Daily Kos

Salut! Soldats!

by Marisacat

Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 05:18:40 PM PDT

Are you worn and weary?  Fealty issues?  Submission issues?  Demands for either?  
Feel you were drafted but did not sign up?

Weary of being bullied?  

Booman Tribune is Welcoming Purge Refugees...

Booman himself will discuss issues of State power, covert acts and "reality".  No bullying and no bitching.  One may speak one's piece, and peace too.

And lest anyone think I am <horrors> an operative, a shill for BMT (a nice place where they know your name), we also invite you to visit us:  theoria, Madman in the Marketplace, Wilfred Marisacat and others at

Liberal Street Fighter...

where we issue the revolutionary beret instanter!  Gauloises, Gitanes or English Ovals, we are not picky... we straddle the Channel (and a few other positions).

There is life after .... <you fill it in>  And pie is not served at either location.

This is not, nor should it be construed to be, a GBCW diary.
I never did do one of those (I come and go), and certainly not starting now... and ... Not Leaving Either.

See you round the bend...

Commandante Marisacat  UID 97

Tags: (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

Permalink | 104 comments

  •  Its an adver-diary. (none / 1)

    Hmmmm. You need to include more chicks in bikinis in this diary to attract that coveted male 18-35 demographic. Worked for Kos!

    It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

    by ablington on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 05:20:01 PM PDT

  •  Marisacat, the BMT is a pretty sweet place (4.00 / 2)

    but I don't think this sort of diary is appropriate. There is already a link to the BMT on the blogroll and I can't imagine many people here don't know about it. Please delete this diary- it's just knocking one with substance off the page.

    by ARingMD2B on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 05:24:47 PM PDT

  •  oh please tell me (none / 1)

    that the person who started all this "vichy dem" shit (you know who i'm talking about) got purged. oh please oh please oh please.

    Mad Wombat

    by FleetAdmiralJ on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 05:25:53 PM PDT

  •  Tired (4.00 / 6)

    ...of all the Kos-bashing.

    Just sayin'.

    by wizardkitten on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 05:34:33 PM PDT

    •  Indeed (none / 1)

      I don't see.. Well, what might be aggravating and cause me to bail out of dKos would be if it quit being connected to the reality based community.  But things seem just fine to me here.  Man, I did chain smoke the Gauloises for a brief period, but it made me a nervous wreck and just I can't recommend it.

      on strike.

      by daria g on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:29:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'll pass (4.00 / 4)

    But hopefully those that don't like it here will find their green pasture on the sites you're promoting.

    <smooch>

    by Coldblue Steele on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 05:41:51 PM PDT

  •  Yeah! (4.00 / 4)

    Hooray.\ for conspirist immigration! Give them our tiring, our poorly-reasoned, our muddled masses!

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 05:58:08 PM PDT

    •  Sig explanation (none / 0)

      As you can see by my new sig line I was incredibly impressed with myself. Sorry I couldn't fit an LSF link into it, but it's limited to 160 characters. Just wanted to acknowledge my own disgusting self-satisfaction.

      it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

      by Addison on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 06:10:07 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Typical Jock (none / 0)

        Why do you hate the Goths?

        The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

        by DHinMI on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 06:15:34 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  heheh (none / 0)

          It goes back to when they were just little gothlings, really.

          Goths are watching us..
          Goths are watching us..
          Goths are watching us..

          FROM A DISTANCE

          on strike.

          by daria g on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:13:09 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  HEY, I Was Thinking of You! (none / 0)

            I was driving in my car, and I was thinking about the paranoid rantings of the people coming up with the idiotic theories about Bush and Blair ordering up the London bombings, and from the CD came...

            You're one microscopic
            cog in his catastrophic plan/ Designed and directed by his red right hand

            None of my friends who are big Nick Cave fans are DKos people, but I figured you'd enjoy the humor.

