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The Pet Goat, The Sequel

Fri May 13, 2005 at 10:33:57 AM PDT

It's the protocol, Stupid!

The press conference is almost amusing.  The hands-on Commander-in-Chief was kept safely and blissfully unaware of an evacuation, one that included his wife, while he was allowed to finish his bike ride through the Maryland countryside.

More, and a transcript link, after the break...

Q Scott, yesterday the White House was on red alert, was evacuated. The First Lady and Nancy Reagan were taken to a secure location. The Vice President was evacuated from the grounds. The Capitol building was evacuated. The continuity of government plan was initiated. And yet, the President wasn't told of yesterday's events until after he finished his bike ride, about 36 minutes after the all-clear had been sent. Is he satisfied with the fact that he wasn't notified about this?

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes. I think you just brought up a very good point -- the protocols that were in place after September 11th were followed. The President was never considered to be in danger because he was at an off-site location. The President has a tremendous amount of trust in his Secret Service detail.

The Secret Service detail that was traveling with the President was being kept apprised of the situation as it was developing. They were in close contact with officials back here at the White House. And the President appreciates the job that they do.

Q The fact that the President wasn't in danger is one aspect of this. But he's also the Commander-in-Chief. There was a military operation underway. Other people were in contact with the White House. Shouldn't the Commander-in-Chief have been notified of what was going on?

MR. McCLELLAN: John, the protocols that we put in place after September 11th were being followed. They did not require presidential authority for this situation. I think you have to look at each situation and the circumstances surrounding the situation. And that's what officials here at the White House were doing. That's what officials were doing that were with the President at the off-site location, and this was a matter of minutes when all this was happening, when the alert level was going from yellow to orange to red, and then it went back down to yellow when the plane turned away.

The Media, usually not too bothered by Administration policies, are not too happy as they begin to realize that they were not a big priority when it came to saving lives.  They, too, were not a big priority in "The Protocol," as many question why they weren't part of the evacuation plan, unless they happened to be checking their email at the time.

Q Scott, on the protocol issue, is there going to be a review of the fact that, one, the intercom system, this elaborate intercom system and the emergency response that the White House was supposed to give after 9/11 did not go off; the fact that some people over in the Old Executive Office Building got emails to tell them to evacuate -- who sits at an email constantly -- at the Internet constantly to see that you have to evacuate because of an emergency situation?

MR. McCLELLAN: Let me stop you right there and correct you, because it's not just an email. I mean, it's notifying you through sound, as well as flashing.

Q Oh, really? When you open an email up, correct?

MR. McCLELLAN: No.

Q Okay, well --

MR. McCLELLAN: It will automatically be notified --

Q How many people sit -- how many people sit in front of their computers solely all day to see an email come up to say, evacuate or to leave?

MR. McCLELLAN: Let me correct you again. There were personnel at the White House, security personnel, the Secret Service Uniformed Division, the Secret Service personnel that is part of the President's detail here at the White House that were acting to notify people and to make sure people were going to the appropriate locations or staying where they were if at some point it was more appropriate and safer for them to remain where they were.

So there was a great effort, I think, by those who work here at the White House and protect us all, every day, to make sure that they were following protocols, as well, and that they were looking out for the interests of all those who work every day --

Q The Old Executive Office Building got emails. What did the people here in the press area, get nothing --

MR. McCLELLAN: I'll be glad to -- I'll be glad to come to your question, April, but I'd like to finish talking for a minute.

Q Okay, go ahead.

MR. McCLELLAN: Again, they work day-in and day-out with one priority in mind, and that's the safety and security of the people here in this building. And as I said, anytime there's a situation like this, you're going to review it, you're going to look at what occurred, you're going to look at all issues. And if there are improvements that need to be made, they will be made.

But I personally saw people here at the White House, security personnel, working to evacuate people or move people to more secure locations, or tell people to stay where they were, if that was the more appropriate action to take and safer action to take.

I appreciate your concerns. This was one of the first things I asked yesterday, and I'm sure that all these issues will be looked into.

Q I have one more question. When we walked out of this door yesterday, when those of us who heard that there was a situation, when we walked out of the door, we heard aircraft, jets overhead. There is a concern that that plane came closer to the White House than the White House said, more -- it came within the three-mile radius, it was closer than you --

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, I said that it came within three miles.

Q Okay, but you said three miles. How close --

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, it came within three miles.

Q How close was it?

MR. McCLELLAN: I don't have --

Q How close was it? Because someone has taken a picture of a plane being escorted on K street. How close was the plane?

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, I mean, if the Department of Homeland Security or FFA has any additional information, I'm sure --

Q Scott, how close was it?

MR. McCLELLAN: April, it was within --

Q You know how close it was. Please tell us.

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, within three miles. I don't know beyond that. Go ahead.

Q Could you be a little more specific --

MR. McCLELLAN: And I appreciate your concerns, April. I know you work here. And that's why I was asking questions about how things occurred here --

Q Not just us, but -- that door was shut, that door was closed, and we called back to find out who -- the people -- to tell people in the press office, the people who were left downstairs, that door was shut and locked.

and this...

Q Doesn't the President want to be involved in what could be a decision to shoot down a plane over Washington?

MR. McCLELLAN: To answer your question, I was just getting ready to address exactly what you're bringing up. The protocols that were put in place after September 11th include protocols for that, as well. And there are protocols there. They're classified. But they do not require presidential authority. But you have to look at each individual situation and circumstance. But it was important that we put such protocols in place after September 11th. That was one of the many measures we have taken to better protect the American people.

