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Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 07:00:00 AM PDT

*Update [2005-8-29 10:31:46 by nika7k]:* some of these bloggers are starting to lose power and structural integrity of their buildings. Fox is reporting flooding in the quarter and the east bank of NO.. I am updating blog entries as I get them below

Update [2005-8-29 11:25:25 by nika7k]: I have been listening to NO TV by streaming feed and they seem to have been knocked out (they are now in Mississippi to "get out of the storm track")

There are several people who are blogging from the areas affected by Katrina. (This is all thanks to the blog digging by a fellow flickerian at our "Hurricane Katrina" flicker photo-blogging group).


Times-Picayune Hurricane Bunker Blog

Eye on Katrina Blog

Metroblogging New Orleans

Hattie's Blog

The Irish Trojan's Blog

Update [2005-8-29 14:4:58 by nika7k]: WUNIDS_map
Latest radar out of Mobile, AL with wind vectors from this site: Weather Underground: Current Mobile Nexrad Radar Map

More after the jump

Update [2005-8-29 14:19:3 by nika7k]:
Here are some pics taken from this blog who may have gotten them from this blog (which it seems is overloaded with visits).

HURRICANE KATRINA TOPIX

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Update [2005-8-29 12:4:6 by nika7k]:

Metroblogging New Orleans

*"We're talking about an east bank event rather than a West Bank event."*

Observers in City Hall are reporting broken windows in buildings up and down Loyola Ave., including the Amoco Building, which is right across the street from them.

The Coast Guard says they've gotten calls from vessels in in Southeast Louisiana as well as people who can't get through on 911 lines (probably because they're still down) with reports of people on roofs at Villere and Louisa streets and on Almonaster Drive. Those calls are going to local law enforcement via the Coast Guard because the Coast Guard can't respond to those calls, yet.

Walter Maestri, the Emergency Management Director for Jeff. Parish, said they still can't get out to verify reports of flooding. (as of about 8:45 am)

There's reports of a building collapse on Manhattan Boulevard (West Bank -- this area has been built up a lot in just the last two years, no indication what block it might be, but large apartment complexes and retail shopping centers are all along the main stretch between Lapalco and the Expressway) and a roof being blown off an apartment building at S. Judah and Ames Blvd. on the West Bank.

Maestri said, "Right now, the east bank calls are outrunning the West Bank calls by 3 to 1," he said.

Flooding in Lincoln Manor in Kenner (I think this is one of the more notorious Kenner flood-prone locations)

Breach of a levee reported by officials near East Jefferson Hospital. "The word we get is that it is not a break but must be spray from tidal surge that has overtopped the levees," he said.

The East Jefferson Levee District confirms water had breached sand bags on Airline Drive at the St. Charles Parish-Kenner line. "They tried then to drive all the levees but were just could not," he said of levee district workers.

Maestri warned we might get hurricane force winds until 2 p.m. and tropical storm force winds until 7 p.m. The storm track likely means flooding will be worst on the East Bank of Jefferson Parish.

National Weather Service has reported 12-15 foot waves in Lake Pontchartrain.

Storm downgraded to Category 3, landfall in Gulfport. Boats reported in buildings in Gulfport.

The National Hurricane Center downgraded storm surge predictions for New Orleans to 15 feet from the earlier 28 feet projection. Still enough for severe flooding. That was about 9:45am, so I expect we'll get solid info on how severe the flooding is city-wide soon. Although I think winds have to drop below 60 mph before they'll send out any crews, so potentially that could be another 9 hours according to Maestri, but more likely 4 or 5 hours if the storm keeps up its pace.

Hopefully we won't get smacked too hard by the remnants here in Columbus. But, it'll be the third hurricane after-effects we've gotten this year already, so hopefully there's not too much left to blow down.

Latest Damage Reports

Orleans:

- Levy topped, not breached, at Industrial Canal near Tennessee St. (I think that's near Holy Cross) on the Chalmette Side of the canal

- Charity Hospital on emergency power, lots of blown windows

- The Police on backup power

- Up to 4 ft. of water on St. Claude near Jackson Barracks

- 4 pumping stations knocked out by tidal surge. One has been able to resume operation

- Bridge to parking garage at Memorial hospital reported collapsed (I think this is block or two east of Charity Hospital downtown, and about two blocks north of the Dome, but I'm not positive)

Other areas:

- Jefferson Parish: Building collapse in 200 block of Wright Ave. in Terrytown (this could be apartments, a car dealership, a clinic, or even part of Oakwood Mall -- that's everything at that corner). People reportedly inside

- Significant flooding in St. Charles on the east bank

- Arabi: "We're telling people to get into the attic and take something with them to cut through the roof if necessary,'' said Col. Richard Baumy of the St. Bernard Parish Sheriff's Office. "It's the same scenario as Betsy.'' Up to 8 feet of water there. Baumy said hurricane winds were preventing rescue efforts.

