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Senator Reid on the Senate Floor

Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:37:10 AM PDT

Senator Harry Reid on the Senate floor:  

... Republicans engaged in explicit filibusters on the floor against a number of Clinton judges, and defeated a number of President Clinton's executive branch nominees by filibuster.  It's the same Advice and Consent Clause - why was a Republican filibuster of Surgeon General nominee Henry Foster constitutional, but a Democratic filibuster of Fifth Circuit nominee Priscilla Owen unconstitutional?  The Republican argument doesn't add up.  

And now, the President of the United States has joined the fray and become the latest to rewrite the Constitution and reinvent reality. Speaking to fellow Republicans on Tuesday night, he said that the Senate "has a duty to promptly consider each...nominee on the Senate floor, discuss and debate their qualifications, and then give them the up or down vote they deserve."

Duty to whom?  The radical right wing of the Republican Party who see within their reach the destruction of America's mainstream values?

Full statement in extended.

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SENATOR HARRY REID'S FLOOR STATEMENT ON "ADVICE & CONSENT"

Remarks as prepared for delivery:

Mr. President, I've addressed the Senate on several recent occasions to set the record straight about Senate history and the rules of this Chamber.  I'd much rather address ways to cut health care costs or bring down gas prices.  But the Majority Leader has decided that we will spend this week debating radical judges instead.  I'm happy to engage in that debate, but I want it to be accurate.  

For example, the Majority Leader issued a statement last Friday in which he called the filibuster a "procedural gimmick."  I took some time yesterday to correct that assertion.  The filibuster is not a gimmick.  It has been part of our nation's history for two centuries.  It is one of the vital checks and balances established by our Founding Fathers.  It is not a gimmick.    

Also, Republicans have not been accurate in describing the use of the filibuster.  They say the defeat of a handful of President Bush's judicial nominees is unprecedented.  In fact, hundreds of judicial nominees in American history have been rejected by the Senate, many by filibuster.  Most notably, the nomination of Abe Fortas to be Chief Justice of the United States was successfully filibustered in 1968.  And during the Clinton Administration, over 60 judicial nominees were bottled up in the Judiciary Committee and never received floor votes.  

In addition, Republicans engaged in explicit filibusters on the floor against a number of Clinton judges, and defeated a number of President Clinton's executive branch nominees by filibuster.  It's the same Advice and Consent Clause - why was a Republican filibuster of Surgeon General nominee Henry Foster constitutional, but a Democratic filibuster of Fifth Circuit nominee Priscilla Owen unconstitutional?  The Republican argument doesn't add up.  

And now, the President of the United States has joined the fray and become the latest to rewrite the Constitution and reinvent reality. Speaking to fellow Republicans on Tuesday night, he said that the Senate "has a duty to promptly consider each...nominee on the Senate floor, discuss and debate their qualifications, and then give them the up or down vote they deserve."

Duty to whom?  The radical right wing of the Republican Party who see within their reach the destruction of America's mainstream values?

It's certainly not duty to the tenets of our Constitution or to the American people who are waiting for progress and promise, not partisanship and petty debates.  

The duties of the United States Senate are set forth in the Constitution of the United States.  Nowhere in that document does it say the Senate has a duty to give presidential nominees "an up or down vote."  It says appointments shall be made with the Advice and Consent of the Senate.  That is very different than saying that every nominee receives a vote.  

This fact was even acknowledged by the Majority Leader on this floor last week.  Senator Byrd asked the Majority leader if the Constitution accorded "to each nominee an up or down vote on the Senate floor?"

Senator Frist's answer? "No, the language is not there."

Senator Frist is correct. And the President should read the same copy of the Constitution that Senator Frist was referring to.

It is clear that the President misunderstands the meaning of the Advice and Consent Clause.  The word "Advice" means "Advice." President Clinton, consulted extensively with then-Judiciary Committee Chairman Hatch.  Senator Hatch boasts in his autobiography that he personally convinced President Clinton to nominate Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer to the Supreme Court instead of more controversial choices.  

In contrast, this President has never ever sought or heeded the advice of the Senate.  But now he demands our consent.  

That's not how America works.  The Senate is not a rubber stamp for the Executive branch. Rather, we're the one institution where the Minority has a voice and the ability to check the power of the Majority.   Today, in the face of President Bush's power grab, that's more important than ever.   Republicans want one-party rule.  The Senate is the last place where the President and his Republican colleagues can't have it all.  And, now President Bush wants to destroy our checks and balances to ensure that he does get it all.

That check on his power is the right to extended debate. Every Senator can stand up on behalf of the people who have sent them here and say their piece.  In the Senate's 200 plus years of history, this has been done hundreds and hundreds of times...to stand up to popular presidents arrogant with power...to block legislation harmful to America's workers...and yes - even to reject the President's judicial nominations.

Who are the nominees now before the Senate?  

Priscilla Owen is a Texas Supreme Court Justice nominated to the Fifth Circuit.  Justice Owen sides with big business and corporate interests against workers and consumers in case after case, regardless of the law.   Her colleagues on the conservative Texas court have written that she legislates from the bench.    Her own colleagues have called her opinions "nothing more than inflammatory rhetoric," her interpretation of the law to be "misconceptions," and even rebuked her for second guessing the legislature on vital pieces of legislation.   If she wanted to legislate, she should run for Congress.  If she wants to interpret and uphold the law, she should be a judge.  She can't do both.