Q They don't require presidential authority, but they don't obviate the need for presidential authority, do they? They don't say the President cannot be involved --

MR. McCLELLAN: Like I said, that depends on --

Q -- wouldn't he want to be involved --

MR. McCLELLAN: It depends on the circumstances and it depends on the situation.

Q And wasn't there a possibility that a plane headed for the White House, that this was the leading edge of some broader attack, isn't the President concerned that maybe he should have been alerted to the fact that this could have been the beginning of a general attack?

MR. McCLELLAN: That was not the case, and I think the Department of Defense yesterday indicated that they didn't sense any hostile intent on the part of the plane, so again --

Q How did they know -- how did they know this plane wasn't laden with WMD or some other type of weapons like that? Did they get reassurances from the pilot? Or how did they know that?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, again, if you want to give me a chance to respond, I'll be glad to. The protocols were followed. This situation, as you're well aware, turned out to be an accident. The Department of Defense pointed out yesterday that they didn't sense any hostile intent on the part of the plane. There were fighter jets scrambled. There was a Blackhawk helicopter scrambled, as well, to get in contact with the plane. Once the flare was fired and the warning was sent to the plane, the plane realized -- the pilot realized that they were in the wrong place and turned away. And the plane was escorted safely to the ground where the pilots were questioned. And it was determined that they were just in the wrong place and it shouldn't have been that way.

Q So if it was assessed that there was no hostile intent on the part of this aircraft, can you tell us why 30,000 people -- 35,000 people were told to run for their lives?

MR. McCLELLAN: Because of the protocols that are in place, John. We want to make sure that the people in the area of the threat are protected. After --

Q But what was the threat? You just said there was no threat.

Transcript here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050512-2.html

Update [2005-5-13 20:24:41 by jaysea]: Just a comment on my title. While "My Pet Goat" seems more familiar, I believe the actual title of the book is "The Pet Goat" from Reading Mastery - Level 2 Storybook 1 by Siegfried Engelmann, Elaine C. Bruner

Click here for a website that has text and a few pictures:

"The Pet Goat"

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  •  too bad (4.00 / 5)

    The reporters didn't ask questions this hard 4 years ago....
  •  And then they came for me... (4.00 / 11)

    They just came for you, press corps, and there was no one to help.  

    But you know what, despite your abdication of your duty to the public, some of us will still protest on your behalf.  Now GET TO WORK!

    •  I want to know (4.00 / 6)

      more than just the correspondents' first names.  I would like to know which news source (paper/internet/TV/radio, etc) they work for.  The ones who asked questions, I mean.  

      I want to write to April and John and tell them it's about damn time we started seeing some questions like that being addressed to Scotty-boy.

      Man, is he the master of evasive maneuvers or what?  Let's put HIM in a flight suit and get him in an F-16.

      Hate isn't a value.

      by deep6 on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:16:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  yes, who are April & John? n/t (none / 1)

        •  Me too. Let's give the few who dare to speak (4.00 / 2)

          some positive reinforcement.

          Because clearly, our disgust with them hasn't changed their behavior any.

          Wow.  What lilly livered bastards.  Only until THEIR OWN LIVES ARE IN DANGER do they actually ASK a question and DARE to get Scott McClellan "flustered."

          WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?  Is it mass hynosis?  Is it bribery of them, or more likely, of their bosses?  Is it there mortal fear of being unemployed (because in this new America of haves and have-nots, being unemployed means slipping through the cracks, possibly never to crawl back up?)

          Okay, it's Friday the thirteenth and I'm in a foul mood.   But you know what?  I'm glad they were scared.  I'm glad it came close to THEM.  They're supposed to speak for US.  If it took a little cold water in the face, then more power to the cold water.  

          "There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." - Gandhi

          by hopesprings on Fri May 13, 2005 at 02:20:38 PM PDT

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      •  Check WaPo (none / 1)

        on Dan Froomkin column, White House Briefing, Web site is a list of White House Press Corps and the news outlets they work for.

        Against silence, which is slavery. -- Czeslaw Milosz

        by Caneel on Fri May 13, 2005 at 03:17:46 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  List of White House Correspondents (none / 1)

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/administration/whbriefing/correspondents.html

        One "April"

        American Urban Radio Networks
        April Ryan

        Four with name of "John"

        CBS
        John Roberts

        CNN
        John King

        TIME
        John F. Dickerson

        Wall Street Journal
        John D. McKinnon

        Well-behaved women seldom make history - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

        jc's designs

        by jaysea on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:39:38 PM PDT

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  •  Oh my GOD (4.00 / 7)

    I haven't laughed that hard in a long time...FOR REAL.  LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

    At least we found out what finally will motivate them to do their jobs - self interest.

    This transcript coupled with John Stewart's call to "run you bastards run!!!" a few nights ago on the Daily Show make this the biggest farce so far this year.

    And that's saying something folks.

  •  Now that the Media has found out (3.95 / 20)

    that they are also expendable, SUDDENLY they're interested in asking questions...

    I guess Dubya will have to work overtime to come up with some new chummy nicknames for them

    Well-behaved women seldom make history - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

    jc's designs

    by jaysea on Fri May 13, 2005 at 10:48:51 AM PDT

  •  Maybe this is (4.00 / 17)

    my patriarchal side coming out but even IF they honestly did not need Presidential approval for the provisions (which I question) did they really feel he would not want to be on the phone with his WIFE during this threat to her life?

