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Bush wants to create the new criminal of "disruptor" who can be jailed for the crime of "disruptive behavior." A "little-noticed provision" in the latest version of the Patriot Act will empower Secret Service to charge protesters with a new crime of "disrupting major events including political conventions and the Olympics." Secret Service would also be empowered to charge persons with "breaching security" and to charge for "entering a restricted area" which is "where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting." In short, be sure to stay in those wired, fenced containments or free speech zones.

Who is the "disruptor"? Bush Team history tells us the disruptor is an American citizen with the audacity to attend Bush events wearing a T-shirt that criticizes Bush; or a member of civil rights, environmental, anti-war or counter-recruiting groups who protest Bush policies; or a person who invades Bush's bubble by criticizing his policies.  A disruptor is also a person who interferes in someone else's activity, such as interrupting Bush when he is speaking at a press conference or during an interview.

What are the parameters of the crime of "disruptive behavior"?  The dictionary defines "disruptive" as "characterized by unrest or disorder or insubordination."   The American Medical Association defines disruptive behavior as a "style of interaction" with people that interferes with patient care, and can include behavior such as "foul language; rude, loud or offensive comments; and intimidation of patients and family members."

What are the rules of engagement for "disruptors"?   Some Bush Team history of their treatment of disruptors provide some clues on how this administration will treat disruptors in the future.

(1)  People perceived as disruptors may be preemptively ejected from events before engaging in any disruptive conduct.

In the beginning of this war against disruptors, Americans were ejected from taxpayer funded events where Bush was speaking. At first the events were campaign rallies during the election, and then the disruptor ejectment policy was expanded to include Bush's post election campaign-style events on public policy issues on his agenda, such as informing the public on medicare reform and the like. If people drove to the event in a car with a bumper sticker that criticized Bush's policies or wore T-shirts with similar criticism, they were disruptors who could be ejected from the taxpayer event even before they engaged in any disruptive behavior. White House press secretary McClellan defended such ejectments as a proper preemptive strike against persons who may disrupt an event: "If we think people are coming to the event to disrupt it, obviously, they're going to be asked to leave."

(2) Bush Team may check its vast array of databanks to cull out those persons who it deems having "disruptor" potential and then blacklist those persons from events.

The White House even has a list of persons it deems could be "disruptive" to an eventand then blacklists those persons from attending taxpayer funded events where Bush speaks. Sounds like Bush not only has the power to unilaterally designate people as "enemy combatants" in the global "war on terror," but to unilaterally designate Americans as "disruptive" in the domestic war against free speech.

(3) The use of surveillance, monitoring and legal actions against disruptors.

Bush's war against disruptors was then elevated to surveillance, monitoring, and legal actions against disruptor organizations. The FBI conducts political surveillance and obtains intelligence filed in its database on Bush administration critics , such as civil rights groups (e.g., ACLU), antiwar protest groups (e.g., United for Peace and Justice) and environmental groups (e.g., Greenpeace).

This surveillance of American citizens exercising their constitutional rights has been done under the pretext of counterterrorism activities surrounding protests of the Iraq war and the Republican National Convention. The FBI maintains it does not have the intent to monitor political activities and that its surveillance and intelligence gathering is "intended to prevent disruptive and criminal activity at demonstrations, not to quell free speech."

Surveillance of potential disruptors then graduated to legal actions as a preemptive strike against potential disruptive behavior at public events. In addition to monitoring and surveillance of legal groups and legal activities, the FBI issued subpoenas for members to appear before grand juries based on the FBI's "intent" to prevent "disruptive convention protests."  The Justice Dept. opened a criminal investigation and subpoenaed records of Internet messages posted by Bush`s critics.  And, the Justice Dept. even indicted Greenpeace for a protest that was so lame the federal judge threw out the case.

So now the Patriot Act, which was argued before enactment as a measure to fight foreign terrorists, is being amended to make clear that it also applies to American citizens who have the audacity to disrupt President Bush wherever his bubble may travel. If this provision is enacted into law, then Bush will have a law upon which to expand the type of people who constitute disruptors and the type of activities that constitute disruptive activities. And, then throw them all in jail.
Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse

Originally posted to Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 06:27 PM PST.

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  •  This strikes me.... (4.00)
    ....as being blatantly Unconstitutional, though that isn't something that really bothers Bush very much.
    •  Yes (3.91)
      But so is eavesdropping without warrants, torture, and a whole host of yet undisclosed things this administration is doing.  It doesn't matter; the Constitution is utterly irrelevant under a dictatorship.
      •  Exactly... (4.00)
        I have been wondering if they would try to do this. Classifying Green Peace as terrorists was my hint...
      •  Why the Constitution is Irrelevent (3.97)
        Perception is reality.  And ignorance is bliss.  This country is no longer guided by the Constitution because of the confluence of two factors.  The media, now corporate owned and controlled, has abdicated its position as seeker and distributor of the truth in favor of maintenance of a status quo that accomplishes nothing except the enrichment their bank accounts.  Just as perversely, the American public has abandoned its civic duty of remaining informed about, and actively participating in the political process.  In fact, the public has sunk even lower than this: they freely choose to willingly be ignorant, and through sheer intellectual laziness have decided that reality-based thinking requires too much effort, and instead turn to faith-based "reasoning" and subjugate themselves to the "authority" of those that "know better" than they do.  The media churns out its loud, bright, and shiny propoganda on a 24/7 basis, and this perception becomes reality when no further effort is then made by anyone to seek any knowledge independently.  The republicans literally are "creating reality", because they are creating and controlling what we see and hear.  And the american public just sits cowering in our bubbles of denial and pray "please, please don't take away my SUV."
        •  Wow (4.00)
          A more astute, succinct, and dead-on diagnosis of our pathetic state has probably never been delivered.
          •  GREAT Analysis... (4.00)
            I left my own statement on another diary about the pathetic Biden and Feinstein hinting that Alito will be confirmed without a fight from our invertebrate Democrats in the Senate.

            WE need to take our country back - it sure as hell isn't going to be anybody who we elected.

            "A CONSERVATIVE is a man who is too cowardly to fight and too fat to run." --Elbert Hubbard

            by Rico on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 09:03:52 PM PST

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            •  Study hall (4.00)
              Are there any history students in the house?

              http://en.wikipedia.org/... .

              We're all in this together.

              by JTML on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 11:13:28 PM PST

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            •  Rico, yes, Biden and Feinstein are assholes. (none)
              I think I overuse that word but in their cases, it fits really well.  Feinstein totally disgusts me.  She and Lieberman, two fellow Jews, should know better than to let fascist pigs like Bush and Cheney to have carte blanche on anything.  Biden has so much potential and always lets us down...always.  He's an absolute disgrace.

              I wonder if anyone will ask Alito about Bush trying to bring back laws against sedition?  Leahy, seems to be giving up too, as this morning he is trying to plant ideas in Alito's head for after he is confirmed.

              Don't these idiots see what is happening?  Can't they see our rights being stripped away?  Is there job that important to them that they would risk NOTHING to fight these pigs and save America?  We can't fight them because by the time it gets to us, it's law and if we fight it we'll be criminals.

              I have said this over and over again, if the Democrats can stop nothing, then why bother to go vote for them?  Let them know that if they lay back and continue to be the ass wipes they are, that all of them will loose in 2006 because we won't show up.  We can all join the Republican Party and side with the moderates there.  Remaining as Democrats, obviously is doing us know good.

              When I read what the diarist wrote, I was shocked.  This is by far the most important diary I have ever read on the DailyKos.  If that protestor provision is not struck down, it's all over...well maybe not all over but it is terrible!

              Allowing the scumbags of the Administration, people who would put that no protesting provision into the Patriot Act, to have unobstructed Supreme Ct. nominations like Alito, a man who WILL make abortion criminal, is something that will be the END of the Democratic Party as we know it.

              For those of you who are too young to have seen what a horrible thing it was for young women to be forced to have illegal abortions it is something that has to be a call to arms.  Not only will abortions become illegal in many states but it will embolden the fucking right wing lunatics who blow up abortion clinics in states where it would be legal.

              The news media makes light of it but many of those baby boomers are forgetting what it was like.  I don't think it's GE Corp Policy.  It's ratings and being able to ask for more money. I don't think Disney and GE are telling Matthews, Russert and Imus what to say.  These arrogant talking heads want to beat out Fox News and steal some of their right wing viewers and in doing so they befriend putrid scum like Ralph Reed, Dick Cheney  (nobody was more of an ass wipe with Cheney than Tim Russert) and Rick Santorum, respectively (from the previous sentence),

              I forgot who the diarist was but again this is the most important diary I've ever seen, even moreso than my Social Security diaries!  Let's do something.  Let's call our Senators and tell them we'll sleep through election day if they don't wake the hell up!!!!!

              •  Joining the GOP is not the answer (none)
                Lets not forget who the ones are taking away our rights, its not the democrats.

                Before we join the GOP, lets try taking over the democratic party.

                •  Haven't we tried? (none)
                  Let's see what they do with Alito.  If there is no filibuster and another Conde Rice show, where people like Biden vote for Alito, then I say it's time to abandondon the ones who are beating us into the ground.

                  If they let the Patriot Act go through with the ability to imprison protestors, than anyone who stays with the Democratic Party is a fool.

                  Don't we have to tell them that?  Don't they have to know.  Or maybe we should have another Kerry debacle where so many on here were to afraid to criticize Kerry to get him back on track.

                  I have had it with the Democratic Party even though I think of myself as a typical Democrat.  They better fight for us, or we will not be there for them.  I won't!  We need to tell them that.

                  •  Do or do not, there is no try... (4.00)
                    No, we haven't tried yet.  We haven't ALL shown up a the local Democratic Party meeting.  We haven't ALL run for precinct committee officer or local county or district chair.

                    When ALL of us have done this, plus joined our local DFA chapter, plus joined our local PDA chapter, plus started our own group outside of any existing box, and it still doesn't work, then we can say that we've tried.

                    Until then, we keep pushing, and we do it.

                    Chad Lupkes
                    Seattle, Washington
                    46th LD Democrats of Washington - At Large & Website Manager
                    Democracy for Washington - Executive Director
                    Progressive Democratic Caucuses of Washington - Founder
                    Democracy for Wall Street - Because politics and economics both need activism.

                    Chad Lupkes chadlupkes@earthlink.net http://www.democracyforwashington.com

                    by chadlupkes on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 12:44:52 PM PST

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                    •  What's PDA? (none)
                      For the record, I went to my second county Dem meeting yesterday and am going tonight to help them with election analysis. Going to DFA in NJ whenever their next meeting is. I'm so ready to start the takeover.
                      •  PDA - Progressive Democrats of America (none)
                        This is the group that formed out of the Kucinich campaign at the Boston Convention.  DFA is herding domestic cats.  PDA is herding wildcats.

                        Chad Lupkes chadlupkes@earthlink.net http://www.democracyforwashington.com

                        by chadlupkes on Mon Jan 16, 2006 at 12:35:44 PM PST

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                    •  Good point (4.00)
                      and thanks for the Yoda quote.

                      "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." -Mohandas Gandhi

                      by Bulldawg on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 01:27:02 PM PST

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          •  Welcome to Germany - 1930's (4.00)
            God save us all.
          •  No way (none)
            But thanks!!  Save the whales!! Ha Ha
        •  Holy fucking shit. (4.00)
          Now that was good.

          Do you mind if I use that?