            The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

            by DHinMI on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:26:00 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  hah (none / 0)

              Good old St. Nick.  Live.. (this was at DC's lovely 9:30) there were red lights shining down on the stage and he held up his hand, palm facing the audience, right at that moment.  Too cool.  I am not nor have I ever been a goth, but I've hung out with a few.. they are funny.   Gothick 4 Life, bitch!

              on strike.

              by daria g on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:48:59 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  I've Only Seen Him Once (none / 0)

                [3:30 in the afternoon at an outdoor amphitheater for Lollapalooza doesn't count as having seen Nick Cave.]  I saw him on The Boatman's Call tour at probably my least favorite venue in Detroit, a place call the State Theater.  They have a bunch of idiot "security" guys running around, and tons of annoying waitresses shouting throughout the entire fucking night "YOU GUYS WANNA SHOT?".  Our annoying waitress, who wasn't around when we wanted to order something other than a lime-green colored shot of something or other, had already annoyed us about six times when, just as Nick sang "I'm afraid I told a lieYOU GUYS WANNA SHOT?".  It's the only time in my life I came close to punching a woman...

                The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                by DHinMI on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 08:00:18 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  That's HILARIOUS!!! (none / 0)

                That. Was. Fuck-ing. Hilarious.  

                I'm sending it to about 30 friends who are certain to appreciate it.  When I dj'ed at the college radio station--where I didn't play "Skinny Doggie," btw--a couple of my friends collected all the Chick comics they could get their hands on.  (I collected LaRouchie literature.)  They'll definitely love that.

                The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                by DHinMI on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 05:17:58 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Yeah, it's great (none / 0)

                  It got linked at this music geek board I occasionally read, I try to pass it on whenever possible.  Back at my college station, I played mostly indie rock and noise rock, but every now and then I'd load up one of the CD players with Ministry and the other one with the radio ad disc the Army would inexplicably send us, and crank them both at the same time...  Incredibly childish of me, but oh well, nobody was listening, it was college radio.

                  Those Jack Chick tracts are still circulating, too. Back in May I saw some dude handing batches of them out by the club at a Nine Inch Nails show, whilst informing us at the top of his lungs that we were all going to hell.  Or maybe it was the Dresden Dolls that were so offensive as to merit this, I am not quite sure!  

                  on strike.

                  by daria g on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 07:53:50 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

      •  Sigh (none / 0)

        Due to BooMan's sound rejection of this diary and it's motivations I've sadly been compelled -- by my stupid conscience -- to scrub my sig line. Sigh. Today I bury a "quote-pun" I loved dearly.

        it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

        by Addison on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:15:56 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Ugh (4.00 / 9)

    this is not what I need.

    Look, anyone is welcome at my site as long as they abide by the rules, which are somewhat different than on Daily Kos.

    So, in that sense, anyone who has been purged is welcome at my site.  But I am not seeking members who are pissed off at Daily Kos.  I DO NOT WANY MY SITE to be perceived as an anti-Kos site, and I don't it TO BE an anti-Kos site.

    Maybe this is something that is outside of my control.  Maybe all my pleading will be for nothing.  

    But please don't try to but a wedge between Kos and me.  If I want to put I wedge let me do it myself, on my own terms.  Right now, I have no such desire, and I feel deeply hurt when I have this thrust on me.

    Booman Tribune

    by BooMan23 on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 06:33:19 PM PDT

    •  Then you should be more proactive (4.00 / 5)

      about it.

      I think you have to work at it now to avoid it.

      Everybody dies alone.

      by Armando on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 06:38:28 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Then Repudiate the Manipulation (4.00 / 4)

      Don't let a Rasputin manipulate you into something you don't want.  You started the site.  Don't let people hijack it.

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by DHinMI on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 06:47:45 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That is (4.00 / 3)

        more difficult to do than you might imagine. I am not going to make a rule that no one can criticize Daily Kos.  That would go against my values and it is not even a rule that I am willing to apply to myself.

        But diaries like this are misrepresenting me.  I am not actively welcoming people that were banned from this site.

        I have made it very clear that I am unhappy with diaries on BooTrib that are about this site, but I won't ban them.  I just wrote an article about the conspiracy theories that caused the purge.  That's my right.  It's not anti-Kos to disagree with this latest purge.  

        If you look at the comments in my article you'll notice very little discussion of Kos, and a lot of discussion of terrorism, espionage, and how difficult it is to know what is real.

        I'll keep telling people what I have told them here.  Please don't use my website as vehicle to take potshots at dKos that you are unwilling to post here, where people can defend themselves.

        Booman Tribune

        by BooMan23 on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 06:58:18 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Ah, politics. (4.00 / 6)

          Welcome to it! You have a constituency now, and as luck would have it, some of them want you to "show spine" and "kick some ass" for "progressive values."

