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Gay men navigate like straight women

Mon May 09, 2005 at 04:47:15 PM PDT

Behavioral Neuroscience reports that gay men tend to navigate like heterosexual women, using landmarks instead of spatial directions.  This boosts the evidence that sexual orientation is partly biological in nature.  The evidence against the Right-Wing self-righteous Theocratic Mantra "homosexuality is an evil sin" is mounting.  (Not that evidence, scientific or otherwise, will ever make a difference to that crowd, alas...)

Some extracts from a New Scientist summary:

Gay men employ the same strategies for navigating as women - using landmarks to find their way around - a new study suggests.

But they also use the strategies typically used by straight men, such as using compass directions and distances. In contrast, gay women read maps just like straight women, reveals the study of 80 heterosexual and homosexual men and women.

There is an important caveat there: trite generalisations such as "gay men have women's brains" are not appropriate.
"Gay men adopt male and female strategies. Therefore their brains are a sexual mosaic," explains Qazi Rahman, a psychobiologist who led the study at the University of East London, UK. "It's not simply that lesbians have men's brains and gay men have women's brains."
So, it sounds like gay men are superior, having access to both navigation methods.
Women tend to navigate using landmarks. For example: "Turn left at the church and carry on past the corner shop." Rahman told New Scientist that "men rely more on the points of the compass; they have a better sense of north, south, east and west". They are also more likely to describe distances.

This sounds dangerously close to a sweeping generalisation about women versus men.  However, according to the article there are volumes of experiments confirming this.  

Here are some more paragraphs from the article:

Rahman and his colleagues designed the study to test a theory that gay men and lesbian women might show "cross-sex shifts" in some cognitive abilities as well as in their sexual preferences.

The hypothesis is that homosexual people shift in the direction of the opposite sex in other aspects of their psychology other than sexual preference. That is, gay men may take on aspects of female psychology, and lesbians acquire aspects of male psychology.

Gay men did indeed show a "robust cross-sex shift" in the study, says Rahman. Volunteers were asked to look at a pictorial map and memorise four different routes for about a minute. They then had to recall the information as though they were giving a friend directions from one place to another.

"As we expected, straight men used more compass directions than gay men or women, and used distances as well. Women recalled significantly more landmarks," says Rahman. But gay men recalled more landmarks than straight men, as well as using typically male orientation strategies.


The sample size was only 80, so (in my view) we can't really draw robust conclusions.  Nonetheless, I still think it's one in the eye for the "being gay is a sin" crowd.

PS: although it mentions gay women navigating more like straight men at the beginning of the article, the later parts of the article focus on gay men navigating like straight women. I couldn't figure out whether that is bias, or whether there's more experimental evidence for the latter.

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  •  I'm a straight female... (none / 1)

    and I hate landmark directions!  Give me street names and tell me to turn N/E/S/W!!

    I'd much rather turn at the "third light" than "when I get to the McDonald's".

  •  Fuck nurture! Go Nature! (none / 1)

    That's all I have to say.
  •  I know where it is. (none / 0)

    we'll get there when we get there.  map schmap.
  •  Great Diary (none / 0)

    I just got done reading that and the Gay Pheremone article.  I did the other one as it was shorter (and easier) to post and I'm tired.

    "I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass." -- Barry Goldwater

    by DraconisRex on Mon May 09, 2005 at 04:59:14 PM PDT

  •  The problem with the idea here... (4.00 / 2)

    ...is that the "gay is sin" crowd is already past this. They've already, in large part, accepted the possibility that the orientation is innate, and nevertheless hold that acting on it is sinful.

    Really, there is no weight I can see to the nature/nurture/choice argument unless you agree that "gay is bad" and are concerned with what kind of "bad" it is.

    Look, I'm a religious Catholic. I don't feel convinced by the heirarchy's position that homosexuality is a moral ill. OTOH, more importantly for my secular political stances, I see no evidence that, if gayness is a sin, it is a sin against other people rather than one against one's relationship to God, so there is no reason of any secular discrimination.

    And that's, IMO, where the policy analysis ought to end. It doesn't matter where the source of the behavior or orientation is: if it doesn't produce harm to other people, its no basis for negative treatment.

    •  Yes (none / 1)

      I think you make the best point of all, which we ought to focus our entire Message Machine around, whether it's homosexuality itself, or gay marriage: does it hurt anybody?  If not, it cannot be a sin, surely?
      •  I wouldn't go so far... (none / 0)

        ...as to say it cannot be a sin if it doesn't hurt another person, but I don't think punishing sin, per se is the role of civil government. There are sins which are also public wrongs -- murder, for instance, is generally both -- but if there is no harm to others, whether or not there is "sin", there cannot be a public wrong.
    •  exactly right. (none / 1)

      And what if, against the mounting evidence, something turns up that says homosexuality is "nurture" or "choice" after all?  What do we do then?  Give up and say, oh well, I guess it might be OK to hate people for it then?  

      Or the flip side.... nothing the fundies love more than to equate homosexuality to pedophilia.  Well, evidence also shows that pedophilia is pretty hardwired, too.  But it's still wrong.  Why?  What's the difference?

