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Dean strategists involved in helping create left-wing CNN?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 06:59:18 PM PDT

I wanted to give a tip of the cap to the blog Accidental Deliberations, a member of our Progressive Bloggers group, for alerting us to this story.

This was one of the main stories found today at The Tyee, which is an alternative new-media left-wing source based out of British Columbia, Canada:

Independent World Television will go public on June 15. The goal, as bold as it is big, is to create an alternative news and current affairs network that is, as its name implies, global in reach and free from corporate or government pressures. The network’s success depends on changing the economics of media, with an audacious plan to raise $25 million a year made up of $50 donations from half a million people around the world. Money from business, advertisers and government will be prohibited.
The creator of this is Paul Jay, who was a former excutive producer of CBC Newsworld's debate program "CounterSpin".

According to the article, IWTNews is aiming to get its own digital TV channels in Canada, the U.S. and elsewhere. Programming will also  be offered at their  web site. The article says that  Link TV will carry IWT programming. "ensuring that 25 million U.S. home will have access to IWT shows".

Here's one interesting statement in the article that really caught my eye:

...They would use the Internet -- which allows millions of people to band together – to raise the money. Jay has brought on board key strategists from the Howard Dean presidential campaign who were astonishingly successful in raising millions of dollars in small amounts over the Internet.

The article doesnt really state if they are former or current strategists... but whoever they are, they want that expertise of fundraising over the internet to help them get started.

The article lists a pretty impressive list of who's who on the advisory committee of IWT:

The 98-member IWT advisory committee reads like a who’s who of progressive left activism and journalism, especially from the US. The list includes Lewis Lapham of Harper’s Magazine, Gore Vidal, Jeff Cohen, Laura Flanders and Janine Jackson from Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, Amy Goodman of Democracy Now, and Janeane Garofalo of Air America.

Among the 35 Canadians on the committee are familiar names like Patrick Watson, Bill Roberts of Vision TV, Naomi Klein, Avi Lewis, Stephen Lewis and filmmaker Alan King. From other countries the advisory board contains people like investigative journalist Greg Palast, anti-nuclear armaments activist Helen Calidicott, and former U.K. Labour Minister Tony Benn.

And what of its plans? Fairly modest for the moment:

Sample programming consists of six hours of programs five days a week. These include one hour of citizen journalism from around the world, the evening news, an issue-focused debate show, a show in which journalists and experts analyze the day’s major stories, an investigative program, feature-length documentaries, a show on the global political economy, political satire, issues from the south, environmental issues and a show profiling how people have organized their campaigns.

If you want to look at its prospectus and think its worthy enough to donate to the cause, go to its main website here.

Update [2005-6-13 22:12:19 by tribe34]:

I was asked about who the Dean people (or former Dean people) are on this group.. Here are some from the website that I can find:

Paul Maslin (USA), pollster and strategist for “Dean for America”, internet-based fundraising consultant and pollster for IWTnews’s planning study."

Nicco Mele (USA), Howard Dean's campaign webmaster and internet strategist. Was webmaster at Common Cause and the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative. Named one of America 's "best and brightest" by Esquire magazine in December 2003.

Stephanie Schriock (USA), National Finance Director for the Howard Dean Presidential Campaign, and previously served at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee as Director of Campaign Assistance. She is lead consultant for IWTnews on fundraising issues

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  •  Tip Jar: (4.00 / 98)

    I havent posted here in awhile ... (no.. nothing to do with the pie "scandal"!! I've been busy with our own blog) but this stoy looked worthy enough to post about.. As always, my apologies if its already been written about.
    •  You made my day. (none / 0)

      Please, everyone, recommend this diary, and open up your PayPal balances to help this cause.
      •  made my day (4.00 / 2)

        This is possibly the best news I have heard ever. If this works - to have a completely non-corporate yet mainstream news source - the propaganda machine of the ruling elites will be toast. It will be totally exposed. It only works by marginalizing contrary voices. A true progressive TV network is the single most effective thing that can be done to fight the corporatocracy. I am completely psyched. Man, I hope they can pull this off.
    •  Really, really good diary (none / 0)

      Tribe...

      Spread the word everyone... !!

      everyone here should be bookmarking that site and sending to all the friends they know... all around the world... it begins...

      :)

      -9.13, -7.79 When you pray, move your feet. -African Proverb

      by L0kI on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:54:24 PM PDT

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    •  Right on! (none / 0)

      Such good news.

      One random point re the original article - Greg Palast is an American, who happens to live and work in London (for The Guardian newspaper).  If you haven't read "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" then go out and buy it.  It's fantastic - really lays down the history of the stealing of the 2000 election and Bush crony corporatist ties.

      I wonder if SRIs (Socially Responsible Index funds) are at all looking at buying into this IPO, if it actually does go public.  What a great way for funds whose investment objectives are geared toward holding equities and fixed income securities of more ethically, socially and environmentally fair/responsible companies to get in on the ground floor of a potentially very successful fledgling network.

      LINK TV is great, so is Free Speech TV.  Dish satellite TV is a good thing.  I'd never get these channels on Comcast.

      Hate isn't a value.

      by deep6 on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 07:30:35 AM PDT

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      •  wait - not IPO (none / 0)

        Too many hours working at my investment company.  I see the phrase "go public" and I start thinking about equities.

        Time for a vacation.