        •  I whole-heartedly agree, (4.00)
          That was a most excellent treatise on the situation we are facing.
        •  Superb analysis, Progressive Liberaltarian! (4.00)
          You are oh so right, but for better or for worse (depending I guess on one's current point of view), with the recent statement of the Chinese about "moving away from dollars", energy price realities soon catching up, spiking interest rates, the housing buble, other countries rapidly losing confidence in the U.S. re trade/budget deficits, etc. many people who at the moment consider themselves middle class, will shortly not be able to afford either an SUV or the fuel to run it, so that is when people will likely (perhaps too late) finally begin to come out of their Walmart/reality T.V./junk food induced comas and smell the coffee (if they can still afford it).
          •  I'm afraid you're right, (none)
            grizzly, and I'm afraid we literally might be in for a French Revolution redux.

            Know any good cake recipes? Cuz if George has his way, we'll all be eatin' it soon enough.

            We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor -The Declaration of Independence

            by occams hatchet on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 01:01:54 AM PST

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            •  Stock up on firewood, prepare to hunt for food (none)
              I am being somewhat sarcastic, but I do wonder...what if? What if our economy falls apart? What if the bird flu hits here? Will we have enough warning (we, here at dkos) to get out of the way? I think we have a MUCH better chance than those who are willfully uninformed, humming loudly with their fingers in their ears.  I know if I told family and friends that a economic collapse or pandemic was coming, most of them would laugh and say I was just being a Democrat who disliked Bush.  There is nothing I can do for them.  But my family - I pay attention. And buy bottled water and cans of corn. Just in case.

              Republicans to Americans: "Are there no prisons?...And the Union workhouses?...Are they still in operation?"

              by adigal on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 05:47:22 AM PST

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              •  Connect the dots (none)
                Back in the '80s, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the boys were conducting secret government exercises in undisclosed underground locations.  The object was continuity of government in the event of a state of emergency and the imposition of martial law.  FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Act, was authored by none other than a committee chaired by Oliver North.  It contains provisions for mass roundups and detentions of civilians, among other things.  

                The bungling Duhbya is just a patsy, a figure to blame when the carefully orchestrated and meticulously planned for national emergency strikes.  

                The PATRIOT Act is just the icing on the cake, as it were.  

                Emergency --> martial law + criminalization of dissent + high technology = Nazis look like schoolboy tinkerers compared to what we will face.  

                In every stage of these Oppressions...: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury." DoI, TJ

                by ChuckLin on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 05:31:53 PM PST

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        •  "We're an empire now," (4.00)
          "and when we act, we create our own reality."

          Without a Doubt, Ron Suskind

          Those of you who haven't should give it a read.

          The disdainful smirks and grimaces that many viewers were surprised to see in the first presidential debate are familiar expressions to those in the administration or in Congress who have simply asked the president to explain his positions. Since 9/11, those requests have grown scarce; Bush's intolerance of doubters has, if anything, increased, and few dare to question him now. A writ of infallibility - a premise beneath the powerful Bushian certainty that has, in many ways, moved mountains - is not just for public consumption: it has guided the inner life of the White House. As [Christine] Whitman told me on the day in May 2003 that she announced her resignation as administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency: "In meetings, I'd ask if there were any facts to support our case. And for that, I was accused of disloyalty!" (Whitman, whose faith in Bush has since been renewed, denies making these remarks and is now a leader of the president's re-election effort in New Jersey.)

          -7.00,-7.74 No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. -- Edward R Murrow

          by subtropolis on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 11:59:18 PM PST

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        •  Very interesting name, Liberaltarian (none)
          A very auspicious first comment.

          Are these links useful in understanding where you come from?

          http://www.liberaltarian.us/

          http://www.locustfork.net/...

          Dailykos.com; an oasis of truth. -1.75 -7.23

          by Shockwave on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 01:52:14 AM PST

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          •  I'll have to check these out (4.00)
            I've never seen these sites before, but I will now.  I kind of made up the name to try to describe my political orientation which is a mix of liberal, libertarian, and progressive.  I thought the word liberaltarian was funny and unique, but like all things, someone invented it first!!  Thanks for the links.  I think I'm going to go back to the political compass and figure out my coordinates again, and add them to my signataure.  I remember when I took it I ended up somewhere between Mandela and Ghandi (I think).  And thanks everyone else for their nice comments!  I went to bed early last night (imagine this: I have been somewhat disheartened lately by the state of our country) and just saw them this morning.  Peace.
            •  I've been floating "Liberaltarian" (4.00)
              in Montana on my radio show.  I get a lot of libertarians calling in and sometimes we agree, so then I say we have hit a liberaltarian point.  Where are you from?  What region?  I have also started using  PIPS i.e. Progressive Independent Populist Social ite.  Progressive in approach to things i.e. challenging the status quo.  But fiscally very conservative i.e. lean, mean gov't to stop abuse of corporate power. Using Populist rhetorical style.  "Reining in the Right and Rotating the Crop".  And recovering the word "social" from socialist".  Our country was built on Ice Cream Socials and Barn Raisings more than the myth of the "rugged individualitst"  i.e. selfish bastard.  

              "Loyalty to your country always. Loyalty to your government when they deserve it." Mark Twain

              by MontanaMaven on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 08:51:13 AM PST

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              •  I'm tardy (none)
                Sorry it took me so long to get back to you - crazy day.  I'm from Cleveland, Ohio.  O the shame of being from the state that handed the election to the Evil One.  One of the defining characteristics that separates republicans and democrats (for the most part) is that republicans pine away for the "good old days" of the past, while democrats tend to yearn for the future of their dreams.  That is why I consider myself progressive - as opposition to regressive.  I think it is fascinating that you do a radio show.  Anyway, thanks for the interest and insight!!
        •  Mien Kamph (none)
          Was the book written by Hitler wherein he told the world exactly what he was going to do. Nothing has changed since then because everyone has been told by this administration what it is going to do. Remember this!

          The Bush Cult:

          "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality"

          By Chris Floyd

          10/22/04 "Moscow Times" -- Now we come at last to the heart of darkness. Now we know, from their own words, that the Bush Regime is a cult -- a cult whose god is Power, whose adherents believe that they alone control reality, that indeed they create the world anew with each act of their iron will. And the goal of this will -- undergirded by the cult's supreme virtues of war, fury and blind faith -- is likewise openly declared: "Empire."

          Nothing has changed. They tell you what they are going to do and no one believes or remembers what was said. So if you don't agree with this reality which they created visit the other reality they created and took from them so that they could never use it to create this "Empire".

          Freedom is Choice. Use it or lose it.

          •  Also watch "Downfall" (none)
            The Oscar nominated film about the last days of Hilter.  Clearly it was a cult of personality and not a movement or ideology.  Hitler is openly contemptuous of the German people in his final hours.  His vision is what is important.  No reality.  Frau Goebbels is especially chilling in not wanting her children to live in a world without National Socialism.

            "Loyalty to your country always. Loyalty to your government when they deserve it." Mark Twain

            by MontanaMaven on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 08:57:59 AM PST

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            •  That's a film (none)
              I've been looking for at the library in our area. Saw the previews and it looked very good. PBS also had a special about a year of so ago on the cult aspect of Hitler. I never knew what they called it since I missed the start of it by about 2 minutes but it was extremely well done.

              Anybody know what the PBS episode was called?

          •  its called (none)
            Mein Kampf
        •  Absolutely correct (none)
          And once peak oil hits, they're going to lose their SUVs too.

          The problem is that America is a bunch of morons.

          How do you cure stupidity?

          ???

          The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits. - Albert Einstein

          by racerx on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 06:51:37 AM PST

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          •  fix the school system, for one thing (none)
            free the media from monopolies, for another.

            How?  Without political power, can that be done? Nope.

            It's going to take a cruel dose of financial loss to wake people up.  To whom shall they turn? Unions?  Oops.  The Dems?  Not really.

            I agree with the point upthread.  Things are going to get explosive.

          •  "The difference between (none)
            genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits!"  From a pin I bought back in the 80's when I was in college.

            "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." -Mohandas Gandhi

            by Bulldawg on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 01:33:35 PM PST

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        •  The only thing I would add is (4.00)
          that this is not a new state of affairs.  As an older poster on Dkos I would like to bring a bit of historical perspective.  The media situation you describe has been fully in place from...oh I'd say about the late 80's......about the time I quit paying any serious attention to corporate media.

          I also highly recommend the movie "Good Night and Good Luck" for some additional perspective on this issue.  The speech given by the Fred Marrow character at his retirement recognition chilled me to the bone.  When he refers to what will happen to "our posterity" he is referring to us now.  He was prophetic.  Thoughtful people have known what would happen with TV for a long time.

          My father always hated TV and forbade my siblings and me from watching when we were growing up in the 50's and 60's.  It took me a long time to understand just why, but I am glad now that he did.  

          We are in a staggeringly difficult situation but it is vitally important that people realize it as a starting point.

          Geonomist - Charge for privileges; abolish taxes on production.

          by Geonomist on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 07:25:03 AM PST

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        •  Worse than that......... (none)
          Ignorance is now something that a lot of our fellow citizens wear as a badge of honor.  The proudly proclaim their ignorance!
    •  what about bush is constitutional? (4.00)
      the way he came into power? Nope
      the war? Nope
      wiretapping w/o warrants? Nope
      no habeas corpus? Nope

      There's not much that is constitutional about Bush. I guess the one nice thing I can say about him is he's not rounding up us Jews and sticking us in camps.

    •  Let's ask Alito if it is unconstitutional (4.00)
      after our senators let him through without a filibuster.  

      Answer: No, it is perfectly fine, not unconstitutional at all.

      Republicans to Americans: "Are there no prisons?...And the Union workhouses?...Are they still in operation?"

      by adigal on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:29:29 PM PST

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      •  ..."pResident not above the law..." (4.00)
         That's what Alito said and he wasn't lying!

        My 'bushpeak v2.6' translator had no trouble with that one. Simply put: we'll pass new laws. Or ignore old ones, he's the pResident and he can do what he wants.
           Yet more from about the rolling fascism.
           Two words: boiled frogs.

        Somebody, do something, I got kids I care about, fer crying out loud!

        by KenBee on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:25:20 PM PST

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      •  ha! (none)
        isn't that sad? seriously!

        maybe i'll do what my friend's dad did. move to a tropical island. open a bakery. first confirm that said tropical island is not predicted to disappear under water what with global warming.

        Live your values! Check out my website Daily Granola!

        by OrangeClouds115 on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 11:12:59 PM PST

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    •  Says Who? The Bush Court?? n/t (none)

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:43:22 PM PST

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    •  Civil Disobedience is q strong pillar of democracy (none)
      We have seen it is needed to oppose regimes, tyranny. Unless we stand up and shout, we will lose this simple and effective tools for law abiding citizens.
    •  Prior Restraint (3.50)
      All under the auspices of the current prior restraint laws. In this case you'll be lead to a demonstration zone, given an orange jump suit and confined behind a barbed wire fence, and if they don't let you out, well show em your copy of the Constitution. That should be good for a laugh.

      "...in the future everything is chrome. Sponge Bob Square Pants

      by agent double o soul on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:06:54 PM PST

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    •  Fascist (4.00)
      Absolutely Fascist. No ifs, ands or buts.
      Fuck 'em

      "Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war." ~Donald Rumsfeld

      by snowho on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:53:18 PM PST

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    •  Of course it's unconstitutional (4.00)
      and a serious breach of civil liberties, but try convincing the Supreme Court of that after Bush is finished with them.

      This is exactly why Alito must be fillibustered. The Democratic party must stop being a rubber stamp for fascism.

