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Oops! David Brooks Does It Again!

Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:07:42 PM PDT

   I generally try to avoid reading anything by David Brooks, because his columns are so poorly thought out, and he is such a selective historian.  However, today I made the mistake of reading one, and it was so egregiously self-serving, I just had to respond.  See the column itself here. My letter to the editors below the flip(and I sent a similar version directed to Brooks himself, and to the Public Editor).
To the Editors--

         As the saying goes, Mr. Brooks is entitled to his own opinions, but not to his own facts.  Re his column about the rise of "virtue" (NYT, 8/7/05)--as usual, he both cherry-picks his stats, and then over-generalizes to score ideological points.  For example, where is he getting his figures on domestic violence from?  The most recent stats available through the Department of Justice do in fact show a decline in such incidents of about 21% from 1993 to 1998, but if he is making claims as to trends since then (seven years ago!), what are his sources?  Particularly since your own paper has recently been reporting the increase in murders of wives by returning soldier husbands on military bases since the Iraq War began, and since historically in the US domestic violence rates have gone up during times of economic hardship and in wartime, we don't know what the current trends in "virtue" are, and Mr. Brooks should not be making claims he cannot substantiate.  Rates of child victimization were 13.4 per 1000 in 1990, and were 12.3 per 1000 in 2002, hardly something to cheer about.  Teenage pregnancy--well, we don't know, do we, because the current administration does not apparently collect or publish the numbers (according to the Children's Defense Fund, one out of nine children in the country are currently born to a teenage mom).  We do know something about humans trafficked into the US annually right now--45,000-50,000 annually, according to the DOJ, which means there must be something of a market for such things here among our "virtuous" citizens.

        And by the way, those badly-behaved baby boomers Mr. Brooks so loves to trash (is he not one of them?)--they are among those adult members of society (the social workers, etc. he tips his hat to) who have worked so hard over the years to try to make things better, and they are the ones who have helped push for better parenting skills in our society, and who were the role models for the most recent crop of young parents.  No one generation corners the market on virtue, and no one generation is better than any other.  To claim otherwise is simply silly.  But if Mr. Brooks is going to quote statistics and studies, at least he should do so honestly.

                        Sincerely, etc.

                                               

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  •  Thanks. (4.00 / 2)

    Your response is dead on Bibble. Thanks for taking the time to write the editor.
  •  This is interesting... (none / 1)

    I didn't see the Brooks piece, but I did see (on one of the weekend talk shows - I think it was the McLaughlin Group) this very issue mentioned in which it was praised to high heaven that home violence was decreasing.  I don't know for sure, but I suspect that all they did was read Brooks' article and reach suspect conclusions from it.  If Brooks is really relying on solely 1993-1998 data, then he is being more than dishonest.  Good LTTE, but it probably won't be blathered all over the media the way Brooks' slipshod journalism is.

    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

    by Viceroy on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:20:17 PM PDT

  •  Virtue took a holiday in Kansas City this weekend (none / 1)

    Headline in today's Kansas City Star.

    4 die in separate shootings: Weekend proves violent in the area

    The top of the story has this `There are so many guns out there.'  St. Louis gets the NRA convention next year.

    Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren. Bertolt Brecht

    by MoDem on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:23:48 PM PDT

  •  I read Brooks' column this morning, (none / 1)

    and I knew that he had to be fudging the numbers somehow.  Thanks for the solid info.

    If you don't have an earth-shaking idea, get one, you'll love building a better world.

    by hestal on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 12:29:12 PM PDT

    •  His trick: "Borrow" Clinton numbers (none / 1)

      To make Bush look good.

      It's the only way Bush's reckless dismantling of the public welfare looks good...

      • Teenage pregancies, down on Clinton years are up on Bush, so much so that US is "the champ" among developed nations
      • Marriage statistics: Notice he only mentioned college educated statistics ? That's because the blue states record is excellent and the red states' is dismal! Where is college education viewed as liberal brainwashing and avoided like the plague ? You guessed it: Red States.
      • Domestic violence: I'm willing to bet wit you the numbers are up from 2000-2005 and that's why he had to go back to 1993 to make them look good for Bush on average...

      The Permanent Republican Majority lasted about as long as The Thousand Year Reich

      by lawnorder on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 01:18:26 PM PDT

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      •  I'm curious--where have you found (none / 0)

        current numbers for teen pregnancies?  Interestingly, federal websites aren't currently publishing anything that I could find--I got zip searching DHHHS for "teen pregnancy" or for "births out of wedlock" (which last is how the current administration seems to refer to it)--and I tried to link to some stuff on goverment websites through Google, supposedly on these topics--and looks like it had all been scrubbed.  Admittedly, I didn't pursue this for long, so maybe it's there somewhere, but I do have a life besides constantly responding to wingnut nonsense, so limited the time I allotted for a search.

        ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

        by bibble on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 01:40:48 PM PDT

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        •  Here (none / 0)

          Entrez PubMed

          Differences in teenage pregnancy rates among five developed countries: the roles of sexual activity and contraceptive use.

          Darroch JE, Singh S, Frost JJ.

          The Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York, USA.

          CONTEXT: Adolescent pregnancy, birth, abortion and sexually transmitted disease (STD) rates are much higher in the United States than in most other developed countries. METHODS: Government statistics or nationally representative survey data were supplemented with data collected by private organizations or for regional or local populations to conduct studies of adolescent births, abortions, sexual activity and contraceptive use in Canada, the United States, Sweden, France and Great Britain. RESULTS: Adolescent childbearing is more common in the United States (22% of women reported having had a child before age 20) than in Great Britain (15%), Canada (11%), France (6%) and Sweden (4%); differences are even greater for births to younger teenagers. A lower proportion of teenage pregnancies are resolved through abortion in the United States than in the other countries; however, because of their high pregnancy rate, U.S. teenagers have the highest abortion rate. The age of sexual debut varies little across countries, yet American teenagers are the most likely to have multiple partners. A greater proportion of U.S. women reported no contraceptive use at either first or recent intercourse (25% and 20%, respectively) than reported nonuse in France (11% and 12%, respectively), Great Britain (21% and 4%, respectively) and Sweden (22% and 7%, respectively). CONCLUSIONS: Data on contraceptive use are more important than data on sexual activity in explaining variation in levels of adolescent pregnancy and childbearing among the five developed countries; however, the higher level of multiple sexual partnership among American teenagers may help explain their higher STD rates.

          PMID: 11804433 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

          And more here

          Daily Kos: The PRO-LIFE voted for the wrong guy and here's why

          and here

          Some attorneys are attempting to use Ohio's new gay marriage amendment to defend unmarried clients against domestic violence charges.

          The constitutional amendment took effect on December first. It denies legal status to unmarried couples.

          In at least two cases last week, the Cuyahoga County public defender's office has asked a judge to dismiss domestic-violence charges against unmarried defendants. The attorneys in the two cases argue that the charges violate the amendment by affording marriage-like legal status to unmarried victims who live with the people accused of attacking them.

          Advocates for victims of domestic violence have worried about the effect of the amendment since it passed in November. They fear defense attorneys around the state will copy the tactic used in Cuyahoga County.

          New Amendment Used In Defense Against Domestic Violence Charges

          and here

          essays & effluvia: Post-election Maps, Take 3:

          -College and High School Graduation
          Blue staters graduate HS and are more likely to go to college

          -Red = Poor
          Red staters are poorer

          -Blue = Successful
          Blue states achieve higher success rates

          -Tax Burden / Parasites States
          The Red states are a tax burden on the rest of the country.

          What about that vaunted Moral superiority we hear so much about?

              -Marriage
              Blue staters are more likely to stay married

              -Teen Birth Rates
              Blue staters are less likely to get pregnant in their teen years

              -Chlamydia
              Red staters get more STDs

          -Murder Rates
          Blue Staters are less likely to shoot each other to death

          -Fatal Driving Accidents / DUI
          Blue Staters drive better, and don't let their friends drive drunk

          -Lynchings
          Blue staters are less likely to ignore the law

          How about Obesity? Time to loosen that Bible belt another notch -- Red state voters are fat

          And lastly, lets see about America's favorite pastime:
          Baseball Blue states kick ass (OK, now we're just rubbing it in)

          The Permanent Republican Majority lasted about as long as The Thousand Year Reich

          by lawnorder on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 01:55:54 PM PDT

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          •  You rule lawnorder! (none / 0)

            Your diaries are an essential matter of subscription.

            If it were a head to head with David "everyman" Brooks, I think he'd do a Novak within 3 minutes.

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            We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in - some of us just go one god further
            -- Richard Dawkins

            by deafmetal on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 04:40:05 PM PDT

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        •  stats no longer kept (none / 0)

          As far as I know, the Bush admin ordered the CDC to stop recording and publishing stats on teen pregnancy and abortion a few years ago, because they weren't flattering.

          My teeth aren't white enough for DailyKos, so adios.

          by DrReason on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 05:24:28 PM PDT

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          •  Yep (none / 0)

            He either discontinues the reporting or he fudges the standards...

            Just like

            • The Yearly Terror report
            • The Texas Yearly birth deffects report (pollution)
            • The Texas "Education Miracle" reports...
            • The Labor reports
            ...