- Bayou Bienvenue reporting levels at twice normal (9.5 ft.)

- Fire station in Gramercy has been damaged

- Power outages everywhere

More conflicting *Superdome* reports: Water reported pouring in through damage in roof, 2 sections missing, people moved from a section of Dome floor (I thought they weren't allowed on the floor already because of flooding concerns??? -- this whole dome report might be inaccurate) and people moved to the end zone and up into concourses.

Update:

- Oschner Hospital reports flooding according to WDSU, patients being moved to upper floors.

Update II:

- East Jefferson Hospital, too, reports water on the first floor.

Update [2005-8-29 11:25:25 by nika7k]: The Irish Trojan's Blog

The latest
8/29/2005 10:01:00 AM EST
Posted by Brendan Loy

Significant flooding in St. Bernard Parish, according to The Weather Channel.

Stu Ostro says the worst time for northerly winds blowing the water out of Lake Pontchartrain into the city is right now, and for maybe the next 30-60 minutes. After that, the winds will change direction as the storm moves away. (It's a very good thing that it sped up overnight.)

From WDSU: "9:25 a.m.: East Jefferson Hospital Also Flooding: There are also reports of water on the lower floor of East Jefferson Hospital. The flooding may be related to unconfirmed reports of levee breaks along industrial canals in the area."

"9:45 a.m.: Homeowner Says Water Rising: Chris Robinson says the water is rising in his New Orleans-area home, but he's 'holding off on breaking through the roof' to escape. Robinson is keeping a hammer, ax and crowbar at the ready, though. He spoke by cellphone as water sent by Hurricane Katrina flooded parts of the city. -- Associated Press"

"9:47 a.m.: Boats In Buildings In Gulfport: In Gulfport, Miss., a fire chief says there are 'boats that have gone into buildings.' Waves are also crashing over the seawalls in Gulf Shores, Ala. -- Associated Press"

An oil tanker which had previously broken free of its moorings in Mobile Bay has now been secured, according to TWC's Mike Seidel. Officials aren't sure if any oil leaked.

Update [2005-8-29 10:57:2 by nika7k]: Times-Picayune Hurricane Bunker Blog
Monday, August 29, 2005
New Orleans is sinking . . .
I don't want to swim 9:34 - Reports of widespread flooding now, although not at the doomsday scenario levels. But we've got several hours to go before we've seen the worst past. Scanner traffic is busy with calls of rising water, including 18 inches and rising against the levee in the French Quarter. Dispatchers questioning officers on the scene, trying to determine if there is a break in the river levee, or if water is pouring over the top. Independently, NOLA has received a flooding alert for the French Market area.
Fairly heavy street flooding in front and behind the Times-Picayune . . . water appears about knee deep, whipped by the steady wind into whitecaps and breakers. Water is hubcap deep on the furthest vehicles in the employee parking lot, and rising quickly.

Update [2005-8-29 10:41:40 by nika7k]: Another local blogger
Josh Britton "Superdome update August 29th, 2005 @ 9:29 am CNN’s Jeanne Meserve just reported that the white outer membrane of the Superdome’s roof is “shredded”, and that there is no indication that folks are being moved inside."

*Update [2005-8-29 10:31:46 by nika7k]:* The Irish Trojan's Blog: "Collapsed buildings, massive flooding" in N.O. 8/29/2005 09:21:00 AM EST Posted by Brendan Loy NOLA reports: During a morning teleconference, emergency preparedness officials from across southeast Louisiana reported flooding, building collapses, power outages and fires. Here's a run-down of what they reported: - In New Orleans, water topped a levee along the Industrial Canal. The city's 911 emergency system was out of service and Charity Hospital was on emergency power and windows had been blown out on five floors. The Police Department was operating on a backup power system. Three to four feet of water was reported on St. Claude Avenue at Jackson Barracks. And a 20-foot tidal surge knocked out four pumping stations; only one was able to get back into service. Also in New Orleans, a bridge connecting a parking garage to Memorial Hospital collapsed. - In Jefferson Parish, there was a report of a building collapse in the 200 block of Wright Avenue in Terrytown. Parish officials could not provide details other than to say they had been notified that people were inside the building. - In St. Charles Parish, significant flooding was reported on the east bank. - In Arabi, up to 8 feet of water was reported, and people are climbing into their attics to escape the flooding. "We're telling people to get into the attic and take something with them to cut through the roof if necessary,'' said Col. Richard Baumy of the St. Bernard Parish Sheriff's Office. "It's the same scenario as Betsy.'' Baumy said 100-plus mph winds were preventing rescue efforts. At Bayou Bienvenue, water levels were reported at 9 1/2 feet, almost twice normal levels. - In St. John, massive power outages are reported. - In Gramercy, there was extensive damage to the town's 1 1/2-year-old fire station. - Terrebonne Parish reported a fatality from a heart attack. Also, there are massive power outages, unsurprisingly.