          It is hard, isn't it?

          You're doing fine, from what I can tell.

          by Kagro X on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:08:42 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Hopefully for BTrib and dKos (none / 1)

          your community will weed out those that have a divisive agenda, if you know what I mean.

          by Coldblue Steele on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:21:26 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Not to be even MORE divisive (none / 1)

            But the "community" there seems to have no real interest in doing that. I assume you're referencing trolls? Well I don't know what a troll would say that isn't already being said -- and 4 rated -- over there. Now Booman is absolute right: the divisiveness is not widespread at all, in fact it's near non-existent in the non-related diaries (unless either feminism or, now, the phrase "reality-based" come up). But it's present nevertheless and universally uprated.

            it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

            by Addison on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:29:04 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I'd say (4.00 / 2)

              that you're correct. But you'll notice that 99% of all ratings on BooTrib are 4's.

              Everything is uprated.

              I have about 4 hidden comments in 4 months.

              If people disagree they say so, or keep quiet, but downrating is extemely uncommon on my site.

              Booman Tribune

              by BooMan23 on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:38:34 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Yeah (none / 0)

                Yeah, I'm absolutely not saying it's an epidemic of divisiveness or that people should be downrating such comments. I'm saying that there's a proactive uprating of said comments moreso than the comments on non-DailyKos topics. So a post mocking Kos' banning gets seven 4-ratings's whereas a post about health care gets three 4-ratings's. So that's what I meant.

                You do a great job, and it's a great site, and I understand your commitment to absolute and never-yielding free speech even though I wouldn't want a partisan & goal-based electioneering site like Daily Kos to operate like that.

                it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

                by Addison on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:42:57 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  We share the same (4.00 / 2)

                  goals and have different approaches to accomplishing them.  If you read my article, you'll realize that I understand what is going on, and I am only objecting to the opaqueness of the purge, not the purge itself.

                  We cannot allow these conspircacy theories to undermine the credibility of our sites, even if they might be true.  It's a big topic, and hard to discuss honestly.

                  Booman Tribune

                  by BooMan23 on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:49:10 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Booman, There's No "Purge" (none / 0)

                    My understanding is that anyone who was banned by Markos was unbanned if they wrote him an email.  That hardly seems like a purge.  I don't question your intentions, but the language matters, as I'm sure you know.

                    If it was a purge, I don't think people who were banned like Brian Nowhere would be back the next day writing a diary about having been banned.  

                    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                    by DHinMI on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:54:45 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Thank you (none / 0)

                      you're right. I'm tired and pissed off and I am being sloppy.

                      Booman Tribune

                      by BooMan23 on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 08:02:39 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  oh booman (none / 0)

                        if you bought that stale line of goods e-mail me and do i have threads that will set that crap on it's ear.

                        don't be so anxious to be appeased, dig deeper. your site and mine have had to open the floodgates for the refugees.

                        i for one want this site off its topsy-turvy course, i want more people coming over because we earned it, not because this site has hit the rocks.

                        Liberal Streetfighter: Left-wing served al dente.

                        by wilfred on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 09:44:23 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

        •  You're a good guy with a good heart (none / 0)

          and a good site. Good luck. Not everyone's like you.

          But I hope people read what you've written. Maybe you should write it over there in your own way.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by DemFromCT on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 04:19:59 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  When I first left dKos... (4.00 / 2)

      ...many moons ago, there was much speculation as to why. I didn't have the energy to tell it at the time, but there were plenty of people who wanted to (and did) use my departure as an opportunity to 1) bitch at Markos, and 2) pretend to be my spokespeople in a lame-ass attempt to call out other diarists and/or advance their own agendas. I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. As you say, BooMan... all are welcome for whatever reason they wish, but my blogfather is my blogfather, and I owe much to Markos.

      Not that Markos doesn't fuck up at times, but mostly because he lets his lieutenants run free like spoiled little bastards. He's a hands-off manager, to be sure.

      Oh, and people who say "delete this diary" (any diary) are dooshbagz.

      Shoulda killed me last time, bitches.

      by theorialives on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 06:51:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I think you need not worry ... (none / 0)

      I see Marisacat's post as a spirited invite, a reminder or a first time message to folks that there are places they can go where they can be what they can be here and more ... or less, depending.

