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"Look at what she did to Bartcop!"
"The book was my idea, not hers!"
"She hasn't done a thing to help BBV research!"
"She kicked Andy Stephenson to the curb, and then helped kill him!"
"She's a scam artist!"

Upfront, I want to speak directly to the trolls...Hey trolls!  Your days are numbered.  The truth will win, and your lies and your never-ending Bev-bashing campaign will come to an end.  My name is John Dean, from Santa Ana, California, this is my personal crusade, and I'm about to show the world what you assholes have been up to.

Bev Harris is a hero - she always was, and I'm gonna prove it.  LEARN IT!    SAY IT!    SPREAD IT!    CLICK ON THE LINKS AND SEE THE EVIDENCE WITH YOUR OWN EYES!  And when these trolls start their crap, whack-a-mole them to death with the truth, for there is still nothing more powerful than the truth, even when only a few people are shouting it at the top of their lungs.

It's time for the real Democrats at Democratic Underground and other sites to take back what is rightfully theirs.

They say she's not on our side...

BULLSHIT!

They kept asking where the Volusia tapes were...

But they never looked!

They attack anyone who even mentions Bev's name in a good way...

Our own Einsteinia under attack!

They say she helped kill Andy Stephenson...

BUT IT'S DAVID ALLEN WHO IS ACTING LIKE BEST FRIENDS WITH ANONYMOUS ARMY, THE ANDYSCAM PERSON!

Good Kossacks, I could use some help here.  A lot of people believe a lot of crap, and it hurts our cause.  Many of us know that Gore was ripped off in 2000.  Many of us know that Kerry would have won if not for election fraud.  Some might not want to admit it, but in their hearts they know that exit polls are very reliable...they know that African Americans were at a disadvantage on election day, and they know that the machines can cheat!

THE MACHINES CANNOT BE TRUSTED.

And no matter how many people they send after her...no matter how many trolls try to stir up a bunch of shit, she just keeps on truckin'.

Bev Harris is an American hero and she needs our help.  Please find your way through the fog of lies and distortions, see the truth for what it really is, and help me get the word out on this disinformation campaign that strikes at the heart of the nation we love...our right to vote, and have our votes counted.

My sincere thanks for reading and viewing the links I have provided,

John

Originally posted to Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 09:25 PM PST.

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  •  Thank you Mr. dean . (none)
    dont know if they are up to a third round , we will see . have at it . is pat around this time ?
    •  Thanks Cog! (none)
      I have no idea where Pat is - I've never emailed him or talked to him before, but I was sure happy for his assistance in my previous diary on Bev.

      Again, my sincere thanks!

      John

      -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

      by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:05:21 PM PST

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  •  You are right, she is a real hero (4.00)
    And without her work, we would not be de-certifying Diebold machines today.  She has worked and slaved, and gone without sleep, and been harassed for years now.  She has not asked for anything.  She just wants every American to have a vote that counts.  What's wrong with that?

    I'll tell you what's wrong with it.  Republicans don't want every vote to count.  Take my American Indian vote, for instance.  The Repubs would rather I didn't vote in the first place.  To them I'm an uneducated, heathenistic, poor person who doesn't deserve a vote. I deserve whatever misery life doles out to me, if you believe them.

    But living well is the best revenge.  I'm educated, smarter than the average Republican, and determined to vote in this damned republican state where I live, come hell or highwater.  Twice at the polls I was challenged by repubs and asked to leave the polling station.  I made so much misery for them by writing the editor of every paper in Indiana that they are still trying to figure out ways to shut me up.

    But back to Bev.  Bev wants my vote to count, and even wants republican votes to count.  God/Goddess/Buddah/Krishna/diety-of-your-choice bless her and give her strength to continue her valiant efforts on behalf of us all.

    I think we should send her flowers and cookies.

    Who is ready to take an ethical stand?

    by DollyLlama on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:03:04 PM PST

    •  Thanks for your comments! (none)
      I have to say that I doubt all republicans are bad...just the far right ones.  But most do seem to have a fundamental difference in their philosophies, compared to mine.

      I'm a Democrat first and foremost because I care about the poor.  More than any other issue, this is the one I care about...and I believe that our party is the one that can do the most amount of good for people who need help.