        Hate isn't a value.

        by deep6 on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 07:38:29 AM PDT

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      •  Yes (none / 0)

        You are right about that. I have cable and I doubt I would ever get to see this network. We have debated about getting a Satellite but the trouble arises in costs. If we had just one TV, it would be as affordable as the basic cable we have. But, when we did a cost analysis for our region, satellite would cost more than cable in order to get local stations. But we manage to get all these channels we do not ever watch. Cable would expand and be cheaper if there was competition like telephone providers.
        Telephone costs stay low because of competition.

        The one thing we know about the McCain campaign...is that they're very good at negative campaigns, they're not so good at governing- Barack Obama

        by wishingwell on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 08:55:33 AM PDT

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    •  Please, let this be so. Make it happen. (none / 0)

      News that is reality-based? Important to more than just the powerful and the wealthy? No beholden to commercial influence? No subject to censorship.... Ah, that's where BushCo will be attaching this.

      But, please, let it happen.  Let it be.

      Thank you so much for this oh so welcome news.

    •  Thought you deserved to see this Tribe34: (none / 0)

      Since you have done as much to raise awareness for their cause (if not more) as I, and any other Blogger/Kossack that took notice and did something about it.  

        Thank you, Kossacks!

      www.IWTnews.com

      As IWTnews' Internet Director, imagine my surprise when after taking a break from the site over the weekend, I return to find it JAMMED with outstanding comments, contributions and email signups from wildly enthusiastic Kos readers. Thank you, Kossacks!!!

      Between our chair, Paul Jay, appearing on Air America radio over the weekend, and this post, we had our single best day EVER for contributions and email signups Saturday.

      There's some amazing comments and critiques here, which will we'll take some time to process and address here and on our own IWTnews Blog in the days ahead.

      Special thanks to Stephen Herron for blasting us into the blogosphere. And thanks again for the oustanding input and support!

      by Matt from IWTnews on Mon Jun 27th, 2005 at 12:24:51 PDT

      Now, the only problem that I have with this "thank you" note he left in my diary on IWT to all of us from IWT:

      The hundreds of GOP wingnuts that I have really, really, REALLY pissed off over time now know my full name! lol It is bad enough getting hate-Email from them, BUT now I may end up getting snail mail and phonecalls.

      Oh well, it should be worth it in the end.

  •  Wow! (none / 0)

    Any names yet?  Of the former Dean staffers, that is?

    John McCain will end Roe v. Wade if he's president.

    by Phoenix Woman on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:04:44 PM PDT

  •  Holy shit! (4.00 / 3)

    Please, please, please, dear god let this work!
  •  Blockquotes (none / 1)

    Good diary. Recommended.

    A hint to make it more readable, to make blockquotes use the following code:

    [div class="blockquote"] quoted text [/div]

    But replace all the ['s with <'s and the ]'s with >'s.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:07:06 PM PDT

  •  Internet, internet, internet (none / 1)

    MSNBC.com videos get more eyeballs sometimes than MSNBC itself.  

    This new channel will need a TV presence, but it absolutely must be an opinion maker online, too.  

    "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

    by Newsie8200 on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:12:33 PM PDT

    •  But make it Mac-compatible! (none / 1)

      MSNBC videos cannot be viewed on Macs -- to make this effective, make it platform-independent.

      Don't tell me you're a patriot. Let me find it out for myself.

      by indybend on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 08:47:18 PM PDT

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      •  Apple could be a source of (none / 0)

        some considerable coin and tech support.

        $25M is a lot of cabbage, I gotta say.

        •  Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (4.00 / 2)

          They must refuse large donations from corporations and individuals. Otherwise it will become just like the rest of the crap  we are fed.
          •  Look if they can get donations (none / 0)

            but make it clear there are no strings attatched, then go ahead.

            They have to be clear on there SOPs, charter, whateve that donations are unconditional and they have to find ways to maintain independence both ethically and financially.

            But they will have to walk a tightrope.

            Personally, I would open two networks, make one an HBO type channel that would subsidise the news network and offer them as a package deal, but segregate the programing (never thought I'd use that word in a good context). Keep the news pure, but find some way to lure the more apathetic. Let's face it, barring a catastrophe, real news doesn't get the ratings, and that's okay. I would rather have honest info that gets ignored then the crap version of the truth that grabs people's attention.

            •  Won't work (none / 1)

              So what happens when corporation X, which has been donating generously and "without strings" calls up and says "kill report Y or we pull our funding"?

              That string is going to exist, one way or another.  The money has to come from somewhere, and the golden rule of arts and sciences applies ("He who has the gold, makes the rules").  No- we must hold those strings, not some corporation.

              Of course, this means we need to step up to the plate and cough up the gold as well.  Which I plan to do.

              "History does not always repeat itself. Sometimes it just yells, 'Can't you remember anything I told you?' and lets fly with a club." --John W. Campbell

              by bhurt on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 01:09:36 PM PDT

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          •  I hear you (none / 0)

            and if there are money bags out there with replenishable resources, wonderful.  $25M/year minimum to reach 25M people is a tall order, though.  I think scalability comes over the internet, which is why I thought Apple, someone with the incentive and momentum to take a bite out of Microsoft's ass.
      •  I Don't Care if It Runs Only on Nemesis (none / 0)

        Just get the tele up and running, and do it right. People wouldn't have given MSNBC the time of day if they didn't have a cableTV operation. Furthermore, those who are online have plenty of access to the information these folks are putting out there.

        Does anybody else think that $25M/year is a bit light for such a big project? I'd hate to see this effort look like public access trash ...

        Which pundit most resembles Ruby Rhod?

        by wystler on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 11:21:15 PM PDT

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        •  I'm worried about that,too. (none / 0)

          $25 million a year -- PBS' WGBH in Boston probably runs through that all by itself, and it's just one TV station.