In case after case, Justice Owen's record marks her as a judge willing to make law from the bench rather than follow the language and intent of the legislature or judicial precedent.  She has demonstrated this tendency most clearly in a series of dissents involving a Texas law providing for a judicial bypass of parental notification requirements for minors seeking abortions.  She sought to erect barriers that did not exist in law, such as requiring religious counseling for minors facing a tough choice.

Janice Rogers Brown, a California Supreme Court justice nominated to the D.C. Circuit, is using her seat on the bench to wage an ideological war against America's social safety net.  She wants to take America back to the 19th Century and undo the New Deal, which includes Social Security and vital protections for working Americans like the minimum wage.    Every Senator in this body should tell the more than 10 million working Americans already living in poverty on minimum wage why someone who wants to make their life harder and destroy their hopes and dreams should be elevated to a lifetime to one of the most powerful courts in the country.  

Justice Brown has been nominated to the court that oversees the actions of federal agencies responsible for worker protections, environmental laws, and civil rights and consumer protections.  She has made no secret of her disdain for government. According to Justice Brown, government destroys families, takes property, is the cause of a "debased, debauched culture," and threatens civilization.  

Moreover, Justice Brown received a "not qualified" rating from the California Judicial Commission when she was nominated for the California Supreme Court in 1996 because of her "tendency to interject her political and philosophical views into her opinions" and complaints that she was insensitive to established legal precedent.    

Speaking recently at a church on "Justice Sunday," Brown proclaimed a "war" between religious people and the rest of America.  Is this someone we want protecting the constitutional doctrine of separation of church and state, or freedom for all Americans to practice religion?

She has expanded the rights of corporations at the expense of individuals -- arguing to give corporations more leeway against attempts to prevent consumer fraud, to stop the sale of cigarettes to minors, and to prevent discrimination against women and individuals.  

Janice Rogers Brown may be the daughter of a sharecropper, but she's never looked back to ensure the legal rights of millions of Americans still fighting to build better lives for their children and children's children.

These are the nominees over which the Republican leadership is waging this fight.  And they are prepared to destroy the Senate that has existed for over 200 years to do it.

The Senate is a body of moderation. While the White House is the voice of a single man, and the House of Representatives is the voice of the Majority, the Senate is a forum of the states.  It is the saucer that cools the coffee. It is the world's greatest deliberative body.  

How will we call this the world's greatest deliberative body after the majority breaks the rules to silence the minority?  

This vision of our government - the vision of our Founding Fathers - no longer suits President Bush and the Republicans in the Senate. They don't want consensus or compromise. They don't want advice and consent.

They want absolute power.  And to get it, the President and the Majority Leader will do all they can to silence the Minority in the Senate and remove the last check on Republican power in Washington.  

The White House is trying to grab power over two separate branches of government - Congress and the Judiciary - and they're enlisting the help of the Republican Senate leadership to do it.

Republicans are demanding a power no president has ever had, and they're willing to break the rules to do it.

And make no mistake Mr. President. This is about more than breaking the rules of the Senate or the future of seven radical judges.

At the end of the day, this about the rights and freedoms of millions of Americans.

The attempt to do away with the filibuster is nothing short of clearing the trees for the confirmation of an unacceptable nominee on the Supreme Court.  If the Majority gets its way, George Bush and the far right will have the sole power to put whoever they want on the Supreme Court -- from Pat Robertson to Phylis Schlafley.   They don't want someone who represents the values of all Americans, someone who can win bipartisan consensus.  They want someone who can skate through with only a bare partisan majority, someone whose beliefs lay in the fringes of our society.

Nobody will be able to stop them from placing these people on the highest court in the land - extremist judges who won't protect our rights and who hold values far outside the mainstream of America.

Here's what's really at stake here:

The civil rights of millions of Americans.  

The voting rights of millions of Americans.  

The right to clean water to drink and safe air to breathe for millions of Americans.

The right to free speech and religious beliefs.

The right to equality, opportunity and justice.  

And, nothing less than the individual rights and liberties of all Americans.  

It is up to us in this Chamber to say no to this abuse of power. To stand up for the Constitution and let George Bush and the Republican Party know that the Supreme Court is not theirs to claim.

This debate all comes down to this: will we let George Bush turn the Senate into a rubber stamp to fill the Supreme Court with people from the extreme right's wish list?

Or will we uphold the Constitution and use of advice and consent powers to force the President to look to the mainstream?

Mr. President, I hope it's the latter. I know that is what my fellow Democrats and I will fight for, and I hope the responsible Republicans we've heard from will have the courage to join us.

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  •  I'm not sure... (4.00 / 4)

    ...Bush actually remembers the Clinton administration.  It's all starting to go fuzzy on me and I'm sober at least four (maybe three) nights a week.

    No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

    by CrazyHorse on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:35:51 AM PDT

  •  Reid for President??????? (4.00 / 3)


    You know...

    I had a thought...

    He is not terribly telegenic- i.e. not a great speaker.

    But we keep saying we want a genuine macho/western guy who, in the words of Curly from "City Clickers", craps bigger than GWBush.  Someone who would bring in a few xtra electoral votes (NV, CO, MT, AZ)...

    Maybe its Reid?

    Bush will be impeached.

    by jgkojak on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:38:39 AM PDT

    •  no..no...no... (4.00 / 5)

      he is really good where he is...I don't believe the "I love Lucy" would have been successful if Ethel had taken over for Lucy. Coming from Vegas...Reid knows every trick of the trade, he knows when to gamble and bet the house and when to fold. He has found the perfect fit and we are so lucky to have him right where he belongs.

