications failed" when the squad needed to be called off duty in an environment where the US High Command is gunning for unembedded jornos.

      I had missed the threads to which you refer and am interested to learn from you that, as I suspected, detail on Negroponte's Visit is fraught with upstream backfill which now chokes a newer and more neutral truth, winkled from between the whiteout lines of a Pentagonal reportski.

      How very routine.

      •  Not routine... (none / 0)

        at all. This is a whitewash from the beginning to the end of it. The US has done, finished...no more..investigation of this matter....judge , jusry ,prosecruor, defence, etxc....

        They've bvlamed on the speeding driver, and irrepsonsible comminations on the itlaona sisde.-.That's itr for them. US troops or commanders cannot be held liable for their actions anyway on god's green earth..

        And this is here being revealved once again ot the eyes of thr world. Niclola Claipar's name is being trashed thought the mud!!!!

        None of this would have happened if it hadn't have been for the monstrous cirsumstamces in which troops are places in the repupulvive war. Isn't that a story??? Or do people have to have a delibatare assasiantion theory to ineterst them?

        What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

        by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 10:27:34 AM PDT

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        •  My comment was not intended to be (4.00 / 2)

          dismissive, but rather to highlight the US Military's lost honour, in a situation where there ought to have been mutiny prior to the unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation.

          But now, with all honour shred, why of course it is routine to betray allies - they were betrayed into participating, in the fist place. The so-called war is a lie and a scam and a sadistic tomfoolery.

          •  Oh,,, (none / 1)

            business as usual. Yes, I definitely agree with that!!

            It's tragic when you put it that way though. It seems as if even the best part of the the Amercian people have become so jaded  by almost five years of this crap, that they're almost ready to call it quits and start tuning out of the policital universe . That's might be the worst and most profound damge that the Bush admisntarion has inflicted on the world as a whole.

            What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

            by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 11:13:45 AM PDT

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    •  I don't deny it... (none / 0)

      but the importance of this story doens't live or die with that possibility.

      What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

      by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 10:47:42 AM PDT

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  •  Links to information (none / 0)

    The story original (in Italian) and babelfish translation

    The restored document in MS Word format and html (a mirror).

    Slashdot also has a discussion, mostly on the total idiocy of using this technique to obscure information.

    Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. -- Henrik Ibsen

    by mik on Sun May 01, 2005 at 09:53:02 AM PDT

    •  Why the fuck.. (none / 0)

      did I wite the diary, for chitsis. skae....+ù

      I don't need BabbleFUCKIINGSHIT!!! All the relebvent links are there!!

      What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

      by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 09:57:36 AM PDT

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      •  Sorry, but... (none / 0)

        All the relebvent links are there!!

        Yep, but several are broken because you mispelt "href" as "herf" on the document links near the end of your diary (still broken as of this writing).

        For this reason I couldn't find direct links in it yesterday (and didn't bother to examine the html source) - so I filled-in what appeared to me to be missing information, as well as the slashdot link.

        I certainly was not intending to detract from your excellent diary.

        Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. -- Henrik Ibsen

        by mik on Mon May 02, 2005 at 07:39:05 AM PDT

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        •  Oh boy,, (none / 0)

          broken links, too!! That's what I get when I rush...

          I see your point. Thanks for informing me, at least I'll try to be more careful next time...

          What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

          by gilgamesh on Mon May 02, 2005 at 08:54:16 AM PDT

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  •  BBC (4.00 / 7)

    Italy keen to search for own truth

    Those Italians who thought the deployment of troops to Iraq was a necessary act of loyalty towards an ally are particularly embittered by the US inquiry's conclusions.

    Many are now calling for a swift withdrawal, and even the Minister for Reforms, the Northern League's Roberto Calderoli, urged the government to reflect on "a schedule for the return of the troops".

    "If the US troops really respected the rules of engagement... it means that the rules of engagement are wrong," he said.

    Read the European view at the European Tribune

    by fran1 on Sun May 01, 2005 at 10:01:18 AM PDT

    •  The investigation.. (4.00 / 2)

      is ongoing over here, that's correct.