      I'm proud that you rose out of that swamp of poverty you were born into, and became what you are today!

      Thank you!

      John

      -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

      by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:14:42 PM PST

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  •  Please for God's sake delete this (2.80)
    I can't help but think you are working some sort of scam along with those trolls you call out in your diary.
    This is incindiary and uncalled for.  If Bev Harris did something good, post about it and provide links and proof.  Leave out all the calls to war and bolded controversy that no one can possibly get to the bottom of.
    I don't know what the truth is regarding Bev.  But I do know that where ever her people show up, there is a great deal of gaslighting and nonsense.  As far as I am see, you and AA are part of the same traveling circus.  
    If I am wrong then please prove me wrong by deleting this diary and posting one that brings light to Bev's most recent accomplishments if there have been some.  
    I don't think anyone cares about what is happening or happened at DU.  I think Skinner handled the whole situation the best he could.  It's over, let Andy rest in peace.
    •  I bet you didn't even check things out (none)
      "Incindiary" is what the "BASHBEV.COM" team has been doing.

      Aren't you the least bit interested in why David Allen is so nice with AnonymousArmy, aka MrNiceGuyDied aka SomthingsGotaGive, the person many people at DU say helped kill Andy?

      Doesn't it bother you that David Allen tells a lot of lies, all fully documented?

      Since you didn't take the time to look at the evidence I posted links to, I suppose it doesn't...a person in search of the truth...a person who cares about the truth, would look at the evidence.

      John

      -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

      by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:09:59 PM PST

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      •  That would be (none)
        "incendiary".....

        I AM paying attention, and I am so fucking outraged I can't see straight. Besides, TORTURE and ILLEGAL SPYING ON AMERICANS are not family values!

        by caseynm on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:19:42 PM PST

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      •  No, I don't give a shit about (3.00)
        any of that.  It's over but you insist in bringing it back up.
        Again, if Bev has made some break through , then post it.  Otherwise let all this crap die.  It damages Bev in my eyes when you continue to feed the controversy.  
        One more time.. NO I DIDN'T FOLLOW THE LINKS BECAUSE I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANY OF THAT INTERNET WAR NONSENSE.  As far as I can see you and AA could be very well working together to disrupt as many liberal web sites as possible.
        •  And my response :) (none)
          1.  A recent "BBV.org" breakthrough - one, I'm sure you're aware of.

          2.  I AM THE PERSON WHO, ALONG WITH LARISA OF RAW STORY, INVESTIGATED EXACTLY WHO AA IS.

          3.  I AM THE PERSON WHO RESEARCHED AND FOUND OUT WHO FRANK SOLICH REALLY IS.

          4.  You don't see me acting like AA's buddy like David Allen is, do you?

          Since you don't really care about all of this stuff though, move along...nothing to see here!

          As if you really care,

          John

          -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

          by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:51:30 PM PST

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          •  one more time, giving you the benefit (2.50)
            of the doubt.. the point is that none of the rest of  this nonsense should be in the original diary.  If you want to post a diary about Bev's work with BBV then do it.  Cut the rest of the crap out or as far as I am concerned you are here to disrupt this board.
            •  And you're not disrupting? (none)
              I'm here to get the truth out about a campaign of disinformation that has taken place for a long time.

              And you're here for....?

              John

              -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

              by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 11:08:55 PM PST

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            •  Inserting myself here (sorry TinPA) (none)
              I told the diarist I'd have a look at this thing. I agree with Teresa--your presentation is preposterous. If you're serious about resuscitating Bev Harris' image and elevating her ostensible "work," you can do more than post a raft of links. Tone down the ludicrous rhetoric, get over your persecution complex, and if Bev Harris is worthy of reconsideration, don't merely point this way and that, explain why--succinctly. Make your darn case. Bullet-point it. One or two choice links will do.

              As it is you present yourself like a wild-eyed propagandist. Got to say, I figured you would.

              Is nothing secular?

              by aitchdee on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 07:48:42 AM PST

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              •  LOL (none)
                Thanks for your hilarious bullshit!

                The fact that David Allen lied about who came up with the idea of a book is meaningless, right?

