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We are like Zarqawi:

Iowahawk Special July 4 Guest Commentary
by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi

Americans are famous for their diversity, and nowhere is this diversity more on display than in the various ways we celebrate the Fourth of July. Whether you are a traditional infidel enjoying hot dogs and cold watermelon, a recent immigrant infidel celebrating your new citizenship with a colorful piñata full of sweet treats, or like me, a not-as-yet-arrived-there-American who celebrates our independence through videotaped beheadings, we Americans have an almost infinite variety of ways of `lighting up the Fourth.'

. . . Sadly, this chorus of intolerance has grown since America embarked on its disastrous campaign of militarism in the Mideast. Instead of focusing on the real issues that trouble us -- like rampant poverty, Zionist aggression, and our immodestly dressed female cousins who have dishonored our clans -- these `neocon' voices have sought to distract us with a stupid war for oil and empire. Those of us who have stood up in principled, armed opposition to Bush's misadventure have been branded "unpatriotic."

. . . So, on this day when we mark the birth of the Great Satan, let us remember that true patriotism is not a "one-size-fits-all" idea. While there may be precious little to celebrate America as it is, millions of us real patriots will continue to celebrate the idea of America as it could be. Allah willing.

After all the hue and cry over Dick Durbin, surely "conservatives" will condemn this comparison to Al Qaida? Riiiiight.

Find out in  extended.

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Fucking pricks. You goosestepping McCarthyites.

Now go cry to momma. You yellow-bellied elephants.

•  Type on!

  The 101st out in full force on the fourth.

  by FineBottledWater on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 09:50:14 PM PDT

  •  Durbin asked for 45 MPG standards...

    ...why has nobody else joined his call for that?

    Aside fromt he fact we could have 60mpg standards... not many reps call for that either.

    by Mr Murder on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:06:21 PM PDT

    •  Japan already has 60 MPG cars

      They're called "city cars", have 600cc or less, and are small enough to pick up and fold under your arm.  Well, OK, not THAT small, but small.  When your auto tax is rated by engine size, manufacturers are pressured to squeeze max performance out of small engines.

      You could have a 100 MPG car - all depends on what you want to give up.

      by moltar on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:28:26 PM PDT

•  Fucking pricks. You goosestepping McCarthyites.

  Can't add much to that Mando. Except maybe:

  Chinga tu madre pinches putos.

  by chuco35 on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 09:58:49 PM PDT

  •  Or in Portuguese

    Nazistas filhos da puta!

    Who wants to add other languages ?

    by lawnorder on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:15:48 PM PDT

    •  your sig

      I love it -- where is it from?

      by DoctorScience on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 05:07:00 AM PDT

      •  From an article in Bellaciao

        by Dr. Teresa Whitehurst

        http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=3909

        by lawnorder on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 01:10:07 PM PDT

•  After all...

  ...who better to channel a thug than another thug?

  by sagesource on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:00:10 PM PDT

•  Armando...

  What is this twaddle?

  This looks like a concoction.  Mental masturbation for Cons.

  I went to GooNews, and I guess that contwits laugh at 2 SEALs found dead, or that just a bit ago there was another Indonesian Earthquake.

  What a pack of jokers.

  they can't defend Bush so they yank each others cranks and expect us to watch?!

  TAXI!

  by boilerman10 on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:01:34 PM PDT

  •  yeah, I don't get it

    Are they saying that sounds like a message a "liberal" would say or that we would agree with that message?

    It's not really offensive, just stupid.

    by hotspur on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:20:25 PM PDT

    •  Then

      you are ok with this? "Those of us who have stood up in principled, armed opposition to Bush's misadventure have been branded "unpatriotic."

      Frakly, I don;t see how any self respecting person could be.

      But I am not good at taking shit.

      by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:23:01 PM PDT

      •  incoherent drivel

        If some derelict wino curses me out, I don't curse back. I cross the street.

        It's a ham-handed attempt to equate patriotic dissent with terrorism that's not going to convince anyone who hasn't been huffing model airplane glue. It's so poorly written that I've read it three times and can still hardly parse it.

        Mouth-breathing wingnut doesn't understand what America is really about. News at 11.

        by hotspur on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:47:44 PM PDT

        •  Cross the street?

          Oh boy.

          There's a winning strategy.

          Reminds me of Dukakis.

          by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:49:41 PM PDT

          •  when Rove says it, it's news

            This is some small fry. Being on dKos front page will make his year and the attention and hate-mail will give him a week-long erection. (I apologize for the imagery, but I bet it's literally true.)

            Unless this guy is some big wig I don't know about, who cares? They say some crazy stuff on the Yahoo News Boards, too.

            by hotspur on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:02:29 PM PDT

            •  You don't get it

              The trackbacks.

              this was cited approvingly at Red State.

              So your objection is that no one knows about it.

              It will be, as it is moving now, on every Right Wing blog.

              Will you react then? If then,why not now?

              If the guy gets hate mail and attention as a goose stepping McCarthyite, that is bad how?