          Then again, one can do a lot on a shoestring.  I've put together PowerPoints that look like Ken Burns productions, and friends tell me that Director leaves PowerPoint in the dust.

          John McCain will end Roe v. Wade if he's president.

          by Phoenix Woman on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 05:16:53 AM PDT

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          •  Can be done (none / 0)

            Some partners and I are actually putting together an Internet-only video/blog news and info site and let me tell you, $25 million could do a lot. A good chunk of the expense of traditional TV production/distribution is in technology and equipment expenses that can be bypassed today if you're smart about it. In fact, if you significantly decentralize production you could bring that number down even further and still have a kick-ass product. What I'm working on is more of an amped-up, modernized, diversified public TV with a community web feel rather than this neoCNN-type effort, so our expenses are even lower (by a bunch). But even for this type of ambitious attempt, $25 million is perfectly reasonable.

            disclaimer: I'm John Kerry's Internet Director

            by BriVT on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 07:45:31 AM PDT

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            •  But Internet Only Doesn't Accomplish Mission (none / 0)

              I cannot believe the intent is to give folks who access web content resources. We already have many. And we're such a small percentage of the voting public.

              The point has got to be reaching out to those who do not scan the web for in-depth information. Offering an alternative to the five families of television (GE, Disney, Viacom, TimeWarner, and Fox) for news content on that medium will tend to chew through dollars.

              Yes, WebTV is an exciting front, too, but it's not likely to touch very many who aren't already in touch with big information. That's precisely why $25M seems so inadequate. The operation has to do both. They have to:

              • close the deal with cable companies to become a part of the basic cable package,
              • ditto with satellite,; &
              • build a web delivery model,

              all in addition to operations costs, talent, and, dare I say, marketing.

              I'll be blunt. If I believe the mission is to deliver honest news content to the general public, I've got a regular donation for them, though I'd rather see a business model that would allow me to invest and risk making a profit. OTOH, if the mission is to deliver content to the already converted, I might find a small one-time donation.

              Which pundit most resembles Ruby Rhod?

              by wystler on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 09:17:15 AM PDT

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              •  you've got me going on my favorite subject ... (none / 0)

                What you say is very true. That's why I contrasted what I am trying to start (Internet only) with what they are doing.

                $25 million dollars is not all that bad if you a)don't have to fill 24 hours b)can market yourself in other ways c)don't try to get on basic cable and d)look to new models of production. My initial point was mostly that it wouldn't impact the quality of the content as much as some seem to think. There are major limits to what you can do with $25 million, of course. Basically, the economics of getting a basic cable network going on this contribution model would never work.

                Satellite broadcasting can make this work, though. It doesn't cost much to get a foothold there, as opposed to cable. And the number of people using digital satellites has been rising steadily for years. Getting on basic cable is a pipe dream for any network right now without major, major, major dollars.

                What they are trying to do is do the most they can do while using this form of capital raising. Which is cool. I'm not totally sure the cost/benefit of this will work; I'm not sure that you can make enough of an impact just on satellite at this point to keep up the high member level they need. I think that's why they're thinking globally. I'd bet the plan is to start as an extreme niche on a world-wide scale, build an audience through their unique programming, and try to expand out, capitalizing on the continuing spread of satellite TV.

                Now, as for web-only presence, I think, rather than looking at bringing TV to the Internet, people should think of it as adding video to the web. Most places I've seen look at it the first way, but I still contend that a pure WebTV as most envision it is a pipedream. People interact with their media in a different way when they sit at a computer desk than when they park themselves on the couch in front of a TV. But, since the video people working to bring TV to the web are broadcast people (think ABC streaming news), they think in a broadcast paradigm, a top-down, continuous flow of information that a viewer can tap into.

                Why would this web-only presence be important? As you say, people on-line already have a lot of information at their fingertips. What they don't have is the power of video. Well-crafted video has an emotional content that can't be matched by text; it can connect people to an issue or a story or a set of facts in a way text never can. It maybe won't reach out immediately and change the world, but it'll make a powerful addition to the information flow on-line. And, as more and more people get the majority of their information from the internet, it will be positioned to grow. Without an integrated video content, the Internet can never approach a tiny fraction of the impact of television. And that's a bad thing. Because the barriers of entry into the television world are very high indeed, so that only the biggest corporations/richest fat-cats can enter that world.

                When you don't have the money of the corporate/conservative hierarchy, you have to jump ahead of them.

                disclaimer: I'm John Kerry's Internet Director

                by BriVT on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 11:10:25 AM PDT

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                •  asdf (none / 0)

                  According to their prospectus, they do intend to get carriage on basic cable ... they'll be budget-challenged to close the deal with the likes of Comcast ...

                  Which pundit most resembles Ruby Rhod?

                  by wystler on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 11:41:12 AM PDT

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                  •  Get out! (none / 0)

                    Hmmm ... that seems a little pie-in-the-sky to me. I'm not sure about that. I better read their prospectus, see how they attempt to connect the dots. I don't want to put it down without seeing what they plan. But I've seen other flame-outs and they almost always are because they attempted to break into markets that required more capital than they had.

                    disclaimer: I'm John Kerry's Internet Director

                    by BriVT on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 04:42:21 PM PDT

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          •  Not the Air America model (none / 0)

            Don't get me wrong, I love Air America. As I understand it, they went for the cheap production equipment but big-name talent who were offered big bucks. And I admit I love their big-name talent; I went right for Al Franken's and Janeane Garofalo's shows from Day 1.

