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For once, I'm in agreement with the pragmatists of the Democratic Party.  The fight to stop Alito is one that we cannot win.  It is better to keep our powder dry.   You might respond, "Keep it dry!  For what?"  Glad you asked.  I can think of fights for which we will be glad we kept our powder dry. (a rock solid argument on the flip)

  1. What if a Democrat wins the popular vote in a Presidential election and may have won the Electoral College, but only a hand recount can count all the votes and account for the machines built-in margin of error.  I don't know the legal system that well, but I suspect there would be a legal challenge that would go as high as the Supreme Court regarding the legality of the recount.  What if SCOTUS voted on partisan lines NOT to count the ballots.  As a result, the Republican wins.  I know it is hard to imagine, but it could happen.  I'm sure that if a subsequent recount did show the Democrat wonCongress would come up with some way to remove the false President, but either way, we should keep our powder dry for this scenario.

  2. Imagine that a catastrophic terrorist attack happens on our shores.  The Republican President gives some nice speeches and promises to kick some terrorist ass.  He tells us that if anyone could have imagined such an attack he would have done everything possible to protect us.  I'm just spinning my wheels here, but what if it later became clear that there was warning of the attack and the President did absolutely nothing to stop it?  He was busy doing something ultra-Republican, maybe trying to start a new nuclear missile program -- who knows.  At any rate, he ignored the threat and lied about receiving warning.  This is a Republican we are talking about; so, he'd probably try to pull some crazy stunt like falsifying an EPA report that states the air at the place struck by the terrorists made the location unsafe.  We need to keep our powder dry for this eventuality.

  3. Republicans love war, particularly when they and their families don't have to fight.  Terrorists don't really have their own nation, so the President would have to find somewhere to attack and appear "Presidential."  It is possible, unlikely, but let me put on my tin-foil hat for a minute, that the President would manufacture reasons to go to war with a nation that was in no way threatening us.  He'd probably pick some faltering Middle East country that he felt would be a cakewalk.  How would he convince us to fight?  Maybe, he'd say something about mushroom clouds and also suggest they were in league with the terrorists.  He'd probably try to hint that the country had something to do with the terrorist attack on the US.  I'm not sure what else, make a half-ass try at avoiding war through the UN.  Sure, millions would see through this and take to the streets in anti-war marches, but we would need our Senators and Representatives to have some dry powder ready to stop the illegal war.  At least we know that Republicans are all about integrity and hate "nation-building," so once no weapons are found and the war of choice is exposed, they'd hold the President accountable.

  4. Okay, since I talked about voting once, maybe if the GOP was successful in stealing one election (see scenario 1), they'd try another.  I think I read somewhere that a Secretary of State (the person who controls voting in each state) can also be actively campaigning for candidates running in the election.  For instance, a Secretary could even chair a party's statewide Presidential campaign.  It's hard to imagine that anyone  with that much power over the vote would be all that actively involved in supporting a Presidential candidate, but I kid you not, it is perfectly legal.  It is possible that the Secretary could control how the votes are counted, even how many machines get to each county and precinct.  They could probably even set it up so that voters at Democratic strongholds would have to wait hours in line to vote on barely working machines.  I hear some of these new machines don't have any paper trail, so who knows what the GOP could get up to with control of something like that.  I'm a crazy Liberal, but I could even imagine the GOP challenging all kinds of voters -- even trying to keep mentally handicapped people from voting.  Election fraud and abuse is pretty hard to prove, so we'd really need our powder dry.
These are just a few examples of how things could get much worse.  I even dreamt up one scenario where a whole US city is destroyed because of incompetent planning and misplaced priorities.  I bet if that happened the GOP would go with the "Nobody could have predicted this" defense.  Crazy Wingers.  Maybe, they'd out a CIA agent out of political spite, get caught running a bribery ring out of Congress, lose billions in a faraway nation-building scheme to change the world in our image (wait, Wingers don't support nation-building), give massive tax cuts to the rich and cause the deficit to soar.

The crazy rantings of a Northeast Liberal, I know.  But who knows what those wacky GOPers could get up to, so let's keep that powder dry for a real fight.  The Republicans won the Presidency and Congress fair and square, and vast majority of the country obviously supports them.  Let's keep our powder dry and our noses clean for the next election, that's when real change can happen.  The last thing people want is an opposition party vigorously opposing things.  We have the next election, or the next one after that, or maybe the next one after that...with plenty of dry powder.

Originally posted to jasonwhat on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 07:46 PM PST.

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  •  INCOMING! (3.90)

    "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

    by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 07:48:48 PM PST

    •  So shoot me (none)
      Go ahead.  Filibuster already.

      At least that's the story on Dkos.  Talk and talk and talk until they say you can't anymore.

      That's fine.  It's the American way. What's the problem?

      Bush didn't clear Alito's name with anyone because he didn't have to.  In fact, Bush has found a lot of things in the realm of policy that he doesn't have to clear with anyone.

      My point would be that Alito is one of those technically legal areas which Bush will be able to get away with.  It will be long and painful and hard to have Alito on the court, but at the end of the day, they will buy, sell or extort their way through to a vote.

      The areas that they have not reached a legal basis for what they are doing:

      1.  NSA sying.

      2.  Revealing Plame to the media.

      3.  The big enchilada:  manipulation of pre-war intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq invasion.

      4.  Bungling of Katrina and its cover-up.

      I hate having Alito on the court; I will always hate it.  But, like Roberts (and unlike Myers), Alito was chosen precisely because he is a wolf in Judge's clothing.  That is Bush's perogative and he gets just enough Democrats to run for cover to make this work.

      But, by all means give it a shot, debate, debate, debate...  In the end there is always a vote.

      Education? Teaching? NCLB? Read my book _Becoming Mr. Henry_

      by Mi Corazon on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:28:30 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  But With Alito On The Court (4.00)
        Then any cases on those issues will be decided for power over what is right and constitutional.

        9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

        by NewDirection on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:37:06 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Do the Democrat Shuffle, give in before the fight (2.68)
          Or don't:

          Fax the word to FILIBUSTER instantly to twelve wavering Senators

          Let's not forget to hit the Senators where we might cynically think they really care - their campaign offices.  Additionally, when we call the PACs it doesn't matter if we're non-residents!

          Joseph I. Lieberman (D- CT), (860) 244-2006
          Thomas R. Carper (D- DE), (302) 328-5774
          Evan Bayh (D- IN), 202-326-0450
          Robert Menendez (D-NJ), 201-271-1161
          Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D- DE) , 202-547-2221

          Call the Democrats (Mary Landrieu, Ken Salazar, Barack Obama, Tom Harkin) who oppose Alito but also said they oppose a filibuster. We must persuade them that a vote against Alito is meaningless if they don't support a filibuster.