Times-Picayune Hurricane Bunker Blog: (The reporters from New Orleans TP that are left are riding the storm out on the third floor of the T-P's offices now on generator power.) Outside the one window that's not now heavily shuttered, we can see the trees in the newspaper's parking circle whipping wildly. ... I'm looking at the wind smashing the trees outside this building, and thinking of those 80-foot-tall pines that snap off even during tropical storms. And that storm surge. All we can do now is pray for our family members in harm's way. ... most frantic calls about downtown hotels, where a number of windows have blown out. Guests huddling in halls. Water blowing in through windows, leaking through ceilings. ... Building collapse reported on Laurel near Washington in the Garden District . . . possibly with people inside. Emergency workers trying to see if they can get a National Guard deuce-and-a-half to get through the storm for possible rescue.

Eye on Katrina Blog: (Two Mississippi Sun Herald's reporters are blogging from the Coast.) There are two sailboats in the intersection of U.S. 90 and 25th Avenue, and multiple boats in Jones Park, where the water is to the bottom of the oak trees. Water is getting into First Baptist Church, and it's in the parking lot at the Gulfport Library. O'Brien was out with two other firemen in a GFD pickup truck, and they said water was getting into the elevator lobby of the Grand Casino hotel south of 90 and they thought it was getting into the gambling barge's first floor. ... The wind is whipping now. The roof on the building is creaking. You can hear the building's joints straining. ... They've got 9 feet of water in Waveland. She thinks they've lost part of the back of the courthouse over there. There are houses in Bay St. Louis that don't normally flood that have water up to the doorknobs. ... Dee Lumpkin said she was unable to give a windspeed, as their anemometer on the mast on top of their building had broken.

Metrobloggin g New Orleans: Air conditioning out at Louisiana Superdome due to power outages. But they did get MREs delivered by Orleans Parish workers early early this morning. Something like 350,000. But wow, 30-40,000 people in a building with no A/C. They will be asked to stay there if there is prolonged flooding. 15 semis of bottled water were delivered, as well. I estimate the interior of the dome s under a Category 4 Misery watch and may see Category 6 or 7 Misery levels before they are able to leave. ... CNN is apparently reporting that a portion of the Superdome roof is peeling away, but this is likely just the outer layer of foam, not the underlying steel roof panels.

Hattie's Blog: From Hattiesburg, Mississippi, about 70-90 miles north of the Mississippi Gulf Coast. Lots of crazy wind here in Hattiesburg. Small branches down. Very light rain. Though New Orleans may not be getting the smackdown that was expected, it is worse here this morning than I expected. I sort of thoughtwe would be at this level of bluster more towards noon. ... We are about to have to head to the hallway, I think. Pretty serious gusts and we should be under tornado warning and not just a watch here in a few. ...I'm out, guys. Something big just fell on the house. Next up, Jennifer will be taking over.

The Irish Trojan's Blog: Initial report from West Jefferson Medical Center - She is ok, but the hospital is on its last leg of backup power (how absurdly inadequate?). They heard that at East Jefferson, in Metairie, across the river from them, that there was flooding on the lowest level of the hospital. Confirmed on WWL TV. ... Whether the storm surge and waves will nevertheless be enough to overwhelm the levees, and if so, to what extent, remains to be seen. But compared to the general despair of 24 and even 12 (hell, 6) hours ago, things are definitely looking up for the possibility that New Orleans as we know it will survive to see another day. ... WDSU's reporter in the Superdome is reporting that at least one section of the Dome is leaking and getting worse. According to the phone report, he couldn't see sky but they felt increasing rain falling on them and were planning to move to a more protected area around the concession stands. ... On an early morning radio interview, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said that water was coming over the levee system in the Lower 9th Ward, especially in the Florida Avenue area. Nagin said that the Florida Avenue pumping station was not working, and there were unconfirmed reports of people standing on their roofs. "There is a significant amount of water in the 9th Ward," Nagin said. Nagin said that city officials had reports of at least five fires in the city and one collapsed building. The locations of the fires and the building were not specified.

