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I'm posting an online post from someone who was in NOLA

Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 08:43:12 PM PDT

I regularly post on and read a message board dedicated to a Chicago sports station, http://www.score670.com .  There was a thread about Mayor Nagin's radio interview because one of the shows had mentioned it to describe the dire situation in New Orleans.  Here is a post to this thread made a couple hours ago from someone who I know through the board (he goes by the name "Regular Reader" and is a regular poster and I trust him) who had just gotten out and was a tourist trapped there.

It is below the bump

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=14117#14117


I don't want to engage in arguments for or against Mayor Nagin. There was ineptitude enough all the way around. The NOPD served absolutely no purpose, the Superdome was a nightmare and the Morial Center was damned lucky to avoid a full blown riot by Thurs. at approx. 10 am. The La. State Police were guarding imaginary lines and putting on shows worthy of the Wehrmacht, the State Wildlife Rangers and others literally were riding around in circles with their boats on trailers all day Wed. (which really wasn't wet) and a National Guard Lt. admitted to me when they arrived at the Morial Center on Wed. at 2 pm that they didn't have the foggiest idea as to what they were to do.

I know this because I was there until late Thurs and saw this crap first hand. I saw the babies literally dying in the streets, bodies being dumped in the dumpsters outside the Morial Center, and was amazed by our finding 6-7 foot tall stacks of cases of all kinds of water, juices and pop when the bodies began to stink.

Nagin's anger was understandable because at the time in Louisiana EVERY OTHER state and most fed leaders were breaking their arms patting themselves on the back and COMPLETELY CLUELESS as to what was going on on the streets. They were happily claiming victory over a natural disaster that they percieved as the worst in Am. History --- really, some of them seemed gleeful in their "resolve"???? It was easy to show the rioters and to dismiss them as subhuman, but I was in a smaller crowd of sixty that looted the hell out of a food court, food stored in the Center and a drugstore so we could feed ourselves and get medicine. Even alot of the "clowns" were actually stealing stacks of children's clothes, food and ice and offering them to anyone who needed them. When a cop first saw me with 2 cases of water and a am-fm walkman he called me "pathethic" and dismissed me as every other looting a-hole.

I nearly exploded, but telling a jerk to go DOPE himself would not have done me or my teeth much good in the long run.

Maybe later I will write more, but right now I haven't been able to really sleep since last Sat. night/Sun. morning. I will leave you all with this, the situation was far worse than TV shows, I was a part of a group estimated to be between 7 & 30,000 at various points that the powers that weren't didn't claim to know existed even though, a) a captain in the NOPD and Sgt. in the La State Troopers first told me about it on Tues., b) that was sitting next to the HQ of a number of Guard units and NO Harbor Police, c) a place where a lot of the evacuees were taken by the assorted police forces for rescue, and d) a place that received no food or water until the media alerted the public (Thurs. at 5:30 pm). --- oh yeah, which also was in the direct original path of the "rescue" buses headed for the Superdome.

How I got stuck there is amazing, but I have one helluva bone to pick with American Airlines -- and I will leave it at that... I have personally seen too many dead bodies, had to steal and think about stealing more shit than you can imagine, and am so fucking tired that it hurts to sit here.

Please call someone to express outrage. My small group of tourists and displaced families with the most well behaved kids called no less than five national consulates and were nearly overrun in an almost riot because it a bad situation that nearly proved deadly, and were copies of dozens of similar groups, some of which may still be there.

Good night all.

I am speechless.  My prayers go out to the lost souls and those struggling to survive.

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  •  OMG (none / 1)

    something i've been wondering, doesn't the new orleans police department have a history of corruption and ineptitude??

    tikkun olam -- heal the world

    by bjeanh1 on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 08:50:53 PM PDT

    •  One of the worst in the country. (none / 1)

      •  RECOMMENDED (none / 0)

        Jesus christ.

        There are no words.

      •  They're Paid Squat. (none / 0)

        I was talking to my brother-in-law (a cop/SWAT) about this yesterday.  It's the most corrupt police force in the country.  He attributed it directly to their poor pay.

        ---
        More dangerous are the functionaries ready to believe and to act without asking questions.

        by Titian on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 06:37:14 AM PDT

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      •  However, (none / 0)

        I have also read a story of police helping people 'loot' a Walgreens for food and medicine (keeping order and passing the stuff out to the crowd), and one yesterday of a cop telling the young man who stole the school bus and used it to rescue strangers and take them to Houston, that it was fine with him if the kid hotwired it.

        I've heard all the bad stories too, and will believe the NOLA force corruption overall, but don't tar them all with the same brush.