          Senator Salazar (D-CO) 202-224-5852

          Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) 202-224-5824 (If you're having trouble getting through a Washington number, you can look up a Senator's local number in your and fax here:

          Senator Barack Obama Phone: 202-224-2854 District Offices: Chicago: 312-886-3506 Marion: 618-997-2402 Springfield: 217-492-5089

          Senator Tom Harkin Phone: 202-224-3254 District Offices: Des Moines: 515-284-4574 Cedar Rapids: 319-365-4504 Davenport: 563-322-1338 Dubuque: 563-582-2130  Sioux City: 712-252-1550

          Call your own Democratic Senator: 888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641. If you can't get through, look up your senator's local office numbers and fax here:

          Unbelievably, three Democrats (Ben Nelson, Tim Johnson and Robert Byrd) support Alito! Tell them to either support filibuster or at least "don't get in the way." Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) 202-224-6551 Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) 202-224-3954 Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) 202-224-5842

          888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641. If you can't get through, look up the Senator's District Office number in your phone book or here:

          Fourth: Call the "Red State" Democrats: (Message same as above -- "No" is meaningless) Tom Carper (DE)

          Kent Conrad (ND)

          Byron Dorgan (ND)

          Mark Pryor (AR)

          Call these "Blue State" and pro-choice Republicans: (Message: A "Unitary Executive" is dangerous to balance of powers--please do not get in the way of a filibuster.) Lincoln Chafee (RI)

          Susan Collins (ME)

          Lisa Murkowski (AK)

          Gordon Smith (OR)

          Olympia Snowe (ME)

          Ted Stevens (AK)

          Blanche Lincoln (AR)

          CALL: 888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641.

          If you can't get through, look up the Senator's District Office number and fax here:

          For extra credit, call all of the 2008 Presidential candidates who are sitting Senators--Evan Bayh, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Russ Feingold, and John Kerry--and tell them to either LEAD THE FILIBUSTER or KISS YOUR SUPPORT GOODBYE. 888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641. If you can't get through, look up the Senator's District Office number in your phone book or here:

          You can also send that message to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (202-224-2447) and the Democratic National Committee (202-863-8000).

          Polls and public opinion are another way to apply pressure -- get word out about why Alito needs to be filibustered:

          Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper. (Click here)

          People for the American Way has collected nearly 65,000 signatures to send to the Senate, please add yours: Save the Court Petition

          John Kerry has endorsed this anti-Alito petition, signers' names will be read into the Congressional Record:

          •  Leaving aside the spamming question... (4.00)
            In what universe is Ted Stevens pro-choice?  The man had a 0% rating from NARAL in 2004, coupled with a 73% rating from National Right to Life.

            He's voted yes on all major abortion restructions in recent memory.  The only way in which he's remotely pro-choice is his support for stem cell research.

          •  I agree and I think the diarist is an imbecile (1.77)
            or someone who is 12 years old.

            I hate criticizing someone like that and I will take away the word but not the thought.  I don't have the time to read every posting here and I do not think from a quick scan, because I was so disgusted with the diarist, that the diarist was being facetious.

            Since when has laying down like dead dogs gotten the Democrats votes?  More often than not, it has lost millions of votes.  Kerry is still laying low praying for miracles instead of showing a little bit of courage?

            The powder doesn't stay dry because Democrats wet their pants, rendering the powder useless and smelly, whenever there is the smallest political fight.

            Besides, what about the women who will bleed to death from back-alley abortions?  What about the women in states who are forced to DELIVER children that were implanted through her vagina into her uterus during a brutal rape?  How the hell does the diarist overlook what Alito's confirmation will mean?   How can the diarist not want to blame every single Republican, with the hemorrhaging blood of women, under the care of somebody in a shed using a hanger, that is dripping down their heads on to the Senate floor and that goes for Democrats also who close their eyes again to keep their powder dry.  The diarist is repulsively stupid and so are all those who support him.

          •  Dear Judy, (4.00)
             I think Bill Nelson, Florida needs some calls too!   Washington office- 202-224-5274.  My St. Pete Times wrote yesterday morning that he didn't favor a filibuster.
            •  I have called every office for Nelson (none)
              and faxed every number.  Cannot get through.  Mailboxes are all full.

              I hope he is really getting alot of calls,probably
              from the righteous right also. I hate to suspect him but, Nelson just might want to be not found.

              Billllllll, oh Billlllll...please pick up your messages so I can get through. Yoo hoo...Billl.

              I guess I will resort to and have it hand delivered then deduct it from my taxes.:-)

      •  The Statement Matters (4.00)
        Why is it that Republicans never seem worried about appearing obstructionist?  They were willing to shut down the entire government to thumb Clinton's oh-so-charismatic nose.  They were happy to direct all political activity away from something important (fighting Al Qaeda) in order to imeach Willy.

        The Nation is dying for the Democrats to make a real stand.  Look how "What balls they have" the media went when they shutdown the Senate for a matter of hours.  What happened to that WMD investigation anyways?

        It is not just making a stand as a political stunt, but to remind the majority of the country, a majority that is nothing like Alito, that there still is a party that PROUDLY stands for progressive values.  There are plenty of other important issues to fight for, and plenty we should have stood up for long ago, but this is one way, today, that the party can be concrete opposition.

        •  My powder is loaded (4.00)
          Statements do matter, I agree.  What the Republicans did to Clinton in '96 was technically legal, and it exploded in their faces.

          At the end of the day, the public wants government to do its job--as best as it can.  And, unfortunately, they elected Bush, as far as I can tell, to head that effort.

          He has certain rights.  I just think we should nail him more on the areas where he is outside of his prescribed authority--that that will be what the public cues on and condemns him for.

          Sadly, the public is too "out of it" to even understand what Alito really means.  After all, this is the same public that voted for bush.

          Education? Teaching? NCLB? Read my book _Becoming Mr. Henry_

          by Mi Corazon on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:02:41 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  I think a cynical view of the public (4.00)
            is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

            <div style="display:inline;color:#CCC">The dark at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming age.</div>

            by peeder on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:08:18 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  I agree (4.00)
              Though I am optimistic about human nature in general, I do make special exceptions for the American public at this point in time.

              Any group of people that can crawl out on the edge of a limb by buying SUVs and hastening the global peril, while simultaneously accepting invasions of foreign countries by an inarticulate Texan phony, all while investing billions in corporations that lie and inflate and bilk their investors, while swallowing whole that only more and more standardized tests can save public education--that's a special breed of human nature.  I call it American pure-bred arrogant ignorance--Humanus Idiotus.  

              And we have it in spades.

              I thought we were the reality-based community?

              Education? Teaching? NCLB? Read my book _Becoming Mr. Henry_

              by Mi Corazon on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:41:45 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

          •  Exploded in their faces? (4.00)
            Howso?  They didn't lose congress.

            They impeached a very popular president, and nothing happened.

            "I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." -- Adlai Stevenson

            by Scientician on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:10:18 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  They lost... (4.00)
              seats in a historically unprecedented fashion for the sixth year of a presidential term.  Do not mistake "didn't lose control" for "didn't lose."  Example--when Dems pick up 2-3 Senate seats in November, they will have "won" despite not winning control.

              There were substantial negative consequences for the Republicans in 1998, mitigated by gerrymander and the massive number of "safe seats" present for an incumbent.

              •  Bush also ran a powerful anti-Clinton campaign (none)
                against Gore, essentially.

                Stating that he would bring morals, ethics, personal integrity, etc. to the White House "again".