      I appreciate it, and I dont see it as a wedge between you and Kos.

      It's really just an invite, a salutation, an announcement to your site and LSF.

      Hey mon, don'cha worry so much ... be happy!

      Should a "progressive" Dem blog dwell in the safe zones of a tame party, or should it drive a tame party to break out?

      by NYCee on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:55:38 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I appreciate (none / 0)

        your sentiment, but you don't have to read my email.

        People get very upset when this site is criticized on my site, and I am not happy to have it implied that I am welcoming people who have been banned here.

        It's not that I am looking out for people that have been banned so I can ban them too.  Far from it.  But it totally mischaracterizes me.

        And I hear about it.

        Booman Tribune

        by BooMan23 on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 08:11:01 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  dont read your emails!!! (none / 0)

          really, these little mind frazzling worries, the infighting bs, is so tiring, so silly.

          That you should even feel compelled to explain: 'It's not that I am looking out for people that have been banned so I can ban them too.  Far from it ..."

          I mean, who the hell would think that?

          Remember, the people who got banned here, from what I can ascertain, got swept up in a mass "purging" dragnet (oh god, lol or cry?) not because they were dissing Kos or this site, but because Kos (and perhaps some others in contact with him) took issue with conspiracy theory discussion.

          So, what does it have to do with Kos-kvetching? (Well, maybe now. Some may be just a bit peeved over their banishment) That may have gone on, may go on in and around the banning, but it wasnt the reason for it.

          Anyways, good fucking luck, mon. As I said, be happy, doncha worrry, etc and so on ... I mean, this was supposed to be something you LIKED to do, I assume ... right?

          Should a "progressive" Dem blog dwell in the safe zones of a tame party, or should it drive a tame party to break out?

          by NYCee on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 08:59:34 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I do like it (none / 1)

            but it seems like the recent conflicts at dKos have created a wedge where my policies of open discussion are seen as some panacea for Markos' attempts to get some control over this site.

            This site probably needs more active control, not less.  I would not have handled the Gilligan's Island ad, or the conspiracy theory issues the same way that Markos did.  So what?  We are two different people with two different sites.  

            This site is important, my site is barely noticed by the MSM.  We are obviously going to have different cultures and different vulnerabilities.

            There are things to like about both sites.  I just wish people would understand that a) I am not anti-Kos because I won't censor people that complain about this site on my site b) that I am not at all interested in accumulating a community of disaffected Kossacks.

            Lastly, I can't help it if people get pissed off at this site and come to mine.  

            Booman Tribune

            by BooMan23 on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 09:22:24 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  There are things to like about both sites (none / 0)

              That's really the message. And the truth.

              Sigh. This is a bad situation, made worse by those wih an agenda that is other than contributing to the respective communities.

              This entire diary is an unfortunate example, which the author knew full well when writing. I support your comments throughout. And I deplore the 5th grade politics being practiced (don't go to his/her party, come to MY party).

              This too, shall pass, despite the best efforts of the 'aggrieved'.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by DemFromCT on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 05:14:34 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  Hang in there, Boo (4.00 / 2)

      You've got a great thing going at BT. I don't have a solution for you, other than to just continue to make very clear in disassociating yourself and you blog from this stuff. Just wanted to let you know you have support over here, too.

      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

      by mcjoan on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 08:24:53 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I agree with mcjoan (none / 1)

        In fact, almost posted something similar, but I'm falling asleep.

        You know, booman, I've been through this kind of thing before and it will settle down soon enough. You just need to hang tough and dig in your heels and hold your own.

        James Inhofe (R - Exxon): The greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the people of Oklahoma. - Eiron

        by cookiebear on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 08:36:22 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  listen joan (2.00 / 2)

        maybe it's finally time for someone to tell you it's pretty damn tacky to go to a former co-bloggers thread to suck up to another power that be. your upwardly mobile-ness evidently knows no bounds.

        then again i've seen you go to co-bloogers threads here to dis them when a private e-mail would have been so much classier. but who needs class when you feel you have safety in numbers (or old threads to hide in with your disses?).

        enough. there's so much more but i'd rather err on the side of politeness given what's going on here these days.

        by the way love your new tag line!

        Liberal Streetfighter: Left-wing served al dente.

        by wilfred on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:02:54 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  This is a tacky diary Wilfred (none / 0)

          And after we had a good moment yesterday.