    •  you've got to be......... (none)
      f'n kidding me. What's next, we'll have to sew patches on our coats the way Hitler had the Jews do so we can be identified??  This is an outrage!!

      a splendid time is guaranteed for all

      by KBueno on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 07:14:57 AM PST

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      •  Voluntary "Dissenter" Patches (none)
        Why don't we all start voluntarily wear "Dissenter" Patches and pre-empt their next step?  How about a piece of black cloth in the shape of a chimp's head?  Everyone who disagrees with the president has to wear one, and cannot be admited to taxpayer-funded events with administration officials, public transportation (you might want to blow up the bus after all, since you're agin' the president), airplanes (of course) or political protests unless they take place in a fenced-off pen at least five miles from the main event.
    •  Slavery is Freedom (4.00)
      Why has this not gotten any press before?  The press has framed the debate as between Bushco and Dems (and some Repubs) who don't want to renew some objectionable provisions of the Patriot Act.  Nothing that I can remember about Bushco wanting to add provisions that sound like something that could have been on the books of the old Soviet Union.....

      Sometimes you cover your ass with the lame excuses you have, instead of the lame excuses you wish you had. (-3.00, -5.49)

      by litigatormom on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 08:01:04 AM PST

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    •  i'm so numb (4.00)
      day after day, one after another.  this kind of news no longer affects me.  why?  because its reasonable to expect more of the same from our fearless leaders - nothing to say at all.  what a bunch of toads.  dems deserve to be kicked around.  depressing indeed.
    •  Why should it? After all... (4.00)
      ...doesn't Shrub think the Constitution is "just a g**** piece of paper"?
    •  After all, it's (none)
      "just a piece of paper."

      "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." -Mohandas Gandhi

      by Bulldawg on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 01:22:21 PM PST

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    •  If you have one of these on your car... (none)
      Can they nail you for obstructing traffic?

      Click on the dove to get another reason to be arrested for promoting messages of peace. All proceeds in January go to these peace charities.

      No act of peace is ever wasted. peacepositive always.

      by peacepositivemike on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 01:59:00 PM PST

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    •  But not (none)

      Not blatantly unConstitutional to Alito.

      Reichstag fire is to Hitler as 9/11 is to Bush

      by praedor on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 05:14:58 PM PST

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  •  And Alito's on Board. He spoke about protestors (4.00)
    on opening day in a completely derisive manner.  He was referring to his college days and I was shocked to see the face he made when he used the word "protestors".

    I turned to my friend and said, "here's the new m.o.  They'll Swiftboat all dissenters the way they did Kerry."

    And Bush started in yesterday saying that protesting was "irresponsible".  It's like clockwork and very transparent.

  •  The revolution will be sold on Cafe Press. (4.00)
    And the first person to come up with a "Disruptor" T-shirt wins a pickle.

    "You with your big words, and your...small, difficult words!" -- Peter Griffin
    ePluribus Media

    by Penny Century on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 06:39:03 PM PST

  •  Is it any wonder why some.... (4.00)
    ...Holocaust survivors are returning to Germany?
  •  Similiar in intent to the Alien and Sedition.., (4.00)
    Act passed under the J Adams administration?

    "Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others." Groucho Marx

    by irate on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 06:46:56 PM PST

    •  I guess maybe George DOES know his history (4.00)
      The Sedition Act


      THE SEDITION ACT OF JULY 14, 1798

      An Act in addition to the act, entitled "An act for the punishment of certain crimes against the United States."

      SEC. I Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That if any persons shall unlawfully combine or conspire together, with intent to oppose any measure or measures of the government of the United States, which are or shall be directed by proper authority, or to impede the operation of any law of the United States, or to intimidate or prevent any person holding a place or office in or under the government of the United States, from undertaking, performing or executing his trust or duty; and if any person or persons, with intent as aforesaid, shall counsel, advise or attempt to procure any insurrection, riot. unlawful assembly, or combination, whether such conspiracy, threatening, counsel, advice, or attempt shall have the proposed effect or not, he or they shall be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor, and on conviction, before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars, and by imprisonment during a term not less than six months nor exceeding five years; and further, at the discretion of the court may be holden to find sureties for his good behaviour in such sum, and for such time, as the said court may direct.

      SEC. 2. And be it further enacted, That if any person shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered or publishing, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President, or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good people of the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such law, or of the powers in him vested by the constitution of the United States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid, encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against the United States, their people or government, then such person, being thereof convicted before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.

      SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, and declared, That if any person shall be prosecuted under this act, for the writing or publishing any libel aforesaid, it shall be lawful for the defendant, upon the trial of the cause, to give in evidence in his defence, the truth of the matter contained in the publication charged as a libel. And the jury who shall try the cause, shall have a right to determine the law and the fact, under the direction of the court, as in other cases.

      SEC. 4. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue and be in force until the third day of March, one thousand eight hundred and one, and no longer: Provided. That the expiration of the act shall not prevent or defeat a prosecution and punishment of any offence against the law, during the time it shall be in force.

      JONATHAN DAYTON, Speaker of the House of Representatives.

      THEODORE SEDGWICK, President of the Senate, pro tempore.

      APPROVED, July 14, 1798:

      JOHN ADAMS, President of the United States.

      We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor -The Declaration of Independence

      by occams hatchet on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:14:25 PM PST

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      •  That is wicked - scary (none)
        Good connection
      •  Sadly... (4.00)
        That almost seems sane compared to the Bushie proposal.  Yet history records it as an act that went against the desires of the Founding Fathers and others of their era.

        At least under Alien & Sedition they had to prove you were issuing false statements and/or trying to prevent the government from doing its lawful duties.  Bush would just lock up dissenters regardless of falsity or threat.

        Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

        by Phoenix Rising on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:43:53 PM PST

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        •  Exactly right (4.00)
          I hadn't actually read the Alien and Sedition Acts until just now, and you're right - they seem tame. (In fact, the Sedition Act seems to contain the same "truth as an absolute defense" provision as is understood in current libel law, although it is much less inclusive than Times vs. Sullivan.) And, yet, ironically and sadly, these Acts are universally understood by every high school history student as overzealous errors made by a young republic still finding its footing.

          More than 200 years later, we seem poised to lose that footing, picking up speed as we tumble down a slippery slope.

          We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor -The Declaration of Independence

          by occams hatchet on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:51:58 PM PST

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  •  Bush is working overtime (4.00)
    to destroy our rights.
  •  Wake up White People. This is What Alito is here (4.00)
    for.  I don't have a doubt in my mind.  Bush's woes will only multiply and Alito,s vote will  tip the hand  for "law and order'.  Everything in his past history (read last evening's post about a man who was thrown in jail for PEACEFULLY protesting on federal land, Alito decided the case)indicates that he has a jones for authority and power and loves to beat the shit out of the little guy.
  •  Isn't that our right to protest? (4.00)
    How can you criminalize that? Isn't it protected by the 4th Amendment in the Constitution?

    Oh wait. I almost forgot. This is America and King George the Mighty takes the Constitution to bed everynight much like Linus and his blanket.

  •  This is what Bush means by "The Enemy" (4.00)
    He loves to say "The Enemy" instead of any specific individual or group.  When he gave his press conference right after the NSA scandal broke, he chose this term very carefully and used it repeatedly.

    Folks, we ARE the enemy.  And don't let it intimidate you.

    •  Then it's high time we acted like it (4.00)
      I'm getting more angry by the day.  This broad-based assault on Constitutional rights is exactly what we've all feared in our tinfoil hat moments.  The moment is here, and they're trying to lay in every brick in the wall of power they can before 2006.  I suspect that we won't have a clean election in the country in November, because they can't chance it.

      Paranoia seems the only reasonable reaction to this news.  And angry protest the only refuge for patriots.

      -4.50, -5.85 Lies are the new Truth.

      by Dallasdoc on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:05:44 PM PST

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      •  We have not begun to fight, (4.00)
        we truly have not. Alito poses the biggest risk to our constitutional rights. I for one think he will make it in. We are so weak, our reps are weak and not ALL of that is their doing.

        It's hard to say how far this will go before the revolt happens and each morsel, like in this diary, that I read makes me lose faith if only for a while.

        "If you're going through hell, keep going". -Winston Churchill

        by One bite at a time on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:15:35 PM PST

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        •  Alito is an extraordinary threat (4.00)
          I too think Alito will make it in.  I do still believe, naive traditionalist that I am, that the Republicans will find themselves out of power before long, and Democrats will have a colossal job of putting the country back together.

          I fully expect that the Wingnut Judiciary will fight a rear-guard action against every progressive measure we try to pass, in a replay of the 1930's.  They will try to sabotage the Democratic progressive program, so Republicans can portray us as ineffectual and seize power again.  

          I'm already trying to think of countermeasures.  A New Bill of Rights is one approach, waging a populist campaign to enshrine rights (privacy, health care, labor, etc) in the Constitution beyond the reach of the reactionaries.  

          Impeaching judges for overreach, for blatantly unconstitutional patterns of rulings, seems another weapon we can use.  It would break precedent, but after all the tramplings of Constitution and precedent we've seen from the radical right, it seems justified to me.  Congress can, after all, impeach judges, and there is a checks-and-balances argument in favor of this approach.

          It makes me sad to be thinking in the long term like this, but I'm pessimistic that we'll be able to stop Alito.

          -4.50, -5.85 Lies are the new Truth.

          by Dallasdoc on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:22:16 PM PST

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          •  It would break precedence, (4.00)
            but I can see where it would actually be implemented to reverse the radical swing away from the Constitution and bring us back in line with the long held interpretations of our country's basic principles of law and justice.

            We have to think long term. I always ask older people for their opinions. Like my mother, for instance. She says that the repubs will lose control  and faster than she thought a year ago (now:by 2008) but she adds that it's a shame we have to put up with him so long because he will do untold damage.

            "If you're going through hell, keep going". -Winston Churchill

            by One bite at a time on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:30:11 PM PST

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          •  we all think of the constitution (4.00)
            as some precious holy document but it's really just like lovers names carved in a tree.
            If the ideas aren't alive in the hearts and minds of present day americans then the constitution is just a love letter that belonged to the Founders
            •  Teaching the Constitution Every Day (none)
              So...how can we go about infiltrating the Constitution and the Bill of Rights into the popular mass media in a manner that is clearly understood by the vast majority of the citizens of this country and in a manner whereby they understand that these rights are expounded in the Constitution and Bill of Rights?

              This needs to be done, education beyond whatever they are giving them in school these days. Somehow these rights need to be shown with examples of how these rights allow behavior that the viewers/readers/listeners take for granted and the consequences to allowable behavior if these rights are taken away. And it all needs to be done in a manner that is interesting and overcomes our collective national ADD that typically results in channel flipping to the best "diversion" that is playing at the moment.

              Then there is a need to practically headline, but keep very simple, the things that are being done by BushCo that not only threaten but are eliminating these rights to our normal human behavior.

              •  the debate may still be (none)
                Freedom (whatever that is!) VS. Security for way too many of the Aggregate Amerikan people and I believe, that for the most part, until they, or there loved ones experience tyranny and the loss of freedom personally, then freedom remains an abstraction.

                People used to say America lost it's innocence in the 60's. I don't know that we've ever really had any but Innocence(Faith?) seems to be the mindset we seek for ourselves again and again like Adam&Eve hanging around the gates of Eden hoping to be let back in. Busssh makes a great snake by the way doesn't he?

      •  For a few ideas (4.00)
        Click on my signature line
        •  Wow! (none)
          I've bookmarked that one.  Guess I'll be having some fun this weekend.

          How long did that extremely exhaustive list take you?  It's remarkably comprehensive.

          -4.50, -5.85 Lies are the new Truth.

          by Dallasdoc on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:41:24 PM PST

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        •  Hey Moses my friend, (none)
          still got your constitution gripped on hot, living fingers?
        •  Re: "Fight Back!" (none)
          I read it when it was first posted, 90 to 95% of it I think is great, but  as to the rest, I fear all that would be accomplished, would be to victimize some poor custodian or other "low level' employee who may well be an ally or at least someone not deserving of such abuse.
          •  Well this was sort of a (none)
            collaborative effort, and to be frank, a lot of my friends can be pretty ornery characters. Many of the more outlandish suggestions were more for humor value than anything.