                It was red paint on Gore's suit, inherited by the extreme, constant attacks (founded and unfounded) against Bubba.

                It appears that the Republicans came back to strength in the Congress not long after, unfortunately.  I don't give 09/11/01 much credit for that result.

                •  I think 2000... (4.00)
                  is a very strange election for any number of reasons, and that Bush was competitive not because of his Clinton bashing, but because of the standard weariness the American public shows with its Presidents after 8 years.  You have to look back to Reagan, and then before him, to Eisenhower, to see a two-term president who left office well-loved.  

                  And I disagree with you on 2002.  Republicans picked up seats because they are perceived as the "national security" party, and in the wake of a terrorist attack and the absence of a coherent national security message from the Democrat, the party with that image is in very good shape.

                  •  2002 (4.00)
                    something was fishy in GA with Cleland's 10+% lead turning into a 4+% deficit in one day the first year that GA goes to paperless Diebold ballots

                    I'm just sayin'.....

                    •  Can we get an AMEN (4.00)
                      Amen, I say.....from Marietta

                      "Much Madness is divinest sense, to a discerning eye. Much sense, the starkest madness." Emily Dickinson

                      by SherriG on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:01:13 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                    •  And (4.00)
                      those damn ads showing Cleland and Osama together.

                      It was savage, heartless, and brutal. The fact that those ads were shown on TV in Georgia was disgraceful. The fact that any people at all voted against Cleland after that is a sinking pit of discouragement and a stain on a great state.

                      Max Cleland has given so much for this country. Saxby Chambliss has only given us oral flatulence.

                    •  Someday (4.00)
                      In the future when history books are written, kids will wonder how we didn't all see it.
                      Maybe we'll learn not to have votes "counted" by a partisan corporation with "trade secrets".

                      So to my friends and my colleagues I say with delight, A merry Christmas to all, and to Bill O'Reilly...Happy Holidays. Congressman John D. Dingell

                      by doug r on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 03:17:50 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                  •  The Dems went along with Bush post-09/11 (none)
                    which implies that they should not have failed quite so badly merely due to alignment with popular national security issues in 2002, IMHO.  The Republicans truly had a more clear message in that area, as in many others.

                    Dems were polled as being more strongly associated in national issues related to the economy, environment, education, jobs, etc., but failed completely to provide a compelling, repeatable and wide series of messages for such things in 2002.  Therefore, the issues on which Republicans offered clarity - including national security, the economy, etc. - tended to minimize the seeming worth of so many Dems and their mixture of individual messages.

                    Yes, GWB's 09/11/01 bump helped the local Republicans for whom he campaigned in 2002 - no doubt.  Still, angry/dirty Republican PR also took advantage of the rather weak Democratic planks, making them appear as a less effective party in comparison.  The subject matters were many, and beyond simple national security fears - the Dems were disjoint in the face of a seemingly unified direction for BushCo and the Republican party, overall.  Plus, GOTV for the Republicans blew the Dems away in the final stages, by most reporting I've seen.

                    Back to 2000 . . .

                    Sure, I agree that many messages went out and struck some cords for GWB in 2000, but his Rove-greased ability to take a high rode on morals and ethics was completely riding on the back of politics that tarred Clinton's personal life for the prior 8 years.  The Republicans running for Congress also had the benefit of Dem counterparts being very publicly reluctant to associate with the tainted imagery being ascribed by the Republican smear machine to Clinton.  His local campaigning efforts were hampered by wary DLC and even local campaign managers - primarily due to his smeared image by the Republicans.

                    It was that counter-Clinton-morals persona which enhanced GWB's ability to become somewhat teflon in his own right, I feel: his viscious, simplistic and corrupted past in Texas politics was almost completely ignored.  He adopted the image of a humble but strong, honest and sincere fellow.  This personal characterization stuck with him for years, and possibly contributed to minimizing the effectiveness of truth-based attacks to his character, motives and related Presidential actions with the mainstream public (regardless of also-effective Rovian tactics at attacking BushCo critics).

                    I sought not to offer the sense of exclusive pronouncements in my prior post on these points, but to note that there were issues related to these situations which your previous reply appeared to minimize related to Clinton's impeachment and related attacks against his character.  FYI.

              •  It was a minor setback (none)
                ....on the road what is now an almost total victory.    They're now in position to take the third and final branch of government.

                When the Republicans shut down the government, it affected a lot of people personally.  Checks that should have been issued weren't.  Services that people came to expect weren't performed.  Congress's actions had deep, immediate ramifications well beyond the political arena.  And in return, they got a slap on the wrist.  More importantly, Clinton clearly reaped the benefit of standing up to them (remember, he could have ended the shutdown himself by caving to the Republicans).

                How do you suggest that everyday Americans will be affected by a Democratic filibuster of Alito?  As near as I can tell, the worst it'll do is screw up their ability to Tivo the Ways and Means committee meeting on C-SPAN.

          •  Bush did not win! (3.80)
            They stole it. Gore won the popular vote. More people sided with his POV then Bush's even though he was the War Preznit.

            So stop with the right-wing bullshit that Bush won fair and square.

            "...I have reauthorized this program more than 30 times since the September the 11th attacks" - George W. Bush, 12-17-05

            by Pescadero Bill on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:58:14 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  He has certain rights? (4.00)
            What the fuck does that mean?

            He has no rights. The Cult of the Presidency is bullshit, especially given the fact that he's a confessed criminal. So fuck that.

            FILIBUSTER ALITO! Bush needs a political slap in the face to drive him even further down in the approval ratings.

            "...I have reauthorized this program more than 30 times since the September the 11th attacks" - George W. Bush, 12-17-05

            by Pescadero Bill on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:02:44 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  Try to Dry (none)
          Third sentence, please fix- spelling-

          EXCELLENT Diary-

          Thank you


          Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative -Jon Stuart Mill-

          by RF on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:06:05 PM PST

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        •  Excellent post (none)
          Fucking excellent.


          "Chances are if you asked W what FISA was before 9/11 he'd have said it was a credit card company." David Rossie

          by Angie in WA State on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 01:18:12 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  "Real courage is when you know you're licked (4.00)
          before you begin, but you begin anyway and see it through no matter what." - Atticus Finch

          I have said this before, and I'll say it again: if the Democrats don't have the balls to stand up against Alito, then nothing else matters.  Americans will not trust them to stand up for their safety and security, and that is still what Rove is winning on.  Almost 1/2 of our nation thinks it's fine to wiretap Americans without a warrant, that is how afraid our fellow citizens are, so the Democrats had better start showing some courage.  Goddamn it - they just go along with everything fricking King George wants, why??? I don't get it, I just don't get it.  

          Republicans to Americans: "Are there no prisons?...And the Union workhouses?...Are they still in operation?"

          by adigal on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 05:24:22 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  We should be PROUD to be obstructionists (4.00)
          The American people should thank us for obstructing what these people want to do for them.
      •  ...well written diary.. (none)
        ..but totally unconvincing.  What makes you think we would be less prepared to fight any of the things you cite if we filibuster Alito?  
        In fact, as the anti-filibuster diaries start to get more shrill, I just seems like more evidence to me filibuster is the way to go.  Indeed, I think its a shrewd move for the longterm.
        •  Again... (4.00)
          Did you not understand that this diary is satirizing those who say "don't filibuster -- keep your powder dry for a really important fight"?