            But we all know AAR went through severe financial birth pangs in their first few months out of the gate. So putting the bucks into personalities may  not be the best strategy for this project.

            I am curious what their business model is, and how they plan to get distributed. I don't know that I'd agree with a comment that big cable distributors wouldn't carry it. Aside from one or two wackos like Murdoch or the owners of Sinclair Broadcasting, I don't think ideology trumps money for most broadcasters. If it has an audience, if it will make them money, cable networks will carry it.

            •  Is it just me...? (none / 0)

              Or should people who really believe in what they're doing not need to drain huge amounts of money from the one liberal news organization?

              I like their shows, but this kind of thing stinks.

              "we must make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for civilization" - Al Gore

              by racerx on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 10:30:01 AM PDT

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            •  Local Cable (none / 0)

              Cable carriers like their basic package to include local ads. IWT does not plan to include advertising. Thus, the alternative is to pay a higher carriage fee. This is gonna get expensive.

              (btw, they have a link to their prospectus on their homepage ... link above)

              Which pundit most resembles Ruby Rhod?

              by wystler on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 11:44:18 AM PDT

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  •  Competition is Critical... (none / 0)

    I have thought for a couple of years that there is a large unmet US market for real news, serious opinion and exposes that are artfully presented. My thought had been something like a USA Today model, but one devoted to such weird things as facts, trends, short essays, the other sides of sports, etc. The editorial page would bring "fair and balanced" to the kitchen table or commuter. It would build on great graphics, try to illuminate the pulse of the 'internets' and have an "Out Foxed" or "Partiot Purge", etc. feature each week. I would pay $100 a year for a subscription ahead, based on a prototype. Maybe this is the Tee Vee side of the deal.  Keep us in touch and thanks. Recommended.

    Live Free or Die Bold

    by vetfordean on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:13:20 PM PDT

    •  the market doesn't matter... (none / 0)

      in this case, because they aren't going to rely on advertising.  This is going to be truly a public broadcasting network.

      I prefer peace Wouldn't have to have one worldly possession But essentially I'm an animal So just what do I do with all the aggression?

      by jbou on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 09:13:12 PM PDT

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  •  One question... (none / 0)

    How does $25M/yr compare to the other networks? Anyone know?

    www.climatechangers.org... it's a matter of degrees.

    by princemyshkin on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:13:25 PM PDT

    •  decided to answer my own question (4.00 / 3)

      CNN's annual budget in 2004 was $550M/yr, Faux News was $265M/yr and MSNBC was $254M/yr.  Interesting to look at their respective profitability, particularly in that they've all been turning a profit the last couple of years.

      The point of the question is what kind of an impact can a $25M/yr network have.  Trust me, I welcome it but wouldn't expect to see it.

      www.climatechangers.org... it's a matter of degrees.

      by princemyshkin on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 08:09:12 PM PDT

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      •  Minus the this and that (none / 0)

        Take away what they spend on marketing (%30?)

        What the spend on toys and effects.

        Take away some corperate perks and top heavy salaries for the CEO's.

        Minus some this and that and you get 25 million to have a real News station.

        Makes sense to me?

        •  Better comparison (none / 0)

          Would be something like Northwest Cable News or another regional cable news channel.

          Having trouble finding how much that costs to run, though the parent company(Belo)'s annual report has their Television Group of roughly 15 stations costing about $438 million.

          Let's say the NW section of that(which is 5 stations) costs $150. Nailing down the cost of NWCN is more tricky because it gets a lot of content and reporting from the NW stations.

          So $25 million is going to be tight and 24 hours is a lot of airtime to fill.

          A modified version of Headline News might be workable though. Hour long news programs, maybe alternate between international and national news hours. Lean on the BBC and other international outlets for footage.

  •  So dreams really DO come true!! (none / 0)

    Just like Jiminy Cricket said.

    This is TREMENDOUS!!!

    Support The Troops, Demand The Truth

    by MamaBear on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:14:16 PM PDT

  •  I'm a bit disappointed that (none / 0)

    the proposed start-up time is 2007. Maybe if we give lots and lots of moolah, it can happen sooner?
  •  Palast (none / 0)

    I got the Nutty Deck last year. soon to be made into a sunshade for the car.

    Bush/Cheney04 Because it takes 8 years to Destroy the Country Download GeckosAgainstBS song

    by demnomore on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:28:22 PM PDT

  •  deaniacs (4.00 / 21)

    Dean and his ideas are the biggest threat to the Rove machine we have.  Extending his fundraising skills through people that have worked with him to help a real news channel is an entirely good thing.  Grassroots fundraising is scaring the bejebus out of the rethugs, and for good reason.  It is no wonder why they are threatening to restraing bloggers.  

    When Barry Goldwater lost he planted the seeds for the conservative revolution.  I see Dean doing this with everything he touches.  

    I was not a Deaniac before, but after watching him over the past few years I definitely am now.  We need bold.  We need inovation.  We need controversial straight talk.  We need fundraising.  We need someone with a good left hook.  He is one I want standing up for me to the Rovian Nazgul circling Washington.

  •  Thank you for posting this! (none / 0)

    I read about this group a couple of months ago, visited the site, and then lost track of the URL and forgot the name. I bumbled around Google trying to find it a few times to no avail.

    This is fantastic.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:42:37 PM PDT

  •  Schriock (none / 1)

    Mele and Maslin are both solid ex-Deaners, but Steph Schriock is they key here -- her fundraising skills are off-the-chart awesome, and she can strike the fear of god in someone with the best of them (even Trippi was afraid to piss her off at HQ).  If they let her direct the fundraising side of things, they'll hit their numbers.  No question about.

