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Bush wants control of the internets!

Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 08:32:13 AM PDT

CNN is running a story this morning is entitled U.S. keeps control of Internet computers.

No big deal, right? After all, the U.S. has had control of the ICANN computers, in a manner of speaking. CNN gives us a bit of background:

The computers in question serve as the Internet's master directories and tell Web browsers and e-mail programs how to direct traffic. Internet users around the world interact with them every day, likely without knowing it. Policy decisions could at a stroke make all Web sites ending in a specific suffix essentially unreachable. [...]

Thursday's declaration means Commerce would keep that control [of ICANN], regardless of whether and when those conditions [previously specified for ICANN] are met.

That's when the alarm bells started ringing.

If you've ever read the Project for the New American Century's (PNAC's) white paper entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses", maybe the sirens started ringing in your head as well. Here's a portion of pages 11-12, where PNAC begins to lay out the groundwork necessary to achieve their pax americana:

ESTABLISH FOUR CORE MISSIONS for U.S. military forces:

  • defend the American homeland;
  • fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars;
  • perform the "constabulary" duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions;
  • transform U.S. forces to exploit the "revolution in military affairs;"

To carry out these core missions, we need to provide sufficient force and budgetary allocations. In particular, the United States must: [...]

CONTROL THE NEW "INTERNATIONAL COMMONS" OF SPACE AND "CYBERSPACE," and pave the way for the creation of a new military service - U.S. Space Forces - with the mission of space control.

My first thought, upon reading the CNN article, was to wonder who the Secretary of Commerce was. Was he in good company as a PNAC signatory, with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Khalilzhad, Pearle et al? Well, a cursory google told me that the Commerce Secretary is Carlos Gutierrez, and other than hanging with a bad crowd, he doesn't have any obvious PNAC affiliations, and hasn't autographed any of their propaganda/policies.

I decided to hit Google News, and see what others might be saying about this story. Oh my!

The Register, a British Tech publication, had this to say:

Bush administration annexes control of the Internet

An extraordinary statement by the US government has sent shockwaves around the Internet world and thrown the future of the network into doubt.

In a worrying U-turn, the US Department of Commerce (DoC) has made it clear it intends to retain control of the Internet's root servers indefinitely. It was due to relinquish that control in September 2006, when its contract with overseeing body ICANN ended.

The decision - something that people have long feared may happen - will not only make large parts of the world furious but also puts ICANN in a very difficult position. The organisation has slowly been expanding out of its California base in an effort to become an international body with overall responsibility for the Internet.

The US government is professing its full backing for ICANN (which it created) at the same time that it awards itself control of the Net's foundations, which will have the inevitable effect of pulling the organisation back into the US.

That's disturbing enough. The U.S. had planned to relinquish total control of ICANN to the international community, possibly the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) body of the United Nations. Oh my, not those pesky folks at the UN. Where's Bolton when we need him?

Well, for now, we've got the Commerce Department. They introduced the Bush administration's  intentions with a nice little powerpoint presentation that seems to have been put together for the Wireless Communications Association International 2005 Annual Conference.  And look who's on page 2!

It's our fearless leader, about to discuss the Internets! Here's what The Register had to say about that:

But what is most disturbing about Gallagher's  presentation, is how it endlessly refers to the president. The first slide has a picture of George Bush. The second begins "Thanks to the president's policies, America's economy is strong". The next slide is "The president's broadband vision". The next slide leads with a quote from Bush and two pictures of him. And on and on it goes. There is barely a single slide that doesn't quote from the president.

Clearly the Internet has entered the Bush administration's vision and the resulting DoC statement - which boldly tells the rest of the world that the US will continue to run the Internet and everyone will just have to lump it - is very in keeping with how the US government is currently run.

The big question now is whether the rest of the world will be cowed. ICANN has yet to release a statement on the DoC's surprise declaration but it knows which side its bread is buttered on and so will probably make a careful and broadly supportive statement.

This move clearly has the Bush administration's fingerprints all over it, as evidenced by the Commerce Department's presentation. Likewise, as PNAC is all over the White House, PNAC is leaving skid marks as well.

I'm alarmed, and I think we need to keep our eyes on this story. The implications of strict U.S. control over what web sites could potentially be delivered to users  is significant. Think about it. If the rest of the world is blocked from input into ICANN, ICANN (and our Commerce Department) could ultimately decide which websites can be viewed by the world's users. Another path this leads me to is the PATRIOT Act. Can anyone who's more familiar with the act than I am fill me in on what references it may have regarding internet usage or implementation? I could be totally off base on that one, but it's crossed my mind, and I don't have time to research it at the moment.

Is this the first step towards U.S. government control of the internets?

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  •  I fear that this story will get lost today... (4.00 / 47)

    what with that other little breaking news happening. But I'd love to hear what you all think of the ramifications of this move by the Bush administration.

    Oh well, I wasn't using that civil liberty anyway.

    by think2004 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 08:37:55 AM PDT

    •  great connecting of the dots (4.00 / 4)

      i read the decision yesterday but i did not know the story behind the story.

      thanks for the in depth analysis.  

      it's a political decision definitely.  & yes, bush (or some peon looking for a promotion) pushed this.

      it's definitely worth watching.

      & what's critical is the potential for other countries to say screw you guys -- we're going to create our own network.

      it probably won't happen but the potential for it to happen only shows how the admin's stupidity (kyoto) is again isolating us & making us more irrelevant in the future.

      i do not believe the rest of the world will allow ONE country to control the internets.

      & then we may actually get a S at the end of our "Internet".

      •  Sorry, krazy, but this is no surprise (4.00 / 2)

        Has no no one read their history?

        History of the Internet

        In brief, the Internet is the result of the US Department of Defense's reaction to Sputnik.

        There has always been the threat of the DoD deciding to go home and taking the ball with them.

        And the rest of the world has no say in the matter.

        NFTT Progressively supporting the troops

        by Timroff on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 10:34:19 AM PDT

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        •  agreed. no suprise for me as well (none / 0)

          what WAS suprising was the fact that they actually talked about ceding control.

          frankly i didn't see politicians in either party willing to do that.

          my guess is that the US will hold onto this as long as we can.

          •  China will love this.. (4.00 / 2)

            as will other nations.. it will give them an excuse to set up other 'root' servers, effectively Balkanizing the net.. The user community will simply have to add more 'root' servers to their configuration files.. along with the order in which they will be searched and what to do in cases of conflict. If the US tries to isolate American Internet users because they can't 'control' this, it will cause an uproar. My prediction is that they will back down, but if they don't, a worst case scenario could be the US isolating itself in its own little closed "Internet 0"

            Then, I wouldn't be surprised to see thousands of US businesses form some kind of consortium and then shop around for a more hospitable and progressive nation in which they can operate without this kind of interference.. Then, they would move there.. along with thousands of their staff..