          That the scenarios satirically posed as hypothetical and "really worth fighting over" have all already happened and weren't sufficiently "fought over" -- and thus the diarist's point is that is time to make a friggin' stand already?

          If not now, when?

    •  My feeling is (4.00)
      you only need Dry Powder if you have Balls to shoot.A filibuster might just show Dems have a few in their arsonal and they're ready,after a long retreat,to counterattack.

      by ctkeith on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:55:48 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Did I miss something? (4.00)
      This is a fucking joke right?

      Tell me this is a joke.

      "...I have reauthorized this program more than 30 times since the September the 11th attacks" - George W. Bush, 12-17-05

      by Pescadero Bill on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:53:52 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  do you think people willl get the sarcasm? (4.00)
      I don't know if people who read this will get the sarcasm...
      I sure hope they do..

      How long can elected dems role over and not be left for dead?

      •  ..exactly.. (none)
        ..this is the most defeatist rant I've read lately.  A party that follows this path has no right to ever regain the majority.  And none of the issues cited by the diarist are things we would have less power to fight if we filibuster Alito.  Totally unconvincing and defeatist.
        •  It's satire (4.00)
          The diary is actually an argument for filibustering Alito.  By pointing out that everything we could have "kept our powder dry" for has already happened.  (It probably should have made it clearer that Alito was part and parcel of letting this stuff continue.)

          Anyway, read it again if you didn't get the sarcasm.

          •  ..just playing along.. (none)
            ..though I am really surprised there are so many who actually want to hold on Alito for some of the very reasons the diarist states.  In fact - it seems to still be Dem establishment CW.
    •  For those that don't know, (4.00)
      and I know there will be several,


  •  Great diary (4.00)
    Recommended, in the hopes the naysayers all see this.  ;-)

    Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

    by Barbara Morrill on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 07:49:11 PM PST

  •  the powder's dry (4.00)
    but the guns have rusted, the shot has run out, and the men have all deserted.
    •  the keep the powder dry analogy is wrong (4.00)
      And remember, it is just an analogy.  Here's another one.

      Olympic athletes train in the off-season.  (It's true!)  Olympic athletes do not sit in front of the television for years before their event, resting, and "keeping their powder dry."

      In fact, no artist, or athlete, or entrepreneur prepares for their big exhibit, or game, or business launch by sitting on the couch, doing nothing, and avoiding challenges.  In those endeavors, you achieve excellence by practicing excellence.

      Why should politics be any different?  If politicians practice doing nothing, then when it really is important, they will be very good -- at doing nothing.

    •  Don't worry..... you can sell all of it (4.00)
      to an "entrepreneur" who'll mark it all up 400% and resell it back to the Republicans....

      Who was it who got his start buying condemed muskets from state armories and reselling them to the Federal Government?  The foundation of one of the great private fortunes in US history.......

  •  Excellent! and recommended...; (none)
  •  very well done, (4.00)
    and you're reinforcing the basic impotence of our party for these past 5 years--where have they been through all of this? why hasn't any of this been stopped?
    •  a LOT more than 5 years ... (none)
      what about Tip ONeill's budgets with RayGun?

      Grassroots Organizing Should Be for The Community, By The Community - NOT for "Leaders"

      by rmdSeaBos on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:10:05 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Dear amberglow (4.00)
      I don't think Jasonwhat is reinforcing the wholesale abdication we've seen from the Dems (and Republicans) in congress.

      Some people are contending that we should not filibuster Alito, but that we should let him slide because we have bigger battles to fight.

      Jasonwhat responds with a list of serious problems where, every time, they've chosen to fail us.  

      It's a rhetorical question asking when are these duly elected Democratic dirt clods in Congress going to get off their asses and start representing the best interests of their constituents, instead of representing the status quo.

  •  Who are the naysayers? (4.00)
    I originally was going to target this at Kos in support of the Rubicon diary, but posts like this seem to suggest Kos is on board.  If only the people who have an actual vote would get on board.

    To those in Red states afraid of losing support, I have two words for you, "Paul Hackett."  Stand up and fight and just see how the netroots will rally to your standard.

  •  Perfect username. (none)

    ... we now know a lot of things, most of which, we already knew... (-dash888)

    by Tirge Caps on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:06:54 PM PST

  •  if not now, when? (4.00)
    the time for talk and internal rationalizing has ended.
    What do we stand for, anyhow?
    truthfullness or truthiness.

    Kerry's right.

    Under McClellan, everytime he won, he retreated.

    Lee ridiculed him for it.

    •  Great example (4.00)
      Hey, I'm not the only one who keeps thinking of the  Union Generals of the Civil War, who at the beginning of the war basically refused to commit their resources to battle for fear they would lose them. In this Alito fight, I'm reminded of the time near the end of the Civil War when Lincoln was being pressured to replace Grant because of his excessive casualties. And Lincoln flatly refused, because "I've finally found a general who will fight."

      McLellan managed to win skirmishes and retreat the Army of the Potomac right backward into Washington, D.C. And the Democratic strategists in Washington have done just the god-damned same thing in the last five years. Just like with McLellan, we risk having an intact army left, but with no country remaining to defend.

      -- I share no man's opinions; I have my own. -Ivan Turgenev -6.75 -3.79

      by tergenev on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:31:51 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  precisely (4.00)
      what I said here

      Why do so many think we only get one bite at the apple?

      Stand up for everything.  From here on out.

      Then, maybe the average 'Murkin will think that the dems stand for something and will be more willing to give them a chance come 2006 and 2008.  We need more people to think that the dems have guts.

  •  Thanks (none)
    I loved your sarcasm. I thought only I could be this sarcastic. :) Thanks for making me laugh.
  •  You're really Bob Shrum, (3.50)
    aren't you?

    I'm glad I'm not George W. Bush, because George W. Bush is going to hell

    by Alna Dem on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:17:42 PM PST

  •  Lucky I have the self discipline to read (4.00)
    and entire diary before responding otherwise I'd be writing a long tome trying to clean your clock right this minute.

    Excellent diary.  Thank you.

    Thank you for doing the research, making the links and generally being a sarcastic Northeast Liberal :)

    •  Gulfstream Liberal (4.00)
      I actually wrote this from an exclusive resort on the slopes of Swiss Alps, while eating cheese and playing Call of Duty (I only play so I can surrender).
      •  I know the French have had cheese.... (none), always, 'n stuff, but did they surrenender a lot BEFORE Africa and monkeys were discovered?

        "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

        by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:31:07 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  What if... (4.00)
    ...monkeys fly out of my butt?

    Seriously, I can appreciate your sentiments...oh, wait, I just figured out this whole diary.

    The last thing people want is an opposition party vigorously opposing things.  We have the next election, or the next one after that, or maybe the next one after that...with plenty of dry powder.

    Glad I read it all the way through. Nice work. I'm with ya ;^)

    "...psychopaths have little difficulty infiltrating the domains of...politics, law enforcement, (and) government." Dr. Robert Hare

    by RubDMC on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:20:11 PM PST

    •  Huh? (none)
      RubDMC is with the idea that there are future elections?  