    "I want my country back!" - Howard Dean (proud member, reality-based community)

    by ziggy on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 07:47:33 PM PDT

  •  Great News ... (none / 0)


    I wonder if the standard Cable TV packages will carry it though (as they do CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc.)

    We need some investors to really put the thing over the top ( George Soros? ) and make it ubiquitous.

    •  Yes because.... (none / 0)

      A lot of people only get cable, especially those who cannot afford the cost of installation and other surcharges associated with satellite. I talk to a number of seniors who refuse to get Satellite or Digital cable on a fixed budget because all they have known for the past 25 -30 years is cable.
      I know in my region to get expanded digital cable or decent satellite service is very costly. So people stick to basic cable in more impoverished areas.

      The one thing we know about the McCain campaign...is that they're very good at negative campaigns, they're not so good at governing- Barack Obama

      by wishingwell on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 09:00:05 AM PDT

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  •  George Soros (4.00 / 4)

    Please God. Make it this year.
  •  As soon as I read the first paragraph (4.00 / 3)

    I thought "Amy Goodman better be in on this," and lo and behold, there she is!  They should get Moyers, by God.

    Going to donate right now.

    "While there is a lower class, I am in it. While there is a criminal element, I am of it. While there is a soul in prison, I am not free." - Eugene Debs

    by matthewc on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 08:27:15 PM PDT

    •  Just donated (4.00 / 2)

      Oh man, Robert McChesney, Howard Zinn, Naomi Klein . . . be still, my beating heart!

      "While there is a lower class, I am in it. While there is a criminal element, I am of it. While there is a soul in prison, I am not free." - Eugene Debs

      by matthewc on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 08:37:50 PM PDT

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      •  Me too (none / 1)

        Sight unseen, with hopes I will like the result.  Hope I'm not disappointed.

        This is really getting in on the ground floor, I notice their PayPal account is still unverified (limiting their withdrawals to $500 a month), and currently shows zero verified contributors (which only counts contributions older than 30 days).  They'll surely move to a real merchant account rather than PayPal once they become a serious organization.  I'm actually surprised they haven't already, with the backing they claim.

        The reason I'm hopeful about this is because outside of building a strong party and fielding effective candiates, I see 2 main problems we need to tackle:

        1. Voting integrity.  Including verifiable machines, keeping valid voters on the rolls, no long waits to vote, no intimidation or dirty tricks to keep people from voting.

        2. Media.  Winning is much, much harder when part of the media is nothing more than administration propaganda, and the rest are afraid to rock the boat and challenge and investigate.
    •  Amy Goodman, and in particular for me, (4.00 / 2)

      Naomi Klein, who I aspire to be like when I grow up, except for the fact that she is about 20 years younger than I am.

      Corporate Media: Republicans are their base.

      by lecsmith on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 10:52:08 PM PDT

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  •  thanks for the good-news night cap! (none / 0)

    Very exciting news.

    I didn't see his name on the list of advisors but I sure hope that Bill Moyers is involved in this project. Still, it sure looks like the dream team of progressive journalism.

    Heck, I work in medicine, but I would love to be involved in this historic event in some way beyond a suscriber.

  •  ARGGGHH!! Headline Wording! (none / 0)

    "Global Public TV" would seem a better caption  description.

    ("Left Wing CNN" is not going to happen within our grandchildren's lifetimes.)

    On my hands-and-knees I pray that they try to reach the 100% of humanity ignored by US public broadcasting.

    I have my doubts about how many bbls of cash really lie beneath the surface of the Internet. I hope this doesn't end up slant-drilling into Democratic activists' pool.

    But hey, there's been so little happening, almost anything's better than nothing.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 08:30:00 PM PDT

  •  Feh. (none / 0)

    I don't want to watch "left wing" news any more than I want to watch "right wing" news. Same reason I don't listen to AirAmerica.

    Can I just have...news?

    •  Advantage of left news (4.00 / 2)

      Assuming the news is credible, it could have a big effect on the news. There have been so many stories over the last 5 years that didn't take off until a major U.S. news source picked up the story. A credible, mainstream, independent channel could jump start a lot of stories.

      "We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men." Edward R. Murrow

      by aprichard on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 08:59:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I don't think it's going to be like that really.. (none / 0)

      I think they'll be critical of a Dem president, too. If we ever have one again..
    •  If you want "just news" watch... (none / 0)

      the newshour on pbs.

      I prefer peace Wouldn't have to have one worldly possession But essentially I'm an animal So just what do I do with all the aggression?

      by jbou on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 09:15:53 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Only as long as (none / 0)

        it is still there...how long until it's defunded and killed along with the rest of PBS and NPR?

        This could end up being a really nice way to backstop the hole that the Republicans want to create in the center-left of the available viewing options.

        FWIW, I think that this will have to be available one way or another 24-7 for it to be viable (although it could have a lot of repetition as CNNHN does).  Otherwise you need to be able to remember when it shows if you're going to catch it.

    •  I don't think they are structurally equivalent. (none / 0)

      with "The Truth" somewhere in the middle. The act of really doing journalism is a very liberal and democratic enterprise because journalism's professional mission is to report truthfully about events in the world and government activities. Giving real knowledge to ordinary people is actually becoming a very radical thing to do (that is why organizations like Move On and people like Howard Dean are labelled "very left wing"; they are radical, populist, democrats (small-d); they are not Marxists but they are being treated as if they were). As it stands at the moment, there is no representation of any view other than the corporate one, with a bit of minor criticism within very narrow poles.