    I have not heard it mentioned by anyone else but by God if I was in that situation and my wife was in danger of that magnitude and they just felt it was best not to tell me, believe me a lot of people would be getting chewed out.

    Yes first and foremost he is the president and needs to fufull those duties, but to assume that he would not want to speak to his wife either

    A) says something bad about his staff

    B) says something horrible about him

    •  I mean are these (4.00 / 3)

      the "family values" the Republicans stand for.
    •  Maybe Laura's comedy routine (4.00 / 5)

      wasn't all joking
    •  Not only should he be told his wife's in danger (4.00 / 7)

      But just imagine if either:

      the plane was flown by a terrorist and it blew up the White House - would the Secret Service then have interrupted his bike ride to say, "Oh by the way, Mr. President, the White House was just blown up."

      or the plane was shot down, say over my neighborhood in Northern Virginia - would the Secret Service have interrupted his ride to say, "Mr. President, we just shot down a small plane and it fell on some houses in Virginia, but your wife and dogs are OK."

      The Washington Post had an article today about how the D.C. police and mayor didn't even know about the plane until the all-clear was sounded. There was a DC police sergeant at the command center, but he wasn't told about the plane because he didn't have high-security clearance. Great "protocol", guys.

      Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.

      by thebes on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:09:38 PM PDT

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    •  It's all b/c of gay marriage (4.00 / 3)

      They've de-valued marriage so much so that husbands don't even call their wives to ensure they're safe.

      /snark.

      And the chattering class thought Laura was joking. That's why he didn't call.

      "Sir, we've already lost the dock." A Zion Lieutenant to Commander Lock, The Matrix Revolutions

      by AuntiePeachy on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:13:29 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The Boston Globe has some choice comments (4.00 / 14)

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/05/13/spinning_his_wheels/
    All this and the president of the United States, the commander in chief of the military, the war president, as he likes to be called, was never notified. And why not, one might logically ask. Here's why: because he was riding bikes with a high school friend at a wildlife center in suburban Maryland.

    Yesterday, the administration that has never actually admitted a mistake typically refused to admit a mistake.

    This, in a nutshell, sums up what's gone wrong in the once promising administration of George W. Bush. His staff apparently didn't feel he needed to know that Washington, D.C., was placed on a high alert. Dick Cheney knew. Don Rumsfeld knew. They didn't see the point to interrupting his bike ride for national security concerns and the life-and-death decisions that were being made in the sky above Washington. You have to wonder if this notoriously incurious president looked up, heard the fighter planes flying overhead, and wondered, even for a flicker of a second, what might have been taking place.

    And by yesterday, the White House admitted no fault. They weren't wrong in Iraq, even though weapons of mass destruction were never found. They're not wrong here.

    It all begs the troublesome question that will dog his next three years in office: What else doesn't the president need to know?</div?
    •  Our security is on auto-pilot (4.00 / 4)

      Well-behaved women seldom make history - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

      jc's designs

      by jaysea on Fri May 13, 2005 at 11:04:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Who was the "high school friend"? (4.00 / 6)

      If the Chimp is simply riding his bike around a park, why wasn't there a secret service man riding right next to him with an earpiece in?

      When I'm riding my bike, I often am able to hold complete conversations with my fellow riders.  I do not consider a "bike ride in the park" and event in my life which should not be interupted.

      At times I engage in other adult activities and during those times I prefer not to be interrupted.

      My tin foil hat tells me he was not in the park riding his bike when he first learn D.C. was under attack, but was able to make his way there shortly thereafter.

      "If we outlaw everything some people find offensive, there wouldn't even be a Texas in the first place." - Cindy Campos, Lifeguard

      by jandrewmorrison on Fri May 13, 2005 at 11:31:49 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  with his history of 'bike' accidents (4.00 / 5)

        maybe they thought talking to him while riding a bike was a threat to his life.

        "...what Washington means by bipartisanship is mainly that everyone should come together to give conservatives what they want." --- Paul Krugman

        by puppet10 on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:14:48 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Don't y'all get it? (4.00 / 4)

        Bush was bike riding with a "high school friend."

        It's just like when Mississippi Governor Kirk Fordyce had an auto accident on the way back to Jackson from his rendevouz in Memphis (sans bodyguards).

        And who do you think he had lunch with at the Three Oaks Grill? Hmmmmmm?

        That's right - "a high school friend".

        •  You make an excellent point. (4.00 / 2)

          So. Just where was Condi?  

          Maybe THAT explains why he didn't call his wife.

          "Sir, we've already lost the dock." A Zion Lieutenant to Commander Lock, The Matrix Revolutions

          by AuntiePeachy on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:27:39 PM PDT

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          •  Condi stayed at her desk, working (4.00 / 2)

            that's what one of the articles reported.

            Either she didn't know, didn't care, knew it was just a drill, or was hoping to die.

            Take your pick.

            •  Oh, now I'm really convinced! (4.00 / 5)

              How in hell would she stay at her desk? I mean, her secretary wouldn't stick her head in the door and say "Run!" for crying out loud? Come on! That cannot be true.

              Yeah, I know how that little deal goes. He'd been out of town and she had been missing her "husband" so badly that they had to have a little quickie!

              And before they went back to town, Condi's all like, "Oh my God, baby! What if they ask where I was?!" and Boy Genius says, "Just say you stayed at your desk working!"

              •  That's the funniest thing I've read all day. n/t (none / 1)

              •  Brilliant! (none / 0)

                And if I may say, one of the funniest things I've read on this blog in awhile.  

