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I'm no Kerry fan but we need to get the right perception on the air tonight.  The right is going to try to kill the filibuster we need to get to every poll that is out there to frame the discussion and the public perception of the filibuster.  Pass this on.

http://www.cnn.com/

Why do you think John Kerry wants to filibuster Samuel Alito?  

Conviction      41%  

Politics      59%  

UPDATE push this up now it's at 61% politics to 39% is that what we want being announced on Lou Dobbs tonight? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ Front page "Vote to get on with it?" Should the Senate give Alito an up-or-down vote? * 17538 responses Yes, he has been thoroughly examined and the outcome is certain anyway. Get on with it. 56% No, he would be a dangerous addition to the court. Any means possible, including a filibuster, is justified to stop his nomination. 44%

Originally posted to Tanya on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:11 PM PST.

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  •  that high for conviction?? (ducks) ;) (3.77)

    Stranger in a Strange Land EXPOSED ME today on Cheers & Jeers; Gotta Sweater?

    by PhillyGal on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:10:14 PM PST

  •  Fucking pathetic, CNN. (none)
    Goddamn this could be ugly if we dont have the votes, and it seems like we dont.

    Reigning Welterweight Female Piefighter since 1998

    by ablington on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:13:54 PM PST

    •  Fresh CNN Poll (4.00)
      Why do you think CNN wants to hire Bill Bennett?

      T/W wants to acquire gambling companies - 19%

      DoD will pay Bennett's salary - 24%

      To balance out Glenn Beck's commentary - 11%

      Because CNN hates black people -- 46%

    •  As someone pointed out in a different (none)
      diary, we don't have to come up with 40.  They have to come up with 60.  Abstains don't count towards cloture.  It doesn't matter anyway.  They have to try.

      Let me get this straight: My father fought in WWII so George Bush could eavesdrop on my phone calls?

      by EeDan on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 07:20:57 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  People do not know (4.00)
    It's not like CNN is letting them know what all is at stake either..people just don't know what is at stake! They don't! There is an ignorance fostered by the media, and they won't tell WHY they are filibustering do they? It's really making me sick and nervous at how IGNORANT people are, with the help of this sick media! ugh...
    •  As if (none)
      Bush isn't using this to make political payback to his base?

      Why do Americans slander politics? Why do they think there is something wrong with it?

      And why does Karl Rove have such a great rep among the rightwing.... he is nothing BUT political?

  •  just (none)
    did. Numbers even worse now!

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:14:22 PM PST

  •  39/61 (none)
    but the numbers are low.  

    -8.75;-5.28. But it don't mean nuttin if you don't put your money where your mouth is

    by ultrageek on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:14:46 PM PST

  •  Damn, this sucks (none)
    39/61 now. Just voted.
  •  Politics is winning 61% to 39% (none)
    I assume we want "conviction" to win, that's what I picked, but knowing Kerry...

    Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on. --Winston Churchill

    by rmwarnick on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:15:29 PM PST

    •  Howso? (4.00)
      What could Kerry actually gain politically from this? I mean, at this point it looks VERY likely he will fail at it. I don't see how that gets him points.

      And anyway, I sorta missed the part where POLITICIANS playing POLITICS was bad. That sorta sounds like criticising MUSICIANS for playing MUSIC.

      conscientious objector in the battle of the sexes.

      by plymouth on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:59:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Just another sign of (none)
        pure American stupidity at its finest.

        Can anyone tell me why my American flag was made in China?

        by Skid on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:19:40 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  It gets him points with alot of the people here... (none)
        ... on this site and the left blogsphere.

        And those are likely the only people who will remember this in the long run.

        Except those on the far right, whose opinion doesn't make much difference for Kerry, they don't like him either way.

        An unsuccessful filibuster likely earns him more then it costs him.

        "It is an insult to those who came before us and sacrificed so much on our behalf to imply that we have more to be fearful of than they." - Al Gore

        by Siberian on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 05:18:07 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Earns Him More What? (none)
          When was the last time this community was the main cog in a national election victory?

          I'm sorry--I love DK, but saying Kerry is doing this for political points and juice by curry-favoring to the left blogsphere (as represented by DK) is kind of like saying that the loser of the student council race is sucking up to the band geeks by hanging with them at the back of the school bus--after the election loss.

          There are no political points here. There's lots of idealism and principle and intelligence and goodness--but let's repeat, there are no political points.