              Unmask these fucking Nazis, that's the point.

              by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:08:21 PM PDT

              •  okay, that makes sense

                If this is really poised to take off in the right-wing blogosphere, I'll take your word for it. I thought he was just another ignorant jackass trolling for attention and I didn't see why you were giving him 50k readers.

                by hotspur on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:23:58 AM PDT

            •  This Guy Is Big

              Iowahawk is routinely quoted on FReep, LGF, Instapundit, Powerline, the whole shebang, kit, and kaboodle of right-wing blogs.  When he isn't too busy being stupid he's also probably the funniest of them all.  There's no harm in giving this guy publicity.

              by Power on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 07:28:17 AM PDT

          •  I dont think you get what he's saying Armando

            He's saying "GFY" to the chickenhawks. Who gives a flying damn what they say, honest to god. I dont like them, dont wanna be around them, could care less what they think, dont want to hear their opinions. They're idiots. Immoral cowardly idiots.
            So honestly who gives a damn what they think.

            And i think (in no smart due to the work of people like you) that theyre on the run. And viewed as pretty pathetic by americans in general (Remember: More americans identify democrat than republican).
            When a neo-idiot comes up to you and preaches his shit do you cower (as the quisling wing used to insist we do)? No.. you point him to the nearest recruiter and tell him to GFY if he wont put his ass where his mouth is.

            You're being defensive. Stoppit. We're in a life and death fight and theyre on the roaps squealing like pigs that us "evil mean bully liberals" are hurting their widdle feewings.

            by cdreid on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 05:05:32 AM PDT

            •  You're way wrong

              Utterly.

              kos hits with the one two.

              by Armando on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 09:53:51 AM PDT

              •  Your point is

                We have to fight every smear. Not let them get away with it.

                My point is this is a trap. It works every single time. Insult  the democrats they spend the next year responding to every tiny quibble. Meanwhile our eye is off the ball, people see them us as nitpickers, the rethugs get a reprieve from the constant hammering we've been giving them. Its' the Clinton syndrome. Rethugs make something up and throw their machine behind it. We spend a month responding and quibbling and "reaching out" and and and.. meanwhile theyve thrown two other slanders.

                O'reilly says your unamerican. YOu can spend twenty minutes trying to define patriotism, show how you're patriotic, show how they arent.. (20 minutes he wont give you to speak. Twenty Seconds would be a stretch). Or you can say "Oh bullshit are you really that pathetic? Our leader has a bronze star.. you've got what.. a feathered typewriter chickenhawk? Grow up "

                You'd win  over REPUBLICANS with that.. as well as give independants and democrats a little more faith.

                by cdreid on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:15:23 PM PDT

        •  Easy on the huffers

          I don't think they'd be fooled either.

          by mungley on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:32:07 AM PDT

        •  any intelligent person

          would look at that and realize it doesn't even make a coherent point. why argue with moron-osity? i think this should be forwarded and pointed out to people who ostensibly agree with the 101st Fighting Keyboarders to expose them for the goosestepping dipshits they are.

          by Planet B on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:40:12 AM PDT

          •  It already has been.

            That's Armando's point. That is what passes for logic in the right-wing world today.

            by Eternal Hope on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 05:05:32 AM PDT

      •  I am furious too

        Them daring to equate us with terrorists always gets my blood boiling!
        I guess it never occurs to them that there are liberal soldiers in Iraq who are combating the terrorists. It never occurs to them that many liberals are Veterans themselves. I wonder if that is because they can never comprehend the real horror and cost of war cause they would never go. They would just send others and tell the soldiers to buck up, smile and act happy.

        by wishingwell on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:52:38 PM PDT

    •  Don't Be Blind?

      Try this:

      "a recent immigrant infidel celebrating your new citizenship with a colorful piñata full of sweet treats,"

      Fucking racist, and if you can't see it...

      And this:

      "Sadly, this chorus of intolerance has grown since America embarked on its disastrous campaign of militarism in the Mideast. Instead of focusing on the real issues that trouble us -- like rampant poverty, Zionist aggression, and our immodestly dressed female cousins who have dishonored our clans -- these `neocon' voices have sought to distract us with a stupid war for oil and empire. Those of us who have stood up in principled, armed opposition to Bush's misadventure have been branded 'unpatriotic.'"

      Putting our arguments in the mouth of OBL. Surely if you look hard enough you can see that the message is that we support OBL.

      And Also This:

      "or like me, a not-as-yet-arrived-there-American who celebrates our independence through videotaped beheadings."

      As if our dissent from the Bush War will result in OBL taking over America. Surely you can see that!
      

      by chuco35 on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:58:35 PM PDT

    •  actually it is offensive.

      (I just gave out this AM, and had to go to sleep)

      It contrives a pronouncement from what is likely an "Emmanual Goldstein" character and all-purpose boogeyman for the purpose(?) of, well, I think it was a feel-good exercise in self reassurance.

      The arch right can't handle the notions that: 1, they were played very cheap by the Bush mob; 2, that as Billmon points out so well, that these seeming super-patriotic types are playing into the hands of, and are doing ALL the work for Osama bin Laden and HIS cause; and 3, as Rich Proctor pointed out in his recent essay over at The Smirking Chimp, "Hubristic "Best and Brightest" Know-It-Alls bumble into situation known for centuries of ethnic and religious turmoil, ignor cultural context of area, and stick to wrong-headed "political" explanations, even when they are proven worthless? Check."  which of course places the grass roots sympathizers of Bush War into a position of having to rationalize a lie.....and they do this rationalization with another lie.

      I call that mental masturbation, and in a group, as shown there, "mutual crank yanking."  I don't want to look....TAXI!