            Thats a worst case scenario.. But its clear to me that BushCorp profoundly doesn't get it. They live in a grown up world now.. they can't behave like petulant six year olds who upset the board when they have to play by the same rules as everyone else

            •  Not as sure a bet as might be imagined... (none / 1)

              The USA has been profoundly anti-technology in the computer area for some time now.

              For example, the DMCA.

              The various DMCA-lites and uber-DMCAs that have been floating around.

              The US's fierce opposition to open technology. (Out of fear the communists terrorists could get stuff like strong encryption--which just means all real encryption development gets done off-shore.)

              Palladium and similar "Big Brother" software/hardware products.

              The handouts to big corporations who use copyright to establish intellectual property fiefdoms.

              And so on.

              The point is that i don't think it would be unusual at all to see some strong restriction, if not outright segmentation, on the US's internet access to the rest of the world. If it's the Bush administration (or other, similar, neofascist True Believers) then i pretty much expect it.

              The general public probably won't complain much. "Who needs them damn foreigners? I can't speak their scribble-language anyway so fuck them for trying to secede from America's Internet" (that's certainly how it would be run in the US, regardless of the facts of the matter) "We'll let them suffer!"

              In other words, once again, another reason for computer-related companies to flee the US and (especially) for computer professionals to also flee.

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              by Shapeshifter on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 06:01:47 PM PDT

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        •  Internet and nuclear war (none / 1)

          It is a rumor that the Internet started because the DOD wanted a secure communcations method in case of nuclear attack.  Although Baran at Rand was commissioned to help that effort and came up with packet switching, Kleinrock at MIT also came up with it.  Scientists were working on a way to communicate together and share papers and information, which is what led to the Internet.

          It was funded by the government however, of course.  And, DARPA being formed after Sputnik was crucial.

          I have an email from Vint Cerf somewhere - years old, where IIRC he said something like "Believe me, war was the last thing on our minds."

        •  wait a minute! (none / 1)

          We live a country where the free markets and free enterprise rule the day!

          Please don't say the DoD created the Internet, that weakens the basic economic fictions that we all rely on.

          "While there is a lower class, I am in it. While there is a criminal element, I am of it. While there is a soul in prison, I am not free." - Eugene Debs

          by matthewc on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 12:44:09 PM PDT

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        •  Not until you posted it! (none / 0)

          Been on-line on a semi-regular basis for approx. 6-7 months.  Am suprising myself at how much I am learning.  Thanks for the link!

          "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." George Santayana

          by Street Kid on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 01:45:31 PM PDT

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      •  The internet treats censorship as damage... (none / 1)

        and routes around it.  That's the slogan anyway.  In this case it might be true.  The root servers are the top level of DNS (domain name service).  Basically, they tell downstream computers where to find entire domains like, say dailykos.com.  Once you know that you can go to the nameservers located at that domain and query further for subdomains.  It's not inconceivable that the whole top level could be replaced by some peer to peer system or just different root servers outside the US.

        Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy."

        by Event Horizon on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 11:34:54 AM PDT

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        •  It's actually a bit more high level then that... (4.00 / 3)

          The IANA servers simply provide records for the suffix of a site's name.  They tell you where to go to find more information about all sites no matter what extension they are everything from .com, .net, .biz, .us, .uk, etc.

          Using the www.dailykos.com example:

          The top level servers (IANA) would be queried first, they can only tell you who is responsible for .com.  Which is at this time VeriSign Global Registry Services.

          You are then forwarded into one of Verisign's servers who have the .com registry.  You then get the query for dailykos.com answered.  Which forwards you onto NS1.VOXEL.NET and NS2.VOXEL.NET which are the two dns servers that handle this domain.

          There you finally query for the 'www' server within that domain and get the final answer, the ip address of the server you need to access this site.

          Theoretically it's possible for someone to run a completely seperate set of root hint servers to replace those the IANA runs, however this would create two seperate DNS roots for the internet.  The only reason for doing this is if you wanted to assign responsiblity for something like .com to someone other then verisign.  At which point you would have 'internets' at least as far as naming services went.

          McCain '08: Like Hope, But Different.

          by Siberian on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 02:32:19 PM PDT

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          •  Shit (none / 0)

            You're right.  I was one level down from the top.  I believe my argument is unaffected by this though.  The idea would still be to set up a parallel DNS top level.

            Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy."

            by Event Horizon on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 03:17:28 PM PDT

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        •  pshaw (none / 1)

          The European Open Root Server Network is live.

          ICANN has sucked for a long time (as in, since its formation) anyway because of this kind of meddling and practically no deliberation amongst its directors about important decisions (the idiotic .xxx TLD was just the latest bullshit).

    •  Oh, Pshaw! (none / 1)

      "The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here..."

      Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address

    •  They can just route around us (none / 0)

      So if we want to start and Internets War we'll probably lose that too...
    •  Hope to hell not!!!! (none / 1)

      Read through all of the slides and two things stood out:

      •  the $132,000,000.00 budget request for FY '06.

      •  the mention of India as the world's largest democracy.  

      First thing that struck me (in addition to what you have already stated) is India's proximity to Iraq.  

      Some of the info was over my head, but I will admit this is a very serious concern.

      "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." George Santayana

      by Street Kid on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 01:35:07 PM PDT

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    •  Oh I think it did... (none / 1)

      My earlier diary covering this slipped away pretty much unnoticed.

      Sigh...reduced to diary whoring. So sad.

      "That which I am writing about so tediously may be obvious to someone whose mind is less decrepit." - Ludwig Wittgenstein

      by Mad Dog Rackham on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 01:56:11 PM PDT

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      •  My apologies (none / 0)

        I did a diary search before I posted - I didn't want to step on any toes. I even used ICANN as a search term, which was in your diary. It didn't pop up.

        Thanks for also diarying the story - I'm glad you recognized it as important as well. Sorry your diary didn't get the notice it deserved, and that I missed it.

        And sorry for the late comment - I left town on Friday, and this is the first I've been back to the internet since then.

        Oh well, I wasn't using that civil liberty anyway.

        by think2004 on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 07:31:14 PM PDT

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  •  Article on PNAC (4.00 / 8)

    I think you're right. Below is a link to an article by WIlliam Rivers Pitt on PNAC. All the goals of PNAC are being met, with one being "Control the "International Commons" of cyberspace". It will happen if we don't raise hell.

    A MUST READ:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

    Thank you, Howard Dean.

    by thinkdouble on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 08:45:31 AM PDT

  •  Recommend (4.00 / 4)

    just getting the comment count up here; I don't know enough to comment intelligently

    The time for action is past. Now is the time for senseless bickering -- My T-Shirt

    by Frankenoid on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 08:55:57 AM PDT

  •  Thank you for the research, (4.00 / 4)

    Great catch....this is important.  If this is blasted away by the O'connor diaries please repost at a later date.
    peace
    Brian
  •  The reporting is wrong (4.00 / 29)

    This issue has been badly covered by corporate media, and the reporting is completely wrong.