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  •  Linked n/t (4.00 / 3)

    Read UTI, your free thought forum

    by DarkSyde on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 07:04:20 AM PDT

  •  Superdome evacuation (none / 0)

    CNN just reported that they're going to evacuate the Superdome due to the roof damage. Reports say there are 30,000 to 40,000 people in there. How will they get them all through this storm to safety, and where will they go? Some of the blogs above report other shelters with damage as well.
    •  to the other side of the Superdome (4.00 / 9)

      No one's been evacuated FROM the Superdome, just out of the corner that's leaking.
      •  thanks (4.00 / 6)

        People act like these people are in a gym.

        They are in the world's largest indoor stadium.  The east end could collapse, and the people on the west end would be a quarter mile away.

        "Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." - Voltaire

        by DrFrankLives on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 07:56:29 AM PDT

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        •  Yah, that's why I gave him/her a 4. (4.00 / 4)

          CNN drives me crazy. Hysterical handflapping and crocodile tears. Emotion over fact every time.

          -9.0, -8.3. History is more or less bunk.--Henry Ford
          Henry Ford is more or less bunk.--history

          by SensibleShoes on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 08:04:37 AM PDT

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          •  thank you (4.00 / 2)

            I'm annoyed by the correspondent in Biloxi freaking out over the canopy ripping off.  "Look!  There goes another piece!  Do you see it??"  I mean, get a grip.

            It's not just CNN, either.  The "infotainment" crap has permeated our society.  The more horror, the more freaking-out, the more tragic loss of life, the more 'tainment.

            We Americans really have to develop stiff upper lips.

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            by hrh on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 08:32:18 AM PDT

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            •  He's probably expecting to die (none / 0)

              He's gonna get the full storm surge so perhaps he is a bit anxiety ridden and hysterical at the moment.
              •  I doubt it (4.00 / 3)

                These TV people have to keep flogging the drama so the viewers will stick around and watch the commercials.

                Am I cynical?  Oh yes.

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                by hrh on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 08:48:09 AM PDT

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                •  And they've had a rough month. (4.00 / 10)

                  The safe landing of the space shuttle, the bloodless cession of the Gaza Strip, and now this-- the eastern eyewall missing New Orleans (like I got flamed last night for saying it would, ahem). It's a real blow to tv news. If some catastrophic loss of life doesn't occur soon, they may be forced to turn to reporting Iraqi and Afghan civilian casualties. Maybe even Darfur.

                  -9.0, -8.3. History is more or less bunk.--Henry Ford
                  Henry Ford is more or less bunk.--history

                  by SensibleShoes on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 08:53:09 AM PDT

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                •  In his case, it might be sincere. (4.00 / 3)

                  I sensed a rising sense of panic in him earlier in the morning when they had him outside. There was just something in his voice, even though he was keeping it together, that made me think he was on the edge of a breakdown and wondering what the heck he was thinking when he took a job that put him in the path of a hurricane.
                  •  it is scary out there (4.00 / 3)

                    I've personally been trapped outside waiting for a rescue in a category 3 hurricane, and I can promise you it was the single scariest moment of my entire life, and that's saying a lot.  I don't blame him for being agitated.  

                    I watched the same footage and kept thinking, jeez, get inside, you idiot, you're gonna get beheaded.  

                    Did you hear him talking to his cameraman?  That was a good thing to hear, cuz the cameraman's eyes are fixed ahead, he can't see what's coming at him from behind.  So I was glad the reporter was looking out for him.  But they both should have been inside and away from structures that were obviously getting torn apart.

            •  It is scary, but (none / 0)

              the main damage to the roof is reported as lost sheathing -- which may be like losing shingles on a regular roof.  That happens whenever we have high winds (we're near the Great Lakes), and the roof is still structurally sound underneath.  Let's hope.

              "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

              by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:10:03 AM PDT

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              •  Actually, it's VERY scary (none / 0)

                The roof of the Superdome is self-supporting, in fact, it's the only indoor arena with a self-supporting, braceless roof.

                If the integrity of the roof is compromised, it is very possible that the entire roof could collapse. So far, with a few panels and nearly half of the outer material missing, the roof appears to be holding, but no one can be sure how long it can last like this -- the engineering study that was commissioned to determine the strength of the Superdome's roof in the event of a major hurricane was interrupted by Hurricane Katrina.

                From: Louisiana Superdome Articles

                The uniqueness of the Superdome's roof, designed by Binkley Engineering Company of St. Louis (formerly Roof Structures, Incorporated) is its "lamella" configuration, which is nothing more than a series of overlapping triangles building out from a ring in the center. This gives stability against any downward forces. The Superdome's 75-ton, 124-foot-diameter (38 meters), gondola handing from the center of the roof, gives it a stability against upward forces as well.