        "Civility costs nothing and buys everything." - Mary Wortley Montagu

        by sarac on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 06:56:06 AM PDT

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      •  They're awful....when I lived there in (none / 0)

        1980-81, if I saw them speaking/dealing with anyone, especially someone African-American, I would stand as near as I could for as long as I could, just to make sure there was some sort of witness. They'd start getting all rattled and nervous, telling me to "move on," "what did I want," etc.  I know from talking on the phone over  2-3 days last week to a young man stuck at home by himself in New Orleans (he is now out, safely reunited with his parents, thankfully, who were out of town when Katrina started gathering strength)--anyway, he himself witnessed people walking up to NO police, asking where to go, and getting no answer--as in, not "I don't know," but literally no verbal response or recognition of their question at all.  I know there are many police people who worked heroically, and many who may themselves have been in shock--but WTF???

        ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

        by bibble on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 08:21:05 AM PDT

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    •  Half the force went AWOL... (none / 0)

      n/t

      Edward R. Murrow:We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

      by digital drano on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:14:54 PM PDT

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      •  I wonder How many cops were doing (none / 0)

        "private duty".Rich peoples property is always more important than poor peoples lives for cops on the take and NO is famous for cops on the take.

        Even if every Cop in NO was awol this was a Federal responsibilty from day one and they failed worse.

        http://dumpjoe.com/

        by ctkeith on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:50:45 PM PDT

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      •  they lost their homes too (4.00 / 2)

        and probably their families.  They had no food or water either.  I don't blame them for going AWOL, especially after a few days of 24/7 duty trying to keep order without any help from the National Guard or the regular military.

        Cops have lives too.

        Yes, there are still FEMINISTS on Daily Kos! Join the fabulous Supervixens every Thurs. night

        by hrh on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 04:43:41 AM PDT

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        •  Agreed (none / 1)

          We should have been there to help them - all of the people who had to endure the hurricane and its effects.  It is crazy to expect anyone not to go crazy cop or citizen after a certain point.

          It seems that hopelessness set in and everyone was upset - well that is not surprizing.

          I just saw Chris Wallace on Fox as Chertoff (or Dr. Death as I am now refering to him) ask him why he didn't know that there were people at the Convention Center even though there were numnerous reports on national television.  He said the State and Local officials didn't tell him.  

          Any reputation that New Orleans Police have for corruption or mismanagement is FAR EXCEEDED BY BUSHCO's OBVIOULY AMORAL AND CORRUPT ACTIONS THIS WEEK.  

          Those police look like angels compared to BushCo.

    •  Yes (none / 0)

      According to the Indictor blog, several have committed suicide, as well, over the last couple of days.

      James Inhofe (R - Exxon): The greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the people of Oklahoma. - Eiron

      by cookiebear on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:28:29 PM PDT

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    •  Sure, didn't you see (none / 0)

      "The Big Easy", with Dennis Quaid?

      -9.0, -8.3. History is more or less bunk.--Henry Ford
      Henry Ford is more or less bunk.--history

      by SensibleShoes on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:42:13 PM PDT

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    •  Easy, everybody, easy (4.00 / 11)

      The NOPD has a reputation.  There have been elements of corruption on that force.  As there are on any major urban police force.

      However, I have spent considerable time with NOPD officers.  I have toured projects with them.  I have shared a few beers with them.  By and large they are good people, charged with the nearly impossible task of maintaining order in a city that trades on lawlessness.  The things they have to see and do, and the risks they take, are unimaginable to most people.  And this is during "normal" times.

      There are countless NOPD cops who have made countless sacrifices in the last week.  It's not fair to tar these guys with the same brush as other more culpable officials.

      "I've waited all my life for a Republican Barack Obama. Now he shows up and he's a Democrat." - Frank Luntz

      by The Termite on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:42:22 PM PDT

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      •  asdt (none / 0)

        The things they have to see and do, and the risks they take, are unimaginable to most people.  And this is during "normal" times.

        These are "abnormal" times.  Times that test the character of many.  And from what I've been reading from different sources, the NOPD failed the character test miserably.

        By and large they are good people

        As history has shown, good people are capable of doing terrible things.  Especially when "the other people" are suffering.  

        i'm tired of these mutha f*ckin' snakes in this mutha f*ckin' White House!

        by trinityX127 on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:10:27 PM PDT

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        •  The story is not... (4.00 / 3)

          ...those that have stood ground and helped people and sacrificed.  So you're not hearing about it.

          It will take a long, long time to sort out who did what in this appalling mess of a situation.  The only thing that is clear so far is that the people who had the power to bring resources to bear did not do so.