    The US has reversed itself and won't give up control of the root servers for DNS (the Domain Name System). DNS is the bit of magic that lets people refer to sites by name instead of address. The root servers are the top-level ones, that understand ".com" and ".net" and ".org", etc. They, in turn, delegate responsibility to lower-tiered servers. When you go to, say, atrios.blogspot.com, you're actually asking Blogger's servers for the adress of "atrios". The root servers are queried to find out where Blogger's "blogspot.com" DNS is, since Blogger owns the "blogspot.com" domain.

    DNS takes a human-readable name like "www.dailykos.com" and turn it into an internet address (in this case 172.16.1.222). DNS is also used to do reverse lookups, turning addresses into names. The internet uses the addresses for communications, not the DNS names. Those exist solely for the convenience of people. If DNS were gone (and it didn't exist in the internet's early days), people could still go to any address on the internet by knowing what it is. Another interesting thing about DNS is that it is just an agreed-upon standard. It works because everyone chooses to use it. There is nothing stopping anyone from setting up an alternative DNS with different root servers and completely different names.

    With this move, the US is going to increase the likelihood of a parallel DNS. Just as the EU is setting up their own GPS system because of the way the US maintains control over the existing one, countries other than US are likely to support an international DNS that is not controlled by a petulant government. This is what ICANN was attempting to accomplish, and the US is acting petulant. What a shocker.

    Are you shaking or biting the invisible hand?

    by puppethead on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:09:11 AM PDT

    •  Oops, bad address! (none / 1)

      I'm such a twit. www.dailykos.com is 69.9.161.200. The other address was my DNS server. Hahaha.

      Are you shaking or biting the invisible hand?

      by puppethead on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:11:10 AM PDT

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    •  Thank you for the explanation (none / 0)

      I would have liked to get indepth with that, but I'm packing the car to head out of town, and had to get this up in a hurry to head out.

      Unless someone has bought their own domain name and created their own website, it's likely they won't know exactly what ICANN's role is, or how the DNS servers work. Thanks for going into it all.

      Oh well, I wasn't using that civil liberty anyway.

      by think2004 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:20:27 AM PDT

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    •  IMHO a parallel DNS will be set up (4.00 / 2)

      It's not that hard to do, and I would imagine the process is already starting.

      What scares me is how far the PNAC crew running BushCo is willing to go. And that their goals are all out there for everyone to read on their website and yet it seems like no one cares. Their goals are the greatest threat to America as we know it I have ever seen.

      "In the end we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." MLK, changed to this during the 2008 FISA fight

      by bewert on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:58:09 AM PDT

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    •  Wow, my eyes are glazed (none / 0)

      Thanks for the explanation, which still sailed way over my head.  I did come away with one VIP (very important point) -- the system works best when there's one standard that everyone can use. It just doesn't make sense to have different systems for different countries.  Look at cellphones, for example. Try to take your US cellphone to Europe and use it, without installing a special chip. Won't work. But your European cellphone works all over Europe (I'm pretty sure), no matter what country.

      So here we go again. The US invents something terrific, the internet, and Bush comes along and ruins it.

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      by Paul in Berkeley on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 11:37:37 AM PDT

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      •  Cell Phones (none / 1)

        Actually, you can use a normal cell phone that has a US SIMM card, as long as it uses the right bandwidth  frequency. I'm no expert, but I just went to Europe and all I had to do was call up my cell phone company and get it authorized for roaming in Europe (at a dollar minute).

        My point: international standards always trump national standards for communication technologies. We'll probably all be talking english, but conforming to Asian and European standards, and our DNS system will lose in competition to the outside, parallel, and probably superior one.

        Good riddance.

        McCain is a Chode.

        by dnamj on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 11:46:25 AM PDT

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  •  Recommend this. (3.37 / 8)

    With control of ICANN the administration can prevent U.S. IP's from any access to any web sites it wishes. They can shut down web sites by preventing access to them. They can monitor web usage of veryone.

    This takes the country one step closer to Big Brother, all they need now is to integrate webcams and audio pick-ups into P.C.'s so they can use your own computer to monitor you.

    I know that is a little "tin hat" but the technology exists and you can be sure some homeland security geeks are working on implimentation methods as we speak "just in case."

    •  They can do no such thing (4.00 / 4)

      The issue under consideration is U.S. control of the root DNS servers. If and when the U.S. starts playing games with the DNS, it's a very simple matter, almost too simple, for an international body to set up its own DNS root servers so that US and non-US users get two different maps of the Internet.

      The issue you're discussing is IP-level government sniffing and firewalling, a la China, and it will never happen as long as the US remains the preeminent economic power. For starters, the government would have to coerce all transnational Internet carriers to install massive sniffing and firewall equipment in their own facilities, with associated staff and government oversight. Such a development would be inimical to economic interests and will not happen before the US has slid headlong into decline.

      We must raise the cost of tyranny.

      by zyx zyx on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:29:32 AM PDT

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      •  They can, and already do (3.75 / 8)

        The issue you're discussing is IP-level government sniffing and firewalling, a la China, and it will never happen as long as the US remains the preeminent economic power. For starters, the government would have to coerce all transnational Internet carriers to install massive sniffing and firewall equipment in their own facilities, with associated staff and government oversight. Such a development would be inimical to economic interests and will not happen before the US has slid headlong into decline.

        First of all, I take it you've never heard of Echelon.  I'd find a link but you can google it and read up on it yourself.  Secondly, the U.S. government already has control of the major U.S. ISPs.  I worked for one prior to 9/11 and I can assure you that if the government wanted to sniff one of our users, they could, and routinely did.  We got faxes in from the FBI, Secret Service, etc. daily asking us for information, and they also ran some type of computers on our network that we were not allowed to know what they did or how they worked, just that they would put them there.

        •  LEO and "interested parties" (none / 1)

          This is a wholly different issue. LEOs also tap phones and have been doing this for decades.
          They use those funny "warrants" on specific people in specific investigations.

          And Echelon is a global listening network.

        •  Echelon (none / 1)

          Yes, I'm aware of Echelon, Carnivore, and wiretapping. The distinction to be made is in the government's ability to passively monitor limited subsets of Internet traffic as can be done now by LEOs or network admins, vs. the ability to transparently monitor, filter, and control the entire Internet as proposed by the poster. This would amount to inserting an extensive layer-7 bridge between the U.S. and the rest of the world, administered by an army of DHS technicians and bureaucrats. You'd have DHS ... doing tech support.

          This is quite a different affair than the DNS situation described in the article, and even from Echelon, and I find it inconceivable that such a thing could be reasonably attempted given the government's mixed success at efficient, effective physical security at the borders and the air traffic network.

          We must raise the cost of tyranny.

          by zyx zyx on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 05:37:41 PM PDT

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      •  Even more simple (4.00 / 2)

        You said "it's a very simple matter, almost too simple, for an international body to set up its own DNS root servers so that US and non-US users get two different maps of the Internet."

