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Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:20:06 AM PST

First, I wanted to thank the DailyKos community for all of your work on the Downing Street Minutes issue. Yesterday was the direct result of your efforts and I hope you were proud. For more on my reaction to yesterday, visit my blog. I expect to announce some next steps in the coming days and you will be the first to know about them.

Second, unless I missed it, I hadn't seen much discussion here about today's Washington Post article about the hearing. I am very disappointed that this ridiculous article was the Post's only coverage of yesterday's events. Today, I wrote a letter to the Post outlining my objections to the piece, which I have attached below. If you share my views, I would suggest letting the Post know about it.

June 17, 2005

Mr. Michael Abramowitz, National Editor

Mr. Michael Getler, Ombudsman

Mr. Dana Milbank

The Washington Post

1150 15th Street, NW

Washington, D.C. 20071

Dear Sirs:

I write to express my profound disappointment with Dana Milbank's June 17 report, "Democrats Play House to Rally Against the War," which purports to describe a Democratic hearing I chaired in the Capitol yesterday. In sum, the piece cherry-picks some facts, manufactures others out of whole cloth, and does a disservice to some 30 members of Congress who persevered under difficult circumstances, not of our own making, to examine a very serious subject: whether the American people were deliberately misled in the lead up to war. The fact that this was the Post's only coverage of this event makes the journalistic shortcomings in this piece even more egregious.

In an inaccurate piece of reporting that typifies the article, Milbank implies that one of the obstacles the Members in the meeting have is that "only one" member has mentioned the Downing Street Minutes on the floor of either the House or Senate. This is not only incorrect but misleading. In fact, just yesterday, the Senate Democratic Leader, Harry Reid, mentioned it on the Senate floor. Senator Boxer talked at some length about it at the recent confirmation hearing for the Ambassador to Iraq. The House Democratic Leader, Nancy Pelosi, recently signed on to my letter, along with 121 other Democrats asking for answers about the memo. This information is not difficult to find either. For example, the Reid speech was the subject of an AP wire service report posted on the Washington Post website with the headline "Democrats Cite Downing Street Memo in Bolton Fight". Other similar mistakes, mischaracterizations and cheap shots are littered throughout the article.

The article begins with an especially mean and nasty tone, claiming that House Democrats "pretended" a small conference was the Judiciary Committee hearing room and deriding the decor of the room. Milbank fails to share with his readers one essential fact: the reason the hearing was held in that room, an important piece of context. Despite the fact that a number of other suitable rooms were available in the Capitol and House office buildings, Republicans declined my request for each and every one of them. Milbank could have written about the perseverance of many of my colleagues in the face of such adverse circumstances, but declined to do so. Milbank also ignores the critical fact picked up by the AP, CNN and other newsletters that at the very moment the hearing was scheduled to begin, the Republican Leadership scheduled an almost unprecedented number of 11 consecutive floor votes, making it next to impossible for most Members to participate in the first hour and one half of the hearing.</p? <p>In what can only be described as a deliberate effort to discredit the entire hearing, Milbank quotes one of the witnesses as making an anti-semitic assertion and further describes anti-semitic literature that was being handed out in the overflow room for the event. First, let me be clear: I consider myself to be friend and supporter of Israel and there were a number of other staunchly pro-Israel members who were in attendance at the hearing. I do not agree with, support, or condone any comments asserting Israeli control over U.S. policy, and I find any allegation that Israel is trying to dominate the world or had anything to do with the September 11 tragedy disgusting and offensive.

That said, to give such emphasis to 100 seconds of a 3 hour and five minute hearing that included the powerful and sad testimony (hardly mentioned by Milbank) of a woman who lost her son in the Iraq war and now feels lied to as a result of the Downing Street Minutes, is incredibly misleading. Many, many different pamphlets were being passed out at the overflow room, including pamphlets about getting out of the Iraq war and anti-Central American Free Trade Agreement, and it is puzzling why Milbank saw fit to only mention the one he did.

In a typically derisive and uninformed passage, Milbank makes much of other lawmakers calling me "Mr. Chairman" and says I liked it so much that I used "chairmanly phrases." Milbank may not know that I was the Chairman of the House Government Operations Committee from 1988 to 1994. By protocol and tradition in the House, once you have been a Chairman you are always referred to as such. Thus, there was nothing unusual about my being referred to as Mr. Chairman.

To administer his coup-de-grace, Milbank literally makes up another cheap shot that I "was having so much fun that [I] ignored aides' entreaties to end the session." This did not occur. None of my aides offered entreaties to end the session and I have no idea where Milbank gets that information. The hearing certainly ran longer than expected, but that was because so many Members of Congress persevered under very difficult circumstances to attend, and I thought - given that - the least I could do was allow them to say their piece. That is called courtesy, not "fun."

By the way, the "Downing Street Memo" is actually the minutes of a British cabinet meeting. In the meeting, British officials - having just met with their American counterparts - describe their discussions with such counterparts. I mention this because that basic piece of context, a simple description of the memo, is found nowhere in Milbank's article.

The fact that I and my fellow Democrats had to stuff a hearing into a room the size of a large closet to hold a hearing on an important issue shouldn't make us the object of ridicule. In my opinion, the ridicule should be placed in two places: first, at the feet of Republicans who are so afraid to discuss ideas and facts that they try to sabotage our efforts to do so; and second, on Dana Milbank and the Washington Post, who do not feel the need to give serious coverage on a serious hearing about a serious matter-whether more than 1700 Americans have died because of a deliberate lie. Milbank may disagree, but the Post certainly owed its readers some coverage of that viewpoint.

Sincerely,

John Conyers, Jr.

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  •  keep fighting the good fight, Mr. Conyers (4.00 / 52)

    we've got your back, and we're with you all the way.
    •  Yeah, what gnat said (4.00 / 7)

      Thank you Congressman.  We all watched your hearing with grateful relief to finally hear the truth spoken out loud by our Representatives.  

      What a shameful display by Rep. Sensenbrenner to deny you the use of an official hearing room.  And by the White House for denying a member of Congress access to the country's presidential residence.

      You have shown them for what they are - dishonest, arrogant, and frightened.  Your exemplary behavior is putting the shame to them - where it belongs.

      Like gnat said, we got your back.  With pleasure, sir.

      If conservatives had had their way we'd still be an English colony.

      by baba durag on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:38:40 AM PST

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    •  Yes, plus make this an OpEd for WP (4.00 / 8)

      ... and for other big papers ASAP. The people need to know and need to hear it.

      We have an illegal war of vanity spiralling out of control, recruitment problems, fiscal disaster and an administration bullheadedly obstructing desperately needed multilateral relief for Iraq.

      And the media position is that it's somehow rude or ridiculous to question the administration's lies and self-interests behind this worsening disaster.

      •  I agree (4.00 / 4)

        I also read the WaPo piece this morning and wondered if it was the same meeting I watched online through C-Span 3!

        I saw Milbank shuffling around the edges in the back, but assumed he was trying to get the facts for a thorough covering of the hearing.

        Apparently he resented having been "sent" to do this and has a grudge against the significance of the Downing Street Minutes and other related documents being covered.

        If WaPo dropped the ball early on regarding this issue, shouldn't they do everything to correct this behavior rather than smirking and begrudgingly doing a follow-up piece?

        Or is smirking about the facts now the standard model in Washington?

        •  The same smirking tone behind No WMDs here! (none / 1)

          Haw Haw Haw -- how delightful to share a laugh over the Boss's sham casus belli for a night before getting back to the shared work of duping the public.

          See, the Boss really is a regular guy like he and the media keep saying.

          •  Disrespectful. (4.00 / 8)

            Remember this when, next time you hear a winger whinging about how we must respect the office of the president.

            Remember how this reporter in this newspaper was allowed to go to press with such tripe as would have the wingers marching in the streets should this have been directed against a Republican minority leader.

            No mention of the ridiculous number of votes scheduled during the time of the hearing.

            No mention of the outrageous behavior of Rep. Assenbrenner.

            No sign of even the slightest sign of respect and compassion for the families of the fallen in attendance.

            Just a cute romp in the park for this guy, a reason to have a bit of fun on the backs of people who are the primary "benificiaries" of BushCo's enlightened policies.

            Shame on you, Mr. Milbank. Karma will catch up with you, of that I am assured.

        •  Milbank avoided the issues (4.00 / 15)

          Although discussed in the DSM meeting yesterday, Milbank's article did not mention...

          1. the yellow cake BS
          2. the aluminum tubes BS
          3. the prior redaction of yellow cake BS from admin speeches
          4. the review of the timeline discussed
          5. US+UK gov't meetings just prior to the 2002 memo
          6. the stature of the UK rep who wrote the minutes
          7. the unprecedented visits by Cheney to CIA HQ
          8. the outing of Wilson's wife
          9. the pre-war ramped up bombing from the 'no fly zone'
          10. the 2 other independent reports that found the yellowcake story was BS

          or anything else about this admin's cooking of the intel books.  

          Instead, he writes about flags falling over and table linens.  I am amazed.

          •  Milbank Likely Another Williams, Gallagher (4.00 / 3)

            Milbank definitely downplayed the damning evidence offered by Congressman Conyers and the others who testified, doing his best to instead undercut their efforts. But that's just more proof that his interests don't lie with honestly informing the American people.  

            Look at the guy's track record, after all; he's clearly a court-jester trying to distract from the shortcomings of the king and his men. He's likely on the covert BushCo. payroll, just like McManus, Gallagher, Williams, and those still unexposed but undoubtedly out there.

            So, in a way Mibank has done us a favor. He's reminding us that once the corrupt Bush and Neo-can cabals are fully exposed, we still need to flush out their minions in the media.

            "A popular government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce or tragedy"-- James Madison

            by Bad Cog on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:16:22 PM PST

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          •  Dana (none / 0)

            he's part of the spin campaign to reduce the seriousness of this meeting and these issues.

            I don't know how he can stand to shave this morning.

            •  because he gets to play the BIG MAN... (none / 0)

              that the prez has a cute little pet name for.

              In a culture where notoriety is valued over people's lives and reputations, having the prez know you is a big ego boost.

              Why blow it all by writing a messy, if accurate, article that few will read and even fewer will remember after watching Leno or some other such...

              Making the world a little better place can be fun.

              by gradinski chai on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 10:40:31 PM PST

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          •  I remember (4.00 / 2)

            Amy Goodman asking a rhetorical question on a panel with the Dlai Llama,"what would be different if we had a state media?"....What would be different?
          •  yellow cake stunt (none / 1)

            I keep seeing yellow cake in a number of your points. I think we should serve yellow cake at some events. I imagine getting napkins printed up (like they do for weddings). We could have mushroom clouds and quotes or some of these points on them as well. That might be an effective way to get the message out. Food can be a good way to get to people. The interesting approach might make it more memorable.
            •  What's really ironic (none / 0)

              is that there's uranium ore in the mountains of Iraq.  They didn't have to buy it from Africa.

              Of course, we don't want to talk about the mineral resources either because, along with the oil, water and land for military bases, those are supposed to be sold to outsiders for exploitation.

              How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

              by hannah on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 04:44:59 AM PST

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              •  That's the first I've heard that! (none / 0)

                Interesting. How much ore do they have? Enough to potentially refine?

                That would seemingly make the whole forged Niger yellowcake letter transparently ridiculous to any competent CIA analyst...

                "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

                by jbeach on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 11:40:57 AM PST

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        •  Milbank (4.00 / 3)

          Dana Milbank should be ashamed of himself. I suggest we ALL write LTE's. I can't believe WaPo allowed his biased mockery as "reporting"!!!
          •  The sneering tone of this latest WaPo screed ... (4.00 / 11)

            ... calls to mind the coverage of the massive world-wide marches to protest the upcoming invasion of Iraq that took place in February, 2003.  The Post assigned one of its "feature" writers, Joel Achenbach, who usually spends his time dispensing weary opinions about Starbucks or the latest dating techniques, to "cover" the march in Washington.  Predictably, the tone of the article was snide and condescending.  Two years later, it has been made manifestly clear that those millions of us who marched that day WERE RIGHT about Iraq and the Post and its buddies in the Bush administration WERE WRONG.  I suppose that the Post will never forgive Rep. Conyers and the rest of us for being right, and will continue to try to punish us by writing smarmy articles about us.

            Let's just see what the facts are two years from now, and who is sneering then.

          •  what I wrote (4.00 / 2)


            Dana Milbank's representation of what happened in Rep. Conyer's forum was hostile, nasty, condescending, and completely with out context.  It was terribly unfair and biased.

            It should really be an embarrassment to Milbank as a reporter or 'sketcher' or whatever the hell it is he does.  I'm sad that the Post editors allowed him to play apologist for the administration and allowed him to mock a representative of the people trying to do the people's business.  Where was the context?  How on earth could he write the nasty thing and not explain WHY Conyer's was in the little closet/hearing room in the first place?

            It's outrageous.  You really have gone too far.

            Any pretense of dispassionate observation is gone.  You are a stooge to power and the Washington elite.

            Thanks, 4th estate, for nothing.

        •  The MSM wants this buried (again) (none / 0)

          Chairman Conyers, thank you thank you thank you for doing your job! My thanks also go to the 30 other members of Congress that were able to extricate themselves from a purposefully overloaded schedule and attend. And thank you, Mr. Conyers for allowing the latecomers comments and questions. It was an enlightening forum.

          What bothers me greatly with the press is their refusal to attach any significance to the DSM. Both the NYTimes and the WaPo are derelict. We cannot let this issue get zeroed out. That's what's happening. It took them a month to report it and now they are sweeping it out the door.

          The president and his gang have lied to us, have distorted the truth, have misled us into a war that has devastated a country and killed over 1700 of our servicemen and perhaps more than 100,000 Iraqis.

          How can the press think that this is not important? And who are they to tell us it is not! This is a democracy, isn't it?

          Even Pollyanna would have a hard time being sunny about this administration.

          by vlogger on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:18:22 PM PST

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        •  WashPot is surprisingly inconsistent... (none / 1)

          Just today I found on Google News an editorial demanding an apology from Frist for his comments about Terri Schiavo on the Senate floor.

          "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they kill, there would be no more wars." - Abbie Hoffman

          by Jensequitur on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 09:04:10 PM PST

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          •  KewlKidsKlub doesn't like interference in (none / 0)

            individual medical decisions, be it end of life, contraception, herbal remedies, etc.

            In that they show a libertarian streak.

            But, Bush's war? Hip, hip, hooray!
            We support it all the way!
            Let others bleed, let others die.
            We are safe in KKK!

            •  Found this great bit on Republicans today... (none / 0)

              http://www.mikemalloy.net/archives/round_89.htm

              25 Rules for being a good Republican

              1. You have to believe that the nation's current 8-year prosperity was due to the work of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, but that yesterday's gas prices are all Clinton's fault.

              2. You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all on their own.

              3. You have to be against government programs, but expect Social Security and farm subsidy checks on time.

              4. You have to believe that government should stay out of people's lives, yet you want government to ban same-sex marriages and determine what your official language should be.

              5. You have to believe that pollution is ok, so long as it makes a profit.

              6. You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.

              7. You have to believe that only your own teenagers are still virgins.

              8. You have to believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about her own body, but that large multinational corporations should have no regulation or interference whatsoever.

              9. You believe Jesus loves you, and by the way, Jesus shares your hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and President Clinton.

              10. You have to believe that society is colorblind and growing up black in America doesn't diminish your opportunities, but you still won't vote for Alan Keyes.

              11. You have to believe that it was wise to allow Ken Starr to spend $50 million dollars to attack Clinton because no other U.S. presidents have ever been unfaithful to their wives.

              12. You have to believe that a waiting period for purchasing a handgun is bad because quick access to a new firearm is an important concern for all Americans.

              13. You have to believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex.

              14. You have to believe that the ACLU is bad because they defend the Constitution, while the NRA is good because they defend the Constitution.

              15. You have to believe that socialism hasn't worked anywhere, and that Europe doesn't exist.

              16. You have to believe the AIDS virus is not important enough to deserve federal funding proportionate to the resulting death rate and that the public doesn't need to be educated about it, because if we just ignore it, it will go away.

              17. You have to believe that biology teachers are corrupting the morals of 6th graders if they teach them the basics of human sexuality, but the Bible, which is full of sex and violence, is good reading.

              18. You have to believe that Chinese communist missiles have killed more Americans than handguns, alcohol, and tobacco.

              19. You have to believe that even though governments have supported the arts for 5000 years and that most of the great works of Renaissance art were paid for by governments, our government should shun any such support. After all, the rich can afford to buy their own and the poor don't need any.

              20. You have to believe that the lumber from the last one percent of old-growth U.S. forests is well worth the destruction of those forests and the extinction of the several species of plants and animals therein.

              21. You have to believe that we should forgive and pray for Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde, and Bob Livingston for their marital infidelities, but that bastard Clinton should have been convicted.

              22. You have to believe that 50,456,169 is more than 50,996,116.

              23. You have to believe that "having a mandate" is defined as "losing the popular vote."

              24. You have to believe a woman should be "pretty and in her place," unless she is a rightwing spokesperson or radio advice show hostess, in which case she should be "petty and in your face."

              25. You have to believe that even though you attack scientists and the "intellectual elite" as godless, and try to prevent their discoveries and theories from being discussed in the public schools, you should take advantage of their labors to extend your life and improve its quality.

              "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they kill, there would be no more wars." - Abbie Hoffman

              by Jensequitur on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 05:39:38 PM PST

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        •  My Theory (none / 0)

          I think that once any of these reporters start showing up on CNN, MSNBC, etc as "experts" they stop being journalists and become news personalities.  Once that happens they become more important than the story (as least in their own view).  They join the "cult of the talking head" and their objectivity is permanently undermined.  It becomes more important to play to the cable channel producers than to serve their readers.

          Newspapers such as the Washington Post should either prohibit their writers from appearing on news talk shows or they should fire them. To try to function in both of these roles dilutes a reporter's effectiveness and leads to the kind of sloppiness found in Milbank's article.

          We could all come up with a long list of people who fall into this category, all of them totally worthless anymore as print journalists, in my humble opinion.

          Congressman Conyers, if you want to run for President in 2008, you've got my vote.  

      •  If WaPo has put up such a deliberately (4.00 / 2)

        distorted Milbank political 'hit' piece against the first of  Rep Conyer's Downing St hearings, I doubt WaPO will be fair and permit the publication of Conyer's on-target rebuttal of the Milbank mis-report.

        The Bushco/Neocons want the matter to die a silent death, and will exert all influence to keep media outlets and so-called journalists  they have leverage over to misrepresent the meaning and import of these documents,  smother the efforts to wake up Americans to call for impeachment investigations of the Bush WH.

      •  The Minneapolis Star Tribune definitely (none / 1)

        seems in tune with this issue.  If no Michigan paper will run it as op-ed, you could send it to them.

        The Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy Office & Scotch Tape Shoppe: Meeting your conspiracy and adhesive needs with Jack and a Beck's back

        by blogpotato on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:18:44 PM PST

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      •  DANA MILBANK (none / 0)

        I have just read his column in the WP.He was downright obnoxious. And to pretend that he had no knowledge of the Sensenbrenner "forum" interruption.

        I didn't realize Milbank was such a fiend!

    •  Don't (none / 0)

      stop fighting for us, we are there every step of the way.

      Time to take our country back.

      AfterHoursStamper.com

      by SanJoseLady on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:38:27 PM PST

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    •  Congress members who signed? (none / 0)

      Does anyone know where to find a list of the Congress members who signed the letter?
    •  Kick ass and take names! n/t (none / 0)

    •  You're going to make a hell of an Attorney General (none / 0)

      Not before you chair the Judiciary Committee though ;-)

      -Hope never cost Corporate America a dime

      by DWCG on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:38:31 PM PST

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    •  You Speak For All Of Us Congressman Conyers! (4.00 / 3)

    •  Make media answer for yesterday and today (FAIR) (none / 0)

      See this 06/18/05 FAIR Media Advisory regarding the ludicrous media stance on the Downing Street Minutes. Or, if your connection is slow, jump to this excerpted version I posted on KOS.
  •  Thank you, thank you, thank you! (none / 0)

    Um, what else?

    Oh, right: Thank you!

    The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you.

    by skeptigal on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:26:12 AM PST

  •  Outstanding, Congressman C. (4.00 / 4)

    Dana Milbank should be ashamed.
  •  You, sir, are an American Hero (4.00 / 12)

    Thank you for your courage, leadership, and perseverance.  

    I had not seen the Post article, but it is outrageous.  It reads like something written by Matt Drudge rather than the respected national newspaper that made its reputation by breaking the Watergate scandal.

    I have personally bombarded everyone I know with requests to read the memos/minutes and to watch, tape, and pass along the video of the hearing. It was both heartbreaking and inspiring to see such seriousness, dignity  and courage displayed under such egregrious circumstances.  What a contrast to the dog-and-pony media stunts that Republicans have given us with the Schiavo case and the Gitmo "menu"!

    Sir, I will write the Post to express my outrage and I will continue to do everything I can to keep this story alive and to keep the pressure on the Bush Administration and the press.

    We KNOW we are on to something by the way they are reacting.  They and their allies have switched into full pit-bull attack mode.  This, for me, is proof that you have indeed found the smoking gun.

    Thank you sir for saving our republic.

    Dulce bellum inexpertis [War is sweet only to those who have no experience of it].

    by Fatherflot on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:30:06 AM PST

  •  A powerful rejoinder (4.00 / 5)

    From a great leader.

    Thank you Chairman Conyers, for all you have done for the cause of truth and justice: what many of us have always believed is the American Way.

    I wish there were a Wizard of Oz to give the GOP a heart, Democrats courage, and the media a brain.

    by Malacandra on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:31:26 AM PST

  •  Congressman (4.00 / 23)

    I am very worried about the greater implications of your not being allowed to conduct important business within the Capitol Building.

    To me it is an issue of overt disenfranchisement of the people whose voice you REPRESENT in Congress who also happen to OWN that building.

    Thank you for your persistence on the DSM and so many other important issues we face today.  

    For what it's worth you may have "my" approx. 1/280 millionth of the Capitol Building to pursue these critical questions.

     

    •  I am too (4.00 / 84)

      It is a very serious issue and a substantial attempt to silence Democrats in Congress and, in turn, the people we represent.
      •  Not just those you represent (4.00 / 4)

        It was an effort to silence the people, period.

        We've got your back.  Thank you for giving us hope; we need that.  

        Babe, you're just a wave, you're not the water. --Jimmie Dale Gilmore

        by rocketito on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:10:30 PM PST

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        •  Law on our side (4.00 / 2)

          it was definitly an effort to quiet people who voted
          against the war (read WH McClellen transcripts yesterday).

          don't worry..we will NOT be silenced.
          Voices tend to get louder as they grow
          and appear in mass to encircle the white house! :-)

          I was very proud yesterday.  The fact that we were
          "banished to the basement" only further proves their
          continuing efforts to hide the truth in the dark and make a
          mockery of Democracy to the benefit of their perverse agenda.

          The truth has it's own ring

      •  You make me SO PROUD... (4.00 / 14)

        to have been born in Detroit.

        And SO PROUD to be a Democrat. This is no small thing; with so many seemingly inept, cowardly, craven and/or compromised Democratic representatives in Congress, your emergence, along with that of your fellow patriots (Boxer et al) is INDESCRIBABLY encouraging.

        You speak for me, CHAIRMAN CONYERS. You and Howard Dean and Senator Boxer and Al Gore, among others -- but especially you four. You are the light at the end of our long, nightmarish national tunnel, so to speak.

        Bravo and thank you, a thousand times, thank you.

        •  and Rep. Slaughter - you guys are (4.00 / 2)

          the Justice League!

          I can't listen to Lanny Davis interviews unless he's constantly being drowned out by the sound of metal folding chairs. --Obfuscator

          by Alna Dem on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:05:40 PM PST

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        •  Right On MSO!!! (4.00 / 2)

          Does it count that I am from Dayton, Ohio (often called "Little Detroit" because of our huge GM plant?)

          Congressman Conyers, I watched the hearings on C-Span in the wee hours of this morning when I couldn't sleep.  I want to thank you for standing up to the tyranny, graft, and corruption that marks the current administration.  Since I live in Oklahoma and my elected officials are on the other side I just want to know one thing:  "Will you adopt me as a constituent?"

          "There is no dark side of the moon, really. Matter of fact, it's all dark."

          by BigOkie on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:15:26 PM PST

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      •  As I said before (none / 0)

        I wish I could pick you as my Representative. You just keep on fighting the good fight and we've got your back.

        Good Luck!

        ...and giv'em hell!!!!!!!!!

      •  Thank you, Sir (none / 0)

        Thank you for bring this serious matter to the forefront to START receiving the attention it deserves. Can the Post or anyone else explain why millions or Americians did not get the respect we deserve.
        Sir I respect you for what you have done, but Millivanilli pretends to be a newspaper reporter and does a poor job of faking and passing himself off as a reporter. You and the other Representatives are speaking for and representing MILLIONS of AMERICANS along with the hundreds of thousands of us who signed the petition and you and the other Representatives and MILLIONS of AMERICANS were disrespected and told that we don't count. The republican leadership spat on MILLIONS of AMERICANS yesterday when they refused to let this hearing take place in a hearing room of proper size that we deserved.
        Millivanilli falls into lockstep with the republican leadership and continues with the disrespect in trying to silence the questioning that MILLIONS of AMERICANS deserve of why the President of the United States LIED and led us into an illegal war. One must question the motives of a so-called reporter that tries to belittle the voices of MILLIONS of AMERICANS.
        Once again thank you Sir and the other members of Congress and the witnesses who are try to protect the Constitution and American.
      •  Thank you so much, sir (none / 0)

        I feel we now live in the Country of the Paronoid Schizophrenics, and you are one of the few leaders who sees what our country has become.  A thousand blessings upon you for fighting the good fight against such odds.  You do indeed speak for me, and for many more I know.
  •  Shame on on them (none / 1)

    Thanks, Congressman C.