      What's more, its sad.  The arch right needs to get beyond denial when dealing with the corruption and incompetence of the Bush mob.  They were played, but at the same time I don't get that warm fuzzy feeling of "I told you so!" when looking at these, my fellow Americans, lashing out in agony as the dream of a conservative Presidency, and indeed conservative political rennaisance dissolves into a cess poll of lies, towering deceit, treason, incompetance, and political corruption of a scale not seen since the Grant Administration of the 19th century.

      There IS a place for American Conservatism at the table of politics and yes, power, in America.  All our fellow Americans have done is to have chosen the wrong people to represent their cause, and if I were an arch right winger, I would want to make damn, GODDAM, sure that some two-faced monstrosity like the Bush/Cheney gang NEVER corrupts the conservative cause EVER AGAIN!  

      Since American Conservatism works "top-down/Lord in heaven-master class-everybody else" Cons need to recognize that they were betrayed by THEIR LEADERSHIP, THEIR "MASTER-CLASS" and NOT by an opposition that has been far more staunch and persistant than ANYONE, including ourselves will admit or for that matter even understands considering the bombardment of negativity we are subjected to daily, even by our own side.

      So, the BS from the wingers is predictable, but I think it is a sad sight.

      I can go on and on but I will let the collapse of the rational for Bush's pack of lies war in Iraq, the bumbling and neglect that has all but ruined the Afghanistan camapign, and the corruption of the Plame affair, the DeLay capers, Cunningham, Jeffy-poo and that towering hypocrisy, and the growth of eliminationist rhetoric speak for itself.

      Bush promised Cons he would be better than Clinton.  

      It isn't "better" fellas, time to face up to it!

      by boilerman10 on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 06:26:27 AM PDT

•  That Beer guy sounds drunk

  When do they deploy?

  by x on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:02:08 PM PDT

  •  Cowards

    cower behind their computers and talk tough.

    by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:03:10 PM PDT

    •  I'd like to

      meet them all together in a dark alley, just me & my brick.  Prolly wouldn't take much to knock their stupid drunk asses down.  Hell, I bet just looking at them sideways would make them lose bowel control.  What's their excuse for not going & facing down the terrists in person?  Ass boils?   Sphincterlessness?  Shit for brains?

      by x on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:14:32 PM PDT

      •  Guys like Rich Lowry and...

        Jonah Goldberg (and all the fuckwits quoted above) would probably flee a real fight, leaving a trail of urine behind them as they try desperately to dial 911 on their blackberries.  Sometimes government is good...

        by chuckvw on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:58:18 PM PDT

        •  Definitely

          The cowards.

          by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:59:42 PM PDT

        •  Precisely!

          And they do not seem to care much about the wounded soldiers who come back to this country and cannot find a job or struggle to make ends meet. Many of their wives have to quit their jobs to go to the hospital or rehab center to help care for their spouses. Everytime a service member is killed in combat, their response tends to be..well that happens in War or they knew what they were getting themselves into. It tells me they lack empathy and are totally self absorbed. If any of them ever experienced War , they would be whining and bawling about it how they got screwed. They think they are too cold to go to War and actually do not show support for Veterans causes. If I hear one more Republican thank a Veteran and then turn their backs on them especially Repubs in Congress, I think I will puke.

          by wishingwell on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:58:23 PM PDT

          •  i Mean...

            Some of these wingnut blogs think they are too cool to join the military or too good to join the military. I get this feeling all the time reading wingers statements on blogs and news forums. But they love to wave the flag and wave goodbye as our men and women go to fight over there. What bunch of cowardly weenies.

            by wishingwell on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:00:49 AM PDT

          •  Bad for Business

            ... and these same Rethuglicans will be the first to fire "that woman" who needed time off to go care for her veteran husband.  "It's only business" they'd say, while handing her a patriotic-themed final paycheck.

            by rabel on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 04:51:04 AM PDT

•  Wow.

  Just when you think these guys couldn't be bigger dicks, there you go.
  

  by TNliberal on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:03:07 PM PDT

•  4th of July

  It doesn't belong to terorists or people pretending to be terrorists.  But I clearly have to study up on my fantatical right wing idioms, cause I have no fucking idea what any of the meant.

  by David in Burbank on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:04:29 PM PDT

•  Heh

  Is that all they've got?  Sharpen your knives folks.

  by Dancing Larry on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:06:35 PM PDT

  •  Yeah

    I would love for some of these wingnuts to say these things to our Kossack Vets face to face!
    I bet they would be running and hiding. They are not brave, they would never be able to stand up and say this surrounded by some of our Vets here.!!! That is for sure!!!
    Our Vets here would kick some ass..I have no doubts about that.

    by wishingwell on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:02:54 AM PDT

    •  That dont happen

      EVER.

      Ill tell you something about neocons. The ones i know anyway... the southern wingnuts (Im southern and PROUD of it). They have codewords for finding their kin. They'll find groups they THINK are supposed to be wingnuts like themselves and start going into one of their little rants. Then when you straighten them out with facts .. or I usually do it  by saying "Im a union lovin, democrat votin lefty vet who makes Kerry look like a  wingnut".. they shut up. .then start talking about we need diverse opinions.. then move on to how all politicians are lying crooks etc.