        Heck, it's even more simple for ISC to make the alternate roots the default in the next release of BIND ;)

    •  It's already possible (4.00 / 4)

      With control of ICANN the administration can prevent U.S. IP's from any access to any web sites it wishes.

      That's not how this would work, but they can already ask the ISPs to do this for them now.  If the government wanted to enable a nationwide blacklist, they would just give it to the right companies and it would be done, whether or not they had any control of ICANN.

      They can shut down web sites by preventing access to them.

      Just about anyone can do this now.  If I wanted to take down a site, I'd just hire a lawyer to write a threatening letter to send to the person running the site, the hosting company, and the ISP one step up from the hosting company.  It's extremely likely that one would shut the site down in some way so they wouldn't have to go to court.  The government can do it much easier than this.

      They can monitor web usage of everyone.

      They already can do this, and do it to a limited degree via Echelon.  However, if I can get access to a network I can run a type of software called a sniffer and sit back and record and monitor what you are doing.  I have done this before, and with the right software you can see people's passwords when they are sent in plain text, you can read people's instant messaging discussions, etc.  It's a very simple thing to do and it would take me all of five minutes to show you how.

      This takes the country one step closer to Big Brother, all they need now is to integrate webcams and audio pick-ups into P.C.'s so they can use your own computer to monitor you.

      Most people already do this voluntarily.  They get a webcam and microphone for their PC, and download crap that installs spyware.  Do a google search for trojan programs such as Back Orifice or Subseven (those were the rage back when I was curious about that type of stuff.)  They let you do everything you just said and more.  Another five minute lesson and you can do it.

      I know that is a little "tin hat" but the technology exists and you can be sure some homeland security geeks are working on implimentation methods as we speak "just in case."

      It's been done for years, and major hardware and software manufacturers are involved.  Perhaps another google search would be in order, for Microsoft Windows and hidden law enforcement files.  I forget if they have some DLLs installed in Windows or what it is, but there is something that lets the government gain access to your PC if they wish, thanks to Microsoft.

      •  oh, not that again (none / 1)

        It's been done for years, and major hardware and software manufacturers are involved.  Perhaps another google search would be in order, for Microsoft Windows and hidden law enforcement files.  I forget if they have some DLLs installed in Windows or what it is, but there is something that lets the government gain access to your PC if they wish, thanks to Microsoft.

        The infamous "NSAKEY" in Windows crypto is there so that Other Government Agencies (and anyone else so inclined) can drop their own crypto into off-the-shelf Windows and have it seamlessly work with it.

        It's NOT some sekrit escrow thing that allows the gummint to spy on you.

    •  No, this is just about name resolution. (none / 1)

      You or your ISP can at any time switch to an alternative set of root hint servers.

      Second at the level the US controls they can basically only remove the pointer to the controlling DNS for a certain top level domain.  So they could at best try to block .uk by just erasing the record.

      However such an attempt would be fairly futile since there would be more then enough ways for an individual or ISP to work around such an issue to restore name resolution to .uk domains.

      McCain '08: Like Hope, But Different.

      by Siberian on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 02:38:37 PM PDT

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    •  if you don't know, ASK (none / 1)

      With control of ICANN the administration can prevent U.S. IP's from any access to any web sites it wishes.

      No, the internet doesn't work like that.
      To accomplish what you are describing, the traffic on many major routers would have to be filtered.

      They can shut down web sites by preventing access to them.

      They could nuke a TLD by not providing a referral.
      But this is independent of the regulatory issues relating to DoC-ICANN. It just deals with physical location of the servers.

      They can monitor web usage of veryone.

      Not this way.

  •  The Chimp'll break 'em (4.00 / 3)

    Just like he does to everything else he touches.

    The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings. -- Julius Caesar, I.ii.

    by semiot on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:21:37 AM PDT

  •  Bush as 'man in the middle' (3.40 / 5)

    As a communication medium, the Internet is one of the few that is still beyond the control of big biz and BushCo. Control of the DNS servers allows the spys to easily create 'man in the middle' hacks to intercept all traffic going to a specific server. They can then read it (ie. spy on the content) or alter it then send in along it's merry way. The recipient would never know it was altered in transit.

    If I still trusted our Govt, I wouldn't be so worried. But our Govt has betrayed working Americans so many times now, I think of it as a financial terrorist org.

    Like methodical generals they are dismantling the communications infrastructure of their enemy, the American people. And yeah, I'd wear a tinfoil hat if I could still afford the tin foil.

    Anyone for a quick game of Chess.

    by CitizenOfEarth on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:24:06 AM PDT

  •  it's a good reminder (4.00 / 2)

    that those who are ignorant of how things work (like me) are the ones easily manipulated and controlled.
    Knowledge is power. I appreciate you putting this up.

    Why did we bother to beat the Soviet Union if we were just going to become it? Molly Ivins

    by offred on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:32:12 AM PDT

  •  That there is intent is not news (none / 1)

    Honestly, what form of communication and information transfer do you think these madmen would not consolidate and regulate if they had the wherewithall?  I don't think it's tinfoil hattish to wonder where bugs are.  They're probably lots of places.

    However, as someone mentioned upthread, the technology to hermetically seal and control the Internets is hard to imagine.  As for legislating it here?  Tough to herd billions of cats back into that bag.

    "I've waited all my life for a Republican Barack Obama. Now he shows up and he's a Democrat." - Frank Luntz

    by The Termite on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:32:40 AM PDT

    •  I disagree on a minor point. (4.00 / 2)

      I think intent IS news. And I think we need to pay attention to every last little thing that this administration would intend to do. They've proven themselves to be dangerous with their intentions. They intended to go to war with Iraq before Bush was even elected, but no one was paying enough attention.

      I agree that it would be tough to put the cats back into the bag. One might even say that it would be hard work. But Bush et al has steadily been working to erode our rights and freedoms since they took office, and my radar's still going off on this move.

      Oh well, I wasn't using that civil liberty anyway.

      by think2004 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:49:55 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Clarification (none / 1)

        My assumption has always been that there is literally nothing in the realm of media or information technologies that BushCo would not consolidate under the Pentagon if it could.  Dear Leader may pay lip service to the fourth estate but when he says his prayers at night, a state-owned and state-controlled media is right up there.  All you need to do is watch the disdain drip from his face every time he has to answer a question from one of "them."  Or watch what the FCC (dba Clear Channel) did under Powell's watch.  Limited resources may dictate that they have focused mostly on radio and television thus far, but again, the bottleneck is technology.  Or maybe the word is weaponry.  They'd need the ability to scuttle a new DNS infrastructure and right now we're not even capable of locating a wacko al Qaeda operative who launches a website.  But if someone knocked on the White House gates with a solution to that problem at 11am, they'd be eating steak with Rove by noon.

        So what I'm saying is that the intent has always been there.  That, to me at least, is not news.