          Sit there and read your sources.  I'm telling you that the NOPD are by and large good people, and don't deserve to be villified en masse.

          Your remark about "the other people" lays your ignorance bare.  The NOPD is hardly "the other people."  The majority of the force is black (in case that's what you meant).  Same applies for the majority of city government.  They make a living wage, but they are hardly of the tea tipping Garden District set.

          If you're hungry for someone to blame, there are some rather obvious targets.

          "I've waited all my life for a Republican Barack Obama. Now he shows up and he's a Democrat." - Frank Luntz

          by The Termite on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:36:51 PM PDT

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          •  And everyone thinks (none / 0)

            Bush is a good guy to have a beer with.  How they treated you during your interactions with them, says NOTHNG about how they treated the poor and starving and dying people in their areas.  Some of them did what they could, many of them ran away (considering the situation and the believing the feds were coming any minute, and having their own homes and families needing them, that I do not condem) but surely this situation brought out the worst of many of them. Time will tell as you say, but blanket condemnations or blanket whitewashs are not necessarily helpful.  

            Telling the truth is.  There are many stories circulating right now about  officers just sitting by (along with National Guardsmen) as people suffered and died.

      •  The nopd (none / 0)

        The same group who had HAlf the police force shooting at the other half.. because someone tried to arrest the wrong guy?

        Gee since you drink beer with them... theyre ok though. Dear god.

        I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever TJ

        by cdreid on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 02:51:51 AM PDT

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    •  Yea Let's blame the local police for this (none / 0)


      Sounds like the tired new Republican sound bites to me.  Pay no atttention to the missing Federal Response.  Pay not attention that a large majority of the local police lost families and property too.  

      Republicans : Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor

      by ctsteve on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 07:14:51 AM PDT

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  •  Wow! (none / 0)

    Thanks for posting this. Someone should compile all these firsthand accounts. (I would but I'm in the middle of a move.) Recommended!
  •  Let's hope Rehnquist (no news there) (none / 1)

    doesn't manage to divert one iota of attention to what really matters...premature and preventable deaths of thousands at the hands of gov't incompetence on an unprecedented scale.

    You can't be on the team, if you're not in the choir. Sorry.

    by peeder on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:18:36 PM PDT

  •  When I saw that clip from Fox of (none / 0)

    Jeraldo at the convention center, beside himself crying and swearing, holding a baby and imploring America and the rest of the world to look at what is going on, I almost broke into tears. I had the urge to run upstairs and pick up my sleeping 14 month old daughter and hold her tightly.

    I want to see Bush executed on TV.  I try not think or talk like this, but this man is responsible for destroying cities and directly responsible through his actions or inactions of tens of thousands of human beings, men, women and children.

    It boggles my mind and I don't have words enough to  express my outrage.

    I am calling my senators on Tuesday and demanding the Sociopath in Chief be impeached!

    ePluribus Media - Truth be told.

    by Stoy on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:35:20 PM PDT

    •  My daughter (4.00 / 5)

      was away visiting my parents since last Friday. It finally dawned on me around Thursday night that a huge chunk of my antsy type feelings were because I couldn't hug her.

      We bought stuff at Costco today before we picked her up from the airport. At home, she saw the packages of crayons and asked if they were for her. I explained that they were for the kids who lost their homes because of the big rain. She got really silent and very stiff. Her eyes went big. She asked "well, and who is going to build homes for these kids now?" I was so proud of her. We are going to go through her toys and clothes tomorrow to ship stuff to the refugees.

      •  She is 3 and a half, btw (none / 1)

        I was worried about how she would take the story of the flood.
        She also asked if the kids parents were OK and what we would send to them. I am very impressed...
      •  parental pride (none / 1)

        My (very political) 11 year old and her best friend are planning to go door-to-door, raising money for the Red Cross and Noah's Wish (an animal rescue group that works in disaster areas).  

        Next year, I'm volunteering for Noah's Wish when they have training in my area.  We get plenty of tornados around here, plenty of chances to help.

        I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

        by Leggy Starlitz on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:08:23 PM PDT

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    •  Executed on TV? (4.00 / 2)

      First time I've heard that idea and I am totally against the death penalty. However, in this case I will make an exception.
    •  The House of Reprsentatives (none / 1)

      actually bring the articles of impeachment, the Senate tries the case.

      The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

      --U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 4

      http://www.law.cornell.edu/background/impeach/impeach.htm

    •  Read it again (3.00 / 3)

      Read the damn story again!

      This guy was not dealing with Federal troops, but the fools and incompetents of the New Orleans PD, State Troopers and other local slime.