                The fact that David Allen was blaming Bev for the andyscam thing with false evidence doesn't bother you, right?

                The fact that David Allen and his gang of trolls have been bashing Bev without instigation for over a year doesn't bother you in the least, right?

                The fact that Andy Stephenson is tied to Tom Flocco, master dininformation artist, never let people know that he and his mate refinanced their house and received $40-50K before the donation drives had raised (supposedly only) $50K, the fact that he and David Allen set Bev up prior to her Randi Rhodes interview on 12/14/04, and the fact that he lied and lied through his teeth about all sorts of various things, doesn't bother you one damn iota, right?

                The fact that Bev Harris and the people who support her just keep working on BBV issues, clearly visible here, means nothing to you, 'eh?

                Go fuck yourself, little troll!

                John

                -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

                by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 12:52:03 PM PST

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    •  Teresa - you asked (none)
      "what have you done for me lately"....
      this and this just for starters.
      •  This I have seen (none)
        it was posted here in a perfectly rational diary about Diebold. All the rest of the sturm and drang is uncalled for on this website.  It makes Bev look bad and does nothing to rehabilitate her reputation.
        •  I beg your pardon! (none)
          Bev's reputation has been harmed by a stack of lies!  if you really cared, you'd examine the evidence.

          You come in, and instead of looking at the evidence and coming to grips with what has been going on, WHICH ANY UNBIASED PERSON WOULD DO, you immediately start bashing, making biased statements and trying to link me to AA in an attempt to play the 50/50 card.

          LINK DAVID TO AA!  He's the one acting like AA's buddy!

          LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE!

          LOOK AT IT.  COME BACK AND TELL ME WHAT IT SAYS.  You've certainly got the time.

          John

          -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

          by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 11:05:15 PM PST

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          •  like spam? (none)
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            1 (8-ounce) container sour cream
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    •  BTW I need to deconstruct this post :) (none)
      It's a damn good attempt!

      1.  "I can't help but think you are working some sort of scam along with those trolls you call out in your diary." - QUESTION HIS INTEGRITY - CHECK!

      2.  "This is incindiary and uncalled for" - I wonder if TeresaInPa has ever, ever posted this type of comment at DU, when the "BASHBEV.COM" team shows up.

      3.  "I don't know what the truth is regarding Bev." - BUT THEN SHE GOES ON TO SAY...

      4.  "But I do know that where ever her people show up..." - "her people" - shades of "I see Bev People...everywhere!"  She must be referring to the "BASHBEV.COM term known as "BevBots."

      5.  "As far as I am see, you and AA are part of the same traveling circus." - And now she tries to really make me look like a bad guy by implying I have something to do with AA, the person her buddy David Allen is buddies with.

      6.  "If I am wrong then please prove me wrong by deleting this diary..." - If she's wrong, she wants me to get rid of evidence???

      7.  "I think Skinner handled the whole situation the best he could." - WOW, one minute she doesn't know the truth about Bev, and the next minute...

      8.  This is the best one :)   "It's over, let Andy rest in peace."  The Andy sympathy card.  Just throw out the Andy card when nothing else works.

      Teresa, please go back to DU and tell your buddy David that you failed.

      John

      -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

      by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 11:29:52 PM PST

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    •  Delete diarist, too, please (none)
      Hey, Bozo.  Why did you give Teresa a "1" rating?  Her comment is more productive than your entire diary.
      •  You didn't bother to click on single link, eh? (none)
        C'mon, admit it! :)

        You just compared and apple and a moldy piece of bread, and you didn't even taste the apple.

        Right? :)

        Now why is that?

        John

        -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

        by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 12:27:12 AM PST

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        •  not interested (none)
          your fight is not my fight.  I couldn't care less about old DU biz or your "trolls" (maybe you should put the mirror down while posting?)

          Again, why'd you give Teresa a "1" rating?

          •  Why did you give her crap a 4? (none)
            And if my fight is not your fight, why are you here?

            You obviously don't give a shit about the truth.
            You obviously don't give a shit about BBV research.

            You pulled this same shit in my previous diary - you posted your crap without looking at a single piece of evidence.

            As for mirrors, you're all smoke and......clearly, you're here to disrupt just like in part 2.

            Why is that?