      It's Obamazing!!!!!!!!!!!!

      by Chamonix on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:44:05 AM PDT

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    •  I was just going to post Reid for Pres. (none / 1)

      too!  He is doing a wonderful job.  I wish we had more voices like his out there speaking on our behalf.

      I "pray" that the "The Religious Wrong" will continue on this path, as they are on their way to destroying their own party.  I'm starting to feel positive about regaining our strength in `06 and beyond.

      •  Harry for MAJORITY LEADER instead! (4.00 / 13)

        Reid has the perfect platform in the senate.  I think his bold, direct, and honest statements should and will give heart to Democrats everywhere.  No once can dismiss him as playing presidential politics (the same is NOT true of Frist).  

        I don't want to dis our former senate leader.  Tom Daschle is who he is, he gave his best, but he was just too darn polite to fight it out like Harry.  Keep Harry in the senate and let's work to make him the leader of a new majority.  

        Meanwhile:  who else in the party has a voice similar to Harry's?  Anyone?  

        •  yes, keep Reid in the Senate... (none / 0)

          ...but make him the majority leader.  We need someone with his courage, passion, and intelligence.  

          The speech above is brilliant.  Bless that man.  

          JOHN McCAIN = George W. Bush's 3rd term.

          by chumley on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:11:28 AM PDT

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        •  Good idea. (none / 0)

          Or, when we take back the seats in `06... will that make him the Minority Leader?  (Either way, Reid is doing great!)

          I am a bit "ashamed" that we actually need to ask:  "who else in the party has a voice similar to Harry's?  Anyone?"   We should have not one, but many voices who are out there articulating the message.  

          Off the top of my head, Boxer (my Senator!) comes to mind, but that is about it.

        •  He's great in the Senate (none / 0)

          "Reid has the perfect platform in the senate.  I think his bold, direct, and honest statements should and will give heart to Democrats everywhere.  No once can dismiss him as playing presidential politics (the same is NOT true of Frist). "

          He truly is "give them hell, Harry" part II.  

          And there's no way that he'll win the presidency with his speaking voice and style.

          "you're bound to lose if you let the blues make you scared to feel" Joni Mitchell

          by Valatan on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:49:50 AM PDT

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        •  I suggest (none / 0)

          General Wesley "I'll beat the sh*t out of them" Clark.

          plus Boxer, Durbin, Schumer, Conyers....etc. and of course, Senator Byrd.

          In John McCain we have the opportunity to experience Bush's Third Term.

          by Sam I Am on Thu May 19, 2005 at 10:22:13 AM PDT

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    •  I'd Much Rather (4.00 / 3)

      have Reid as majority leader in the Senate.

      We are the ones we've been waiting for

      by jpgod on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:57:43 AM PDT

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      •  for sure (none / 0)

        hes more valuble where hes at for now, maybe one day when we have a better stock in the senate it would be a more realistic possability.  Just look how far the dems have come in terms of fighting back since hes been majority leader.

        That said, i would still love him as president, he is simply an amazing politician and human being.

        "Plenty of rich folks want to fight. Give them the guns." -Woody Guthrie

        by The Party Plague on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:21:15 AM PDT

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      •  Parliamenarian (none / 1)

        I vote for Majority Leader. Reid is an excellent Parliamentarian.  He knows the rules, & he can Debate the freaking socks off of most of the amateurs & poseurs in the Senate today.  His delivery is sober, expert, & considered.  He knows the rules & regs, & Frist is completely out of his depth.  Reid is the Perfect Senate Leader.

        A President needs Administrative talent, & a bit of populist charisma.  We need to look at Governors for President.  (Hopefully not another southerner, cuz, frankly, I'm getting sick of the drawl).  Maybe a Westerner, like Reid.  Who do we have with charisma in the west?  A real cowboy, not a manufactured one?

        Hmmm,  what was his name & State agin?

    •  Maybe VP (none / 0)

      I think if he helps us win on keeping the filibuster and SS from destruction, then I think he at least merits consideration. He could bring NV(which went barely Bush) and help in western states that, as had been noted, are looking receptive to Democrats. He strikes me as a good attack dog, if not telegenic(hey, Cheney isnt :)). That's what you need in a VP. And he kind of looks like Mr. Rogers. :) All that said, he is very good with Senate procedure, and I think he would be a real asset there, as, hopefully, Majority Leader.
      •  It's not about rankings (none / 0)

        it's not as if we're considering giving Reid a "promotion". VP or even President are important jobs - and leader of the Senate democrats is also a very important (arguably more important) job. If Reid is great at that, we shouldn't pressure him to take on a completely different job. That'd be foolish.

        jaiapprovedthis - Because I am right about things.
        Abolish Superdelegates by 2012

        by Jaiwithani on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:18:54 AM PDT

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        •  Supreme Court (4.00 / 2)

          If Reid ever decides to quit the Senate, & I hope he goes on there forever, I would recommend that a Democratic President puts him on the SCOTUS.  That would be such sweet revenge, & a damn fine Chief Justice for life.

          I don't fall in with him on all issues, but I gotta say,  he's a damn fine Senate Leader.

    •  My hat is off to Senator Reid, but... (4.00 / 6)

      ...he should stay right where he is, doing what he is doing.