      Corporate Media: Republicans are their base.

      by lecsmith on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 11:26:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'm all giddy (none / 0)

    with excitement.

    Nothing like some good news to end my day with.

    O 4 O: Oregon for Obama!

    by smugbug on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 08:53:17 PM PDT

  •  "Wing-less" CNN (none / 0)

    Since the new station would be independent, wouldn't it be "wing-less" rather than left-wing per se?

    In any case, great idea and it's about time!

    •  The Right's definition of "left-wing" (none / 0)

      means "centrist" when applied to politics, and "truth-telling" when applied to media.

      And I think that's how it's being used here.

      (Let me check my Repug Newspeak Dictionary and my Conservative Talking Points Handbook to be sure.)

      America: It's a good IDEA for a country ...

      by Tony Seybert on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 11:01:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I think a better idea (4.00 / 2)

    might be to instead just wait until the GOP completely strips PBS of all of it's content and funding, and then we could just buy it out of bankruptcy.  Hell, it's halfway there already.

    In all seriousness though, I do like the idea of a true global news network.  They should also look to Europe, Australia and New Zealand for content and funding since so much is not reported domestically by the MSM.  It would be great to shake things up a bit.

  •  this is going to be... (none / 0)

    a socialist news station.  I know people cringe when they hear the name socialist, but with Lapham, Klein, and the rest of the people I see involved in this we are going to see news for the working people.  Hopefully these folks have some focus when it comes to programming. Liberals have a habit of being all over the place with their choice of issues.  

    I prefer peace Wouldn't have to have one worldly possession But essentially I'm an animal So just what do I do with all the aggression?

    by jbou on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 09:19:38 PM PDT

    •  But Do They Have Any Prayer of Reaching (none / 0)

      working people?

      I hope someones are working on ways to package honest news and issues in some kinds of formats that will actually draw working class [and ethnic!] audiences.

      A 21st century news analogue of 60's Top 40 radio?

      I know, I'm dreaming.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 09:48:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It's planned to have... (none / 0)

        ...its own digital channel, in addition to online broadcasting:

        http://www.iwtnews.com/files/Onepager.pdf

        John McCain will end Roe v. Wade if he's president.

        by Phoenix Woman on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 05:36:50 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  To reach 25 million US homes (none / 0)

          Per the Tyee article:

          "If successful, IWTnews will have its own digital TV channels in Canada, the U.S. and other countries, and programming will be offered on its web site. Jay and his associates are negotiating with public and non-profit channels in North America, Europe and elsewhere to carry IWT programs. Link TV will carry IWT programming, ensuring that 25 million U.S. home will have access to IWT shows."

          John McCain will end Roe v. Wade if he's president.

          by Phoenix Woman on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 05:42:28 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Sounds good but... (none / 0)

          Those who are struggling to make ends meet cannot afford digital cable. I know with our cable company, there is basic and expanded cable and then there is there are the digital cable packages. They are pushing digital because few are buying it.
          Say basic expanded cable is rough 40 dollars a month ( that is what the majority around here have) ..they want up to 20 dollars extra a month for digital packages). Many people we NEED to reach cannot afford 60 dollars a month for cable. And Satellite, well those who have Satellite are telling me ( at least in my region ) that they get more choices but it gets costly as well.

          The one thing we know about the McCain campaign...is that they're very good at negative campaigns, they're not so good at governing- Barack Obama

          by wishingwell on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 09:05:24 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Hopefully (none / 0)

    it will be intelligent, as opposed to cerebral.
  •  I will subscribe. Where do I sign up? (none / 0)

    Corporate Media: Republicans are their base.

    by lecsmith on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 09:38:41 PM PDT

  •  This is great news! (none / 1)

    My family I spend our TV news time these days watching CSPAN, the Daily Show, the BBC, and RTE-TV (Ireland).

    This will be wonderful.

    This diary was the perfect antidote to the Michael Jackson telebinge today.

    I think American television and the American TV audience are terminally ill with O.J.itis - We crave the rush of murderers, missing children, pedophiles, and shows about lawyers, criminals, trauma rooms, or obsessive plastic surgery.

    It will be nice to have an alternative to all that fear-based propaganda.

    I'd love to see some real news rather than gleani

  •  Just contributed $25 (none / 0)

    Maybe George W Bush will be good for something afterall, galvanizing opposition to the neo-con agenda, corporate run media, traditional campaign financing, and a lot of the bs we've had to endure.  I am so jacked that IWT is coming.  It is something to which I will happily contribute on an on-going basis.  Same with Howard Dean.  We need an infrastructure in place not beholden to corporate interests.
  •  The Revolution will be televised (none / 1)

    Cool.

    America: It's a good IDEA for a country ...

    by Tony Seybert on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 11:02:41 PM PDT

  •  Pass it on! (none / 0)

      Get them some money NOW!   Make waves everybody!
  •  sounds like another trippi fiasco (none / 0)

    Sorry to be the pessimist, but how is $25 million supposed to do anything?  The major networks spend an order of magnitude more even though they cover very little actual news.  I don't think you can even hire a staff of 100 and expect to cover production costs at that amount.

    A gaffe in Washington is when you tell the truth and people act surprised.

    by hotshotxi on Mon Jun 13, 2005 at 11:12:16 PM PDT

  •  Wonderful, but (none / 0)

    didn't they say it will have it's own digital channel?  Am I wrong or is that the extended cable like 100's, 200's, and up?  How many people can afford the digital channels?  I can't.  This could only reach the well-to-do.  I mean, some of us don't even have basic cable.  If I'm wrong on this, please tell me!