            John

            -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

            by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 12:42:40 AM PST

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            •  Compensation (none)
              for your troll rating.  Why did you troll rate her?

              Why are you abusing the ratings system?

              •  You came into this thread (none)
                just to rate her a 4 to compensate for my 1?  Should I change it to a 0 so your "troll rate her" comment is true?

                And why did you post so quickly in this thread???

                I don't see her anywhere!

                So the real question is...drumroll please...since my fight is not your fight....why...are...you...here???

                You're not here to examine the evidence.
                You're not here on a quest for truth.
                You're not here because you're interested in BBV.
                You haven't looked at a single piece of evidence.

                SO WHY ARE YOU HERE?  AND HERE?

                You really don't want to be on my radar screen.  I let it slide last time.  I won't let it slide next time.

                John

                -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

                by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:21:26 AM PST

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                •  is that supposed tio be a threat? (none)
                  You really don't want to be on my radar screen.  I let it slide last time.  I won't let it slide next time.

                  you might ought to choose your words more carefully, Bozo. in fact, I would recommend that you do so.

                  •  I might ought to what? (none)
                    Those words...that grammar...sure looks familiar.

                    BTW thank you for your contributions!

                    John

                    -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

                    by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 07:10:25 AM PST

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    •  TROLL (none)
      Speaking of trolls TeresainPa...
  •  Randi Rhodes fan: still waiting to hear (2.50)
    what the fuck happened to all the fucking money we donated to Bev right before Bev disappeared for a few months.  Bev is no hero in my book.  She started a great thing and bailed on it, as far as I can tell.  She never DID answer Randi's questions straight when she finally called back, and Randi gave her plenty of air-time to do so during the call-back.

    I AM paying attention, and I am so fucking outraged I can't see straight. Besides, TORTURE and ILLEGAL SPYING ON AMERICANS are not family values!

    by caseynm on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:13:09 PM PST

    •  Well why not look at the evidence! (none)
      Besides the links I've posted, there must be some reason why Randi doesn't have that part of the show that featured Bev on her site...or anywhere else, don't you think? :)

      If you have a link to that recording, I'd love to hear it.  For now, I just have to go with links like this!

      Sure, it's controversial, but when you weed out the noise from "BASHBEV.COM," it's amazing what people heard.  And as I have explained in the evidence, Bev's appearance was sabotaged before she ever called in.

      As for donations, have you bothered to take the time to ask Bev?  Have you wrote her?  Have you visited the site and asked her?  Or do you just go around saying things without finding out whether or not what you're saying is the truth?

      BTW Bev didn't disappear for months...she didn't sisappear at all.  All you had to do is go here.

      Please check those things out, and call me back when you're ready!

      John

      -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

      by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:22:23 PM PST

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      •  I know what I heard. I was listening. (none)
        Bev could NOT answer Randi's questions.  I need to find the dates of the interviews--I believe I do have them recorded.

        I AM paying attention, and I am so fucking outraged I can't see straight. Besides, TORTURE and ILLEGAL SPYING ON AMERICANS are not family values!

        by caseynm on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 11:21:27 PM PST

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        •  And don't you think... (none)
          that maybe, just maybe, she was in shock?

          She had no idea that Andy was (supposedly) unhappy, let alone quitting.

          Andy called in prior to the show and told Randi he was quiting, and also said some stuff about donations.

          Randi went after Bev, wanting to know what was up with Andy, telling Bev that Andy called in and was leaving, and Randi also started bashing Bev on donation stuff...because Andy said those things to Randi previously.

          In other words, Bev was completely unprepared for Andy's backstabbing - and yes, it was a backstabbing.

          He passed confidential financial information to David Allen.

          He went on DU and told everyone Bev owed him more than $30,000 - NOW USE YOUR BRAIN HERE...ANDY'S SALARY WAS $40,000 A YEAR, AND HE'S TELLING PEOPLE THAT BEV OWES HIM MORE THAN $30,000.

          I mean, did he keep working for 8-9 months without receiving a paycheck?  His statement was a blatant lie, and that means he was lying, and that means...