      Ive NEVER had one question my patriotism to my face. Ever. Thats the one thing i honestly think would land me in jail.. because i dont think i could stop once i started.

      These wingnuts are for the most part just people who have been conned. They dont know the facts, and im not talking about minutia.. im talking about the basics. Like unions increase worker wages and protections. Like we dont want Anybody telling you who to worship. Like we want to hunt down and kill everyone ever associated with Al Qaeda. Like the reason a lot of us oppose the death penalty is because our courts are corrupt and we dont want innocents to die. You just have to wake the sane ones up. And send the others cowering back to their holes.

      by cdreid on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 05:15:34 AM PDT

      •  asdf

        I have had my patriotism questioned by a few who didn't know that I'm a vet. My general response is to open my wallet and produce my military ID...typically the argument ends (soon thereafter) in, "I, I, I, I, um thanks for your service...BYE." on their part. These fukkers have huge brass balls when securely ensconsed in their chairs behind their keyboards (or the flag as the case may be) but, when presented with the real deal (someone who has actually stood up in defence of their country) they don't know how to handle it. They're all candy-asses at heart and, I could lie and tell you that I haven't derived a certain amount of satisfaction from putting them in their place but, that would be foolish because it's actually a hell of a lot of fun.

        by green917 on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 11:30:06 AM PDT

    •  asdf

      As one of the many vets here, I would love to face down any (or all) of these mealymouthed simpering little armchair quarterbacking bastards.

      by green917 on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 11:24:16 AM PDT

•  Somebody send them my screed

  with love

  Sample...

  
  Republicans celebrate fighting imperialism in World War I, fascism in World War II, communism during the Cold War, genocide in Bosnia, and terror and theocracy in Afghanistan.

  And these are all good things to fight.

  So why did Republicans quit doing so, and bog down 90% of America's combat forces in a private vendetta of the Bush clan, when there's plenty of terror and theocracy, totalitarianism and genocide to confront and punish elsewhere?

  I mean, what's up with that?

  by cskendrick on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:10:26 PM PDT

  •  Zing.

    nm

    by FineBottledWater on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:15:03 PM PDT

  •  That's revisionism

    Repunants opposed involvement in WWII & Bosnia, & abetted theocracy in Afghanistan, armed Saddam, & are currently in bed fellating dictators & tyrants from Egypt to Uzbekistan, & as far up the asses of the corportist/Dominionist fascist nutjobs they have their heads, they are about to take the very shape of the shit they espouse.

    They're not just pricks, they're puny, mishapen, diseased, necrotic pricks. They are soulless zombies.

    by x on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:26:55 PM PDT

    •  I'm just playing off THEIR screed, dude

      It does no good to mock the opposition, if one does not tear their sand castles down. :)

      by cskendrick on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 05:06:36 AM PDT

      •  fwiw

        I forwarded yer diary to everyone on my contact list. Brilliant rant!

        by green917 on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 11:32:26 AM PDT

        •  Why thank you, Green

          The hardest part of information is distributing it. :)

          by cskendrick on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 06:14:50 PM PDT

•  This does not deserve the publicity

  you give it, Armando.

  Nor do the vulgar responses do any good for the causes we believe in.

  Your buttons have been pushed, and you have reacted.

  Score one for the right-wing idiot faction.

  by d52boy on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:19:24 PM PDT

  •  Score one

    for punching back.

    You want to win in the rarified air of your mind.

    I don't play that shit.

    You go win in your debate club.

    I am trying to win in the real world.

    by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:21:03 PM PDT

  •  You over-rate yourself.

    You can't defend Bush no matter how glossy the site.

    So, you play little games.

    It's sad.  

    by boilerman10 on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:23:23 PM PDT

  •  Sorry...

    But when someone states that I sympathize with OBL, I consider the comment fighting words. That old warhorse Henry B. Gonzalez, former Democratic Congressman from San Antonio, punched out a wing-nut at a restaurant in San Antonio in 1967 for calling him a commie, as a result of his anti-VN War votes in the Congress -- at the ripe old age of 71. He did a lot more good for the cause in that fashion than if he had simply kept on eating his breakfast of huevos rancheros.

    by chuco35 on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:29:49 PM PDT

    •  Hear hear

      by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:37:11 PM PDT

    •  Personally, I'm ready...

      ...to do some punching out.

      Jesus Christ.  

      I used to drink too much and get into fights.  It was irresponsible and stupid, and I got over it.  But I was a high school and college wrestler, and did a lot of martial arts, and it felt cool to show off and mouth off to other big mouthed bullies in bar.

      Yup, I was an idiot.  I'm in my forties now, and I try to be a good, upright, compassionate citizen.  I have a family, and I've always thought -- man, I don't want to do ANYTHING to jeopardize my timr with them.

      But.

      These wingnuts have my goddamned adrenaline going, these days more than ever.  After all the truth that has come out, they're still spweinhg filth about "liberal traitors."

      Shit, I'm ready to snap back into old form and whale on a few of them.  They're fucking asking for it.  

      What will it solve?  Not sure.  Maybe nothing.

      But it'll sure shut their fucking mouths while I'm pummelling them, and that'll be enough for the time being.

      Let them call me a traitor.  Please, let some doughy piece-of-shit Rove wannabe call me a traitor.  

      It'll be the last word he says for a MONTH, because his fucking jaw will be wired shut.

