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Today In the Dems weekly radio address Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., said  "Under Republican guidance, America has truly been put up for sale to the highest bidder,"  ... "Sadly, the legacy of Republican rule has been the fundamental degradation of our democratic institutions and the abandonment of our core principles," Slaughter said.

I'm glad to see the Dems getting some notion of what they need to do. They still seriously lack any clue about framing themselves as leaders.

Take their bizarre theme: "Together, America can do better."

If I understand the slogan, they are open to the possibility of improving things once we get everyone working together. Like that's going to happen. So maybe America can do better. But not with watery politicians spouting focus-grouped slogans.

A theme with kick (not the best possible I'm sure, but for illustration): "Let's Get America Back." There's a theme you can riff on. Get the rule of law back. Get our guns back home from around the world. Get back our lead in education, scientific research, industry, freedoms, privacy, free assembly...

And this says the Democrats are personally inviting you to participate in improving the nation. If they get a slim majority or a mandate, doesn't matter. They'll still work hard for, and with, ordinary people. It echos the calls Roosevelt and JFK made for  people to get active in doing good.

Maybe my suggested theme is no good, but their's is just achingly dull and weak. And there should be a contest or something to get decent slogans for the Democrats.

Much more important, of course, is that the Dems come up with a specific (and easily stated) plan for making things happened, a plan based not on opinion polls, nor what Republicans might say about them, nor their career interests, but from what the country really needs. This would be worth a whole galaxy of spin.

[This poll is, well, I just can't resist thinking up absurd polling questions.]

Originally posted to Jim P on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 08:03 PM PST.

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15%21 votes
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  •  It's an awful theme (and why) (none)
    It sounds far too close to "Let's Get America Back" -- as in get even, settle the score, hit back.

    Now, if you're going for confrontational, just spell it out like the polls do:

    "Either you're with the Republic -- or with the Republicans."

    Case in point the latest legitimate poll on the use of illegal wiretaps on American citizens.

    If you're Republican, you're 33% for warrants.
    If you're one of the 2/3rds majority of Americans, you're 68% for warrants.

    Says all sorts of things about who stands for the Republic, and those things for which it stands -- and who does not.

    Never let being humane get in the way of being human. And vice-versa.

    by cskendrick on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 08:03:01 PM PST

    •  I don't know that I'm convinced (none)
      mine is so horrible, but you could be completely right.

      My topic is rank quality of the current Dem theme, and their need to have a reality-driven plan, one that would lead naturally to leader-type statements.

      I was hoping to stimulate people to offer alternate themes, with more ummmph than what they are using, but still expressing the same intent. "America will do better"--- whatever does it in a lively punchy style.

      Yours was good for a confrontational slogan. But I wasn't really going for confrontational, just illustrating how a clever slogan would have a lot of applications. If I wanted fighting words I'd try  "Stop these sneaking, cold-hearted, lying crackpots from surrendering our freedoms to the terrorists, and wrecking our future."

      •  I'll tell you what I don't like about theirs (none)
        It sounds too much like what Kerry was using on the campaign trail, "We can do better." So it sounds stale, like it's just a continuation of Kerry's campaign, which gives it that stench of failure before things even get under way.
      •  You're getting some good talk going (none)
        I'd like to take American back...so maybe I should take another look at it. :)

        Never let being humane get in the way of being human. And vice-versa.

        by cskendrick on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 09:14:55 PM PST

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    •  Or, conversely (none)
      If you're for democracy, you're for the Democrats
      Or, Keep America a democracy; vote Democratic
  •  IT'S THE FUCKING SYSTEM!!! (none)
    I have watched this same game for three decades, back and forth. And "the people" are always on the losing end. This historical pendalium has given me vertigo.

    Open systems are freqently capable of change and resist entropy. They can be said to practice creative self-destruction. open systems which is what we certainly haven't had in a long time, are neglected until the system breaks-down or discentagrates. Trying to change a system (like our political system) by changing its content is called First Order Change. In this case, people try to change what an individual element does, try to reorganize a specific organization, or change the people who work for an organization. These types of change alter only the look of the system, not its actual behavior. It is called "rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic." However you arrange the chairs, the ship will still sink.