          Pretty remarkable of you to write that comment.

          And  your comment is extremely tacky.

          And full of shit.

          And an example of sucking up - by you.

          Everybody dies alone.

          by Armando on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:16:43 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  And in case you missed it (none / 0)

          NOT appreciated by Booman -

          Ugh (4.00 / 8)

          this is not what I need.

          Look, anyone is welcome at my site as long as they abide by the rules, which are somewhat different than on Daily Kos.

          So, in that sense, anyone who has been purged is welcome at my site.  But I am not seeking members who are pissed off at Daily Kos.  I DO NOT WANY MY SITE to be perceived as an anti-Kos site, and I don't it TO BE an anti-Kos site.

          Maybe this is something that is outside of my control.  Maybe all my pleading will be for nothing.  

          But please don't try to but a wedge between Kos and me.  If I want to put I wedge let me do it myself, on my own terms.  Right now, I have no such desire, and I feel deeply hurt when I have this thrust on me.

          I repeat here since you seem to have missed it.

          Everybody dies alone.

          by Armando on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:18:25 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  unbelievable (none / 0)

            The diary is perfectly fine. It's not even causing a ripple compared to oh so many others today.

            and speaking of out of line i just saw your comment on Booman's Diary here. Wow, that is big time intimidation, even for you. look at your wording! my way or the highway-- right? you at your worst. what are you friggin' afraid of? well that's easy, you're afraid of discussion and are ready to stifle it, immediately. that will be an interesting thread now--not! bootlick or don't comment at all is in bold now. jeez. and something tells me you have pride in that behavior.

            and last night was just that, last night. i always notice you get conciliatory and attack the next day and you sure didn't disappoint me. have you not even noticed your own pattern? it's repeated often enough. the person you should be disappointed in is yourself.

            As far as my comments to Joan, nothing i said was untrue, nada. in fact is was quite soft-pedalled and since you have limited facts dude, stand aside. if there is a personal relationship there that blinds you to objectivity, excuse yourself.

            Why is it you are Armando the Destroyer or Armando the Rescuer? I don't have a problem with it per se but you really need to let others be others and not and echo chamber of you. I see Joan responded on her own and we'll deal with it on our own.

            Liberal Streetfighter: Left-wing served al dente.

            by wilfred on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:32:25 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  This diary is fine? (none / 0)

              How come Booman doesn't think so?

              It is one thing to wage war, insult and lie about us as your cohorts do here.

              LSF has made its mission statement clear now.

              But why drag booman unwillingly into it?

              Why do you insult joan, who directed no barbs at anyone?

              Wilfred, I am an asshole, you are not. Don't try to become one to please someone else.

              Everybody dies alone.

              by Armando on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:36:08 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  cut the drama, you're arguing with yourself (none / 0)

                Jeez, you are on such a mission it's so hard to even have a discussion.

                You're coming at me on horseback with sword drawn. I'm only the enemy in your mind, not reality.

                Booman is trying hard to deal with a tough situation and you are hellbound to make it your way or the highway. I mean i'm sure Booman has got the message: tow the line dude or your toast. Do you model Rove and Bushco? They should be the people you LEAST want to resemble, not the other way around. And you've known day one with me i don't intimidate. Booman has said in his own posts that after exchanges with you guys his hands shake. Thats the last thing i would want him to do in discussion with me. I would have failed if that's the way he and i would discuss.

                And as far as a mission statement, there is NONE at LSF. Look in the mirror Armando, the MISSION STATEMENT is at Dkos. What do you think this is all about anyway? Dkos is now purging because of a mission statement it put out and then semi-retracts.

                Anti-Brazille, anti-women's studies (retract) pro-pie (not retracted) Dem partisan (not retracted) more statements, purges, faxes from the parties delievered how verbatim? who knows anymore, there's no transparency.

                stop projecting your stuff onto LSF. We're just the most welcoming blog and NOTHING is said about Dkos which isn't said onsite! what more can you ask for? sorry to have asked that because i know you'll think of something.

                i know you're on a tear tonight, just stop tearing me as i'm not your enemy although you would be so happy if i was. i'm something else, a friend/former online friend (who can keep up it's so manic) who insists on shooting you straight.

                as i've said more times than i can count for a month or more now. Enough! I'm not your windmill, tilt somewhere else.