      How do you think you win elections by being ineffectual or unprincipled?  

      How are you in support of an opposition party that does not oppose this extreme, extraordinary choice to sit on the Supreme Court for 30 years.  To rule on Bush's crazy concepts that Congress authorized wireless wiretapping when it expressly refused to give less authority.  

  •  A good place to keep your powder dry is (4.00)
    up your ass.

    good diary.

  •  Capitulation is futile. (4.00)
    Therefore, surrender.
  •  Wow (4.00)
    This diary is like the biggest snark ever.

    I'm in awe.

  •  Gunpowder (4.00)

    Hasn't Haliburton & Co cornered the gunpowder market?

    Great Diary. Could feel the knife twisting.

  •  Go triangulate yourself (none)
  •  I agree!!!!! (4.00)
    We really should keep our powder dry. There is no way John Roberts will NOT be confirmed, so why waste our political capital? I'm sure that after the next Supreme Court retirement, Bush will appoint some wacko wingnut, and THEN it'll be the time to fight.

    but in all seriousness, who came up with the premise that Democrats can only fight one battle? Is it like Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, and we only get three lifelines before we're on our own? If we throw all our efforts into opposing Alito, we have to give in on medical savings account to appease the Beltway Heathers?

    What kind of a fucked-up notion of an opposition party is this? Opposition parties oppose! Hell, when Clinton was president, the repugs opposed everything...they'd oppose his haircut. They'd oppose his choice of snack cakes. They'd oppose his decision whether to go #1 or #2 in the bathroom.

    I used to be a keep-the-powder-dry person. But how many times are we going to just sit back and wait for another day to fight?

    "I told them on Inauguration Day. I said look into my eyes: no new enhancements." - President Johnny Gentle (Famous Crooner)

    by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:31:27 PM PST

    •  haven't seen you around for a while (none)
      good to see your moniker again.

      i'm an agnostic, i'd be an atheist if it weren't for mozart

      by rasbobbo on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:36:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Didn't they have investigations (4.00)
      about Xmas cards

      "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

      by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:36:40 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I agree 100 percent (4.00)
      why the hell aren't the Dems out there opposing anything that comes out of this administration or that's pushed by the Repubs in congress?

      What, pretty much everyone in the nation, 75%+ thinks the country is headed in the wrong direction. The Repubs have had five damn years to set a course. They've failed miserably.

      Why aren't the Dems using every procedural tactic, every legal trick, getting out publicly on their hometown TV and print news, and blocking every single damn thing the Repubs try to do? All of it? Everything!

      Imagine the power that would come out of every Dem saying "Look, we know everyone in the nation says the country isn't going in the right direction, so we're gonna stop this train before it derails or goes off a damn cliff, then we're going to get it back on course"

      There is also nothing whatsoever wrong with Dem Congress Critters engaging in a little civil disobedience if they want to.

  •  Awesome satire. (4.00)
    You're a modern day Jonathan Swift.  Satire can be so much more effective in making your point.  This gives Stephen Colbert a run for his money in the satire deparment.

    Also, this diary is about the best summary of the gross incompetence and malignancy of the Bush Administration and Republican Congress I've yet seen.

    "I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." -- Adlai Stevenson

    by Scientician on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:32:34 PM PST

  •  OMFG, I think I love you and want to birth your (4.00)
    children..ok..back up.. I am too old to birth your children, but I can offer a healthy recommendation to the lady of your choice!

    I am not your beast of burden: I will not be forced to carry your baggage.....Humanistic Property Manifesto (-5.13, -4.77)

    by panicbean on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:41:14 PM PST

    •  Oh, I was going to ask him to marry me!!! (none)
      That was my first thought as I ventured into the first paragraph after the flip.

      JasonWhat is a ROCK STAR!

      LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

      by letsfight on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:25:26 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Someone over at the (4.00)
    Youngturks Filibuster Alito Radiothon noted a couple hours ago that Dem politicians should have a few megatons of powder saved up by this point.

    What are Dems saving all that powder for?

  •  "Powder" is...... (none)
    Your posting is brilliant, fantastic and just what needed to be said right now!!!
  •  There's a huge flaw with your arguements.... (4.00)
    and hypotheticals in favor of us "keeping our powder dry" as I see it.

    The Republicans/NeoCons are absolutley ruthless and will give us no quarter on any issue ever.

    Bushco and his Republican controlled congress have one goal, to turn the USA into a dictatorship.

    They will not stop until they have accomplished that.

    They will not cooperate with us or accomodate our concerns now or in the future.

    They mean to murder us (politically).

    We need to fight and now is the time. We may lose but at least we'll go down fighting like hell, kicking, scratching, biting and gouging their eyes.

    We are facing ruthless, fascist murderers who want absolute power. Please don't delude yourself into believing that if we don't fight now that they will let us fight further down the road. They won't.

    The longer we wait for a showdown the less chance we will ever have of stopping them. We have to fight now!

    **"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue."--Barry Goldwater**

    by Manix on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:42:50 PM PST

    •  Jeez (4.00)
      Apparently you didn't notice the blatant, punch-you-in-the-face sarcasm in this diary. Perhaps reading it again would do some good.
      •  Oh yeah...... (4.00)
        just re-read it and saw the sarcasm.

        I'd claim my post was meant to continue the sarcasm theme but it wasn't. I didn't get it.

        Great points!

        Great diary!

        **"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue."--Barry Goldwater**

        by Manix on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:57:22 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Good thing you got it... (4.00)
          Cause, man, you were gonna get it!!!


          Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative -Jon Stuart Mill-

          by RF on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:14:21 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Dude, (none)
      click through on those links.  It's like....  reality.

      Loyalty comes from love of good government, not fear of a bad one. Hugo Black.

      by Pondite on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:02:04 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  The only thing better than great sarcasm.... (4.00) the guy who doesn't get it. No offense - but excellent! A 4 for your ego!

      Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering what average opinion believes average opinion to be. (J.M. Keynes)

      by davinic on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:23:01 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Mate (4.00)
      you missed the sarcasm but you are dead-on right about the kind of people we are dealing with in the Republican party.

      I just read Animal Farm. I feel like one of the Animals. We're not people to them, we're "lower classes". We're probably "lower classes" to a lot of Dems too, to be honest.

  •  I saw the title and thought (4.00)
    oh shit I can't believe anyone would still be for not fillibustering Alito. I wasn't going to read it because I thought I'd get too angry.

    I'm glad I did read it and now I've rec'd it. You've done a great job of highlighting all the reasons why we can't let Bush win this one without a fight.

    We all seem to be saying that it's unlikely to succeed but I'm not so sure. I've seen that Harry won't will just go along with whatever happens but that would be so unlike him.

    I'm thinking they knew all along what they were going to do and are setting up an amBush, popping up at the last minute with more fire power than anyone thought they had.

    It's a great fight.

    -4.25, -6.87: Someday, after the forest fire of the Right has died we'll say "Whew, I'm happy that's over."

    by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:44:15 PM PST

  •  You know (4.00)
    I was about 1/2 way through this diary and thought dam this guy has a point the sky isn't falling and good ol' GWB is hella likable when you look past all his failings.