    Homeostasis is an unconscious process by which systems seek to maintain the status quote. All elements within the system interact to keep the system from changing. Any effort toward system change will result in homeostatic responses from within the system to block the change.Which is what I feel is the left/right Bush/Kerry us/them black/white repub/dem binary logic. Most system change strategies tend to fail because they do not address the interactions within the system. When a change effort fails, (which it has again and again)the most common response is to try the same (or the same type) of strategy again.A forever feed-back loop that stagnates and falls anyway.

    To understand a system, study its content, to change a system study its context. I feel what the good intentions of the progresives and open minded people here at KOS and elsewhere seem to get caught up in is study of content and not it's context. How long must we play this lessor of two evils game? After the 06 elections people are still going to be saying "when we get back in power". Like they have done for thirty years. By the slim chance the dems do get back in power, WHAT THE FUCK WILL THEY INHERENT AFTER BUSH. I mean really?

    •  Really? (none)
      You mean with out all the nicey dreams and stuff.
      Incalculable debt, potential disease turned plague, continuing environmental collapse towards first global warming which will probably flip over to the edge of a long term ice age, a country which has been steadily eroded in terms of intelligence and learning by over zealous religious and political leaders, and the a large portion of the world wondering WTF we're going to do next.
      How's that?
      Oh yes, and one thing to pull us through every single bit of it, and to make certain safeguards are in place to keep it from happening ever again as much as we can.
      Or consciousness. The only tool we ever needed.
      Gift, curse, and responsibility all rolled into one.

      Foolish Republicans, now we can spy on your little plans with impunity! Muahahaha!

      by RElland on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 09:37:15 PM PST

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    •  Now there's a meme we can go with... (none)
      "IT'S THE FUCKING SYSTEM, stupid!"
  •  Addendum: (4.00)
    Keep saying to yourselves, "help is on the way."
  •  We need a Luntz... (4.00)
    ...who has not sold his soul to Satan.

    Someone to dump the wordiness.

     "Under Republican guidance, America has truly been put up for sale to the highest bidder..."  

    Good start. But tighten it: Republican American is for sale to the highests bidder.

    ... "Sadly, the legacy of Republican rule has been the fundamental degradation of our democratic institutions and the abandonment of our core principles,"

    Uh...is there a sale on big words? And give me concrete images, like: "*Today, America tortures. And Bush says laws don't matter--he does what he wants. The laws are for sale anyway. They might as well be on Ebay. In 5 short years, what have we become? What does our flag stand for? Is this how America ends, not with a battle, but sinking into a sanctimonious cesspool of Republican corruption?"

    •  That's what I'm getting too (none)
      The language they use is dead. This is so basic. This is communication 101. I keep thinking whatever the Dems are paying their pollsters/advisors, the Republicans have to be paying them double. What else explains what we see.

      Although it doesn't apply to all Truths, there are some basic social truths that can be said clearly and concisely. Everything they say leaves you feeling like there's a heavy passive object sitting in the room, rather than a swirl of energy and possibilities in the air.

    •  I am that man.... (4.00)
      For general theme:
      * I am my brother's keeper
      It covers everything we are about.

      Other memes

      • Republicans: We can't afford them anymore
      • No Berlin wall on the American border.

      "What luck for rulers that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler

      by Bensdad on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 08:49:21 PM PST

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      •  The winner so far (none)
        "Republicans: We can't afford them anymore"

        That's one with a hundred Can't Affords you can itemize: their running our military into the ground; their plundering the treasury; writing the laws to payback their friends; indulge their fantasies; attack the Middle Class; lose more cities; ship more jobs overseas;

        This is the kind of thing I knew was out there in the reality-based community.

      •  I think (none)
        Both of your secondary memes are really bad, because they both point to the idea that we are one people and nation with Mexico which I think most Americans would fundamentally reject.

        The Berlin wall divided a nation with hundreds of years old traditions, government, language and cultural ties.  There really is no analog to those ties with Mexico & the US.

        Secondly, even amoung Democrats there is going to be an anti-illegal immigrant backlash.  Most Americans do believe there is a negative impact from millions of illegal immigrants coming across the border each year.  And that type of sentiment will be reflected (and has started to be) in the representatives sent to Congress.

        •  OK, but you got them for free! (none)
          ...and I would add that it occurred to me, while I was listening to Randi Rhodes talk about these walls the other day on Air America, that they are being sold to keep people out. However, they can also be used to keep people in.

          They are literally poised to pour GABILLIONS into building these things, while they won't build one little levee around New Orleans (price tag, a few billion).