    It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!

    by kathika on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 12:29:26 AM PDT

    •  Digital and Online (none / 0)

      But yes, I wish they did broadcast as well.

      Then again, this is probably why they can do this so cheaply:  Broadcast TV costs a TON of money.

      John McCain will end Roe v. Wade if he's president.

      by Phoenix Woman on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 05:38:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Also to be on Link TV (none / 0)

        Per the Tyee article:

        "If successful, IWTnews will have its own digital TV channels in Canada, the U.S. and other countries, and programming will be offered on its web site. Jay and his associates are negotiating with public and non-profit channels in North America, Europe and elsewhere to carry IWT programs. Link TV will carry IWT programming, ensuring that 25 million U.S. home will have access to IWT shows."

        John McCain will end Roe v. Wade if he's president.

        by Phoenix Woman on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 05:41:45 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Yes (none / 0)

      I agree. I mentioned in an above post that in most regions, digital cable is quite expensive. So then people who want more choices, switch to Satellite. That becomes a better deal till you look into that and find out each additional TV has its own extra fee and little charges abound. So some of us just have to settle for the basic cable package. ..no digital.

      The one thing we know about the McCain campaign...is that they're very good at negative campaigns, they're not so good at governing- Barack Obama

      by wishingwell on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 09:08:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Just gave 'em 50 large (none / 0)

    well okay, 50 small.

    I guess I'm an optimist. Maybe that's why I'm a liberal :-)

    Come see TV from the reality-based community at RealityBasedTV.com

    by MarkInSanFran on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 12:42:34 AM PDT

  •  All that liberal money that's funding PBS (none / 0)

    should be immediately transferred over to this station.

    I have a soft spot for NPR because of their local programming, but their national stuff is awful.

    Look at these people! They suck each other! They eat each other's saliva and dirt! -- Tsonga people of southern Africa on Europeans kissing.

    by upstate NY on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 04:53:36 AM PDT

  •  Sundance Channel (none / 0)

    If you can get it. DO. Not only do they have awesome (and yes, entertaining) documentaries but they have AL Franken's radio show. Whatever this venture does I hope they have entertainment and humor in mind. We have to appeal to more than our own kind.

    Let your hopes, not your hurts, shape your future.

    by philinmaine on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 05:24:54 AM PDT

  •  Howard Zinn is also on the Advisory Board. (none / 0)

    Count me in on IWT!
  •  Watch for the Bushies to try and ban... (none / 0)

    IWT. Not by outright censoring of course, but by working behind the scences to convince the likes of Comcast and other cable companies not to offer this new channel. This might work if they get started soon enough. It's not like there is likely to be hoards of people wanting this new channel at first, if so, the cable companies would have to offer it as soon as it became available. No, what could happen is that backroom deals could be made where cable companies get some nice new tax break or whatever...after that happened, they'd be feeling good about things and would simply not offer IWT.
    •  Great idea (none / 0)

      I feel like I am being too negative in this diary. And I am not a negative person on this blog ever.
      But the reality is, in some regions like mine, all new channels are added to an optional digital package that costs almost 20 dollars a month extra to purchase. That means my cable people would be roughly 60 dollars or more per month. Many people we need to reach are hurting economically and just get the basic cable which includes CNN, Fox News and MSNBC. And if new stations come along, they are not added to our regular cable..heaven forbid, they want us to have 3 shopping networks and 6 sports channels and everything else is extra that is NEW>

      The one thing we know about the McCain campaign...is that they're very good at negative campaigns, they're not so good at governing- Barack Obama

      by wishingwell on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 09:11:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Drop "left-wing" and "CNN" (3.50 / 2)

    ...from the discusion. I understand what you're trying to say, and the analogies fit, but...

    Seems to me what we are all hoping for is a real, accurate and independent news source, not a left-wing counterweight to CNN and the rest of the American toady propagandists. The truth will really set us free in this case, and the truth has no allegiance to politics or political parties.

    Which means there will be some stories that cast a less-than-flattering light on some individuals, decisions and policies coming from the left. But we want to create a culture that embraces the ideas of the left because they are the right values, and they reflect the truth, not because we all have a vested interest in them.

    This is terrific news, and regardless of how we "spin" it, the right-wing will surely call it a left-wing propaganda tool anyway. But they don't need our help.

    -8.38, -4.97 "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

    by thingamabob on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 06:47:19 AM PDT

    •  News. I just want news. Now, rather than later. (none / 0)

      In the mid-90's a local WNYC talk show host asked what things his listeners missed.

      I actually experienced a physical pang in my gut as I realized how much I missed news that was presented as news, not as someone's insider analysis. Back then, I still had hope for the NYTimes (such hope since abandoned) and recalled there was a time when a story opened with most of the 5W's; then, it became important to provide "analysis" and the stories almost became more about the reporter. Such beautiful writing to set the scene. How cool to be an insider. How cool to snark at the newsmaker.

      So, give me reality-based news and I will swoon with joy.

  •  FYI not current strategists (none / 0)

    This comment from the IWT statement:

    Jay has brought on board key strategists from the Howard Dean presidential campaign who were astonishingly successful in raising millions of dollars in small amounts over the Internet.

    Sort of answers this comment by you:

    The article doesnt really state if they are former or current strategists...

    Given that his presidential campaign is over these folks are now former strategists (not saying they may not become future strategists). To my knowledge they are also not directly assisting the DNC which Dr. Dean now chairs.

  •  A horrible idea (none / 0)


    By creating a left wing television station we legitimize right wing stations and the politicization of news in general.  If we go down this path our children will look back with the utmost regret on this decision.