      Senators, as we have discovered, make terrible Presidential candidates. It is all too easy to twist their voting records against them. Every Senator has to make compromises with every vote -- a vote against some pork-laden monstrosity of a bill that happens to contain an increase in, say, funding for police becomes "Senator Foo voted against keeping criminals off the streets!!!" and so on, ad nauseum.

      Furthermore, Reid is a really, really good Senate leader. He has consistently hit the Repubs where it hurts since taking over the position. If he steps down to run for office, who will take his place? I know we can come up with another good Presidential candidate; I'm not sure we can come up with a Senate leader that's Reid's equal. If we win the Presidency, but find our new Democratic President can't actually do anything because Congress is dead-set against him, it will have been a hollow victory.

      Reid is good. Hell, Reid is great. And he should keep on doing exactly what he's doing, exactly where he's doing it.

      •  I concur (4.00 / 2)

        Reid is doing an awesome job as minority leader right now, and I'd hate to see that get messed up by other ambitions. To use a military analogy, he's better as the commander "in the trenches" than he is as a general in an office somewhere.

        Even though I hope he doesn't run (nor does he show any intention of being interested), I think he'd make a tough presidential candidate for Republicans to smear.

      •  Keep Reid where he is, but as majority leader (none / 1)

        He is the wiliest fox I've seen since LBJ.

        For Pres we need to nominate a Governor.  Someone who has demonstrated executive ability.  At least as important, someone who can talk straight to the American people.  Someone who doesn't sound like a phony because he or she actually has thought about and believes what they are saying.  

        We need it all--good message, good messenger and good organization.  None is sufficient without the others.  In 2008 the R's will have a message and organization, but don't look to have a top tier messenger.  This is our chance.  I don't know who it is, but I'm willing to bet s/he isn't in the Senate, because Senators can't escape their records and most of them can't escape the trap of speaking in senatese.

        John McCain--he's not who you think he is.

        by Mimikatz on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:44:56 AM PDT

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        •  Reid for President? (none / 0)

          To all those who are now saying "Reid for President" -- they must be reminded that the Presidential election is still three and a half years away.  Even the midterm elections are a year and a half away.  It's way too premature to be making statements like this.  We Democrats -- all Democrats -- elected or unelected, weak or powerful, prominent or obscure -- must each do our part to defeat the Bush agenda -- appointing neanderthals to judgeships, especially the Supreme Court, phasing out Social Security, taxing work and not wealth, etc.  Most important, we Democrats must challenge President Bush's vision of the "ownership society" -- the idea of self-reliance, personal responsibility and individual empowerment, and explain what the ownership society really is -- primitive individualism, macho intransigence, and most important survival of the fittest.  Then we Democrats must explain our answer to the "ownership society" -- that government should embody "the idea of family, mutuality, sharing of benefits and burdens for the good of all, feeling one another's pain, sharing one another's blessings" as Mario Cuomo put it in his magnificent 1984 Democratic Keynote Address.  Each of us Democrats will have to play a role in this.  And only after that we should assess we Democrats are.
      •  I agree (none / 0)

        Governors have a better chance, historically, of winning the Presidency, especially in modern times.

        Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King Jr.

        by wishingwell on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:48:02 AM PDT

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      •  But they are competent (none / 0)

        when they attain the presidency.  Something that damn governors really can't say.  Clinton's incompetency during his first two terms is what gave us damn 1994.  You have to go back to FDR to find one that knew what the hell they were doing upon attaining the Presidency

        "you're bound to lose if you let the blues make you scared to feel" Joni Mitchell

        by Valatan on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:53:47 AM PDT

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    •  If Y'all Want to Win the Presidency... (4.00 / 2)

      a good place to start would be to STOP NOMINATING SENATORS!!!!

      Jeebus, get off your flat electoral learning curve already.

      This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

      by GreenSooner on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:09:19 AM PDT

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      •  ooohhh (4.00 / 2)

        yeah, governors make GREAT candidates.  Dukakis sure kicked bush I's ass.  

        How about stop nominating mealy-mouthed boring candidates that are easily painted as 'wimpy'?  It has nothing to do with them being former senators that they lost.

        "you're bound to lose if you let the blues make you scared to feel" Joni Mitchell

        by Valatan on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:56:20 AM PDT

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  •  I'm listening to Stabenow right now (4.00 / 4)

    She's terrific. Bringing up water rights:"What if states in the South and the West decide, someday, that they want our water?  We in the Great Lakes states will want to protect our states. If you change the rules on judges, you can change them on anything else."

    I'm proud of Reid, proud of Stabenow.  We have a democracy.  We allow the minority to be heard, to force compromise, and that is good.

    War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

    by Margot on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:38:51 AM PDT

    •  Hey... (4.00 / 3)

      ...I work for the government of Texas in planning some of this kinda crap.  It's no big secret - we actually do want your water.  That's what the free market is all about, baby!  Pass the straws!

      No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

      by CrazyHorse on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:43:39 AM PDT

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      •  lol (none / 1)

        I'm originally from New Mexico. Tell me about Texas wanting other people's water!

        War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

        by Margot on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:09:38 AM PDT

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      •  An Old Joke here in New Mexico (none / 1)

        Q:  Why is New Mexico so dry?
        A:  Because Texas Sucks.

        Its all about the water.  We're obliged to send a certain amount of water downstream to Texas.  This wouldn't be that big of a deal, but for some reason the idiots who drew up the original agreements didn't take climatic fluctuations into account and chose to use exact volumes instead of percentages.  Because of that NM benefits relative to Texas during wet years and gets it in the shorts during droughts.