    Letters, we write letters.....

    •  While you are writing those letters... (none / 0)

      ...Please send one to the Minneapolis Star Tribune (their reader's rep is probably a good person to start with).

      The Strib ran today's Milbank smear piece - not as an opinion column, but as a news story in their politics section.

      •  Please be nice to the Readers Rep there. (none / 1)

        I wrote to her a week ago about her column describing the evolution of the interest in the Downing STreet Memo at her paper. It was a fairly good article and I wanted to correct her impression that the liberal left letter-writers are "astroturfing her." She actually wrote a short letter back thanking me. I think she is listening, so don't abuse her.

        Halfway between reasonable and idiotic is not a political position I want to take.

        by lecsmith on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:02:13 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Fair enough (none / 1)

          I know people who have contacted her as well, and she has been pretty responsive to them.

          My understanding is that the new editor of the News department is a right-winger, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was driver behind this decision.

  •  The New York Times was only slightly better (none / 1)

    Rep. Conyers:

    Thanks so much for persevering under such difficult circumstances.  Please let us at Daily Kos know if you need anything else in order to move this issue.

    The New York Times had a misleading headline that didn't mention the fact that a hearing was held by members of Congress (I almost missed the article).  Then they lead with a paragraph that states that "opponents of the war held a hearing".  Not members of Congress.

    •  Maybe I'm just not as particular (4.00 / 15)

      But, while it wasn't the piece I would have written, I thought the Times piece was fair.
      •  it was somewhat fair (4.00 / 8)

        but it was somewhat misleading as well: the NYT piece implicitly suggested the Downing Street Minutes are a war/antiwar issue.

        They are NOT a war/antiwar issue: they are rather an issue about what legal, historical, ethical and contextual precedents are being set by allowing the President to cynically exaggerate the threat of another country (by manipulating intelligence) in order to invade it.

        Bush knew Iraq posed no immediate threat, but he lied about WMD to get his war anyway. This sets a horrible precedent for the future, and thus Bush must be held accountable for these lies and manipulations.

        •  It was indeed somewhat fair, (none / 1)

          but the header pissed me off.  I too almost blew by it, and wondered what got into SOMEONE'S freaking head at the Times.  Frankly, given the header, I WAS expecting something more like Milbank wrote....

          AND

          THANK YOU MR. CONYERS!  YOU ARE AN AMERICAN HERO!

          -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke

          by caseynm on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:32:38 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  While searching for coverage of this HISTORIC (none / 1)

            HEARING last night on the cable news channels, I came across the blonde on MSNBC (Alexis?) who was substituting for Keith Olbermann, speaking to a WaPo rep who was busily dissing the DSM minutes, and regurgitating the SOS about them being old news, just like half of the Congresspeople who attended your HEARING brought up yesterday.  Sorry, I don't know the guy's name (not Milbanks tho), because I quit watching these shows after the (s)election.  With regard to ANYONE in the supine press, particularly WaPo saying something complimentary after being shamed so publicly yesterday, I just clicked it off in frustration and said to myself, "so what else would you expect?"

            Congressman Conyers, I simply cannot thank you enough! You are a true patriot, a man of courage and honor, and deserve the utmost respect and gratitude for standing up for the American people and our Constitution.  When so many of our Congressmen/women (not mine-Boxer!) have seemingly abandoned our party, or buckled under media pressure, or for a variety of unacceptable reasons, you have stayed the course and fought for us, despite media attacks or bullying from the right!  I will gratefully continue to support you any way I can, including financial contributions from time to time to help fund this monumental effort.  No doubt all of these investigations are costly, (going far beyond the normal Congressional staff expenses) so I would also like to encourage everyone who can to give a few dollars here and there to the cause!  

            Finally and personally, Rep. Conyers, I want to thank you for restoring my hope and giving me the strength to keep up the fight along with you!
            Thank you, thank you, thank you!

            •  That was Jim VandeHei (none / 0)

              His comments were very dismissive.

              WITT:  And what`s it going to take to get these memos on the front page of the newspapers?  And do you think it should be there in that placement?

              VANDEHEI:  Right, I mean, I think that`s usually an editor`s judgment.  I think that there`s nothing else that`s going to come that`s from that memo.  We`ve seen the memo, we know the contents.  So I don`t think you`re going to see a lot more coverage of it, other than Democrats saying that there should be more focus on why we went to war, more focus on the fact that the president was relying on faulty weapons of mass destruction information.

              But I think a lot of that stuff was really hashed out in the elections.  A lot of people know that.

              Jim VandeHei on Countdown

              I wish KO was in the chair last night.

              •  GOD, that's infuriating (none / 0)

                At the same time he waves his hand and says there's no need to discuss the DSM, he reiterates the lies that the DSM exposes.  (President relied on faulty intelligence, not the President ginned up faulty intelligence)  

                That's the ticket, we'll bury and ignore the smoking gun, making sure to shove the lies once more prominently in the public's face

                Bastards, the lot of them

      •  Congressman, (none / 1)

        can I ask you please to make available a list of the 122 representatives who signed your letter? We have asked your contact and have looked everywhere... we get asked for this often... when you get a chance, it will help us in our efforts. Thank you.
  •  You are an American Hero (4.00 / 3)

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
  •  I've said it before (4.00 / 3)

    and I'll probably say it many more times before the next elections: Mr. Chairman, we need more representatives like you. Many more. The future of our democracy depends on it.

    Add my profound gratitude to what's being expressed here. Keep fighting the good fight -- you've got the grassroots with you.

    -6.00, -6.82

    "I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Meta4Life on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:37:10 AM PST

  •  WaPo E-mail addresses (none / 0)

    Can someone post the e-mail address for Millbank, the ombudsman, etc.

    This is just dreadful.  I also find it quite sinister.  I mean how wide is the consiracy to cover this up?

    Dulce bellum inexpertis [War is sweet only to those who have no experience of it].

    by Fatherflot on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:39:21 AM PST

    •  addresses (4.00 / 4)

      Michael Getler
      ombudsman@washpost.com

      Dana Milbank
      milbankd@washpost.com
      National staff writer

      Or, they can be reached at (202) 334-7582,
      or
      c/o The Washington Post
      1150 15th Street, N.W.
      Washington, D.C., 20071

      •  a little late... (none / 1)

        but if anyone hasn't written yet and wants to, send it to all 3. Even a short note is worth sending just to let them know our numbers!

        Michael Abramowitz, WaPo National Editor - abramowitz@washpost.com

        Michael Getler, WaPo Ombudsman - ombudsman@washpost.com

        Dana Milbank, WaPo "Journalist" - milbankd@washpost.com

        Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right. --Hunter/Garcia

        by jen on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 07:31:16 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Thanks jen. Done. (none / 0)

          I've written two emails.

          And I couldn't be prouder Rep. Conyers; also very much moved when I see that picture of you standing at the White  House gate.

          Take care and God bless you.

          "conservatives are the worshipers of dead radicals".

          by gandalf on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 12:34:19 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  I just sent this... (none / 1)

        to Getler:

        Dear Mr. Getler,

        I am writing to you to express my profound disagreement with a piece written by Dana Milbank the other day concerning the Downing Street Minutes. Having watched the full coverage of the DSM hearings on CSPAN3 from my desk, I am absolutely appalled by Mr. Milbank's article and cannot, for the life of me, figure out how he could have been watching the same proceedings that I was.

        The hearings are being held because actual, authentic, legal minutes of meeting between US and Britain state that the United States was cherry-picking intelligence to justify a war on Iraq. If I must draw the connection for you, this means that we illegally invaded a country because of a LIE. During the second term of his presidency, Clinton was impeached for lying about a blow-job. How does lying to start a war get a free pass from you people? Now, as a result of this lie, 1700 American troops and countless Iraqis are dead, and our country is embroiled in a quagmire from which we will not be extricated anytime soon. Our military is bogged down and stretched thin.

        Instead of focusing on these points, Mr. Milbank decided to turn the article into a complete belittlement of Conyers and his efforts. Is he one of the reporters on the White House's payroll? I'm just asking... because the tactic of attacking and discrediting the messanger is completely Rove-ian in nature.

        In the future, I suggest that you get your coverage on this event straight. There was a time when the Washington Post had great journalistic integrity, and it worked for the truth. After reading this article, it is grotesquely apparant to me that that time is long past. As a result, our troops will continue to die for George W. Bush's LIE. Why, oh why, does your paper hate our troops so much?

    •  another link (none / 1)

      You can follow this linkto find out how to send the WaPo a letter to the editor either via email or standard mail. I don't know how long the link will work, but it's good right now.

      Homeland: as in Bantustan, or as in home of the brave and land of the free?

      by homeland observer on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:04:09 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Thanks for the link (none / 0)

        Sent a quick letter (if I wait I tend to forget):

        That was an awful article Milbank wrote about the rally at the White House. He didn't check his facts. The room was the best one that they could get.

        The letter had over a half MILLION signatures (one was mine) on it! That piece of garbage was the best you could print about it?

        There were over a HUNDRED signatures of members of congress. Don't you think it was worthy of a decent story?

        You must be a real bunch of gutless wonders to keep covering up for the corruption in our present administration. Don't you care about our country?

        One disgusted reader and former subscriber of your pitiful excuse for a news source,

        "Blessed are the Peacemakers" - Jesus

        by SisTwo on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:37:35 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Dana (none / 1)

      I wonder if the papers realize that in
      mocking dissent,
      and encouraging, enabling a possibly
      illegal war and war crimes,
      that they may be seen as an
      accomplice in these acts?

      I would suggest saving all of
      Dana's articles supportive of the
      "cabal" for historical purposes!

    •  Here's a link with comprehensive contact (none / 0)

      info:

      Washington Post Contact Information

      This has clickable, alphabetized links to reporters' contact information.

      Halfway between reasonable and idiotic is not a political position I want to take.

      by lecsmith on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:07:22 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Thank you, Mr. Chairman! (none / 0)

    Your letter is excellent.  They should be ashamed.  I'll send an email off to them also when I get home.

    I watched the hearing yesterday and was so proud of all of you and thankful that we have you!

    It is very sad, too, to see the Washington Post decline from the Woodstein days into the piece of crap it has become.

  •  Arright, arright fine. (4.00 / 6)

    You had me at "Dear Sirs".  I'm now officially a huge Conyers fan.  You've been everything I grew up believing our elected officials should be.  I didn't want to get all goopy, but it's true.  Thanks for all you've been doing.

    Anything you need, I'm on it.

  •  The media (none / 0)

    Does anyone know if Nightline made it there, and if they are going to do a show on it?
  •  "playing House" vs. "playing (4.00 / 18)

    War" -- unbelievable, isn't it? That the Post would sneer that you and other Democratic Congressmembers were "playing House," when, in my opinion, the most damaging conclusion that can be drawn from all of this is that Bush invaded Iraq because he wanted to "play War."

    He wanted to dress up as "Commander in Chief," and have the adulation of the people, use the "political capital" from a victory in Iraq to get his agenda through, and have successful mid-term elections.

    the tragedy, of course, is that real Americans and Iraqis aren't playing, they're paying -- with their lives -- and even in "pretend land," rumors of victory are few and far between.

    •  Wasn't there a quote from 1999 (none / 1)

      in which Junior says he'll make his mark in history as a war president?
      •  I believe (none / 0)

        they are part of the recordings of the gentleman that was supposed to write a book on shrub.
      •  yes, quotes from ghost writer Mickey (none / 0)

        Herskowitz, who claims to have met then-Gov. Bush about 20 times in 1999, for the purpose of writing a biography -- he later got bounced from the project.

        here's one alleged direct quote from Bush: "`One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.'"

        more: "[Bush] said, `If I have a chance to invade....if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency.'"

        Here's the original source of the Herskowitz quotes, an October 2004 article by "independent journalist" Russ Baker: "Bush Wanted To Invade Iraq If Elected in 2000."

        you've got to scroll down a bit to find the Herskowitz section:

        http://heh.pl/&48

  •  Congressman Conyers, (4.00 / 8)

    My admiration for you is limitless. I watched the hearing on CSPAN-3 when it was on and later I watched it again on CSPAN-2 when it was replayed. Despite this unnecessary, horrible situation we are in with the war, there is something incredibly uplifting about hearing the truth spoken out loud. Yesterday was the first time I've really felt that the Bush administration would be held accountable for their dishonesty and incredibly bad judgement.

    Many, many, many thanks for bring this out in the open.

  •  You did a great job, Mr. Conyers (none / 1)

    persevere; we are with you.

    fouls, excesses and immoderate behavior are scored ZERO at Over the Line, Smokey!

    by seesdifferent on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:50:36 AM PST

  •  If only you were our President..thank you. n/t (none / 1)

  •  Bless you, Rep. Conyers... (none / 1)

    You're a hero.  Many thanks to you and everyone else who stood up for democracy and truth yesterday.

    And shame on Milbank and the Washington Post for their stunning lack of integrity.  Their reaction to the DSM and your hearings proves once and for all what disgraceful hacks they are.

    Fox "News" = Republican PRAVDA.

    by chumley on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:52:03 AM PST

  •  Thank you. (none / 0)

    Congressman, I am in awe of your courage and composure in the face of an amoral political machine.

    Alterius non sit qui suus esse potest. - Paracelsus

    by asterlil on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:52:05 AM PST

  •  Thank you (none / 0)

    I diaried on this earlier today and was outraged at this clown Millbank.
  •  Dana Milbank should be fired or exiled to Faux (none / 1)

    Don't be so afraid of dying that you forget to live. "Sometimes you gotta roll the hard six." - Adama

    by LionelEHutz on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:52:28 AM PST

  •  you ARE the best... (none / 1)

    as frustrating as it must be for you, we all commend you on continuing to fight for all of us.
    thank you!
  •  who do we contact at the WaPo? (none / 0)

    does someone have the link? address?

    fouls, excesses and immoderate behavior are scored ZERO at Over the Line, Smokey!

    by seesdifferent on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:54:27 AM PST

  •  The time has come. . . (none / 1)

    For some leading Democrat to define the MSM for who and what they truly are.  Whores.

    To be noticed nowadays one needs to be controversial. So be controversial, only speak the truth.  

    Someone needs to say that the MSN have abdicated they duty and they have betrayed the people's trust. They no longer inform, they represent and promote the views of their corporate masters.  And so, to this extent the American people are no longer being served by the MSN.  It explains their dismal performance in the run-up to war, after all, their corporate masters stood to reap millions from the war; it explains why they ignore the Downing Street Minutes, and a host of other pertinent issues of the day. We will not have a free, independent and balanced press until corporations are banned from controling our media.

  •  On Dana Milbank (none / 1)

    From the Daily Howler's incomparable archives (9/17/99):
    In the current TNR, Milbank continues his practice of overtly sexualizing all the major hopefuls. His victim this week is George W. Bush, who is the governor of Texas--elected by 69% of the voters--and the GOP's leading White House contender. Before long, he may be president of the United States. So who better to portray in this manner:

    MILBANK (9/27, first paragraph): This is, perhaps, the wrong forum for the deeply personal revelation I am about to make...[H]ere goes. For six months, I have been engaged in an intimate relationship with George W. Bush. It is an inappropriate relationship. In fact, it is wrong.

    In paragraph two, the droll scribe assures us that he hasn't had "sexual relations" with Bush. "But it must be said that Mr. Bush has been touching me in an inappropriate way." He goes on to tell us that Bush has "touched me in a hotel room," and "has touched me in the most intimate of places." "He makes me feel cheap," Milbank says. (We find that part especially hard to believe.)

    Milbank continues with an extended metaphor, which draws on the humor of child sex abuse--all the while constructing images of Bush as a sex abuser:

    MILBANK (9/27): Each time, I wait with dread as he approaches me and reaches right for my (this is embarrassing--do you mind if I say it with my eyes closed?) hand. Sure, some would call this a handshake. But, to me, it is contact with the intent to arouse my desire for an interview--only so he can frustrate me by saying no.

    There's more, but we'll spare you the details.

    You might be surprised to learn that TNR thinks child sex abuse begs for humorous treatment, and thinks these images are an appropriate way to picture an important public figure. But Milbank's current, stomach-turning column is just his latest frolic. Over the past few months, Milbank has authored a string of pieces which picture hopefuls in intimate postures. The child abuse gag is his greatest work yet, but it's hardly how Milbank began.


    MUCH more here.
    •  The incomparable archives at the Daily Howler (none / 0)

      ...are indispensable!

      It's an invaluable resource for looking up the long foppish history of these clowns that masquerade as journalists.

      Someone should go the next step and make up profiles on all these goofs, with links to their most ridiculous statements!  Maybe me if I can find the time...

      •  Fop-o-meter (4.00 / 2)

        Alright, I just had an idea...

        How about we maintain a Fop-o-meter for every major journalist!

        When it hits the top we inundate their editor with letters of complaint, and just make as much noise as possible focused on that one journalist.

        It's time to think of better ways to take control of the MSM.  How to leverage more pressure... humor is an excellent tool I'm thinking.

        Fop of the week?

    •  That's weird. I love Daily Howler. (none / 0)

      Halfway between reasonable and idiotic is not a political position I want to take.

      by lecsmith on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:10:17 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  You. Da. Man. (4.00 / 2)

    Seriously, you are renewing hope in me that perhaps American democracy will survive the Bush Junta onslaught.  In the rankings of brave, honest, true American heroes living here and now, you sir are #1.  

    Don't stop.  

    I will follow you into the pits of hell (if it comes to that...) to fight for the real merican values.  

    You are an inspiration to us all.  

    When do we take up arms?

    by Billy Shears on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:55:23 AM PST

  •  MSNBC's Coast to Coast (none / 1)

    Is covering DSM for the whole hour today. FYI, I saw it on the website...

    "I love you back." - Barack Obama

    by jbalazs on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:57:51 AM PST

  •  speechless (none / 0)

    wow.  thank you, thank you, thank you.
  •  thankyou (none / 0)

    for all your efforts, and delivering the outrage of over a half million citizens (mine included), to the gates of hell.

    if ron reagan dyed his hair, and i'm not sayin' he did, it was only to show his strength to the communists - hank hill

    by leif on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:02:08 PM PST

  •  Coast to coast (none / 0)

    5PM Eastern

    Ok
    What is Milbanks e-mail?

  •  Mr. Conyers, I managed to watch the whole (4.00 / 3)

    hearing online from over here in Italy, and I was enthralled and proud.

    In your letter you mention this point, which I had also noticed:

    "was having so much fun that [I] ignored aides' entreaties to end the session."

    I may be mistaken, because I did not watch it a second time, but actually, at one point it seemed to me that you were about to end the session several times, but there were more people who wished to speak, including the relatives of soldiers who had lost their lives. I remember you then specifically asking if there was anyone else left who wanted to say something (my paraphrasing, of course).

    Am I correct?

    If so, I wonder what it is that Dana Milbank was watching (and where he has been these past few weeks), or else what he was doing at the same time as he was watching, since it was obviously distracting his attention.

    "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

    by Donna in Rome on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:03:15 PM PST

  •  An even better response (none / 0)

    Just thank you John Conyers.

    I hope your that your son(s) will run for public office as well.

    I'm proud to have you fighting for us.

  •  EMAIL CONTACTS (none / 0)

    FROM OLINDA above:

    Michael Getler
    ombudsman@washpost.com
    Dana Milbank
    milbankd@washpost.com
    National staff writer

    Or, they can be reached at (202) 334-7582,
    or
    c/o The Washington Post
    1150 15th Street, N.W.
    Washington, D.C., 20071

  •  Well done, Mr. Chairman (none / 0)

    I guess you'll be getting an apology from Millbank any minute. Well...

    Today's Special: Chickenhawk, slow-baked in its mother's basement.

    by Earl on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:05:36 PM PST

  •  I forgot (none / 0)

    to thank you Rep Conyers
    I have watched the hearing twice now and am more impressed at each viewing.

    I do find it poignant that, the basement room, crammed in and harried and many of the people present were African American. Dont they have any respect

    •  African Americans (none / 1)

      are the new Fore-Fathers, the ones still with a sense of the spirit and fire of Liberty and not entitlement and privaledge...I hope to God that they save the rest of us and our country.

      "Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people." - Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1821

      by Jeffersonian Democrat on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:37:00 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  My response to Globe report: (4.00 / 9)

    Dear Editor:

    Your report on the House Forum concerning the Minutes from a British Prime Minister's meeting with his cabinet in July of 2002 was woefully incomplete.

    First of all, it failed to mention that the reason Representative Conyers could only host a forum, rather than a normal hearing, is because the Republican majority chairs ALL committees and the Republican chairs refuse to hold hearing that might call this Administration to account.  Most citizens probably didn't realize that by electing Republican representatives they were getting rid of the checks we rely on the get the truth and your reporting is doing nothing to let them know.

    Secondly, your report failed to point out that the language in the document makes quite clear that information provided to prove Iraq's bad intent was actually being made up, rather than collected  by the responsible agencies.

    Finally, by concluding with the simple assertion that Blair and Bush are disputing the accuracy of the information in the Minutes, you fail to make the point that it's rather peculiar for the participants in a meeting to question the accuracy of the Minutes three years after they were prepared and, presumably, accepted as accurate.  The time to dispute them was in July of 2002 and if, in fact, they were "corrected" then, there should be a document showing that available as well.  After all, we're not considering the jottings on the edge of someone blotter or a notation in a palm pilot.

    It would also have been nice if your report had made mention of the fact that the decisions described in the Minutes were followed up two months later by an intensive bombing campaign by British and American forces in which a hundred planes were launched at a time to begin the destruction of Iraq.  If the decision to go to war hadn't already been made, why did they do that?

    How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

    by hannah on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:06:17 PM PST

  •  Thank you, thank you, thank you (none / 0)

    In another thread this morning we were just talking about the fact that the CBC and you in particular are, indeed, our conscience; you speak for so many of us, regardless of district or ethnicity.  

    You certainly represent me, and I'm so grateful for the manner in which you are doing so.  Thank you for fighting for our country, and for us.  

    Babe, you're just a wave, you're not the water. --Jimmie Dale Gilmore

    by rocketito on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:07:35 PM PST

  •  Congressman (none / 1)

    Can you get on Olbermann's Countdown (MSNBC) to talk about this?

    Or is Keith still on vacation?

  •  Milbank is a Hack (none / 0)

    <tinfoil hat> He's also a member of Yale's Skull & Bones </tinfoil hat>
  •  Would you please (4.00 / 2)

    be our President?

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

    by TracieLynn on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:09:13 PM PST

  •  In A State of Alarm about the DSM (4.00 / 5)

    Dear Congressman,

    You remember when we here at dKos were first aware of the Michael Smith Story, "RAF bombing raids tried to goad Saddam into war"

    That story was reported on the 29th of May, and was an integral piece of evidence in yesterday's hearing.

    What date, if ever, was this story reported in the US?

    NEVER !!

    Xenox News (satire), Australia - Jun 3, 2005
    ... on new evidence showing that "The RAF and US ... defend itself from a foreign attack: bombing Iraq's air defenses ... Press report noted in November 2002, "Those costly ...

    The Smoking Bullet in the Smoking Gun
    Common Dreams, ME - Jun 3, 2005
    ... on new evidence showing that "The RAF and US ... defend itself from a foreign attack: bombing Iraq's air defenses ... Press report noted in November 2002, "Those costly ...

    A Public Secret
    Iraq Occupation Watch, CA - Jun 2, 2005
    ... on new evidence showing that "The RAF and US ... defend itself from a foreign attack: bombing Iraq's air defenses ... Press report noted in November 2002, "Those costly ...

    RAF bombing raids tried to goad Saddam into war
    Infoshop News - May 31, 2005
    THE RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an ...

    Smoking Bullet in the Smoking Gun?
    uruknet.info, Italy - May 29, 2005
    ... 1) Did the RAF and the United States military increase the rate that they were dropping bombs in Iraq in 2002? ... any such increase in the rate of bombing in Iraq ...

    RAF bombing raids tried to goad Saddam into war
    uruknet.info, Italy - May 29, 2005
    May 29, 2005 - THE RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving ...

    US and RAF bombing raids on Iraq
    Questions and Observations - May 29, 2005
    It's remarkable what passes for news these days: THE RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to ...
    US aircraft doubled bombing raids on Iraq in 2002 to provoke ...

    Collective Bellaciao, France - May 29, 2005
    THE RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an ...
    As new revelations surface in London, congressman readies new ...

    Raw Story, MA - May 29, 2005
    ... 1) Did the RAF and the United States military increase the rate that they ... was the justification for any such increase in the rate of bombing in Iraq at this ...

    RAF bombing raids tried to goad Saddam into war
    Times Online, UK - May 28, 2005
    THE RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an ...

    The war before the war
    New Statesman, UK - May 26, 2005
    ... British officials insist that no RAF aircraft opened ... when the Prime Minister discussed Iraq with President ... had retaliated against the bombing offensive, thus ...

    Now, as much as I like RAWSTORY, they cannot be considered the MSM.  The editors of this country are asleep at the wheel, and I don't need to ask who's driving.  

    I'm mad as hell and not going to FAKE it anymore !!

    •  I'm getting angrier and angrier here (none / 1)


      Congressman, I just got back from reading that tripe by Dana Millbank.  Does anybody remember on May 15th when Ombudsman Michael Getler said that the Downing Street Minutes was "journalistically mandatory?

      I have no idea what Millbank's problem is, but journalism is not it.

      I covered the same event from 3,500 miles away.  I had it on audio because video kicked out.  

      But I heard A Remarkable Turning Point In American History.

      I heard Rep. Shirley Jackson Lee apologize to Cindy Sheehan, in these words:

      "Mrs. Sheehan, I apologize on behalf of the Senate, the House and the Executive.  This nation owes you and aplogy, and to all those families who have lost loved ones in the war in Iraq."  Rep. Shirley Jackson Lee, June 17, 2005, to Cindy Sheehan, mother of Casey who was killed in Iraq war.