            On the other hand, there is a case to be made for such acts in certain situations. While trashing a public park or a university campus would always be wrong, such a thing might be effective in certain isolated instances on say a federal lawn.

             Questions of legitimacy come in. If the act of trashing a place is clearly mocking the powers that be, and challenging their authority (ie the ability to keep the lawn free of signs, the walls free of graffiti, etc), then it becomes a revolutionary act. The connection must be clear in the minds of all though, that what is being undermined is the authority's sbility to control the situation.

            Authorities tend to be utterly paranoid. They invariably overreact to challenges like this... inundate them with things like this, and you can count on them to start making mistakes, ...lots of them!

            While federal targets are probably some of the few legitimate ones, they are also protected by special laws. Step very carefully when planning such things, and be prepared for the consequences. I would discuss serious civil disobedience with an attorney before going ahead... but find a radical one, ignore the milquetoasts who tell you to stay home, shut up, and be safe... 'cause that ain't going to work anymore.

      •  This is definitely the scariest thing I've heard (4.00)
        in the last 5 years regarding Bush's criminal presidency.

        And I was outraged by Spring 2001 gutting of environmental laws and handover of our budget surplus to the richest 1 percent.

        It's been a slow, steady decline...

    •  He is the enemy (4.00)
      of democracy and our constitution.
    •  Amen. (4.00)
      I am not intimidated.  I am infuriated.

      "He that sees but does not bear witness, be accursed" Book of Jubilees

      by Lying eyes on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:32:30 PM PST

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    •  This is why he keeps repeating the mantra (none)
      that dissenting on the war is "giving comfort to the enemy."  Isn't that the classic definition of treason??

      Republicans to Americans: "Are there no prisons?...And the Union workhouses?...Are they still in operation?"

      by adigal on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:55:44 PM PST

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    •  "Our" is "Royal We" (none)
      I was thinking the same thing when I heard him saying that people who question whether he lied us into war or saying that we needed to pull out now were "giving comfort to our adversaries."

      The only way he was NOT saying that questioning how we got into the war and whether he told the truth is treason is if he was using the "royal we". The "adversaries" is just his attempt at using the 50-cent word for enemy, but if he had said that, the even the sheeple would have understood.

      We are NOT the enemy. We are the patriots, who care about what this country has been about since its founding, what it is becoming, and what we can do to keep the country we love.

      But we are HIS "adversaries." And he is correct, that raising these questions "gives comfort" to other patriots who care.

  •  Yo! BushPunk (4.00)
    Bring it on ya clueless idiot with delusions of grandeur.

    This is guaranteed to bring out lots of folks to the next big anti-war demo....

    I really don't think Code Pink is afraid of the big bad Bush Storm Troopers.

    I'm not.

    Oh, spare me all the warnings. If yer ready to live on yer knees....

    That don't mean I am!

    "Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing."

    by Nestor Makhnow on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 06:57:37 PM PST

  •  Thanks for this n/t (none)
  •  Repost this tomorrow morning (none)
    It's too important, and by tomorrow morning when most people sign in, it will have fallen off the Recommended list.
  •  Fucking Hell!! (4.00)
    This ain't my country anymore.  Someone hijacked it and needs to rename it.
    •  It's still the United States (4.00)
      but it's no longer America.
      •  you couldn't have said it better (none)
        i had a long talk w/ someone at dinner over this. i'm not having a kid in this country until i see it getting better. and if (when) scalito is confirmed, that is a very longterm very bad thing
        •  Sigh... (4.00)
          My boyfriend and I are expecting in May.  We had planned to sell our respective houses and buy a place together, but now I think we're just going to sell mine and shack at his place in Locust Point, even though it's kind of small.

          Why?  Because over the past few months it has become inescapably clear that this country is now a dictatorship and that the Democrats are not going to do anything to stop it from happening.  Neither of us are all that thrilled about raising our daughter in a country as fucked up as this one, so we're now exploring some overseas options.

          In short, we're both tired of this country -- tired of BushCo, tired of the lapdog Bush-worshipping media, tired of the ignorant, uninformed sheeple, tired of fascistic Christianity.  I never thought I'd be considering leaving, but I just don't see anything stopping this country's nosedive into ruin.

          "Good night and god bless; now fuck off to bed." --- Shane MacGowan

          by asskicking annie on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:43:49 PM PST

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          •  check my website (4.00)
            if you haven't yet.

            the thing is, if i had a kid i have so many ideas about how i would raise them. organic food, organic cotton, no fast food, take them to arboretums and museums and camping, etc. no TV even. Show them that just because a corporation defines what is "mainsteam" that doesn't make it right or best. That's what I'd do anyway, if I had a kid.

            •  Sounds great (none)
              We have many of the same goals for our wee one.  These goals may be more easily accomplished elsewhere.

              "Good night and god bless; now fuck off to bed." --- Shane MacGowan

              by asskicking annie on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:34:30 PM PST

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            •  It can be done... (4.00)
              We raised our children vegetarian, no television. Had membership to the Smithsonian Society and took them to the museums regularly, zoos, etc. They grew up fine, my vegetarian, television-less grandchildren are up-and-coming (one's 15 already!). Still don't have TV, don't miss it one bit.

              ...though it does make for intelligent, aware, articulate young people who scare the holy hell out of a surprising number of 'authoritarian' adults...

              Don't forget there's one BIG difference between Saddam and Bush: Saddam never did anything to help bin Laden.

              by Joy Busey on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 06:27:47 AM PST

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              •  All those things (none)
                I've been vegetarian since I was fifteen -- 27 years now, and my boyfriend went veg around the time we met (2002).  I've never owned a TV of my own, and my boyfriend's (we still haven't "officially" moved in together yet...) is just for the VCR and DVD player down in the exercise room in his basement.

                We hope to pass those values on to the "next generation."  

                We're also very concerned about materialism.  We want to make the little one very aware of what advertising is as early as possible.  My grade school had a speaker -- I think it was in third grade -- who showed my class how advertising works, how it makes you want things that you would not ordinarily want.  It might have been the most valuable lesson I've ever learned.

                Since we know we're having a girl at a time when women are in the process of being re-relegated to second-class status, we have talked quite a bit about raising our daughter to be as assertive and strong as possible.  I really think the next generation of women are going to need these qualities as never before.  This is actually a topic I have been planning for quite some time to diary -- maybe I'll sit down and write something out this weekend and see what the Kos community thinks.

                "Good night and god bless; now fuck off to bed." --- Shane MacGowan

                by asskicking annie on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 09:26:19 AM PST

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                •  if you write it (none)
                  i'd be interested in reading it :)

                  Live your values! Check out my website Daily Granola!

                  by OrangeClouds115 on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 09:36:36 AM PST

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                •  I'll read it! (none)
                  I wish you the very best of luck, and will look forward to your diary! We choose to live here in the mountains, surrounded by National Forest, on purpose. Have an organic garden, grow medicinals (ginseng, black cohosh and goldenseal) in the shade, and grandson's got the entire bottomland staked out as his own personal sovereign nation!

                  Materialism is the biggest danger of television outside induced idiocy. When people hear that we don't watch television, they stare at us gape-jawed and ask "Well, what in the world do you DO?" Reading, writing, talking with each other, playing board games, looking up answers to random wonderings, doing projects (the place is always a 'work in progress')... grandson makes Samurai armor - even gets paid for it! - and sculpey chess sets. My set (last in line) has all the pawns and the royalty so far, Elves and Orcs. They're astounding. He also participates in "Guilding" meets, where the kids and not-so kids don armor and go at each other with PVC swords and pikes with foam pipe-insulation duct-taped on. His idea of a Great Christmas is a year's supply of duct tape, tie wire, a few yards of naugahide and felt, sculpey, brushes, paints and (yes) System of a Down CDs. Go figure...

                  Don't forget there's one BIG difference between Saddam and Bush: Saddam never did anything to help bin Laden.

                  by Joy Busey on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 11:01:08 AM PST

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                •  None of my business, (none)
                  but my two cents anyway, as a lover of children:
                  Teach her to be streetwise. It won't be wise to be too publicly assertive under Bushworld. Especially for a woman.
                  Sorry.
              •  way to go (none)
                if i were to have kids, i would want them to be exactly like that. unfortunately, you can't always control what you get. i've watched my parents struggle with my brother and it's made me wary :)

                Live your values! Check out my website Daily Granola!

                by OrangeClouds115 on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 09:32:33 AM PST

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          •  I left with my family (none)
            over a year ago. It's not as hard as you might think. The answer of where to go is going to be highly personal though, based upon your skills and preferences (and language abilities).

            The short list for English speaking countries with tolerable wages is Canada (too close I think), New Zealand (best), Australia, the UK, Ireland, Singapore, a few Caribbean islands, South Africa, and the Gulf states (not English speaking per se, but they will hire you).

            If anyone wants to ask anything specific, just e-mail me.

            •  A common objection you'll hear (4.00)
              to this is that we shouldn't leave, because we are needed to fight Bush. To this I say a hearty "Nonsense!". I think I am probably more effective now than I was before. One thing I can't do anymore is demonstrate where Bushfink can see me (been seen twice, I think), but as this article points out, that is quickly becoming obsolete anyhow.

              Almost anything you can do in the States you can also do abroad... vote, donate money, write, organize, etc. There are also some things that you can do abroad that you can't do in the states. I have a lot of credibility here, people listen to me about American politics... I'm a sort of "anti-ambassador" for George Bush. Telling folks about what is really happening in the United States can help throw a wrench in Bush's foreign policy. He is finding foreign cooperation pretty hard to come by these days, and small actions by ex-pats can help shift public opinion even further away from him.

            •  Are the UK and Australia safe? (none)
              I could get into either, but, um...
              UK: Tony Blair
              -- mail fraud elections
              -- lying them into war
              -- shooting an unarmed man down in the street
              -- attempted Patriot-Act like legislation

              Australia: John Howard
              -- lying them into war
              -- successful Patriot-Act-like legislation

              New Zealand is totally the best.  Canada is great too.  Unfortunately, Canada is the hardest to get into (medical exam!), and New Zealand is not so easy for me.

              So I ask your opinions.  (and you can email me if you have solid reasons behind your opinions, because I'm not sure I'll find this entry again.)  Is it worth going to the UK or Australia, or will it turn out to be like moving to Italy or Austria before WWII?

              •  Britain? No way (none)

                Besides the crap you list above, there are cameras covering virtualy every square inch of the country and, soon, tracking of license plates no matter where you go.  Oh, and they are considering mandatory National IDs.  They are drifting into something like BushWorld themselves.  Theirs will be one of overwhelmingly, suffocatingly thick surveillance.  No thanks.

                Reichstag fire is to Hitler as 9/11 is to Bush

                by praedor on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 06:17:23 PM PST

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          •  Yes and No (none)
            There is a lot to be sick of in this country but there are still a lot of good people here and a lot of good things going on.  I can't say I blame you for wanting to leave.  Christmas of 2004 I asked for foreign language tapes.  In focusing on American flaws we tend to overlook those of other countries.  Much of Europe still has defamation laws that act to censor free speech.  Where in Europe is there any wilderness left (granted Europe has been intensively habited for a while)?  Not that Europe is the only choice, but every place has its flaws.  

            This country does seem headed down a dark path, but there is still a good chance that it can be redirected.  If not, there is always the hope of the People's Republic of Pacifica (what is now CA, OR, and WA).  Go if you want but spend a day compiling a list of the pros and cons of this country versus the pros and cons of the country you'd like to go to.  