      About the only thing that turned this around was when competent Federal military leadership showed up and muscled aside the fools that call themselves elected politicians in Louisiana. About the only one of the elected officials who had a lick of sense is the Mayor who said he was over his head and was screaming for help.

      You want to be pissed at Bush, be pissed at him for not taking the whole rescue effort the day the levees broke.

      •  oh, you mean (none / 0)

        the federal troops that sat around for 5 days waiting for dear leader to give them an order?

        While the locals had to fight the death and destruction with little communication, no food or water, no command structure (destroyed), and constant assurances of "don't worry, help is here"

        FEMA was in charge of disaster relief from August 27. Not the Mayor, not the Governor, Not NOPD. FEMA. Where were they?

        Give us back the America we trust and respect!!!

        by icerat on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 04:53:27 AM PDT

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        •  A little harsh there.... (none / 0)

          The Coast Guard was there and rescuing people. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-5253778,00.html [Coast Guard Rescues 9,500 in Gulf Coast http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-5253778,00] On Friday, a force of 1,000 Guardsmen was dispatched to the New Orleans Convention Center to help evacuate thousands of people, dehydrated and near exhaustion after living in squalid conditions without regular food and water for up to five days. With reports of thugs and criminals among the thousands stranded there, commanders didn't move in until there was a sufficiently large force to take on any resistance, said Lt. Gen. Steven H. Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told a news conference that more than 100,000 people already had received humanitarian aid and the Coast Guard has rescued 9,500 people. The federal government, he said, will ``break the mold'' on emergency assistance. He said he was heading back to New Orleans to oversee the next phase of relief efforts. Now that quote above by Chertoff is pretty funny now, eh? NOT! How pathetic! Has he been fired YET??

          "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell

          by Breeze54 on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 07:08:23 AM PDT

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      •  Read it, your turn (none / 0)

        Well put.  Perhaps you need to read the story again.  And since this was a federal disaster covering three-four states and of epic proportions, maybe it's reasonable to assume that FEMA, tasked with such responsibility, bears the brunt of the responsibility.

        And perhaps you should head on down to LA to help the Feds 'troll' the floodwaters.

    •  hold that thought (none / 0)

      ...I too want to see Bush AND HIS BUDDIES excuted...or maybe even better..stripped naked and put permently into cages at Rock Creek Park Zoo..next to the big Silverback ape without a splash guard betweeb the cages so he can piss on them and where citizens can ago throw peanuts at them....

      Hypocrisy in anything may deceive the cleverest and most penetrating man, but the least wide-awake of children recognizes it....

      by Cal45 on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:29:48 PM PDT

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    •  Please don't (none / 0)

      Please don't call your Senators, since impeachment occurs in the House of Representatives it would probably be more effective for you to call your Congressman than to call your Senators.

      "You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free."-Clarence Darrow

      by cwech on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 09:57:15 PM PDT

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  •  Categorization (4.00 / 2)

    Categories for this diary:

    CategoryKatrina

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    You can make dKos more helpful by contributing to the effort to categorize diaries.  You don't have to be a great writer or researcher - you just have to remember to add the Category Name(s) from the list at the above link in a diary comment.

    For example: With so many Katrina diaries getting posted right now, many with good information may scroll off before getting noticed.   If diarists will just add "CategoryKatrina" to the comment for their tip jar it will help others still find them.  

    If you read a diary that does not have a category comment, take a moment to add one.

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    Compile Info re Help Offered-Rejected/Delayed  

    You don't have to be the author, just a volunteer willing to help.

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  •  Awesome story, thanks. (none / 0)

    And there are more there, still calling out for help as recently as 11:28 tonight!

    http://www.nola.com/weblogs/nola/

  •  SNAFU (none / 1)

    That should read "...directly responsible through his actions or inactions for the deaths of tens of thousands of human beings, men, women and children."

    And in my haste to recommend the diary I accidently unrecommended it.  Sorry!

    Super public double recommended!

    ePluribus Media - Truth be told.

    by Stoy on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:39:52 PM PDT

  •  unbelievable (none / 1)

    As if we didn't know before, now we do. People aren't worth anything to this administration. Human beings are totally worthless. Culture of life my ass.

    "Never, never, NEVER give up!" --Winston Churchill

    by rioduran on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:44:12 PM PDT

  •  The rich versus the poor (4.00 / 9)

    Our local paper carried a story about a downtown NO hotel that shut itself up and carried on like nothing bad was happening. They had water and a generating. The staff and tourists were swimming in the pool during the day and eating steak at night because the food was going bad. Security guards stood outide with guns to keep "bad people" away.

