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How Far Gone Are We?

Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 12:55:28 PM PDT

Note: I've decided to change my screen name to my real name, Jonathan Schwartz.  Mainly, because the surname thing just isn't me.  I prefer it if people know the real me.  Also, I've long since started to feel that a screen that mixed Socrates and Decartes was a little on the presumptious side.

Cross-posted from Moral Questions Weblog.

I was listening today to Terry Gross interview former Republican Senator Danforth about what has become of the Republican Party.  At one point Gross asked him about the filibuster and he responded that in his day it would have been virtually unthinkable to imagine that a low level political nominee like the UN ambassador would have been filibustered.  An up or down vote was always considered a courtesy to the President in his work of filling executive branch posts.  

What struck me about the conversation was just how badly things have deteriorated for our form of government over the past eleven years.  The conservative movement that assumed control of Congress in 1994 was, as compared to the individuals in power at the time, very extreme.  Keep in mind that it was in that year that George W. Bush assumed the governorship of Texas, resentful over his father's loss two years before.  In six years he and his political advisor, Karl Rove, would plan a method of revenge for this loss, leveraging their conservative extremism as they governed from the Presidency.  

Over the past decade the Republicans have fastidiously tended to their base and to their campaign donors by creating as adversarial an environment as possible.  As true conservatives like Danforth and Pat Buchanan have argued, present day Republicans have long since betrayed genuine conservative values.  Governing for them has long since become little more than an exercise in maintaining and accruing more power.  

So how badly has democracy been eroded since the ascendancy of Radical Conservatism?  I would say so badly that the current Constitution in now inherently corrupted by the wielders of power, so much so that there may not be any solution other than building a new one.  The House of Representatives has been gerrymandered to the point of virtual electoral irrelevance.  Hugely important issues like energy security and health care are completely ignored because of the lobbies of the business interests involved in them.  And the partisan atmosphere in Washington has become so divisive that long held legislative traditions like unlimited debate in the Senate and Presidential perrogotive are now in question.  

These are all important aspects of the American tradition of democracy that we may never have back again.  Historically, it seems that once institutionalized power has been corrupted, it tends to be very difficult to remove that corruption fully without at least to some degree creating a new order.  For the time being, I doubt we can know anything for sure. We'll much more when the democrats get back into power.

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  •  You mean pseudonym... (none / 0)

    not surname.

    Jonathan Schwartz -- your father wouldn't happen to be one of the guys who started Blockbuster, would he?

    That would be very weird -- and not a little disconcerting, as, if you ARE he, we've made out on more than one occasion in my incarnation as a single person, circa 1996-1998...

  •  You're Probably Very Late About Timing (none / 1)

    Start with the late 60's and fundamentalist Christians organizing against liberal Christians, 1973 and the Heritage Foundation, and of course the science-fiction fantasyland that was the radical Ronald Reagan administration.

    I have to work in my machine shop this afternoon. I'll check in & review the comments but my quick take is that, purely for reasons of logistics and the march of progress, and leaving aside obvious or potential conspiracies, the American experiment reached its logical conclusion some time ago.

    Very far gone.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 01:08:14 PM PDT

    •  Unless we can wrestle control (none / 0)

      of the government from corporate influence, it's over. With both the Democratic and Republican parties hopelessly in the grasp of corrupt corporate influences, it's going to be up to a third party. It's an extreme longshot but the good news is that occasionally these types manage to shock the world by getting their heads under the wire first.  
  •  Well, damn it! (none / 0)

    Jonathan Schwartz, MaryScott is waiting for your reply, ... and I'm a little curious as well.

    I agree that we've lost something we may never have again. Our innocence for one thing.

    Of late both political partys are suspect. The treatment that has been accorded social security surpluses displays a lot.

    I guess we keep trying.

    Luck, MSOC.

    Hillary Abramoff Clinton, part of the Tan family.

    by 0hio on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 02:48:38 PM PDT

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