            After the oppressors I most hate the oppressed. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

            by Gambrinus on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 10:12:51 PM PST

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            •  Many discussions (4.00)
              concering the possibilities of going expat have taken place here at Kos since November '04. It's certainly seems a blessing to feel oneself able to address that decision seriously; of course, many of us simply don't have that type of flexibility, due to economic & other basic, practical constraints. I suppose we'll simply deal with whatever comes down the chute, as usual.
              •  I understand (none)
                that it may be difficult or impossible to relocate.  I have no plans to do so.  For all its flaws I still enjoy this country, especially the west.  It's true that it is not how it used to be, but it's still good enough for me.  Also, there are many problems that the world faces at this time that cannot be escaped by leaving the country.  I'll stay and even if I don't "fight" I believe that my presence here helps the cause.

                After the oppressors I most hate the oppressed. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

                by Gambrinus on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 08:34:42 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

            •  Wildlife (none)
              Where in Europe is there any wilderness left (granted Europe has been intensively habited for a while)?
              There's plenty in the Nordic countries and in the east and in the mountain regions... Have you only visited Britain and the Low Countries or something? :-)
              •  Yes (none)
                I should see the Nordic countries, they're on my list for when I get the money.  The wilderness there is quite high latitude wise for my taste, but I'd love to explore it.  But there is also the fact that

                More than half of Europe´s original forest cover has already disappeared and of the remaining, only 6.3 per cent is designated as a protected area. These areas are scattered throughout Europe in 37,851 patches, with 95 per cent being areas less than 10km2. Their small size and spread out distribution makes it difficult for these areas to be self-regulating ecosystems that can provide a home for all forest species, including large carnivores and herbivores. In addition, protection often only exists on paper. Protected areas are sometimes logged or subject to construction developments, and uncontrolled hunting is often allowed (source WWF).

                though the wild places and the system that protects them are being slowly chipped away, for now they remain standing.

                After the oppressors I most hate the oppressed. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

                by Gambrinus on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 08:41:11 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

              •  Even France and Germany (none)
                have a fair amount of forest/mountain/wilderness still available. Considering their population density, Europe as a whole does a pretty fair job at conservation.
          •  China rocks! (none)
            I've been teaching college here in the People's Republic for nigh on three years now.  The people are amazingly nice and the government (including police) seems to have "a live and let live"  attitude.  

            Then again, I narrowly escaped from Oklahoma and the Christian Death Squad.

          •  sick of Bush too (none)
            which places are you considering, Annie?
            My family and I have discussed Canada.
      •  It's not "United" -- more (none)
        like Fifty States (for now).

        The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

        by xanthe on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:57:15 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  United States of BushCo? (none)
  •  Saw this coming in 2000 before, way (4.00)
    before Bush was president...experienced it firsthand, and this has been the intent of the GOP all along, time to wake up folks.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin

    by SanJoseLady on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:17:19 PM PST

  •  I can't help but think (4.00)
    that if this trajectory isn't reversed, that in 5 years, or 10 or 3, there will be people who now occupy elected office who will torture themselves with the question, "Why didn't I do more?"

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:18:41 PM PST

  •  Sickening (4.00)
    Reminds me very much of Orwell's "1984," and Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here.}"

    "Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious" - 1984 - George Orwell

    by elveta on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:21:35 PM PST

    •  And this was going in under the radar (4.00)
      A little-known provision of the Patriot Act...hmm.

      I see, of course, how everything is called exactly opposite of what it really is (Clear Skies Initiative, Leave No Child Behind, etc.)
      So if this president makes an official "Love Thy Neighbor Day," can we expect sanctioned hit jobs on everyone who has run afoul of them?  

      How close are we to losing the right to bear arms; is this just a warm-up?  It's too damn close. I've never owned a gun but you take my right of peaceable assembly and protest, which this effectively does, then I want to have something to protect myself with....

      War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

      by Margot on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:44:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  right to bear arms is safe (4.00)
        The right to bear arms is safe, just as safe as the right to free speech.  As long as you're not a potential threat to the Bush Admi- ... er, to national security, you have nothing to worry about.

        Snark aside, this is part of why I've always had mixed feelings about gun control.  I've never been sure that the benefits -- and there are many -- outweigh the drawbacks.  Not that I have any illusion about the stopping power of a 9mm weapon versus a 120mm weapon.

        Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.

        by Bearpaw on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 07:24:06 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  The pea shooter is a waste (none)

          Go for .308 (FN/FAL or HK91 and similar).  Better stopping power than an AR15 type (M16 weapon) with its .223 caliber.  The .308 has longer range and accuracy too.  They can be had cheap (relatively).  Get 'em while you can.  When your name goes on a "disruptor" or "dissenter" list it could be difficult to acquire one via above-board means.

          Reichstag fire is to Hitler as 9/11 is to Bush

          by praedor on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 06:23:07 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  What is the floor schedule (none)
        for debating this in Senate and House (and does it even matter, given what has lately been going on about rewriting the voted legislation)?

        When, finite, is the 5 weeks extension of the former Patriot act done, and should not Alito on the floor of the Senate and everything else be held up to debate this?

        •  In my opinion (none)
          Everything should be held up pending  an NSA spying investigation, and then pending impeachment hearings.  
          Could be awhile, but I don't want anyone getting into our government before these things are fully investigated.  

          War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

          by Margot on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 10:08:26 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  requote title... (4.00)
    to fix it...

    Sounds preemptive to me, like as if they are expecting mass protests within a few months for some reason... maybe iran war protests?

  •  i lived in china for a few mos (4.00)
    and when i was there, there were so many things - getting your mail read, for example - that reminded me daily of how lucky i was to be American. It seemed so foreign. Like the fact that the Chinese govt was freaking out about the falun gong people organizing in public. It was exactly what you'd expect for China - and as much as I would love for them to have more "freedom" (I feel like Bush has dirtied that word) - it seemed like a novelty to go to a foreign country and observe it for real.

    But now all of those oh-so-foreign Chinese things are creeping into our society. They read our mail. I heard it on Air America. And this!

    •  political prisoners (4.00)
      if this law is actually enacted and stands, it will have created a whole class of political prisoners here in the united states.

      now when i was a kid, back during the cold war, i was taught that one of the things that was bad about totalitarian and authoritarian societies (like the soviet union) was that you had no freedom.  why whole groups of people were locked up for simply daring to express their opinions in public.  that's not how we did things in america!  (of course now i know that the last part wasn't 100% true, but it was part of what america stood for, in theory.)

      so now we're to have political prisoners just like all those communist dictatorships.  how lovely.  i guess it just follows logically from suspending habeas corpus, secret military tribunals ("kangaroo court" is the term we used to use for such things), torturing prisoners and the rest.  

      oh yeah, i also remember the handful of people who actually did travel to the USSR or east germany or china telling us kids about how you weren't allowed to take pictures at airports, or of bridges or trains and so forth, how some cop would confiscate your camera, and how that showed how insanely un-free things were in those countries.  oh well...

      we'd better decide now if we are going to be fearless men or scared boys.
      — e.d. nixon, montgomery improvement association

      by zeke L on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:08:02 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  i was in china during the run-up to iraq (4.00)
      and it pissed me off to no end to be living in the only country in the world where you couldn't protest the damn war. i badmouthed bush to every taxi driver i could find, and taped the character for "war" upside down on the backpack as a quiet protest (ie. "down with war").

      on the other hand, if china is any guide, repression will just make us better at resisting. the villagers setting buses on fire and fighting back against thuggish local police and the students and others spreading news of said resistence are way more skilled about the use of text messaging and chat rooms on the internet to confound the government censors and spies. the more oppression, the smarter the repressed. with a little practice, we could be a lot more disruptive than we are, i'd imagine.

      crimson gates reek with meat and wine/while on the streets, bones of the frozen dead -du fu (712-770)

      by wu ming on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 10:25:25 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  The only one (none)
    who needs to be preemtively removed is Bush. Followed by Cheney, Rove, Hastert . . . my arm is getting sore from typing.
  •  FUCK THIS SHIT !!!!!!! (none)
    This son of a bitch has gone way too far now.

    He's really going to rue the day he started this shit. This is "bring it on" redux.

    Just you wait Bully Boy, just you wait.

    Let's get some Democracy for America

    by murphy on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:26:53 PM PST

  •  How would he classify these people? (4.00)

    No, for heaven's sake, conservatives NEVER disrupt. They're freedom fighters. I forgot.

    •  iokiyar! (4.00)
      These people will be allowed to continue doing what they're doing.  Just like Focus on the Family can do "Life -- protect it" commercials on the CBS Evening News, featuring a 3D ultrasound of a fetus at (I think) 15 weeks (post first trimester)...when the UCC can't run "open to everybody" commercials and MoveOn can't run theirs, and, oh I forget what-all.  My outrage meter is pegged, but I'm not the first to say that.
    •  There was something wrong with your first pic... (4.00)



      I fixed it...

      Dudehisattva... <div style="color: #0000a0;">"Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"&l

      by Dood Abides on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 02:48:37 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  the theme is (4.00)
    dignified questioning of Alito, inappropriate questions about Iraq, protestors, lists, surveillance, anticipatory detention.

    Make no mistake.  This is Horatio at the bridge, and the dictator is at the gates. or some sort of mixed metaphor.

    seriously, Bush is trying to take the last step to suppression of dissent. This is for all the marbles.

    Treason's Greetings from Karl Rove and Scooter Libby: Merry Fitzmas and Happy New Smear

    by seesdifferent on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:31:15 PM PST

    •  Stopping the bastards (4.00)
      Stop the Tuscans Bushites
      during the attack on the city by Lars Porsena of Clausium and his Tuscan Army of CMX men, Captain Horatius, with Sergeant Sporius Laritus and Corporal Julius Herminius, held the entire Tuscan army at the far end of the bridge, until the structure could be destroyed, thereby saving the city.

      IV. Captain Horatius did valiantly fight and kill one Major Picus of Clausium in individual combat.

      V. The exemplary courage and the outstanding leadership of Captain Horatius are in the highest tradition of the Roman Army.

      Alito will be covering Bush's back.

      "Patriot" Act my ass.

      Treason's Greetings from Karl Rove and Scooter Libby: Merry Fitzmas and Happy New Smear

      by seesdifferent on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:40:07 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  so the guy who told Cheney to fuck himself (4.00)
    would now be a criminal.

    Every step toward fascism is small and doesn't seem like that big a deal.

    Until it hits.  And then you can't do anything about it--because it was illegal to protest.

  •  Welcome back to 1968 (4.00)
    Ok, here's the drill, forget the ghandi stuff...dress for scrimage, prepare for gas, bring the bullhorns and loudspeakers, and start acting French
    •  From Experience (4.00)
      Regardless of what you plan,

      bring your buddies, watch each others' backs, bring a map, goggles to protect against OC, masks to protect against CS (though it is relatively rare), at least two layers of nondescript clothing so you can change if needed, some water, some food, some baking soda to mix into water to decontaminate, etc. Pay close attention to local police methods. Do they use rubber bullets? Do they make mass arrests? Do theit motorcycle cavalry change into crowds? Do they have any idea what they are doing? Do they copy FM 3.15?

    •  and get yourself a copy of..... (4.00)
      "Steal this Book" by Abbie Hoffman. Power to the People...Power to the People!!!!!!!!

      a splendid time is guaranteed for all

      by KBueno on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 07:49:31 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Not to demean this post (3.00)
    But does it really matter? Something like this would be laughed out of a court room.
    Besides, marching in the streets is one of those rights that you just take for yourself. If you have someone hand it to you, it's no much of a right anyway.
    •  no, you're wrong Alito breath (4.00)
      ;)

      Today's questions to Alito point directly to this issue. Bush isn't just president, he is a Unitary president. If you think Alito is going to vote in your interest you are adly mistaken.

      Besides, haven't you heard? We're at war ya know, and Bush needs to beat you down to save you from the terrorists.