          Now I have posted proof that David Allen is a liar...about the book, about sales of the book, about his claims that Bev is always saying bad things about him, about his claim that Bev had to be behind the scamdy.com site because of some super duper secret phone number that anyone can google and find, and there is so much more if only people look at the evidence.

          LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE!

          John

          -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

          by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 11:42:47 PM PST

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        •  BTW it was 12/14/04 (none)
          If you would review the evidence, you would know this :)

          John

          -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

          by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 11:44:11 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Then why were you feigning ignorance? (none)
            I'm done.

            I AM paying attention, and I am so fucking outraged I can't see straight. Besides, TORTURE and ILLEGAL SPYING ON AMERICANS are not family values!

            by caseynm on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 11:56:35 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  It's not a matter of feigning ignorance (none)
              It's a matter of how I play my cards!

              And I have a lot of cards.

              Did you check out the evidence?

              John

              -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

              by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 12:04:54 AM PST

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  •  I wish I could troll rate diaries. (none)
    GODDAMMIT!

    I AM paying attention, and I am so fucking outraged I can't see straight. Besides, TORTURE and ILLEGAL SPYING ON AMERICANS are not family values!

    by caseynm on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:22:28 PM PST

    •  Casey (none)
      Instead of urging me on to troll rate you for your absurd comments, whu don't you just ask me what's troubling you.

      You tell me what you believe, and I'll show you evidence to see if it's true or not.  Since you are a concerned Randi fan, Start here - read points 1-9.

      And don't forget to read the link I posted up above for you!

      Then come back and tell me what bothers you.

      John

      -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

      by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:35:14 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Pickled Herring Canapes (1.80)
    One of the layers in this delicious salad is lightly pickled sweet-and-sour cucumbers, a favorite throughout Denmark. They do need to marinate overnight, so make sure you start this recipe a day ahead of time.

    Cucumbers
    3/4 cup apple cider vinegar
    3/4 cup water
    1/3 cup sugar
    2 teaspoons pickling spice
    1 teaspoon salt
    1 large hothouse cucumber, cut into 1/8-inch-thick rounds
    Salad
    1 pound Granny Smith apples, peeled, cored, coarsely chopped
    1 1/2 cups chopped red onion
    1 cup sour cream
    1/4 cup chopped fresh dill

    1 1/4 cups sliced trimmed radishes
    2 6-ounce jars spiced cut herring, drained, each piece halved

    Boston lettuce leaves
    Fresh dill sprigs (optional)

    ----------------
    For cucumbers:
    Mix vinegar, water, sugar, pickling spice and salt in heavy medium saucepan; bring to boil, stirring until sugar and salt dissolve. Cool to room temperature. Place cucumbers in large glass bowl. Pour marinade over cucumbers. Cover; refrigerate overnight.
    For salad: Mix apples, red onion, sour cream and chopped dill in large bowl. Season to taste with salt and pepper.

    Using slotted spoon, remove cucumbers from marinade. Arrange half of cucumbers in bottom of 8 x 8 x 2-inch glass dish. Arrange half of radishes atop cucumbers. Spoon half of apple mixture over radishes. Arrange herring evenly atop apple mixture. Spoon remaining apple mixture over herring. Cover with remaining cucumbers, then radishes. Cover and chill salad 3 hours.

    Arrange lettuce leaves on platter. Spoon salad onto leaves. Garnish with dill sprigs, if desired, and serve.

    Serves 8.

    The revolution is ongoing.

    by The Gryffin on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:34:16 PM PST

    •  Well look at that! :) (none)
      Someone who has made a grand total of one diary at Kos actually knows a recipe!

      Gryffin, I bet you didn't take the time to look at the evidence and determine the truth, now did ya?

      John

      -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

      by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 10:37:05 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Hi Smash! Noticed the 4 rating! (none)
      I just love it when people who haven't been around, and have never posted a diary, just happen to come in to my parlor and "do something" :)

      1) A bad band from the mid-90s? [none / 1] Replies: 2
      posted by smash on 12/30/2005 10:16:39 PDT
      attached to Welcome to the Lilly White Liberal Watering Hole

      2) I'm a token colored. [4.00 / 2] Replies: 1
      posted by smash on 12/30/2005 10:10:51 PDT
      attached to Welcome to the Lilly White Liberal Watering Hole

      3) In fact, [none / 0] Replies: 1
      posted by smash on 12/29/2005 23:09:22 PDT
      attached to Motherfuck a War- Rap Version

      -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

      by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 12:11:49 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  The problem with Bev Harris (none)
    is that the story's allways about Bev Harris, and not unauditable voting systems.