          I think Democrats need to focus on linking the levee and the walls.

          "What luck for rulers that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler

          by Bensdad on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 09:15:11 PM PST

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          •  ok! (none)
            However, they can also be used to keep people in.
            Well, only the poor.  It can keep the poor in or out, but realistically, it can't keep Americans in.

            Second, about spending, it's just a matter of political will.

            Say what you will about Bush and his construction plan or lack of plan around New Orleans, but the fact is that when we have the political will shit gets built.  When we don't, it waffles, it takes decades, etc.

      •  this one's my favorite in this diary (none)
        Republicans: We can't afford them anymore.
    •  Don't need a luntz, you got a Dean.... (none)
      Dean has some of the best one-liners around.

      ....... take our country back!

      If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R even if it has a D after its name.

      by dkmich on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 02:49:51 AM PST

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    •  Or take a leaf from Star Wars... (none)
      "My allegiance is to the Republic, not the Empire."
  •  Your wrong (none)
    The theme is good because it cuts against Republican weaknesses, devisiness and failure to "care about people like me". Your theme says nothing about Republican weaknesses and politics is all about maximizing your strengths and your opponents weaknesses.
    •  There's merit in what you say (none)
      I was offering something just as a point of departure. Their's might be better than mine, but if so, then it's both that suck. Feel free to take a crack at stating a theme that's better than the Dems or mine. The more the better.
  •  Since the first time I heard this (none)
    it always reminds me of the Beattles lyric:
    I've got to admit it's getting better,
    A little better all the time (can't get no worse)

    which in its way was far less trivial. When the Dem party labors so mightily and brings forth this tired bromide, people will rightly ask: can you really?

  •  I went and read old newspapers (4.00)
    I spent some time on Lexis this evening (as the Patriots beat up on Jacksonville) to read old New York Times articles focusing on the 1994 midterm elections.  And that reading confirmed to me a suspicion I have had of the whole 'framing' issue: it doesn't really matter at all.  The vast majority of poll respondents back then had no idea what the "Contract with America" even was - all they knew is that Congress got nothing done and so they were angry and were going to take incumbents out (remember that same anti-incumbent anger fueled Perot's presidential challenge too so it's not even as though the anti-incumbancy anger arose all of a sudden in 1994).  I don't think framing is the answer to the Democrats' communication problem - I think in fact that it is the root of the problem!  Too many of our candidates are looking for that perfect frame, that perfect phrase to win an election around.  I don't think that's how it works - our candidates' problems is that they listen to so many consultants that they come off as sounding phony.  Searching for the right frame makes them sound even more phony.  

    I wish everyone would quit worshipping the false idol of the Perfect Frame.  Instead we should encourage our candidates to speak their hearts - they're Democrats after all!  Democratic hearts bleed for the America our forefathers promised to us, we shouldn't forget that.

    Give me liberty, or give me death!

    by salsa0000 on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 08:21:11 PM PST

    •  Damn forgot one major thing (4.00)
      The other major problem to our communications problem is, of course, that we really do lack a single plan around which all Democrats can rally around to deal with Iraq.  If we would all just get behind one plan (as of today I am a recent convert to Congressman Murtha's plan) then we would be able to speak with one voice.  Now intellectual cohesion has never been any liberal movement's forte ever in the history of ideas...but if someone as gung-ho as John Murtha can be convinced of his idea then I think other Democrats shouldn't have a problem.

      Give me liberty, or give me death!

      by salsa0000 on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 08:24:33 PM PST

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      •  I've given you "4"s (none)
        because you've made excellent points. Not sure I agree 100% with them, but they are something to think about.
      •  That's exactly it (none)
        When you can't pin down the leadership on an opinion about anything you are simply fucked.

        It's beyond belief that the powers that be can't get together and come up with a plan.  

        People are begging for leadership!  Begging for it!  

      •  Best to (none)
        Upgrade liberalism for the 21st century. We have lots of problems like NSA spying on Americans, broke copyright/patent laws, and bribery in Congress. 1960's liberalism is the source of the problem. Time to enter the new century.

        A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

        by Tux on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 02:37:58 AM PST

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    •  I don't count myself (none)
      as one who gives worth to the idol of framing. It's part of the mix like anything else. Like it or not, a voter's choice is hugely affected by their impression of someone.

      Kerry seemed wishy-washy and contrived. A typical Democratic failure, as you rightly point out, is that they rely on framing as a primary consideration, rather than their own conscience and caring.