        "I'm going to dance the dream, and make the dream come true." -Kate Bush (-8.75, -9.18)

        by ellisande on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:43:25 AM PDT

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      •  The next oil. (none / 0)

        Freshwater will be the most valuable natural resource in the world.  I don't like the idea of pouring it down the Mississippi River and into the ocean.  

        It is already being diverted by bottling plants in smaller quantities, and leading to in-state fighting in places like Ohio and Indiana where part of the state is in the Great Lakes Basin, but souther parts of the state is not.

        You are welcome to it in Texas and Arizona, for about $2.25 a gallon!  Michigan has to be able to benefit from the sales since we have to put up with crappy winters.

    •  That was an awesome speech... (4.00 / 2)

      It's nice to see our side swinging every once in a while.  Keep it up, Harry!!

      "There's only three things [Rudy Giuliani] mentions in a sentence: a noun and a verb and 9/11." -- Sen. Joseph Biden

      by waters96 on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:47:13 AM PDT

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    •  yeah the old water diversion meme (none / 0)

      is sure to rile up...wait a minute, it'll only rile up people in the mid-west, so she's only talking to the paranoid Michigan rethugs in her own state.  Diversion of Great Lakes water is a local myth, frequently exploited by our politicians.

      She's jabbing at old Michigan buttons.  I don't know how useful that will be.

      I like Debbie when she's not voting for bankruptcy bills.  but this is a tired example she's using.  Water diversion of the Great Lakes is prohibitive both for engineering and international reasons.  Find another way to make a point, Senator.

      McCain is not a moderate, a maverick, or a man of integrity.

      by marjo on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:01:35 AM PDT

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      •  Kind of clever, actually (none / 1)

        if, like a crab, she's actually speaking about western states - like Colorado - where religious extremists have seized territory amid people who feel stronger about our water rights than they do about almost anything else.

        You want to put Dobson out into the cold - remind right-wing Coloradans he's forcing the Senate into a trade-off: Your water for his religion...

        Time flies, whether you're having fun or not.

        by Kimberley on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:19:06 AM PDT

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      •  Water diversion from the Great lakes (none / 1)

        Not so hard, I'm about to divert 20 gallons taking a shower. We (Chicago) could empty the lakes into the Gulf of Mexico just by turning a valve. It does not make a lot of sense to claim that internation law will constrain this administration either.

        Just saying...

  •  Former Boxer Indeed! (4.00 / 5)

    I fucking LOVE Harry Reid.  But what I love more, is the MSM's sobriquet of "former boxer" they apply to him every time he totally BITCH SLAPS the hypocrisy of the neocons.

    Keep punching Harry.  You're winning rounds.  Keep up the Good Fight!

    "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." -George S. Patton

    by vmibran on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:40:04 AM PDT

  •  She's my Senator. (none / 1)

    Michigan has some stellar performers ~ thank God for Stabenow, Levin, Conyers.

    A Christian Reformed minister is planning to run against Stabenow in '06.  He has close ties to the DeVos family via Acton Institute.  Lots of money will be available to him.

    I really want Debbie re-elected.

    Al Gore for President!

    by VickiStein on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:42:15 AM PDT

    •  I'll vote for her again (none / 0)

      but her vote for the bankruptcy bill pissed me off.  I guess she had to do it for the $$$$.

      McCain is not a moderate, a maverick, or a man of integrity.

      by marjo on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:03:40 AM PDT

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    •  I'll take a pass on Levin... (none / 0)

      ...I was disappointed that he felt the need to join Norm Coleman in the attempt to smear MP George Galloway earlier this week.

      I would be impressed with Levin if he managed to shift the focus of the investigation to Bayoil, et al rather than attempt to hold kangaroo court with foreign pols to liven up C-SPAN.

      CONSUME. PROCREATE. OBEY.

      by bluewolverine on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:44:25 AM PDT

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  •  Filibuster Floor Fight (none / 1)

    I'm starting to panic.  Someone reassure me it's gonna turn out okay.  By OK I mean if we lose the filibuster, at the very least, the Ugly Republicans will pay for their overreaching abuse of power in '06.
    •  Next thing you know you'll want your version of (4.00 / 2)

      "fair and balanced news" instead of accuracy...

      Sorry to snark, and I am sympathetic to your worry(i'm freaked myself) but honestly we can't be innocents about this and realize that without a major paradigm shift we can lose.

      WE HAVE TO WORK OUR ASSES OFF TO SAVE AMERICA NOW!

      And if we don't aknowledge the possibility of defeat and formulate effective stategeries (ha!) to move forward we'll be no different than Moctezuma when Cortez showed up...

      Emancipate yourself from Mental Slavery, No one but ourselves can free our Minds.

      by TustonDAZ on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:47:36 AM PDT

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    •  They'll pay (none / 0)

      As long as we do the retaliation right.

      We have to shut down the senate.  Everything except for national security.  Shut it down and see how the big corporations will cry when they can't ramrod their tax cuts through at the same lightning speed that they're used to.

      I think Durbin was right the other day when he said that Reid should've tied up the class action and bankruptcy bills.  If we want to crack these thugs' solidarity, we have to turn their corporate sponsors against them.

      "Hillarious: Seizing Power at Any Cost"

      by raymundo on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:48:20 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I personally see this as somewhat win/win for us (none / 1)

      even though not having the filibuster is scary, longer term this may help us clean house of GOP.