                Scary though...were you in the room?  Sounds just like something that could have happened.

                Outta here, I don't deal well with sites that condone racism.

                by fabooj on Fri May 13, 2005 at 02:38:23 PM PDT

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                •  Yes. I WAS in the room. (none / 0)

                  First he says, "Honey, that trip was so goddamned boring. I was just thinking about YOU the whole goddamned time. I was! I'd be watching some fucking parade and some Russian sumbitch is blabbering  about something and I'd go "Wha...?" I wouldn't even be listening - all I was thinking about was my SWEET brown sugar!"

                  Condi: "So you really missed me, baby? Cause I suuure missed you. <grabs his crotch> Ohhhh...My My My. You DID miss me didn't you? Can Little Georgie Worgie come out to play now?

                  <violent retching> Sorry. Can't. Continue.

                  The horror.

                  The horror.

        •  Does JimJeff... (none / 1)

          ...Guckertannon have a bike???

          "I've waited all my life for a Republican Barack Obama. Now he shows up and he's a Democrat." - Frank Luntz

          by The Termite on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:45:49 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Are there any photos of Bush riding (4.00 / 5)

          the bicycle that day?  Was there press in attendance?  Any other confirmation of the official story?

          The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

          by lysias on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:50:36 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Semantics (none / 0)

        Bush went to a prep school, not a high school. Much has been made of his "education" there. The use of the term "high school friend" in this instance is jarringly inconsistent and reeks of things that bring to mind dishonesty and cover-up.

        The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

        by Mnemosyne on Fri May 13, 2005 at 09:24:52 PM PDT

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    •  Stop calling him president (none / 1)

      Cheerleader-in-chief, maybe, but not commander.

      An actual president, occupying the actual role of commander in chief, would have to be aware of things like this. Not at his desk, maybe, but at least on call. At least on weekdays? During working hours?

      Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

      by chimpy on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:34:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The REAL President, (4.00 / 12)

    Dick Cheney, was taken to a secure location

    Well-behaved women seldom make history - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

    jc's designs

    by jaysea on Fri May 13, 2005 at 11:03:34 AM PDT

  •  Blows my mind (4.00 / 5)

    "Q The fact that the President wasn't in danger is one aspect of this. But he's also the Commander-in-Chief. There was a military operation underway. Other people were in contact with the White House. Shouldn't the Commander-in-Chief have been notified of what was going on?"

    Dog Floss Uhmerika ... I finally GET IT!

    see Bush doesn't think about politics - just like his supporters. Apoliticals. Nice happy family of kool aid drinkers.

    "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." ~Jimi Hendrix

    by Damnit Janet on Fri May 13, 2005 at 11:06:28 AM PDT

    •  I seem to recall (4.00 / 4)

      Bush was also more concerned for his own safety after 9/11, too.

      Unless he's personally in danger, the hell with anyone else

    •  Why should he think about politics? (none / 1)

      He has Karl Rove to do that for him.  In fact, he really doesn't need to think at all.  He has other people to do that for him (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton, etc.)

      The most outrageous lies that can be invented will find believers if a man only tells them with all his might. - Mark Twain

      by mkfarkus on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:45:51 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly (4.00 / 2)

        Thinking is hurrrd werrrrk. :)

        The duality of it all. Clinton went jogging and got blasted for it. This creepazoid is always "out of the loop".

        Oops a PDB announcing attacks.. Vacation
        Oops an attack.. reading a primary book - can't stop in the middle... gotta see what happens at the end of the book. (anyone who reads books to kids have already pre-read the damn book to begin with)
        Oops a possible threat above, evacs... he's out on his bike.

        The Press drank the kool aid, too.  

        "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." ~Jimi Hendrix

        by Damnit Janet on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:49:40 PM PDT

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  •  Recommended! (none / 0)

    This makes them look like total idiots!  Good job!
  •  After getting some practice here, maybe the media (none / 1)

    will remember how to ask real questions again
  •  Definitely another Pet Goat moment. (none / 1)

     My Pet Goat All Over Again

    He wasn't even told until 40 minutes after the all clear was given.  The idiocy of this administration.

    "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

    by Newsie8200 on Fri May 13, 2005 at 11:30:13 AM PDT

  •  Well, at least the jets were scrambled in time (4.00 / 7)

  •  Not to whore but, something interesting (4.00 / 11)

    I just finished this Diary where using my local knowldge of where the president was biking, I've come to a very startling conclusion:  The president was Deliberately kept out of the loop.

    He was biking less than 5 minutes away (by bike even) from the Building which houses NSA's headquarters and the Nerve center of the US's entire secure communications network.  He oculd have easily been safely moved there and taken command of the situation and been in touch with EVERYBODY.  instead they waited until after the crisis was over even to tell him about it.

    Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

    by Magorn on Fri May 13, 2005 at 11:32:38 AM PDT

  •  well (4.00 / 13)

    at least he was reading an adult book this time:

    While we're on the topic of Bush's leisure time, anyone intent on criticizing the president for taking an hour and a half out of his day to mountain-bike should take the following as proof that he is indeed a busy man: In a photo taken just after the ride, Bush is holding what appears to be a copy of "I Am Charlotte Simmons," the Tom Wolfe novel about debauchery on a college campus. In early February, Bush told reporters he was reading that same book -- which, if he is almost done, averages to about seven pages a day.

    Slow reader, huh. Never would have guessed.