                To build the 9.7 acre, 680-foot-diameter (205meters) clear span roof hanging (American Bridge Division of U.S. Steel Corporation was the contractor) required the use of 37 scaffolds in concentric circles, as well as mobile cranes.

                The entire Superdome was designed with the intention of making everything in it capable of contributing to the stability of the structure. Its superstructure has four main column lines as the perimeter of the building to support the building and the seat bents and meeting room spaces. The columns supporting the tension ring are on 22-foot (6.6 meters) centers, arranged in a perfect circle. The columns for support of the seat bents cantilevering 65 feet (21 meters) are set in two separate rows that make up the "Squircle" pattern (the interior of the building is slightly elliptical in shape). An outer row of columns frames the convention room area.

                Wind bracing is placed between the seat bent columns and Superdome columns, alternating between the three rows of columns and places where it doesn't interfere with the concourses or lobbies.

                The roof had to be analyzed separately  because of its unique construction. First of all at the building's perimeter, K bracing extends out from the Dome columns to provide additional wind bracing and also to accommodate the rain gutters surrounding the Superdome' s 2,200 foot (660 meters) perimeter. The upper arms of  the K's support the 96 sections of the gutter, each 22 feet (6.6 meters) long by 10 feet (3.1 meters) by 4 feet (1.25 meters) deep.

                Atop the 96 Superdome supporting columns rests the tension ring on 4-inch diameter (10 centimeters) rocker bearings. The bearings allow movement of the entire ring due to temperature contraction and expansion of about 3 inches (7.7 centimeters) in either direction from the column center ring.

                The 9-foot (2.8 meters) ring consists of top and bottom chords and diagonals of 14 inch wide (36 centimeters) flanges.

                Principal framing of the roof consists of 12 main rings at 30 degree intervals spanning from the 5-foot (1.5 meters) crown block to the tension ring.  The ribs are connected by five concentric interior rings about 56 feet (17 meters) apart. Secondary trusses fill in and span from the intersection of main ribs and interior rings to the perimeter tension ring.

                Formerly, a voice of objective reason in the partisan din of the U.S. National Security community.

                by mustang dvs on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 02:07:39 PM PDT

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                •  You're right; that is scary (none / 0)

                  and I will hope all is well.

                  Btw, I'm in Milwaukee, where construction of our domed stadium war doomed from the start with the deaths of three workers . . . and a leaking roof from the start.  It's retractable, but we can't retract it any more until the studies here find out what's wrong -- and until the suits are settled.

                  And we're still paying taxes on it in my county for decades to come from this GOP boondoggle.  They do so like using our money to experiment with public architecture.

                  "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

                  by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 04:06:49 PM PDT

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            •  It's awful (none / 0)

              I came back to the computer and boring (but sober) NPR after a dose of cable news.  

              What really kills me is the graphics departments - I don't blame the designers, but whoever gives them the orders.  CNN's got this incredibly tacky intro piece with "Hurricane Katrina," a bunch of images, and then words behind like "catastrophic," "devastation" and on and on.  

              Oh, and Rita Cosby will apparently have folks on tonight talking about the heartbreak and loss and blah blah blah.  Sheesh.  It's so cloying, I can't stand it.  I have sympathy for people who have suffered the effects, but I don't like having it forced on me by a bunch of talking heads chasing ratings, you know?  

          •  thanks (none / 0)

            for clarifying. CNN only had the headline "Breaking: Superdome to be evacuated." The 30-40,000 number is from one of the blogs linked above. Since then, I saw 10,000 in the Superdome reported on TV.
  •  NW FL here (4.00 / 3)

    I'm all the way over in NW FL and the rain is blowing sideways.  Power is still on here though (some other places around here are w/o power) and no big trees down but small trees leaning all the way over and large branches down.

    We have a tornado warning and have had about 10 inches of rain, it won't flood where I'm at but I believe it will in a lot of other places in NW FL.

    Still nothing like Ivan or as bad as Dennis was and certainly not like what LA and Mississppi will be feeling.

    -HK

    Home is where the cat is

    by HK on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 07:33:55 AM PDT

  •  Per MSNBC - 35% of Louisiana National Guard (4.00 / 5)

    is in Iraq. She didn't give a specific number, and I don't know how many there are in total.

    A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.

    by Terre on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 08:12:56 AM PDT

  •  interesting poll at CNN.com (none / 0)

    "Do you believe global warming is a factor behind the recent severe weather?"

    55% say yes, 33% no, 12% not sure.  