                Liberal Streetfighter: Left-wing served al dente.

                by wilfred on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:57:48 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  In THIS diary (none / 0)

                  of all diaries, your blindness is truly sad.

                  LSF comes to dailykos,4 of you in all, in THIS diary, to trash dailykos,its FPers, and prominent members.

                  Gawd it is so simple, do not come here anymore and no one will give you a second thought.

                  Why is that so hard.

                  Wilfred, did you read this diary?

                  It is one of the saddest things I have ever seen.

                  Listen up, the day I go to LSf and piss all over your site and folks, you will have an argument.

                  Before that, the only word for the lot of you is chutzpah.

                  Everybody dies alone.

                  by Armando on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 11:18:48 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

            •  Joan speaks for herself (none / 0)

              I speak for me.

              I told you what I think.

              BTW, consider how you damn yourself in your comment.

              maybe it's finally time for someone to tell you it's pretty damn tacky to go to a former co-bloggers thread to suck up to another power that be. your upwardly mobile-ness evidently knows no bounds.

              Tackier to go to the diary of the current leader of your blog to suck to that power that be. Your upward mobileness knows no bounds.

              mcjoan's reputation at dailykos is pretty well established. Yours might be in qiuestion at LSF. After all, you did support Iraq Debacle supporter Edwards.

              then again i've seen you go to co-bloogers threads here to dis them when a private e-mail would have been so much classier. but who needs class when you feel you have safety in numbers (or old threads to hide in with your disses?).

              What, did you lose joan's e-mail? Did you need to trash her here?

              enough. there's so much more but i'd rather err on the side of politeness given what's going on here these days.

              Enough is right. What is wrong with keeping this shit at LSF? Why bring the shit here?

              And what are you doing here but trashing on a dead thread?

              As for politeness, if that seems polite to you, it is time you ask yourself not what happened to Armando, but hwat happened to Wilfred?

              by the way love your new tag line!

              Everybody dies alone.

              by Armando on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:43:47 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Actually (none / 0)

              A lot of it was untrue. None of which I care to go into here. If you'd like to discuss anything with me, please do so in e-mail.

              "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

              by mcjoan on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:44:02 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  Sorry you see it that way (n/t) (none / 0)

          "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

          by mcjoan on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:21:15 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  as i said (none / 0)

            none of it was untrue and it was quite soft-pedaled.

            but it needed to be said. honestly it did. this post tonight and the others were in bad taste to your co-bloggers and former co-bloggers.

            if you ever want to deal with this privately, i'm here, i always have been. i never walked away but i won't tell you just what you want to hear so if that makes you not want to contact me, i understand completely.

            Liberal Streetfighter: Left-wing served al dente.

            by wilfred on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:40:27 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Deal privately? (none / 0)

              After you slam her publicly?

              The fucking nerve.

              Needed to be said? What the fuck needed to be said?

              Booman SAID it. This diary invoked his site and he expressly disavowed it. What the  hell else do you think needed to be said?

              Everybody dies alone.

              by Armando on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:45:22 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  slam her? (none / 0)

                stop it, stop it now. you're not even thinking or posting rationally. read the text, read the text.

                she's a grown woman capable of quite a few slams and needs to answer for them just like you and i would if we were the perpetrator. she's not a cripple and i would never disrespect her and treat her as one. so don't you either.

                cool your jets armando. you are so itching to kill tonight and you're in that mode alone.

                again, stop it. and don't jump to another thread and pummel someone else. it's not your concern. you have jumped into a thread and are insinuating yourself because you're looking for blood. some things need to get out in the open to heal and you, Armando are not helping.

                Liberal Streetfighter: Left-wing served al dente.

                by wilfred on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 11:03:13 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  I tell you dude (none / 0)

                  We must live in alternate universes.

                  But now that you mention it, I notice MiTM is now berating folks for not being tolerant of differing views.

                  And theoria chooses THIS diary to repeat his kos' lieutenants line.

                  So lack of self awarenes seems contagious at LSF.

                  As I said before, the LSf version of IOKIYAR.

                  Everybody dies alone.

                  by Armando on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 11:15:55 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                •  Perpetrator? (none / 0)

                  Of what? What are my crimes, here, wilfred?