      Congressman, I'm mad enough to spit!  And that's a good thing, because when I'm spitting mad I start writing !!

      Wow, am I angry !!

  •  I think Ghandi spoke best on this. (4.00 / 9)

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they arrest you, then they fight you, then you win!"

    I hope we can do without the arrests, but we're definitely to the ridicule part...

    The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. - Sen. Edward M. Kennedy

    by Stymnus on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:11:15 PM PST

    •  No, we're still in the 'ignore' phase (none / 0)

      The first hearing to impeach president George Bush may have been relegated to a broom-closet, but it's getting harder to ignore the red-hot, smoking gun evidence of impeachable offenses committed by  Bush, Dick Cheney and their gang of co-conspirators.

      Problem is, the corporate news media is a full partner in this deceit, and if that "news" becomes clear to the American public, then it won't just be politicians who spend some time at the Graybar Hilton.

      Professional propagandists like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Rilley, Sean Hannity, etc, etc, have operated hand in hand with the Bush conspirators to dupe Congress and the American people about the lead-up to invading and occupying Iraq.  The talking heads at Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, their bosses (like Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes) and others are part of this conspiracy, and they should suffer legal consequences along with the Bushes and the congressional Republicans who ran this massive scam.

      Go, Rep. Conyers!

      Why is the Republican party pro-rape?

      by jimbo92107 on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:36:21 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Sir if I may be a little informal (none / 0)

    GO JOHNNY GO! GO!
  •  asdf (4.00 / 2)

    If you ever need someone to "Take a Bullet for ya Mr. Conyers, you can count on me!."

    Thanks for fighting for "The True Honor of American Democracy".

    I will also make a donation to help you continue your work.

  •  Milbank's column is meant to serve (3.92 / 14)

    a purpose beyond misinforming the public (which of course it does).  It is also meant to publicly humiliate and demean Conyers as a form of intimidation.  Think of the message - speak out and you too can be ridiculed in the Washington Post.

    We must show our support. We must contact the Washington Post and call them out on this outrage. We need to let Conyers and all the other brave Representatives know that we stand with them, and we will defend them against the ridicule.

    And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make. Lennon/McCartney

    by landrew on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:13:13 PM PST

  •  Thank You Congressman Conyers (4.00 / 2)

    Your courage and patriotism will go down in the history of our republic as the greatest acts since Cicero tried to save Rome.
  •  Congressman Conyers (none / 1)

    What is your take on the fact that thus far, President Clinton, currently on his book tour, has declined comment regarding DSM?

    Do you find it troubling, as I do, that the upper echelons of Democratic leadership seem to be taking a "Don't look back" stance regarding the DSM and actions taken in Iraq?

    •  Last night on Letterman (none / 1)

      Clinton didn't even know what it was! When Dave asked him about it he said, "What's that?"

      !!!!!!

      Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

      by bumblebums on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:26:45 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  He's heard of it (4.00 / 4)

        there was a palpable pause after Dave posed the question, then a laugh and a clearing of the throat as he thought of a delicate way to put his answer.
        I don't know when I've been more disappointed in someone as I was at Clinton last night.
        •  Agreed (none / 0)

          I saw it too, I couldn't get to sleep until 2:00AM after that one.

          Did you hear his comments about Barbara Bush (the elder) calling him "son". Drudge had a link to a yahoo (I think) news article quoting him directly. To paraphrase, he was quoted as saying the family was so desperate to have another President in the family that they were taking him in as a "black sheep". Anyone else read that? It was on Drudge about lunchtime EST. PUKE - doesn't he get it? This ain't no fooling around anymore.

    •  I think it has to do with one president not (4.00 / 2)

      commenting negatively on another president. I think he is trying to  keep above the fray. I hope this is the reason.

      Halfway between reasonable and idiotic is not a political position I want to take.

      by lecsmith on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:57:23 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Depends on what you mean by licking bush... (none / 0)

        Am I gonna fight him, or lie down with him? You be the judge; I'm just here to have fun, ho ho ho. Its much more likely about speaking fees, keeping all options open for the future, leaving the road ahead clear of difficult hurdles. Narcisists like clinton and milbank don't give a damn about the honor of the presidency. Hope springs eternal, but....

        Live Free or Die Bold

        by vetfordean on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:24:38 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I admit I am not entirely comfortable with (none / 0)

          it. I think Bill has this personal need to have the Bushes like him. Why is Newt saying relatively kind things about Hillary? Is it a trick, or have they decided that the Clintons will be allowed into the "circle of power"? I am only half kidding.

          Halfway between reasonable and idiotic is not a political position I want to take.

          by lecsmith on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:31:51 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  We can mourn the passing (4.00 / 4)

        of Bill Clinton's administration, but we should not ask him to jump into this frothing sea full of rightwing sharks and punch them in the mouth.

        Clinton is old, ailing and he has made his deal with the Republicans.  He refuses to fight with them, and in return they have called off their attack machine.  Notice that Fox and the other echo chambers don't talk about Bill much anymore?  Bill Clinton's a non-factor, an elder statesman, and that's fine with him.

        The job of getting rid of George Bush and his gang of thieves belongs to the rest of us.  We must not take on this burden grudgingly; rather, we must sieze upon it with gusto and attack, attack, attack!  We must find the right words, the iron will and the ways to get the message out about this enormous, earth-shaking scandal.  Here's your fucking mushroom cloud, Dick Cheney!  Stick that up your Halliburton!  

        Let's do this for the American troops that Bush and Cheney sent to their deaths, all for lies, all for profit.  Let's do this for the troops that are coming home maimed, physically or emotionally, or both.  Let's do this for a hundred thousand Iraqis who would be alive today, were it not for the lies of these rightwing scum.

        Do not let the corporate media ignore Downing Street into nothing.  Instead, let us make "Downing Street" a phrase that pops out of everybody's mouth, all day, every day.  "Remember the Memo."  Build it into a public relations iceberg, vast and unstoppable.  Ignore it if you wish, but the Downing Street Iceberg will crush you nonetheless.

        "Downing Street. Heard about it?"
        "What's that?"
        "Ask around.  This could mean impeachment for Bush."

        Keep it up, mention it in emails, coffee shops, malls, on the phone with friends, to your neighbors.  It will require a concerted, prolonged world effort to unseat these Republican monsters from power, but let us not involve Bill Clinton.  He is like an old boxer who has taken off the gloves for good.  Let's just remember him fondly, and then, just this once, become our own champions.

        Why is the Republican party pro-rape?

        by jimbo92107 on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:19:36 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Pres. Clinton (4.00 / 3)

      I can't comment on others, but I have tremendous respect for President Clinton.  We would not be in this mess if he was still the commander in chief.  
  •  Thank you (none / 0)

    As I type this, Rep Mark Foley (R-FL) is making a one minute statement about the horror of the Runaway Bride profiting from her escapade. /snark Outrage, I tell you. Outrage!! /snark

    Perhaps Mr. Milbank does not recognize true outrage either.  Perhaps he should spend just one afternoon watching C-span.

    Thank you, Chairman Conyers.  And pass on our thanks to the other representatives who participated in yesterday's hearing.

  •  The beginning of the end (none / 0)

    of King George. That's what I saw on CSPAN yesterday. History will be so much kinder to you, Congressman Conyers, than to the thugs who forced your hearing into that tiny little room. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your perseverance.
  •  Heartened and Proud (none / 0)

    Thank you, Congressman Conyers, for reminding us what a beautiful and powerful thing democracy in America can be.
    Your actions and those of the other Representatives involved in our fight for truth inspire us to action.  
  •  Great work! (none / 0)

    That's a really fine letter, Mr. Conyers.  Please keep telling it like it is.
  •  Absolutely Outrageous (3.88 / 9)

    I will be drafting and sending some letters this weekend, and they will NOT be pretty.  I can't believe the condescending "Playing House".  What about bush "playing despot" and the msm "playing complicit".

    Mr. Conyers, you are a hero.  Thank God for representatives like you.  You and the few other reps fighting against this evil is all that is keeping me sane these days.  

  •  I live in Major Owens' district (none / 0)

    but I am proud that you speak for me, sir.  Thank you, thank you, a thousand times.
  •  You sir, (none / 0)

    are example number 1 of how one should conduct oneself while a member of congress.

    Thank you for your work, and this excellent letter.

  •  You made me proud, Congressman! (none / 0)

    It's beginning to look like you're getting under their skin, otherwise they wouldn't even bother acknowledging yesterday's forum.  

    Turn up the heat, sir.  We love you!  

  •  Thanks for keeping my hope alive. (none / 0)

    You and a handful of other Dems are the only people keeping me from giving up entirely in my own government.

    Sincerely,

    Lisa

    All Kossacks are my allies.

    by Boston to Salem on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:21:14 PM PST

  •  Bless Your Heart Mr. Chairman (4.00 / 8)

    Someone posted a link to Milbank's slur earlier today.  I was outraged to read what that slug had to say about your - no make that OUR hearings.  So I fired off the following note to the Post's editors...

    Dear Editor:

    I just read Mr. Milbank's article (Democrats Play House To Rally Against the War), and I must say that your paper has sunk to a new low by running such trash.  For one of your writers to make fun of a forum of elected Members of Congress... well it's just shameful.

    For the record, John Conyers is the ranking minority member of the House Judiciary Committee, and he and 34 other Members of Congress were forced to conduct their forum in that basement room in the Capitol because the Chairman of the committee refused to let them use the committee hearing room.  The Minority staff were put on notice recently by Sean McGlaughlin (deputy chief of staff for Sensenbrenner), that they would not be allowed to use the room now or in the future.  How petty can they get?  The Democrats have a right to conduct these forums, and even hearings to take testimony from witnesses on issues important to them and their constituents.  (It's called Rule 11, look it up).  122 Congressmen & women (who represent millions of Americans!) signed Conyers' letter to Bush, demanding answers.  Five hundred and sixty thousand of us also signed that letter.  We have a right to be heard!

    Bush ignores our requests for answers hoping this issue will go away, and all your writers can do is make fun of our elected officials for trying to get to the bottom of this mess.  Milbank owes Congressman Conyers a public apology.  He owes the half million Americans who signed Conyers' letter a public apology.  He owes the millions of Americans represented by those Congressmen & women a public apology.  He should be ashamed of himself - at the very least, he has one hell of a nerve calling himself a journalist.

    I beg of you - dump Milbank from your staff before he embarrasses your paper further.  And have Walter Pincus and Dan Froomkin do the reports on this important issue in the future.  They at least know what's going on in this town.

    Sincerely,

  •  Never trust a man (none / 0)

    named Dana (no matter how he says it's pronounced).

    "Make no mistake about it: We are At War now - with somebody - and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives"-- HST, 9/12/01

    by mraker on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:24:07 PM PST

  •  I dont write as well as many of you (4.00 / 19)

    but here is my letter.

    The meeting deserved your respect.

    Rep Conyers deserved your respect.

    I and so many others watched every minute of the hearing. The truth was being told in that cramped,basement room.

    The very fact that they were not given the respect of a real hearing room and were made to shuffle in and out of that small room while voting should speak volumes to the real story. the Republicans held down the truth.

    Isnt it sad that so many participants were African American. I would hope that equality had been achieved by now.

    The power grab by the Republicans and the disrespect should be story  enough.

    I signed the petition with the other 560,000 Americans Should we be dismissed also.

    The story told was powerful. that there may be evidence that our President led us to war that was planned long before he went to Congress. That the American people, whos Capitol they met in, were misled about the evidence. that the evidence was fixed around the policy.

    So you degraded and were rude,  as you demeaned all of us.

    You need to apologize
    Sincerely
    Sukey Pratt
    Greeneville TN

  •  This is outrageous! (4.00 / 3)

    I didn't have any traffic on this because I no longer read Wapo - this is an example of why.

    I find this outrageous.  I am overseas and stayed up late to watch the entire cspan thread on my laptop.  Sir, you, the witnesses, your colleagues, and the supporters made my heart warm and not afraid to say that I am proud to be an American again.

    This just means that we have to roll up our sleeves and have more work to do.  Sir, I awoke this morning to the pictures of you at the White House...it sent chills down my spine.

    Noble!  Sir, you have the air of nobility (not in a class sense) and honor and it came across in thos photos.  I have a feeling that those will be historic photos when this is all over.  The spirit of Patrick Henry lives!

    Thank you for using your position for what it was meant to be - a representation of the People.

    God bless you, sir

    "Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people." - Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1821

    by Jeffersonian Democrat on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:26:17 PM PST

    •  The picture of Conyers (none / 1)

      almost brings me to tears. The symbolism is great. The pain and pride I feel that is embodied in this man, this moment. So many emotions I just can't articulate right now.

      "conservatives are the worshipers of dead radicals".

      by gandalf on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 12:50:03 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Well done Congressman (none / 1)

    I heard it on CSPAN radio yesterday. Very powerful opening testimony.

    If you are ever chased from the capitol itself you could always reconvene at the Raleigh Tavern. There's a precedent.

  •  Good practice (none / 0)

    These hearings are great practice for what I trust will be your chairing a future Truth & Reconciliation Commission.
  •  Thank you, Congressman Conyers (4.00 / 4)

    Thank you for your service to our nation.

    The issue of media accountability is almost as grave as the issue of Presidential accountability. Those who characterize the revalations of the "Downing Street Minutes" as old news are trying to make the American people complicit in acts that are, in fact, the sole responsibility of the Executive branch. Until recently, many citizens and members of Congress have been operating under the assumption that they could believe what they heard from the President of the United States on matters of such fundamental importance as going to war. The American people have also expected that, if our news media became aware that this trust had been breached, they would inform us of that with headline news. We are working people who generally lack the time and resources to research and independently validate what we hear coming from the mouth of our President. We also do not have time to turn to page B-19 our our newspaper every day, nor do we expect to have to look there to find important news.

    We recognize this attempt to make us complicit for what it is, which is something so foul that it is difficult to name among decent folks. Indeed, I do not need to name it. The stench speaks in a way I cannot.

    Homeland: as in Bantustan, or as in home of the brave and land of the free?

    by homeland observer on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:28:30 PM PST

  •  DSM/Conyers Hearing story at GOPUSA (none / 0)

    Curiously, the story isn't what I expected. Outside of the title and the "bush-bashing" comment, it doesn't seem overly biased... Makes me kind of suspicious...

    http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/june/0617_antiwar_activists1.shtml

    "I love you back." - Barack Obama

    by jbalazs on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:30:16 PM PST

  •  Dana "we hardly knew ya" milbank (none / 1)

    Dear Congressman Conyers,

    first off THANK YOU for yesterday Sir...and as for Milbank's letter..it is featured on afterdownintgstreet.com with a link to milbanks email address..perhaps many people simply sent milbank an email from that link rather than hash it out first online :)  i know I did.

    "Republican 'truth' is undisturbed by actual Reality"

    by KnotIookin on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:31:29 PM PST

    •  I can't believe you said that (none / 1)

      You're telling Congressman Conyers (and the rest of us) to go to afterdowningstreet.org, click a button, and send an email complaint?!

      You're as belittling of Conyers efforts here to SHARE with his supporters, as Milbanks was to him in his article.

      And what makes you think we shouldn't be discussing it here, or anywhere else for that matter?

      Having said that, I sincerely hope I've misinterpreted what you just posted.

      ..Got to admit it's getting better...A little better all the time. ~ Beatles

      by Terre on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:04:05 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think you have (none / 0)

        misunderstood the GParent post... maybe you should hash it out online before you post it... oops, nevermind

        None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Goethe
        Heathbar's Crunch

        by Dr Seuss on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:29:14 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  huh???? (none / 0)

        chill out willya.

        I meant absolutely NO disrespect to Rep Conyers...i was merely explaining that the Milbank letter IS being discussed and answered on the net.

        if you are going to start becoming proprietary about which website gets the traffic or the debate, whats the point of growing a UNIFIED democratic grassroots <shrug>

        "Republican 'truth' is undisturbed by actual Reality"

        by KnotIookin on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:28:44 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I'm not sure why you didn't just post (none / 0)

          your entire email here, but I suppose you felt that the rest of your reply would show just how you really feel, huh?

          You are the one that brought up afterdowningstreet.org, not me. How am I being proprietary? I simply re-stated what you wrote, and also asked you to clarify if I misunderstood.

          Now that you've "explained" what you meant by " . . . rather than hash it out first online. . .", IMO I think that you could have re-worded it a bit differently?

          And because I won't dignify your email with a reply, let me just do it here. . .

          This JERK is a 51-year-old GROW[N] UP!

          ..Got to admit it's getting better...A little better all the time. ~ Beatles

          by Terre on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 06:13:48 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  That is what I did (none / 0)

      as well.  I was busy on a job and didn't have time to come here until tonight.

      Thanks again, Representative Conyers!  

  •  what I wrote to the Post (3.83 / 6)

    Thanks for everything Rep. Conyers, this one's for you and all the parents like Cindy Sheehan.

    CJ

    What I wrote to the Post:

    The Wash. Post coverage of the Downing Street Memo hearing on Thursday was so pathetic that it probably would have been better if you hadn't shown up at all like Fox News.  I read the Post every day online and expected much more from the Post, despite the paper's misunderstanding and ignorance regarding these minutes of an official government meeting.   Just as Woodward and Bernstein made a mistake when they incorrectly wrote that Hugh Sloan named Haldeman to the grand jury during the Watergate era, the Post has made a huge mistake in the current coverage of the Downing Street Memo.  Perhaps Ben Bradlee should have a talk with Dana Milbank as well.  Or at least Milbank should be encouraged to watch the scene in the film All the President's Men, where Jason Robards (as Bradlee) discourages the reporters from doing anything that stupid again.  If Milbank and the Post were covering this story from the beginning then it is unlikely something as important as the Downing Street Memo would be in such a small hearing room in the first place.  To make fun of it when the silence from the press is partly to blame is profane.  Publishing this letter by Rep. Conyers, who `chaired' the event would be a step in the right direction.  He has more accurate notes on what occurred at the historic and important event on Thursday.  The Washington Post indeed owes Cindy Sheehan and the thousands of other parents who have lost beloved children to at least print Rep. Conyers letter to the Post.  Perhaps you should consider inviting Rep. Conyers or the witnesses in the hearing to participate in a web chat or write guest editorials to begin to make up for the shameful coverage of what should have long ago been front page news every single day.

  •  Hmmmm (4.00 / 5)

    Isn't it interesting how our administration touts "democracy" in Iraq as it meanwhile squelches it at home?

    From a June 12th article in the NY Times:  

    "The Bush administration, seeking to close the continuing rift between Shiite and dissident Sunni Arab leaders in Iraq, is enlisting Europe, the Arab world and the United Nations to pressure the Baghdad government to include minorities in the political process, administration and other diplomats say."

    Wow!  Europe, the Arab world AND the U.N. That's a lot of arm twisting to help the minority in Iraq have a voice.

    Meanwhile our dissenting Congressmen and Congresswomen get stuffed into a closet, while the majority party schedules a simultaneous floor vote marathon.

  •  jesselee at the DCCC blog has more (3.00 / 4)

    Including pictures of the rowdy jew-hating rabble:

    The Stakeholder

    Ignorance is never random. - Gunnar Myrdal

    by ThomasAllen on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:34:52 PM PST

  •  Not surprising (none / 0)

    The Washington Post played a central role in lending validity to Bush's lies leading up to the war, so it is no surprise that they have his back now.

    Thank you for all you do Mr. Chairman.

    •  Actually (none / 0)

      The Post has been doing a pretty decent job of covering the DSM.  Walter Pincus had a piece on the front page on Sunday, pretty much following what the Sunday Trib had that same day.  He said they've verfied the authenticity of the 7 new documents.  Well done.

      The editor of the section dealing with politics (I forget his name) did a live chat last week and he sounded pretty reasonable in his repsonses to DSM questions.

      And Froomkin's column has been steadily covering this as well.

      Our outrage should be targeted at Milbank - not at the paper overall.  Remember - you get more flies with honey.  Milbank's an ass - we should urge the Post to dump his articles in the circular file while giving this story to Pincus to cover.

  •  Thank you Congressman Conyers (none / 0)

    Dear Congressman Conyers,

    We at America's Work Stories appreciate ALL of your hard work and dedication. You deserve a GREAT vacation after all of this BUSH CRIMIINAL bruhaha is overwith.

    America's Work Stories
    http://usaworkstories.blogspot.com
    usaworkstories@aol.com

    Senators Kerry & Edwards will win. They're seasoned attys. Kerry will pull us out of the H2O like he rescued the guy in Vietnam! I have faith

    by SeasonedHR on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:37:26 PM PST

  •  Thank you so much, Congressman Conyers! (none / 0)

    I watched yesterday's hearing twice, first online and then later on C-Span 2.

    I can't tell you how much your continued hard work and that of your honorable colleagues means to me.

    These months since the election, as the right-wing cabal took our country into a downward spiral, I felt both numb and despair.

    But yesterday, I saw a glimmer of hope. I saw a ray of sunshine attempting to break through the dark clouds.

    Thank you, sir, from the bottom of my heart. You and your colleagues and the panel of fine speakers gave me hope.

  •  Yes Sir! (none / 0)

    You, sir, are my hero, and I do what you ask!

    Keep fighting the good fight!  Read this diary for a little bit of encouragement.

    If they're all straight and narrow, I am going at a zigzag so as to not miss any of them.

    by FreeAtLast on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:39:40 PM PST

  •  Thank you for all that you have done. n/t (none / 0)

    Life is but a dream...

    by pabos on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:39:59 PM PST

  •  Why does Dana Millbank hate Murika?? (none / 0)

    N/T
  •  My .02 (none / 0)

    Thank you Congressman Conyers for your bravery and honesty.  Thank you also Congresswoman Barbara Lee for you efforts too.  

    Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official... ~Theodore Roosevelt

    by Pam from Calif on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:43:03 PM PST

  •  As Harry Reid might say, (none / 0)

    Millbank is a political hack.

    As I say, hoist him on his own petard.

    I'm sure your letter will be printed.  I'll have to take a cold shower before writing mine, so it might stand a chance of making it past the censors.

    The currents of the mind, in the shape of a heart... citisven

    by x on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:43:18 PM PST

  •  The Washington Post admits... (3.85 / 7)

    After the war in Iraq, Thomas Ricks of the Washington Post admitted the following:

    Administration assertions were on the front page. Things that challenged the administration were on A18 on Sunday or A24 on Monday. There was an attitude among editors: Look, we're going to war, why do we even worry about all this contrary stuff?

    So that's their official apology. Other editors of the Washington Post never wanted to apologize--and they probably take the DSM memo personally.  

    They knew or had reason to think the intelligence was being "fixed" around the policy at the time this memo was written...but implicitly supported the rush to war anyway.  Too bad we can't impeach a newspaper editor...

  •  Media Repression and Oppression (none / 0)

    Any questions I may have had about why this issue is so underreported have been answered by Graydon Carter in his editorial in the July issue of Vanity Fair.
     "And the intimidation, for the most part, works. Because what happened to CBS and Newsweek can scare the hell out of other news organizations and their employees."  And then there's this <hanky alert>:
    "One can only hope that, for the sake of the democracy, we have more Deep Throats in our immediate future."
       This is a must read. Please take note that Vanity Fair usually has so many adverts it is the size of a telephone book.  This issue is a pamphlet in size comparison.  This is what is happening to the brave journalists at VF who have done such good work exposing the corruption of this administration and this war.  Please go buy it to show your support of VF.
    •  There's a big difference between.. (none / 0)

      ... being intimidated into not reporting on something, and going on the warpath to suppress it.  If they were really scared, they could have just ignored the hearings.  They went beyond that.
  •  I watched the entire hearing (none / 1)

    As it wrapped up, I experienced something I'd almost given up on.  Hope.  Palpable, physical hope.  To hear so many speak so clearly about where we've gotten to and how we got there gives me an unanticipated expectation that maybe this rock is starting to give a little.

    To then read the Milbank piece in the Washington Post was like having a glass of cold water dumped on my head.   But I guess that is to be expected.   As others have mentioned, ridicule just means you've got their attention.  It will get worse before it gets better, but for the first time in a long time, I begin to think it could get better.

    You have won my admiration by your effective and courageous actions.

  •  Thanks to John Conyers and everybody here (4.00 / 2)

    we're finally getting some traction in the media.

    And check out this article at the BBC:
    Bloggers' 'victory' over Iraq war memos

  •  Thank you Congressman! (none / 0)

    You are giving lessons on dignity and integrity but the right is just so unwilling to learn.

    We're with you all the way sir!

  •  "Ridiculous" (none / 0)

    I am very disappointed that this ridiculous article was the Post's only coverage of yesterday's events.

    Ridiculous is the only word to describe it. Ridiculous also happens to be the same word I used to describe the Post's "DSM comes with not one new fact" editorial here (and, through the futile magic of cross-posting, here).

    For those who'll never click the link, I briefly took the Post to task over their editorial by observing the painfully obvious: how much better their news coverage in the war's runup would have been if reporters like Milbank had reported these things that were supposedly "publicly known in July 2002." And, by an extension of the absurd, the fact that these things were in no way publicly known at the time.

    Or did I miss some article quoting the British Ambassador on his private discussions with Wolfowitz about Atta in Prague? Or an article quoting top-level officials in the Blair government expressing concern that the Pentagon had no plans for The Day After? Or, or, or?

    "It's ridiculous--it's not even funny."
    --Negativland, "Time Zones"

    P.S. I'm extra happy, today, that I picked a Milbank article as my exemplar piece. I can't believe I used to respect this guy. I'm now down to Walter Pincus (and, sometimes, Dana Priest) as the only Post reporter(s) I can trust.

    P.P.S. I thank you from the bottom of my heart, Mr. Chairman, for what you did yesterday. May your spikes of activity be relentless, and of a scope and scale never seen before. Keep up the pressure on this regime.

    Raging in enthusiastic support of the machine since January, 2008

    by abw on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:52:29 PM PST

  •  Congressman Conyers. (none / 0)

    Save your breath.

    The Washington Post is a rag unfit for birdcages.