    •  He was pictured HOLDING the book. (none / 1)

      Big difference. :<)

      I'm sure he'll wait for the audio-book version so he can pretend he actually knows something about the book.

      "Sir, we've already lost the dock." A Zion Lieutenant to Commander Lock, The Matrix Revolutions

      by AuntiePeachy on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:19:28 PM PDT

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    •  His curiosity about teen sex books (none / 1)

      has now officially passed the point of anthropological interest. Maybe he's finished the book but certain passages hold up to repeated perusal.

      If the day ever comes when we need semen samples from this President, look no further than between the pages of "I Am Charlotte Simmins."

      •  Maybe it's the only book he owns; (none / 1)

        and he carries it around to look intelligent.

        The most outrageous lies that can be invented will find believers if a man only tells them with all his might. - Mark Twain

        by mkfarkus on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:48:03 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  That is altogether (none / 1)

        too much information!

        I really don't wanna know what W. gets up to when he's "got wood."

        Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera

        by Dale on Fri May 13, 2005 at 02:20:13 PM PDT

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    •  I carry books most of the time. (4.00 / 4)

      But I don't carry a book when I'm jogging.  How many people carry books when they're biking?

      The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

      by lysias on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:52:41 PM PDT

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    •  Why the hell does he have a book? (4.00 / 4)

      Why does he have time to read it? I mean, during the middle of the day? Has anyone informed that we invaded Iraq and there is a war going on? Oh wait, Mission Accomplished. I forgot. Stupid me.

      I thought maybe while he was riding in that vehicle, he might have to read some intelligence reports, or maybe some policy statements. What the hell was I thinking?!! He has people to tell him what's important. Obviously a possible terrorist attack isn't on that list.

      The sleep of reason produces monsters.

      by Alumbrados on Fri May 13, 2005 at 01:28:15 PM PDT

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    •  Wel it IS an award winning book afterall (none / 0)

      The best bad sex writing award in 2004.  here's the winning passage.  Oh yeah check out the Bulwer Lytton bad fiction contest website - it's too funny.

      Tuesday December 14, 2004

      The winning passage
      I am Charlotte Simmons by Tom Wolfe (Jonathan Cape)

      Hoyt began moving his lips as if he were trying to suck the ice cream off the top of a cone without using his teeth. She tried to make her lips move in sync with his. The next thing she knew, Hoyt had put his hand sort of under her thigh and hoisted her leg up over his thigh. What was she to do? Was this the point she should say, "Stop!"? No, she shouldn't put it that way. It would be much cooler to say, "No, Hoyt," in an even voice, the way you would talk to a dog that insists on begging at the table.

      Slither slither slither slither went the tongue, but the hand that was what she tried to concentrate on, the hand, since it has the entire terrain of her torso to explore and not just the otorhinolaryngological caverns - oh God, it was not just at the border where the flesh of the breast joins the pectoral sheath of the chest - no, the hand was cupping her entire right - Now! She must say "No, Hoyt" and talk to him like a dog. . .

      . . . the fingers went under the elastic of the panties moan moan moan moan moan went Hoyt as he slithered slithered slithered slithered and caress caress caress caress went the fingers until they must be only eighths of inches from the border of her public hair - what's that! - Her panties were so wet down. . . there - the fingers had definitely reached the outer stand of the field of pubic hair and would soon plunge into the wet mess that was waiting right. . . there-there-
      (p368-9)

      When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade.... Seriously make some lemonade - it'll clear that shit up right away.

      by Edanger6 on Fri May 13, 2005 at 02:56:35 PM PDT

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    •  He likes the big "W" on the front (none / 0)

      Well-behaved women seldom make history - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

      jc's designs

      by jaysea on Fri May 13, 2005 at 03:38:55 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks but no thanks (4.00 / 9)

    You know, I hate to say it, but I would really feel safer if they did keep him out of the loop.  We'd probably be invading Syria right now if he'd gotten involved.

    Welcome to Bizarro World.

    by starkness on Fri May 13, 2005 at 11:42:14 AM PDT

    •  I agree, sort of (none / 1)

      I don't think that in the case of an actual emergency, things would turn out any better if GWB were informed.  Nonetheless, the symbolic implication of this is that he's not really the one who's in charge.  That said, the people who are in charge aren't necessarily any more competent or clearheaded than the President.
  •  Pet Goat on a bike. (none / 1)

    Cuz ya know he doesn't have too much luck on Segways.

    Anyway--this is the funniest damn transcript I've ever read.

    "Sir, we've already lost the dock." A Zion Lieutenant to Commander Lock, The Matrix Revolutions

    by AuntiePeachy on Fri May 13, 2005 at 11:46:17 AM PDT

  •  Of course maybe he DID know (4.00 / 2)

    that it wasn't an attack but an orchestrated media diversion from British minutes, Bolton's sexcapades, etc...

    Ok, ok, I'll take my tin hat off now, jeez...

    It looks just like a Telefunken U47...you'll love it! - with leather...?

    by Jeffersonian Democrat on Fri May 13, 2005 at 11:52:10 AM PDT

  •  He had a busy day (4.00 / 3)

    See, he's a war president, and makes decisions with war on his mind. He was saving up thinking about the issues for later in the day.  See, Karen Hughes was coming over later, to work on some initiatives. He was going to be making some decisions that they'd be announcing as time goes by. He also had to prepare to do some research on his own, on the Internets. See, it's hard work.