    Here is the link

  •  Your Hurricane pics (none / 1)

    When and if you get them please share your pics with us at our "Hurricane Katrina" image aggregator group on Flickr at Hurricance Katrina Flicker Group
  •  Where are the NOLA Kossacks? (none / 0)

    Such as nolalily.  Has anyone heard from them?

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    by hrh on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 08:33:36 AM PDT

  •  Flooding in French Quarter (none / 0)

    This is unconfirmed but a reporter for the local Lafayette CBS affiliate claims that he was told by police officers in New Orleans that the French Quarter is under 8-10 feet of water.
    •  Correction (none / 0)

      He's not a reporter.  He's a paramedic who is stationed in the Superdome.  State Trooper Lt. Col. Pete Scheider is on now.  He says that he also gotten reports of massive flooding in the French Quarter, but he couldn't confirm the reports because they can't get anyone near the area.
    •  We'll know is a few hours (none / 0)

      but the Quarter is in the East Bank, and that's where all the reports of heaviest flooding are coming from. If the water truly is that high it will float the shotguns in the residential section right off their foundations-if they weren't already blown off by the wind.

      If at first you don't succeed, skydiving probably isn't your sport.

      by Lefty Malone on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:49:40 AM PDT

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  •  can't stream video for some reason (none / 0)

    Trying to get cnn.com to stream video. I get sound just fine, but no picture.

    only fools are enslaved by time and space

    by PanzerMensch on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:27:12 AM PDT

  •  MSNBC has had best network coverage (none / 1)

    Reports from inside the Superdome - less than 10,000 people inside, contrary to other reports but they are there, large panels blew off the top of the dome and numerous holes.  Very noisy and wet and little light - emergency generators.

    Other reports of sailboats on highway in Alabama, New Orleans looks like heavy to extreme damage but not catastrophic as originally feared before Katrina weakened and turned east.

    Reports from Louisiana emergency management center indicate low lying areas of Louisiana had flooding in some cases over 20 feet.  Many casualties feared.

    Ocean Springs Missippi where I once lived one of hardest hit areas.  

    Not the extreme disaster many feared of 20 feet of water in all of New Orleans, but extreme damage equivalent to an F3 or F4 tornado over 200 miles wide lasting for hours.  More flooding and damage expected as hurricane and later storm moves up to Ohio.

  •  Half of exterior of Superdome roof peeled off (4.00 / 2)

    •  So the CNN reporter was right (2.50 / 2)

      when she said half the dome was shredded.
      •  Shredded? (3.50 / 4)

        There are a few tiles off the roof.  Stiff upper lip, lovie.
        •  Not a few tiles (3.50 / 2)

          Half of the external layer that covers the roof has been ripped off by the wind.
        •  The picture above does not look like (4.00 / 8)

          "a few tiles". I have been thru Andrew '92 (cat 5) and well remember everyone downplaying the damage for the first 24 hours, until local TV got helicopters up in the air. Soon it became O.M.F.G. !

          Those 24 hours of downplay turned into 18 months of discovering damage. Because of the downplay at first, supplies were slow in getting down to Miami, rescue efforts that should have been started sooner left later and many thousands of people went without water, ice, diapers etc.

          So excuse me while I place your stiff upper lip right where the sun don't shine....

          A few photos to remind you:

          •  A plethora of 4's (4.00 / 2)

            for you mad ramblings. First for the pictures and second for your interesting comment about the initial downplaying of damage. I think because this thing broke down a little everyone now is like "ho hum." But 8 feet of water is nothing to yawn at.

            A third 4 for your sig. Hilarious.

            Oh, and you're in Tennessee so that qualifies you for a fourth.

          •  Let's see what the Superdome . . . (4.00 / 3)

            refugees say when they get out.

            I'm going to put my money on some nasty horror stories.

            Just my intuition. we'll see.

          •  I guess I just don't see (3.00 / 2)

            how hyperbole and drama help anything, but boy howdy don't all modern media, including the internets, start groaning under the weight of both at the first sign of a crisis.

            "Shredded" is not the word I'd use to describe the Superdome.  "Shredded" is the word I'd use to describe the damage in the other two pictures you've posted.  Frankly the appetite for destruction around here is a turnoff; you sound almost as though you WANT to see unprecedented devastation and surely that is not what you wish to convey.

            As for your unnecessary insult, there is no need to lose your manners as well as your perspective.  Can we not just wait and see the actual extent of the damage before we run screaming in circles?

            •  I didn't use the word "shredded" a (none / 1)

              reporter on CNN did, and on the other Katrina thread they were mocking her.