    There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

    by upstate NY on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:54:45 PM PST

  •  I love you, Congressman (none / 0)

    And I'm proud to be your constituent. But PLEASE, watch your back and don't fly in any small planes. We need you!

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."- Thomas Jefferson

    by RandyMI on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:55:47 PM PST

  •  My letter to Mr. Milbank (4.00 / 9)

    Oh, my goodness, Mr. Milbank, what a mean-spirited
    piece you did yesterday for the Washington Post! I
    mean, it is one thing to disagree with the forum, but your article went way beyond that into ridiculing and belittling people who are only standing up for what they believe in and to investigate some very significant questions on why we invaded Iraq.

    I won't go into the inaccuracies and misleading
    statements that were throughout your article. I read Rep. Conyers' eloquent letter to your Mr. Abramowitz regarding your article just a few minutes ago and he clarifies many points. I do want to say that your article also ridiculed about 122 US Representatives who co-signed Conyers letter to Bush; it ridiculed Cindy Sheehan and the families of the other 1,716 soldiers that have died, as of today, in the Iraq war; and it ridicules the over 560,000 Americans who signed
    Conyers petition for Bush to respond to his letter.

    Oh, my goodness, what a mean person you are.

  •  Keep on with this FIGHT!!! (none / 0)

    Congressman Conyers keep putting their feet to the fire. I stand behind you 100% and wish we had more congressional people walking the walk with you.
  •  THANX AGAIN CONGRESSMAN CONYERS. (none / 0)

    Just like here watch were the media trolls pop up and focus there. these "reporters" are nothing but corp. agents.we must shame them into doing their cover job or into putting down their propaganda filled pens. info. is the enemy of fascisism. get the truth out congressman,the truth will set us free. the stakes could not be higher.the control of much of the worlds wealth is at play here i.e. oil. oh and stay off small planes for now,bullets and accidents seem to be in some groups play book. take care, no take extra care . you are a very brave man stay safe. you will be in the history books for this ,but only if we win.god save the republic.
  •  Take action against the Post (none / 0)

    Yeah, call and write letters, then make sure they don't count you when they sell their website ads

    My call for action

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/17/155244/509

    In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
             ~George Orwell

    by outragemeter on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:59:34 PM PST

  •  Congressman Conyers, (none / 0)

    You were too kind! That article was a disgrace. I've never seen such a horrid piece of "journalism". There was a time when such inaccurate, obviously-biased crap would not get printed. Sure, everyone has a right to say what they want, but there has to be a standard for news. Randi Rhodes has been hammering that point home lately, and I think it's a big part of the next step: to reclaim the media, there have to be enforced non-political journalistic standards. This should be an easy bi-partisan issue.

    "I guess this is what you get when you elect leaders ideologically committed to the notion that government isn't good for anything."- Tom Tomorrow

    by A Ball of Lint on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:00:59 PM PST

  •  Congressman Conyers--thank you (none / 0)

    for all that you are doing for our country.  You are a brave man, and I so appreciate your perseverence in the face of adversity.  The harder the other side fights back, the closer you are getting to dismantling their cowardly and anti-American abuse of power.  We have your back here--carry on, and keep on letting us know what we can do.

    "....no proof, just science and that makes it true for you liberals" (from an e-mail to Kos)

    by bibble on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM PST

  •  My letter to the Washington Post (3.91 / 12)

    Regarding Dana Milbanks' editorial yesterday RE: The Downing Street Memo [ Democrats Play House to Rally Against the War June 17, 2005 ]
    I wish someone could please explain to me the media and their apparent confusion over whether the
    Downing Street Minutes constitutes "news".
    I've lived through the  O.J Simpson trial, two Michael Jackson showdowns, Whitewater, Filegate, Troopergate and many many more news debaucles than I wish to revisit mentally. I can only objectively say to myself that If Watergate was news, if Monica Lewinski was news, if the Micheal Jacksons trial is news, then this is not only news, it is a bombshell.
    Milbanks' description of the hearings held yesterday ( June 16,2005 ) at the Capitol was at best, misleading. While the small, cramped quarters the hearing was held in was described, left out was the reason, namely that Republicans actively pursued a
    strategy to silence this hearing by not allowing the hearings to be held in one of the many other available, bigger rooms. Also omitted from your article, was the Republicans a very odd timing of an unusual holding of 11 votes on the floor, obviously a tactic to discourage participation form this forum.
    Dana Milbank, I've got some news for you. When authenticated documents,from a reliable source, which provide very strong proof that the President of  the United States took the country to war illegally, surface, that's news. When elected congresspersons with
    legitimate concerns regarding these documents are forced to hold a hearing in a Janitors colset in the Capitol, that's not only news,
    it's a disgrace to this country.

    To send your own letter to the post
    letters@washpost.com

  •  Democrats Play House To Rally Against War (4.00 / 16)

    My letter sent as follows:

    Dear Mr. Getler,

    As one of over half a million signatories of Rep. John Conyers' letter regarding the Downing Street Memo, I'm shocked by the facetious, dismissive tone of Dana Milbanks's article covering yesterday's hearing.  Whatever one's opinion, these are grave issues.  There is an increasing amount of evidence that President Bush made the decision to invade Iraq on the basis of ideology, not necessity.

    If it proves true that Congress was deliberately misled by the Bush administration regarding the cause for war in Iraq, this is an impeachable offense.  Whether or not it is indeed true is a matter for serious journalistic investigation, not facile humor.  I sincerely hope to see more of the latter from The Washington Post.

    With regards,

    •  Thelesis, I took your excellent LTE (4.00 / 2)

      and reworked it to make it my own. I've sent this off to Mr. Getler, and thanks for the inspiration.

      I am one of over half a million signatories of Rep. John Conyers' letter regarding the Downing Street Memo, I'm shocked by the gossipy, dismissive, elitist tone of Dana Milbank's article covering yesterday's hearing. Whatever one's opinion, these are grave issues. I watched the hearings on C-SPAN 3, and wonder if Mr. Milbank actually attended the event, I watched.  While Rep. Conyers and others discussed the increasing amount of evidence that President Bush made the decision to invade Iraq on the basis of ideology, not necessity, Mr. Milbank felt the bigger issue was  ..."draping white linens over folding tables to make them look like witness tables and bringing in cardboard name tags and extra flags..."  I didn't realize Mr. Milbank had become a commentator for the society page of The Washington Post.  However, if Mr. Milbank had taken the time to explain why the meeting was held in such a small unaccommodating location, his piece might have appeared more balanced and less gossipy.  I trust The Washington Post will print Rep. Conyers' response, and clear up the matter for your readers.  
      Whether or not it is indeed true that the Bush administration deliberately misled Congress, and the American people, regarding the reason for war in Iraq, it is a matter for serious journalistic investigation, not facile humor. I sincerely hope to see more of the former from The Washington Post going forward.
      Regards,

      "Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen." Mort Sahl

      by maggiemae on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:30:23 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  My pleasure! (none / 0)

        Thanks for adding your voice.  Anyone else, please feel free to adapt.  

        ombudsman@washpost.com
        milbankd@washpost.com

        And a thousand thanks to the Honorable John Conyers for his courage and fortitude.  

  •  Keep Fighting the Good Fight (3.75 / 4)

    I predict that in the future that cramped basement room will be hallowed ground. Our children and grandchildren will know it as the place where we the people made our first stand against the tide of fascism (yes, fascism) that is sweeping our nation.

    People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people

    by The Icelander on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:06:10 PM PST

  •  EVERYONE, EMAIL THE WAPO! (none / 1)

    I encourage everyone to email the Washington Post and, in a nice and evenhanded manner, to tell them that you support the sentiments of Congressman Conyers on this matter. If we want the WaPo to change, we have to let them know how we feel.
  •  Congressman Conyers, (4.00 / 6)

    I am not even a citizen but I have lived here for 30 years. (I am a legal immigrant, of course.) What I feel for all of you in that room is love, rivers of gratefulness, immense admiration, and emotional release that such good, intelligent, reasonable people are finally talking about what so many of us have worried about for at least three years. But I am especially grateful to you for your courage and your refusal to back down. You are so determined to carry this through that I have been worried about your safety and the safety of anyone associated with this inquiry.

    (So far they are dealing with it by pretending we are "silly" or "extreme". We will know they are really worried when they start to say we are all child molesters.)

    I am shocked and appalled at the supersilious, elitist press--they have dared to call us elitist. These people--people like Dana Milbank--are morally bankrupt. I will not take seriously anything Milbank says again. I evaluate everything I read and see very carefully with the journalist's integrity in mind. As far as I am concerned, Milbank has demonstrated that he is intellectually dishonest and has no journalistic integrity.

    Once again, I am so grateful to you and your colleagues and the courageous people who spoke yesterday.

    In the words of Bono, "Don't let the bastards get you down."
    Leslie

    Halfway between reasonable and idiotic is not a political position I want to take.

    by lecsmith on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:07:14 PM PST

  •  Dignity and Grace (4.00 / 2)

    Rep. Conyers, you have handled this situation with dignity and grace, and an inner strength, and I admire you so much for it.  I was glad to see your letter to the Washington Post.  I was equally outraged with an interview by one of their hacks on MSNBC last night. They will not prevail.  You've got a momentum going, and one of your true gifts is perseverance.  You've shown us that.  I'm with you 100% and am thanking you every day.  You've got the truth on your side.  May the force continue to be with you.
  •  You deserve better, Congressman! (none / 0)

    Let me know what I can do to help get the media attention and respect that this deserves!
  •  we're all over it at allspinzone (none / 1)

    letters, complints, links to your letter: we're working it mr. Conyers.
    Someone needs to come up with a synonym for Dana Milbank the same way Dan Savage came up with one for Santorum.
    As in "I lost control of my bowels and dropped a huge milbank in my pants."
    10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag...
  •  A Complete Failure of Journalistic Integrity (4.00 / 6)

    Dear Mr. Milbank:

    I am writing to condemn the abysmal affront to journalism which you tried to pass off today as an article in the Washington Post under the heading "House Democrats Play House to Rally against the War".

    I'm sure this is one of thousands of letters you will receive deriding your incompetence, mean-spiritedness, and utter contempt for American values.  

    The event in question, Representative Conyers' hearing on the Downing street Memo, was not an anti-war rally.  It was an effort to review the very idea that a sitting President would lie to Congress and the world as it now appears Bush did to instigate the war in Iraq.  If a President lies he should be impeached.  This is a matter of national importance.  

    No matter how much you deride or seek to obscure it, the Downing Street Memo is simply the tip of the iceberg.  There are numerous witnesses on record, and new documents emerging.  There is so much evidence available, in fact, that perhaps a journalist of some resources and integrity might actually be able to write an article describing the charges and the implications.

    Why won't you pay attention to the significance of these events?  Is it a justifiable excuse to say that because we suspected it before it's not news-worthy now that proof is emerging?

    If it all does prove to be true, what will be the significance?  If, as we may now freely suspect, Bush and his "Office of Special Plans" concocted evidence to support his war, and hid other evidence, it will be one of the most immoral acts in the history of the American Presidency.  

    When that day arrives, your shame should know no bounds.

    SIGNED

    "What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence."  - Colin Powell to the UN as Justification for the War on Iraq

    If McCain is the answer, then the question must be ridiculous. - NY Governor David Paterson

    by 5oclockshadow on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:13:16 PM PST

    •  my letter (none / 0)

      Just sent:

      Mr. Milbank, Mr. Getler, Mr. Abramowitz-

      Dan Milbank's piece in Friday's Washington Post, "Democrats Play House To Rally Against the War", was brought to my attention yesterday evening.

      "long-suffering House Democrats took a trip to the land of make-believe"

      Thursday's event was not about "long-sufferring House Democrats". It was about the war that has been forced upon hundreds of thousands of American families and upon millions of Iraqis.

      Step outside your cloistered Washington world, Mr. Milbank, and try to reacquaint yourself with what people in this country are concerned with. Perhaps you could visit some of the families in Rep. Conyers' district who have lost loved ones in the war. Or maybe you could travel to Iraq to see what our soldiers are going through over there.

      I am disappointed in the petty tone of your Friday column. It mocks those who are working hard to restore peace.

      Sincerely,

      Adam

  •  milbank's email (none / 0)

    milbankd@washingtonpost.com
    ombudsman@washpost.com
    just sayin...
  •  We're Coming Back (none / 0)

    This is just the beginning, folks.

    The conservative movement has peaked and is now over-extended. Bush lied about the war and everyone but the most hypnotized Rethugs knowit.

    God bless Congressman Conyers and the Daily Kos!

    As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. - Mr. Carlson

    by Karmafish on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:16:35 PM PST

  •  Distribute the Video to the Press and to Congress! (none / 0)

    John Conyers:

    Remember the Video that Ray McGovern showed at the hearing (I like to still call it a "hearing"), that showed Powell and Rice tell the real truth about Iraq in early 2001?

    This is online at the web address: http://100777.com/media/03102003colincondoleeza.wmv

    or click here:   Video that shows Bush has been lying to us

    Please distribute this video out to the national media and to members of Congress. Get it into the hands of the Daily Show, David Letterman, Bill Maher, Jay Leno as well.

    Let's make it clear in visual evidence that Bush and Cheney and Rumsfled lied all throughout 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, ...

    The blood of our children is on their hands.

    Get the video distributed and widely circulated to the press, newspapers, TV, and Congress.

    Let them try and "spin" that one!

  •  I'm (3.66 / 3)

    ashamed to be a journalist when I read things like this. It is an embarrasment to the entire profession.

    I have written close to a dozen letters today to the NYT, WaPo and elsewhere to try to get coverage--and fair coverage at that.

    Mr. Conyers, the witnesses and the other attendees deserve better treatment from the rest of Congress and fair coverage from the media.

    Thank you Mr. Chairman!!

  •  target the WP? (none / 0)

    Can the Washington Post be made the direct target of activism?

    How many people would it take to gum-up the building?

    If you are interested in the politics of Proviso Township in Cook County, Illinois, visit Proviso Probe.

    by Carl Nyberg on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:17:55 PM PST

    •  Easy Now, Carl (none / 0)

      The only thing WaPo did wrong was let Milbank's POS slide past the editors today. I don't recall ever seeing anything of this sort of puerile drivel under his byline before.

      I'm not suggesting given WaPo an entire pass. It's just that the goal probably should involve getting the riot act read to him by his superiors, and a severe warning to the editors that Milbank had better be spiked the next time he writes such trash.

      If it were a Chicago paper, I'd send 'em a note right now, but given East Coast sensitivities, I'll wait until I can find a way to measure my words. (F'n elite snobs ...)

      R.I.P. Chicago Eddie Schwartz (May 5, 1946 - February 4, 2009)

      by wystler on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:55:46 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  that should be @washpost.com (none / 0)

    milbankd@washpost.com
    sorry about that...
  •  What the Washington Post SHOULD be writing (3.66 / 3)

    About this war in Iraq: We were wrong. We didn't do our jobs. We're sorry. We pledge to better. Please forgive us this great sin against our profession.

    -- Sincerely,
       All those who still wish to be journalists at the WaPo

  •  Amen (3.66 / 3)

    The WaPo long ago gave up trying to uphold basic journalistic standards.  Obvious bias means nothing to them anymore.  It's sad.  I remember the heady days of Watergate with such nostalgia, when reading the WaPo meant you were getting the cutting edge of the truth.

    Now GOPeople-pleasing reporters can write facutally challenges snarky articles and no one in charge of the paper cares.  Dana Milback is a self-absorbed joke who wouldn't recognize journalistic integrity if it slapped him upside the head.

    Brings back nauseating memories of Ceci Connolly's coverage of the Gore campaign.  All you can do is stand back and watch in horror at the lack of integrity shown by Republican "journalists" who place ideology above factual reporting.

    I watched the entire DSM hearing on the rebroadcast.  It was refreshing to hear the truth spoken over and over again.  I'm going to order the DVD from Take Back the Media.

    God bless you, Mr. Chairman.  Ridicule means they fear you.

    And please don't fly in any small planes.

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    --Tom Harkin

    by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:25:23 PM PST

  •  Wow-have you considered moving to Oklahoma? (4.00 / 7)

    We sure could use you down here!  Of course, I wouldn't ask a dog to live here, so.......anyway thanks once again for showing the rest of America and especially our elected congresspersons how to represent the American people.  I am so envious of your constituents?  Can I just adopt you?

    Here is the letter I wrote to Getler and the editor:

    From: xxxxxxxxx
    Date: Fri Jun 17, 2005  3:10:37  PM US/Central
    To: ombudsman@washpost.com, letters@washpost.com
    Subject: Dana Milbank's Downing Street Minutes article

    Dear Mr. Getler:

    As on avid online reader of the Washington Post, I must express my extreme disappointment with both the tone and content of  Dana Milbank's article on the hearing concerning the Downing Street Minutes.  Mr. Milbank's article was snide, spiteful and downright full of misinformation.  Why did he not stress the fact that originally the Republican majority refused to allow Congressman Conyers to conduct the PEOPLE'S business in the PEOPLE'S government offices, ultimately assigning the hearing to a basement room?  Why did Mr. Milbank neglect to mention that 121 members of Congress signed the letter to the administration in addition to over 540,000 concerned American citizens?  Why did Mr. Milbank portray Congressman Conyers in such a spiteful and rude way (eg. "Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) banged a large wooden gavel and got the other lawmakers to call him "Mr. Chairman." He liked that so much that he started calling himself "the chairman" and spouted other chairmanly phrases, such as "unanimous consent" and "without objection so ordered." The dress-up game looked realistic enough on C-SPAN, so two dozen more Democrats came downstairs to play along").  Why did Mr. Milbank's neglect to report that Congressman Conyers was NOT allowed into the White House grounds and was forced to pass the signed petition through the iron gates?  

    I can only assume from Mr. Milbank's less than factual and glaringly sophomorish article that he should be included in the group of "journalists" being paid to disseminate propaganda by the Bush administration.

    Shame on Mr. Milbank and shame on the Washington Post editorial staff for allowing such shoddy journalism to grace its pages!

    Sincerely,

    xxxxxxxx

    ROAR in his name Democrats - The Kennedy Health Care Reform Bill.

    by juslikagrzly on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:26:49 PM PST

  •  THANK YOU (none / 0)

    Thanks Congressman! Don't stop fighting for us!

    A point in every direction is the same...as no point at all. - The Pointless Man (Nilsson)

    by Czarvoter on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:27:09 PM PST

  •  AMAZED (4.00 / 2)

    Does anyone remember this article?

    Written on 6/6/2003

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/06/findlaw.analysis.dean.wmd/

    Snip/

    Is lying about the reason for a war an impeachable offense?
    By John W. Dean
    FindLaw Columnist
    Special to CNN.com
    Friday, June 6, 2003 Posted: 5:17 PM EDT (2117 GMT)

    -- President George W. Bush has got a very serious problem. Before asking Congress for a joint resolution authorizing the use of U.S. military forces in Iraq, he made a number of unequivocal statements about the reason the United States needed to pursue the most radical actions any nation can undertake -- acts of war against another nation.
    _______________
    and this:

    Presidential statements, particularly on matters of national security, are held to an expectation of the highest standard of truthfulness. A president cannot stretch, twist or distort facts and get away with it. President Lyndon Johnson's distortions of the truth about Vietnam forced him to stand down from reelection. President Richard Nixon's false statements about Watergate forced his resignation.

    Frankly, I hope the WMDs are found, for it will end the matter. Clearly, the story of the missing WMDs is far from over. And it is too early, of course, to draw conclusions. But it is not too early to explore the relevant issues.

    President Bush's statements on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction
    Readers may not recall exactly what President Bush said about weapons of mass destruction; I certainly didn't. Thus, I have compiled these statements below. In reviewing them, I saw that he had, indeed, been as explicit and declarative as I had recalled.

    Bush's statements, in chronological order, were:

    "Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."

    United Nations address, September 12, 2002

    "Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."

    "We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

    Radio address, October 5, 2002

    "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."

    "We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

    "We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States."

    "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" -- his nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."

    Cincinnati, Ohio speech, October 7, 2002

    "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."

    State of the Union Address, January 28, 2003

    "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

    Address to the nation, March 17, 2003

    ________________

  •  This must be repetitive... (none / 0)

    but here is another thanks to John Conyers.

    He is a true American patriot.  

    One day the American fascist regime that pervades our country will die and be repudiated, and he will be recognized as such.

  •  Just had to say (none / 0)

    thank you, and please know how many of us support you, Mr. Conyers. Please continue to let us know what we can do to support you.
  •  Was Milbank even present physically in the (none / 0)

    small basement meeting room during this first Conyers Downing St Hearing? Or was Milbank just channeling  ghostwitten GOPUSA "news" pieces, a la Guckert?
  •  FWIW - my comments to the Post (4.00 / 3)

    First, let me also say thank you to Congressman Conyers. You are a beacon of hope to those of us who despaired of any investigation ever taking place.

    Following is my letter submitted via email to the Post:

    Dear Mr. Getler, Mr. Milbank, and Mr. Abramowitz,

    I recently had the extreme displeasure of reading Dana Milbank's piece in the Washington Post (Democrats Play House to Rally Against the War) about the hearing into the Downing Street Minutes led by Congressman John Conyers. I remember a distant time when Mr. Milbank was a serious journalist, but now his idea of covering an event of this magnitude is scorn and poor jokes.

    The hearing was not an anti-war rally; it was a first attempt at an investigation into whether or not the President and his administration lied to the Congress and the American people to garner support for the invasion of Iraq. Hundreds of American soldiers have died since the invasion, and more die every day. Why does the Washington Post think it not worth investigating whether or not our soldiers may have died for a lie?

    I'll admit it's no "sex with an intern" scandal, it's not that shocking, but there is sensationalism aplenty in this story. It is in no way an event to be made light of. This is serious business, the people's business, and the fact that the hearing had to be held in a tiny basement room because Republicans brook no investigation of the President is as much a story as the contents of the minutes.

    And yet Dana Milbank's immature snarkfest is what a newspaper with the clout of the Washington Post submits to the world as "coverage" of the hearing. Foreign news sources did a better job of reporting on this hearing, even though it happened in your backyard. Though the Post has been heralded as the home of quality investigative journalism, it is clear that Woodward and Bernstein's story wouldn't make it into print today.

    Shame on you, Mr. Milbank, for writing this piece of trash, and shame on the Post for publishing no serious coverage of a scandal that has the attention of the rest of the English-speaking world. You have together further damaged the reputation of a once fine newspaper.

  •  media rules (none / 1)

    politicians come and go... the same ol' media whores, especially the owners, never die...

    not a single word of coverage of the conyers' hearings in the australian media.

    not a word on bbc newshour.

    milbank's opening line is telling:

    "In the Capitol basement yesterday, long-suffering House Democrats took a trip to the land of make-believe"

    if it ain't getting blanket covereage on worldwide media, it is MAKE BELIEVE!!!!!

    there is no independent media in the corp media world we live in.

    boycott the media.

  •  Representative Conyers (none / 0)

    You speak for me.

    There are not many out there who share my concerns and my principles.

    That is a very frightening notion to think that simple American values are under attack like never before; Values like fair trial and open government and firewalls between the press and policy makers, just for starters.

    So keep this note as a reminder when it gets hard.

    You speak for me.

  •  I am sorry, Rep. Conyers (4.00 / 6)

    and fellow truth seekers, but it is time to fight the media on another level entirely.

    Really.

    I have a dog...a GOOD dog, a dog that is almost irretrievably optimistic about everything.

    Even the vet.

    No matter how many times the vet pokes, prods, injects or otherwise discomfits this fine tempered animal, no matter HOW many nasty experiences he has there...every time we head to the office he goes in full of anticipation at the fine time that he will have there. Tail wagging, dreaming of the little kibbles they give him and the fine friends that he will make in the waiting room...

    And then, of course, the inevitable truth.

    "Hold him well, Artie...he's not going to like this..."

    Well...how many times are we going to be outraged at the consistent media stonewalling?

    How many timers are we going to go out the door with a brand new story...DSM, vote theft, Guckert/Gannon, Enron, WMD lies, etc....only be "shocked" at the media's stonewalling tactics?

    They are not only the corporate media, they are the COMPLICIT media, and there are those among their executive ranks who could quite easliy be indicted a co-conspirators if the treason that is rampant in this government were ever truly investigated.

    So I have another idea.

    Hit them in the pocketbook.

    Kick 'em in the bottom line.

    And then TELL them about it.

    Please go here,  here, here, here and especially here to read several recent diaries and  over 50 comments (so far) on this idea.

    Tell hem WHY we are doing it.

    Tell them...and their advertisers...that we are not going to deal with them anymore, at least until hey begin to clean up their act.

    Done right, this would scare them to DEATH.

    They are "the complicit media" only because that is what best helps their bottom line. Promise to affect that bottom line...and the demographic consisting of those on this blog and the others in much of the Democratic Party is THE demographic upon which their success is primarily based...and you WILL get their attention.

    Representative Conyers...consider this idea well. If you were to lend your position to it, the idea could WORK!!!

    NO amount of letters to the editor and ombudsman complaints would be as aefective as even one weekend's downward spike in sales to these people.

    WAPO, NY TIMES, the networks, the newsmagazines...they are ALL complicit in this. And they are also all vulnerable to economic sanctions.

    BET on it.

    An idea whose time has come.

    Later...

    AG

    "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

    by Arthur Gilroy on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:51:32 PM PST

    •  I'm in full agreement. (none / 0)

      I don't know how many letters I've sent to WAPO and I've had enough.

      I refuse to send one more damn letter to this corrupted corporate enterprise.

      It's over. WAPO is over. The NY Times is over.

      BOYCOTT NOW.

      It worked against Sinclair media during the election.

      All these people understand is money. Fine... we'll play that game.

      Please, everyone join us. Let's shut these papers down and let papers like the Guardian and the Independent in the UK fill the void.

      "...an admirable evasion of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish disposition to the charge of a star!"