    He has oil. He tried to kill my daddy.

    by kensa on Fri May 13, 2005 at 11:55:26 AM PDT

  •  Imagining the bike ride, I can't help but picture (4.00 / 8)

    my son's Spider-Man tricycle, with red and blue tassels streaming out the handlebars and a big rubber duckie horn.

    Liberal parenting funnies at The Hausfrau Blog

    by jamfan on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:00:08 PM PDT

  •  Being that Bush is god... (4.00 / 2)

    ...wouldn't he know this stuff already?    

    Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin -SLB-

    by boran2 on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:04:25 PM PDT

  •  Does anyone know where Condi was.... (4.00 / 2)

    when W was "riding his bike"?

    Better to be a heathen liberal than a thievin' conservative. - me -8.13/-7.69

    by slackkey314 on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:23:47 PM PDT

  •  How nice... (4.00 / 5)

    to be able to take a bike ride in the middle of the day, in the middle of the work week.

    W hasn't put in a day in his life. Born on third thinks he hit a triple.

  •  Oh for pete's sake... (none / 1)

    The WHITE HOUSE was threatened.

    Laura Bush was there, I believe, and whisked to safety.

    AND SHRUB WASN'T INFORMED IN REAL TIME ABOUT AN IMMINENT DANGER TO HIS FAMILY?

    WTF?

    Protocols were followed?

    We need not think alike to love alike -- Ferenc Dávid

    by ogre on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:28:06 PM PDT

  •  Wow (4.00 / 2)

    Read the transcript excerpts and to me, at least, it  is a pleasure to see reporters actually doing their job. Good questions and follow ups for once.

    Their wake-up call was when they found out how low on the totem pole their safety is to this WH.

  •  The cynic in me says (4.00 / 2)

    the only reason the press is asking these questions is because they were afraid for their own butts.
  •  Hmm... (none / 1)


    If you try to think about it from a Red perspective: I think everyone who voted Bush knows that Cheney is in charge when it comes to Defense. Bush is a figure-head and I think Reds are comfortable with that... they even probly know it at some level.

    So, while it is obvious that Bush is not qualified to be President, I think most people know it and are OK with it as long as Cheney is there to back him up.

    M.N.

    •  Hmmmm (none / 1)

      like they would have been as comfortable if Quayle was wielding that same power instead of the President(?) :)

      So then the person who is in power is notably not in power and those that put him in power know that he's not in power and ... Oops, I just went cross-eyed.

      "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." ~Jimi Hendrix

      by Damnit Janet on Fri May 13, 2005 at 12:56:14 PM PDT

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      •  Hmmm... (none / 0)

        I just think most people think of "Bush" as a group of people and realize that he acts more like a beacon for the agenda they desire. He draws people to him that share the agenda but he doles out a lot more responsibility than Clinton for example. Clinton was a micro-manager. Bush lacks the insight and understanding to do this, so he relies heavily on Cheney to actually keep things running.

        Quite frankly, if they were liberals, I think this way of working probly makes some sense. Clintons aren't a dime-a-dozen. But then again, maybe it's good to set the bar that high... to try to get better qualified Presidents.

    •  I think that you are a little off here (none / 1)

      It is those of us in the Blue states that understand that Mr. Cheney is the man in charge of everything, including defense.

      Those sorry folks in the Red states are happy in their ignorance, thinking that someone with the same mental accumen as them is at the helm (am I being elitist here?). They also believe that abstinence only sex-ed leads to fewer unwanted pregnancies, that eliminating taxes on the rich will result in more benefits for them, environmental laws written by corporate lobbyists will result in a cleaner environment, etc.

      As I have said before, this is the mythos that we need to break, but I doubt we can reach those that can name all the contestants on American Idol than they can members of the Cabinet.

  •  U.S. no longer needs a president (none / 0)

    Clearly, as long as protocols exist, the U.S. no longer needs a commander in chief. Also, I'm glad that "the White House" knows what the protocols are and when the so-called commander in chief needs to be notified of potential attacks. Who is "the White House" anyway?

    It takes a village to raise a special child.

    by roses on Fri May 13, 2005 at 01:03:55 PM PDT

    •  President shouldn't be Commander in Chief (none / 0)

      The "White House" is Cheney. He is the commander in chief when it comes to critical decision-making. At least they have the common sense not to put Bush in charge of such things, right!?! Of course Cheney's agenda is rubbish, but he does have the experience and the intellect necessary to make split second decisions. Bush's brain is of course "half-baked" and not really of much use.

      In the end, I wonder if these days it makes sense for someone elected on political criteria to be making split-second decisions about National Security. I don't know who that person should be... but probly not the President.

      •  our democracy is broken (none / 0)

        ...or so it seems. I agree with you--few presidents have seemed capable of acting as commander in chief. Of course, Bush beats them all in inadequacy.

        Actually, I'm sorry to say that I know the WH is Cheney. I was speaking in shorthand, intended as a comment on the lameness of Scotty's so-called answers to reporters' questions. Scotty clearly separates "the White House" from "the president" and makes it clear that "the White House" decides what "the president" needs to know. (And of course then he keeps reminding us that we have "the protocols" and they were followed, so that makes everything OK.)

        It's surreal to me that when Scotty says things like this, so few seem to understand their ramifications. I hope the press is PO'd enough now to start calling Scotty, "the White House," et al. on their BS. But I won't hold my breath!