          Dude, this is where the nerds of national politics hang out--the ones a (razor-thin) majority of the school has already rejected. There's no power to be gained by hanging here--just derision from the UberAlles crowd and its Eva Braun cheerleaders, the media.

          Face it--we're the nerds.

          Any cynical smugness about the powers of the Kerry-bashers' BS-meters just reveals the inane sense of self-importance they have regarding this issue.

          Kerry has found his inner-nerd, and it is us. And we should embrace him for it.

  •  39% Conviction, 61% politics n/t (none)

    Nothing short of an aroused public can change things, nothing less than democracy is at stake- Bill Moyers

    by maggiemae on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:15:41 PM PST

  •  Everyone (none)
    Go freep the damned poll.

    Kossacks: a large population of Medieval exegetes who each day grapple with the fabulistic opportunities of the early third milennium.

    by DCDemocrat on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:19:28 PM PST

  •  done. thanks. n/t (none)

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    by OLinda on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:19:43 PM PST

  •  Done, but mind you (3.71)
    I think both of those words are too long for the average CNN reader to understand.

    -9.0, -8.3. The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.

    by SensibleShoes on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:20:53 PM PST

  •  If it falls off the screen could somebody (none)
    post it again.  I have to go-- happy voting!!!!

    To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men~~ Abraham Lincoln

    by Tanya on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:21:21 PM PST

  •  Why did George Bush (4.00)
    nominate Alito?

    Conviction?
    Politics?  you bet

    HotFlashReport - Opinionated liberal views of the wrongs of the right

    by annrose on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:23:20 PM PST

  •  Restate Is Freeping It DOwn (none)
    And I bet a few imbeciles from this site are too.

    9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

    by NewDirection on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:23:29 PM PST

    •  Shouldn't be enough (none)
      Redstate has like 1/50th of the traffic we get.  Even Free Republic can't keep up with us when it comes to polls.

      I wonder if the poll is vulnerable to bots?  Could someone be running a script on it?  The count looks awfully high.

      If so, does anyone know how to counter that?

  •  Which one is it? (none)
    Just askin'...

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    by Bob Johnson on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:27:38 PM PST

  •  What does it matter? He is LISTENING to us. (none)
    And he gets the hero's lead on an unpopular move.  Remember that 64% of Americans are NOT happy with the Bush Administration.  If he plays the filibuster right and his fellow dems don't abandon him, a la Willem Dafoe in Platoon, he has my exhausted, hoarse-voiced gratitude for trying - regardless his motive.
  •  Who cares if it is just politics (4.00)
    Why would it be so bad if he was making a political statement. The Rethugs consistently accuse the Democrats of being partisan. The answer should always be "so what if I am. what's your point?"

    The Democrats had better start being a little more aggressive with their message unless they want this country to be under one-party rule permantly.

    •  Agreed. (none)
      Decrying a politician for playing politics is a lot like decrying a musician for playing music.

      conscientious objector in the battle of the sexes.

      by plymouth on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:01:01 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I agree with this, too (none)
      "Politics" is what politicians do.  AND they act out of conviction.  Most politicians, like most other people, have multiple motivations.

      And is it really so bad for politicians to do things "for politics" (in other words, doing what they think their constituents want them to do)?  I'm kinda glad when that happens.

  •  Still 39 to 61 (none)
    The poll is rigged, there had to be hundreds of votes that hit it in the last few minutes and it doesn't budge.

    Someone give me a good sig line!

    by OregonCoast on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:30:13 PM PST

  •  Back to 41/59 (none)
    Consider it kossed (or kosed?)
  •  ther is only 8000+ (none)
    votes on that poll .  we move them better than this , somethings wrong  .
  •  But Honestly, IMO, (none)
    Kerry's finally talking fillibuster MORE out of politics - to benefit HIM - than real conviction....

    If Kerry wanted this - and wanted it to work - he'd have been pushing it all along and working WITH other to do so....

    Like it or not, this is looking like a "Liberal Massachussetts" move - which is exactly how it'll be painted with Kennedy involved..... just the image you DON'T want  -  Massachussets against the world...... those liberal elitists that don't know a thing and sure don't represent the rest of the country....

    THAT's gonna be the framing..... BAD news.

    •  I see it as women (none)
      against the loony religous right.  This goes way beyond party lines.  This is serious bedrock principles shit.
    •  Okay, (none)
      so we now rise up in a chorus and refuse any filibuster but a filibuster from Ben Nelson.  We must have a pure filibuster, not one that is tainted.