    This is a lovely thing but completely wrong.  We need to retake control of congress and reempower the FCC to ensure that stations DON'T lie, that they SERVE the public's interest, and that they ARE owned locally.

    I am sure I am a lone voice in the wilderness on this one but I adamantly believe this is a really bad move.

    Want to watch Republican economic theories in action? Look at Iraq.

    by Michaelpb on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 07:50:21 AM PDT

  •  One name missing. (none / 0)

    Moyers.  
    Still, finally something to cheer about.

    The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

    by Lords on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 07:52:34 AM PDT

  •  "Howard Zinn" (none / 0)

    Is the only name you needed to say for me. As soon as I get paid Friday, in goes my $50.

    "When we are all guilty that will be democracy." -Albert Camus.

    by BrianL on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 08:18:15 AM PDT

  •  It Was Inevitable (none / 0)

    When America finally got its liberal TV media, it would come from Canada.

    Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Alanis Morrisett. Heck, just a few more crow flies, and they'd a had Bob Dylan, too.

  •  do both, do all, do it now,faux must die! (none / 0)

    may god have mercy on its soul.
  •  Spreading the word to other progressive blogs.. (none / 0)

    Hi guys:

    Wow.. my first diary in ages and it shoots up the recommend list in no time.. thanks for the props.

    I was just thining it might be a good idea to spread this news to other of your liberal/progressive brethren on the blogosphere. I'm not as well known on other US based prog blogs as some of you might.. so perhaps some of you could undertake the effort to let others of like-mind know.. because I dont doubt not everyone south of the 49th reads or has heard of the Tyee or this story :)

  •  Left Wing? (none / 0)

    I didn't notice that in the quotes you listed.

    It sounds like they want to be "fair and balanced" and an alternative to slanted news.

    Of course it is hard to find conservatives whose first objective is the truth.  So that would explain their need to rely on liberal and progressive brainpower.

    I hope they get their journalists and experts from a broader range than the current MSM. I am tired of somebody from the Cato Inst. being the "expert" on the economic effects of Bush policy.

    If they can pull it off it will not only be a miracle but a Godsend.

    •  If they're serious about their name ... (none / 0)

      the first word in their name is INTERNATIONAL ... if they do this right, we won't need to worry about any single nation's political view dominating ...

      Which pundit most resembles Ruby Rhod?

      by wystler on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 09:43:56 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I'm quoting the Tyees title of the article.. (none / 0)

      .. I presume they read who was on the advisory board and decided it was going to be left-wing (which suits them fine.. as they're left-wing themselves)
      •  I guess I was just being goofy (none / 0)

        I think it is interesting that what the "mission statement" of the group is to present news that is not adulterated.

        To put together this type of effort they are forced by the current political/social climate to turn to progressives and liberals.

        There are many ways to look at this but two that strike me as funny.

        First. When did "truth" become left wing? I admit progressives and liberals are closer to caring about  what is true now than their counterparts in the  traditionalist and conservative movements but I liked it better when the truth was just, you know, the truth.

        Second. Why is there no group of conservatives that want an unfiltered global news source? This is similar to the first point, but have they completly given up on debate and dialog? Are  they so smug as to find contentment in their own faith. Has conservaatism become a Faith?

        As a consumer I am happy that this news outlet is forming but I would be happier if they had more balance. The sad part is that I cannot think of a conservative group that would even come close to adding a voice to "conservatism."

        The current "so-called" conservative think-tanks are all in the pocket of some funding group that controls their focus. When was the last time that a conservative group slapped the Bush Administration? I think Pat Buchanon's group was opposed to the Iraq invasion until it became "open" policy. Now they go along like good patriots.

        Like a thread elsewhere on Kos about the blogs of right and left. It is not current conservative political nature to have debate or dialog.

  •  I Guess I'm Just Plain Evil (none / 0)

    I got to the 12th page of the IWT prospectus (pdf available at this spot), and suddenly, I couldn't help but think of this guy in this movie.

    Aw, Jeebus ...

    Which pundit most resembles Ruby Rhod?

    by wystler on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 09:41:43 AM PDT

  •  Maybe it would be more effective as P2P (none / 0)

    IMHO, podcasting et al are TV and radio's answer to the blog. I saw this on slashdot, and wonder - could this work?

    http://actlab.tv/

    is P2P television. Because quite honestly, I don't want Howard Dean or Amy Goodman telling me what to think either. But I'd probably tune in and download if they had a show (I already do, in fact: http://www.archive.org/audio/collection.php?collection=democracy_now)

    •  Yeah, but ... (none / 0)

      We don't need to close the deal with you, do we? You, and thousands like you, access DailyKos, GoogleNews, and countless other websources, and are not bamboozled by the likes of FOX, GE, TIMEWARNER, DISNEY or VIACOM.

      The goal here is to make it convenient for those who choose, for whatever reason, to not boot up and log in to get their information. Success requires basic cable and basic satellite.

      Which pundit most resembles Ruby Rhod?

      by wystler on Tue Jun 14, 2005 at 11:47:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It is critical to mainstream (none / 0)

        The concept of an international news outlet funded by small contributors is a good start. The closer the funding is to democratic the closer the reporting will be too. It is not a guarantee but it is much more likely to work out that way.

        And if you want to get news out you need to make information as available as possible and as convenient as possible.

        Podcasts, etc. are all well and good but they reach those who are informed--you get to control the "when" you listen but you have to "know" you want to listen and you have to have a computer/iPod/MP3 player.

        If there is something on the satellite or cable you might stumble across it or hear about it and tune in.

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