        It takes a village to raise a special child.

        by roses on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:07:58 PM PDT

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  •  Their Ass Was on the line (none / 1)

    So, NOW they ask hard questions? This makes me even sicker...They personally were in danger so, now they're mad...yet when we were going to war...whatEVER. YOU GUYS SUCK.
  •  I have this strange image.... (4.00 / 3)

    ...of George the Lesser riding a chromed-out red and white Western Flyer with streamers and sidebags, a la Pee Wee Herman in Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Complete with a Danny Elfman score. Too good.  
  •  Plane Scare Was Booga Booga (4.00 / 2)

    When the 9-11 attacks took place, the President, and his security detail, behaved until sometime after 9:30 A.M. exactly as they would have if the attacks had been an "inside job," and certainly they acted like they knew goddam well that the "terrists" while interested in slaughtering thousands of people up in "Jew York," the preznit certainly was not in a drop of danger.

    By far the likeliest explanation why the Preznit and his security detail behaved on 9-11 as though the attacks were an "inside job" is that THEY WERE an inside job.

    The little diversion the other day, probably, was the same thing.  Word that Tony Blair and W had decided on war in 2002, and subsequent diplomacy and public statements were all window dressing (that's polite for "bad-faith bullshit") has been Page One abroad.  But here in Merka, we got the Runaway Bride and the boogeyman, Michael Jackson.

    So it seems to me likely that the scare the other day was Rovian "Booga Booga," a stunt designed to remind Merkans that they are threatened by terrists, and so should give the Repugs all their money, their children, and ignore the gutting of Social Security, the Constitution etc. and prepare to tamely accept carrying ID cards, with RFID strips, 24/7 GPS tracking capabilities, and God-knows-what data that any cop can call up on a computer after issuing what, in the old Nazi war movies, was a dreaded command "Papers, Bitte!"

    Tom Ridge essentially admitted within the past few days that the color-coded Terralerts were Booga-Booga.  W down in the polls?  Issue a Terralert Upgrade to Code Fuschia!  Thattaboy, W's up five points!  Keep 'em spooked, and Republicans Rule Forever!

    "A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

    by proudtinfoilhat on Fri May 13, 2005 at 01:57:27 PM PDT

    •  disagree (none / 1)

      I think Occam's Razor explains 9/11 and the other day pretty well: the reason that things looked like they were crazy and unplanned is because they WERE crazy and unplanned. Our defenses were screwed up on 9/11 because we hadn't planned for anything like that happening.

      I really do compare the conspiracy theories around 9/11 to those around the Warren report. My view is that the Warren Report wanted to tie up everything into a neat and tidy little package, so it cut corners and tried to make evidence fit something that it didn't necessarily fit. The end result is right--Oswald shot JFK--but because they futzed with the evidence, they make people doubt the conclusion.

      As much as I cannot stand Bush et al, I do firmly believe that 9/11 was an Al Qaeda plot. But the problem is that the White House's pathological refusal to ever admit a mistake leads them to make statements that appear that they are covering things up. If they were truthful, they'd just say, "Look, we got caught on 9/11 with our pants down, the President was freaked out, and we flew around the country before we knew what the hell to do." But that makes them look "unresolute," so they just put up this image that they knew exactly what was happening all the time.

      The problem is that the other day showed that the exact same thing was going on. They didn't have an effective procedure in place (other than shouting "Run! Run! Run!"), and the President was out of the loop. They've had four years to work on this, and it is inexcusable.

      Let's not get sidetracked by conspiracies, and let's focus on the real problem here: they've spent billions of dollars, eroded numerous liberties, wasted 1,600+ lives, and they STILL aren't able to keep their shit together. Totally inexcusable.

      "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it."--PJ O'Rourke

      by David J on Fri May 13, 2005 at 02:17:23 PM PDT

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      •  He was complicit (none / 0)

        I think Bush knew that the September 11th attacks were going to happen.  They just turned out to be bigger than he ever imagined.

        Gotta make it somehow on the dreams we still believe. - R. Hunter.

        by mungley on Fri May 13, 2005 at 02:54:26 PM PDT

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      •  oh puhleeeeze! (none / 0)

        "The end result is right--Oswald shot JFK--but because they futzed with the evidence, they make people doubt the conclusion."

        Oh, puhleeeze!
         Oswald, just as he said, was a patsy.  The fact that you bought the line from Time magazine quoted above is very scary indeed.  There is no way in hell that Oswald was a "lone gunman" and shot JFK.  Get real!!!! Oh man, this really upsets me.  How can you possibly believe that Oswald alone shot JFK.  It is incomprehensible for a member of the reality based community.  Excuse me, but you have totally freaked me out. I'll go now.

        I haven't heard this kind of crap in years!  

      •  Have You Read David Ray Griffin? (none / 0)

        Respectfully, if you have not read David Ray Griffin's books, "The New Pearl Harbor," and "The 9-11 copmmission Report:  Omissions and Distortions" you are talking through your hat.

        If one "firmly believes" Osama and 19 boxcutter-wielding Arabs did 9-11 without the connivance and acquiescence of the US military and US government at the highest levels, you cannot have read much about it, or your horror of the implications (which they fully deserve) will not allow you to "go there," or your discernment is . . . well, let's say very, very different from mine.  (Er, despite my moniker, I'm a sober middle-aged guy with a top 2% IQ and a pretty good grasp of reality.)

        They got you where they want you.  Perhaps it's more pleasant than facing up to things.

        "A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

        by proudtinfoilhat on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:49:35 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, and about "getting sidetracked" (none / 0)

        ". . . by conspiracies."