              I never implied, mentioned or stated that I wanted devastation.

              Obviously you have never experienced a tornado or hurricane, (I have been through both several times) I have not lost my perspective, I PERSONALLY KNOW FIRST HAND what a wait a see attitude does to hurricane victims. I also know exactly what happens when the reporters wait and see...the hurricane recovery "waits" to begin. And then the insurance companies, FEMA, Red Cross, etc., pack up their bags and leave once the TV coverage stops. They leave people without homes in tents (Over 10,000 people from Andrew lived in tent city for almost 6 months), they leave people with blue tarps for a roof, they leave three generations living in a 1 bedroom apartments with no A/C in 95o heat and 95% humidity. They leave middle class people with previously normal lives living on the street.  

              If you don't believe me, drive to Cape Coral, FL & Captiva Island and count the blue tarps still up from last year, ask Bacon Grease Kid all about it. Ask those people if you should wait and see about getting relief to an area. Ask the 250,000 homeless survivors of Andrew how long it took before they had water they could drink, ask them how long until they had an actual bed to sleep on. Ask them if they could have saved some of their belongings if they had tarps or plastic the first week.....

        •  Shredded? No. Severely damaged? Yes! (none / 0)

          The roof of the Superdome is frameless and self-supporting.  There is no interior bracing of the roof, so losing even a couple of the panels (it has lost at least 4 panels) and/or the external tension covering could cause the collapse of the entire roof.

          Furthermore, the engineering study that was commissioned to determine the structural integrity in the event of a major storm and/or storm damage was interrupted by Hurricane Katrina, so no one is really sure of how much damage the dome can withstand.

          Formerly, a voice of objective reason in the partisan din of the U.S. National Security community.

          by mustang dvs on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 02:12:17 PM PDT

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  •  Middle TN is the "calm before the storm" (4.00 / 2)

    right now. We had a strong storm last evening and rain most of the day yesterday. This morning it was a gentle rain which stopped around 8:30am or 9:00. It has been eerily quite ever since 9:00 am. No wind, no breeze just overcast with very heavy clouds. The ground is saturated so the possibility of trees toppling over with strong winds tonight and tomorrow is great.

    All the birds have been eating in great numbers at my feeders, with little arguing between the types as to who get to eat first. The only other time that happens is during a cold snap or snow. Hummers are still feeding too.  

    Will blog, here on Kos, the effects in Middle TN tonight and tomorrow, if anyone is interested.

    •  Please do (none / 0)

      I was surprised to hear predictions that in a few days, Katrina will cause severe weather in Canada. Not hurricane-force winds, of course, but severe enough that they were commenting on it. I hadn't realized a storm kept any appreciable power so far inland. Please let us know how it goes in TN.
      •  The tsunami went around the world (none / 0)

        according to a fascinating story I read last week -- measurable waves rippled around the world afterward.

        Thus, I guess, the meteorologists' use of the term "weather systems" as much or more than "storms" that seem to have impact on only one place.

        "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

        by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:14:09 AM PDT

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      •  everybody along the path, please do post... (none / 0)

        last track i saw had whatever's remaining of the eye passing damn near bton in. here... should be weak, but we've had strong storm remnants of 'canes before.

        currently just overcast (and way too far for that to be direct kat effect), but interesting you mentioned the birds... the crows up here have been barking all morning.

        ----- most politicians couldn't care less how you vote every four years... but they pay very close attention to where you spend four years' worth of money.

        by n step on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:19:35 AM PDT

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      •  yes, in Montreal (none / 0)

        we often get bad weather after a hurricane.  depends on its path, so not every hurricane will affect us.
      •  we expect it over Montreal wed. night (none / 0)

        I'm sure it won't be too bad by then. Nothing like the yummy summer afternoon crackers.

        "They're telling us something we don't understand"
        General Charles de Gaulle, Mai '68

        by subtropolis on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:58:20 AM PDT

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    •  After Hurricane Opal (none / 0)

      our area in Chattanooga was clobbered.  We were without power for about 5 days.  Trees toppled.  I was surprised that we would get such a storm, so now I am ready for it.  Hopefully, it won't be too bad, I think Middle Tennessee is getting it worse than us, but we will have flooding from the mountains and probably power outages.  Power outages are the worst, what's there to do without my computer?
    •  I need you too (none / 0)

      I have a TN friend due to fly out of Nashville tomorrow at 6:40 pm (Tuesday) destined for Colorado. Frontier thought it may well be cancelled, but she can't re-book until it's cancelled and then subsequent flights will be booked up. So...knowing what is happening in mid Tennessee would be great!
  •  It's a good thing (none / 0)

    Brian Williams is safe at the dome, because we wouldn't want to lose that national fucking treasure.