      Even Berlusoni has said, and he's stuck by it, Italy will not sign off on anything so unacceptable. So there will be ballistics tests and probably a trial in absentia for the individuals (one of them Italain-American, ironically enough)

      What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

      by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 10:43:35 AM PDT

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  •  accident (none / 0)

    So after the thousands of conspiracy theories we've had on here it appears to be a simple fuck up in a war zone.  Something that happens every day in a place where life and death decisions are made every minute.  Maybe people will shut up about it now.  Its a fucking war zone for christ's sakes.  Shit happens.  Always has, always will.
    •  Exactly (4.00 / 4)

      what the Pentagon wants you to think!

      Read the full report. No, it may not validate "conspiracy theories," but it certainly proves that our military forces are a bunch of incompetent bumblers.

      And yes, shit happens. But why does SO much shit happen on our watch?

      •  Thanks (4.00 / 2)

        matt, I cound't have explained it any better right now......

        way too exhausted and frustrated. If you cna't figure out why all this is imoprtant click in my name and read the other diaries I've written about this case and the US militray absolute unnaccountablly to anyone. The deliberate legal WHITEWASHING, supression of evidence, slandering the name of an Italian national hero, the nature of the rulesof engament are not evene going to be brought into question,etc, etc, etc

        What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

        by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 10:35:08 AM PDT

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      •  You just wrote Bush's epitaph (none / 1)

        "Why did SO much shit happen on my watch?"

        This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

        by Agathena on Sun May 01, 2005 at 12:08:47 PM PDT

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    •  yeah, no big deal... go back to sleep... (4.00 / 3)

      oh well, a hero of Itallian intelligence died having just rescued a hostage journalist, due to serious fuckups by US military, but that's the way the cookie crumbles in a warzone. Forgive and forget. And the next time it happens, and the next time, forgive and forget again.

      Sorry, but this needs to be taken absolutely seriously. There are a lot of lives being lost that NEED NOT BE. All morality, responsibility, and caution does not fly out the window just because a war is happening.

    •  I won't (4.00 / 2)

      shut up about Bush's assassinations and terrorist attacks against America for electoral success.  Nor will I shut up about his treason against America on several other fronts:  economically, trying to bankrupt the country; socially, trying to start a civil war over abortion and gays to avert an Orange Revolution like in Ukraine; environmentally, Bush is a traitor to mankind via his associations to Big Oil/ Big Pharma and their attempts to kill off mankind for money.

      So, I suggest you take your "war zone" aid and comfort for enemy (Bush) and stick it.

    •  and.. (4.00 / 3)

      ..it is no accident that the CNN executive (who received no whistleblower protection) around the time that Bush ordered the hit, was saying that Bush was ordering journalists to be harrassed, shot at, and actually killed.

      Read before you speak.

    •  The question here is not whether or not there was (4.00 / 3)

      a conspiracy (although some people keep bringing that idea up).

      And if there was no conspiracy, that doesn't mean you can just chalk it up to having occurred in a war zone and to the fact that "shit happens".

      There's a third interpretation, and this is what's coming to light: that, as many of us suspected, the U.S. has been deliberately lying about what happened, and this fact has now been exposed. There is proof -- through its own incompetence, ironically enough -- of the U.S.'s trying to whitewash, to cover up (literally) the truth, to lay the blame on the victims (the Italians). This means that they knew they were at fault, otherwise there would have been no reason to do such a thing.

      And what it comes down to for the Italians is that they obviously cannot trust the country they thought was their friend and ally, and whom they (or at least Berlusconi) agreed to help in this misadventure of a war.

      THAT is the truth.
      No need for a conspiracy theory.
      And, at least in this case, shit didn't just "happen". It was caused. And they tried to cover that up, practically rendering a document false by its omissions.

      "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

      by Donna in Rome on Sun May 01, 2005 at 11:12:27 AM PDT

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      •  Incompetance or not? (none / 0)

        We all feel clever that we can find things poorly masked in a pdf. What better way to make their lies credible than to make us work a little for them? I tend to believe the faux-redactions may very well be intentional. They serve well to make us think that what they had to hide was actually not much. It is just as likely that the 'redacted' parts were the most important fabrications in the entire report. They are now being trumpeted extra loud.