      King Lear

      by Norwell on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:12:52 PM PST

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    •  I'd love to have this as a bumper sticker n/t (none / 0)

      Fight until there are jobs, healthcare, and peace. --Kwickkick

      by oslo on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 08:08:17 PM PST

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    •  Not gonna work (none / 0)

      We can't just boycott the news, because we rely on it too much. You can boycott FOX, but then CNN is just as bad. And the major networks aren't that much better themselves. And you can't really boycott WAPO, because it's one of the major sources of new stories (i.e. discussion topics) for the rest of the MSM. It would be difficult to quickly respond to new events if we don't know they exist yet.

      I think we have to fight them mano a mano by writing LTE's, discussions on weblogs, and making note of their incompetence any time it's possible. I already only follow sources that I either trust or have to keep up with to stay abreast of current news (i.e. WAPO) and a boycott wouldn't/couldn't change my news habits. But while I can't completely avoid incompetent sources, I can complain and make others aware of their incompetence and this does have an effect.

      I think weblogs are already having an effect on the MSM and they're feeling some pressure to do something about it. I say keep up the pressure!

      Democrats -- Progress for the Working Class

      by rogun on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 10:17:59 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  You say: (none / 0)

        'We can't just boycott the news, because we rely on it too much."

        Yup. You DO rely on it too much.

        "You can boycott FOX, but then CNN is just as bad. And the major networks aren't that much better themselves."

        Precisely my point.

        "And you can't really boycott WAPO, because it's one of the major sources of new stories (i.e. discussion topics) for the rest of the MSM."

        Exactly.

        And the rest of the MSM is worthless, as you just pointed out.

        So...where's the beef?

        Turn 'em O-F-F OFF.

        "It would be difficult to quickly respond to new events if we don't know they exist yet."

        But they do not COVER "new events".

        Only the same OLD events, restaged over and over and over again.

        You've been hyped, rogun.

        Hypno-hyped.

        Turn them off. You'll still be able to find out everything that they are not letting you do anything about anyway, because you're web literate.

        And the corporate media...if they are sufficiently harmed by a boycott...will eventually have to begin to cover REAL news, which will then come to the attention of the vast middle that does NOT get its news from the web.

        It would work...but first good people like you have to wake up to the fact that their resistance to this idea is really the same as a case of junkie denial.

        'I can turn it off aaaaany time I want to!!! REALLY I can!!!"

        "BUT WHAT IF I MISS SOMETHING?"

        Nothing TO miss.

        Wake up to this one salient fact.

        There is NOTHING on the TV or in the papers that is "true". It is ALL hype.

        Yeah, so and so said such and such...but IT MEANS NOTHING.

        Nothing changes.

        And ANYTHING that could "change" things"...The DSM, Rep. Conyers' attempts to get the word out, Gannon/Guckert...is stonewalled into timed oblivion.

        The next news cycle or two or three...gone gone gone.

        All your letters and complairts...??? Don't make me laugh. (It hurts too much.)

        Gone before they are even read.

        "Topic? Our coverage of the DSM."

        Gone.

        "Topic? Keyword 'Conyers'."

        Into the trash file.

        And so on.

        Yeah, they dance their little prevarication dance...but NOTHING changes except the cast of the soap opera that they are obsessively reviewing over and over and over again.

        Wake up.

        It's not the news...it's the OLDS.

        And here WE are, chanting the same tired mantra day after day as the country descends deeper and deeper into a hell from which it quite possibly will never return.

        "'I can turn it off aaaaany time I want to."

        Right.

        Aaaaany day now.

        You can?

        PROVE it.

        AG

        "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

        by Arthur Gilroy on Mon Jun 20, 2005 at 09:00:03 AM PST

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  •  Here's the e-mail I sent (4.00 / 2)

    to those involved at the Post:

    When I read Dana Milbank's article this morning "Dems Play House to Rally Against the War," I was stunned.  I can't believe the meeting Milbank attended was the same one I watched online through C-Span 3.  What was he thinking?

    Surely he was aware that other media reps were in the room, who would contradict him, along with as many witnesses as could fit into this alternative meeting space.  There are many who would testify under oath that his impressions were slanted, disrepectful, factually incorrect, and selective.

    I have followed the Downing Street Minutes scandal closely since the London Times first broke the story.  I was sure that the Post would eventually take up its responsibility on these shores to monitor political events affecting not only our citizens but also people around the world.  Had the reporter done his job correctly, he would surely have noted that the members of Congress were forced to meet in a small room in the basement because Republicans blocked their use of any committee room (large or small) in spite of availability.  (Majority Leader Pelosi checked during the hearing to make sure that these rooms were not occupied or scheduled.)  In fact, had Milbank followed just a few of the difficulties in scheduling this hearing during the week he might have had a second, related story.  

    Not only was Milbank's reporting inaccurate but it was also snide.  Unless you're training him to move to Fox News, I suggest someone send him back through basic journalism classes for instruction in factual details, objectivity, and ethics.

    I can accept the fact that Republicans have decided that the only way to block truth on the Hill is to block Democrats from discussing unpleasant details, facts, testimony, and other evidence that illustrate their abuse of power and attempts to justify that abuse.  What I find more difficult to accept is the Post's role as a willing accomplice in this charade.

    I am disappointed and dismayed that the Washington Post chooses to lose credibility and readership simply because it sent an irresponsible reporter to cover a major event.  

    American readers (at least) once trusted the Post.  But I suppose those days are gone.

    Perhaps if you publish a second, more thoughtful, accurate accounting, as well as an apology to Congressman John Conyers, you may begin to find your way back to respect.

    Sincerely yours,

    •  And mine... (4.00 / 4)

      Dear Editor:

      Dana Milbank must be bored. Though The Washington Post has allowed him to ride the fence between reporting and commentary for quite some time, it appears Milbank has reached the point at which the delivery of even the most basic facts no longer interests him. His recent article, "Democrats Play House to Rally Against the War," (June 17th, page A06) has accelerated the slide of the mainstream press into absolute disgrace.

      Rather than inform his readers that Congressman Conyers held his forum in a tiny conference room because the Republicans refused to allow him access to a proper facility, Milbank snickers at the quaintness of the proceeding and calls the participants "playmates." Though Cindy Sheehan recounted in detail the open-casket funeral of her son who was killed in Iraq, he claims that the Democrats "took a trip to the land of make-believe." 1,718 soldiers just like Sheehan's child are dead, yet Milbank prefers to report that somebody "knocked over a flag" during the event.

      Well, I think it is Milbank who lives in the land of make-believe, yucking it up while a struggling minority attempts to hold this President to account for the lies that took us to war. There was a time when The Washington Post might have been instrumental in exposing those lies. Sadly, those days are over.

      I suggest Dana Milbank send a resume over to The Onion. He could dish out all the snark he wants, and he wouldn't have to pretend to be a journalist any longer.


      Democrats: For the health, prosperity and security of every single American.

      by alysheba on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 07:12:53 PM PST

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  •  Congressmen Conyers = Hero! (none / 1)

    tonight we'll be watching the entire CSPAN coverage. Last night they had it on CSPAN3 (don't get it) and then a unscheduled re-air later and I caught some of that.

    First off, I watched it with tears streaming, holding hands with my husband. Finally we felt like a part of the tearing down this administrations lies and cover ups and disgrace.

    It was great hearing you all speak with such class and common sense.

    My quiet husband pointed and shouted - I SIGNED!! WE BOTH SIGNED

    Thank you for HOPE! What do you need us to do now?

    Janet

    "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." ~Jimi Hendrix

    by Damnit Janet on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:53:30 PM PST

  •  I am spitting mad at Milbanks' article! (none / 0)

    I just emailed him a nasty note, profanity included, which is unlike me.  This is infuriating!  I am so sick of the media camping out en masse for days on end to cover bullshit stories, and then reporting something so important with ridicule and disdain.  What is wrong with him?!

    Man I'm pissed!  He's a disgrace.

    The good Congressman, on the other hand, is a sight to behold.  Damn, I love that man, and am so proud to almost be in his district.

  •  Don't be disappointed! (none / 1)

    The media silence is a sign that the events of yesterday were frightening to the folks who sold their souls down the river by playing along with the decision to unilaterally invade Iraq. These were the same lost souls who laughed along as the President tried to make light of the "search for weapons of mass destruction" as if the deaths of our soldiers were a subject fit for no more than cocktail hour chatter.

    I found the dignified process that took place, along with the intense, sharp intelligence shown by so many of the participating representatives to be an inspiring experience. Keep it up even if you have to broadcast from the basement of a shuttered Wal-Mart, while relegated to C-SPAN 47. Soon enough, all of this will be in prime time.

    •  The media was NOT silent today (none / 1)

      See my Awaken the MSM diary today, for links. Many TV networks and national newspapers were diffident, or in Mr. Milbanks' case, dismissive.

      But the local newspapers around the country are all over the story. Take for example the Akron Beacon...a full front page spread (third day in a row they've published something on DSM):
      http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/nation/11918035.htm

      THAT is where the readers are, and that is where momentum will build, if anywhere, for Congressional investigation. And that is why our media campaign (you'll notice) has been concentrating on the wire services and newspaper chains more than the usual suspects.  Let's see if a month from now Mr. Bush finds that he's lost his last shred of credibility about Iraq among mainstream America--while he and the Washington pundits were treating this story as a travesty.

  •  Mr. Chairman -- (none / 1)

    you, sir, make me proud to be an American.
  •   LTE WaPo (4.00 / 6)

    My letter to the Washington Post:

    Dana Milbank begins his article (June 17 p A06) "In the Capitol basement yesterday, long-suffering House Democrats took a trip to the land of make-believe."  

    I wish it was the land of make-believe instead of this aberration of a democratic republic the Bush administration has led us into, with the aid and complicity of the national press corps.

    There is another AP picture, readily available on the Internet, showing Congressman Conyers standing at the closed gates to the White House.  Mr. Conyers carried with him a letter signed by 122 Congressional representatives and a petition signed by 560,000 American citizens, signatures gathered within a matter of days.

    He was denied access.

    As a school child, I was taught that there were three co-equal branches of government.  If Mr. Conyers had stood on the steps of the Capital and denied access to Mr. Bush, would Mr. Milbank have deemed that worthy of reporting to the American people?

    The First Amendment of the Bill of Rights says:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Perhaps Mr. Milbank and the rest of the Washington press corps believe they can ignore the voices of American citizens.  The President, as the executive officer of the government, cannot ignore us without breaking his oath of office.

    We will be heard, Mr. Milbank.  With or without the assistance of the Washington Post.

    Kathleen Eschenburg

  •  BOYCOTT anyone? (none / 1)

    Is it time to let the Washington Post and the New York Times know what their actions will cost them?

    I do.

    Does anyone want to start a boycott by their subscribers? A boycott of their advertisers?

    If the so called "legitimate media" is going to Foxify itself, then it's existence is really more of a problem than anything else, yes? Maybe it's time we throw down the gauntlet and let our media know what the result of lying to the public will be? It doesn't cost money not to lie. It costs money to send reporters to Iraq... but not to tell the truth here at home.

    So... as with the Sinclair Media advertising boycott that worked during the election...

    I think the time has come for the WAPO and the New York Times to pay the price for legitimizing what they knew at the time (come on folks... WE knew it... they did too) were lies.

    "...an admirable evasion of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish disposition to the charge of a star!"

    King Lear

    by Norwell on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:10:19 PM PST

  •  My letter to WaPo (4.00 / 6)

    Re: Democrats Play House To Rally Against the War (Dana Milbank, Friday, June 17, 2005; Page A06)

    Dear sirs:

    I find it unfathomable the way Mr. Milbank finds so much valuable space on your pages to report on the state of the drapes, even having the gall to call his subject "make-believe", while almost completely ignoring the content of the hearing and it's import.

    The Downing Street Memo raises serious questions about the way this President took us to war. 1700 US servicemembers have paid for that questionable decision with their lives. The Washington Post owes them better than mocking descriptions which trivialize our elected officials attempts to reveal the truth, using words like "fantasy" to describe their noble efforts, using words like "playmates" to describe US Congressmen, former ambassadors, and top ranking CIA officers.

    Mr. Milbank's article contains factually incorrect information, including the false assertion that only Mr. Conyers has mentioned the DSM on the Congressional Record. That bears a correction.

    Today, seeking illumination, I may as well have watched ten minutes of professional wrestling instead of reading Mr. Milbank's lame article, which focused on absolutely anything but what's important -- the content of the hearings. You'd think he was reporting on a fashion show with it's pretensions, and not an controversial Congressional inquiry into damning and unimpeachable evidence of pre-war deception.

    Choosing between the patriotic citizens determined to hold their government accountable for the disastrous results of it's policies on one hand, or the sycophantic shills portraying "old news" as a "conspiracy" of "playmates" playing "make-believe" on the other, I ask -- who's living in a land of "make-believe"? Because Mr. Milbank may want to pinch himself.

    This is real -- 1700 flag draped caskets, thousands wounded, tens of thousands of civilians dead, our global reputation in tatters, our military overstretched, hundreds of billions of dollars spent with no end in sight -- on the basis of willful lies, exposed by the Downing Street Minutes and the truth therein contained.

    Our brave forces and the millions affected by our Iraq policy deserve better than a whitewashing of Mr. Bush's deceptions. Bush and his political allies may have the excuse of partisanship to explain their mockery of damning evidence, but the Washington Post may proffer no such excuse.

    With diminished respect,
    (edverb)

  •  Be prepared for their sarcasm and dismissiveness (3.50 / 2)

    When the worm started to turn in the Vietnam era, the body politic was afflicted with just this sort of blood poisoning.  I think the toxin may be a by-product of fear.

    The fops, the flacks, the hacks, and the criminals in the White House are terrified that their derelictions and crimes are soon to be revealed.

    Remember how respectful and generous Milbank has been over the years of the monkey king's semiliterate locutions and idiotic non sequiturs.  This boy is definitely for rent...

    www.bushwatch.net - Kicking against the pricks since '98!

    by chuckvw on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:15:46 PM PST

  •  Dear Mr Conyers (none / 1)

    I have been politically involved since college (which seemed like another lifetime ago, until Iraq -  now it is, horribly, deja vu) and I've never known a politician who had the capacity to move me with his courage and integrity as you have.
  •  Keep fighting (none / 0)

    Maybe we should all just change our signature lines to read: "Thank you Congressman Conyers."

    Thank you.

    "Won't you try just a little bit harder? Couldn't you try just a little bit more?" - R. Hunter

    by mungley on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:24:22 PM PST

  •  Hurray!!! (none / 0)

    You're our hero!!

    "...I was worried about what he'd do to the economy... muck up the drinking water...the failure of my pessimistic imagination...boggles my mind" Sarah Vowell

    by CrazyDem on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:37:43 PM PST

  •  Dear Mr. Getler (4.00 / 7)

    Dear Mr. Getler:

    I was interested in Mr. Milbank's piece on the Conyers hearing yesterday.  I read it several times.  Unless this piece was intended to be a farce, it trivializes the Washington Post, in my opinion. It appears to be largely a hatchet-job on Mr. Conyers.  Mr. Milbank starts with an untruth:

    "In the Capitol basement yesterday, long-suffering House Democrats took a trip to the land of make-believe.

    They pretended a small conference room was the Judiciary Committee hearing room,"

    Now Mr. Milbank and all the rest of us know the meaning of "pretend". Mr. Conyers was not pretending, au contraire, he referred to the location very frankly. Certainly if the subject of the room were important to Mr. Milbank, he would have told the reader the truth about why the hearing was there, rather than a falsehood about "pretending." I challenge Mr. Milbank to find in the transcript or the video any substantiation of his charges.  Putting flags up, or, for heaven's sake, putting a sheet over a bare table does not constitute pretending.  It is just trying to make the place a little nicer.

    Mr. Milbank's piece pretty much continues in the same vein, trivializing, trying to play a race card, and making light of experts and of the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq.

    Mr. Conyers' efforts have been seconded by 560,000 Americans.  He is trying to document the pretenses which took us into war, pretenses which the Washington Post has acknowledged everyone knew about.

    From reading Mr. Milbank's work over a period of time, I have come to the conclusion that he is writer of trivia, and to present his whimsy as serious writing or reporting is a disgrace to the Post.  Perhaps he would fit better on the Arts page. The Post, in my opinion, trivializes itself and misleads the public by assigning him, rather than a knowledgeable or skilled reporter, to cover important stories, and secondly, by  printing his flights of fancy as if it were reporting.

    The Washington Post stands nearly alone among major newspapers in this country in its attempts to trivialize both the Downing Street Memos and attempts by the public (many of whom are Democrats, certainly) to ascertain the facts of how we went to war in Iraq.  How far the Post has fallen....first to last.

    Perhaps, Mr. Getler, you would do me the kindness of writing an editorial explaining your idea of the role of the press in a democracy, and how, in particular, Mr. Milbanks' piece fits into that scheme.

    Sincerely,

    fouls, excesses and immoderate behavior are scored ZERO at Over the Line, Smokey!

    by seesdifferent on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:37:44 PM PST

  •  Many thanks Congressman! (none / 0)

    As long as you continue to seek the truth and speak out I for one will be with you. Well done!

    "We must learn to live together as brothers, or perish together as fools" - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by JayIsConfused on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:39:04 PM PST

  •  my e-mail to Milbank et al., FWIW: (4.00 / 9)

    I write to express my profound displeasure with Mr. Milbank's recent article, as well as the Post's coverage of the Downing Street minutes and memos ("DSM") recently (finally) brought to issue in the media.

    Mr. Milbank engages in a disparaging and grotesque display of half truths, omitted facts, incorrect assumptions, and condescending language in dismissing Mr. Conyer's "hearing" yesterday on the DSM. I will let Mr. Conyer's letter speak for itself on just how wrong this article is. (See http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/17/14206/1059). Of note, Mr. Milbank uses over-the-top condescension to portray the meeting as a joke, while omitting the key facts that the Republicans denied Mr. Conyers a room, denied him hearing, and went to great lengths to sabotage the forum. That, Mr. Milbank, is also news. At least, since you media types seem so concerned with "balance" (even if the balance is a blatant falsehood), you could at least have MENTIONED the circumstances of the forum.

    But I think Mr. Milbank's, and the Post's, coverage is even more troubling. These minutes, and this war, are serious issues. I am sorry that the Post finds it amusing when quaint democratically elected leaders question our government on the reasons we went to war, and the reasons 1700 US soldiers, and tens of thousands of innocent civilians, have died. But we should be questioning this. The Post should question the war, instead of covering its rear end for sloppy and unquestioning pre-war articles.

    I suggest the Post editors and writers take one afternoon or morning and visit the Walter Reed Army Medical Center. There, in the pained faces and bodies of disfigured, amputated, egregiously injured soldiers, you will be able to see the true costs of the war. While the Post may easily choose to ignore the newest body counts in Iraq, the injured will be with us for a long time. And they are only a five minute drive away. I am serious. Visit them. I dare you. And I dare you to write another article about these brave men and women.

    I am, as a loyal reader, very ashamed.

    In closing, perhaps these statements will remind you of what is at stake:

    "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." Thomas Jefferson.

    "Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost." Thomas Jefferson.

    "Our citizens may be deceived for a while & have been deceived; but as long as the presses can be protected, we may trust to them for light." Thomas Jefferson.

    "All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address (March 4, 1801).

    "It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from the government." Thomas Paine.

    "Our loyalty is due entirely to the United States. It is due to the President only and exactly to the degree in which he efficiently serves the United States. It is our duty to support him when he serves the United States well. It is our duty to oppose him when he serves it badly." Abraham Lincoln.

    "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln.

    "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President." Theodore Roosevelt.

    •  Excellent and add this one to your quotes list (4.00 / 2)

      "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt

      ..Got to admit it's getting better...A little better all the time. ~ Beatles

      by Terre on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:07:37 PM PST

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    •  "eternal vigilance" (none / 0)

      and we have faltered.

      such beautiful words.

      our country, our freedom.

      "conservatives are the worshipers of dead radicals".

      by gandalf on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 01:58:18 AM PST

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  •  We must go down to WHITEWASH POST's (none / 1)

    ...offices and take a stand. We demand some TRUTH.

    This is getting absurd.

    The Post is getting its talking points from Rove &

    Milbank is the BushAdmin's useful idiot.

    DANA MILBANK = STEPHEN GLASS

    'Tis better to Diebold...than to slink away quietly!

    by traitorbushchimp on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 02:54:53 PM PST

    •  WP (none / 1)

      Dear Congressman Conyers,

      Thank you for all you do. Thank you for your letter to the WP.

      It is understandable why the WP wants this whole issue to go away. They were complicit in Bush's lies. It takes a village to lie the country to war. WP and the rest of the Media Elite live in Bush's village. They covered for Bush's lies and don't want it to become an issue. After all if people wake up and realize Bush lied to them they will start asking why didn't the media tell me? So WP and the rest of the DC Media Elite want to bury DSM and "move on". Please don't let them Congressman Conyers.

      Funny how these people never wanted to "move on" during the Clinton pseudo scandals. The same journalists who were outraged over a president lying about his sex life now have no outrage towards a president whose lies have led to the deaths of thousands.

  •  Congressman Conyers, (none / 1)

    You are my hero.  Please continue your good work.  

    And. . . Thank You.

  •  Ah! The People of the United States (none / 1)

    May the myriads of citizens hear our message of hope and faith in the goodness of our country's people. If they but have ears to hear!
  •  I wrote a LTE to the Washington Post (none / 1)

    this afternoon, Rep. Conyers, saying that with this type of journalism, it appears that Milbank is either on the White House payroll or getting his talking points from Ron Mehlman.  I doubt they will print it!!

    We are all behind you!!!  

    My new bumper sticker: Palin-Satan '12

    by adigal on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:08:13 PM PST

  •  Barnett: "The War And Occupation In Iraq .... (4.00 / 2)

    ... Are Illegal."

    Congressman Conyers, I fax'd the following reference to your DC office:

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=388 5693&mesg_id=3885693

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0506/S00242.htm

    just in case you had not seen the article that Mr Barnett published today.

    It is interesting, now several weeks after the DSM was leaked, to re-read Mr Bonifaz's comments made more than a year ago, entitled "The First Lie":

    http://www.veteransforpeace.org/The_first_lie_012804.htm

    Thank you for all your fine leadership.

    Peace.

    http://www.missionnotaccomplished.us

  •  Said it before and I'll say it again. (none / 0)

    John Conyers is my President.

    Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, I'm a Freeper.

    by HollywoodOz on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:19:10 PM PST

  •  My letter to the Washington Post (4.00 / 2)

    I'm pretty sure you'll get a number of emails on this subject, so let me just add my number to the tally.
    You're article on the DSM hearing on Thursday is shameful. It is as if you had not even been there, nor have seen it on tv, or heard it on radio in its entirety. It also seems as if you did not even do the basic research in understanding the context of the hearings.
    For shame, I had never believed such an era of bankruptcy in journalism in all my life, until now

    *I'd definitely support a boycott of the WaPo and its advertisers. The newspaper business is in financial trouble already, they would be wary in dissembling, omitting, and otherwise participating in shoddy journalism

    Tin Soldiers and Nixon coming, we're finally on our own...CSNY Downing Street Memo, you know what to do

    by LibAvenger on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:19:54 PM PST

  •  send all rants here (none / 0)

    it may be posted above, i'm not sure (i just got home and don't feel like wading through 260-some posts), but sent nice little email to milbank at this address:  milbankd@washpost.com

    also cc:'ed wapo editor at:  letters@washpost.com

    and Mr. conyers at:  John.Conyers@mail.house.gov

    "Those who had the chance for 4 years and could not produce peace should not be given another chance" - Nixon

    by dukeraoul on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:23:42 PM PST

  •  Keep up the great work!! (none / 0)

  •  John Conyers for President!!!! (4.00 / 4)

    Mr. Conyers I can't thank you enough for everything you are doing for our country.

    After the impeachment of George W. Bush et. al. I will be able to do something I have been unable to do for more than 4 years.  Once again proudly fly the American flag from the back of my boat.

    Here is the text of the letter that I sent to the Washington Post.  I think it speaks for itself!

    I just read your piece of shit article about the hearings on the Downing Street Minutes that took place yesterday.  To bad you chose to once again try to defend the criminal activities of our current Administration rather than cover the facts and important information that was presented yesterday.  Your story was so pathetic, at first I wasn't sure you were even discussing the same hearing.

    It boggles my mind how people who are supposed to be reporting the truth, you and the rest of the main stream media, seem to go to any extent possible to cover up the actions of the criminals who occupy the White House.  Your story contained a number of flat out lies and was so outrageously biased that I thought it must have been written by FOX news.

    I believe it is no longer a question of whether George W. Bush & Company will be impeached because of their false claims that took our country to an illegal war, but simply a matter of when.  After the impeachment is behind us, myself and the other 560,000 signatories to that letter demanding answers from the administration will become millions.  We will then be demanding that all of those who were complicit in these false claims be tried as war criminals, either here in the United States or in an international forum.

    You failed to ask the tough questions in the run up to this illegal war, questions that could have exposed there were no WMD's, that there was no nuclear program in Iraq, that there were no ties between Saddam Hussein and Al-Quida, questions that could have stopped this country from engaging in this illegal war, but instead you chose to march lockstep with the criminals in the White House.  The millions who will very soon be demanding the impeachment and war crimes trials will not forget those in the media who were willing accomplices to this illegal and immoral war.

    It is my hope Dana Milbank, that you will be found to be one of those willing accomplices and also be tried as an accomplice to those war crimes.  I will surely do everything in my power to see that you and others in the media who have falsely reported and supported this war by providing cover to this administration and continued to perpetuate the lies surrounding the reasons for going to war are prosecuted for your involvement and cover-up.

    I truly believe that if democracy is to continue and flourish in this country, we need to hold our press and media accountable for their actions.  Just as we hold a doctor liable for negligence or malpractice, we should also hold our media to those same levels of accountability.  Those who knowingly and willfully abuse their positions by providing lies, misinformation and misrepresentation of facts and then portray it as news, should be tried for crimes against the people of the United States.  This would most certainly include the likes of Rush Slimebaugh, Sean Insanity and without question, Dana Milbank!!