    Thanks for making me see the light. Maybe later I'll read the rest of this but for now I'm off to sell my prius on ebay and look for a used hummer that some poor shmuck sold believing all that lefty clap trap about melting ice caps and high fuel cost.

  •  A piece of brilliance. (4.00)
    Yes, brilliant satire, and the best short summary of what has happened (but you left out the NSA illegal civilian spying...).  I will print this out and tape it to my... (forehead, mirror, wall, workspace, front door, mailbox...)

    The end is near for those who wait.

    by tc59 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:48:20 PM PST

    •  So sad (4.00)
      It is sad that there are so many plausibly impeachable and egregious offenses that I couldn't possibly list them all.  And we're only halfway through the second term.  I mean the NSA is one of the worst and my mind was boggled with all of them that I left that out.  Oh, wait, I'll take the Administration defense.  

      Nobody could have predicted that you would notice the NSA scandal wasn't in the diary.

      •  Halfway.....?>/??? (none)
        Good ole' George was sworn in on 1/20/2005, that is, one week and eight days into this term; nearly three years remain..

        God, I wish we were half way through.....

        Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering what average opinion believes average opinion to be. (J.M. Keynes)

        by davinic on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:25:46 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  "God, I wish we were half way through" (none)
          We might be ... if the Dems win both houses of Congress in the fall!


          No animals were harmed in the making of this comment (although a chimp may have had his feelings hurt).

          by Shiborg on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 11:45:00 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  adding brilliance (none)
        to brilliance.  An embarrassment of riches.

        The end is near for those who wait.

        by tc59 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:16:31 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Best. Snark. Ever. (4.00)
    And the award goes to....jasonwhat!

    "...with liberty and justice for al[most everybody]."

    by PeteyP on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:49:17 PM PST

  •  This is maybe the best... (none)
    diary I've read.  It is without question the snarkiest.

    Mmmmmmmm....  Fresh snark.

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ---George Orwell -6.63; -6.51

    by TheKickingDonkey on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:56:49 PM PST

    Awesome ... chilling.


  •  couldn't disagree more (4.00)
    I think we're allowed more than one fight.  In fact if we begin to fight hard, we might win a few.  That might make the sad sacks who voted for W take a second look at the Democrats in the midterms, as a nice side benefit.  But winning some of these important battles is important in and of itself, irrespective of future elections or future legislative issues.  Alito is going to be bad for lots of people and ought to be fought, if not stopped.  So fight on, Dems!  I for one would sure feel better!
  •  Perfect! (4.00)
    I am sick and tired of being sick and tired.
  •  You know... I think that dry powder (4.00)
    is powderized anthrax.
    •  Speaking of anthrax (none)
      Are we still chasing that anthrax killer? Seems like he sure did run and hide. With all the spying, you'd think we could figure out who of a small handful of people who had anthrax knowledge unleashed this wmd on the American people.

      As I recall, it was a powerful weapon that persuaded the press and congress to vote for the Patriot Act. Considering that the Patriot Act is going to be reconsidered, should we  expect another attack soon?

  •  Keeping our Powder Dry (none)
    Is just as bad analogy for our situation right now as "This is not a hill to die on".  

    This is a fight to have if there ever was.

    The whole point of the GOP doing this nomination is to take the powder AWAY and clear all future HILLS.  

    Now is the time.

  •  Please cross-post this jasonwhat (4.00)
    MyDD, Atrios, TPM Cafe, AmericaBlog, forums - hell, this should be a NY Times editorial.  It's funny enough.

    "I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." -- Adlai Stevenson

    by Scientician on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:07:49 PM PST

  •  Your arguments are ridiculous (4.00)
    Your statements are poorly stated and your argument specious:

    1. Voter Fraud & Alito - What, you HONESTLY think that if Dems do NOT filibuster and Alito is confirmed, he will be so GRATEFUL that he suddenly become a completely kind of person than he's been in the past and will make decisions more favorable towards Dems?

    This is just BEYOND naieve. Besides, by your 'theory' of Alito 'rewarding' his aliies - Bushco has already done SO MUCH MORE for Alito than any Dem ever could - his future decisions should be foregone conclusion.

    2 & 3.  Terrorist attack & war mongering - While these are likely scenarios, they have nothing to do with Alito - and if the Dems filibuster it I don't see how this would effect any Republican shennanigans.

    4. Voter Fraud (again): Thank you for providing such an EXCELLENT reason for why ALITO'S NOMINATION MUST BE FILIBUSTERED.

    Having said that:

    I'm afraid you are trapped in the neocon 'winning isn't the most important thing - it's the only thing" mentality. You see any loss as a source of weakness. WELL IT DOESN"T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY. Losses can UNIFY PEOPLE and rally them to a common cause. I am old enough to remember America after Nixon resigned. I remember articles in the papers titled "Can the Republican Party be saved from extinction"? I remember what a joke Ronald Reagan was - always running for President in the primaries and getting defeated in the convention.

    Well you know WHAT? Within defeat the Republicans found unity. Despite several failures Ronald Reagan kept plugging away and eventually found his time.

    What makes this time so crucial is that the neocons are dismantling the very wheels of justice that allow for peaceful transferral of power from one party to another. For the very issues of election fraud that you bring up - Alito is potentially another nail in the coffin of democracy and so automatically represents a force that will 'get our powder WET' if confirmed.

    In any case, I myself have come up with a few actually GOOD reasons as to why some Dems might NOT want to vote to filibuster, but this post is long enough - you can click on my name and look through my prior posts.

  •  So many people are going to get (4.00)
    busted by this diary. Offense: Didn't read it.

    Bravo! So well done and lots of work!

    "If you're going through hell, keep going". -Winston Churchill

    by One bite at a time on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:10:17 PM PST

    •  lazy (4.00)
      It would be funny if it didn't happen all of the time.  People read the first 3 lines and get all huffy and puffy.
    •  DKos needs more humour like this (4.00)
      This diary is such a sleeper hit but it has all the best elements:

      1. it's well researched, finding all those links must have been time consuming

      2. It's well written, it doesn't immediately give away that it's snark.  It's only as you start going through the list of possible "future" fights the Democrats need to save their strength for that you begin laughing

      3. The title is innocuous, and not in Caps, and no exclamation marks (I think there should be rules against Caps and multiple exclamation marks and "breaking" diaries that are in no way breaking)

      4. It's fucking funny.  Black humour of the best sort.

      Let this be a wake up call to read the fucking diaries before responding people!

      "I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." -- Adlai Stevenson

      by Scientician on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:20:12 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Wrong. (4.00)
    The fight to stop Alito is one that we cannot win.

    No it's not.

  •  dry powder (4.00)
    One thing about keeping your powder dry is that when you've lost the war your powder is still dry when it's confiscated.
  •  If we have 41 Senators who support a fillibuster (none)
    We should definitely fillibuster. Alito is not just a crazy right-winger, he's racist, sexist, a liar, and there isn't even a vacancy on the court right now.