    In december of 2002 I approached the Wisconsin State Elections Board with concerns about the use of unauditable systems, alleging not Republican Plot, but a simple desire to get the contracts first as the motivation for the sale of flawed systems, relying on the pioneering work of Dr. Rebecca Mercuri for technical analysis. This led the Board to unanimously decertify the existing systems in April, 2003, the first State to take this action.

    Fortunately, we'd moved before Bev had introduced the Republican plot narrative to the debate, so the Republican members of the Board were not all defensive. The burden of proof was still on the manufacturers to prove their systems propely designed, not on "fraudsters" to prove a Diebold conspiracy. O'dells 'I can deliver Ohio" was bait, and Bev swallowed it, with the hook.

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    by ben masel on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 11:29:51 PM PST

    •  This is nothing but an opinion (none)
      Did you take your concerns up with Bev?

      Also, I need a little more evidence here to make the jump from "I approached the Wisconsin State Elections Board with concerns about the use of unauditable systems" to "This led the Board to unanimously decertify the existing systems in April, 2003, the first State to take this action."

      BTW are you a Democrat?  A Green?  Can you honestly compete with only $1.00 donations?  If not, what's the point?

      Also, how was the board split...# of Dems, # of Repubs?  And don't you think Republican members of the Board might have a very good reason for being on the defensive?

      And finally, isn't it a great thing that "BBV.org" with Bev and Harri Hursti leading the way, proved that Diebold's can easily be used to cheat, without any audit trail?

      Thanks!

      John

      -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

      by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Jan 02, 2006 at 11:51:14 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  One at a time.... (none)
        Did you take your concerns up with Bev?
        Emailed the BBV site in April '03, Oct. '03, no response. Found it odd they were not into posting news of the first in the country decertification vote. But then, Bev had played no role, and the Republican votes to decertify undercut her narrative.

        Also, I need a little more evidence here to make the jump from "I approached the Wisconsin State Elections Board with concerns about the use of unauditable systems" to "This led the Board to unanimously decertify the existing systems in April, 2003, the first State to take this action."
        You'll have to take my word for it, or not. I was less interested in getting credit than in decertifying, so there's no official footprints. (I suppose I could put you in touch with the Board member I initially persuaded, but I'm not posting his contact info here. Convince me it'll be productive and I'll do it via e-mail.)

         BTW are you a Democrat?  A Green?  Can you honestly compete with only $1.00 donations?  If not, what's the point?
        Dem. Challenging Herb Kohl in the primary. For the rest see my comments in this diary.

         Also, how was the board split...# of Dems, # of Repubs?  
        4 Dems, 4 Republicans, 1 Libertarian. The LP got a seat by virtue of Ed Thompson's 10% showing in the '02 Governor race. It was the Libertarian designee, Adam Dick, who I first approached, and the decertification resolution was his first action on the Elections Board.

        And don't you think Republican members of the Board might have a very good reason for being on the defensive?
        No. The decertification was not controversial, to the point the reporters covering the Board meeting didn't mention it in their coverage, which focused on a ballot access signature dispute. This was accomplished before Bev had mucked up the environment with her "Republican plot" narrative.

         And finally, isn't it a great thing that "BBV.org" with Bev and Harri Hursti leading the way, proved that Diebold's can easily be used to cheat, without any audit trail?

        You're still missing the point. The burden's on the manufacturers to prove their systems are auditable.

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        by ben masel on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 12:15:07 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Thanks Ben, for responding (none)
          I need to get to bed, and I'll respond in full to your entire post tomorrow.

          However, I need to say this now....

          If you would run a WHO IS on Bev's site, blackboxvoting.org, you'd see that the first WHOIS entry is dated 11/03.

          The site that you emailed in April and October 2003 was David Allen's site.

          It doesn't surprise me one bit that you never got a response.  Please examine the evidence I have posted, and take your anger out on him.