      Good God.

      Kossacks: a large population of Medieval exegetes who each day grapple with the fabulistic opportunities of the early third milennium.

      by DCDemocrat on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:10:45 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  man, you've been beaten to a pulp (none)
      Kerry needs to go on all the talk shows and explain why he did this, create his own framing, which then needs to be repeated over and over again by every dem on every other show.
  •  i've been saying for days... (none)
    Kerry is absolutely the wrong choice to lead the filibuster.  Whether or not it is political and opportunistic, that's how it will be perceived.  Putting Kerry (or Clinton for that matter) out front undermines the credibility of the filibuster.

    Much better to have either Feingold or Reid do it. But I don't think either of them would be blabbing about it in the media, even if it's their intention.

    Why are there no dinosaurs in the Bible?

    by Leggy Starlitz on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 03:56:33 PM PST

    •  I agree (none)
      it REEKS of political opportunism, whether it is or not (which I suspect it is, since he never stopped running for president, and actually believes people will back a loser in the immdiate election after he lost) Someone unexpected should be backing the fillibusted, someone like Bayh or anyone else you wouldn't expect to, not tired old Kerry.

      Ok, shoot me.

      I HATE REPUBLICANS, HATE HATE HATE THEM!!!!!!!!! UGHHHHH [-5.50, -4.69]

      by michael1104 on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:02:46 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Reid's been saying he didn't have the votes. (4.00)
      Plenty of folks here were screaming for someone to stand up.

      Now Kerry has, and you say, oh no wrong guy! Well, if someone else had done it, then he wouldn't have had to.

      As for "blabbing" to the media, I'm betting CNN called him.  After the blogosphere started generating heat on Senators.

      Now if the Senators didn't hear from people that they should support a filibuster, why would they?

      I just don't get this "keep it a secret" idea. It seems to me that it was already a lost cause, and Kerry argued the case for a filibuster to the other Dems, and now there's some chance, if they hear from enough constituents.

      No, I just don't get this "keep it a secret" idea. I don't see where that was getting us.

      •  Yes, there is nothing wrong with opportunism (none)
        if it helps promote the best needs of the people, rather than merely undermining best decisions by turning out to be a cynical PR stance for the politician, IMHO.

        Senator Kerry is free to gain all the personal PR he wants from this effort, just so long as his lead is more practical and useful . . . part of a wider, coordinated effort with the Dem caucus to block Alito's movement towards becoming a Justice.

        I'm an extremely cynical person, but we should stop looking gift horses in the mouth by taking on completely unproductive, self-mutilating positions rather than reasoning out what is helpful and what is useless towards meeting our goals.  This effort looks more helpful than useless, I'd suggest.

      •  you may be right (none)
        I've been working on the assumption that Reid would go for a filibuster anyway, even if he didn't announce it to the world - that's his modus operandi.  And if I'm right, then Kerry IS grandstanding.  

        But if Reid wouldn't go through with it, then I'm okay with Kerry doing it, grandstanding or no.  I still wish someone else would actually do the filibustering, though - someone who won't have it connected to a personal agenda.  I was really hoping for Reid himself, seeing as he's pro-life (taking the focus off Roe and back to executive power where it belongs), and has no presidential ambitions.

        In the end, I'd rather have Kerry do the filibuster than to have no filibuster at all.  And it's not about Alito for me - it's about brinksmanship politics and calling Frist's nuclear bluff.  The problem here is that if Frist can get cloture, then no bluff gets called.  Democrats lose some credible threat of power.  On the other hand, it'll satiate the angry base some, which is needed right now.  

        However it gets done, I want it to translate into more Senate seats for Democrats in 2006.  Period. Kerry needs to deliver THAT.

        Why are there no dinosaurs in the Bible?

        by Leggy Starlitz on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 08:56:06 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Anyone else (none)
    get to vote twice? Went back to see if the totals changed - and it let me vote again.