        9-11 was irrefutably the work of a "conspiracy."  It's just that there are two competing theories about which set of conspirators did it.

        Was it Osama and his 19 Ay-rabs, or was it the people who benefited the most from the attacks?  Who had the motive, means and the opportunity to carry it out?  Those at whom the great bulk of the credible evidence points?  Who have thus far thwarted any independent investigation?  (If you think Zelikow and Kean, a hardcore neocon and Bush's cousin and fellow oil industry investor, are "independent" or that their commission carried out a bona fide "investigation," there's no hope for you.)  Who wrote, longingly in 2000 that a "new Pear Harbor" was necessary to win public support for their program of wars of aggression and their project for world domination?

        In any crisis, there are many who do not wish to confront the truth of their situation.  I think perhaps you are such a person.

        But bringing tyhe true perps of 9-11 to justice is NOT getting sidetracked.  Indeed, it's one of about five issues I think deserve priority at the moment (global warming, fiscal crisis and Social Security, stopping wars of aggression, restoring genuine elections also make my personal short list).

        "A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

        by proudtinfoilhat on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:56:15 PM PDT

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  •  Travelgate II (none / 0)

    I don't think the White House Press Corps have been this upset since "Travelgate"
    That happened right around "Filegate" in the first Clinton Administration

    Bill (they blamed Hillary of course) Clinton decided that the White House travel office wasn't going to make travel arrangements for reporters any more. 9I guess except for when they were with Bill himself)

    Wolf Blitzer was very upset.........

    We'll call this "protocolgate"

    Gotta make it somehow on the dreams we still believe. - R. Hunter.

    by mungley on Fri May 13, 2005 at 02:58:24 PM PDT

  •  What about the President's health? (none / 0)

    Could George's health be in such a precarious state that the Puppet Masters daren't expose him to high levels of stress?

    "Laugh while you can, monkey-boy" - Emilio Lizardo

    by jeno mules on Fri May 13, 2005 at 03:04:24 PM PDT

    •  Interesting link. (none / 0)

      I was particularly interested to read that the knee injury that caused Bush to stop running (and start biking) was a torn meniscus in a knee.

      I was interested in this because I hurt a knee last year, had to stop running for a while, and found out that what I had was a torn meniscus.  However, leg-strengthening exercises were prescribed, and after three months or so I was able to resume running.  I wonder if Bush is aware of this possibility.

      The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

      by lysias on Fri May 13, 2005 at 04:21:21 PM PDT

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  •  One word explains all of the above.... (none / 0)

    puppet.

    Bush is nothing but a puppet.

    So then, who is really running this coutnry? And what does the Constitution say to do when the person elected is an impostor and not the one running things?

  •  hilarity and incompetance asides (none / 0)

    In all seriousness, if we ever are attacked again, we are so fucking screwed. Once again our government seemed to be without a leader. cheny could not have directed very much at all from a fucking motorcade, the sec of defense should not have any serious kind of unilateral authority, and the codpiece in chief was fucking awol again in the middle of the work week.

    this is AQ and OBL wet fucking dream.

  •  Given that he's in bed by nine (none / 0)

    ... it shows that "his" administration runs without him.  They don't bother to even inform him of the White House and the Capitol being evacuated, even though his Secret Service agents were informed.  He doesn't seek out information on his own, instead he just reads material presented to him that has been dumned down to his level.  He's in bed at 9 pm, because Cheney will handle everything.  It's just a big "My Pet Goat" over and over again.

    It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.

    by A Citizen on Fri May 13, 2005 at 04:10:24 PM PDT

  •  shoot down protocols--Pres. not needed? (none / 0)

    so, did they say that the president doesn't need to authorize the military to shoot down a civilian plane?

    wasn't that one of the questions that came up on Sep. 11?  I thought that--at least then--the military needed the president to authorize them to shoot down an American civilian plane--like they were contemplating for the flight that went down in Penn.  and that one of the issues that never really got picked up from Woodward's book was that Cheney had authorized the military to shoot, but that Bush had not.

    am I remembering this correctly?  or were there some sort of imminent danger protocols in place prior to 9/11?

  •  Frisky reporters and dummy presidents (none / 0)

    If you read the transcripts of the White House press briefings you will find that often the reporters do ask tough questions. If they didn't, there would be no need for Jimmy/Jeff. The issue isn't that the White House press corps doesn't know how to hold Ari/Scotty's feet to the fire, it's that their editors and publishers are scaredy-cats.

    I've recently come to understand, thanks to Janine Garafalo, that poster above is correct: $Bush$Co DID expect an attack, they just didn't imagine the magnitude. (They were most likely expecting a traditional hijacking.) Aside from the August 6 PDB, there were the FAA warnings, the fact that Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft, the increased chatter etc. It would have taken much more imagination (as opposed to Rovian evil) to anticipate the events of 9/11. They're just not that bright. (Though they are slimey enough to have used the event to further their hegemonic dreams.)

    Which brings us to the events of May 11. How pathetic, hilarious and horrific that Bush was allowed to continue his mid-day, mid-week bicycle ride, completely oblivious to what was going on at home -- both with his wife and with official Washington. The people in charge certainly don't think very highly of him, or of his marriage. Oh, the emptiness of it all is staggering

    Now we know for dead certain that we're all f*cked, big time.

    We can choose barbarity or morality and we begin this choice when dealing with barbarians.

    by Blue Patriot Woman on Fri May 13, 2005 at 04:45:55 PM PDT