      Violence is the first resort of the unintelligent

      by brenda on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:45:39 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  clearly (3.50)
      you haven't been paying attention the last few years.
    •  Laughed out of a court room, sure.. (4.00)
      .. but with each appeals court judge George Bush appoints and his Congressional lackeys rubber stamp, the chance increases that someone challenging even a rare conviction will lose on appeal, cementing the precedent and further trivializing the courts.  

      I actually believe that most judges, including far-right ones that I don't agree with, are probably decent, smart folks.  But a few key swing votes can make a huge difference.

      On the other hand, I agree with the balance of your post.  The day we have to ask permission to assemble, protest, shout, and otherwise hold our elected leaders accountable is the day the terrorists havejunta has won.  

      I hope this Monday kicks off a year of patriotic dissent for peace, for justice, and for good government.  I have a dream, friends.

      You can never ask too many questions.

      by socratic on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:49:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Laughed out of Scalia's courtroom? (4.00)
      Or Alito's ?
      Or Thomas's?
      How about Robert's?

      I don't think so.

      That's 4 out of 9.

      Now ask yourself - Justice Kennedy's?

      "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

      by shpilk on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 09:35:33 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  It's the Patriot Act (none)
      No courtroom is needed (gag)
  •  It's escalating, though (4.00)
    Every week he and his bootjacks are trying to destroy another right we have.  Meanwhile, the Dow Jones goes to 11,000 and Amerika is happy.

    Republicans to Americans: "Are there no prisons?...And the Union workhouses?...Are they still in operation?"

    by adigal on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:34:32 PM PST

    •  soon, very soon.... (none)
      Adolf Busch's Einsatzgruppen will be standing on the empty street corners asking for your papers because your in violation of the curfew. ACH!!!

      a splendid time is guaranteed for all

      by KBueno on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 07:52:10 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Where can I find (none)
    a copy of the latest version of the Patriot Act?
  •  Suppose the Prezdint or the Vice-prezdint makes (2.00)
    a speech, and he says something that gets applause and the teevee shows the crowd and there's someone who isn't clapping.  So Al-jazeera or Ali Baba or whatever that network is  shows the guy not clapping to all them Arabs and there's a terrorist with a gumption deficiency watching.  He'll stand up, put on his boom belt, square his shoulders and march right out to a checkpoint and blow himself up, maybe killing a couple of our good Christian boys with wives and children.

    The guy who didn't clap ought to be strung up the nearest cottonwood, the damn liberal media who put him on the air should be shut down and Aljazeera should be bombed all to kingdom come.

    Dissent means murder and treason and I can't see how come all them liberals don't get it.

    •  You're being ironic, right? (none)
      You're not serious.  I'm giving you a four because I think some other people failed to detect irony and I've experienced the same thing around here.  

      In every stage of these Oppressions...: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury." DoI, TJ

      by ChuckLin on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 06:23:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Check his message history (none)
        jpk isn't a troll, he forgot to add the /snark tag.
      •  I saw Ambrose Bierce the other day. He looks old. (none)
        That is a snark and an old one at that.  When H. Allen Smith first wrote it perhaps forty years ago he received an earnest letter stating he must be mistaken:  Mr. Bierce had disappeared in Mexico in 1911.  Smith dipped his pen in Wick Fowler's chili sauce in his reply.

        If I had sent my little bit to a right-wing blog I suspect it might have been taken seriously;  that suspicion in itself is something of a snark I guess.  I had hoped that my use of the term "Prezdint" would be recognized as a snark alert; indeed I had worried I might be  telegraphing my punchline.  Alas, the warning wasn't clear enough.

  •  Disrupt THIS (4.00)
    George fucking Bush doesn't come from America, he comes from some Texas shithole palace where they breed sadistic fratboys. He wouldn't know real American behavior if it took a big chunk out of his ass - which someday it might.

    Monkeyboy's aspirations to run a corporate slick dictatorship are coming smack up against the genuine bloodlines of decency and liberty that still run through us. Cindy Sheehan, for example.

    Republicans are going to moan the day they ever put this lying sack of shit into the driver's seat.

  •  Well (4.00)
    Seems like the terrorists won. Thanks, Bush, for letting Bin Laden off the hook so you could have fun in Iraq's sandbox.

    A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

    by Tux on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:49:08 PM PST

  •  Bush - review the original "Patriot Act" (4.00)
    IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

    ...

    "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

    ...

    "In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

    Hey BushCo - y'all might want to try reading this document some time.  It was written by Thomas Jefferson - a president who you won't ever have to worry about being mentioned in the same breath as...

    •  Except for (none)
      when you say "Jefferson could totally take Bush on in a steel cage match.. let's reanimate him!"

      Sorry, I need humor to get through obvious lapses in my freedom such as this one. I could roundhouse kick anyone that calls the ACLU a 'liberal' organization with a negative tone in their voice.. as if wanting to be free is playing partisan politics..

      Or maybe it is?

  •  The REAL Rightists - (none)
    The John Birchers, Militia and Minutemen types will NOT take this type of thing lightly.

    They're already thinking that the Feds are "after" them after Koresh and all... they're worried about the "New World Order".....

    AND they've been known to threaten and KILL law enforcement officials INCUDING Federal Judges who THEY view as intruding on THEIR rights.....  These guys don't complain about things - they're pro-active and well-armed.

    Not personally advocating ANYTHING, just reporting what has happened.

    If I were Alito, I might give serious thought to the enemies I'd be facing if I got on the court and started being too pro-active in expanding governmental power.

  •  a new denunciation (4.00)
    It's the running dog capitalist roaders against the disrupters.  Time to choose up sides, I guess.

    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving: it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.--Thomas Paine

    by peterborocanuck on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:54:25 PM PST

  •  Mike Malloy on Air America Radio (4.00)
    was just discussing this Diary on his show.

    Thought I'd mention that.

  •  Looks like I am stealing all the post... (none)
    This should be everywhere known.
    Thanks.
    i.

    If you dance with the devil, then you haven't got a clue; 'Cause you think you'll change the devil, but the devil changes you. - illyia

    by illyia on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:31:01 PM PST

  •  When and where is the next big protest? (none)
    I'd like to be there.
  •  Have anyone been to a protest lately (4.00)
    I was at the anti-Bush protest in Chicago on Friday.  We were relocated across the street from the Hilton Towers where he was speaking. Unless you were in a suit, you could not get near the Hotel.  This is already in effect.  Where have you been?

    Our rights are gone.

  •  I don't know about anyone else (4.00)
    But I'm ready to do some major disrupting.

    I HATE BUSH!

  •  This country is fucked. (none)
    That's all I have to say.
  •  I'm going to Fax... (none)
    a copy of this diary to Feingold's office....

    If you can't laugh at yourself, I sure as hell will - me -7.88, -5.95

    by blueyedace2 on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:48:07 PM PST

  •  I can't wait until they start jailing (4.00)
    all of the teachers and students and stay-at-home Moms and nannies (that'd be me).  It's gonna look real good for them.  I'll have my mugshot framed, goddamit.

    This will not intimidate me.  It will not stop me.  It won't even slow me down.

    Bring it on, George, you sad, greedy little demagogue.  You sicken me.

    George W. Bush deserves a fair trial.

    by CJB on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 08:49:35 PM PST

    •  got pissed at a friend of mine (4.00)
      who works in education...said he was scared to go to the Feb. 4 rally in DC in light of this Patriot Act measure because he might get arrested and lose his job...

      Sorry, but this sent me into a near-mania...

      I told him that he is nuts if he thinks the teacher's union is going to stand for that...like it's going to sit by and say, oh well, too bad, you got arrested, shouldn't have been standing in the street in Washington D.C. And if they did - is he willing to stand for this? He is willing to ACCEPT this? To be cowered by some words put on paper by an illiterate coward?

      This is a friend who is very politically aware. He got me interested in politics. And even he is willing to be forced to accept this. Believe that?

      •  And of course, the response from (none)
        the cheap seats will be, "Well, if he doesn't have anything to hide, then why is he afraid?"  ARG!

        I'm with you, if your friend loses his job over being arrested for peacefully demonstrating, I hope he and his union and his union's lawyers talk some tough sense into the school.

        As far as I'm concerned, an arrest based on Georgie's newly tarted-up Patriot Act would be a badge of honor.

        I have been loathe to use the word "fascist" recently because it is so incendiary and tends to make the speaker sound hysterical.  Starting today, I'm putting that word back in my vocabulary.  And I plan to use it.

        George W. Bush deserves a fair trial.

        by CJB on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 01:18:05 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  If the Crown's subjects in the American colonies (none)
    had followed these rules, why, they would still be sipping tea and singing 'God Save the King!'

    Sponge Bob, Mandrake, Cartoons. That's how your hard-core islamahomocommienazis work.

    by Benito on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 09:03:50 PM PST

    •  Well, (none)
      That's what we do in Canada, and it ain't so bad.

      "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation." - Pierre Trudeau

      by fishhead on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 10:52:01 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yeah, but on the other hand, (4.00)
        the loss of the American Colonies was a major political factor in Britain for a long while. It allowed a more sensible reaction to prevail, when Upper and Lower Canada had their own rebellions in 1837 and 1838. Lord Durham's report recommended that we be granted responsible government; in 1848, we were.

        In 1867, too, when we were trying to figure out how to set up our Confederation, we had the horrors of the recent American Civil War to warn us to give residual powers to the federal government, not the provinces.

        Canada might not be such a good place to live if our American cousins hadn't provided such fine lessons over the years, to Britain and then to us, about what not to do.

        Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is. - TNH

        by Canadian Reader on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 06:03:34 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  So how does one tell the King (none)
    he is not wearing any clothes?
  •  Well, if they jail my family (4.00)
    they will get an ex-NYC fireman who was a "9/11 hero," a teacher, two Boy Scouts and a Girl Scout.  

    That will look real good in the New York Post, George.  

    Republicans to Americans: "Are there no prisons?...And the Union workhouses?...Are they still in operation?"

    by adigal on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 09:07:48 PM PST

  •  The fall into fascism continues (4.00)
    and no one outside dKos and other left-wing blogs seems to care.

    Having read The Rise and Fall Of The Third Reich the parallels with what the Right Wing is doing are scary. We really don't need a holocaust for the similarities to be too close.

    When I see things like this I'm scared that it's too late and that we will not get enough power in 2006 and 2008 to turn this around fast enough.

    -4.25, -6.87: Someday, after the forest fire of the Right has died we'll say "Whew, I'm happy that's over."

    by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 09:38:39 PM PST

    •  2006 will be the year that... (4.00)
      we either reassert Democracy in America, or lose it entirely.

      -8.75;-5.28. But it don't mean nuttin if you don't put your money where your mouth is

      by ultrageek on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 10:02:18 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  as much as I believe in this community (4.00)
      and what Kos does, I'm beginning to believe that we've passed the point of no return as a nation. Power and justice are not about people, they're about the ability of institutions to balance ambition. And right now, there are simply no institutions vital enough or healthy enough to mount a challenge to our homegrown fascist movement.

      We couldn't stop the theft of election 2000. We couldn't stop the war in Iraq. We couldn't stop Bush's re-election. It doesn't look like we're going to stop the final conservative blow to the Supreme Court. As the Pew research indicates, the folks who care most deeply about these issues are Liberals, making up only 17% of the electorate. Outside of that 17%, we have little traction.

      Options? I honestly don't know. Secession. Emigration. Whatever. But I have yet to see any victory since 2000 that would tell me we have a chance of longterm winning.

  •  what's next mr. dictator? (none)
    is the internet next george, you fascist.
  •  Do you get a trial or straight to Gitmo? (none)
    I'm glad Reagan won the battle for freedom with the Iron Curtain.

    Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

    by Einsteinia on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 09:59:44 PM PST

  •  Who is a disruptor? (none)
    Well, anyone who gives any money to any Democratic candidate is looking to disrupt FLs power, right?