      It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

      by ablington on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:49:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  You better be worried... (4.00 / 3)

      They're determined to fuck us, and there's no way that six Republicans will have the courage to do the right thing.  I wish people panicked before the election and voted these fuckers out then.

      "There's only three things [Rudy Giuliani] mentions in a sentence: a noun and a verb and 9/11." -- Sen. Joseph Biden

      by waters96 on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:49:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  They DID panic before the election (none / 0)

        That's why we're stuck with four more years of George W. Bush and Dick ("Vote for Us or Die") Cheney.

        John McCain's Straight Talk Express runs on fossil fuels.

        by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:28:20 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I'm not so sure. (4.00 / 2)

        There are at least 6 R's that are damned if they do and damned if they don't.  Frist is the one who led them into this morass, Frist is the one who put himself into hock to Dobson and the fundies to the point where he can't compromise, and they despise Frist for putting them in this position.  And Bush is the one who put Frist in there.

        Knowing they lose either way, how about voting no and undermining Frist, perhaps fatally?  It could feel good, and they can be lauded as statesmen and women for a few minutes.

        John McCain--he's not who you think he is.

        by Mimikatz on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:52:06 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  no guarantees (none / 1)

      but you have the cold comfort of knowing that reid et al put up a hell of a fight.  and that's something.
  •  Excellent.. (none / 1)

    Reid is good!  His speech takes my breath away..
  •  Umm...does Frist (4.00 / 2)

    understand that in 2008 these same people he's tricking for will throw him over the side? Is he familiar with the term useful idiot?  
    •  Frist should talk to Darryl Issa (3.33 / 3)

      He kicked in $2 million to help the thugs oust the Democratic governor of California on the assumption that the wingers would remember the favor and vote for him for governor.

      Didn't happen.  After he signed the check they kicked him in the ass and told him to jump in the congo line behind Swartznigger.  

      He actually broke down in tears at the news conference when he said he was dropping out of the governor's race.  Imagine Frist in 3 years when he finds out the corporate/religious right syndicate has no memory for past favors.

      You can go down on Satan but he will not pay you afterwards.

      "Hillarious: Seizing Power at Any Cost"

      by raymundo on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:54:09 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Who's using Whom (none / 1)

      My guess is that the Dobsonites are being used as much as they are trying to use Frist. The Malefactors of Great Wealth (what a great piece of spin by a Republican) don't care who does their heavy lifting for them as long as someone does. Success will put the Malefactor wing up against the self-righteous wing, but the Malefactors have the money and the self-righteous have the votes. Right now, they think they are using each other. With luck, they will consume each other. Clearly, there is no way that the two groups can abide each other in the long term.
  •  I'm thinking, I'm thinking ... (4.00 / 2)

    Doesn't the filibuster fit the duty to advise?

    Isn't a protracted and inconclusive search for consensus reason enough to reach for less problematic candidates, so the senate does not end up talking until the cows come home?

    •  Yes, BUT (none / 0)

      This is power politics in the big leagues.

      Rationality, reasonable interpretation, good governance, Constitutionality... all of those went out the window many miles back up the road....

      This is "F*ck you, what are you going to do about it?" turf.

  •  Radical Judges (4.00 / 3)

     1

     It's a great frame.

     2

     It's true.

    This -- and the fact that the Highjacked-by-the-Crazies GOP would rather "go nukular" to get a handful of their crazy, radical judges on the federal bench rather than trying to figure out how to "cut health care costs and get gas prices down" -- should be said everytime a Democrat opens their mouth when within 100 feet of a microphone or camera.

     BenGoshi
    __________________

    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:44:58 AM PDT

    •  Nuclear Coup (4.00 / 3)

      Speaking of frames... The term "Nuclear Option" doesn't connote the true power grab at play here. Radical Judges is a great frame. Nuclear Coup, carries as much or more of the un-democratic aspect of this ugly attempt. STOP THE NUCLEAR COUP!

      Do not give in charity that which is owed in justice.

      by 5oclockshadow on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:50:18 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Reid's speeches... (none / 1)

    on this subject may go down in history as either "saving-the-day" or the last futile cries of reason and what it should mean to be an American.
  •  Reid actually getting quoted by the SCLM (none / 1)


    That's gotta count for something.  When was the last dem, other than Dean, able to get a strong message through the media haze?

    George W. Bush makes the baby Jesus cry.

    by WSmith on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:45:45 AM PDT

  •  On changing rules... (none / 1)

    I mentioned it in the past, but maybe not so clearly and to not much feedback.

    What happens if a simple majority is allowed to change rules, then after the next election they are no longer the majority but can change the rules back to the previous rules or worse rules that give the minority party greater power before they leave office?  Like a Presidential Pardon, couldn't they get a parting shot on the farewell tour?  I think many people would agree that this is not how it is supposed to work!

    •  I don't think so (none / 1)

      The new majority would simply change the rules back.  If a majority is all that's needed, there couldn't be a "parting shot" that couldn't be undone at the next Session.

      If they change the rule by simple majority now, they are breaking the rule that says a supermajority is needed.  So, after that, I think it will be generaly understood that majority rule holds the day.  period.

      That is why some liberals/progressives have taken a longer view and are in favor of eliminating the filibuster - because majority rule has frequently meant change and the filibuster has historically been the last refuge of the conservative.  I don't agree that eliminating it would be wise, but I can see the point.