    The only thing pragmatic to consider is to not attempt a fillibuster if we don't have the votes.

  •  Amazing (none)
    to see all the misdeeds of an adminstration. Laid out in front of you. Has it been a dream?

    "Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground?" -George Washington

    by House on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:15:36 PM PST

  •  I wonder if our team... (4.00)
    .. will finally step up when we can hyperlink every conceivable English phrase to some example of Bush's incompetence or of the voters' desire for someone with spine to confront these weasels.

    Well said.  This Southern liberal rants right along with you.

    You can never ask too many questions.

    by socratic on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:16:37 PM PST

  •  a wake up call that came too late (4.00)
    It's like all the times I have heard "Fascists were narrowly avoided from taking over"?

    Yes, that totalitarian rule and destruction of government was saved by those patriots and humanists that "kept their powder dry".

    George Washington, Sam Adams, Paul Revere, Ben Franklin, guys like that - they all kept their powder dry.


    Good diary - even if a bit on the übersnarky side - recommend!

    "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

    by shpilk on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:23:13 PM PST

  •  can't win, if you don't play n/t (none)

    fact does not require fiction for balance

    by mollyd on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:28:22 PM PST

  •  Mes hommages to jasonwhat (4.00)
    who has created The Diary to End all Diaries (at least until the next one comes along).

    Yes, let's keep our powder dry and our noses clean until a real emergency comes along....

    Save it for a rainy day, etc., etc., etc.  

    "Pro-life" really means "pro-criminalization"

    by Radiowalla on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:32:58 PM PST

  •  there is (none)
    no point to keeping the "powder dry" in a war that has already progressed to what the other side terms the "nuclear option".  You see, we are way passed the days of flintlocks here and the other side knows it.  They are willing to have Roe vs. Wade overturned even if it costs them getting elected after it happens.  That is dedication to ones principles.  We can't continue to sit on the sidelines waiting for the right opportunity to defend what we value.  The other side is already defining the battle.  There is no reason to hold our fire for another day here.

    In the absence of fear, truth becomes absolute.

    by bohdi777 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:39:18 PM PST

    •  2 things (none)
      1. did you read the whole diary, and even 10% of the comments, because it's not clear to me you did.

      2. They don't term it the nuclear option.  They call it the "constitutional option."  Did they ever call it the nuclear option?  Who came up with that term?  

      "I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." -- Adlai Stevenson

      by Scientician on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:48:45 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  They coined the term (none)
        It was THEIR term.  THEIRS.

        And from the minute it saw the light of day and made people say, "Whoah!" they've been spinning like hell to get people to call it the "Constitutional Option" and get idiots in the media to frame Democrats as shrill and mean for calling it what it has been since the start: the Nuclear Option.

        It was THEIR term.

        Please do not buy into their obfuscation and lies.

        •  Trent Lott? (none)
          I think it was Senator Trent Lott...He said it on C-Span or CNN or something like that. I remember hearing him say it, and then it became common usage for awhile, till, like you say, the Republicans realized that it would probably hurt them. Hence the "kinder, gentler" Constitutional Option version...
          •  I believe (none)
            you to be correct. Trent Lott came up with that gem. They changed it when they figured out Joe Sixpack might think "why are the Repubs tearing up the senate" when they heard "nuclear option"
      •  Trent Lott (none)

        Senator Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) first suggested using a ruling of the chair to defeat a filibuster of judicial nominees in February 2003. The code word for the plan was "Hulk." Weeks later Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) coined the term nuclear option. The maneuver was called the nuclear option because it was seen as a last resort with possibly major consequences for both sides.

        Just because we can, that doesn't mean we should.

        by Simplify on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 01:42:54 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  yeah (none)
        you are right.  I skimmed it and posted a comment.  Should have read it a little better to catch the nuance but I still stick by my original post with regards to the entire subject.

        In the absence of fear, truth becomes absolute.

        by bohdi777 on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 02:32:05 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Forget it (none)
    This is the big one now!  The only action we can take that would ensure failure to filibuster Alito is no action at all.

    This is a defining moment.  We have to try to start a groundswell.  Get on board and quit waffling.

    The so-called, "Global War On Terror" IS Terrorism!

    by november3rd on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:46:35 PM PST

  •  What powder? (none)
    We don't have any powder. Some Texan barged in and snorted it all up.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:50:14 PM PST

  •  an absolutely brilliant post (none)
    Thank you.
  •  You got me! (none)
    After your first paragraph I was gettin riled up and ready to flame.

    You suckered me. Excellent post.

    [ Anyone who thinks my bark is worse than my bite, has never seen me bite. ] -6.63 | -5.38

    by dj angst on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:54:18 PM PST

  •  I needed some upside-down humor, thanks (none)
    Nice change during these days, and even adds to the inspiration for gunning with all the dry powder we can fire.
  •  wow.... (none)
    I was about to kick your ass for a minute there.

    I started annoyed...half-read for a minute...gave up...watched a minute or two of the movie I'm watching...

    then I re-read the whole thing:)

    Fucking brilliant:)

  •  Milk (none)
    I can't find the right adjective for this diary, but thanks - it does a body good!
  •  One reason (none)
    I think part of our problem is that Shrub kept his dry powder.
  •  All 4 would be no Different! (4.00)
    Why keep the Powder dry?  Not one of those things would be any different.  They've already stolen 2 elections, have created a war for lies and pushed through some of the most unConstitutional measures in this once great nation's history.

    So instead of developing a spine, you are advocating we roll over and spread em, again.

    Sorry Chuckles, the KY doesn't work anymore.

  •  so fucking recommended (4.00)
    brilliant. perfect.

    a million fours and my itchy finger is on the telephone dial.

    "I did NOT have sex with that lobbyist!"

    by donailin on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:54:40 PM PST

  •  I think you're wrong (4.00)
    I understand everything that you're saying, but we do not negotiate with terrorists. Especially right-wing fascists and cop-out Democrats who would vote for cloture. Want them to bring down the constitution? If so, then just stand by while some conservative nutjob gets put on the highest court in the nation. If not, at least TRY to stop this guy.

    Pragmatism is the reason why the Democrats are the minority right now. We failed to stand in the way of the GOP fascism machine and now we are paying the price. Do we want to stop them? If we do, we had better go for their cruel, sadistic throats.

  •  But what if we simply had a President... (4.00)
    ... who was a certifiable idiot (by IQ standards)?  Say, a President who was a Hollywood actor who was going senile, or a President who was a former drug addict who never actually had a real job?

    What would we do then?

    Just askin'...

    Visit Satiric Mutt -- my contribution to the written cholesterol now clogging the arteries of the Internet.

    by Bob Johnson on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:00:21 PM PST

    •  Oh come on, Rex (4.00)
      Keep it within the realm of possibility, I mean really.  A drug addict, who's still a dry drunk, who avoided going to Nam and went AWOL from his national guard service, who can barely put a sentence together becoming president?  Who embarked on a disastrous and unnecessary war, outted a CIA agent, and broke laws willy-nilly as president?  Like the media would ever stand for that!  I mean we're talking about the liberal media!

      Well, in the very unlikely possibility of that happening, I would say that our only alternative would be to keep our powder very dry, for eight years if we had to ...