       

      by chumley on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:48:54 PM PDT

      •  Damn straight

        by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:58:31 PM PDT

        •  so fucking pissed..

          My normally bad number of typos is even WORSE.

          Man, do I hanker to re-arrange some smug wingnut's face.  

          Sometimes I think we liberals try too hard to be good people.  Maybe it's time to go a little beserker for a while.  It would be very fucking satisfying.

          by chumley on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:07:18 PM PDT

          •  True

            At the very least call them out on the bullshit.

            Forcrissakes,has everyone forgotten 'screw em.'

            Fuck these Nazis.

            by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:09:26 PM PDT

            •  Ancient wisdom

              Don't get mad--get even.  

              by Dancing Larry on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:09:38 AM PDT

              •  I think we are doing that

                kos' followup is brilliant.

                by Armando on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:21:32 AM PDT

          •  Yes

            As you will notice I am almost always quite polite and well behaved and semi- articulate when cussing out wingers. But this sort of shit has my blood boiling and I would love to see these wingnut fascists say this to face to face to Kossacks. We would not back down from the fight and they would run. I would pay to see that ass whoopin!!! That would be one Fine  Can of
            Whoopin

            by wishingwell on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:10:33 AM PDT

      •  Amen..

        Let's go Todd Bertuzzi on these assclown pansies.

        by Bones on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:58:43 PM PDT

      •  My fear is that many wingnuts think we are wimps

        and feel that we can be pushed around, as reactions like Durbin's prove to them time and again. (And I love Durbin, and think he is a great senator, he just should not have backed down - did Rove???)

        by adigal on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 06:06:47 AM PDT

    •  My kinda man

      just punch the stupid fucker out.  If we keep up w/this kind of threat, they'll start shutting their fucking traps, b/c they'll consider the possibility of getting a shot in the teeth.

      Dukes up, muthafuckas.  The debate is ovah.

      by x on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:22:14 PM PDT

      •  As An Aside...

        Ole Henry was no billed by a grand jury in Bexar County after the wing-nut filed charges against him for felony assault (he busted his fucking jaw with a haymaker). Henry never backed down. We need Democrats like him today. Enough with the feet-shuffling, and whining that "you misunderstand". Americans accept that you don't have to put up with this shit.

        by chuco35 on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:34:53 PM PDT

        •  Amen

          by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:41:12 PM PDT

          •  Indeed!

            Time for the fukkin gloves to come off. Hell, it's LONG past time.

            "He brings a knife? You bring a gun. He puts one of yours in the hospital? You put 1 of his in the morgue." -the Untouchables

            by green917 on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 11:36:26 AM PDT

    •  You are right..

      Those are fightin words.

      I would pay to hear them say this in person to our Kossacks here. I would pay to see their asses whooped. But wait, the wingers always run and hide behind their computers.

      by wishingwell on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:05:31 AM PDT

  •  Because

    doing just that worked so well for John Kerry in the last election...

    by Jeffersonian on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 06:46:16 AM PDT

•  I dunno

  I think the Zarqawi piece is too stupid to merit comment.

  Jeez. Is that the best they can do?

  by muledriver on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:22:25 PM PDT

•  At the risk of getting punched out,

  am I the only one who thought that column was actually... kinda... funny?

  Is that real, real bad?

  signed, an ex-Iowa-hawkeye

  by renaissance grrrl on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:26:20 PM PDT

  •  Funny how?

    You find being compared to a terrorist funny?

    by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:31:30 PM PDT

    •  Guess I AM the only one,

      and it IS real, real bad.

      To answer your question: "you're like a terrorist!" is not funny, no.

      by renaissance grrrl on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:38:10 PM PDT

      •  Don't mean to be harsh

        but laughing this shit off is why Americans think Dems can't keep America safe.

        by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:40:29 PM PDT

        •  This is it - The Nut of Truth

          in this whole discussion.

          The GOP have set up a situation where POTUS is seen/felt by the people to be a tough guy enforcer and bodyguard for the nation.

          Then they say that Democrats aren't tough enough to keep the people safe.

          Then they talk of terror, death, war and fear.

          And the people bite on that.

          What we have to do is to keep saying the truth - The other side is a danger to every American because they act like bullies instead of leaders.

          We have to act like tough, savvy adults.

          by Patricia Taylor on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:03:00 PM PDT

        •  exactamundo

          it isn't insufficient hawkishness, or fancy uniforms, or voting for weapons systems, or the lapel flag pins, but rather what wes clark once said: americans will trust democrats to stand up for america when they start standing up for other democrats.

          en garde.

          by wu ming on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 02:49:04 AM PDT

      •  No, and I agree with you.

        People are taking this much too seriously. It's quite unconvincing in making the leap from the putative writer (Zarqawi) to liberals and those who are against the war. Also, remember, since the writer is supposedly Zarqawi, everything he says should be taken as hateful, therefore when he sarcastically lauds the neo-cons, it means he likes them. This undermines his point. It's a very hard point he's trying to make anyway.
        Technically, as a comedy writer of some 30 years, I have to say the piece does no real damage satirically to its target: liberals.
        It is funny, but is not effective propaganda as the message is too complex; it's what we call a joke on a joke.  Some of the humor is lost trying to stretch the joke to attack liberals.
        It would have been much funnier without the last part, leaving the target ambiguous....they overplayed the joke. But the premise is sound. And funny. Their own lack of a sense of humor about liberals destroys the effectiveness.
        Just some analysis from a veteran comedy writer...

        by AWhitneyBrown on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 06:17:59 AM PDT

        •  I Agree

          I've read this guy before, and he's normally much funnier when he doesn't go out of his way to make sure his jokes attack liberals.

          by Power on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 07:30:43 AM PDT

        •  With due respect

          Humor that compares libherwals to Zarqawi is not funny.