                  "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

                  by mcjoan on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 11:19:26 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

            •  Actually, and unfortunately, no (none / 0)

              At first I thought that having an e-mail discussion might help. It won't, because I don't know that what I would tell you would remain private. And that sucks.

              But, for the record, know at least this. My desire for upward mobility does indeed know bounds. I declined an invitation several months ago to guest blog at BT. Not because of any issue I have with BT, but because of other obligations--I don't have much time to blog anywhere right now.

              "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

              by mcjoan on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 10:49:43 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  thanks for (none / 0)

                the response at least.

                the funny thing is, you have absolutely no precedent to think i wouldn't be loyal in confidence. absolutely none. everything i stand for and value would be a sham if what you suspected were true. and i think my actions with you over the time i knew you are pretty solid.

                may i conjecture that it's a convenient excuse. that's just my take, i could be wrong. but i would be lying if the same thought did not cross my mind where you were concerned, but that's only due to forwarded e-mails that showed me otherwise. the funny thing is i still would have corresponded, just hesitatingly.

                Liberal Streetfighter: Left-wing served al dente.

                by wilfred on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 11:08:49 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Forwarded e-mails (none / 0)

                  And you wonder why she doesn't trust you.

                  You took private forwarded e-mails that violated a trust and thought nothing of it.

                  there is THAT in your history Wil.

                  Everybody dies alone.

                  by Armando on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 11:13:38 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                •  See? Just that. (none / 0)

                  Forwarded e-mails. Forwarded by whom? From whom? Did I write them? Were they by me? About me? Was I just in the list of original recipients.

                  I'm just so fucking sick of blog drama.

                  "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

                  by mcjoan on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 11:14:17 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  wow (none / 0)

                    really just wow.

                    that tells me all i need to know.

                    that was the tiniest part of what i wrote and it was to level on why there would be mistrust on my end. Thanks for letting me know not to share anything. The rest (majority) of what i wrote: disregarded.

                    Now the 2 of you dogpile about the most irrelevant piece. You need safety in numbers because you pretty blatantly have things to be uncomfortable with.

                    I would tell you to get the fuck out of this conversation Armando and definitely to stop lawyering me but i'm done. You know i'm coming from an honest place here but you act like i'm on a witness stand and pounce on the one thing you might get some leverage from and disregard all the relevant points because IT DOESN"T SUIT YOUR OBJECTIVE. You are, as you told me last night Armando, an asshole. You just proved it when i tried last night to talk to you about other sides of yourself.

                    This is wholly unproductive. The gang thing never works on me as you can't break my train of thought. I now regret everything i opened up about after the initial (and quite valid) first post. any sense of trust i had to give was shown to be unwarrented and is now gone.

                    You guys care shit about the truth or what has gone down. It's all about justifying your actions regardless of what has happened, and it affects many blogs and makes life more difficult for all. And the way to get to the bottom of it all was to exchange but we saw what happened when that was attempted. As i've said so many times: enough.

                    i'm off to bed, way past my bedtime. My only thought about this place after spending more time today than i have in ages: this place has become toxic. And the toxicity trickles down.

                    Liberal Streetfighter: Left-wing served al dente.

                    by wilfred on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 11:33:40 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Ah, Wilfred (none / 0)

                      I'm sorry that's what stood out in your comment to me, but I don't know what else you have to base so much distrust and disdain for me on. I really don't know who has said what about me, but can only imagine.

                      And I'm sorry that the trust between us is gone. I valued your friendship very much. You can trust my sincerity in that.

                      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

                      by mcjoan on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 11:47:34 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  just read this after i posted the below (none / 0)

                        joan, i never distrust you, ever (before the first gangbang here a month or two ago when i posted my disgust openly here by the way with no answers back).

                        if you remember, you shut the door in my face, walked away and never looked back, ever. i remember the last e-mail i sent you begging you to stay and keep an open line and you didn't bother to answer my last e-mail. I refused the 'taking sides shit' and just told everyone to grow up and stay together. of course there are hurt feelings, you don't treat your friends that way, at least i don't.

                        now it's really late and i have breakfast with friends in the morning.

                        Liberal Streetfighter: Left-wing served al dente.

                        by wilfred on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 11:59:53 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                  •  had to sign back on (none / 0)

                    brushing my teeth (well, it is bedtime) two important things came to mind.