    -8.75;-5.28. But it don't mean nuttin if you don't put your money where your mouth is

    by ultrageek on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 10:00:38 PM PST

  •  The Patriot Act (4.00)
    Better not be renewed.

    Fucking damnit.

    And fuck Arlen Specter. And fuck Sensenbrenner... that fat fucking bigot.

    Wisconsin's 5th ought to be f'ing ashamed of itself.

    Check out this bullshit, cause I just broke a law worth 2 years of prison rape.

    Are we going to see them actually try to use this gestapo shit?

    I'd like to see it. It's hard to imagine...

    but then I guess it was hard for the Jews to imagine too... seeing as how they all walked right into that gas chamber... took off their clothes... and waited.

    I guess I'm waiting...

    knock knock?

    U.S. blue collar vs. CEO income in 1992 was 1:80; in 1999 it was 1:475.

    by Lode Runner on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 10:21:32 PM PST

  •  .. and paranoia for all (none)
    One can only imagine the depth of absolute, delusional paranoia at the heart of these provisions.
    What, in a practical sense, are they actually supposed to accomplish? Are conditions for our citizens expected to become so dire before the end of his term that he'll be marked for death among the unwashed multitudes?
    And would a prospective assassin announce his intentions on a t-shirt?

    Sure, yes, there's the psy-ops angle, the matter of maintaining a very subtle level of anxiety in the general population (let alone
    'dissenters') which is the optimum medium for the furthering of neocon policies. There's also the matter of actively manifesting a reality in which dissent is marginalized into non-existence (a goal well on its way to fruition, with the help of the friendly media).

    In any truly practical sense that I can see, these provisions simply don't serve the administration one way or another. This is nothing but institutionalized insanity which is intended to spread to the rest of us.

  •  Interesting post! (none)
    Keep 'em coming.
  •  "pending legislation" wtf? (4.00)
    from the WaPo article in the first link:
    A Secret Service spokesman declined to comment on the issue because it involves pending legislation.

    Um, why would it be inappropriate for a non-legislator to comment on a piece of pending law?  There's tenuous justification for Scotty's unwillingness to comment on a criminal investigation (or at least there would be if it was consistent), but I can think of no reason that a law's not being passed yet should preclude anybody from discussing it.
  •  one word: (none)
    filibuster

    weather forecast

    The palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise. - Paine

    by Cedwyn on Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 11:34:37 PM PST

  •  WTF?!? (4.00)
    What next?  Re-education camps for the conservative-impaired?

    Do not let this WPE get away with turning America into Amerika.  There is much to be scared of from this latest, and most egregious-to-date power grab by this never-elected POTUS.  But we -- every citizen of the US -- have neither the time nor convenience to permit inaction from fear.

    If we fail to act now, in the face of W's unprecedented nose-thumbing at our Constitution, then none of us well-off, lazy-ass boomers deserve any of those blessed rights enshrined by the Founding Fathers and defended repeatedly with the blood of our own parents and grandparents.

    It is not we who are the threat/disruptors/terrorists.  It is this current POTUS and his cabal of neocon appointees and lemming Congressman, which includes not only the Rethug majority, but also any complacent Dem who allows such ghastly attacks on our cherished basic liberties without raising a non-stop hullabaloo at the top of their lungs.

    Who voted for this guy and his Stalinist policies? I am old enough to remember how, after Watergate and Nixon's resignation, that no one could remember voting for Tricky Dick.  Well, I am certain that in the not too distant future (now?) that a similar survey would yield identical results.  Yet, you are getting what you wished for, my fine, deaf friends: McCarthyism redux; a SCOTUS about to re-animate the robber barons of a century ago and rewind the clock on botched back alley abortions; and a world unsafe for our children in so many ways that I would need a month to list them all.

    Get off your sofas.  Fill over and again the airways, cyberspace, the streets, the mailboxes, phonelines and doorways of your Congressmen and Senators.  Make it loud and make it clear and be tireless in your efforts to demonstrate that We The People remain in charge.

    Work hard and long over these next ten months to un-elect your Rethug Representative or Senator.  Election Day '06 is nearer than you think.  Failure to throw out these reactionary a-holes and their fascist, plutocratic policies has never been less of an option.  We Dems ain't perfect by any measure; but we are better by every measure in our ability to govern and protect our still (for the moment) great nation.

    Bush makes it clearer with his every action that nothing less than our very way of life is at stake, folks.

    "Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense."  Winston Churchill 29Oct1941

    -4.38, -6.21

    •  most importantly... (none)
      I neglected to add how Alito filling the seat of Justice O'Connor will almost certainly have the SCOTUS legitimizing W's new Kristallnacht...right here in our very own U.S. of A.

      Those WWII buddies of my Dad who thought they had forever liberated the world from that midnight knock on your door have gotta be spinning in their graves.

      My God, what have all you Bushies done?  Somehow, methinks Gore and Kerry are no longer quite so unappealing to you.  At the least, I hope you all think twice before ever again touching that screen for any name followed by (R).

      If any bushco voters somehow still think this loser is in any way doing the right thing, or if any of you think that as wrong-headed as W may be, it matters little because none of his machete-ing of our Constitution will affect you...to all of you I say: "just wait."

      -4.38, -6.21

  •  Perfectly normal for a country under martial law (none)

    "No one else could ever be admitted here, since this gate was made only for you. I am now going to shut it."- Franz Kafka, "Before the Law"

    by normal family on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 01:38:31 AM PST

  •  Can't think of a better reason to get arrested for (none)
    hmmm, except for they'll probably strip me of my US Citizenship and then I have to go back to Chavez...

    I'm fucked, aren't I? ;-)

  •  And they say we're the ones... (4.00)
    ...still fighting the Vietnam War. That's what this is really about. Bush and Chaney hate--and I mean hate--the anti-war movement of the sixties and they're out for revenge. They won't back down in Iraq because it would mean another Vietnam and they're bound and determined to quash any revolution against their policies.

    But with such a majority now saying that the war in Iraq isn't worth the sacrifice, Bush & Chaney are terrified that history will repeat itself on their watch.

    It will take courage, but we need to stage some major pushback. This crap can't be allowed to stand. Who will lead us to freedom this time? Where is our Martin Luther King?

    "Guilty or not guilty?" "What else have you got?" ~Carl Sandburg, The People Yes

    by Bugsby on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 02:46:42 AM PST

    •  why the god damn hell..... (none)
      should those 2 pussies care. One had deferrments and the other an AWOL. As hard as I try, I cannot imagine bush behind the yoke of a jet fighter. I sure wouldn't want that dumb bastard as my wingman!

      a splendid time is guaranteed for all

      by KBueno on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 07:59:45 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Repeal the stolen freedom act (4.00)
    First, let's stop calling it the Patriot Act.  No Patriot would vote for this act, which attempts to undermine the basis on which this country was founded.

    Second, let's all write to our congresspeople to repeal it.  OK, most of them won't do anything, but let's write.  

    Third, does anyone know if this is on the road to be tested?  Has any 'dsiruptor' started the process of challenging this provision of the stolen freedom act?

    "When two men agree on everything, one of them is doing all the thinking" - Harry Truman

    by plf515 on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 03:06:57 AM PST

  •  -comment- (none)
    Remember the super scripted Democratic convention?

    This got through because the Abraham Ribicoffs, the Bob Casey Srs, the Jerry Browns, the Fannie Lou Hamers of the party are considered unownable.

    More of you, I imagine, will try to visit Democratic conventions than Republican ones.

    OUR security STANDS on OUR freedom of expression.

  •  Get busy people (4.00)
    Find an event in your area and make yourselves heard and visible.
    It's past time to fight back. The more these fucks try to take away my rights, the more I'll resist to whatever end.
    I've thought about relocating my family. It's a normal reaction to what we're witnessing. But in the end what will I be teaching my children if I turn tail and run? Fuck that. This is my country. This is my childrens country and no bunch of two bit, wanna be fascists will push me from it.

    STAND UP

    http://www.unitedforpeace.org/...

  •  Six months (none)
    we have.  Even said it all through the summer.
    "Last summer before Armageddon".
  •  Massive Civil Disobedience (4.00)
    is the proper response to this law.
    It is our moral duty to attend & be a disrupter at the next qualifying event.  We need to get thousands of people arrested.  The milquetoast democrats iz us if we don't go out there and violate this law.

    I will go.  I will wear my "Bill of Rights, VOID WHERE PROHIBITED BY LAW" t-shirt and carry a sign that says IMPEACH.

    Who's with me?

    Thanks for the repeat article on this topic.  

    W - all boots & hat, no cattle

    by Mosquito Pilot on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 04:23:36 AM PST

  •  This shouldn't even need to be said (4.00)
    Between now and Valentines Day begin quitting your jobs and dropping out of school. Start hitchhiking toward Washington to meet on the mall.

    Quitting your job and dropping out of school makes it a commitment and says you can't be bought. If you think its too much of an investment in your country think about the kids leaving various body parts behind in Iraq every day.

    Dress warmly but along the way don't buy anything that comes in a package except your pink slip for Bush. Your needs will be taken care of by those you meet on the road.

    Hitchhiking across the country with just a sign that says IMPEACH and getting picked up is an awesome way to meet people.

    Not buying anything for a week or two tends to have enough of an economic impact that it sends a message.

    Something is wrong here but you don't know what it is, do you mr. Alito...

  •  you don't have to do anything (4.00)
    If they THINK you MIGHT, you are "preemptively" ejected.

    Of course, that's what they've been doing all along.  But codifying it is SICK and sickness-inducing.

    "Every act of becoming conscious is an unnatural act." - Adrienne Rich

    by marjo on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 04:45:44 AM PST

  •  i have to say (4.00)
    i love Kos, and John at AMERICABlog and Atrios and JMM at TPM and all the other big bloggers...I credit them with making me an extremely politically aware and educated citizen...but I was frustrated last September when they didn't sign on to the antiwar protest. Because of the hippies and the crazy Commies.

    I totally understood their reservations, but at the same time, I do not see anyone else more fit to organize the type of pushback needed to make people aware of what is going on in this country.

    They have the audience, they have the passion, the clout and the credibility. And yet - nothing but writing. If they don't want to jump on the ANSWER bandwagon, fine - why not organize our own thing?

    None of them are my blogs, and I admit while I seem to be taking them to task on this I am not organizing my own thing. But I don't have the readership or allegiance they do. I have tried all I can to inform people about the next big rally, the next big push. I printed out flyers and went to my county Democratic org meetup last night to get the word out.

    But where is the real pushback from the people who have the influence - the bloggers? Just wondering. Am I the only one?

    Things seem to be getting really bad and I'm just trying to think of ideas here.

    I'll be here Feb. 4, if the Feds don't pull me over on the way down.

  •  Thanks for shedding light on this (none)
    Excellent diary. One minor nit: your first line is either missing a word or is kind of strangely constructed ("Bush wants to create the new criminal of 'disruptor' ..."). I couldn't make sense of it at first and I suspect others might have stumbled as well.  (You're on the rec list so it hasn't hurt you any readership-wise, but I thought if you're like me at all, you'd want to know regardless.)

    Is nothing secular?

    by aitchdee on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 04:52:24 AM PST

  •  Holy Crap (4.00)
    I usually take a little milk with my fascism this early in the morning... Geez.

    I can't believe how blatantly these people are ruining america.

  •  Thanks (none)
    for bringing this to our attention, but the definition was lengthy and probably not needed.  I'm sure a dispruptor is anyone that the Bush junta says is a disruptor.

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" - James Madison

    by Hotspur18 on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 05:38:06 AM PST

  •  enemy disruptors (none)
    First we had enemy combatants, now citizen disruptors. When do they(we) become enemy disruptors.

    That slippery slope just got steeper, and the black hole deeper.