          It is offensive.

          And why we get sand kicked in our face and why the American people think we are wimps is the failure of the Left to stand against this crap.

          You are a funny cerebral guy, but you know nothing about winning the political wars. IMO of course.

          by Armando on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 08:26:58 AM PDT

          •  Armando,

            I don't think you really believe that I know nothing about winning the political wars, do you? I mean nothing? Jeez, that hurts. I have been fighting these guys, to varying degrees, on national television and in live venues, oftimes hostile, often sypathetic, for over 20 years. Everything I have said in every media to which I have had access has had a message - more humanism, less fascism, please. I don't know how effective it's been, and I have no grandiose delusions about my small contributions, but nothing? Hey, cut me some slack.
            Humor is devastatingly effective as a propaganda tool, for either side. Two things follow for me from that:
            

            1. The best way to respond to 'humor' is with the same.
               
            2. This Iowahawk piece is not particularly effective.
               

            By the way, the most damaging bit of propaganda for our side in recent months, in my opinion was not Rove's remarks, or Duncan Hunter's remarks, or any of it, but Durbin's apology. That really hurt us. He could have deflected it so easily, as well.

            by AWhitneyBrown on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 09:07:20 AM PDT

            •  On Durbin

              Yep.

              And you are right, you know alot.

              Sorry for the overstatement.

              And humor is effective.

              But so is outrage.

              The groundwork for markos' broadside was laid down by this.

              by Armando on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 09:56:06 AM PDT

              •  Thanks for the civility.

                As far as outrage about Iowahawk is concerned, I definitely don't oppose it. If anyone has the energy, hell, go postal on 'em, by all means. I just can't get it up for this particular one myself, that's all.

                by AWhitneyBrown on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 11:49:19 AM PDT

        •  I agree

          this piece is much more complex than "liberals are like terrorists."  Then again, humor generally does not lend itself to being equated with simple, declarative statements.  While liberals trying to "claim the 4th as their own" were certainly one target of the humor, they certainly weren't the only ones.  And personally, I don't mind laughing at myself a bit.  It's better than laughing at other people.

          Not that I'm of the camp that thinks humor can never be offensive, and has a total free pass to ignore all norms of civility; some jokes are offensive; but, criminy, think how many jokes we make at the expense of "wingnuts."  And most of them are totally unfunny-- pure vitriol.  Why do we have so much higher standards for the rhetoric of the other side?

          by renaissance grrrl on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 06:25:45 PM PDT

    •  I thought it was funny

      (don't blow up) in a pathetic sense...funny that THIS is the kind of crap they waste their time on because they don't want to read the DSM or the news that Rove is probably the leak, and because this is what they do so they don't have to look in the mirror at themselves...

      I also thought it was funny because with very little effort (i.e. the change of a sentence or two) it could be twisted back onto their own stupid asses.

      by Elise on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:42:39 PM PDT

      •  Pathetic, yes

        They are pathetic.  What they don't understand is that they are dealing with a resurgent working class Democrat.  Their worst nightmare.  Street fighters. They're still  fighting their fantasy elite libruls, while the working class army has been assembling.

        by x on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:02:43 PM PDT

    •  Is that what they're doing?

      It sort of reads like a Mad-lib done by Condi Rice.  Then again, my reading comprehension hasn't been what it used to.

      by scionkirk on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:44:22 PM PDT

      •  That's what it is

        You equal Zarqawi.

        by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:48:46 PM PDT

        •  to be honest though...

          that's what they've been screaming since 9/11. I listen to Christian talk radio (I'm a masochist) and this has been the message all along..."either you're with us, or against us" translates for them into...you either like Bush and all he does, or you are a terrorist and you deserve what you get. I don't know at this point that there's much we can do to refute it...other than keep screaming back, elect someone else to prove otherwise, or punch them...and unfortunately for me, I punch like a girl (and I don't mean that to be sexist...as I am, actually, a girl).

          by Elise on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:54:58 PM PDT

          •  And I have been screaming back

            The New McCarthyism requires Welch-like responses.

            Crossing the street, as one commenter suggests, is the reason why Dems are viewed as soft.

            by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:57:35 PM PDT

          •  Just be a mean ass

            street fighting mofo to all the wingnuts you encounter.  Since they're so married to fear, make them fear that you will personally rip their heads off & piss down their  throats.

            by x on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:31:07 PM PDT

  •  You're Right It's Funny...

    To the Wing-nuts. It's a fucking insult to me.

    by chuco35 on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:33:34 PM PDT

  •  Actually, I think it's funny also.

    Especially the infidel stuff. Sorry. I also thought it sort of made the neo-cons look more like Zarqawi than liberals. And it's' more pro neo-con than anti-liberal, if you can make that distinction. I agree with you grrrl..it's sort of funny.

    by AWhitneyBrown on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 06:10:17 AM PDT

    •  Funny, yes

      I had to read this twice before I thought that I understood the point of this 'letter', and when I realized what they were trying to say, I was pretty underwhelmed.  Yes it's satire, but it is bad, bad, unfunny satire.  It's taking aim at it's target with a grape shot, thereby hitting everything and not causing any real damage.  