                    1. Armando, stop acting kind one minute about LSF and slamming it heartily the next, it's hypocritical. I stand by the blog and to this one too, i just give my praise and criticism and lately it's on rocky shores and the comments are made because i care, not because i don't, if that isn't incredibly obvious. Anyone can come criticize Dkos on LSF as long as they say it here too, which is what i do. And i stand by the same if the situation is reversed. Although i caught an exchange with you and Addison where we were knocked here tonight but you guys never come knock LSF to our faces there. Not cool, and hypocritical. And before you try and do the lawyer thing throwing hypocrisy back, own up to my comments instead of doing the attack dog pose.

                    2. It doesn't take Freud to figure out who was throwing out the salvo tonight to stop the disfunctional history from the past and look who subverted it. The reason one does that is because it could be in some people's interest that things stay ugly. I think my opening up tonight to Joan about the past and starting (and continuing) dialog until it proved impossible shows it wasn't me. I know i've got zip to hide here as i hated every minute of the break and tried fiercely to stop it but that's not true of many involved. Anyway I'm done for tonight, time to detox.

                    Liberal Streetfighter: Left-wing served al dente.

                    by wilfred on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 11:55:16 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  Blog Drama (none / 0)

                    It is pretty pathetic, isn't it?

                    Some people apparently have small, sad, pathetic lives...

                    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                    by DHinMI on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 05:30:08 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

  •  It (4.00 / 3)

    looks like Booman is the new Kos-just-isn't-to-the-Left-enough-for-us site.

    Which I congratulate.

    Now would the oppressed please get on with it and get to work settling their new home instead of continuing to search for the attention they obviously need from the fascist dictatorship they say they don't?

    (Cross-posted in my pants)

    by Calishfornia on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:15:19 PM PDT

    •  Comments like this (none / 0)

      are exactly why I find diaries like this hurtful to me personally.  Calishfornia's comment would be valid if I had anything to do with this diary.

      But I didn't and don't.  Yet, my character is besmirched nonetheless.

      Booman Tribune

      by BooMan23 on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:44:27 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Booman (none / 1)

        that wasn't directed to you at all.

        It's just a pattern I've been seeing lately where people who are fed up with DKos because it doesn't meet their needs feel their own necessity to then rail and wail endlessly about how DKos doesn't meet their needs.

        I have nothing but respect for people like you who, at the bare minimum, have created their own thing to fill whatever gaps may need filling.

        (Cross-posted in my pants)

        by Calishfornia on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:51:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Tina, come get some ham! (none / 0)

    Geez, this place is beginning to look more and more like Preston, Idaho.  What's next?  A daytime soap version?  

    I prefer this brand of Socratic inquiry, actually: WTF is wrong with you?

    by lightiris on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:18:06 PM PDT

    •  I Don't Get This Joke (none / 0)

      But I have a suspicion it's funny.

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by DHinMI on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:20:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Ah, (none / 0)

        It's from the film Napoleon Dynamite.  It's a cult fave on college campuses these days.  If you've seen the "Vote for Pedro" teeshirts, they're also from this film.

        I prefer this brand of Socratic inquiry, actually: WTF is wrong with you?

        by lightiris on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:29:13 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Anecdote (none / 0)

          Hahaha, I saw -- and loved -- Napoleon Dynamite. And then one day, a few weeks later while in a supermarket I saw a guy in a Vote for Pedro shirt. I thought, "that seems familiar!" But I couldn't place it. Eventually I figured it was some Democratic candidate named Pedro whom I'd given money to. It wasn't until I was getting into my car that I realized it was from Napoleon Dynamite.

          it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

          by Addison on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:32:39 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Not Search For Tomorrow, though (none / 0)

      Search For The Perfect Blog

      Cast and crew, as motley as you can get with renowned strength in the suffering any kinda fool gladly department.

      "But your flag decal won't get you into heave anymore."--Prine
      Blue House Diaries

      by Cathy on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:23:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hey dere Marisacat ... =^..^= (none / 0)

    Comin' in here on dose lil cat feet a yours, droppin this here invite down.

    Thanks and thanks again.

    Ignore the grouches.

    Ya done good. :-)

    Should a "progressive" Dem blog dwell in the safe zones of a tame party, or should it drive a tame party to break out?

    by NYCee on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 08:00:10 PM PDT

Permalink | 104 comments