        "I've waited all my life for a Republican Barack Obama. Now he shows up and he's a Democrat." - Frank Luntz

        by The Termite on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 10:30:47 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Not really (3.50 / 2)

    See post above. I think you are correct in that is the Bush admins intention, but it is impossible to control the internet. Someone can just set up an alternative server and everyone point to that.

    Impossible is nothing

    by DrSpike on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:34:29 AM PDT

    •  Alternate Server (3.66 / 3)

      You can point but you might not be able to shoot.  We still have flexibility, but the ability to control access to servers through a variety of direct and indirect means exists.  Indirectly, coordinated DoS attacks is a tool that precludes content from getting anywhere by forcing the server to be saturated with useless requests.  Directly, refusing to pass the network activity for the server can be done at any of several levels from ISP, backbone, and the trans-oceanic cables.  

      Consider how odd how that cable problems in India and pakistan cropped up soon after Porter Goss announced they knew where Osama was?  After 'repairs' are made, I'm sure they'll be better than ever.

      What if the alternate server's network communications simply aren't forwarded by backbone providers or ISPs?  An entry in their routing tables could simply divert network packets, at the datagram level, away for US systems.  Identify the server as a source of illegal activity and many ISPs and upstream service providers clamp down on the server.

      Controlling Google impacts things greatly.  Remember the effect of dropping URUKNET off of Google News:

      http://newdirection.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/20/21516/5221

      Also, for fun, compare the boards of directors serving Amazon, Friendster, Google, Novell, Sun, HP/Compaq, and a few other leading IT firms.  Certain names keep popping up, for example: John Doerr.  They are intertwined with big finance, telecommunications, media, governmental advisory boards, and direct key companies.  Big monied folks working with government making decisions affecting us all...hmmmm.  Darn this crinkly tin hat...too noisy.

      When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

      by antirove on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 10:13:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  OK, now you've done it! (4.00 / 3)

        You have stumbled upon the real issue here: That corporations, in the guise of 'Intellectual Property Protection' and 'Digital Rights Management' are engineering abrogation of your civil rights into the devices. If you bought a Jean-Paul Sartre paperback in Paris and then had it taken away from you upon entry into the US, people would be comparing that to totalitarian regimes - but it happens with DVDs every day, and nobody makes a peep. Right now, the 'region code' feature is primarily used to enforce artifical local monopolies - but who's to say Chinese DVD players  don't have their content filtered?  At this rate, 'corporate competitiveness' will completely trump personal privacy and liberty, in a very short while. And that's the important issue.

        Everyone will start to cheer when you put on your sailin' shoes.

        by hndrcks on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 11:40:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  There's already a company (none / 0)

          who sells DVD players (I think) that filter out the 'naughty bits'.  There was a lawsuit from directors and other creative types to prevent the Bowdlerization of movies etc., and I think the directors lost.

          Offshore drilling is like taking a chainsaw to your couch for the pocket change. You might get $1.20, but you'll have to pay $500 to replace the couch.

          by ohiolibrarian on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 01:42:47 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  the difference is (none / 0)

            If you want to buy a box that lets you turn R-rated movies into G-rated movies, that's not a threat to free speech because you have control and no one is forcing you to buy it or use it.  

            If Big Brother or his cousin Big Media want to do it to you without you having a say in it, that's a whole 'nother matter.  

            And the idea that Big Media should have the right to prevent you turning an R movie into a G in the privacy of your own home, for your own viewing, is no different than any other form of corporate or government control over what you watch: it's still oppressive, it's still someone else dictating what you can or can't see, or in this case, dictating what you must see even if you don't want to see it.  

            Be careful not to end up on the wrong side of this one.  

            •  And if the only DVD players available (none / 0)

              were the kind that filtered 'whatever'? That was the point of my comment.

              Would we have the equivalent of 'samizdat' and would people have to sneak around (or hack) to find the stuff that is suppressed?  

              Offshore drilling is like taking a chainsaw to your couch for the pocket change. You might get $1.20, but you'll have to pay $500 to replace the couch.

              by ohiolibrarian on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 01:58:59 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

  •  "The President" (none / 1)

    refers to the Department of the Presidency.

    Nobody believes that just because Bush is an incompetent moron, his Department is not an extraordinary threat.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 09:58:17 AM PDT

  •  Well, (none / 0)

    What if the gov decided to block a website. They could remove the resolution from the DNS servers. DNS works cause all ISPs point us to the DNS servers.

    So other countries set up their own DNS servers. The gov could tell our ISPs to only use the US DNS servers.  Thus blocking access to a website unless you happen to know the IP address.

    Most of the world has no clue how this actually works.  Getting the info out there for a specific website would be difficult but not impossible.

    I think this could be a huge hammer they could use to control corporations specifically. If the times decided to attack the gov full scale or they were thinking about publishing damming evidence, one more way to control them would be to restrict the resolution of their website for a while.  The resulting loss of revenue would be quite the eye opener.

    •  Manual override of ISP DNS settings (none / 1)

      I've set my computer to point to a set of Level3 DNS servers instead of the Comcast DNS servers because of the Comcast DNS outage that occured a few months ago.  If necessary, one could tell one's computer to point to foreign, unpoisoned DNS servers.

      Of course, most people wouldn't know about this, so the efficacy of such an attack would remain high.

    •  Nonsense (none / 1)

      By "most of the world has no clue how this actually works" I assume you're including yourself.

      ICANN controls the 13 top-level domain root servers. That mean that when your computer looks up "www.dailykos.com" it first asks (probably through one or more intermediaries) ICANN's root servers where to get information for ".com". ICANN says "Oh, you should go to netsol for that." Then you go off to Network solutions and say "Hey, where's dailykos.com?" and they say "You want ns.voxel.net for that." Then your computer goes to ns.voxel.net and says "I'm looking for www.dailykos.com" and ns.voxel.net tells you it's at 69.9.161.200.

      The thing to notice here is that ICANN or the DoC can only monkey with results to the extent of shutting off all of .com. They could, in theory, direct queries for a TLD to their own domain roots, but they'd have to replicate the entire existing domain root files first for it to work at all. In practice, they simply don't have this capability.

      Claiming that they could, or would, use TLD control to shut off access to a particular website is hysterical and ignorant.


      --
      I am a reform Democrat.

      by rusty on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 12:02:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Open Standards (4.00 / 2)

      The beauty of the Internet is that it is built on open standards - redundant, easy to replicate, capable of allowing heterogenous devices to communicate.

      That's where the 'whack-a-mole' component comes in. Somebody controls the root DNS? You set up a new DNS. Somebody blocks DNS requests on IP port 53? You set the DNS client to request on port 54, or 954, or 16,053. You have 65,000 ports to choose. Echelon sniffing for DNS-request-style packets? You encrypt. Etc., etc., ad nauseum.