    There!!!  I feel much better now!!!!

    Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

    by reflectionsv37 on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:44:28 PM PST

  •  Go Congressman Conyers! (none / 0)

    Well done! Keep up the fight!

    "Scrutinize the bill, it is you who must pay it...You must take over the leadership." - Brecht

    by pedestrian xing on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:48:19 PM PST

  •  I love you! (none / 1)

    I love you!
    I love you!
    I love you!
    I love you!

    I haven't felt this good since the election.
    There is hope after all.

  •  Run for president.... (n/t) (none / 0)

    Truckle the Uncivil, Nullus Anxietas Sanguinae. Economic Left/Right: -3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

    by Truckle on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:56:04 PM PST

  •  Contact the editors (4.00 / 2)

    of the WaPo, and demand Milbank be fired.  

    Contact them collectively:

    abramowitz@washpost.com, deyoungk@washpost.com, hadarm@washpost.com, robertgkaiser@yahoo.com, kingc@washpost.com, leenj@washpost.com, leducd@washpost.com, robertsl@washpost.com, sarasohnj@washpost.com, fedpage@washpost.com, woodwardb@washpost.com, milbankd@washpost.com

    Or individually:

    Michael Abramowitz: abramowitz@washpost.com
    National editor

    Karen DeYoung: deyoungk@washpost.com
    Associate editor

    Mary Hadar: hadarm@washpost.com
    Assistant managing editor/front page features

    Robert G. Kaiser: robertgkaiser@yahoo.com
    Associate Editor

    Colbert I. King: kingc@washpost.com
    Editorial page deputy editor, columnist

    Jeff Leen: leenj@washpost.com
    Assistant Managing Editor/Investigations

    Daniel LeDuc: leducd@washpost.com
    Deputy national editor/out of town reporters

    Larry Roberts: robertsl@washpost.com
    Investigations editor

    Judy Sarasohn: sarasohnj@washpost.com, fedpage@washpost.com
    Deputy national editor/federal page

    Bob Woodward: woodwardb@washpost.com
    Assistant managing editor, reporter

    Dana Milbank: milbankd@washpost.com
    National staff writer

    My heroes have the heart to live the life I want to live.

    by JLFinch on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:57:49 PM PST

  •  William F. Buckley Prepared to Jump Ship (none / 1)

    "One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity nothing beats teamwork." - Mark Twain

    by greendem on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:10:17 PM PST

    •  Great find! (none / 1)

      A respect for the power of the United States is engendered by our success in engagements in which we take part. A point is reached when tenacity conveys not steadfastness of purpose but misapplication of pride. It can't reasonably be disputed that if in the year ahead the situation in Iraq continues about as it has done in the past year, we will have suffered more than another 500 soldiers killed. Where there had been skepticism about our venture, there will then be contempt.
  •  The problem here (4.00 / 3)

    The larger problem here is the media: specifically that the media is demonstrably an arm of the Bush Administration and the most corrupt and malignant wing of the Republican Party.

    If the Democrats are ever able to regain any political power in this country, a good first step will be the breakup of the media trusts, the decentralization of the media, and the de-corporatization of the media.  It's not just Fox News.  As far as I can ascertain, ALL the corporate media outlets are just as bad.  If anything, I think CNN has sometimes shown itself to be WORSE than Fox, especially during the Schiavo clusterfuck.

    If the truth never comes out about this administration, and if this administration and its Republican legislative allies are never held accountable, the corporate media should bear the entirety of the blame.

    If the truth somehow DOES come out one day, it's my guess that it will come by way of a source other than the corporate media, and likely IN SPITE OF efforts by that media to suppress or distort the truth.

    Thank you, Congressman Conyers.

    -Anne

    JUST SAY NO TO HILLIEBERMAN!!! "The truth is there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?" ---"V"---

    by asskicking annie on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:17:50 PM PST

  •  Thank you for this (none / 0)

    and all your efforts over the last many years to defend our democracy against this crass and criminal adminsitration.
  •  my letter ... the last line is THE BEST! (none / 0)

    Editors:  The article that you published yesterday from Dana Milbank was a perfect example of the "soft" reporting that MSM has fallen to.  The points that Milbank missed and got wrong are so many and of such importance.  For example, did Milbank explain why this special hearing was being held and why it was held in a room in basement of the Senate?  NO. Did he explain why Representative Conyers was addressed as "Mr. Chairman"?  NO. And in case you haven't done your research, BECAUSE HE EARNED THAT TITLE. Did he report that Cindy Sheehan, mother of Casey Sheehan, KIA in Iraq was the founder of Gold Star Families for Peace?  NO.  Did he report on her testimony?  NO.  Did he do any background check of her?  NO.  Ms. Sheehan gave a wonderful speach on Wednesday in Kentucky where she explained what real hard work was.  Did Milbank show her any respect?  NO.  Did he show respect to the ultimate sacrifice she has given for this war?  NO.  Did he extend any courtesy or respect to the other speakers, Ray McGovern or  Joe Wilson?  NO.  Did he explain their giant sacrifices and leadership roles for this country?  NO.  Did he report the personal attacks from the administration for Mr. Wilson's not agreeing? NO. Did he find out who that person at the end of the special hearing was and the significant sacrifices she (Mary Ann Wright) a (35  year representing the United States, a retired Colonel) made for this country and the importance of what she had to say?  NO. Did he report that the case of impeachment against President Bush laid out by John Bonifaz is nonpartisan, it is the constitutional thing to do when a President has deceived Americans and put our lifeblood, our future in harm's way?  NO.  

    Editors, I've done my research on Mr. Milbank.  I have found that he reports nothing.  He writes fiction based on real life.  If I wanted to read a lazy novelist, I'd read the Reader's Digest.

    Sincerely,
    Francine Simmons
    Tampa, FL

  •  Thank You Congressman Conyers (none / 1)

    I tried. Just an email, but hopefully it helps raise the noise level. Thanks to all of you, and especially Congressman Conyers, for your persistence. (And thanks to all the previous letter writers for the inspiration.)

    =============
    Dear Mr. Getler and Mr. Milbank:

    Re: Dana Milbanks' editorial RE: The Downing Street Memo [Democrats Play House to Rally Against the War June 17, 2005]

    If you simply had to spend time making fun of this event, it would have been nice to have actually covered it first. Why did you not, at the very least, mention that originally the Republican majority refused to make any meeting space available, and then ultimately assigned the hearing to a basement room? And could you not have mentioned some of the speakers, their credentials and concerns?

    Along with many of the other 560,000 signers of Congressman Conyers' petition, I am sorry that the Post finds it amusing when democratically elected leaders try to investigate the reasons we went to war. Your article also ridiculed about 122 US Representatives who co-signed Conyers' letter to Bush. It ridiculed Cindy Sheehan and the families of the other 1,716 soldiers that have died, not to mention many thousands of Iraqis, tragically including innocent civilians.

    The document more properly called the "Downing Street Minutes" is only one piece of the puzzle. There is enough evidence available that perhaps an actual investigative journalist would be able to connect the dots, as it were. Instead, we seem afflicted with a memory deficit, in which we are unable to recognize how willfilly misled we have allowed ourselves to become over the past few years.

    Once again, foreign news sources did a better job of reporting on this hearing, as they are now doing on a regular basis, while we are busy with the Michael Jackson trial and snarky comments about table linens. Isn't this getting embarrassing?

    Shame on the Post for publishing no serious coverage of a scandal that has the attention of the rest of the English-speaking world. You have further damaged the reputation of a once fine newspaper.

    Incidentally, I look forward to your publication of Conyers' response, with or without the apology that it should, by rights, elicit.

    Sincerely.....

  •  Thank you, Congressman (none / 0)

    Allow me to add my voice to so many others in expressing my utmost appreciation & highest respect for your continuing work.
    We're entirely ready to assist you however possible.
    I've been in touch with my email list on the Post article, with special emphasis on those who read & depend on it as a primary news source -- I'm sure they tend to be subscribers & hopefully will make mention of their support for the paper in their correspondence.
  •  If the tables were turned (none / 0)

    Yes if this was a Republican hearing and the Democrats tried everything to interrupt it, then I gaurantee the headline would of been "Democrats Show Their Hate of our Military".
    Just the fact that not only a member of the panel was the mother of a fallen soldier, but that numerouse other loved ones of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice in this war, were there to show their support should show to anyone the importance of this hearing. But yet that was not reported once in this article.
    I have watched the hearing in its entirety twice now and watched pieces of it over and over again and the only truly factual thing I could find in the article is that the meeting was held in a small room in the basement of the capital. Even that was made to sound like it was the fault of the Democrats.
    This article is a total sham and Dana Milbanks appears to be the up and coming next Bill O'LIelly
  •  Thank you, once again, Congressman Conyers. (none / 0)

    Here is my letter to the Washington Post:

    Having just finished reading his "article", I have to say that if I was in a room with Dana Milbanks right now, I'd give him a smack right across the face!  How dare him speak about Congressman Conyers that way!  Congressman Conyers is one of a very small group of true statesman.  He speaks for me.  He speaks for millions of us.

    Dana Milbanks' condescending coverage of Congressman Conyers' hearing yesterday is inexcusable.  This quote from his article, "They pretended a small conference room was the Judiciary Committee hearing room, draping white linens over folding tables to make them look like witness tables and bringing in cardboard name tags and extra flags to make the whole thing look official." is just horrible!  He chose to make fun of the room where Congressman Conyers was forced to hold the hearing without bothering to report that the Republican leadership would not allow him to use any other room.   And the Republicans scheduled a ridiculous amount of votes to coincide with the hearing.  Hmm... why would they do that if they they had nothing to hide?  If Milbanks were any kind of a reporter, he'd have asked himself that question.

    And this from his article, "Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) banged a large wooden gavel and got the other lawmakers to call him "Mr. Chairman." He liked that so much that he started calling himself "the chairman" and spouted other chairmanly phrases, such as "unanimous consent" and "without objection so ordered." and also this "'At the next hearing," he told his colleagues, "we could use a little subpoena power.'"  were obviously sarcasms directed at Sensenbrennar for his lame excuse for refusing to allow the Democrats to hold anymore hearings and also for his refusal to hold any "real" hearings on the subject.   Duh!  Does Milbanks keep up with the news at all?  

    After insulting Congressman Conyers and the other Democratic Congressmen and Congresswomen who were there, Milbanks goes on to totally misrepresent what went on.  I learned a lot of new things.  I found Mr. McGovern's timeline especially interesting.  I think your readers would find it fascinating.  

    People flew here from Europe to attend that meeting!  People stuck their necks way out to testify for Congressman Conyers.   I cried when Cindy Sheehan spoke.  All the witnesses are brave, patriotic Americans who testified about very important things that the American people deserve to know.  

    It is not every day that 200 people protest, along with many members of Congress, in front of the White House.  There were 560,000 signatures on that petition.  We were all anxiously waiting to see Congressman Conyers deliver it to the White House.  When he tried, the White House refused entry to members of the United States Congress, which resulted in anti-Bush chanting right outside the White House!  And your so-called journalist doesn't bother to report it?

    I cannot believe this is the same newspaper that broke the Watergate story!  What has become of you?  How have you managed to sink so low?  I bet Bob Woodward is embarrassed.   Does some rich Republican own your paper or something?  I do not understand this.  I thought you were supposed to be the opposite of Washington Times.  

    Your readers learned nothing from this article.  It's pure propoganda.  We all learned in high school that it is the job of a journalist to report the Where, What, Why, When and Who without inserting their own opinions into the story.  Milbanks, plain and simple, is not a journalist.  I see no reason why he should be employed as one.

    I'm sorry you were treated so badly.  I was watching you during the hearing and trying to imagine you as President of the United States.  Not hard at all.  I would be so proud to send you out to the world to represent me.  I know.  You only want to be Chairman of the Judiciary Committee.  I promise, I'll do what I can to make that happen.  Gotta' get rid of Reynolds next year!

  •  Thank you, Congressman Conyers, (none / 0)

    not only for this forum, but for your work in Ohio after the 2004 election, and all the other times you've taken the stance for truth against the Republican Goliath.
    My email goes to the Washington Post this evening.

    Peace,
    Rosel

  •  CSM coverage (none / 1)

    I apologize for the length of this post, but I am hoping to catch all of you great letter writers while this diary is #1.

    Michael Kinsley's column from June 12 was reprinted in the Christian Science Monitor yesterday, June 16, the day of the Congressman Conyers' hearing.  

    I am so disappointed in this generally good publication, and I also am not sure it was a coincidence it ran Kinsley's column on June 16.  I am a new subscriber and don't know if MK is a frequent contributor of if they just reached out and grabbed this after several phone calls.  I also don't know if they have published anything else re DSM.  

    I'm posting this so others will write.  Please write.

    Contact form and links to staff

    As I looked for addresses to write to - on their home page was a link to this story:

    See what you think.  Maybe they've received letters.  It's a start.

    "Is 'Downing Street Memo' a smoking gun?
    Bush critics say it shows he lied to Americans about Iraq, but others say memo offers nothing new."
    By Tom Regan | csmonitor.com
    Tom Regan Web form to email.

    "President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and some media outlets, dismiss its importance, but the so-called 'Downing Street Memo' seems to be gathering increasing public attention."

  •  Thank You CHAIRMAN Conyers (none / 1)

    I read the whole letter, nice english on that particular dig at Milbank.

    Why on earth did Milbank do this? How could his editors allow it to be printed? If he wanted to deride/denigrate the hearings he could have done so without all the snarky comments, insults and other fabrications as expertly summarized in your letter to the Post.

    Again thanks, Chairman Conyers, check's in the mail. Let's, everyone who is like minded, make sure that Chairman Conyers has an adequate war chest to fight off the inevitable assault by the GOP in '06. One thing that's always true, money talks.

    Okay now I'm going back to addressing you as "Congressman" or "Mr." Keep up all your good work, I streamed the hearing at work and 3 people followed it with me for at least 1 hour. They were clueless about the DSMinutes before the hearing now they're not!

  •  Thank you, Congressman Conyers (none / 0)

    You are our hero. You are fighting honorably for our democracy and Constitution against a vicious empire.
  •  My LTE (4.00 / 4)

    I am not very good at these things but this is what I sent...

    Sir/Madam,
     I am stunned at the demeaning and false claims made in the article by Mr. Milbanks titled "Democrats play house to rally against war" this errors and omissions in this article are so many it is astounding.

     I will begin with the errors:

    1. This was not a rally against the war, it was an attempt to get at the truth of why we went to war in Iraq.
    2.  This was not a "mock impeachment inquiry" if Milbanks found in his opinion that the evidence presented would be such that could constitute a possible Presidential Impeachment perhaps he should have added that caveat.  
    3. I found it very disrespectful to call members of Congress "playmates"
    4. The members of this forum were not responsible for the people Milbanks call "activists" were handing out or wearing.
    5. How can an "accidentally" turned off light,knocked over flag be considered a "free-for-all"?

    Now for the omissions:
    1. No mention that the DSM were accurate minutes of what occurred at the meetings stated within.
    2. No mention that these documents have been authenticated.
    3. No mention that 122 other Congressperson's have signed Congressman Conyers' letter/petition.
    4. No mention that 560,000 Americans have signed that letter/petition.
    5. No mention that the reason  Congressman Conyers et al were thrown in the basement is because the Republican leadership refused to give them any other room and that was not reported.
     There are probably more items I am missing but I am sure others will be sure to let you know. I am a Mother whose only young Son has been deployed to Iraq and very probably will go back again I demand the truth!

    "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality." --Dante

    by arkdem on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 06:41:50 PM PST

  •  so eloquent a response (none / 0)

    Thank you Mr. Conyers for the grace and fire of your convictions.  You do us proud, as a people, by voicing your principles and standing for what your conscience tells you to cry out against.
  •  Not much... (none / 0)

    I check the NY Times and my local the News ribune and saw little about the forum event.  Also little about the Kucinich event.  My local had it on page A3 and the NY Times on A10 .. I believe.

    Please keep it going!  PUSH and we will help PUSH... We will also watch your back!

    Thank You SIR!

  •  You're a TRUE LEADER! (none / 0)

    Thank you Congressman!!!!

    Can you provide a link with the names of the 104  US Representatives who appeared at you hearing and/or signed your Downing Street Memo petition to demand answers from the Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America, as to whether he misled Congress with bogus intelligence to justify war with Iraq?  

    (eh, I got the message! ;)

    I saw my Representative!!  You also announced his name and I'm proud that he supported you and justice! :)

    Thank you, Honorable Congressman Chris Van Hollen

    Thank you again!! Honorable Congressman John Conyers

    ...for your leadership!!!!

    --------------------------------

    Why do rightwing conservative idealogues hate freedom & democracy?

    by Knightrider on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 07:18:43 PM PST

  •  Why does Dana Milbank Hate America? (none / 0)

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics" - F.D.R.

    by biscobosco on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 07:25:45 PM PST

  •  Sir, I am in your debt. Military Family here, and (4.00 / 3)

    your courage in continuing to step up to the plate is admirable and honorable to our troops and their families.  The Hearing on Downing Street Minutes, giving the military families Voice with Cindy Sheehan and knowing you Will follow up and keep your eye on moving this forward.

    The 2 loved ones in our family, combat Iraq veterans, having served are facing 2nd deployments to Iraq.  

    I wear the hat of Military Families Speak Out and I do so, and I do NOT want to wear the dual hat of having to add Cindy's Gold Star Families for Peace.  I do NOT want to see our 2 loved ones go to Iraq a second time....the implications are too fearful to begin to embrace.

    I am familiar with Cindy, deeply in her debt for the work she does so that other mothers/parents do  not have to swell the membership ranks as Parents of Fallen Soldiers.

    Please keep up your fine work; your work has given this weary heart hope.  Decency, Dignity, Integrity; that is how I viewed being an American.  I want it back.

    Thank you Congressman Conyers and all your Colleagues who have supported the effort.  

    On the Surge in Iraq "--we have set the bar so low it's buried in the sand at this point." - Barack Obama

    by dyingwarriors on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 07:31:36 PM PST

  •  Sacramento Bee headline and story more balanced (4.00 / 2)

    First, thank you Congressman Conyers.  In spite of all the challenges, you continue to be a true statesman -- someone all of us can look to when challenged to find heroes.

    Now, onto the Sacramento Bee article, 'Downing Street memo' spotlighted in Congress

    I will have to choose my paragraphs carefully, trying to observe the 4-paragraph copyright limit.

    The opening is pretty solid, especially compared to WaPo:

    House Democrats opposed to the Iraq war came together Thursday to draw more public attention to the so-called "Downing Street memo," the British government document that advised Prime Minister Tony Blair that President Bush was determined to invade Iraq nearly a year before the war was launched.

    At an event in the Capitol, House Democrats pointed out that the memo, first reported in the London Sunday Times on May 1, a few weeks before the British election, got scant attention in U.S. newspapers or broadcasts until liberal bloggers castigated the U.S. press for not exposing inconsistent Bush statements on the war.

    I think it's a touch dismissive, feeding the meme of this only being "anti-war" and motivated solely to bring attention to the Downing Street Memo Minutes.  I think we need to watch for this, and keep the focus on this being about the POTUS lying to Congress, the American people, the UN and the world as justification for war against a sovereign nation -- not just pesky anti-war Democrats who are only looking to hurt Bush politically.

    In strong contrast to WaPo, the author DOES show that the US Senate, led by Senator Reid, are also shining light on this, and nicely ties it into the Bolton nomination.

    Next comes background, and provides quotes from McClellan, Bush, and Blair.

    The article then drops a nice paragraph (much different than WaPo):

    Though many major U.S. newspapers and broadcast outlets were fully aware of the British memo, few reported on it at any length. Some editors have subsequently offered explanations.

    Bam!  The author then goes on to directly quote the weak statements from the NY Times and WaPo, and finally closes with a statement about AP:

    The Associated Press, which many U.S. newspapers rely upon heavily for foreign coverage, virtually ignored the memo after its London publication. Deborah Stewart, AP's international editor, said in a reported statement: "There is no question AP dropped the ball in not picking up on the Downing Street memo sooner."

    All in all, a very balanced article in my opinion.  I appreciate the direct quotes from Bush and Blair, and what their positions are.  It discusses the lack of media coverage, and quotes two major media players' response -- and closes with the AP's response.

    And now on to write them a letter saying they did a good job, and that I appreciate the balanced approach.

    The only force that can overcome an idea and a faith is another and better idea and faith, positively and fearlessly upheld. Dorothy Thompson.

    by Intellectually Curious on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 07:33:56 PM PST

    •  The Mcclatchy Company (none / 0)

      owns many newspapers, including the Sacramento Bee.  Although Mr. O'Rourke is published in many McClatchy papers as from the "Washington Bureau", the Minneapolis-St. Paul Star Tribune (McClatchy's largest paper) ran the Dana Milbank version of Thursday's hearings instead!

      The only force that can overcome an idea and a faith is another and better idea and faith, positively and fearlessly upheld. Dorothy Thompson.

      by Intellectually Curious on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 07:50:33 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  My letter to the Sacramento Bee: (none / 0)

      Mr. O'Rourke:

      Thank you for your article "'Downing Street memo' spotlighted in Congress", published in the Sacramento Bee June 17, 2005.  I found it to be very fair and balanced, even if I might have a few quibbles here and there.

      Overall I think you did an excellent job, providing background and specifically mentioning some things noticeably missing from much of the coverage I have seen about Thursday's hearings.  You wrote that the Senator Reid has mentioned the Downing Street Minutes in the United States Senate, and thank you for accurately portraying Senator Reid's tie to the Bolton nomination -- excellent context.  I also appreciate writing of the lack of coverage provided by much of the U.S. media, and specifically quoting the Washington Post, N.Y. Times and AP responses.  To provide fairness to the President and Prime Minister Blair, you also provided their specific quotes and positions on this issue.

      In the opening paragraph, you mention that this was brought about by "House Democrats opposed to the Iraq war."  I am confident that if you were to ask each of the House Representatives in attendance their positions on the Iraq war, you would probably find them to be opposed.  However, I believe that the issues that were raised in Thursday's hearing go beyond simply being against the Iraq war, and that readers may dismiss all that follows because of an assumption that this is all being put on by those opposed to the Iraq war.  I believe you could be in favor of the Iraq war, but still feel that the President of the United States lied to the American people, to Congress, to the United Nations, and to the world and should be held accountable.  I believe it is the strategy of the President to justify his actions by pointing out the removal from office of Saddam Hussein and in doing so the people of Iraq are better off.  To me, that is a separate issue, to be decided on its own merits.  The hearings held by Representative Conyers and the others are focusing on whether the President had made the decision to go to war far earlier than he has admitted to, and used selective intelligence to mislead.  Using words such as "opposed to the Iraq war", "bloggers", "liberal" is probably factually accurate, though by placing those words into this article I believe you allow the prime focus - the lying and misuse of intelligence by the President of the United States - to be shifted instead to whether someone is opposed to the war or not.

      The article was very good, especially when compared to some of the coverage I have seen elsewhere.  I thank you for writing it, Mr. O'Rourke and thank you, Sacramento Bee for publishing it.  My only concern is that we do not allow loaded words to distract from the main investigation Representative Conyers is attempting to conduct - a challenging task given the Republican control of the White House and both houses of Congress.

      I will be following up with a shorter "Letter to the Editor", expressing my feelings in a more succinct way, according to the policies for such submissions.

      Sincerely,

      xxxxxx

      The only force that can overcome an idea and a faith is another and better idea and faith, positively and fearlessly upheld. Dorothy Thompson.

      by Intellectually Curious on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 08:27:16 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  94% think that Bush is misleader... (none / 1)

    Live Vote on MSNBC, see
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8248969/#survey
    Question: Do you believe President Bush misled the
     nation in order to go to war with Iraq?
    MSNBC poll got 36352 responses    (10:50pm, 6/17/05)

    with: 94% said Yes (sic!) and only 6% said No

    Now: this is very different from election results...

  •  All of you guys (none / 1)

    make me so proud to be an American I'm literally in tears. The tide is turning and I'm so grateful that we have the Internet to be together in this.

    Rep Conyers, you are a true patriot and you know anything you need us to do, we're here for you!

    So, a friend over on CCN had an excellent question and I know someone here will have the answer.

    Who were the 104 Reps who signed and/or appeared with Rep Conyers at the hearing? Even though they are just doing their job, in today's climate they are showing spine and deserve our thanks! Does anyone know where we could find out?

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right. --Hunter/Garcia

    by jen on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 07:55:19 PM PST

  •  God Bless You Mr. Conyers! (none / 0)

    You give us reason to believe that good will prevail!

    Fight until there are jobs, healthcare, and peace. --Kwickkick

    by oslo on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 08:02:40 PM PST

  •  Mr. Chairman (none / 0)

    I'm with you.  Thank you.

    "Language is the liquid that we're all dissolved in. Great for solving problems after it creates them." --Isaac Brock, indie rocker imitating wittgenstein

    by Beyondo98 on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 08:09:24 PM PST

  •  Thank you again, Sir.. You are my honorary and (none / 0)

    honored representative!
    Thank you for leading the charge.
    DO NOT LET THEM IGNORE YOU!

    I am pro-life. Bring our troops home ALIVE!

    by Doc Allen on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 08:12:08 PM PST

  •  Old School (none / 1)

    Milbank went to Yale with Bush -- as they say, class will tell...

    I don't know where Rep Conyers went to school, but it would seem apparent that his education served him much better; if he'd gone to Yale with Milbank & Bush, I'm sure the article would have been less snarky, but then if he was in that old boy network he would never have had the bad form to bring up this matter in the first place.