    What shocked me was their blase attitude, like there was nothing wrong going on around them and that they had no obligation to be helpful. The story contrasted scenes at the Convention Center where people tried to leave and were shooed back by National Guardsman with guns.

    Our country's hidden legacy that we try to deny was visible every hour on international TV for days. The hidden legacy that institutional racism exists, that looting by black people trying to survive should be handled by "zero tolerance", and that even the best intended social policies to help the poor and minorities have not worked due to our citizens' unremitting racism.

    •  link (none / 0)

      do you have a link to this story? sounds worthy of a diary in and of itself.
    •  I saw a blog yesterday one of them (4.00 / 2)

      wrote out.  There is a little more to the story.
      They were all stranded when the airlines stopped flying, and there were no rental cars by that time.

      After the storm, the hotel had made arrangements for 10 buses to come get them out, they'd each paid $45 to pay for the buses to come, and the buses were commandeered by somebody.  They had guards with shotguns from before the storm...who were holding off those who tried to break in.  He said they'd shot three who tried to break in.

      They were next to the Superdome or the convention center....I forget which.

      It's hard for me to put myself in that position, in some ways.  I could never have afforded to be there....when I travel, it's Motel 6 or sleep in the car for a couple of hours under a light at a busy rest stop......BUT
      If you are next door to literally thousands of people in need....how are you going to open the door?  Who is going to do triage so the ones with most need come in?  Who's going to keep the other thousands out?  Are you going to draw attention to your location and say "Yoo Hoo!  Anybody with babies or in wheelchairs can come over here!  We have food and water!"

      It sounds like I'm being snide, but I'm not.  I'm not sure how you'd go about it, once everybody outside is hungry and thirsty enough.  If you were there with your family and you saw the chaos next door, how would you protect your family AND open the door, given that you can't help ALL of them, only a few; that the weakest you'd most like to help can't get to the door; and it wouldn't be possible to say "only kids or the sick or the elderly!"   It's kind of like the old lifeboat problem in ethics ....you have room for two more in your lifeboat, but to pick them up you must paddle into a crowd of people who will all try to crawl in and will capsize the boat......what do you do?

      "'Normal' is a dryer setting. " -- Elizabeth Moon

      by revsue on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:19:58 PM PDT

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      •  Good points, but... (none / 0)

        were there thousands at their door? Or only a few miserable citizens. Could they have found a way to share some of their wealth?
        •  The miserable few at the door (none / 0)

          previously had exchanged gunfire with the guards, he said, which was why they'd been shot.

          I've have been unhappy about opening the door again.  Matter of fact, I doubt the guards would have done it.  

          "'Normal' is a dryer setting. " -- Elizabeth Moon

          by revsue on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 05:57:08 AM PDT

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  •  There are some memories (none / 1)

    that can never be wiped from the human psyche and this has to be one of them.  I can't imagine being forced into a situation where I was forced to turn into a criminal to survive.  And to see, before your very eyes, the death and destruction that no one was doing anything to stop, has to be a nightmare that will be hard to repress.  I feel so for this guy and the toll it must be taking on him.  

    We Need REGIME CHANGE

  •  American (none / 0)

    Seriously...if this guy ever posts his story about American Airlines...we need to follow it.

    Randi Rhodes yesterday was talking about how she flew back to New York from Crawford before the storm hit, and she asked her airline why no one was flying to New Orleans.  The airline responded that it didn't want to risk its equipment in the storm, so they had shut down flights into and out of the city hours in advance.

    I seriously think that quite a few airlines may have blood on their hands as well.  This is a story that we need to follow.

    •  Early on (4.00 / 4)

      Governor Blanco was visibly upset when talking about the airlines cancelling flights as early as Saturday. She was saying that many people, especially visitors who were there on vacation or business, could have gotten out on Sunday.

      "I still think politics is about who's getting screwed and who's doing the screwing." -Molly Ivins

      by hono lulu on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:50:22 PM PDT

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  •  wow (none / 0)

    this is where the blogs can truly shine really.

    yeah... it was crazy when they kept saying "100" dead.

    what idiot doesn'tt know you can't evacuate a city by saying "evacuate!"

    non-sense.

    btw people, make it 1000% political, but don't be suprised it isn't just Republicans that think poorr people should just fend for themselves, "just like the rich have to".

  •  Those who were there cannot be ignored (4.00 / 3)

    They cannot whitewash or silence the thousands who survived. These words give me hope. We will see much of this. Accountability seems almost inevitable at this point. Thank you for bringing this to us.

    "corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow" Abraham Lincoln

    by Thirsty on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 01:46:13 AM PDT

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