          John
           

          -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

          by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 12:37:11 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Had Bev's name all over it, (none)
            and she was touting it in other media. that she later had a falling out with her partner is irrelevent.

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            by ben masel on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 12:54:18 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  We can go round and round and round (none)
              but I really need to get to bed.

              Your emails went to David Allen, not Bev Harris.  It was his site.

              Yet you're saying that the fact that your email went to David, and not to her, is irrelevant? AM I HEARING THIS CORRECTLY???

              You're the one who injected this into my diary bud - it is totally relevant if it caused you to think something that was not true.  My purpose in life this very moment is to help you see that what you believed WAS NOT TRUE!

              And truth is what matters, right?  It mattered enough to come in here and post, right?

              And you're checking out the links now to get to the bottom of things, right?

              Good night :)

              John

              -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

              by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:07:14 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  If Blackboxvoting.com wasn't her site (none)
                at that time, why id she later claim it had been stolen from her?

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                Madison, WI 53703

                by ben masel on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 07:11:18 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Where did she claim that? (none)
                  You made the charge.

                  Post your link!

                  John

                  -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

                  by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 07:18:45 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  After some googling (none)
                    it seems I am incorrect on that point.

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                    by ben masel on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 09:24:56 AM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Well perhaps... (none)
                      you're incorrect on some other points as well.

                      Please review the evidence so that your opinions are based on fact, instead of the disinfofictional crap that "BASHBEV.COM"
                      has intentionally made people believe.

                      Deal?

                      John

                      -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

                      by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:15:03 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  The error there (none)
                        was all mine, mis-recalling her own statements, not rehashing a 3d party bash.

                        My thoughts above on the strategic questions, are likewise my own.

                        A Senator YOU can afford
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                        1214 E. Mifflin St.
                        Madison, WI 53703

                        by ben masel on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 05:46:01 PM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Perhaps this error was all yours too? (none)
                          Where do I send that $1 again?

                          BTW I searched all over the internets but couldn't find a single piece of evidence that you have anything to do with BBV research, or anything to do with accomplishments that have grown out of BBV research.

                          Just thought I'd FYI ya :)

                          John

                          -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

                          by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 09:17:57 PM PST

                          [ Parent ]

                    •  Ms. Harris did make the statement (none)
                      but later purged it from her site. This is a routine practice of Ms. Harris who has purged her claim that George Bush ordered her book as well.

                      If you wish to get a good background on Ms. Harris, let me know and I will pass along a number of useful links and set Mr. Dean frothing at the mouth anew.

            •  Some one pointed out that John was lying yet again (none)
              to someone unaware of the story, thus forcing me to come over and correct the lie.

              bbv.com was affiliated with Ms. Harris until the Spring of 2004 when she decided to begin smearing me. I set up both sites but retained control of the .com site despite Bev's threats of legal action. As she had no leg to stand on, it was a hollow threat.

              Ms. Harris was notorious for not answering mail and phone calls. Email to BevHarris@blackboxvoting.com went to Bev not me. When she left I forwarded all email sent to that account to her account BevHarris@blackboxvoting.org. I have no idea if the mail box is still in use today.

              If you wish to compare my bona fides against Mr. Dean's claims then drop Dr. Mecuri a line and ask her about my work in NC and her testimony before the NC Select Committee I served on.

              Ask her for her opinion of Bev.

              BlackBoxVoting.com is still active, though mostly focused on NC these days.

              •  THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH (none)
                As any good Kossack knows, there's a war on the internets for truth.  Let's see how David Allen, self-proclaimed man of honor and integrity, deals with my search for it...

                1.  David, On 5/12/05 in post #26 here, THREE DAYS PRIOR to Frank Solich's posting of Bev's interview email, you publicly accused Bev Harris of being behind Andy's (supposed) harassment by stating the following:

                "This was the work of ONE person. A vindictive, lying, spiteful and incredibly vicious person...she CAN'T stand that someone she set out to destroy is supported so publicly."

                David, what evidence did you have at the time to support your public claim that Bev Harris had something to do with the attacks against Andy Stephenson?