  •  Why only those pamphlets- ask Howard Dean. (none / 0)

    "Many, many different pamphlets were being passed out at the overflow room, including pamphlets about getting out of the Iraq war and anti-Central American Free Trade Agreement, and it is puzzling why Milbank saw fit to only mention the one he did."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050618/ap_on_re_us/downing_street_memo_dean;_ylt=AgO8JJ57vNIobYIyOa1BGl 6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2bW85OXIzBHNlYwNwbA--

    If there is anything I have learned from Scooby Doo, it is that the only thing to fear is crooked real estate developers.

    by JakeC on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 08:27:54 PM PST

  •  and main stream media (none / 1)

    wonder why people are now turning to the blogs in droves to get their news.

    More and more it seems like in order for reporters to hold on to their jobs, they tow the line without any care for truth and justice. Dana Milbanks and the WAPo should be ashamed of themselves.

    There is no respect in journalism anymore. Thousands of people, including Americans, Iraqis and others from countries around the world have died because of sheer lie -- only to have discussions about this trivialized.

    Instead of discussing such pertinent issues, the MSM is filled with powder puff issues.

    Everyday Americans are dying at the hand of insurgents, another genocide in Sudan forges on, but such coverage by the MSM is marginalized.

    This morning, while listening to the Today Show, I had about all I could take. The show actually dispatched a reporter to follow Tom Cruise around while he promoted his new movie.

    You have people losing their homes everyday in this country, poverty is on the rise and you choose to track a millionaire around the world simply because you want to be the first to get the scoop on whether or not he proposes to his girlfriend?

    I turned my TV off and have sworn off the circus. Except for Olberman, I will continue to look to the blogs and other international news for my information.

    Thank you CHAIRMAN Conyers for your tireless efforts to bring some dignity and respect back to the American people.

  •  If Milbank (none / 0)

    read the minutes and watched the hearing, then submitted for publication today's article he should be out of a job.  The article is nothing more than a public airing of obvious personal political snivling and poor 'sportsmanship'.
    I stopped linking to WP and NYT content months ago.  Give them the attention they deserve....none!  Focus on outlets who are doing good work.  The "papers of record" are going the way of GM...oblivion.  It's of their own doing, too.  I sure do miss K. Graham!
  •  Thank you again, Congressman. (none / 0)

    You make us so very proud, sir! :o) Keep fighting them; it's working...
  •  I felt sick reading Milbank's snide article (none / 0)

    I couldn't believe that that was how the Washington Post would cover such an important event.  
    Your letter to the Post sets the record straight.  Hopefully they'll print it in its entirety.
    Personally, I believe the Post owes you an apology.  I would not accept an one, however, from Dana Milbank.  An apology from a man who would write that article doesn't deserve to be believed.
    Thank you for what you're doing.
  •  You are a Prince among toads Congressman... (none / 0)

    Your eloquent letter to the Whipping(sic) Post is the finest example of 'pearls before swine' I've seen in a while, maybe ever.

    The disgraceful way you and your colleagues were treated by the Republicans and the press says volumes about the character of the these scum.

    This will make the eventual victory that much sweeter, I believe.

    We will not let this go away.

    Count on my continued support, Congressman and Thank You!

    "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

    by general tso on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 09:45:34 PM PST

  •  E-mail these Washington Post people (none / 0)

    Tell them what you think. Some of the below people aren't necessarily guilty in this story, but they are good people to send e-mail. It is their paper too.

    ombudsman@washpost.com
    cohenr@washpost.com
    meyersonh@washpost.com
    davidbroder@washpost.com
    woodwardb@washpost.com

    "This trial is a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." Fielding Mellish

    by Bailey Savings and Loan on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 10:02:19 PM PST

  •  Here is my letter to WaPo (none / 1)

    The Washington Post should be ashamed of themselves for printing a slanderous story by Dana Milbank regarding the Downing Street Memo hearings chaired by Congressman Conyers.

    The only possible way for the Post to save its integrity is to publish John Conyers fine letter on the front page of the Sunday edition of the Post.

    Of course I don't expect your integrity-challenged paper to do the right thing, considering your obvious lack of judgment in printing Milbank's trash in the first place.

    I feel sorry that you guys got sucked into President Bush's lies in the lead up to the war, but that doesn't mean you can ignore reality and hurl mud at a true patriot like John Conyers.

    You should be ashamed of yourselves.

    What happened to the paper that made me proud to be an American in the 70s?

    "This trial is a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." Fielding Mellish

    by Bailey Savings and Loan on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 10:04:00 PM PST

  •  R-E-S-P-E-C-T (none / 0)

    =Conyers.

    Sock it to 'em, Sir.

  •  The fact (none / 0)

    that the hearing was held in such a small quarters lent a kind of intimacy that wouldn't have been possible otherwise. It was great to watch and I couldn't help but feel an enormous sense of pride.

    Thank you for the great work you're doing, Mr Conyers.

  •  Good Job (none / 0)

    Hey folks,

    I've been polking around this site for the last week or so, and I have to say, you guys did a tremendous job cracking the MSM shell on the DSMs.

    Kudos to all of you and to Representative Conyers!

    I intend to hang out!

    Peace

    As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. - Mr. Carlson

    by Karmafish on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:37:34 PM PST

  •  The detractors will cry foul, (none / 0)

    based upon free speech rights. But this should be framed in the correct manner. Since media outlets use public air ways, which are supposed to be in the interest of the public, they need to be held to a higher standard.

    When it comes to using the public airways, I call for "Quality Speech."

    Quality speech means that everyone will still have their say but it will have to be properly qualified and factually checked. Which removes the 'he said, she said' nature of the current media. Which is also what is allowing the spin to come through as the media is discouraged from challenging the opinions of either side.

    When it comes down to it though, what argument tops the desire to guarantee that free speech is protected, but that truth and factually correct information is also made to be provided so that the public really knows what it needs to know.

  •  We Demand Accountability. (none / 1)

    Keep Talking. Keep Talking. Keep Talking.
    Everyone (EVERYONE!) Keep Talking!

    Thank you Mr. Conyers.

    DAYS

  •  Who needs the WAPO (none / 0)

    Sorry for the wiggly graph. Just slowly move your head back and forth while reading and it'll straighten out.... or not. Here's where I got the info:

    http://www.press-release-writing.com/distribution-lists/bus-fin-newspapers.htm

    The Wall Street Journal Daily   NY      1,762,751
    USA Today              Daily      VA      1,692,666
    The New York Times      Daily      NY      1,149,576
    Los Angeles Times      Daily      CA      1,033,399
    Washington Post      Daily      DC      812,559
    Daily News              Daily      NY      704,463
    Chicago Tribune      Daily      IL      674,603
    Newsday              Daily      NY      576,345
    Houston Chronicle      Daily      TX      546,799
    Chicago Sun-Times      Daily      IL      482,234
    Boston Globe              Daily      MA      477,074
    www.dailykos.com        Daily   USA     470,000 visits per day
    San Francisco Chronicle Daily      CA      456,742
    Rocky Mountain News      Daily      CO      446,465
    The Arizona Republic      Daily      AZ      433,296
    Denver Post              Daily      CO      413,730
    Star Tribune        Daily      MN      410,564
    The Star-Ledger      Daily      NJ      407,129
    The Orange Cnty Reg.      Daily      CA      368,523
    Detroit Free Press      Daily      MI      365,145
    Miami Herald              Daily      FL      356,238
    Yankee Trader       Daily      NY      269,52

    "...an admirable evasion of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish disposition to the charge of a star!"

    King Lear

    by Norwell on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 01:38:40 AM PST

    •  Unfortunately (none / 0)

      That's not really a great example, because DailyKos is made up of people that are already politically active and Dem leaning . Your average Joe and Jane Smith (not politically active, but they vote) might be a Republican reading the Washington Post and concerned when they read an article (actually, there isn't one there) on the Downing Street memo though. It may have more of an impact on them there, than if they read it here...since they probably don't visit this site.  
      •  Of course... (none / 1)

        I just meant that eventually we should shut down the WAPO and New York Times and replace them with more honest media.

        Time might not be now as 2006 approaches and shutting down two major papers is a very liberal/leftist move. Might freak out some people... and we don't have to the time to inform people other than through these outlets.... God help us.

        But in the end, we can't allow corporations to lie us into wars and then lie to keep us in them. That would be silly...

        "...an admirable evasion of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish disposition to the charge of a star!"

        King Lear

        by Norwell on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 03:35:53 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Ours is a moral and just cause! (none / 0)

    Congressman Conyers,

    You have displayed courage and leadership throughout your lifetime by drawing strength from your convictions.  You are a tireless patriot...an authentic hero.  Thank you for all that you do!

    Truth is our most powerful weapon!

    Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.-Einstein

    by fooj on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 02:46:52 AM PST

  •   My Washout Post Letter (none / 0)

    Sheesh Dana, I am sure you have bills to pay and see your career flashing before your eyes, as do many of your colleagues also intimidated by the Thor's Hammer of this administration and their ties to your advertising revenues. One need only look at the lack of adverts in the current Vanity Fair to see what you all are up against.  While I can appreciate your pragmatism, your article about the DSM forum stinks of fear.  It is all over the sad levity you project to the description of the proceedings.
    One can only hope that you can rise to the level of excellence you have previously shown in your career,  take the less safe path and speak the truth.  However, I am not so naive to think that you are not scared to lose your job if you do choose patriotism and love of democracy.  The cost may be too high for you personally and financially.  Good luck.  I hear that Sears is hiring.
  •  DSM --should not just be about Democrats (none / 1)

    My HOPE is  that Gen Powell, Retired and Current Military officers,  Conservative/Republicans, Retired or current CIA agents, etc will publicly show their outrage and demand that we investigate any manipulation of intelligence to lead us to a costly war.  

    Dont let the LIARS win. Stand up for TRUTH! Stand up for Health Care Reform!

    by timber on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 06:25:07 AM PST

  •  My letter to Milbank (4.00 / 4)

    Dear Dana Milbank,

    On your website you ask: "What scenes of Washington politics would you like Dana Milbank to write about? E-mail your suggestions of people, places or events" which is a wonderful offer.  Thanks for asking for my ideas.  Here's an idea for what to cover on the Washington Politics scene, how about truthfully describing how a bunch of right-wing freaks have taken control of the Federal Government and are trying to pack the courts with right-wing activists so they can destroy our constitutional government?  Think this is a "stretch"?  Then why is it that the entire Republican leadership used the corpse of a half-dead women as an excuse to attack judges, with some Republicans even expressing an understanding as to why someone would kill a judge they disagreed with?
     
    To you the Conyer's hearings may have been a funny make-believe thingy, but I'll tell you what, the lies coming out of this White House, and Republicans in general which are re-regurgitated without scrutiny or even a simple "sniff test" by whores of various journalist experience is the real land of make-believe.  People who do this are only pretending to be journalists and are certainly not reporting news.
     
    Why not report about how utterly and completely wrong, wrong, wrong just about every single thing the Bush white house predicts and does turns out to be.  Whether it is a State of the Union speech where he utters that the deficits will be small and short term, to the tax cuts will still allow us to pay down the federal debt, to a hair-brained attack on Iraq for fictitious reasons; the folks in the White House are by any fair measure wrong-headed dolts driving our country off the cliff. 

    And it seems, judging by recent polls I am not alone in my estimation of their abilities.  But you don't need to ask me for details, why not interview people from military families who feel betrayed by Bush, or long-time Republicans that are kinda fond of Civil and Constitutional Rights that the Bushies seem to think are simply an impediment to unlimited executive power.  Why not talk to Cheney who recently said the rebellion in Iraq was almost over, maybe you could both fly over there and walk around on the ground to see how great things are going.  Oh, and ask him if it would be ok that all service people could opt out of going to Iraq if they have "other priorities" like he said and did about going to Viet Nam when he was  young man.  Oh I know, the comparisons to Viet Nam are so crazy, after all Viet Nam was an unnecessary war that was covered up with countless lies by the executive branch and cost thousands of lives of Americans and people in  far-away countries that posed no threat us, many of them women and children.  Excuse me for making such an absurd comparison, but you see I am one of those thousands of "lefty pretend people" who predicted Iraq would become like Viet Nam.  Unlike the geniuses who frequent the talk shows and write opinion pages in most papers we have actually been right a good deal of the time these last five years of Bushy, but curiously, all we seem to get from most of the MSM are smarmy hit-pieces like "Democrats Play House To Rally Against the War."
     
    Hopefully, you will be able at some point to report with due seriousness on the matters of life and death of truth and liberty that are effecting our Republic without minimizing the gravity of situation.  People like Conyers that take a stand against the outrages and criminal acts of the Bush Administration are acting courageously on the behalf of a majority of Americans, and we salute their noble efforts.  You don't need to support these efforts, but you should report them accurately and within a proper context.  Sending thousands of American kids to get blown to bits so that Cheney and other fat-cat Republicans can enrich himself further is neither a funny nor trivial matter.  And lying to the Congress to grant authority to do these deeds is neither funny nor trivial.   The press is supposed to be a beacon of light, spreading the truth, not a copy machine for a despotic executive branch who is drunk with power. 

  •  Dear Mr. Conyers (none / 0)

    After all that has happened, did you expect anything less?

    Go around the media.  We will take it directly to the people.

    And to Mr. Milbank, sir, how much money is the Bush Administration paying you?

  •  DEMAND A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION OF THE CBS PAPERS!! (none / 0)

    REPRESENTATIVE CONYERS!!

    WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO START DEMANDING A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION OF THE CBS/BUSH SUSPENSION PAPERS??? THEY ARE FEDERAL DOCUMENTS!!!
    WHy does the federal government keep shirking its duty to investigate the CBS PAPERS?? Why are you allowing the Republicans to get away with this??
    LOOK at these documents: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-09-09bushdocs.pdf  They are under letterhead of a USAF unit, they purport to be official US Air Force business and theyre signed by the commander of the USAF unit in performance of his duties!! THEY ARE FEDERAL DOCUMENTS!!! And the Bush Administration and the rest of the government is SHIRKING THEIR DUTY by not investigating them!!
    Is the the USAF "good to go" about people typing the letterhead of a USAF unit on a piece of paper, falsifying official information about one of its officers, (now President of the United States) and then forging the commanders signature on them?? THATS OUTRAGEOUS!!! THATS A FEDERAL CRIME!! That HAS to be investigated!!! And its NOT!!!!
    The Bush administration is evading their duty to maintain the integrity of federal documents!!! WHy because the dopcuments ARE AUTHENTIC!! And prove that Bush's superiors falsified his books!!!!
    THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN PROVEN FALSE BY ANYONE!!!
    Don't believe the word of the conservative bloggers!!!
    Does America still run under rule of law or are our important issues settled in Bloggers Court??
    MAKE THE REPUBLICANS PROVE THEM OR DISPROVE THEM IN AN OPFFICIAL INVESTIGATION!!
    These are allegedly forged USAF ORDERS!! WHy has the USAF refused to investigate these when they could prove or dispove them easily??!!
    WHY HAS GEORGE W BUSH< THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD, WITHE ALL THE INVESTIGATIVE POWERS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOT INVESTIGATED PAPERS THAT, IF FORGED, LIBEL HIM AND OTHER USAF OFFICERS!! WHY IS HE NOT EVEN CURIOUS TO SEE WHEERE THEY CAME FROM??? BECAUSE THE DOCUMENTS ARE REAL!!! AND SHOW CRIMES BEING COMMITTED IN HIS BEHALF!!! ("I will backdate but not rate..." Jerry Killian)
    Get off your chair and do the most important thing you may ever do in your career!!
    DEMAND AN INVESTIGATION OF THE CBS PAPERS FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY!!! America needs to know if these papers are real or not!!!
    CONGRESSMAN CONYERS!! If you realy want to start media accountability, DEMAND AN OFICIAL INVESTIGATION OF THE CBS PAPERS!!! The Bush Administration is evading it SO WE NEED TO HAVE ONE!!!

    TIMELINE OF GEORGE W BUSH'S MILITARY SERVICE IN 1972 AND 1973
    A Paper Trail using all posted documents.

    The Killian documents are used here along with documents the Bush Administration posted on 2/10/04 to in order to describe their intermesh in George Bush's known paper trail. They help describe a coherent narrative of Bush's military career, something that Bush has never  done. If they are real, he's seen at least 2 of them before  If they are not real, then certainly George Bush has seen at least 2 of the real ones: the written order to take his physical and the written order confirming his suspension on 8/1/72--why has he not admitted this? That is why America needs to have the FBI investigate this all.
    Bush SHOULD have been asked immediately. Bush HAS to know whether the Killian Memos are real or not and it's hard to imagine anyone not defending themselves against forged documents that show a whole different--and unflattering--version of their military service than they've given throughout their lives. Bush has not yet denied they are real! The Killian documents can be assumed to be real until George Bush actually  denies them and gives a credible alternate version of the incidents. Anyone  who is truly proud of his record could and would be glad to do this, even proud to do this..
    The Killian Memos are tremendously significant.. If proven real, they describe someone who voluntarily quit flying, refused to take his physical, disobeyed a direct order to take that physical, pulled strings to get out of flying and get transferred, missed at least 6 months of duty and possibly as much as a year and a half of duty. They prove Bush was paid fraudulently and that Bush's superiors altered his record substantially. This is a WHOLE different way than Bush describes his service and he should be the one to deny and explain these. No one has EVER disputed the content of these documents, least of all Bush.
     They call into question the reasons for which he received his honorable discharge and evidence real irregularities.  How does a military pilot not fly his last year and a half; is in fact suspended from flying his whole last year, with NO other military skill given an honorable discharge?:
    Killian's secretary, Marian Knox has publicly stated that Killian DID keep a CYA (Cover Your Ass) File. This itself should launch a federal investigation because it indicates Killian was committing actual malfeasance by keeping a secret file. No one does this when they're doing the right thing: they use the regular files.  Knox also stated that this was like keeping a journal which is apparent here.. Ms Knox also stated that she typed orders with THE SAME INFORMATION!  Why then is the FBI not investigating a possible forgery of federal documents? (Answer: because the White House is pretending theyre not federal documents)  Ms Knox stated that she DID type up a direct order for Bush to take his physical and that he refused--why was this line of questioning not pursued? This testimony that proves that Bush's records were "sanitized." This order should be in his files. She also stated that Bush got  special help in getting his agenda
    Why was Knox not questioned under oath about what she knows about this? She obviously knows much more than she said. Why are all the other people in Bush's chain of command not being interviewed as regards the Killian documents? Killian was not acting alone. Others in his chain of command need to be interviewed under oath also, as does Bush himself.
    In commencing the analysis, we start with 3 known facts:
    (A) that George Bush never took his required flight physical in 1972 and thereafter: (B) no personal physician EVER gives an Air Force flight physical and (C) no document in Bush's record refers to ANY oncoming obsolescence of F102s as causal to his flight suspension.
    The Killian Memos are designated  (KM)  The others were obtained from the most complete website for Bush's papers: http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp   and also from : http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-02-14-bush-docs.htm  Although this is an obviously "liberal" website, there is no similar
     "conservative" website for comparison. This itself is noteworthy. Crosschecking with other similar websites confirms authenticity. They should be considered genuine until George Bush denies them and produces a credible alternate version.

    THE TIMELINE::

    Feb 2, 1972 (KM)- http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-09-09bushdocs.pdf
    His Commanding officer voices concern over impending problems with Bush's and James Bath's flight certification. Both were later suspended for failure to take their physicals.  
    May 4, 1972. (KM) http://www.awolbush.com/documents/BushGuardmay4.pdf His CO, Killian, orders Bush to take his physical and sets up a date. This undoubtedly did happen, as Marian Knox confirmed. Killian was only following Air Force procedure for dealing with a pilot that refused to take his physical. He HAD to do this!  If this is not the real order, where is the real one and what did it say? Bush HAS to know this!  The FBI must ask Ms Knox about this under oath!
    May 19, 1972 (KM)  http://www.awolbush.com/documents/BushGuardmay19.pdf  Killian evidently got a call from Bush, stating that he did not take his physical, as apparently ordered.  Something like this HAD to happen. Bush HAD to explain to Killian at some point that he was not going to take his physical as apparently ordered. This Memo gives a credible and believable account of Killians thoughts about this. George Bush has never explained this in ANY way yet he must have taken part in this event. He needs to testify under oath because he would know better than anyone if this happened or not.  Killian says here exactly what a commander would say when a direct order of his has been defied. "
    Taken line by line:
    (1)"Discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now until November"  This is what the record shows happened. George Bush's posted pay records http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/gwbush/gwb72-73milpay-p1.html  show no pay from May 1, 1972 through Oct 28, 1972, almost 6 full months. TANG records do not show him participating in ANY capacity until his discharge Oct 1st, 1973 (reference given above)  Bush has to answer to where he was during this 6 months, there is nothing in his record to indicate participation. This itself should launch an investigation--a serviceman has to be able to account for his time if he was serving honorably!
    (2)"Says he wants to transfer to Alabama to any unit he can get into. Says he is working on another campaign for his dad" Again, this is the record as his subsequent requests for transfer, dated 5/24/72 and 9/5/72, show. He requested transfer twice to nonflying units and his stated reason was to work on an Alabama Senatorial campaign
    (3)" We talked about his getting his flight physical situation fixed before his date." This is again the actual fact: that Bush DID have a "flight physical situation" that need fixing. An AF pilot can't just decide he doesn't want to fly anymore and refuse to take his physical--its not his decision to make. Bush was REQUIRED to take his physical and the record shows that he never did after April 1972.
    (D) "He.....may not have the time. I advised him of our investment in him and our commitment." Killian is probably being sarcastic here: if a commander has to advise a subordinate of "our investment in him and our commitment" this is not a happy conversation for the subordinate nor anyone who knows the meaning of patriotism. This line, if real, proves that Bush was trying to get out of his flying duties to work on a Senate campaign. To keep this in perspective one should bear in mind that they only wanted him one weekend a month and every part of Alabama is not a full days drive from Ellington AFB (closer than El Paso or Amarillo!) and that they only wanted him one weekend a month. His father,George HW Bush, owned an airplane.
    (E) "He's been working with staff to come up with options and identified a unit that might accept him" This is exactly what happened. By "working with the staff to come up with options" Bush did indeed "identify a unit that might accept him." He filed his first request 5 days after this conversation, as given below
    (F) "I told him I had to have written acceptance before he would be transferred but I think he's been talking to someone upstairs" Killian appears to be doubtful here that Bush would get approval without help from upstairs.  And Bush did NOT not get the full written approval as detailed below
    5/24/72. http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc7.gif  Bush's first request for transfer  This document, posted by the Bush Administration fits right into the narrative as established so far: that Bush wanted to transfer to a nonflying unit instead of taking his physical and his stated reason is to work on a political campaign. Bush is "fluffing" this document to make it look more reasonable. His home address is blacked out but does in fact give a P.O. Box of a campaign organization in Alabama. He gives his MOS (Job Specialty Code) as 1125B, an F89 pilot which was obsolete, when it is actually 1125D--an F102 pilot (see it on his discharge) He does not fill out  box 11 as required, nor does he suggest any other possible "equivalent training" position to fill. He wants to transfer as a pilot to a nonflying unit but does not give any specific equivalent position he wants to fill. This can not be.
    May 26, 1972. http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc6.gif Col Bricken of the 9921 approves transfer.
    June ?, 1972 (date obscure) http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc25.gif The TX ANG approves
    Undated, probably early June  http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc5.gif   The Denver AFHQ does NOT approve: The significance of this document, posted by Bush, can not be denied. AFHQ quashed his request, probably in early June. Therefore Bush did not have ANY valid orders to go to Alabama then and the proof of this is that he had to re-request transfer on 9/5/72 (given below). The TX ANG and AL ANG approvals are what Bush likes to display as "orders" to go to Alabama but he never says AFHQ Denver disallowed them. AFHQ Denver says that Bush has to be assigned to a specific position in a Ready Reserve outfit (unlike the unspecific position he applied for) and that he has an obligation until May 1974. This completely disproves Bush's claim that he had orders in May 1972 to quit flying and go to Alabama.
    Aug 1, 1972  (KM) http://www.awolbush.com/documents/BushGuardaugust1.pdf   This is a record of Killian's verbal order suspending George Bush from flight status. This is specifically  referred to in the confirmation from HQ (given below) as happening on this date so this event HAD to happen and it DID happen. If this is forged then Bush needs to give his version of what really DID happen, he was indisputably there on that date. These orders were given verbally, no doubt face to face. Bush may have had to sign for these. These are indisputably federal documents and if forged, demand an immediate FBI investigation.
    (1)    "On this date I ordered that 1st Lt Bush be suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF TXANG standards and failure to meet annual physical examination (flight) as required." Once again, entirely consistent with the record. This is not an attack on Bush, simply stating the facts. The failure to meet standards means disobedience of a direct order, an order which HAD to be given, as per AF SOP,  The proof of that is that Bush never took his physical and AF SOP demands that a commander order a pilot to do this. Marian Knox said this was done. There's no dispute of this. Bush needs to come forward and explain this. This is one of the most damaging lines of all because it proves that his suspension was not at all as he has described it previously. There's nothing honorable about not meeting one's unit's standards, it's a disgrace.
    (2)    "I conveyed my verbal orders to commander, 147th Fgter Intrcp Grp, with requests for orders for suspension and convening of a flight review board IAW AFM 35-13" Very damning if true for Bush because it specifically states what should happen: convening of a flight review board. This is standard AF SOP. DID a review board get convened? Bush would know.  Written copies of verbal orders describing this incident, similar if not identical to these according to Ms M Knox, were given and passed up the chain of command. Where ARE those orders? What do they say? Orders from HQ were sent, as this describes. Bush must know what happened, again, he was THERE! And can't deny it! He must be asked under oath if these are real.
    (3)    "I recommended transfer of this officer to 9921st Air Reserve Squadron in May and forwarded his AF Form 1288 to 147 Fgtr Intrcp headquarters. The transfer was not allowed." This is again, EXACTLY what happened as the Paper Trail thus far has proven. The confirmation of the disallowal of the request is significant as is the reference to "forwarding" Other units must have corresponding paperwork and its obvious the rest of the chain of command knew what was happening
    (4)    "Officer has made no attempt to meet his training certification or flight physical. Office expresses desire to transfer out of state including assignments to nonflying billets." Again, this IS the record as viewed through the Paper Trail and/or lack of a Paper Trail where appropriate. TANG records show he was not there (although communicating with his superiors!) His payroll records that were posted 2/10/04 show no pay from May 1st through Oct 28, 1972. How is THAT explained? But the meaning of this  is devastating to Bush--it absolutely shows, if true, that he did NOT meet TANG standards, which are, at minimum, that one show up when required and that orders be followed. Not to show up for 6 months could well be considered AWOL or desertion, with or without the collusion of one's superiors.