      Unfortunately, in the interests of IP protection and 'security', companies are moving away from open standards where it counts - at the hardware level - and this is a disturbing trend that could easily be coopted by an unethical government.

      Everyone will start to cheer when you put on your sailin' shoes.

      by hndrcks on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 12:03:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Point (none / 0)

        My point was that it could be used as an attempt to block sites. I think the government could move towards more regulation where it would be illegal to set up an independent DNS server.

        How do you think China regulates the net? There are ways. Sure, people get around it. And every once in a while they go arrest a bunch of people.

  •  BushCo wants control of the internets??? (4.00 / 7)

    Ya THINK!!!???

    You bet your ASS it does!!!

    If it was simple, they would have done it already.

    But there's more than ONE way to control things.

    Y'wanna have some BIG fun?

    Move the China and try to post political or socially revolutionary ideas.

    They will be on your ass like white on rice!!!

    Too complex a story for a comment, but Google <china + control + internet> for all you need to know on THAT front.

    A short picture:
    ---
    (Go here to access a number of links that Mr. Geist includes in this article.)

    ---snip---

    While these events seemingly affirm the notion that the Internet is beyond the reach of governments and courts, my recent trip to China provided a powerful reminder that unfettered Internet access is far more fragile than is commonly perceived.  China, which boasts the world's second largest Internet user base, is currently home to more than 94 million Internet users, yet their Internet is far different from ours.

    These differences are not immediately obvious.  My hotel in Beijing featured high-speed Internet access much like that offered in hotels throughout North America.  Logging onto the network was a snap and I quickly found that bandwidth speeds were comparable to those found at home.

    It was once I sought to access common news sites that I found myself face to face with the "Great Firewall of China."  Google News, a popular aggregator of news stories from around the world, would not load into my browser, apparently blocked by a filtering system that employs 30,000 people to regularly monitor Internet traffic and content.  Similarly, while the BBC website would load, attempts to access news stories on that site yielded only error messages.

    My frustration increased when I attempted to download my own email.  While I was able to access my Canadian-based mail server storing my messages, the download was short-circuited midway as I suddenly lost the connection.  Although I initially thought that perhaps the error lay at the Canadian end, when the experience repeated itself, it became clear that the Chinese system was filtering my email messages and cutting off the connection.

    Having experienced limits in accessing both news and email, it came as little surprise to find that the search engines were subject to similar restrictions.  Searches for articles on circumventing the Chinese filters yielded a long list of results, none of which could be opened.  Moreover, inputting politically sensitive words such as the "Falun Gong" cut me off from the search engines completely.

    While I found using the Chinese Internet exceptionally frustrating, most people I spoke to were resigned to an Internet with limits.  They live with the fact that in recent months the government has shut down thousands of Internet cafes, an important point of access for many citizens.  Many noted that the censorship "only" affected political information, but that business could be conducted online unimpeded.  At one academic conference, Chinese law professors even spoke of the desirability of increased content regulation and supported government limits on search engine results.

    As groups such as Amnesty International and Reporters Without Borders regularly seek to remind us, the Chinese Internet is not unique.  Countries throughout the Middle East and in parts of Asia employ similar technologies to limit their citizens' access to a medium that most Canadians now take for granted.
    ---
    Do not get all comfy with ouir present freedoms.

    They WILL shut things down if they can do so without harming the economic aspects of the system. They would have done so ALREADY, in my belief, but in doing so they would have taken the risk of puncturing the internet financial  bubble which is to some degree all that is holding this fragile and seriously challenged financial system together.

    Bet on it...they've got folks working on this right now.

    Constitutional crisis?

    "Security" crisis? (Like losing an election...)

    Serious uprisings among the people due to environmental and/or terrorist problems?

    PFFFFTTTT!!!!

    Internet down.

    Bet on it.

    ! q/2 years to 2006.

    Crunch time.

    They win AGAIN...kiss ALL your freedoms goodbye.

    Clomp clomp clomp.

    Lockdown World.

    BET on it.

    And THEN...

    And then...the BIG Iraq.

    Right here at home.

    Bet on it.

    Later...

    AG

    "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

    by Arthur Gilroy on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 10:00:56 AM PDT

    •  BushCo Inc and MaoCo Inc (4.00 / 4)

      announced the completion of merger talks today. The deal - worth an estimated $130Zillion, will be handled in a complicated swap of treasury bonds, WalMart stock, labor units, and hoisin sauce as an added sweetener.

      The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings. -- Julius Caesar, I.ii.

      by semiot on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 10:33:58 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The Great Firewall of China (4.00 / 3)

       A little know-how and you can get around it. There are thousands of people constantly poking at it and finding new ways to circumvent the filters. China just topped 100 million internet users too. Even if they could fully lock it down they can't control all the client machines, and projects like FreeNet are only getting better.
       An intersting fact most people don't seem to know, US companies are responsible for China's filters - they are custom built by Cisco.

      "The power to dominate rests on the differential possession of knowledge" -Foucault

      by Jett on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 10:43:58 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Cisco??? (none / 0)

        Why am I not surprised by this?

        AG

        "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

        by Arthur Gilroy on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 11:14:32 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  and you don't have to buy Cisco product (none / 1)

        There is nothing Cisco makes that you can't build for yourself using off-the-shelf hardware and open-source operating systems & applications.  

        So, don't buy Cisco products, plain and simple.  And send them a letter (postal mail if you want it to get through) telling them why.  

      •  Isn't Cisco (none / 0)

        also behind nearly all of the wireless encryption standards?

        Our LAN/WAN still uses their LEAP standard which sucks.  As one of our network engineers explained it to me (I could have misunderstood, I'm only an applications geek--I haven't earned my pocket protector with oak leaf clusters yet) the LEAP protocols have been made "open source" and are a big part, if not all, of the yet-to-be-ratified 802.11 i standard.

        Like I said, I could have the details wrong.  If so, I know someone here will point that out.  That's the great thing about hanging around with people who are actually intelligent.

        "It's been headed this way since the World began, when a vicious creature made the jump from Monkey to Man."--Elvis Costello

        by BigOkie on Sat Jul 02, 2005 at 09:47:12 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I have an idea! (4.00 / 6)

    First, we give Bush control of AOL and tell him it's the largest internet.

    Second, stall Bolton until U.S. Space Forces are up and running, then nominate him to be ambassador to the United Federation of Planets.

    •  ohh no (none / 0)

      The last person I'd want representing me to the universe would be John Bolton.  Although it's rather amusing to imagine him encountering Klingons or Denevian slime devils. heh. If you're looking for an ambassador to the Federation, send John Edwards.  or John Conyers.  Just not John Bolton.  He'd get the planet blown up in the first six weeks of his tenure, maybe less.

      OWOWFO (Old White Ohio Woman for Obama) -7.00, -5.38 Support ePluribus Media

      by Jesus was a Liberal on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 07:46:34 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Tenent (4.00 / 2)

    Just Google George Tenent and Internet; and you will get a preview of what's to come unless the Democrats get a majority in Congress.