      This points to a dreadful fact: too many Dems in office aren't really motivated by anything particularly wholesome, and not really the public good. Good framing will automatically flow from a principled, coherent, adult-like stance about the omni-directional disaster that is Republican Rule.

      •  Yes - Principles before frames (none)
        I actually went ahead and read Lakoff's Don't Think of an Elephant the other day.

        One point he drives home is that before you can frame something, you have to be really clear on your identity, your principles, and your policy directions. And Lakoff points out that the Repubs have been honing their frames for 30 - 40 years.

        So tell me, how does "We can do better" reflect the identity of the Democratic party? Unfortunately, I think interpretation #1 more accurately defines the Democrats of today. Even interpretation #2 stinks.

        1. "We can do [perhaps a little] better [maybe?]"
        2. "We can do [sooooo much] better"

        My proposal: Fitzgerald said "truth is not just a component of our judicial system, the truth is the ENGINE of our judicial system."

        I say ours should be "justice, and the rule of law, are not just components of our Democracy, justice is the ENGINE of our Democracy." It needs work, but that's where I'm at right now.

         

        •  30 - 40 years! (none)
          That's key. When the message gets there real principles flow through frames etc with ease.

          How does "We can do better" reflect the identity of the Democratic party?

          I hear: I can do better with Democrats because justice is the ENGINE of our Democracy.

          But I come pre-framed. I know Democrats are all about justice.

          the Wolf Brigade appears to be more of a public relations ploy

          by hhex65 on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 02:02:38 AM PST

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  •  Simple, to the Point (4.00)

    Various suggestions, just brainstorming:

    Democrats - True Blue Americans.

    True. Blue. You.

    Democrats - YOUR Representation.

    Democrats - We The People

    Not For Sale At Any Price

    Never let being humane get in the way of being human. And vice-versa.

    by cskendrick on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 08:25:41 PM PST

  •  *If they really want to hit home with Christians* (none)
    They should hammer the theme "Jesus threw the moneychangers from the temple. Will his followers?"
  •  Democratic Theme (none)
    Democrats: The party that waits until the mission is accomplished before declaring: "Mission Accomplished."
  •  I hate that theme. (4.00)
    We can do better than extremely corrupt psychopathic powermongering? I should think so! It sounds weak and wimpy. Why aren't they more angry?

    I live in Boston. When the Boston Globe broke the story about the sexual abuse in the local Catholic churches, the former cardinal, Bernard Law, had to respond. I am a parent. Any parent with normal emotions knows instantly how they would feel if they found out that a trusted authority was abusing their child. A normal parent would be furious and practically homicidal toward the abuser AND a normal parent would feel guilty and wrack his/her brains to try to figure out why he/she had not seen what was going on.

    Bernard Law had a reaction to the sexual abuse scandal that was very odd. To me, his reaction always seemed inauthentic and lacking something--the genuine outrage that a truly compassionate and moral person would feel. It seemed to me that he basically had to manufacture his outrage because, as it turned out, he knew what was going on and worked very hard to hide the problem. (This became clear as the story unfolded.)

    What is the relationship between Bernard Law's reaction to the sexual abuse scandal and the Democrats' theme, you may be asking? Well, I can't figure out if the Dems are so removed from reality  that they don't even realize that, at this point,  after all that has happened, they should be absolutely indignant and practically spitting, they should be so angry.

    Bush considers the American people to be his enemy. That is why he is spying on us.

    by lecsmith on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 08:36:58 PM PST

    •  Precisely (none)
      You got the whole essence of it. If it were my kid, first I'd get quickly furious, and Lord have mercy if the criminal was in my reach.

      The Dems, seeing Republitics damaging ALL of our kids for, lo! all generations to come, are afraid to sound angry!?!!  What they hell do I need them for, then?

      Sometimes I think things would be a lot better if only Congress-critters were required to take an oath to defend the Constitution....

  •  Become a leader and you will lead. (4.00)
    We ALL need to do a little homework, become leaders in our home towns, be leaders in our schools, in our neighborhoods. Together we can become the change we seek.

    It's not just memes, and the right message, that's just marketing. When we lead, they will follow.  Passion an give you the drive, but it can also drive you off a cliff.  By that I mean, we should not follow an ideology, but seek to become leaders, through training, self-help, seminars, speech classes, mentoring.  The Democratic Party needs to support it's base, help people rise to the top in their own communities.