        Please always refer to Negroponte as 'Father of the Death Squad', so that we can maintain perspective.

        •  Cache... (none / 0)

          and others: You're points are well-taken. I wrote this in kind of a rush and still got beatn out by someone who, IMHO, broke the rules on the length of diaries so they could break the scoop before I did.

          I'm updating this to take account f the fact that I asboluely DO NOT exclude the posibility of more serious foul-play!!

          What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

          by gilgamesh on Mon May 02, 2005 at 12:44:52 AM PDT

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          •  Gilgamesh (none / 0)

            your contribution in this area is epic, as it were. Don't let the other diary get to you. If you repost with some later reaction, I'll recommend again. You're the source on scene, you will always trump other diaries. I recommend a more zen attitude about diaries... they are like writing on flowing water.

            I tend to go into deep conspiracy mode pretty easily, given that my wont to disbelieve the evil or incompetance of US foreign policy is ALWAYS proven naive, and Bush junta actions are usually much worse than even my darkest speculations initially make them. It would be fascinating if there were another assasination target in the car besides Sgrena. I think that those who claim it must be a mistake, either because they didn't finish the job, or because they're just scared kids with .50 cal machine guns are simply underestimating the chilling effect that the incident has on journalists and agents in Iraq. If it really is a death-squad-style terrorist act, then we must remember that the direct victim is not the main target. The main target of terrorism is those who are not involved, but will be influenced or intimidated.

            •  As i mentioned in... (none / 0)

              an ancient cuneiform tablet diary from....last month or so, the incident already had the devasting effect, among others, of eliminating all Italian journlists from Iraq, whether intentional or not. Italy used to have some excellent foriegn correspondents (Guiliana Sgrena being just one of them) who provided intersting and independent reports from Iraq. Now...well,thank goodness there's Juan Cole, Dhar Jamail and others, otherwise I would be totally dependent on the recycled Pentagin and CBS reports which most of the Itakian media is now relying on.

              What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

              by gilgamesh on Mon May 02, 2005 at 05:43:52 AM PDT

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            •  As i mentioned in... (none / 0)

              an ancient cuneiform tablet diary from....last month or so, the incident already had the devasting effect, among others, of eliminating all Italian journlists from Iraq, whether intentional or not. Italy used to have some excellent foriegn correspondents (Guiliana Sgrena being just one of them) who provided intersting and independent reports from Iraq. Now...well,thank goodness there's Juan Cole, Dhar Jamail and others, otherwise I would be totally dependent on the recycled Pentagin and CBS reports which most of the Italian media is now relying on.

              What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

              by gilgamesh on Mon May 02, 2005 at 05:47:02 AM PDT

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  •  So Calipari died (none / 1)

    in the fog of war?

    Interesting that the redacted parts of the documents could be so easily unredacted.  I hesitate to ascribe that to conspiracy, but these folks lie about everything so who knows?

    Stop violence against women!

    by AndyT on Sun May 01, 2005 at 10:47:08 AM PDT

    •  I have--- (4.00 / 2)

      serious dounts that they would have wanted her killed. However, there are other possibilites. There are still-unresolved questions about the possible exitenece of a fourth man (one of the kidknappers?) in the car who may have been the real target.

      Such questions also need to taken seriously. But we do have strong evdence that something went profoundly awary here on the US side which adamantly  refuse to admit. That, in itself, will probably give rise to decaded of speculation, as in the Aldo Moro case, or JFK. I don't want to encourage that path though because I have absoluely no evidence and it's too easy to get trapped  in it.

      What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

      by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 10:55:23 AM PDT

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  •  Satellite photos (4.00 / 3)

    I laughed when I heard the Pentagon using that as evidence. After Colin Powell's ace satellite photos at the UN, how can anyone take our satellite pictures seriously anymore. Or, for that matter, after the fake satellite pictures from 1991 that showed Saddam massed on the Saudi border. In any case, as soon as our Pentagon says "satellite photos" I think the rest of the world should just laugh in our face.

    This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

    by emptywheel on Sun May 01, 2005 at 10:53:37 AM PDT

    •  I did laugh. (4.00 / 2)

      Tell me another one, I said.