    -6.25 -5.33 and damn proud of it

    by dansk47 on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:01:14 PM PST

  •  Filibuster/CNN (none)
    Just freeped it.  Looks bad. MSM should bear much responsibility if we continue down this slippery slope to the extreme right/loss of civil rights/loss of a true democracy/dumbing of America/etc. Looks as if it's up to the people to make changes. Who is our leader, and don't tell me it's Clark. We don't need a military leader.
  •  Poll Tally 4:06 pm pst (none)
    Conviction    41% 6802 votes
    Politics      59% 9760 votes
    Total: 16562 votes
    4:06 pm PST
  •  PST the poll shows (none)
    41% conviction
    59% politics
  •  Need to start freeping this poll!! (none)

    Bush is NOT America!

    by annefrank on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:08:42 PM PST

  •  Next CNN poll (4.00)
    The next CNN poll to go up on their page should read:
      Republican lockstep voting for Alito
                    * Conviction
                    * Politics

    Utah - the experimental laboratory state for theocracy

    by shadowplayer on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:12:02 PM PST

  •  What a stupid poll ... (4.00)
    ...This idea that appointing Supreme Court justices is somehow above, outside of, beyond politics. These appointments are political, they always have been, even if they've (mostly) not been as contentiously argued as they have been for the past quarter century.

    What is the majority of those respondents saying in that poll: Kerry doesn't really believe Alito would be bad for the country, he's just trying to firm up his support for another run at the White House. Good grief.

  •  God forbid the poll (4.00)
    be a referendum on Alito, not Kerry.

    Check out my lte archive at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomletters and feel free to use my ideas for your own lte's.

    by DemDachshund on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:13:34 PM PST

  •  Stuck at... (none)
    Conviction      41%  

    Politics      59%  

    Empty the treasury with a bogus war, then gut the social service programs. Bush & Company.

    by mattes on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:15:49 PM PST

  •  New CNN Poll (4.00)
    CNN isn't polling about Alito's postions because

    1. It's about truthiness.

    2. CNN is the most trusted name in news.

    </snark>
  •  What does it mean? (none)
    I don't think people have a clue what "conviction" means in this context. They think it's something BAD.

    Carolyn

  •  still (none)
    41 to 59 :(

    I added my vote at least.

    If you don't visit my website, you are aiding the terrorists. Why do you hate America?

    by OrangeClouds115 on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:19:01 PM PST

  •  Politics (none)
    For all I care DiFi can support it for political reasons, and if she does I may support her for political reasons, not because I'm convinced she gives a crap about me, but because she represents the way I think about this issue if she votes for the filibuster.  If she does not do it for political reasons I will support someone else for political reasons.

    This is really an important issue, not whether the Rich 1% get 37%of the wealth or 38% or whether they drill some damn oil well somewhere, as important as both those issues are they are subsumed in this issue, because the place where the final decisions land is in the SC.

    So support for political reasons, support from conviction, support cause you flipped a f####ing (spelling?) coin, I don't care, but support the filibuster.

    "I felt as if I alone of all my townsmen had paid my tax." Thoreau

    by NearlyNormal on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:19:20 PM PST

  •  John Kerry is full of shit. (1.33)
    He's trying to grandstand, and show up Harry Reid in the process.

    He's had it in for Reid since last January.

    I am so sick of Kerry pulling these bullshit stunts.

    He fucked up when he had his chance, and because of it we get assholes like Alito on the SCOTUS.

    Fuck Kerry.

    "I am not a crook" - The Honorable Richard M. Nixon

    by tricky dick on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:24:28 PM PST

    •  I respectfully disagree. (4.00)
      I believe Kerry rediscoverd his balls when he lost.  And yeah, it sucked that he lost, but let's give credit where it is due.  He's not doing this to show up Reid--where on earth do you come up with that reading of Kerry's actions?

      "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." -Governor George W Bush (R-TX)

      by espresso on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:28:27 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Um, that (none)
        would be Gore who found his balls after "losing". Kerry found his two weeks ago, that doesn't count. Don't look now, but he has just posted a diary to reap the benifits of his new found bravery.

        We are all wearing the blue dress now.

        by PLS on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:33:45 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  I'm backing off. (none)
        A little.

        I'm pissed off at the moment.

        I really, really, really hate losing.

        And I can't fucking stand that smirking bastard in the White House.

        John Kerry gets under my skin abit, someones got to be in charge, and that's Reid.

        If there is way to hurt the GOP on this, Reid will find it.

        If there is nothing more we can do, I don't see the point of this.

        I hate losing, November can't get here fast enough.

