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A time to weep - 40,000 bodies

Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:22:56 PM PDT

People expected thousands, maybe upwards of 10,000 dead.  The mortuaries have just been told to expect 40,000 bodies.

http://www.t-g.com/story/1116806.html

"DMort is telling us to expect up to 40,000 bodies," Dan Buckner said, quoting officials with the Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team, a volunteer arm of Homeland Security.

No wonder the press is being excluded from picture taking.  How does one accurately capture the impact of 40,000 dead?

Will a Viet Nam type of memorial be needed?  

How does one commemorate 40,000 dead resulting from one single disasterous event?  I suppose the Japanese might know.

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  •  40,000 bodies plus... (4.00 / 2)

    I neglected to mention this other really sad element, in the above posting:

    The 40,000 estimate does "not include the number of disinterred remains that have been displaced from ... mausoleums," Buckner told the Times-Gazette Monday.

    The morticians may need to be there for months, perhaps up to 4 months.  

    Not even the previously dead RIP in New Orleans.  Too sad to be mad now, but I want to not forget one question.

    What were our Culture of Life advocates thinking when they neglected funding levy repairs and ensuring FEMA can actually respond to an emergency?  

    When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

    by antirove on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:31:27 PM PDT

  •  i believe 40000 is low (none / 0)

    why?  Because i don't think as many evacuated from gulf coast communities as evacuated from NO.  I don't think anybody knows how many decided to tough it out in Southern Miss. or outlying NO parishes.

    I hope I'm wrong.  

    Also, many of the bodies may have been hurricane exhumed corpses, so number of bodies found may not reflect on how many were hurricane deaths.  Its going to be a while before all of this gets sorted out.

    Main thing:  No excuses.  The govt owes us apologies.  The govt owes us an investigation.  The govt owes us some dept heads on a platter complete with apples stuffed in lying mouths.

    I'm gonna buy a gun and start a war, if you could tell me something worth fighting for.-----Coldplay

    by CO4Kerry2004 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:32:16 PM PDT

  •  The worst part is.......... (none / 0)

    that the bodies cannot be buried. They usually bury above ground in that region. That can't happen, so expect mass cremation, if not funeral pyres.
    •  Remember New Orleans (none / 0)

      Let's hope that number is wrong.  I wish I could say it was none, but unfortunately this country re-elected Bush and as a consequence people died.  I hope the number is no higher than 10,000 - even that too high, but there is nothing we can do about it.  I understand Gov. Blanco is trying to buy land for a Kartina cemetery.  I hope that is the case and at least these dead get more dignity than a mass grave.  They deserve better than that.

      We must not forget that it took Congress less than 24 hours to re-convene and Bush less than 4 hours to respond to Terri Schivo.  It certainly illustrates their priorities.  When political points can be scored with their base they will stop at nothing to pander to them.  But when it's a bunch of poor black people, well, let them fend for themselves, after all it's their own fault, right???  It's unfortunate that that thinking rules this great land of ours.  I think "Remember New Orleans" must be our battle call for 2006.  We need to make certain Americans understand completely that Democrats are far better at protecting them than the thieving Republican's are.

  •  That was on here yesterday. (none / 0)

    It's just the number Homeland Stupidity told the morgues to expect, though. And how would they know? And when has Homeland Stupidity ever been right, anyway?

    -9.0, -8.3. Socialized medicine, not "universal coverage". Public transit, not "35 mpg".

    by SensibleShoes on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:33:17 PM PDT

  •  I think it's low (none / 0)

    Go look at some of the street by street sattelite images at http://www.wlbt.com/

    Pick a town.

    Now think of your own neighborhood, if it's medium density, single family, etc.  I don't know the census data for permanent resident families along the Gulf, but you can throw in some summer home people and think there might have been +/- 1 to 2 people that did not evacuate per house.  

    Look at the pictures again.  The complete devastation - down to the foundations - goes inland for MILES.

    More than 40,000.

    "War is the calculated and condoned slaughter of human beings". Harry Patch, age 109, WWI veteran.

    by skwimmer on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:36:50 PM PDT

  •  Memorial (none / 0)

    Whoever's design gets picked for the memorial, I think it's safe to say that nobody connected with the current administration should have a say in it.
  •  And now the biological time bomb triggers: (none / 0)

    News of death from infections starts to come in.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050907/ts_afp/usweather_050907174611

    The five had been killed by vibrio vulnificus, "a bacteria that can enter somebody through a cut, a scratch or a wound," Skinner told AFP, adding the elderly or those with a fragile immune system were most at risk.

    When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

    by antirove on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:57:00 PM PDT

  •  How deep can denial go? (none / 0)

    40,000+ dead.

    'What didn't go right?'

    We're seeing bottomless denial.

    Square with the hip and hip with the square.

    by JVictor on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:00:04 PM PDT

  •  I have no opinion on what a (none / 0)

    memorial to the victims of Katrina should look like.

    But I know where it should be.

    Right next door to the Presidential Library of GWB.

    (I've just discovered that I can't read 'Presidential Library of GWB' without feeling slightly nauseated. Sorry if this has the same effect on you.)

    Freedom does not march. I saw an invasion. I see an occupation. I don't see a war. "Constant war is not a family value." Cindy Sheehan 8/22/05

    by ex republican on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:01:28 PM PDT

  •  The Dead (none / 0)

    All that money that Bush claims he's going to get for the affected areas will not help the dead who died not from the hurricane but from federal neglect.
  •  I think it is way outside (none / 0)

    my most reasonable guess is 10 to 15,000.  However, between looting, murders, and all the deaths due to neglect and incompetence in rescuing them, it could be as high as 20,000, which would be my outside estimate.
    I believe about 100,000 people are missing, and many of those will eventually turn up.

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