  •  "That's not how America works" (none / 1)

    That's the second time I've heard him use this phrase - it's a great one! Would make a great bumber sticker...

    I LOVE Reid!! Give'em hell, Harry!

    Yes I know Obama isn't the perfect progressive candidate. Yes, I know that sucks. Now let's get him elected.

    by Boston to Salem on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:45:56 AM PDT

  •  Blue slips (4.00 / 3)

    I'm not getting why it is that the Dems aren't making more of the fact that the Repigs "pocket filibustered" Clinton nominees with the blue slip rule, and that the Repigs did away with the rule when they became the majority....

    -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke IMPEACH THE BASTARDS!!!

    by caseynm on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:46:11 AM PDT

    •  Unfortunately its too Complex (none / 0)

      You can't get this out in a 10 second sound byte.  You have to explain what the pocket filibuster is (no frank capra movie to explain it to people), how it was used, how the rule was changed, etc.  By then people are flipping to the girls gone wild commercial a channel higher on spike TV.
  •  All or Nothing (4.00 / 2)

    Reid says

    "Republicans want one-party rule.  The Senate is the last place where the President and his Republican colleagues can't have it all.  And, now President Bush wants to destroy our checks and balances to ensure that he does get it all."

    That's the big kahuna, right there!

  •  Duty to Whom? (4.00 / 2)

    The radical right wing of the Republican Party who see within their reach the destruction of America's mainstream values

    Yes, that's exactly right.

    http://asilentcacophony.blogspot.com/

  •  Bravo, senator. (none / 1)

    What a statesman you are.  The founding fathers would be proud.

    In Iraq, it's a dry heat. And the language that none of our troops or diplomats speak is Arabic rather than Vietnamese.--Daniel Ellsburg

    by ankylosaurus on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:48:24 AM PDT

  •  More complaint re the 'resistance'... (4.00 / 2)

    And why oh why aren't they suggesting loudly and clearly that there is a problem when a nominee can't get one stinking vote from the opposition party?  

    -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke IMPEACH THE BASTARDS!!!

    by caseynm on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:50:17 AM PDT

  •  "Consent." Senate a rubber stamp? (none / 1)

    If the constitutional language means the Senate can't deny confirmation without a vote, because that would not be advice and consent, that would appear also to mean that they can't vote no on a nominee, because that is also not consent.

    The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

    by lysias on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:52:47 AM PDT

  •  No such "duty," and here's the proof. (4.00 / 3)

    Let's look at the Standing Rules of the Senate, section XXXI, paragraph 6:

    "Nominations neither confirmed nor rejected during the session at which they are made shall not be acted upon at any succeeding session without being again made to the Senate by the President; and if the Senate shall adjourn or take a recess for more than thirty days, all nominations pending and not finally acted upon at the time of taking such adjournment or recess shall be returned by the Secretary to the President, and shall not again be considered unless they shall again be made to the Senate by the President."

    Somehow I doubt that the Senate rules include sections on "how to be unconstitutional..."

  •  And, by the way,... (none / 1)

    A big New Mexican hat-off to Harry--Give 'em hell!

    -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke IMPEACH THE BASTARDS!!!

    by caseynm on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:53:33 AM PDT

  •  Owens edorsement? (none / 1)

    I heard someone on NPR say that Judge Owens recieved the endorsement of every major newspaper in texas for the appointment to the federal circuit court.  Anyone know if that's true or have any related info?
    •  I think you have misinterpreted things... (none / 0)

      The way I understood it, although I'm not 100% certain, is that she received the endorsement of all the major newspapers there in her reelection bid to
      the State Supreme Court in the last election. I don't think it has anything to do with her being nominated to a federal bench.

      "This is where some of my dreams become realities. And where some of my realities become dreams." -Willie Wonka

      by green917 on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:33:27 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Straight-talkin' Harry (none / 0)

    At last, someone on our side has uttered the phrase that best describes our our opponents:  THE RADICAL RIGHT WING.  

    Moderate Repubs we can work with; but these ideologically-driven wackos are the t**d in the Republican punch bowl.  

    We need to drive a wedge between the RADICAL RIGHT WING and the more traditional Republicans.  I hear more and more traditional Republicans (former MO senator Danforth, for example) bemoan the direction the Republican party has taken.  Let's use this truth and take it home.  

  •  Best yet (4.00 / 3)

    This does four things and does them extremely well and in plain and simple language.

    1.  It points out the fallacies of the Republican arguments for ending the filibuster.  At the same time it talks about the purpose of the Senate as a moderating influence and the need to keep it that way.

    2.  It actually points out why these two nominees are unacceptable to the Democrats and why they should be unacceptable to the American people.  Outside of the world of blogs, this has not really been emphasized.  It creates the argument that the Dems are doing this for all Americans, not just out of some obstructionist mode.

    3.  It ties Bush's grab for power into the whole thing and connects that arrogance to those Republicans that would vote for the "nuclear option."  And either way theis ultimately turns out, he is already saying that this will be part of the 2006 campaigns.

    4.  He ties this all to the far right fringe and the ultimnate push regarding the Supreme court.

    This speech won't affect Republican Senators, but if it gets play time, it can influence a lot of moderate Republicans beyond the Beltway.

    Reid has been very effective, and I think in consultation with Dean, in terms of setting up the groundrules for the 2006 elections.  In the past, Dems have let the Republicans decide what the arena wil be and have purely reacted.  We are already seeing what the Republicans will have to defend themselves from next year.