        "I am not a crook" - The Honorable Richard M. Nixon

        by tricky dick on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:35:46 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Isn't it possible Reid asked Kerry to do this? (none)

      "shhhh...do you smell something" -ghostbusters

      by David in Burbank on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 06:58:00 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  42 to 58% now... (none)

    Dudehisattva... <div style="color: #0000a0;">"Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"&l

    by Dood Abides on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:25:55 PM PST

  •  42 out of 100 (4.00)
    Is enought to win a cloture vote ;-)
  •  Poll not a poll (none)
    This isn't a poll, but hey, what the hell...CNN isn't news half(?) the time....
  •  42/58, 23831 votes. n/t (none)

    Jumping on the politicalcompass.org bandwagon: (-3.63, -3.03) - Does that make me part of the right wing here?

    by someone else on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:29:32 PM PST

  •  Hit these two also (none)
    Should the Senate give Alito an up-or-down vote?
    poll

    Is unauthorized spying okay in times of war?
    poll

    (-7.50 -6.31) If the Republicans will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them. --Adlai Stevenson

    by arkdem on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:30:13 PM PST

  •  Can I be sicker of insta-polls? (none)
    I think not.
  •  Dishonest (none)
    Don't you think this poll freeping is kind of dishonest?  or is it seen as just some fun on a thursday night?

    i find the calls to "freep" all these polls pretty disturbing.

    •  I think the theory here (none)
      is that the Right plays this same tactic by rote, therefore we're doing nothing more than balancing the scales of perception.  And if the scales of perception were cleansed....
  •  Percentage is rising... (none)
    42% on my vote

    "My own mind is my own church." Tom Paine

    by Snoutboy on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:35:32 PM PST

  •  We're beyond perception (none)
    I don't give a shit why anybody wants to fillibuster Alito. I don't care what anybody thinks anybody's motivation is. If Alito is stopped by fillibuster, the perceptions of Democrats as effective will soar. Right now the core perception people have of Democrats is impotence. Better change that because NOBODY votes for impotence. If shady motives for getting things done meant anything, the GOP would be sunk. They stink of shady dishonest motives for everything they do and everybody knows it. What people respond to is that they are potent. They can get things done.

    What would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? unknown

    by moon in the house of moe on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:36:16 PM PST

  •  the only poll that matters (none)
    I emailed my Senators, and I said please and thank you.

    "...in the future everything is chrome. Sponge Bob Square Pants

    by agent double o soul on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:36:38 PM PST

  •  Another fruitless wish: (none)
    I wish there were a, "Who cares what his motivation is? It's the right thing to do," option.

    In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher. Dalai Lama

    by leolabeth on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:39:32 PM PST

  •  Well Kerry has posted so the malcontents can (none)
    now give him their grief and disrespect in first person.
  •  Slowly Shifting. Keep it up! (none)
    Its now 42 to 58 in favor of Politics.

    "The collapse of confidence in the Republican leadership is not enough to elect Democratic leadership." -Dean

    by MarionCountyDemocrat on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:43:42 PM PST

  •  42% conviction, 58% politics now (6:47pm Central) (none)
    n/t
  •  Is kerry still in town I heard he was in Davos... (none)
    If so I hate to say jumping on a lost cause could be pandering.

    I am not a kerry basher but if that is true then I have less respect for the position taken at the eleventh hour..

  •  Talk about a fucking push poll (none)
    and I don't curse without reason.

    Why are they questioning Kerry's motives? Thank goodness the press has a liberal bias, otherwise, there might be a Republican majority (oops, never mind). Such a pathetic poll.

    Why didn't they ask something like this:

    George Bush claimed that Michael Brown did a "heck of a job" do you think he was motivated by:

    Conviction
    or
    Politics

    Geez

    The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

    by NYC Sophia on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 05:02:18 PM PST

    •  So true. (none)
      Can you imagine them asking this question about something Bush did? It would never happen- cause Bush "stands up for what is right- even if its unpopular."

      Heres one more example of the traditional media propagating Republian talking points in the subtext of news coverage.

      •  Exactly (none)
        The choices are infinite if you try to come up with a similar poll asking about Bush's motives.

        Psst... did you know that Al Gore claims he invented the internet.

        The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

        by NYC Sophia on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 05:24:44 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Another stupid CNN question (none)
    They are both fine answers.

    Of course it's politics. He's a politician fighting another politician's appointment of a judge.
    Politics is what Senators do. CNN is stupid. So there.

    Who would have tought that watching "The Land Before Time (IX)- Journey to Big Water" would become a subversive act?

    by mungley on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 05:07:14 PM PST

  •  A Both Option (none)
    It should have had an option for "both".

    cnn has pattern of stupid polls like this from time to time.

  •  I bet CNN has never posted a poll (none)
    asking if Bush is acting out of conviction or politics.  They suck.
  •  What would happen if (none)
    a poll were "malkin'd"...?