  •  The frame is this: Tell the people (none)
    what the f**K the Republicans are doing to them. Don't mince words. Spell it out clearly. The frame is the truth.

    Bush considers the American people to be his enemy. That is why he is spying on us.

    by lecsmith on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 08:38:58 PM PST

    •  the problem (none)
      is that it remains to be seen if Americans will vote for the confrontational truth.

      If you get in the face of a lot of Americans with concepts like, say, gay marriage/legal equality they will tell you point blank, no, it's wrong.

      And they won't budge on it.

      Maybe you don't know anyone like that, or maybe you don't think you do, but there are millions of people.

      "Fuck Iraq, those people bombed us and they gotta go." - They don't care if it's true or not!

      I think truth is the right tactic, but just be prepared to recognize that it may or may not work.

      •  Although I support gay marriage, (none)
        I am not thinking about gay marriage at the moment. I am thinking about fascism and the murder of democracy and the middle class.

        Bush considers the American people to be his enemy. That is why he is spying on us.

        by lecsmith on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 07:23:46 AM PST

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    •  And say it (none)
      again and again. As many times as it takes.

      it tastes like burning...

      by eastvan on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 10:22:11 PM PST

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  •  You are so right! It is *not* a marketing (none)
    problem! It is a problem of piracy! These radical Republicans are systematically concentrating power, eliminating all opposition to their personal plans, stealing from the current and future generations of the American people, all the while WRECKING the country economically, physically, environmentally, culturally, scientifically, and every other way they can. (Can anyone name one good thing that they have done? I can't.)

    Bush considers the American people to be his enemy. That is why he is spying on us.

    by lecsmith on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 08:43:28 PM PST

  •  How about this: (none)
    "Dems! win or lose you still pay us!"
  •  I've got a slogan: (none)
    "Up against the wall, coporatist robber barons!"

    Accountability moment, my ass!

    by orthogonal on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 09:11:05 PM PST

  •  The language that's alive is in the Constitution, (none)
    starting with "We the People...". We need to associate Democrats with the beautiful words of the  Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln and then...FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton starting with FDR's Social Security, Kennedy and Johnson's salvation of this country from segregation, Carter's impeccable world  standing on human rights, and finally asking the question, are you better off since Bill Clinton left office?

    "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." Why are we not running that FDR sound bite in an ad slamming illegal spying? We need to be up-front and proud about the last seventy years of Democratic history, and loud about our love for the true America, the one resting on the rock of the Constitution of the United States of America.

    Child abuse, terrorism, greed, pollution, discrimination, war, rape and the nuclear brink. Disrespect is the problem. Respect is the vision that we need to see.

    by respectisthecentralissue on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 09:13:17 PM PST

  •  How about John Edwards' theme (none)
    "One America" ... has a nice kick to it.

    Jack Murtha is no coward--here's a real coward.

    by Christian Dem in NC on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 09:49:42 PM PST

  •  Ludacris pens Dem theme? (none)
    He adds, "The motivation comes from how you feel good when you do good."

    the Wolf Brigade appears to be more of a public relations ploy

    by hhex65 on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 10:22:32 PM PST

  •  Quick point... (4.00)
    One of the biggest misconceptions about framing, themes, and all that jazz is kind of playing out in the replies. The major theme is supposed to be broad and imply many things (not state something directly). A lot of the suggestions for themes are what you do to buttress your theme. It's kind of like a pyramid. Republican culture of corruption (a Dem coined phrase that has caught on, though few in the lefty blogosphere seem to have noticed it or credited the Dems for being very much on message there from Dean to the Congressional Dems to state parties, even before I went on vacation) is under "America can do better." Under GOP culture of corruption, are how the corruption hurts the average American voter.  How it affects voters in a specific district are under that.

    The whole thing about strategists and pollsters.  The lefty blogosphere gives the right's pollsters and strategists way too much credit. It's hilarious when (aside from the astroturfing and flat out lying) both sides use the same political communication techniques (I know this because several have either graduated or taught political polling and messaging courses at my college and GOP profs inspired Dem students, vice-versa... Luntz actually inspired a Dem pollster to become a pollster... it's in the latest alumni mag). It's easier to find when the right uses it, because we're always looking for it.  The Dems biggest communication problems hasn't been not knowing political communication techniques (e.g. framing). It's been the better-at-governance-than-campaigning nature of many Dem pols (which can't always be fixed) and that the Dems can't seem to get on the same page. If you can't get on the same page, it doesn't matter what the theme is or what the arguments buttressing the theme are. It's just not going to work.