      The difference is that sexual "right" and "wrong" as far as the law is concerned has to do with consent.  And nothing else.  Sex with children is a crime not because it's perverted or abnormal but because children, under our legal code, are not capable of consent.

      [A little tangent... our laws also take into account varying degrees of capability to consent due to age; it's a more serious crime to have sex with a prepubescent childe than a sexually mature teenager who willingly engaged in the act, and it may not be a crime at all if you are nineteen and your partner is seventeen.  The law figures the seventeen-year-old can handle you, but not necessarily a forty-year-old authority figure.  The law also figures that the forty-year-old authority figure should know better than the nineteen-year-old.]

      Marriage is also all about consent... two adults voluntarily enter into a living arrangement where they function as a family, as a social and financial unit.  No one can make you marry someone you don't choose to marry, and you can marry whoever you choose.  That's the idea, fervently upheld in our courts in all respects except if you are gay.

      People consider pedophilia to be morally wrong for all sorts of reasons - and good ones - the psychological and physical harm it does to the child being the main one.  People are free to feel that sleeping with someone of the same sex is morally wrong, hardwired or not, but the law cannot recognize that because no harm is done and the parties consent.  Just like people are free to feel that sex or marriage to a divorced person is morally wrong, but the law does not recognize that it is, even if judges personally think so, even if the Pope says so, because our laws are founded on the principal of individual autonomy limited only by the legitimate need of the state to protect the rights of others.  If you don't infringe on the rights of others with your action, it ain't a crime.  Or shouldn't be.

      "Patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." -- Adlai E. Stevenson

      by eebee on Mon May 09, 2005 at 06:18:04 PM PDT

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      •  Another example (none / 0)

        We accept in this country that it is generally unacceptable to discriminate against people for their religious affiliation -- or lack thereof -- but, whatever natural tendencies and contributions from childhood environment are involved, it is unquestionable that religious affiliation is ultimately a personal choice, yes?
  •  My husband gets lost, no matter what (none / 0)

    Map, landmarks, directions, compass, nothing helps.  He has GOT to get in touch with his feminine side, at least when driving.

    Or keep asking me to tell him when to turn.

    "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

    by Cream City on Mon May 09, 2005 at 05:15:17 PM PDT

  •  And fascinating diary, btw; thanks! (none / 0)

    "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

    by Cream City on Mon May 09, 2005 at 05:15:54 PM PDT

  •  To add a story (none / 0)

    I'm gay, and a gay friend once wrote up directions for a largely gay set of friends to visit his beach house for 4th of July.

    All the instructions involved landmarks (after the lagoon, at the nursery, once into town, etc).

    I tend to navigate with a combination of landmarks and numbers, and was frustrated by the directions but found my way.

    All other guests just read the directions and let intuition guide them, and they made it with no problems.

    Of course, in this particular case landmarks were the only way to go, as the house is in Bolinas, a city notorious for taking down signs to keep out tourists and outsiders.  It also has a rather organicly grown set of streets in the old town part.

    •  Totally off Diary but (none / 0)

      I love Bolinas.  Grew up in Marin and we would head out there every chance we got.  Can't believe the Barery is gone though, i loved that place.

      For anyone who hasn't been there I highly recommend it, altough I am not going to tell you how to get there :)

      just because I call you to task for shitting on Democrat y, does not mean I support y, or x or z. It only means you are an asshole.

      by ETinKC on Mon May 09, 2005 at 05:33:42 PM PDT

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  •  key research needed (none / 1)


    What's needed badly is a longitudinal study: in other words a study that starts with children early enough that sexuality is not an issue, and looks at a number of cognitive measures, of which navigation would be one.

    Keep the results sealed until the individuals are 18 and then ask them about their sexual orientations and histories.

    I'll bet you find a whole bunch of interesting correlations.  

  •  Where is both ? (none / 1)

    I guess Im bi :(

    We are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy unless it obstructs interstate commerce. - J. Edgar Hoover

    by tiponeill on Mon May 09, 2005 at 06:15:18 PM PDT

  •  No choices for me (none / 0)

    I'm a gay man, but I use both strategies.

    The first time I visit a place, I require maps -- aerial perspectives of the place. On return visits to a place, I don't necessarily use landmarks so much as an internal homing mechanism, that I guess may be augmented by landmarks, though not consciously. Of course, I'm conscious while driving  :-D

    I think that more than anything, this is an indication that the brains of gay men tend -- without over generalizing -- to use both left and right sides of the brain in order to accomplsh tasks, whereas straigh people will tend, whether due to biology, nurture, or both, will rely more on one or the other; right brain=creative, spatial, visual, and left=abstract.

    Chaos. It's not just a theory.

    by PBnJ on Mon May 09, 2005 at 06:39:07 PM PDT

  •  And in other gay science news... (none / 1)

    Gay men respond to pheromones like women not straight men.
  •  NEWS navigatgion depends on layoutg (none / 1)

    North/South/East/West type instructions make more sense for people who live in places built on a grid.

    Try that BS in downtown Boston
    ...or better yet, parts of Brookline MA which seem to be not only non-cartesian, but non-euclidian geometry ...

    bwahahahahaha

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