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    by EconAtheist on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 05:17:32 PM PST

  •  Update: (none)
    Back at 42 - 58 against Kerry. Come on, we can do better!
  •  For God's Sake (none)
    don't waste your time fucking with a CNN poll, get on the horn and call your elected repressentatives, then call their wives and husbands and mistresses and their PAC and the businesses that support the thugs and give them the message.

    Jeez!

  •  This is a poll? (none)
    About what? CNN isn't paying attention to what this nomination is about. Why not a poll on whether this "poll" is for flash or for the First Amendment, is because of the responsibilities of the Fourth Estate or because they're whores?

    F 'em.

    It's the Constitution, stupid.

    by mikidee on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 05:32:13 PM PST

  •  CNN's Lou Dobbs - an absolute TOOL (none)
    This is coming from someone who watched him for the last couple years with some measure of respect.

    I feel like this guy was a sleeper cell for the rightwing media.

    Tonight, he had on.... John Bolton.  Treated him like a best buddy.  Worse, he took the meme "Culture of Corruption" and he twisted it to mean the culture of corruption in the U.N.

    He is purposefully trying to confuse viewers into thinking that "culture of corruption" does not refer to Republican scandals, but instead it means the corruption in the U.N.  Not long ago he ended one of his segments on Abramoff by saying in a pompous way that it is simply a bipartisan scandal, and pushed the rightwing talking points.  Deceiptful, dishonest, TOOL.

    This is a man who appeared to be able to pretty fair and balanced, but now, when the going gets tough, and now that he's got viewers trusting him, I swear, it seems like Rove activated a sleeper cell.  

    I am so angry at him I could spit.

    "Let him that would move the world first move himself." --Socrates

    by joanneleon on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 05:47:29 PM PST

  •  as of 5:54 PST 42% conviction (none)
    However, I would think "preventing the country from being turnde into a totalitarian corporatocracy" would be a better reason.
  •  This is precisely why... (none)
    ...Kerry can't win.  He simply isn't believable.

    I believe him, and have voted so and sent him the "yeah, filibuster" e-mail, since Alito will give Bush everything he wants, or at least his history says so.

    But the rest of the public doesn't.  CNN polls are notoriously progressive in terms of results, because informed people think the GOP is crazy.

  •  "Conviction" is now at 42 percent (none)
    Keep Kosing, freeping, whatever.

    When you couldn't get a real journalism job, there's Fox News.

    by The Truffle on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 06:07:08 PM PST

  •  Byrd's gone wiff (none)
    what's up with that guy?  CNN (the red channel) used a poll by the New York Times to say that people feel because of the war on terror that Bush is ok to breach the Constitution with his powers.  Am I living in America?  We fought and died for our freedoms and to carelessly throw them away to a dictator is appalling.  People are fighting now for freedom and democracy and Bush just casually says it's ok to spy on Americans without any FISA checks and balances.  OH well if Alito gets on the bench you can bend over and kiss this nation goodbye anyway.

    The shrub needs to be pulled he is terrifying

    by libbie on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 06:07:45 PM PST

  •  9pm est (none)

    Conviction 42%   19650 votes
    Politics  58%  27080 votes
    Total: 46730 votes

    Wingers must not think much.

  •  The right is in overdrive (none)
    we're getting killed in this poll and the MSNBC poll  and the numbers are almost identical

    To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men~~ Abraham Lincoln

    by Tanya on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 06:12:06 PM PST

  •  Who cares WHY he's doing it? (none)
    I think the more pertient question is "Do you think Samuel Alito should be on the Supreme Court"--because if the answer is "no," Kerry is the one taking action to block his nomination.

    Honestly, I'm just glad to see a Democrat doing something risky and tough--it doesn't matter to me whether he's doing it to "energize the base" or because of his "personal convictions."  Nor does it matter to me whether it's a fight I'd personally pick.  

    It is, quite simply, time to take a powerful stand on a very high profile issue such as this--killing the nomination would stick a fork in the Bush administration...it would be so done.  And not a moment too soon.

  •  who cares? (none)
    fillibuster.
  •  Really sad (none)
    I don't want to get Apocalypic ride due to stupidity.  Please make this go away.
  •  Deliberately offensive? (none)
    Perhaps it's just some intern who was given five minutes to come up with copy for a poll, but doesn't the wording of this poll seem deliberately offensive?  Can anyone inside a media or PR organization offer some information about how deliberate this is?