    This particular document gains a lot of validity simply by existing, covering all the necessary points, seeming credible and matching the story absolutely--if this is not the real one, what happened to the real one? What did IT say? Bush needs to explain this under oath, not merely hold up his honorable discharge to explain all. It only raises questions like: how did he get it if he failed to uphold his unit's standards? There's no doubt he ended his pilot career suspended from flying--is this up to the TANG standards? His entire chain of command should be quizzed by the FBI about this.
    Sep 5, 1972. http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc2.gif   Bush's SECOND request for transfer to a unit where he knows he will not be able to fly He obviously  knows his previous orders were disallowed or he wouldn't be applying a 2d time. Note the informality here, the first name signature. Evidently Bush was cashing in his chips on friendship here. Note also that it is not an official form, there is no evidence of copies sent to AFHQ or anyplace else. This is not an official request and indicates that George Bush obtained his orders to Alabama fraudulently by dealing with his superiors outside of the chain of command and by  his superiors not relaying his request to AFHQ Denver (as they did previously)  The FBI must investigate this.
    Sep 15, 1972  http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc11.gif   Bush's "Orders" from Alabama ANG to attend trainings ONLY on Oct 7-8 and Nov 4-5 which is only TWO weekends, not three, and does NOT cover the month of Sep at all, as has been alleged. There is nothing that indicates any extension of these two weekends.  What's notable here is the lack of any other necessary documents, such as AFHQ Denver approving this order, as they most certainly disappproved the previous order which asked virtually the same thing: transfer to a nonflying unit.. If AFHQ Denver was not given the opportunity to approve this transfer, it can almost certainly be said to be fraudulent and fraudulently obtained. The FBI must investigate this, starting with Ms Marian Knox, Killian's secretary and Bush's entire surviving chain of command. Only the FBI can do this. Note also that Sep 15th is the date Bush actually has orders to go to Alabama, NOT May 15th as the OETR alleges. Untill Bush got orders to go, Sep 15, he was definitely still under the command of Jerry Killian, in the 111th Ftr Intrcp Grp!
     Another questionable item is that the Oct 7-8 dates given here do not match up with his posted pay records: which show he was paid for Oct 28-29  http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/gwbush/gwb72-73milpay-p1.html  
    This discrepancy itself should also launch an investigation
    Sep 29, 1972  http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif Written confirmation of Bush's suspension, verifying the date of Aug 1st as the date Killian suspended him verbally.  The Aug 1, 1972 verbal suspension HAD to happen ON THAT DATE! If the Killian documents are not authentic, then where are the real ones? What do they say? The FBI MUST investigate this!
    Note also that AFHQ is still assuming he's still in the 111th, TX ANG. The FBI must investigate this and a good place to start is by  examining James  Baths documents--are they different? What typewriter were THEY typed out on and by whom?
    Note also the complete lack of evidence indicating that his suspension was in ANY way related to the oncoming  "obsolescence" of the F102. This lack exists throughout.

    Before examining the next document,  we must reiterate certain truths which are well confirmed by the written record:
    a)    George Bush NEVER flew after April, 1972, nor did he ever take his physical again..
    b)    George Bush achieved Nonflying and Suspended from Flying entirely on his own volition--all he had to do to make things right and please his superiors, was take his physical, yet he never did.! Why not?
    c)    As proven beyond a doubt, George W Bush was suspended from flying verbally on Aug 1, 1972 and confirmed by Denver AFHQ on orders written Sep 29, 1972
    d)    The actual orders that Bush say enabled him to go to Alabama were dated Sep 15th, 1972 although he claims to have had orders in May--those were disallowed, as he knew well. He was under the command of  Jerry Killian until Sep 15th, 1972, Killian was ordering him, suspending him, handling his paperwork. But Bush was not showing up for training nor was he getting paid.

    These facts become crucial when his Officers Effectiveness Training Report is examined. There is nothing for Bush in the Paper Trail of the AL ANG or the TX ANG records from May 1972 to his discharge Oct 1, 1973 except days indicated on his pay records (reference given)  There is no record of him this entire year and a half in the files of the TANG nor in the AL ANG yet he was still getting paid! As a PILOT! although he never flew after April, 1972. This is fraudulent and the FBI must investigate this.
    There is nothing, no training record, flight logs, morning reports, meal rosters, etc to indicate Bush served in the ANG in Alabama or Texas from Sep 15th until his discharge. Its ONLY in his own  paperwork, not his unit's. His pay records show ten days in JAN, 1973.  There are no orders showing him officially remaining in Alabama. But there are no records showing him in Ellington and his superiors deny he was there at this time as will be shown. Bush must be made to answer where he was.
    May 1, 1973  http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc17.gif  TX ANG issues George Bush a special order to attend training on NINE specific days. May22-24, May 29-31, Jun 5-7  Note how much this varies from His pay records and his dates on his statement of points earned:   They ordered him there for six days in May and his pay records claim he was there for FORTEEN, not all the dates specified and  including starting  3 weeks BEFORE the special order. Yet no TANG records indicate he was flying there or any other way training. His pay records also show days in Jan and Apr--but they don't issue  a Special Order To Attend if one is already attending meetings..
    George Bush was being  paid as a pilot fraudulently during this period, certainly and absolutely if he was getting flight pay after May, 1972. This is what his record indicates and the FBI MUST investigate this!

    The question now REALLY starts to arise: What was George Bush actually doing to earn his pay since Apr, 1972 when he stopped flying and was suspended Aug 1st 1972 for not taking his physical? He wants to intimate that he was doing some kind of "equivalent work" but that argument starts to fall apart as soon as his discharge is examined: http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/2-Discharge.pdf  He has NO other military skills other than flying  F102s--what could he possibly be doing that would be equivalent to flying F102s?   Certainly not what he claims: paperwork. A TX ANG pilot is not made into a clerk overnight without official notice--it wastes too much of the taxpayers money. Note also that he is transferred to a DENVER unit which is completely different than he now says: that he was transferred to a Massachusetts Unit.
    But what is REALLY of note is how George Bush was carried as a pilot for the 18 months from the day he quit flying; in his discharge papers, signed by Col Bobby Hodges, he is carried as far as Sep 18, 1973 as "Duty Title and AFSC: Pilot Fighter Intrcp 1125D UDL Grade." Col Bobby Hodges is CLEARLY altering the record here: George Bush was SUSPENDED FROM FLYING over a year previously, verbally on Aug 1, 1972 as Hodges HAS to be aware of! Hodges has knowingly signed his name to a falsehood here in order to get Bush an honorable discharge. The FBI MUST INVESTIGATE THIS!
    This document and others prove that George Bush was on the books--and getting paid--as a pilot long after he was suspended from flying. This is FRAUD! Further evidence is given on Bush's USAF Personnel Record Card for May 26 1972 through May 26 1973
    where he is listed as a pilot: http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/gwbush/gwb72-73usaf-rprc.html   But as we now know well, George Bush did not fly this whole year and was in fact suspended from flying for EIGHT months of it. Therefore, if he was getting paid as a pilot during this year--which he was-- he was getting paid fraudulently, though his superiors were obviously trying to pass him off as a pilot.
    If he obtained his discharge under the pretense of being a pilot for this period, his "honorable" discharge was fraudulently obtained. This is defrauding the federal government and the FBI MUST investigate this!  
    Dated May 2 1973 but obviously written later:  The most conclusive evidence that Bush's superiors were falsifying books is in the Officers Effectiveness Training Report covering the period May 1972 through April 1973.
    Page One: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc4.gif
    Page Two: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc4.gif  
    On page One, his  occupation is given as "Pilot. Pilots F102 type aircraft and performs airborne intercepts as required by assigned missions."   But this is patently false just on the face of it, just as Hodges falsely stated on Bush's discharge! George Bush was definitely NOT flying F102s on intercepts or any other  "assigned mission" during this time. George Bush had not flown since April, 1972 through the whole time of this report. This absolutely quashes his "equivalent service" story--there's no evidence of ANY "equivalent Service" in any of his documents..  
    His superiors say  Bush was "not there at this unit during the time of this report."  That's pretty definite--but its also false. (It's also in conflict with Bush's discharge) Going back to the paper trail laid out previously, Bush was definitely under the command of Killian from May, 1972 through at least Sep 15, when Bush's (probably fraudulent) "orders" for Alabama came. Bush was indisputably writing him requests as Bush's commander, as late as Sep 5, 1972. Killian has absolutely falsely backdated Bush's exit from Ellington AFB on this report to May 15! His own paper trail, and the official paper trail, confirm this! Killian backdated Bush's exit to cover his "ass" but did not rate him! He COULD NOT rate him because it would have meant certifying Bush to be a pilot when he clearly was NOT! There was too much conflicting paperwork and Killian must have known it--backdating but not rating was as far as he could go to "sugarcoat" Bush's nonyear as a pilot.
    Killian also fails to fill out the entire form, especially sections V and VI. What's striking is the complete lack of the glowing reports lavished on Lt Bush by his superiors in previous OETRs.
    But what REALLY strikes one the most is that neither man actually signed it!! Why didn't either man sign it, like they'd signed both his glowing OETRs  the past 2 years?
    This report is obviously false, phony, not based on facts. Bush was certainly under their command until Sep 15, over 4 months in the early part of this rating period. Killian suspended him on Aug 1st and then Bush applied to him for a transfer on Sep 5th, 1972. Yet they claim Bush was not observed this entire year. What that HAS to mean is that they are saying he never came back from Alabama. If he didn't, then how did he get paid?       
     June 24, 1973 (KM) http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-09-09bushdocs.pdf  This is proof of pressure put on Killian and is entirely believable in the circumstances. How DO you rate a pilot as a pilot who hasn't flown the whole year and was suspended for 2/3ds of it? That would HAVE to be a ZERO and or Unsatisfactory by ANYBODY'S standards, certainly the TX ANG. And the Paper Trail proves that was certainly where George W Bush was.
    Killian is trying to sluff off  the whole year as Bush being in Alabama in order to cover his own "ass.". But as has been shown so well, Bush was in Houston--definitely not assigned to Alabama--for almost all this year. Bush has to finally state where he was for this year and until his discharge. Only the FBI can make him do it!
    Killian is clearly in a bind here and wants help from his superiors. The FBI should identify and interview the recipient of this document and the rest of Bush's chain of command under oath.
    June 29, 1973  http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc12.gif   Correction Demand On Bush's OETR. This confirms the situation as described above on the OETR. This is the pressure hinted at above. There are several discrepancies and omissions noted. It is obvious here that HQ has not been previously fully  informed of Bush's Alabama transfer and removal from flight status. They say he should have been :"reassigned in May 1972 since he is no longer training with his AFSC or with his unit of assignment." This is because when his physical ran out and he stopped flying he should have been reassigned but he never was. Here AFHQ confirms what the OETR said, what Killians Memos, say, what every document presented says: Bush was not with his unit FOR THE WHOLE YEAR! But he was still getting PAID!
    Aug 18th, 1973 (KM)  This is Killian's CYA document (CYA= Cover Your Ass) This confirms and adds credibility to all the other Killian Memos. It tells the EXACT truth, everything Killian did. The significance of this can NOT be over rated. http://www.awolbush.com/documents/BushGuardaugust18.pdf  
    (1)    "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodge more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." Very simple and believable, knowing what has just been shown about Bush. Killian wouldn't have liked the pressure to "sugarcoat" things a bit, it could have cost him his career. That's why he kept the CYA file, to cover himself if he got called on anything.
    (2)    "Harris gave me a message today from Grp regarding Bush's OETR and Staudt is pushing to sugarcoat it. Bush wasn't here during rating period and I don't have any feedback from the 187th in Alabama. I will not rate. Austin is not happy today either." This is, again, only to confirm and strengthen the established narrative line. Bush was not there at all during the rating period and if he wasn't, then he was paid fraudulently! His superior says he was not there: here and also on the OETR. Only Bush says he was there, there is no one to confirm his side of the story at all--and all his  paperwork to contradict it!
    (3)    "Harris took the call from Grp today. I'll backdate but I won't rate. Harris agrees." And that is the exact truth about what Killian did: he "backdated but not rated" Bush's OETR. That was as far as he could go to "sugarcoat" it. And Harris agreed--both their names are on this report THOUGH NEITHER ONE SIGNED IT! Bush's own commanders say he wasn't there in no uncertain terms. They both have their names on this document but neither one signed it because it is obviously fraudulent: To start with, why should they be rating  someone who allegedly--according to THEM--wasn't in their unit.  Bush must be made to answer these questions.
    November 12, 1973. Skipping ahead to an adjunct of the OETR, Major Rufus Martin confirms that Bush was not rated for the period 1 May 1972 through Apr 30, 1973. This  must have been in response to some inquiry for which there must be records.  If the Military is only looking in The Pentagon for Bush Files, than the FBI should look in all the chain of command locations of the ANG that apply to Bush.

    As is obvious, the Killian documents complement the known Paperwork so well, they must be investigated--if forged, they could only have been done by a real intimate to the situation. If they are forged, what do the real ones say? And who should know better if they were forged than George W Bush? Who was indisputably there when much of this occurred? This occurred in a FEDERAL unit and the FBI MUST be made to investigate it!
    One of the most important things to remember is that Bush's superiors tried to keep him on the books as a pilot, LONG after he quit flying and was suspended. This is how he got his discharge fraudulently--after May 1972, any document listing him as a pilot is fraudulent and they ALL do.. There is NO WORD about Bush ever serving any "equivalent service" in any of his records, he is listed throughout as a pilot until his discharge. THIS IS FRAUD!! If he got his discharge based on points given for being a pilot, then it was fraudulently obtained. And if he was paid at all as a pilot from May 1972 until his discharge Oct 1 1973, THIS IS ALSO FRAUD!  And possibly Grand Theft.!
    "Article 83(2) UCMJ:
    (2) Fraudulent separation.
    (a) That the accused was separated from an armed force;
    (b) That the accused knowingly misrepresented or deliberately concealed a certain material fact or facts about the accused's eligibility for separation; and
    (c) That the accused's separation was obtained or procured by that knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment."  
    The proof they did this is ironclad: Hodges falsely refers to Bush as a pilot on his discharge papers until Sep 18, 1973.  Bush's OETR has him listed as a pilot for a whole year when he didn't fly and was suspended for 8 months of it. In Bush's "Chronological Listing of Service (undated) he is listed as a pilot through Oct 1 1973 http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc10.gif  This is absolutely false as has now been proven: Bush never flew after Apr, 1972 but they carry him as a pilot through Oct 1973 with no mention of his suspension or his failure to fly his entire last year and a half.
    On his USAF Personnel card covering May 72-73 he is also falsely listed as a Pilot. http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/gwbush/gwb72-73usaf-rprc.html  In his Statements Of Points earned in 1972, 1973, his MOS Jobcode has been blanked out--if the originals say 1125D or Pilot, then this is CERTAIN proof that these points were obtained fraudulently, by the false pretense of being a pilot and flying, when in fact he was not..
    http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/gwbush/gwb72-73arfspe1.html  
     http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/gwbush/gwb73arfspe2.html  
    His "Military biography" is also false, showing him as a pilot throughout his discharge and no mention whatsoever of Alabama. http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc14.gif  
    The evidence is overwhelming that Bush's superiors were trying to keep him listed and paid as a pilot long after he was suspended from flying. Because all his points were earned on the basis of his being a "pilot" during this last period, they are all fraudulent. Therefore, George W Bush's `honorable" discharge was certainly obtained under false pretenses. Any payment to him for being a pilot after his last flight, April, 1972, was also fraud.
    The evidence that Bush and his superiors misrepresented his status as a pilot in order to obtain his discharge is absolutely ironclad in the documents his people posted on 2/10/04 He most certainly was fraudulently paid as a pilot
    THE FBI and the USAF  MUST INVESTIGATE THIS IMMEDIATELY!!.

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 07:01:28 AM PST

  •  Congressman, (none / 0)

    I watched the hearing on C-span 3 and was delighted with what I saw.  Your fellow congresspeople were so honest, articulate, compassionate and asked some questions that I thought were quite bi-partisan.  The panel was wonderful....they all need to be in front of the American people more often.
    Thank you so much for all your hard work.  You are very appreciated!
  •  My own small contribution (none / 1)

    Well by this stage I've got "outrage fatigue" to say the least (and nobody will read down this far :) but I did attempt to convey my outrage to the WaPo...

    Here's to Rep Conyers -- I look forward to his senatorial or presidential campaign, when I'm sure every Kos member will kick in $10 or $100 or whatever possible to make sure he blows away his Rethug opponent!

    Dear Mr Getler,

    May I add my voice to those who are no doubt complaining about the disgraceful piece by Dana Milbank on the Conyers hearing and the Downing Street Minutes. It is a sorry example of deception by omission.

    I hope the Post will have the decency to print Rep Conyers's eloquent letter in full on the Op-Ed page in response.

    You will no doubt know that many intelligent readers are getting extremely disillusioned by the "MSM" and particularly the Post and the NYT. The coverage of the Iraq war by both papers has been a farce to say the least. It makes me sick when I remember the acres of newsprint devoted to Bill Clinton's sex life and Whitewater (didn't that qualify as "old news" then?) in contrast to your paltry analysis of Bush's and Blair's campaign of deception leading to the fiasco that is the Iraq situation. (By the way, I am in no way a Clinton apologist -- I thought he should resign. But his crimes and sins are nothing compared to Bush's and Blair's.)

    Yours most disillusioned and disgusted

    She said that she was working for the ABC News
    It was as much of the alphabet as she knew how to use

    by Paolo on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 08:17:26 AM PST

  •  Thank You Congressman Conyers (none / 1)

    Better late than never...I too found the Milbank's article a bunch of irresponsible rubbish...hence, following is the letter I e-mailed to the Post....Congressman Conyers, you are a hero!

    I was very disappointed by the quality, accuracy and derisive tone of Dana Milbank's coverage ("Democrats Play House To Rally Against the War") of the hearing regarding the "Downing Street Memo" (DSM) chaired by Representative John Conyers of Michigan on Thursday, 16 June.  His article trivializes the seriousness of the contention that the Congress and the American citizens were intentionally misled by the Bush administration as to the plans for invading Iraq in mid-2002, well before congressional and UN approval was sought.  The article completely ignores that fact that 122 members of the US Congress and over 560,000 American Citizens have signed and supported Rep Conyers' request to President Bush for explanations of the questions raised by the DSM.

    To simply dismiss Rep Conyers' investigation as a "rally against the war" fails to recognize that the allegations, if found to be true, constitute impeachable offenses.  Combining that with the loss of life, human misery and waste of financial resources and good will that represent the cost of this war, the offenses become criminal.  To contend, like spin-meister mouthpiece Scott McClellan does, that this is old news or just another anti-war charade is to overlook the pattern of deceit surrounding the war.  Actually, much of the American populace is just beginning to recognize this; hence, the importance of the testimony of Joseph Wilson, which your article barely alludes to.  It is quite clear that many people in this country have been misinformed when you see research conducted in 2003 that showed that 80% of Americans whose primary source of news was Fox News believed that WMDs had been found in Iraq, that Saddam was linked to al-Qaeda or that world opinion was favorable to our invasion of Iraq (PIPA Report "Misperceptions, The Media and the Iraq War, 2 October 2003, http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf).

    It is no wonder that there is so much valid criticism of the media...often disparagingly referred to as the "MSM" in today's parlance.  Dana Milbank's article was better suited to the editorial section of your paper rather than masquerading as legitimate news.  If he wanted to editorialize, it would have been much more appropriate for Milbank to laud the courage of Rep Conyers in seeking the truth.  Irresponsible coverage of serious matters does a disservice to creating a well informed public that is, in turn, essential to the working of a real democracy.  Don't allow the venerable Washington Post to become relegated to nothing more than a propaganda sheet that isn't worth the bits stored on my computer hard drive.  

  •  Thank You Congressman Conyers (none / 0)

    I watched the hearing not once but 3 times.  I wanted to make sure I saw every single minute of this historic occasion.  Congressman, I wrote the Ombudsman of the Washington Post yesterday complaining about the snide, biased, unprofessional hitpiece by Dana Milbank.  His obnoxious article was so over the top it made me wonder if he isn't one of the paid shills or even an agent of the administration.  We all know that various agencies have their people in media outlets. I pointed out to the Ombudsman that the very reason why their readership is down is because we don't trust them, and we don't trust them because of manipulative propaganda that is passed off as news.  But Congressman Conyers, your gracious rebuttal to the Washington Post was the model of decency and wisdom.  You are a hero to me.  God bless you for everything you are doing for our nation and Godspeed.

    Screw the Plutonomy, We Need Our Own Economy

    by wiseacre on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 10:23:12 AM PST

  •  The media is HAVING to take notice - reluctantly (none / 1)

    I noted to the "Stephanie Miller Show" yesterday morning that, though the Los Angeles Times gave front-page mention to the growing opposition to the war, mention of your hearing and the DSM was limited to the last column of the story on page A32 . . . I also mentioned that my own representative, Brad Sherman, had just 10 days before denied to my face knowing either of the memos or your letter.

    Then I sent my own letter to the Post:

    The Washington Post has a long and noble history of finding the little issues that are the key to a Gordian Knot of problems, and then bringing them forward to unravel all manner of corruption and bad-dealing.  Witness your glory days with Watergate.

    Why is it that you cannot find the space or a reporter to cover Rep. John Conyers (Dem., MI) and his attempt to get the Bush White House to give substantive answers with regard to the Downing Street Minutes and associated documents?  Yesterday, Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (Rep., WI) and his Judiciary Committee staff gave short shrift to Rep. Conyers' request for a room to hold a hearing, unofficial though it may be, with regard to these issues.  Rep.  Conyers had assembled a noteworthy and strong-spoken group of individuals to discuss the issue, but apparently, only a basement room suitable for less than 50 people could be found, though other, larger rooms were available on the main floors.  They went ahead, anyway.  The Republicans on the House floor, though, had another strategy:  11 votes in a very brief period of time, unprecedented, one might say, requiring members of Congress to run back and forth between the hearing room and the House floor.  This is in the same venal tradition as Rep. Sensenbrenner's childish disconnection of the microphones, taking the gavel and leaving the room last week when he didn't like the direction of the Patriot Act hearings.  Disgusting on the part of children, much less members of Congress.

    When this sort of childish behavior on the part of the majority party is allowed to go unnoticed by the major newspaper in Washington, one must ask "why?"  

    In any case, Rep. Conyers and his entourage then made it to the gates of the White House, where they were allowed no further, in order to present a petition endorsed by over a half-million Americans, asking the President for clear, complete and unambiguous answers to all the questions raised by these letters.  They weren't even allowed in the gate.  There were several members of Congress in that group.  Is it the policy of the White House to keep members of Congress from reaching the President?  Is it the policy of the White House to refuse discussion and obfuscate issues in hopes they'll go away?  That's certainly what it seems like to me.

    Is it perhaps the concern of the Post that, if they come out too strongly against the Bush Administration, Karl Rove will end their access to the White House?

    Keep it up, Congressman.  We need more like you!

    Jim Fox-Davis
    www.moderaterage.com

  •  This is what I wrote to the WP three: (none / 1)

    What a sad day when a supposedly investigative newspaper such as the Washington Post prints a snide slanted piece of mostly fiction about  a hearing that is investigating official British cabinet memos that show that the war we are involved in was a trumped-up war. Of course, roses were to be have strewn at our soldiers'  feet (as liberators), Halliburton would have no-bid contracts for reconstruction of what the U.S. had bombed to smithereens, and Iraqi oil would be the spoil (for select American corporations).  It was all to have been a cakewalk with G.W. Bush having his "Mission Accomplished" faster than a celebrity trial (so we could all forget as the next media circus was performed).

     Instead of an American-installed cruel dictator, there would be an American-installed "democratic" government beholding to American corporate interests. Haliburton IS making a killing, but at what price to the American solider, the innocent Iraqi civilian, and the American taxpayer?

    The whitewashing of a corrupt Administration is not what the Fourth Estate was intended to do. Now I understand how a Nazi Germany could have happened because the press became the propaganda machine for Hiltler's brownshirts.

    Shame on you. At least Katherine Graham didn't live to see this pandering. Is lying to Congress and the American people regarding a war not as significant a story as Clinton/Monica?

  •  TIME TO TAKE ACTION! (none / 0)


    Yahoo has the DSM as THE TOP STORY!!

    TIME TO TAKE ACTION!

    find out how at:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/18/131144/051

    THANK YOU FOR NOT IMPEACHING PROSECUTING THE TERRORIST ENABLERS. I look forward to the next generation of American war criminals!

    by STOP George on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 12:30:48 PM PST

  •  How many sig.s are we up to on the DSM pet. (none / 0)

  •  Sen Conyers-- How to Reach out to Republicans (none / 0)

    The DSM issue should not just be a Democratic Party issue.  It should be a non-partisan or bipartisan.

    Dont let the LIARS win. Stand up for TRUTH! Stand up for Health Care Reform!

    by timber on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 01:23:21 PM PST

  •  Great Job, Mr. Chairman (none / 0)

    The WP was ugly, personal, and typical for what passes as "journalism" these days.  It was obviously written to discredit the forum and insult the participants.  The WP ought to be ashamed of publishing this type of attack ad for the GOP.

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