    Visit my blog Penndit. Media, politics, campaigns, and political communications.

    by Newsie8200 on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 10:33:05 PM PST

    •  I look at "framing" (none)
      as technical short-hand. It refers to building the parameters of discussion. If you start the discussion with a comment on farming, nobody's going to respond with today's basketball score, unless they can tie it into farming. And if someone did bring it up, it'd look like they were trying to change the topic.

      So that's framing. As magical incantations, it's nonsense. As short-hand for how debates are delimited, it's a description.

      Now, as to what's being framed? There the Dems fall down too often and, as you say, just imitate the Republicans. Although not as nasty. They don't seem to get that everything is at stake, and a certain air and aura of "we are not going to let the Republicans continue to ruin America".

      The sad part is, Republican framing has been consistently based on lies, but it doesn't matter to them because their goal is to dominate the conversation by whatever means. Democrats framing could be based on an honest disgust over what's being done to our nation and the world. Or it could be based on any number of actually useful-to-average-Americans plans. I have little faith they'll catch on in time.

      •  better transmission mechanics (none)
        For example, who even listens to the radio addresses?

        Perversely, your comment (intelligent though it be) affirms the frame: "Dems are weak."

        the Wolf Brigade appears to be more of a public relations ploy

        by hhex65 on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 12:00:17 AM PST

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  •  How about this as our theme ... (none)
    "We Can Make America Work Again"
  •  DNC, DSCC, DCCC ... Media & (none)
    Communications People --

    How many of them are there? How much money do they get paid individually and get paid collectively?

    WHY ARE THE PAID AT ALL?

    Their performance, ya know, their daily / weekly / monthly messages ,

    suck.

    If they are scared, if they can't do it,  if ... whatever, they are incompetent.

    Now, for the weak knee nice Dems out there, to say these people are incompetent does NOT mean they don't work hard, they don't sacrifice, they don't care about saving the world, blah blah blah ... it just means they can't do the job they were hired to do - make messages to beat fascists.

    IF they don't want to do it cuz they'll lose their cushy DC lifestyles, they are corrupt.

    Now, for you weak knee nice Dems out there - I know the standard of corruption as set by milken, neil bush, ken lay and delay is beyond the aspirations or abilities of ANY Dems, however, just cuz you ain't as crooked as kenny boy don't mean you ain't corrupted.

    this fall I'll get to vote for Maria - I've finally found something to do after 5 years - CantDoMuch cuz the wash dems are paralyzed by the fear of the nutcases who the thugs will put up,

    ugh.

    this party sucks - too bad the thugs are fascists.

    rmm.

    Grassroots Organizing Should Be for The Community, By The Community - NOT for "Leaders" http://www.liemail.com/BambooGrassroots.html

    by rmdSeaBos on Sat Jan 07, 2006 at 11:46:10 PM PST

  •  How about (none)
    "Please let me win one, please?"

    Next: horses appointed to the senate!

    by Bob Love on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 01:48:33 AM PST

  •  Or maybe "Remember - (none)
    - walkin' in the sand."

    Next: horses appointed to the senate!

    by Bob Love on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 01:52:16 AM PST

  •  depends on who says it (none)
    coming from Dean, it sounds like a call to action for all americans.  Coming from some other democrats who shall remain namesless it either sounds like a plea or completly phony. Message matters, but messanger matters more.
  •  Maybe (none)
    Just forgetting about all of the empty, meaningless Madison Avenue sound-bytes?  Maybe just tell the truth ... and take honest and principled stands ... and just get on with it?

    It is difficult to get the right answers if you don't ask the right questions!

    by wgard on Sun Jan 08, 2006 at 03:02:47 AM PST

  •  Some inside dope (none)
    A large number of democratic staffers/operatives and writers agrees that "Together, We can do better" is a dog slogan, and instead has been pushing a different "unofficial" slogan of the Democratic Party:

    "Enough is enough."

    This is a chance for "leadership from below" - pushing the national party to change from a dead horse to a live one in midstream. You will note that using "TWCDB" is no longer mandated, simply because it came across as "These Wusses Can't Do Better".

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