    It seems like CNN could always boost its page views by having a poll with one or more keywords that would annoy a group.  The polls are not scientific in any case, so it's not like it's a sacrifice in any way.

    •  THAT is the real issue here (none)
      Why is this poll even out there in the first damn place? When was the last time CNN put out a poll asking whether a Republican was motivated by politics or conviction?

      This is just another example of how the traditional media is working for the Republican party.

  •  It might be politics and that is good (none)
    HE PROMISED TO FILLIBUSTER NOMINEES LIKE THIS.

    Keeping a promise might be politics, but so what. Keeping a promise is rare.

  •  I couldn't get the links to work in the diary (none)
    Thnaks to clammyc

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ Front page "Vote to get on with it?"

     Should the Senate give Alito an up-or-down vote? * 17538 responses

    Yes, he has been thoroughly examined and the outcome is certain anyway. Get on with it.
    56%

    No, he would be a dangerous addition to the court.
    Any means possible, including a filibuster, is justified to stop his nomination. 44%

    To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men~~ Abraham Lincoln

    by Tanya on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 07:15:39 PM PST

  •  Dear CNN (none)
    Congratulation on the false dichotomy poll of the week:
    Why do you think John Kerry wants to filibuster Samuel Alito?
    Conviction ... or Politics?

    Because as you know, it's impossible to have both. And even if you do have both, they still should be weighed separately and one found wanting. And the controversy provoked by separating them is more important than demonstrating any courtesy toward John Kerry or our political system.

    Thanks for continuing to degrade our national dialog!

  •  CNN's polls are a joke. (none)
    Every time, it's the radical right blogs freeping em... and us trying to keep them reasonable.

    I bet 60% of the votes are freeped.

    What kind of poll is that suppose to be.

    It's not at all ethical for CNN to claim as they always do that the polls represent anything but who on the blogs decided to free em.

    And we're not even radical... we're mostly old grandmas...

    The polls are also very misleading.

    CNN's bias is pretty transparent. It's pathetic.

    We really do just need to go ahead and accept that unbiased news is a load of crap... information, like on Kos and other sites can be unbiased or can be coupled with biased editorial, yet be unbiased information.

    But CNN and the other news groups don't provide information anymore, it's 100% opinion.

    Most of it freeped and phony.

    Imagine Kos trying to say our polls represent anything but bloggers and freepers...

    CNN is a lode of horse hockey.

  •  43-57 (none)
    Politics is still up. Keep hitting that poll.
  •  So now the "News" channels... (none)
    are trying to give politics a bad nane?  It's all politics, good or bad.  So, now politics = Democratic, impolitic = Republican.  I can live with that.
  •  These polls (none)
    ...are total jokes, and the fact that the major news outlets even air their results shows how pathetic the networks have become.

    24 hours means a lot of useless crap required to fill the time.

  •  Talk about a straw man (none)
    The subtext of the question is that politics and convictions are never one and the same when it's a Democrat talking.

    What a fucking heap.

    "The American people will trust the Democratic Party to defend America when they believe that Democrats will defend other Democrats." Wesley Clark

    by The Termite on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 08:48:27 PM PST

  •  The reason for the poll (none)
    is probably to get people with strong feelings either way to turn off their pop-up blockers when they are on the CNN site.

    I can't imagine any other purpose for that question.

    Recovering Perfectionist IWDWIC (I Will Do What I Can) - Politics Plus Stuff

    by Rick B on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 09:12:10 PM PST

  •  Half the American idiots (none)
    voting in that poll probably think "conviction" has something to do with a crime, rather than heartfelt belief in what's right.

    (-8.88/-7.64) Feingold in '08 | "I drink from the keg of glory, Donna. Bring me the finest muffins and bagels in all the land!"

    by Joshua Lyman on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 09:49:31 PM PST

  •  After over 500 comments, I'll write this: (none)
    1. This is a golden opportunity to educate the public. It can be done THROUGH a filibuster.
    2. The Dems must be at their communicative best. There will be a brief moment when they will have the complete freedom to frame the debate.
    3. If ANYONE had any doubts about the fact that the MSM is a propaganda wing of the White House neo-cons, this latest barrage of insulting and degrading comments ought to erase them right now.
    4. The Dems MUST begin telling the US public that the MSM is a propaganda wing of the Bush White House. They must repeat it until it becomes perceived fact even if it's actual fact. They have NO CHOICE.
    5. Please read: "Clumsiness of new 'Osama' propaganda: sign of increasing Bush administration desperation", by Larry Chin

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/...