    Best of luck to you. And to everyone there. Even Brian Williams. What will he do if he loses power to his teleprompter?

    Seriously, I was able to visit New Orleans a couple of years ago. I have a warm place in my heart for Fritzel's. And for Koop's.

    "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran!" McCain doesn't need a presidency. He needs a Playstation.

    by The Gryffin on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:45:53 AM PDT

  •  NWS concerned about employees in NO (none / 1)

    I'm listening to ham radio operators from the region communicating via radio-VOIP links.  The National Weather Service has lost all communications with their New Orleans office, and are concerned about their status...
  •  Mobile under H2O. 187k w/o pwr. (none / 0)


     HK's moving up through Mississippi with the NE quadrant whamming the MS-AL state line.  Tuscaloosa City and County schools were closed today as HK's first nasty fingers are going to start stroking West Central Ala within the next hour or so -- some school kids in the more rural areas have 45min-1hr bus rides and school officials understandably didn't want them on the road in school buses when HK started doing her thing in that area. . .

     BenGoshi
    ___________________

    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:55:54 AM PDT

    •  Thoughts to Mobile (none / 1)

      which, with all the attention to New Orleans, looks to be having a bad time of it, too, from what we see on tv.  And the same to all the other coastal towns -- as well as those inland getting hit soon.  Even if they're not hit as bad, I know from experience as a small-towner for a while that they will have more difficulty getting resources to them, when there are masses of people in major cities in need.  (The parallel in the North was when I lived on a farm on the outskirts of a major city -- and whenever there were massive power outages from blizzards and ice storms, the city got power back within hours . . . while we usually had to wait at least five days.  We finally got a generator.)

      "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

      by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 12:56:06 PM PDT

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  •  More from the hams (none / 0)

    90 MPH wind gusts in Hattiesburg,MS, with collapsed buildings there, too.
  •  Severe flooding confirmed an the south end of (none / 0)

    the lake. No levy, but the boat access canals overflowed. 7-10 feet of water, Airline Road impassible. Orleans, Jefferson, and St. Barnard parrish still facing rising water. St. Barnard Courthouse (10 foor ceilings) first floor is completely filled.

    No hard confirmation on the Quarter, but Jackson Barracks has 7-10 feet of water, with many buildings completely submerged.

    If at first you don't succeed, skydiving probably isn't your sport.

    by Lefty Malone on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 12:01:48 PM PDT

  •  Recent radar close up of New Orleans (none / 0)

    WUNIDS_map250pm


    Hours yet for poor New Orleans.  Note that the flow is down and to the right.  This is the bottom left quadrant of the cyclone.
  •  Hattiesburg (none / 0)

    Just talked to a friend in Hattiesburg. When the power went out this morning, he yoinked all the battery backups from his computers and TV and is using them to recharge his cell phone. The east corner of the eye passed over him about twenty minutes ago. He's 6mi west of Hattiesburg.

    FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!* some restrictions apply. See Patriot Act for details.

    by Rat on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 12:06:46 PM PDT

  •  All hell in Mobile (none / 0)

    WUNIDS_map Mobile Alabama



    This radar image scares the pants off me kids.  The fury that Dauphin Island all the way up to Mobile AL must be experiencing right now must be OFF the scale.

    This can be found at: Radar Site

    •  A New "Big Un" to Talk About. (none / 0)


       Since 1979, Hurricane Frederick was the standard by which devestating hurricanes were measured, as far as Daulphin Islanders were concerned.  Looks like Frederick might very well get upstaged.  Noted above:  Mobile's flooded (saw it on the local news about an hour ago) and Alabama Power reports around 187,000 now without power in Mobile.  Likely to rise.  Tuscaloosa and Birmingham are now in the crosshairs . . .  Note:  yes that's East of Katrina's center, but East is that which gets the worst of it -- just ask Gulf Port, Biloxi and Mobile.

       BenGoshi
      __________________

      "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

      by BenGoshi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 12:23:52 PM PDT

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  •  For those with an IRC client... (none / 0)

    ...there's an IRC channel dedicated right now for Katrina chat: #skywarn on rumble.fl.us.dal.net or mesra.kl.my.dal.net.
  •  Irish Channel??? (none / 0)

    Any folks here know the status of the Irish Channel neighborhood?  I have friends there and am a little concerned.  They may have evacuated, but I'm wondering if their house is flooded.

    When a whole nation is roaring Patriotism at the top of its voice, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands and the purity of its heart. - Emerson

    by foolrex on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 12:49:00 PM PDT

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