      And they did. It's communications failure. Oh: good one, that. Great for an army in the field under constant attack, no safe road to the airport, having to fly in all it's food, water and gas supplies, at great uncontrolled cost to the You Ess Taxpayer, cost plus five percent on a no-bid sweetheart deal.

      Right. Communications failure. Could this be the very reason behind the unmistakable state of retreat in which the US is now bogged down.

      Mind: if they could have blamed the uprising, somehow without impugning the High Command, would they have hesitated?

      •  Communication failure (none / 1)

        OT, but I was flying out of Beijing last Monday and my plane was 2.5 hours delayed because "the radar system in all of eastern China was out." Kid you not. Yup, the radar between Beijing and hairtrigger North Korea (not to mention evil former-imperialist Japan) was out. Yup, I buy that, too.

        But I was thinking of that this morning when the Pentagon discovered another N Korean rocket.

        This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

        by emptywheel on Sun May 01, 2005 at 11:08:02 AM PDT

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    •  good point... (none / 1)

      remember also that the existnece of these top-secret videos was reaveled anonymously to CBS for the consumption of the American viwer, as it were.

      There's so much nonsense in this adminstarions you canìt make head not tail of anything anymore. Incomptence,lying, lying to cover up incomptenece, incompetence to cover up lying, lying to cover up incompetence to cover up lying about incompetence to cover up lying. ad infinitum...

      What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

      by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 11:00:34 AM PDT

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    •  [Bull] shit happens. (none / 0)

      This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

      by Agathena on Sun May 01, 2005 at 12:15:01 PM PDT

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  •  Even More Lies! (none / 1)

    Drew calculated the velocity of the car and said that it was eleveted, so much so that it wouldn't be able to make the curve.

    This makes no sense at all. Given that we now know that the driver wasn't a suicide bomber, how could he possibly be going that fast? Why would he be going that fast? And why, if the soldiers apparently opened fire at the front of the car, were all the bullet holes in the rear?

    Is it possible that these soldiers at the checkpoint weren't the American troops that actually did the damage to the car? That there were others, who didn't finish the kill because other troops had moved in?

    •  Go ask gonzo.. (none / 0)

      or whatever the heck his name is in the recommended diary!!

      What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

      by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 11:49:38 AM PDT

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    •  Sgrena claims there was no reason to speed (none / 0)

      since they were 700 meters/765 yards from their destination.

      This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

      by Agathena on Sun May 01, 2005 at 12:13:05 PM PDT

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      •  Futhermore... (none / 0)

        the drive and Sgrena bith insist that the car had just slowed down to avoid a puddle of water. The extince of such puddles and of treacherous driving conditions is confirmed by the fact that the VIP (as I wull refer to the asshole Negroponte from now on)
        couldn't travel by helicpter due to the horrible weather.

        Almost immediatley after that they came to the turn in the road.

        The Pentagon claims that the first shot was fired before they approached the turn.

        Let's see the evidence for this.

        What a fool I was then. To think that men's lives should be entruted to such fools as myslef"----Julius Caesar in GB Shaw

        by gilgamesh on Sun May 01, 2005 at 12:25:41 PM PDT

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  •  GREAT Diary, Recommended! (none / 0)

    Gilgamesh lives in Italy and his contributions from the 'other side' are invaluable.

    Thanks again gilgamesh!

    This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

    by Agathena on Sun May 01, 2005 at 12:04:18 PM PDT

  •  Ah, yes, communication errors (none / 1)

    This explanation worked well for why Bush was so slow to respond to 9-11, time to pull out this excuse once again, I guess.

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

    by TracieLynn on Sun May 01, 2005 at 01:02:35 PM PDT

  •  Well I liked it. (none / 1)

    Not that it (my opinion that is) counts for much.  And I appreciate the effort and will keep an eye out for you in the future.

    Massive incompetence at every level is why I still believe in the moon landing.  Government is simply too screwed up to tell a lie that big and make it stick (and there is that pesky laser target).  Still, every time I watch the MSM a little of that confidence gets chipped away.

    Wish I had some inspired snark for you, you'll just have to settle for my thanks.

  •  Analysis of the Vangjel report (none / 0)

    I've noticed some interesting things about it. Please excuse me for pimping my diary.

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