    It'll curl your toes.

  •  Oops. (none)
    I'm getting tired. 164 comments until now.
  •  It's still up (none)
    Notice that these fuckers at CNN only keep a poll up a while when we're losing. When our side takes the lead, these fuckers take it down fast. We must destroy CNN.
  •  44/56 (none)
    Conviction 44% 38700 votes
    Politics   56% 49568 votes
    Total:         88268 votes
  •  Does it matter why (none)
    as long as he's doing it?

    "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

    by Geenius at Wrok on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 04:30:28 AM PST

  •  It's a dishonest poll (none)
    There are fewer votes this morning than there were last night.
  •  Well ok I voted (none)
    but make no mistake.  Finally calling for a filibuster on Weds., and then taking off to Davos to work it, walks like a duck, talks like a duck etc.

    Sorry gang, but this follows right on the heels of his diary telling US to handle Matthews.  All it would've taken was a phone call from his office and he could have been on.

    My bet is that, when asked about it 3 years from now, he'll play it down with a "well I just made some phone calls".

    Like I said, I voted....but I feel dirty.

  •  what a stupid question (none)
    Why do you think John Kerry wants to filibuster Samuel Alito?
    Conviction    
    Politics

    -----

    We're gonna lose that poll because politicians -- even Democrats -- always have an element of political motive whenever they do just about anything.

    Personally, I think a big part of the reason that Kerry has started to be vocal in his Alito opposition is because he saw the reaction on this blog to Al Gore's speech the other day.  The man wants to run for President in '08 and he'll be needing the grassroots support in order to get it.  That being said, it's ridiculous to say that Kerry did it only for politics.

    CNN needs to fire its poll writer.  The polls on their front page are consistently terrible.


    CNN.com, December 7, 2005

  •  Hmmm, John Kerry's acting out of conviction... (none)
    the same way he he did when he voted to authorize the Iraq War, right?

    Sorry, tried to vote in support of the cause, but on this question my finger just wouldn't go there.  I abstained instead.  

    Kerry has much to gain politically by doing this, and nothing to lose.  Any potential candidate in 2008 besides Hillary has to try to position themselves as the "anti-Hillary".  Kerry knows that the base is less than fond of him, so this is a quick way to score some quick points, something he can point to when he's justifying his candidacy.  Since lack of spine is a major criticism of Kerry, this move challenges that perception.  Still, I notice he didn't decide to do it until the day that the New York Times wrote a strongly worded editorial in support of a filibuster.

    So, yes, he does gain Feingold-points for doing this, especially in his world view.  And loses nothing--Massachusetts certainly isn't going to punish him for it.  Even if it IS just for the politics of it (since assigning conviction to the motives of Kerry is just too hard for me to do, even anonymously), I still admire him doing it.  But this poll isn't going to budge.  Kerry is a laughing stock, and nothing's going to change that perception.

    •  However, I would like to add... (none)
      that the poll itself is very biased, and seems clearly intended to discredit both Kerry and the idea of a filibuster.

      Now, what if they had asked the same poll question about Ted Kennedy?

    •  False dichotomy (none)
      The main reason the poll is so biased is that it represents a false dichotomy. You were led not to vote in it because you felt that Kerry acted for political reasons, but clearly you felt some cognitive dissonance about that. The reason for the dissonance is that Kerry undoubtedly acted for political reasons and out of conviction. And why not? There is nothing inconsistent about that.

      Kerry is a professional politician. He must take political factors into account when he acts. But I believe that he also acts out of conviction. It is true that because of political realities, we rarely see true "profiles in courage" in our national government: everything is a blend of politics and conviction.

      Therefore, when I see one of these falsely dichotomous polls, I simply vote according to my own self-interest; in this case, that Kerry acted out of conviction (because he did, in spite of also considering other factors, such as politics).

      Greg Shenaut

  •  Stupid poll (none)
    Sometimes acting on conviction is good politics.

    What the hell does it matter why Kerry is opposing more than whether opposing Alito is important or not?

    Do you think Bush believes in the Iraq War because of:

    • Osama
    • Money
    • Oil
    • Politics
    • Voices
    • Stubborness
    •  Does this qualify. (none)
      Bush's post hoc coopting of the Neocon post 9/11 hijacking of foreign policy? I don't think he really knew why we invaded Iraq until long after the fact.
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