                2.  David, In this OP that you started on 6/4/05, you accused Bev Harris of being behind the scamdy.com site.  You stated the following:

                "Some clown, (J'Accuse, Bev Harris!) has registered or had a stooge register the domain scamdy.com...The registration info...uses a phone number I only give to my artists and writers. Of all the people who would know that number, only Bev knew the number had a connection to Andy and "scamdy"."

                The phone number at the time per a WHOIS was 336-454-0098.  Interestingly, a Google search of that number reveals nothing.

                Equally interesting is that this Google search reveals that, contrary to what you publicly proclaimed at DU, you used the number 454-0098 with an 888 prefix, not for artists and writers, but for collecting donations on the phone.

                David, since it's now clear that you were incorrect in your public statement that "it was Bev," why haven't you publicly apologized?

                Wouldn't a self-proclaimed man of honor and integrity apologize for being so terribly, terribly wrong?

                3.  David, you ask us to compare your bonafides.  Yet it's clear by looking at this article that you believe that "rigging elections is too hard."

                In light of Bev Harris and Harri Hursti's recent breakthrough that proves beyong the shadow of any doubt that elections can be easily rigged via memory cards, do you still believe, David Allen, self-proclaimed BBV crime fighter, that "rigging elections is too hard?"

                And can you provide a link to where you have you publicly thanked Bev Harris for her role in bringing this amazing development to light?

                4.  David, speaking of links, you're well known for constantly posting that Bev Harris lies, slanders and harrases you.

                David, can you post a link to a single incident in the entire year of 2005 where Bev Harris publicly lied, slandered, or harassed you?

                And finally...

                5.  David, on 4/3/04 in your very first public statement after the split between you and Bev Harris became public knowledge, you proclaimed to the world that Bev's BBV book was your idea!

                However, in an interview that you gave three months prior, that was not published online until months after the split, you stated "She said she had approached a few publishers...

                In light of this evidence that did not exist at the time you proclaimed the book was your idea, do you now agree that the book was Bev's idea, provent by your own statement, or do you want people to continue to believe that the book was your idea?

                All of us at Daily Kos appreciate your response!

                John

                -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

                by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 09:12:35 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

          •  same here , time to crash (none)
            on the w.c.. every once in a while people like you must tear,iritata ,agitate & fester at the fringes of the political spectrum , just to pull/draw it back towards the  " center " & some semblance of the deocratic republics order  .   peace  .
    •  It is "always about bev" (none)
      because the topic draws many who need to divert any BBV thread to personal attacks, and unproductive piefighting.
      •  Agreed! (none)
        These people come in, hijack threads with their Bev bashing, then leave.  They seldom if ever post in threads about BBV research and election fraud, unless Bev's name is mentioned in a positive way...

        and then, here they come!!!!!!

        It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on.

        Sincere thanks for your post!

        John

        -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

        by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:11:26 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  it doesn't take a rocket scientist (none)
          to wonder why you're peddling those links like they're The Holy Grail, either. Are the IP fish biting, Bozo?
          •  The IP fish? (none)
            WTF does that mean lol

            I donate to BBV research...

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            And you?

            I donate to Kos...

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            And you?

            I donate to Raw Story...

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            And you?

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            And you?

            I donate to Bradblog...

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            And you?

            I donate to Common Ground Common Sense...

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            And you?

            I donated to Andy Stephenson!!!

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            And more Raw Story...

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            And you?

            I could go on and on, but we both know who is the knight in shining armor searching for truth, and who is nothing but a piece of pondscum, imploding and outing himself before our very eyes.

            I see a blip!

            John

            -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

            by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 01:31:57 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  Now then (none)
    Who has clicked on the links and examined the evidence?

    John

    -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

    by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 12:13:12 AM PST

    •  no body gives a shit (none)
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      •  "No body" gives a hoot about evidence? (none)
        About truth?
        About a coordinated campaign to harass BBV research?
        About why David Allen acts like best friends with AA?
        About why Andy made up things?
        About why you are trolling in this diary?

        YOU WILL NOT STOP ME.

        John

        -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

        by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 07:43:21 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Nope (none)
    More important things to do that argue with an insane person.
    •  Poor David (none)
      Unable to answer questions about all the lies he spreads, all he can do is struggle like a fish out of water.

      John

      -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

      by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 06:49:13 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

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