    Bush, so incompetent, he can't even do the wrong things right.

    by JAPA21 on Thu May 19, 2005 at 08:54:54 AM PDT

  •  Just amongst my friends here... (none / 0)

    ...I'm willing to say that even though I'm as straight as a laser beam, I'm developing quite the man-crush on Sentor Reid.

    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  •  Reid (4.00 / 2)

    seems to get especially pissed off about Bush or Cheney getting personally involved in this.

    This may be a good line of attack to convince or persuade moderate GOP Senators. To cast it as a battle between two branches of government over the power of the third, not as an internal Senate debate (which, of course, is what it should be).

  •  Darbin Motion reveals repug agenda! (none / 0)

    He argued that other Bush nominees not be held up by the current debate. He requested the president of the Senate call for a vote to confirm other judges expediently. The president denied his request

    Look whose blocking up or down votes now!?

  •  Just a little thing we can all do (none / 0)

    Most Americans aren't aware of what the nuclear option means...
    Try spreading the word with this.

    I think it's a really good idea, for this issue and many others.  

    Ya, self promoting a diary, but only because I think it's a great, practical idea.

  •  also (4.00 / 2)

    Brownback today:

    "The problem now is that the issue has escalated," said Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., one of the leading conservatives in the Senate. "This has escalated into a question of: do you need a super-majority to get a Supreme Court nominee confirmed?'"

    No, Senator.

    The question is why wouldn't you want a Supreme Court nominee who could get a super-majority?

    Why doesn't Bush nominate justices that could be approved 87-9, like Breyer was?

    Or 96-3, like Ginsburg was?

    •  Yes (none / 0)

      apropos of what I said above--why aren't the Dems making major hay out of this particular point?

      -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke IMPEACH THE BASTARDS!!!

      by caseynm on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:06:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  the republicans have a firmer grip on the state (none / 0)

      than they did when Breyer and Ginsburg were approved.  The Republicans were more cautious then.  Neither Breyer nor Ginsburg would be approved by these margins now.  The Democrats and Republicans were working together a lot more.  Now even Kennedy is not good enough for the right wing extremists who control the Republican Party and most of our government.

      Politics is not arithmetic. It's chemistry.

      by tamandua on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:07:46 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes, but the point is to show them to be the (none / 0)

        hypocrites they in fact are, and to point out (to the public) that comity in the Senate is possible when people act reasonably and don't pursue an extremist agenda at any and all costs to our basic institutions.

        -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke IMPEACH THE BASTARDS!!!

        by caseynm on Thu May 19, 2005 at 09:12:05 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  true enough (none / 1)

        ...but there are still dozens of potential Supreme Court nominees who would satisfy the Senate and get a similar margin of victory in a Senate vote. Witness the numbers and percentages of judges who Bush has already gotten confirmed.

        Bush and Frist have chosen to push nominees who do not now - and would not have then - had the overwhelming support of the Senate.

        The right has been screwed by Souter and Kennedy and they are more rabid. This is all really an internal GOP debate being played out by ripping up the constitution and the collegiality of the senate.

        •  Picked to PROVOKE a filibuster. (none / 0)

          This is no accident.  This is a Rove strategy.  These folks were picked to provoke a filibuster.  They went for the 7 least acceptable judges who were willing to try again precisely in order to provoke a filibuster to use in the next campaign.  If they can actually get these radical judges confirmed, so much the better.  But that is gravy.

          John McCain--he's not who you think he is.

          by Mimikatz on Thu May 19, 2005 at 10:00:28 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  agree, and would add (none / 0)

            That pro-life judges are a dime a dozen, if all the Bushites wanted then there are many such nominees available.  When the Bushites say they want "Culture of Life" people on the bench keep watching the walnut shells to see what they're not showing.  

            These two nominations were deliberate, a test for the later power play for Supreme Court justices and OTHER JUDGES TO BE NAMED LATER.

            Now what cases could be coming down the pike that might require Bushites on the Bench? Asbestos, MTBE, Vioxx, and environmental regulations.

            As usual the Bushites are using the Right Wing Radical Christianists, and the media, to create a false issue in order to advance their real one. If nothing more this is the most cynical administration on record! And the most disparaging of the American people.

  •  Good talking Point... (none / 0)

    I am glad I agree with your propoganda

    See I used to get upset because I think you ignore the little things that poke holes in some of your arguements...but that's really okay...because paying attention to those little things is what gets smart people beat in elections...

    I know you'll say that you don't ignore anything...but it is occasionally convenient to bypass small and irrelevant arguements in order to make a grander point, and I think you do this well.

    I am now fully comfortable with ignoring small but important arguements in order to win the war but I worry that we'll end up much like the other side when we the war is won and we have finally ascended the peak...

    I am afraid it will be bittersweet.  Adopting their tactics is neccesary because the ones they have used to win elections have been the ones that have always worked to win.  Seeing policies I support implemented will be a huge sigh of relief, but having to watch the party and people  have supported act like many of those that I wanted out of office for so long will be sad.

    I do not hold you up as a represenation of all of this, but your style, to me, embodies the direction the party. "the left", needs to head in order to win elections.  This style also feels like a precurso to our version of the fox news, which we need.

    I will support it all.  The one sided public debates.  The defense of occasionally illogical positions for political gain.  I will support it as it developes.  I will think it neccesary for our success, but I will be sad that it has to be this way.

    A broad rambling comment that means absolutely nothing to anyone...even me...