    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

    by rlharry on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 10:06:15 AM PDT

  •  The ICANN sucks (4.00 / 3)

     The ICANN has a long history of being really crappy and poorly run and politicized in the stupidest way possible. In actuality the US isn't going to hand over control of the root DNS servers to them so this diary is a little alarmist. Also, the thing about the internet is that even if that happened if enough people weren't happy about it someone would just put together an alternate root DNS infrastructure and as the saying goes: the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. A little technological determinism, but it's pretty much true.

    Considering the hacker culture of those who actually "run" the internet, if the US did hijack control of the internet and abuse that power, it would only be a matter of time before an alternate infrastructure would pop up. We might end up with a fragmented internet for awhile but I think the US would have to back down on this one, if only because their root DNS infrastructure would be under constant attack. Very few beauracrats understand what a few hundred pissed off hackers can accomplish, let alone a few hundred thousand who've just had their playground stolen from them.

    "The power to dominate rests on the differential possession of knowledge" -Foucault

    by Jett on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 10:34:55 AM PDT

    •  geeks are ferocious (none / 1)


      Geek culture is ferociously libertarian (with a small L).  There are two things geeks are absolutely militant about: one is Open Source and the other is the First Amendment.  

      Geeks will secede from the nation, form up an army, and (metaphorically speaking) wage war more effectively than George Washington himself, if any Adminstration even dares to impose content-based censorship here.  

      Geeks generally have enough disposable income to fund a war against censorship.  

      Geeks also generally support the "individualist" interpretation of the Second Amendment, and know that algorithms are munitions.  

      And if all the geeks decided to stay home from work for a week, the US economy would shut down faster than the stock market could register the crash.  

  •  Come on (none / 0)

    Why is this such a big deal. Sometimes I get frustrated by my fellow liberals' mindsets. We built the internet. controlling information and communications is power. The 13 Root Servers are, what, in the basement of The CIA in Reston or something? Why relinquish control? What good reason is there to relinquish control of the Internet's Master directory/index? For the good of man? It's not like the government just up and seized control of the internet. The government always had and alway will have control of the internet. And all of the big brother stuff..please get over it...The government already monitors pretty much all electronic commnications. As much as I loath the Administration, nobody in it is that sinister. And the notion of our government creeping towards INGSOC and big brother, by way of a lack of opposition, that's a joke too. I live in VA, a Bible belt, republican stronghold, and just yesterday I read or heard on the radio that VA is killing the red light camera ticketing program.
  •  great diary (none / 0)

    but please singular internet, not internets.  If just making fun of Bush, my bad.
    •  Sorry it wasn't clear (none / 0)

      It was pluralized to make fun of Bush. I guess it doesn't come through well as well in print as in a conversation.

      I did like KrazyPuppy's comment near the top - maybe we'll end up with internets after all!

      Oh well, I wasn't using that civil liberty anyway.

      by think2004 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 11:05:43 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Raises interesting possibilities (4.00 / 2)

    I agree that it's somewhat alarmist to say that the Bush Admin will be able to "take over" the Internet on anything like a permanent basis if it wants to because of this ICANN, DNS root thing.  I don't think that there are all that many policy makers in the Admin that really have a clue about how IP networks work and, anyway, as I recall, not ALL of the DNS root servers are located in the US, so a physical takover wouldn't work.

    However, if the Bushies were to suddenly declare martial law for some ambiguously-explained "terror threat", they could poison the DNS system and black out the Internet for most US citizens temporarily - leaving most of us able to get "news" about the crisis only from "approved broadcast channels" long enough to attempt something even more wicked than they've done so far - like, say, nuking Iran.

    What I mean is that some Bushies have obviously come to understand that their opposition (us) has become fairly dependent on the Internet for acquiring and disseminating the "real" news (versus Bush propaganda or the shallow nuggets provided between commercials by the major TV and radio networks).  If all they need to do to implement some nefarious scheme is to keep us in the dark for awhile, they can and probably will do so.

    Some folks prefer a map and finding their own route. Others need someone to tell them where to go.

    by sxwarren on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 11:35:02 AM PDT

    •  You mean if I tune in (none / 0)

      to the dKos Early Warning System (DEWS) someday, and it doesn't work, that means there's a crisis of some sort?

      The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings. -- Julius Caesar, I.ii.

      by semiot on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 01:07:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yeah, well . . . (none / 0)

        There have been a coupla times in the past few months that, due to an ordinary technical glitch, dKos has been "off the air" or really difficult to reach for a coupla hours and the reaction from some folks here was, like, "What a relief!  I thought the Bush Admin had finally shut us down!"

        Naw.  Verizon screws up its DNS servers and my own router needs resetting often enough that I don't worry about these things a whole lot.  I ping IP addresses, change my own DNS server settings, etc.

        Now, in the clear morning light (actually, still socked in with thick fog here on the Maine coast), my original comment does seem tinged with paranoia  I guess what I'm saying is that, IF the Bushies wanted to, for a few hours or days, excercise even more control over the flow of public information than they do now, they could.  I don't really think it would happen.

        Some folks prefer a map and finding their own route. Others need someone to tell them where to go.

        by sxwarren on Sat Jul 02, 2005 at 04:00:58 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I was being a bit tongue in cheek (none / 0)

          On the other hand, if half of what half the people on dKos say is true about the limits to which BushCo will not go (are there no limits?) to maintain and extend its power over the minds of mankind, then yes, we have some concerns about the continued existence of this vehicle for inquiry into the truth that is dKos. Keep the faith, baby. And keep the lines open.

          The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings. -- Julius Caesar, I.ii.

          by semiot on Sat Jul 02, 2005 at 08:58:30 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  EGADS! (none / 0)

    The first thought that popped into my head was, how Orwellian.

    This is sending shivers up my spine.

    "All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand." ~ Steven Wright

    by IndigoBlues2 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 11:35:10 AM PDT

  •  ICANN is a joke (4.00 / 2)

    This is not bad news at all. DoC has always officially held the role they're now saying they will retain (they hold it right now -- does this mean Bush currently owns the internets?). ICANN has a long record of lousy management, incompetence, and corporate toadying. The ICANN board has been known to change the rules when it suits them in order to retain control, up to and include refusing to seat properly elected representatives, and has always been "corporation-friendly" in ways that even the WTO would blush at.

    I know it's tempting to make this some kind of easy knee-jerk right/left issue, but if you think ICANN is the savior of the internets, you've got a very rude surprise coming.


    --
    I am a reform Democrat.

    by rusty on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 11:43:56 AM PDT

    •  What worries me, though, (4.00 / 2)

      is that this administration would privatize any darn thing they could get their hands on. They want to privatize things that shouldn't be privatized (social security). We should have a national health care system, but that's out of the question... gotta keep it in the free market system. Can't have the health of our citizens in the government domain. Must be private.