            Patient has a high fever ? Throw away the thermomether.
            There, see ? No more fever..

            The Permanent Republican Majority lasted about as long as The Thousand Year Reich

            by lawnorder on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 06:20:34 PM PDT

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  •  Notice the Domestic Violence Decline Years (4.00 / 3)

    Were during the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.

    Yet, Brooks will probably gloss over that fact.

    I just really, really hate cherry-picking.  I'm an academic and every time I read crap like this, I will tell my children: please don't be a columnist like Brooks.  Just tell the WHOLE truth and your statistical sources.

    Sigh.  Some Evangelical down here is going to be crowing about this ASAP (regardless of its veracity).

    •  I know what you mean--this column drove me (4.00 / 4)

      bananas today because I'm an academic, too, and have published in the area of DV, and Brooks' lackadaisical approach to the data is atrocious--'course, I often don't agree with conventional wisdom as it plays out in the domestic violence field either--but when any "side" allows ideology to trump the data, that is wrong.

      ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

      by bibble on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 01:06:39 PM PDT

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  •  My post on it (none / 1)

    lawnorder: The Virtues of Virtue & Cheating

    Cheating: By lumping the good statistics from 1993-2000 (Clinton) to the bad Statistics from 2001-2005 (Bush) David Brooks avoids talking about the big Redneck elepahnt in the room: Bush's dismal record on teenage pregnancy, violence, poverty, etc...

    Virtue: David Brooks explanation for the great 90's statistics (his only token recognition that the federal government, i.e. Democrats & Clinton, played a part is the The Violence Against Women Act, which was passed in 1994).

    Hey, this "creative accounting" worked for Enron! -- law

    The Permanent Republican Majority lasted about as long as The Thousand Year Reich

    by lawnorder on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 01:11:13 PM PDT

  •  The Other Day I Caught Brooks Out (none / 1)

    In something very close to plagiarism.  I sent an email to the NY Times Public Editor about this, have yet to get a response.  Details here.

    "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

    "L'enfer, c'est le GOP!" - JJB, from an idea by oratorio

    by JJB on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 01:11:26 PM PDT

  •  I guess all we can do is try to keep (none / 1)

    chipping away at Brooks' credibility--though how he ever got any is beyond me.  I also never understand how "Shields" of "Brooks and Shields" can sit in the same room with him and "debate" on the Newshour without hurling.

    ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

    by bibble on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 01:15:05 PM PDT

  •  I'm glad (none / 0)

    people are discussing this column here.  It made me groan out loud.

    Did anyone else notice that, even with his cherry-picked statistics, Brooks gave one piece of information that he could have used to answer his own rhetorical question?  In a paragraph about declining drunk driving, he mentioned that consumption of hard liquor has declined 30% since the early 80s.  I would imagine that fewer drunk people might lead to less violence as well, dontcha think?

    I hated that none of his statistics covered the same timeframe.  

    When I told my husband about this column, he said it's not virtue, it's video games!  

    --Elizabeth

    •  Yes--depending on the study, (none / 0)

      alcohol use is involved in 50-80%+ of all domestic violence incidents.  Also, I should mention that includes female to male DV--I didn't count the 160,000 incidents of male victims of DV in 1998 when I did the math on that decrease of 21%--male victimization, per DOJ, held steady at that number in both '93 and '98.

      ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

      by bibble on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 02:54:31 PM PDT

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  •  Thank toro for people like you... (none / 1)

    ...who are aware of the relevant statistics Brooks cherry picked from this week.

    I read his column somewhat masochistically, and this week I didn't splutter my coffee, but didn't feel quite right about it nonetheless (does one ever when it comes to Brooks?).

    Thanks for knowing what he cut and twisted, and for bringing it to attention.

    I really can't comprehend why the NYT keeps him on!

    I mean with his policy-based columns I can see the value in plain winding it's liberal base up, but when he writes from his so-called "everyman" status, he is nothing less than waffle.

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    We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in - some of us just go one god further
    -- Richard Dawkins

    by deafmetal on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 04:35:29 PM PDT

  •  'Brooks' is Martian for 'ulcer' (none / 1)

    On Saturn, it means 'heart attack'. I am no longer able to read his columns, lest I get outraged to the point of illness. I detest listening to him on PBS, because he is such an outrageous liar.

    Thanks for your letter; always good to keep up with their dirty tricks. I can't wait for one of my Bushie friends to forward that crap to me, so I can swat it down with some real stats.

    Why do statistics hate the Bush administration so?

    My teeth aren't white enough for DailyKos, so adios.

    by DrReason on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 05:30:28 PM PDT

  •  Wanna talk violent crime stats? (none / 0)

    The single biggest factor leading to a drop in violent crime was Roe v Wade

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