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These guys just don't get it.

I caught a few minutes of the Today show this morning and Carville and Begala were on trying to make money on a new book talking about how the Democrats need a spine transplant.

HELLO?!?!?!

That was what Dean was trying to do three frickin' years ago you morons!!!

Katie Couric said, "You guys can write books as much as you want but till the Dems actually do something, what's the point?"

Begala was like, "That's why we're here!"

And he went on to say that the Dems need to work on grassroots!!!  HELLOOOOO!?!?!?!?!  THAT'S WHAT DEAN SAID LIKE THREE FRICKIN' YEARS AGO.

And then after Begala mentioned grassroots again, Katie ask the bullet, "Is Howard Dean the guy to do this?"

Begala shot back with "Well, he's building the grassroo-" but then was interrupted by CARVILLE who said "The party chairman really doesn't have anything to do with this, we're talking about something else over here!"

What frickin' morons.  

This all boils down to they just want to write books and make money and they are just spouting what Dean has preached since day one.  They want Hillary to be president so they can be back in with the big dogs.

DEAN WAS RIGHT AND STILL IS RIGHT.

Originally posted to MemphisBryan on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:45 AM PST.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Remember who he sleeps with. (4.00)
    As my grampa used to tell me, "if you lay down with the dogs, you'll get fleas."
    •  I know. (none)
      I don't think I could stand to be in her presence for five minutes.  Just shows that neither of them are really authentic.  It's just a business for them.  Neither really cares about anything else.
    •  Carville is fatally compromised. (none)
      Everything he knows must be assumed to be going straight to the Republican war room. And it doesn't matter whether or not he knows about it; one has to assume that his house, office, cell phone, and mail are wide open. About the only thing he's good for is for others in the party leadership to deliberately leak disinformation.

      Again, this has nothing to do with Carville's own personal honesty or ethics, but as an operative he is a security risk of such an extent that he cannot be trusted.

  •  If it's the truth, I don't care who says it (4.00)
    I don't give a rats ass about Dean.  He's done a good job, but he's a useful tool towards ends I consider important.  If someone else (Carville, Begala) starts advocating for changes I care about, they too are a useful too.

    But I have no personal loyalty to any of them.

    Anything's possible with Commander Cuckoo Bananas in charge. -Homer J. Simpson

    by Cheez Whiz on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:49:00 AM PST

    •  They Are Just Selling Books (4.00)
      They don't give two shakes about growing spines.

      They only want your dollars.

      Wake up.

      Do you honestly believe that Hillary will make any changes?  Jesus.

      "Change is one thing, progress is another." - Bertrand Russell

      by MemphisBryan on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:53:08 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  You got that right. (none)
        But I wonder who's going to buy their pathetic book.  I used to like these guys but they've done nothing but cozy up to Repugs themselves since Clinton has been out of office. I've bought Carville's books in the past, but no more.
    •  For Me... (4.00)
      ...I stick with the guy who is HONEST...and CONSISTENT.  That's Dean.  Character does matter.  Dean and Feingold--true Patriots.
    •  saying something and doing it (none)
      are two different things.  Remember "Compassionate conservatism"?  This is not much different.  Carville is expousing "DLC grassroots"... it's an oxymoron. If you think James Carville has any intention of giving up big corporate dollars you really need to think again.  
      If he is sincere then it has everything to do with joining in and helping those already active in grassroots democracy.
  •  my take (none)
    I always have liked Begala,Carville however is an idiot but yet by being one he knows how they think, and thus how to reach that segment so he contines to be annoying yet useful.
    •  I feel the same way about Begala (none)
      He seems affable enough and he did try to offer some support to Dean before Carville jumped on his ass.

      But I really feel that Carville is only wanting to be in with the power people again.

      "Change is one thing, progress is another." - Bertrand Russell

      by MemphisBryan on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:58:36 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Howard Dean has nothing to do (none)
    with it?  Please James, youy and your DLC buddies are the ones who really have nothing to do with it.
    Building grassroots started in 2003 and you spent all kinds of time and effort to stop the trend, including spouting nonsense about Dean on your crappy TV show.

    I used to say "find your inner Carville", Now I understand it was all about you and your gravy train all along. Start embracing DFA and Dean's efforts with the DNC, show up at a few fund raisers and ask Dean how you can help HIM and US (those of us who are years ahead of you) or go back to your K street buddies and become a lobbiest for big oil or something.

  •  Carville and Begalla (3.50)
    Ran the only two successful Democratic campaigns for President in 30 years.  Dean, on the other hand, lost.  In the primaries.  And Carville was saying the things Dean is saying more than ten years ago ... when he was the ONLY one saying them.

    There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured with what is right with America. -- Bill Clinton

    by ThirstyGator on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:59:11 AM PST

  •  Uhh (4.00)
    Carville was talking about spine implants back in 1992.

    It's the Economy, stupid.

    STop thinking of the world as Dean versus everybody else, and start thinking about a Party.

    (0.00,-3.13) "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."

    by Steve4Clark on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:59:28 AM PST

  •  Did you notice the name of his book (none)
    is Take It Back.

    I was so disgusted with him and Begala after they trashed Dean through the campaign, and now trying to make money selling a book using all of the same ideas.  And when Katie Couric asked if he thought that the dems could be successful with Dean as the chairman, he leans back, frowns and said "it doesn't matter who the chairman is"

  •  Mr. Mary Matalin (none)
    Has great grounds to talk about spine. Not.
  •  i seem to (none)
    remember begala bragging about dreier of california giving football tickets to begala and his sons last year. i have not cared for him since then.
  •  Carville is out for Carville (4.00)
    make no mistake about that. But the man is no dummy. He's a shrewd operator and always has his finger in the wind. If he's talking grassroots/netroots power, then it's a good bet that grassroots power is poised to take off.The trick, then, is to keep the grassroots power in the hands of the real grassroots, and not let shills and operators like Carville take the reigns.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:36:29 AM PST

  •  carville had a spine but he traded it in for (none)
    money and access. sound familiar?
  •  carville (none)

    carville is a type that just doesnt cut it anymore in the neocon environment.

    maybe he never did--but certainly not anymore

    I haven't lost faith because the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice--MLK

    by AmericanHope on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 09:25:21 AM PST

  •  HIllary clearly HAS NO SPINE (none)
  •  Saw their book last night (none)
    Considered buying it. But then I said, "Fuck it!"

    These guys had their chance to be part of the solution instead of the problem two years ago. Instead, they are like the old sixties rock band trying to make a comeback by doing covers of grunge hits from the 80s.

    It's a shame really. Carville and Begala are great strategists who have been ruined by their success. They now have an over-inflated sense of their own self-importance that blinds them both from their own failings and from the good ideas that are coming from other quarters.

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