      If this is the best satire that they can come up with, then bring it on!!  Maybe the neo-cons will be so confused by the message that they'll start hating themselves.

      If I had the inclination and ten minutes, I could write a letter from Zarqawi skewering the neo-cons - however, the exercise (much like this letter) would be pointless.

      by Dave Brown on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 07:18:43 AM PDT

•  I sent Senator Durbin an email

  In it, I told him I support what he said, and that I wish he hadn't retracted it. I also thanked him for the support he has given the military, because he truly does, and let him know he has my vote in 2006, and I invited him to my wedding.

  'Fraid I lost Iowahawk's invite. I think it got shuffled in with a set of Young Republican enlistment papers, which is to say it doesn't exist.

  by jabbausaf on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:34:31 PM PDT

•  I'm with Armando

  on the principle of fighting back.  Immediately.  Every time.  This is fighing words.

  Here was an attempt of mine (which unfortunately I didn't manage to get published) to fight back at the Rove calumny.  I think we all need to do this, in LTE's, in posting comments on the right-wing sites, every time it happens.

  These accusations are false.  Rub their noses in it.

  by jem6x on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:42:43 PM PDT

•  Err...

  I don't get it.  

  by scionkirk on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:42:45 PM PDT

•  the thing about this

  is that is so stupid it misses its mark entirely.

  I mean, jeeze, the dude post Zarqawi's picture and says he's delivering a message for Zarqawi.

  Really, if someone never heard of IowaHawk before (like me), I doubt any of that would make any sense.

  IowaHawk is a friend of Zarqawi.
  

  by yet another liberal on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 10:57:49 PM PDT

•  conservatives condemn this?

  No chance. Frist should read this on the floor of the Senate. This is the Republican Party.

  by hhex65 on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:18:22 PM PDT

  •  Exactly

    Goosestepping McCarthyite Thievin' Pawns of Dobson.

    by Armando on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:19:28 PM PDT

    •  That says it all

      I would give you a 10 for that comment if that could. It sounds like a great signature to use..as that defines the Right wing of the GOP..which of course is now the GOP period.

      by wishingwell on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:15:16 AM PDT

•  worrying about obesity is unpatriotic

  I kid you not! Latest Paul Krugman Op/Ed exposes the new culinary McCarthysm. Hey, if it works for the GOP why not for Coca-Cola ?

  Girth of a Nation - New York Times

  The Center for Consumer Freedom, an advocacy group financed by Coca-Cola, Wendy's and Tyson Foods, among others, has a Fourth of July message for you: worrying about the rapid rise in American obesity is unpatriotic.

  'Far too few Americans,' declares the center's Web site, 'remember that the Founding Fathers, authors of modern liberty, greatly enjoyed their food and drink. ... Now it seems that food liberty - just one of the many important areas of personal choice fought for by the original American patriots - is constantly under attack.'

  It sounds like a parody, but don't laugh. These people are blocking efforts to help America's children.

  by lawnorder on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 11:25:29 PM PDT

  •  I saw an ad of theirs

    On the Metro in Washington.
    It suggested that the obesity issue was really just hype.

    The only other ad on the metro I noticed was one from wireless companies trying to provide us better service by having outdated telecom laws fixed.
    

    by mungley on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:40:10 AM PDT

•  Desperation

  FIRST OF ALL I should say that comparison to Durbin's remarks is not going to be a persuasive argument. Durbin is a Senator, and this guy is just a blogger. So right there the comparison will fall flat upon your opponents' ears as a false analogy.

  Beyond that, Durbin's remarks actually made sense, while this is gibberish. If people viewed Nazism as a valid historical reference point for comparison against present day activities, instead of a four-letter-word whose mere mention is beyond the pale, there would be nothing unreasonable about Durbin's remarks. (The fact that "Nazi" is a radioactive epithet, instead of a call for a reality check, is sad in and of itself. It's as if we were absolutely determined to learn nothing from the deaths of millions of people. The world needs MORE references to Nazis, not less, especially these days.)

  This Zarqawi thing, on the other hand, is nothing more than a mangled, barely recognizable straw-man "liberal" argument inserted into a voice balloon above a terrorist's head. But look at how many trackbacks it got! That alone is telling. It reveals a real desperation in their ranks. I'm sure that if they had actual facts to talk about, they'd be trackbacking to those instead. I can't think of anything similar on the other side, except maybe the "yellow elephant" movement which has delighted many a lefty blogger recently. But that at least has the benefit of making sense, and having the truth on its side. This is just vicious name calling- something that gives them something pleasant to talk about, that doesn't challenge their preexisting beliefs. Not to bring up Nazis again, but this seems no more valid of a political attack than the anti-Semitic pamphlets that circulated in prewar Germany. They had pictures of Jews with crooked noses saying weird things too. And they were quite popular.

  by MillionthMonkey on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:13:50 AM PDT

  •  You think too much

    PT Barnum understood people.