      ICANN was set to go private in 2006. Now they are saying it will not go private, and that Commerce will control it indefinitely. Why keep this in the gov't domain?

      And the fact that it's poorly run... lousy management, incompetence, corporate toadying... when has that ever received a second glance? That's the American corporate way. Cynical, I know, and open to argument/interpretation. But my point is that I really can't see the way that it's managed making a bit of differenct to this administration.

      Oh well, I wasn't using that civil liberty anyway.

      by think2004 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 12:04:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Thanks for more information (none / 0)

      on this issue. I've noticed it's too darn easy to jump to a conclusion and get paranoid. There is usually a lot more information to digest before a correct conclusion can be reached. Thanks for your contribution. It helps put this issue into perspecitve.

      It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!

      by kathika on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 05:45:54 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  "The President's Broadband Vision..." (none / 1)

    "The President's Broadband Vision..."

    Right. That's what the cons love about Bush, he'll say whatever he's told too. I wonder if he knows he has a "broadband vision?"

  •  World Summit on Information Society (3.66 / 3)

    Browsing around on the subject I ran across this Summit.  Sorry if previously posted.

    "The report is a precursor to a UN summit on the Information Society in Tunisia during November, at which countries like Brazil and China are due to express dissatisfaction at the central role of the US in internet control."

    (November 16-18, 2005)

    vnunet.com article

    World Summit on the Information Society

  •  We knew it was coming... (none / 0)

    Now what can we do ?

    The Permanent Republican Majority lasted about as long as The Thousand Year Reich

    by lawnorder on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 12:58:48 PM PDT

  •  Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (4.00 / 3)

    For everybody looking to uncover a government conspiracy about access to activity on the Internets you should spend a little time here.

    http://www.askcalea.net/

    In October 1994, Congress took action to protect public safety and ensure national security by enacting the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (CALEA), Pub. L. No. 103-414, 108 Stat. 4279. The law further defines the existing statutory obligation of telecommunications carriers to assist law enforcement in executing electronic surveillance pursuant to court order or other lawful authorization.

    CALEA is about access, not authority. CALEA does not expand law enforcement's fundamental statutory authority to conduct electronic surveillance. It simply seeks to ensure that after law enforcement obtains the appropriate legal authority, telecommunications carriers will have the necessary capability, and sufficient capacity, to assist law enforcement regardless of their specific systems or services.

    The objective of CALEA implementation is to preserve law enforcement's ability to conduct lawfully authorized electronic surveillance while preserving public safety, the public's right to privacy, and the telecommunications industry's competitiveness. CALEA implementation responsibilities are delegated to the Federal Bureau of Investigation by the Attorney General, see 28 C.F.R. § 0.85(o).

    -7.88, -7.13 Republicans hate us for our freedoms

    by ocooper on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 01:03:13 PM PDT

  •  Can't there be another internet? (none / 0)

    There has to be support for an alternative internet, one international, fluid, and ultimately sovereign unto itself.
  •  Another view (3.75 / 4)

    Offshore drilling is like taking a chainsaw to your couch for the pocket change. You might get $1.20, but you'll have to pay $500 to replace the couch.

    by ohiolibrarian on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 01:54:34 PM PDT

  •  Frightening, isn't it... (none / 1)

    I came across the PNAC site in late December 2002 quite by accident.  During the Christmas holiday, I was searching for information that would explain Bush's obsession with Saddam Hussein and Iraq in the "war on terror".  After the horror of 9/11 I was still a bit trusting that he may have a good reason for the focus on Iraq, but it did not make complete sense given that the primary attacker were Saudi.

    When I started reading the 1998 letters to Clinton and Lott/Ginrich on PNAC, I first thought I was on a satire site like the Onion or the old National Lampoon.  Must be a joke, right?  I continued reading, including the entire document referenced above.  I looked at the names on the documents.  Things began making sense.  Then I was scared.  I recognized the Iraq agenda for what it was and realized that there are some really insane folks running this government.  

    For the first time in over 30 years I started to become politically active.  I carried around copies of the 1998 letters along with pages iv and v from Rebuilding and gave them to anyone who will listen.  

    A wakeup is long overdue; this agenda needs to be stopped.  These materials should be a companion piece to the DSM.    
     

  •  Read this as well early this am... (none / 1)

    ...and the thought occurred to me that Bush may have been right when he slipped and said, "internets"

    The entirely scary thing in the piece (as a web design firm owner):

    • If other countries, say China, or Russia, decide to create their own free-standing Internet on their own servers, how much will our current Internet system be devalued?

    • The CNN piece mentions that the new Internets could hand out any type of domain names that they want. So, if they want to hand out the same .com addresses we already use today on this Internet, that action will create a whole host of legal, logistical, and security issues for current .com (and .biz and .edu, etc.) owners.

    • As if identity theft and phishing and spam aren't troubling enough, you'll now have to rush to purchase every Internet's version of your .com address, to protect yourself from others impersonating you or your online business. Heck, maybe China's or Russia's .com versions won't be available to Americans because the gov't wants to devalue our current Internet at the start of a cyberwar?

    • What happens if there are 5, 10, 15 different Internets that spring up? How quickly will that make it impossible for the small guy to compete in that type of environment?

    • As surfers, how many more layers of complexity will we need to have to deal with in the online world?

    [Cue Twilight Zone music ]

    Could Bush had made a freudian slip when he said 'Internets'? :o)

    Just dreadful news.

  •  how it works and what we can do (none / 1)

    Simple explanation of DNS

    By analogy with telephones.  You pick up the phone and dial Operator and ask to be connected to Roy Joebob in Podunk Michigan.  Your local operator checks with the central database of area codes to find Podunk.  That central database of area codes is analogous to the root servers.  Then your operator gets the right area code (which happens to be 734) and rings up Directory Assistance in area code 734, and asks for the telephone number for Roy Joebob.  

    Directory Assistance in 734 tells your local operator that Roy Joebob's phone number is 555-2368.  Now your local operator dials 734-555-2368 and drops off the line, and you hear a ringing tone, and Roy answers.  

    If you knew Roy's phone number, you could dial him directly.  

    If Roy's business card said only "Roy Joebob in Podunk Nebraska," you'd have to go through the Operator to reach him.

    But if Roy's business card also said 734-555-2368, you could dial directly.  

    We've all become spoiled by "dialing by name" on the internet.  The internet DNS is nothing more than a system that allows us to dial by name rather than by number.  

    The "telephone numbers" on the Internet are called "IP addresses" that point to your server.  Except that in Internet Protocol, the "phone number" is written "in reverse," with the area code last, for example Roy Joebob's phone number would be written as 2368-555-734.

    Simple way to deal with this issue

    All we need to do is have web pages (i.e. especially dissident pages, hey Markos check this out) put their IP numbers on their web page headers, right under the name.

    For example, Daily Kos would change its header to put
    "69.9.161.200"  right under the name "Daily Kos."  

    Then get people i