    I hope America is starting to learn that Freedom from fear, requires freedom from freedom.

    Heil Bush.

    Mythology is what we call other people's religion-Joseph Campbell

    by Sherri in TX on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 05:54:55 AM PST

  •  So, why weren't the "supporters" of (4.00)
     Alito, replete with home made signs "I cried too Mrs. Alito" <gagging>...why weren't they penned up and surrounded by officers?  Why were they three feet from the car that dropped off the potential new SCOTUS judge? And why were they front and center on CNN this a.m. to begin this sham of a "hearing." Suddenly the media had no problem putting the "protesters" on TV.  Of course, the dissenters were no doubt penned around the corner out of sight.  Maybe they'll be sent to jail, like the people rounded up and put in GITMO on the Hudson during the RNC in NYC.  George W. Bush hates your freedoms.  
  •  How Much Longer Before DKos is Thought to be... (4.00)
    ...disruptive?

    Obviously other nations are taking steps to not only resrict free speech on the internet, but to use the internet as a tool of political control. Would anyone be surprised if that was already in the works here? to be roled out through a "security threatening" leak when it was a fait accompli?

    •  That would be dumb on their part (none)
      The WANT us all to waste our time here.  If this place were shut down, we might actually organize in the real world.

      In every stage of these Oppressions...: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury." DoI, TJ

      by ChuckLin on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 07:41:44 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I wondered what they'd do next. (4.00)
    Folks, expect more and more of this. They have less than three years to consolidate their power into a dictatorship. They have to. They know that if they fail in this power grab, if they lose out to the forces that are starting to wake up and see what they are doing, a large number of them are going to end up in jail, or worse.

    The more beleaguered they are, the more outrageous their actions will be.

    Do not expect your constitution to restrain them. All through the Mao years, the People's Republic of China had itself a beautiful constitution, full of fine-sounding civil rights. A piece of paper can't protect anything. What matters is what people do.

    I think these wannabe dictators will lose. I think enough Americans will care, once they understand what is going on, and I think this wakeup call will happen while many of them are still in a position to do something. But it's not guaranteed. I'm not basing that prediction on a comfortable, "It can't happen here." Indeed it can, and if the opposition is too slow, too hesitant, too unwilling to recognize what they are seeing, then it most certainly will happen.

    I'm just guessing that these guys have underestimated the depth of American belief in certain fundamental ideals. They've used that belief, perverted it, suborned it, but they can't eradicate it. And I think there is a good chance -- not a certainty, but a good chance -- that in the end, that strong belief will turn in their hands, and destroy them.

    Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is. - TNH

    by Canadian Reader on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 06:50:15 AM PST

  •  Just have every Democratic Governor (4.00)
    use it on abortion protesters who do more than stand quietly with a sign and it will be thrown out by court after court.
  •  What the fuck!? (4.00)
    Did I go to bed with a migraine and wake up in Myanmar?! Or perhaps I'm in Cambodia?!

    I'm sorry...but I'm not having it!

    I encourage everyone to email their Representatives about this absolutely ridiculous new plan....call them too...and scream your bloody heads off!

    This is absolutely unconstitutional!

    I'm SO mad right now I feel like I'm a cartoon character with steam flowing freely from my ears!

    I swear....if he gets away with this AND ScAlito gets confirmed...I'll have MORE reasons to leave this country than I ever will have to stay in it!

    •  Please Elise and anyone else......... (4.00)
      don't let these f'ers scare you away. That's exactly what they want and by threatening to leave they will win. We must all stick together and fight their nazism to the bitter end. We did it in the 60's by making our voices heard here and around the world and we can do it again and again if necessary. TRUTH WINS OVER TYRANNY.

      a splendid time is guaranteed for all

      by KBueno on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 09:01:33 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  How Will They Stop the Protesters? (4.00)
    Americans don't usually take kindly to watching their children, or parents for that matter, being beaten and taken away to jail for exercising their first amendment rights.  In the 60's the media got it on tape.  I realize that we have no MSM anymore, but does anybody out there have a camera?  We still have the internets (so far.)
  •  Scary Stuff (4.00)
    This is scary stuff, particularly when you have a Supreme Court Justice nominee (Alito)who had written that the Executive Branch was superior to the other branches in its powers.

    The next step will be to re-adopt the Alien and Sedition Acts.  They were the low points of American civil liberties - and were enacted only a few years after the Bill of Rights.  They were adopted during the administration of John Adams to criminalize harsh public criticism of the President.  Several people were sent to jail under the acts, and many legal immigrants were threatened with permanent deportation.  The first think Thomas Jefferson did when he took office was to free the people imprisoned under the Act.

  •  Perfect. (none)
    The more Americans that get arrested for this, the more news attention will be attracted to the admin's Nazi activities. The more constitutional cases will be brought against Bush's policies and he will lose.

    They are over reaching and they will recoil with a bloody stump; or maybe I'm just in an imaginary America.

    [ Anyone who thinks my bark is worse than my bite, has never seen me bite. ] -6.63 | -5.38

    by dj angst on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 09:20:02 AM PST

  •  I guarantee it's easier (none)
    for a bomb-toting terrorist to attend a Bush event than it is for a Democratic activist.

    If not me, who? If not now, when?

    by rcvanoz on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 09:37:07 AM PST

  •  The answer to this is massive protest (4.00)
    If this joke becomes "law", then we, as a people, will have force the issue.

    Co-ordinate protests to overload the system so badly they can no longer administer it. Make them lose control of the situation by sheer numbers of non-violent protests.  

    It means we must force the government to turn on the water hoses and unleash the dogs in the process. This is what is required.

    This is how we will have to take the country back from the brink.

    "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

    by shpilk on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 09:41:02 AM PST

  •  As a member of the ACLU (none)
    are they monitoring me when I look at porn? LOL
  •  Mein Herr (none)
    The Gestapo have taken over!  Who said history repeats itself?

    The shrub needs to be pulled he is terrifying

    by libbie on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 09:58:49 AM PST

  •  What about abortion protestors (none)
    Is he going to lock them up?

    Oh wait.  We won't have abortions around for very long.

    Want a handle? You should see my hips.

    by annaconda1 on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 10:12:02 AM PST

  •  The latest bunch of outlaws... (4.00)
    were covered in the papers for their efforts when Bush visited Louisville yesterday.

    I'm at least encouraged by the tone of this article. In the past, protesters were liable to be painted as being out there on the fringe with their views. That is definitely not the case in how these folks are portrayed.

    The Republican Party: Reinventing government, the same way they reinvented New Orleans

    by QuestionableSanity on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 10:15:57 AM PST

  •  Just for the record ... (4.00)
     ... and in case anyone starts to read from the bottom,

    this is from the Wikipedia entry on The Gestapo

    "The law had been changed in such a way that the Gestapo's actions were not subject to judicial review. Nazi jurist Dr. Werner Best stated, 'As long as the [Gestapo] ... carries out the will of the leadership, it is acting legally.'"

    This is relevant here, and also re: the unitary executive (the President executes the law) which Alito so strongly supports.

    Your bundle of sticks has arrived.

    BushAmerica -- Now killing 24/7/365. *Your tax dollars at work*.

    by Yellow Canary on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 10:35:39 AM PST

  •  Thom Hartmann (4.00)
    Is talking about this at this very moment on Air America...

    Listen.

    Heaven help us!

  •  I experienced this (4.00)
    at a Cheney protest in New Brunswick NJ.

    Two Secret Service Agents physically picked me up and removed me from a public sidewalk in front of a hotel where Cheney was conducting a fundraiser.

    I was threatened with arrest. The reason was that I was outside the officially designated "protest zone". The agents had trenchcoats on, which they opened to show me their automatic weapons. No joke.

    A similar thing occured at a designated protest zone at another Cheney fundraiser at a NJ military base. Protesers were roped off about 100 yards away from the base entry point, just far enough away so the attendees didn't have to see the signs and hear the chants.

    I also was caged in at the Bush 2nd Inagural (coronation).

    Welcome to Bush's America

    (this is written as I listen to federal judges testify in support of Alito, therby corrpupting the judiciary)

  •  Go fuck yourself Mr. Bush! (4.00)
    Remember Cheney?  google:go fuck yourself

    And our noble disruptor who fed his words back to him?

    I bet this patriot act language is a response to that so that.  What sort of college hi-jinx do they have planned for chosen dissenters?  Rendistion, naked pyramids and glow-sticks up the kiesters until we confess our crimes?

    It would be a comedic Spanish Inqustion if it wasn't actually put forward by this administration.

  •  Repression & visual propaganda (none)
    is part of the Bush scheme as well.

    Example: Inauguration (Coronation). The press staging areas were aligned so that the viewsheds for the TV cameras and photographers were limited only to areas where Bush supporters were staged. These areas required tickets to enter, and protesters with signs were physically removed. "Free speeech" adn "protest" zones were out of these viewsheds, by design.  

    I personally experienced this. Before I was removed by Secret Service from a Republican restricted area in front of the capitol, I was assaulted many times by Rethugs. And I am a middled aged white short haired male who looks republican.

    The results were that all visual images, on TV and in newspapers, showed unified support, with little or no dissent/protest presented to the American people. This is a sophisticated and totalitarian set of integrated propaganda and suppression tactics.

  •  more murtha trashing (none)
    Now Bush is trying to swift boat Murtha

    Forturnately, it looks like no one is biting.

  •  I love the smell of fascism in the evening (none)
    So bracing.

    Seriously. This is BS. Thanks for the heads up, diarist. You rule.

  •  How keen would Bush (none)

    With this shit when we turn it against abortion protesters at women's health clinics?

    They are "disruptors" and terrorists if ever there were any.  Sucks when the people YOU favor are the ones getting hoisted on YOUR petard.

    Reichstag fire is to Hitler as 9/11 is to Bush

    by praedor on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 05:13:51 PM PST

  •  "disrupter" ? (none)
    Uh-oh. Not only is this unbelievably unconstitutional, BEWARE  and be very concerned when the Chimperor makes a new category of criminal for you. So...since this is a new category of criminal behavior--do we assume "disrupters" are not entitled to due process?
    Can they be locked away indefinitely and tortured? We know what happened to the last group of people who got a new category for their behavior. Gitmo.

    Impeach the imperial idiot

    by Jan Pults on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 05:16:34 PM PST

  •  "Crisis Constitution" (none)
    stonemason posted a diary and it only got 3 comments.  I thought it merited much more.  It seems to be pertinent to this diary, too:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    danz

  •  For What it's Worth...... (none)
    the song made famous by the Buffalo Springfield holds true in todays world as well. Listen to some the lyrics: "There's something happenin' here, what is it aint exactly clear, there's a man with a gun over there, tellin' men I got to beware...the battle lines being drawn, nobodys right if everybodys wrong". PROTEST, PROTEST, PROTEST....I've come up with a good saying,
    Nixon flew, Bush can too!!!

    a splendid time is guaranteed for all

    by KBueno on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 08:06:58 PM PST

  •  another thing.... (none)
    I don't know why but I watched Der Fuehrer on CNN this afternoon when he spoke in MISS. Had his hick talk going on, trying to come across as a regular guy, using the word "folks". what a 2 faced so of a bitch. It was embarrassing to watch.

    a splendid time is guaranteed for all

    by KBueno on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 08:10:47 PM PST

  •  Disruptor Facts - where to find (none)
    Note on "Disruptor" discussions. The term "disruptor" is NOT found in any of the relevant legislation. It was coined by some of the commentary about the issue. So, do not search on the term "disruptor" as it will not get you the appropriate language. The issue is quite real, but the term "disruptor" will NOT lead you to the relevant information. Luckily I have put together some solid information on this issue if you are trying to get a handle on this issue.

    Here is the link to more info www.victoryalliance.org/temp/pa2up.htm
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