    You understand smart people.

    by Armando on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:18:36 AM PDT

  •  Maybe

    We are just so sick and tired, since 9-11 of being called:

    • Terrorists or Terrorist sympathizers
      
    • Traitors
      
    • Unpatriotic
      
    • Godless heathens
      
    • UnAmerican
      
    • Treasonous
      
    • Threats to America
      
    • and being told to Leave

    They continue to say this horrid propaganda over and over and is is infuriating.!!
    

    by wishingwell on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:22:04 AM PDT

•  I am a Patriot

  I don't support terrorists.
  I don't support illegal wars.
  I don't support terrorism.
  I don't support or defend fascism.

  Iowahawk won't be laughing so hard when her civil rights are stolen by Presidnet Bush, and she's drafted to serve in Iran (the city council will be voting to turn her house into a hotel while she's gone by the way.)

  Sadly, we'll all be there sticking up for her because she's a human being.

  (I'm only guessing at the gender btw)

  by mungley on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 12:45:45 AM PDT

•  So the homestyle fascist's...

  ...who keep trying to compare Bush to FDR, want to label us as enabling traitors? All I can say to the terminally stupid wingers is:

  1. I wasn't the dumbass who thought invading Iraq was a good idea.

  2. I wasn't the dumbass who thought invading Afghanistan and not getting OBL was OK.

  3. It wasn't our idea to let the Chinese own America's debt.

  4. My party isn't the party that is so fucking incompetent they needed to create something called the Patriot act to catch terrorists, then were only able to limit the rights of American citizens and still not catch and try terrorists for their crimes. My party actually caught terrorists, tried them, and convicted them. My party actually tried to protect America from terrorists and succeeded. My party warned your party about the terrorist threat to America. Your party laughed about it, just like they laugh now as they destroy our democracy. Of course, the GOP politicians are laughing hardest at you wingers who support them, because they know you're really the sheep trying to creep into the slaughter.

  5. FDR was everything Bush will never be. In fact, Bush is trying to destroy FDR's legacy. FDR and his allies stopped fascism in America and across two oceans in less time then Bush got the big clue Democrats were warning him about on 9/11/2001 and the qWuagmire we're in today. Of course, in that same amount of time, Bush has increased the number of terrorists and fucked our economy. Yeah, that's brilliant abso-fucking-stupidly brilliant. W, transforming terminal stupidity from a handicap to an artform. No wonder he loves Rummy.

  6. Bush is destroying our Democracy and the gaggle of self-righteous ass babblers want to accuse of us of being traitors? Hell, when everything does finally collapse in this country I'll make sure everyone I meet knows the fucking GOP enablers allowed it to happen. I'll make sure everyone knows the GOP is the offical party of the cluster fuck.

  by Alumbrados on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 01:32:26 AM PDT

  •  well said! n/t

    by green917 on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 11:47:32 AM PDT

•  It's satire!!!!

  Fucking pricks. You goosestepping McCarthyites.

  Isn't this a bit over the top?  It's satire.  You just look foolish going apeshit over something like this.

  by BradtheDad on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 08:08:14 AM PDT

  •  You just look foolish

    by Armando on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 08:20:27 AM PDT

  •  But look at the point.

    The point of the satire is, once again, that liberals are on the side of the terrorirsts.  The writer has chosen a 'light-hearted' and 'satiritical' way of getting this idea across, but it doesn't change the fact that this claim is nothing but a slander -- a really vicious one, at that.

    It really matters.

    by jem6x on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 09:54:55 AM PDT

  •  Right

    
    Usually Armando's comments are awesome.  This time he just missed the mark or let something stupid get under his skin.  Yea, everyones a tought guy now, but I'd love to know what getting all worked up about this (poorly made) piece of satire is supposed to accomplish.

    I've seen much worse on whitehouse.org.  I say let them have their fun, maybe we should focus on something more productive than getting indignant over some insignificant bullshit like this.

    by vp075 on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 09:55:43 AM PDT

•  It's not satire, it's SHIT

  Pure and simple shit. I get satire, I've written it, I've read it. I don't get this. I think it is  puerile, rambling and if it was about something that wasn't so serious, it would be laughable. I had to read it a few times just to get the gist of it. There is no frame of reference here, it's offensive shit.

  by conturnedred on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 09:25:24 AM PDT

  •  Exactly

    by Armando on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 09:50:14 AM PDT

•  That's pretty goddammed funny

  Thanks for sharing, Armando.  Made my day.

  I'm a bit confused with the comments though.  Where exactly does he suggest a link between terrorists and libruls?

  by Vercingetorix on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 11:12:43 AM PDT

•  It's intended as satire but misfires

  I don't quite agree with the outrage.  It misfires for me because the feel good liberal attitudes don't comport with Zarqawi's terrorist approach.  If Zarqawi were an American it's more likley that he'd be a neo-con.  Instead, I think someone should post an equally satirical piece that equates neo-cons with Zarqawi.

  Just my 2 cents

  by ecostar on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM PDT

  •  Misfire?

    By "feel good liberal attitudes," are you referring to Armando's "Fucking pricks. You goosestepping McCarthyites.  Now go cry to momma. You yellow-bellied elephants."? Or x's "Just be a mean ass street fighting mofo to all the wingnuts you encounter.  Since they're so married to fear, make them fear that you will personally rip their heads off & piss down their throats."?

    /confusicated

    by Vercingetorix on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 01:43:42 PM PDT