      -- Stu

      •  I see your point. (none)
        Imagine having an officially-declared "idiot" as President who illegally spied on citizens.

        No one would ever put up with that, I'm sure.
        Thank God for the Fourth Estate.

        Visit Satiric Mutt -- my contribution to the written cholesterol now clogging the arteries of the Internet.

        by Bob Johnson on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:26:24 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  disagree (none)
        about keeping our powder dry for eight years.

        That strategy has worked swimmingly so far.

        • The world is safer
        • we all have more money in our paychecks and more job security than we did five years ago
        • our phone calls aren't being monitored
        • our google porn searches aren't going to become government property
        • our grandparents and ailing family members are not dying because they can't afford their meds
        • We've only lost one major American City, although the loss in New York on 9/11 was just as grievous
        • What we've done in Iraq is hateful, sick, and wrong


        let's shut up and wait for three more years to do anything about it

  •  You know what's missing? A Diary tag ... (4.00)
    ...labeled Ka-pow!

    Two years of writing Diaries. A handful of commenters and Recommends. And then ... ka-pow!

    One more thing about why I love about this place. Mucho kudos, jasonwhat.

  •  Jason - terrific diary - very creative!! (none)

    Bush is NOT America!

    by annefrank on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:08:01 PM PST

  •  Ssssssssss (none)
    nnnnaaaaarrrrrkkkkk....great diary!

    "Much Madness is divinest sense, to a discerning eye. Much sense, the starkest madness." Emily Dickinson

    by SherriG on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:10:27 PM PST

  •  I was ready to go to fisticuffs! (none)
    EXCELLENT diary. The very best.  Certainly one to pass around, if you don't mind.

    THANK YOU!!!

    The radical right takeover of the Supreme Court underscores EVERYTHING.  Just simply everything.

    LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

    by letsfight on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:18:24 PM PST

  •  The idea is to shoot your gun to practice (none)
    So maybe you miss, but at least you know that you can actually pull the trigger an a bullet will come out.

    If you never take a little powder and shoot it, when you have to do it to win a battle you might be less than effective an die.

    FILIBUSTER!; an oasis of truth. -1.75 -7.23

    by Shockwave on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:41:39 PM PST

  •  F-ing Brilliant (none)
    I actually laughed for probably around an hour.  Satire, sarcasm, snark, call it what you want - but it's amazing.  Great job.

    The best part though is definately the number of posters you basically tricked into believing you were serious, and then immediately realized their mistake and replied to themselves.

    "...but the people aren't looking for a handout/they're America's working core, can this be what they voted for?" - Bad Religion - Let Them Eat War

    by Fraction Jackson on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:55:41 PM PST

  •  Gullible (4.00)


    You're gullible.

    You are thinking EXACTLY how Karl ROve wants you to--

    "We better not make any moves because you don't know WHAT that crazy Bush will do"

    Truth is-

    1. THey would shit themselves if we did stand up

    2. if the Democratic party can't fix teh fucking voting machines/rigged recounting process/legal traps then they don't deserve to be in power

    Bush will be impeached.

    by jgkojak on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 12:01:00 AM PST

  •  Everyone has a point of view (4.00)
    And everyone is entitled to their own views -- I respect that.  But as far as the premises of this diary, I cannot agree with it at all.  (I will not use the single word that truely comes to mind, for that would be neither objective nor fair.)

    It is difficult to get the right answers if you don't ask the right questions!

    by wgard on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 12:22:12 AM PST

  •  Are you kidding??? (4.00)
    Save it for a real fight? this is the real fight
    I heartily disagree with this diary...

    Have you even read all the heartfelt pleas of average Americans. You pragmatists are what keep us indecisive.Thank goodness there were the first patriots or we wouldn't have a country or a Constitution to speak of.

  •  Fuck that bullshit (none)
    We need to fight now for those scenarios

    You all have to admit, if all the crazies were not around life would have less purpose

    by genethefiend on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 01:00:01 AM PST

  •  Calmos, folks! (none)
    The whole diary is an informative snark about WHY we SHOULD NOT keep our powder dry!

    jasonwhat, thanks for this diary.  When I see all the horrific liberties Bush et al. have taken summed up like this, it gives me even more energy to fight!

  •  Heh. (none)
    If I didn't know you better I'd say you were being serious.
  •  Lots of Dry Powder (none)
    "Dubya" has over 1,000 days left in office.... John F. Kennedy's presidency lasted less than 1,000 days.... there's still lots of time left in Bush's presidency. How much dry powder remains in the warehouse?
  •  Definitely a kick in the ass! (none)
    That gotta hurt. Snark is best with a lot of reality behind it!

    Restore Democracy! Denounce the GOP (George Orwell's Party)!

    by high5 on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 05:01:42 AM PST

  •  Ridiculous... (none)
    So don't fight a fight that actually exists here and now so MAYBE kinda sorta if there is one that appears in the future we can use some abstract "powder" we somehow store in imaginary bins (right next to Iraqs WMDs!)

    Fucking ridiculous.

  •  And the Winner is. . . . (none)
    Jasonwhat, for sarcasm and irony exceeding the talents of even my 15-year-old son.  What a great diary.  I'm glad I read it carefully before starting to get incensed! Planning to spend some more time today calling, faxing and/or e-mailing.  

    Take Back the House in 2006!

    by Rona on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 05:22:02 AM PST

  •  This diary is so dry.... (none)
    I think it could ignite at any moment.
    Well - maybe there will be a spark on Monday.

    "The good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge" Bertrand Russell

    by donag on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 05:31:52 AM PST

  •  First They came for the Gays... (none)
    Then they came for the Jews
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for the Communists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Communist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left
    to speak out for me.

    (Pastor Martin Niemöller (modified))

    we have no one to blame but ourselves if we don't work hard to resist and tell the world that now this "great nation" is eating its own, and invading soveriegn nations....
    and so on....

  •  Gosh! The THINGS you imagine! (none)
    I am keeping my powder dry.

    The President says that Sam Alito is an honorable man and he is known to be an honest guy, so, gosh darn, I am keeping my powder dry.

    And his wife CRIED. We should be so ashamed.

    "It is not too late at all. You just do not yet know what you are capable of." Mahatma Gandhi

    by Percheronwoman on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 05:36:47 AM PST

  •  wonderful (none)
    thanks.  disappointing, to realize that so many people just read the first 2 lines of something & then start flaming... but what can you do.

    very well done!

    although it's getting late, you still have plenty of time

    by maracuja on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 05:36:54 AM PST

  •  Hats off, Jason! (none)
    A consummate and sound indictment of the Bush administration and the Republican party. One for keeps.

    thanks for your effort and the post.

    Dean inspires me, Katrina stirred me, Gore leads me. Draft Al Gore for President!

    by NeuvoLiberal on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 05:56:03 AM PST

  •  You forgot #5 (none)
    If they ever load us up onto trains headed for the "Re-education camps," that will be the time to really take a stand. Then we can really make a fuss!

    I'm sure those NSA computers are doing a great job of building up profiles of who needs to be re-educated.

    Bush Wants Absolute Power To Run A War He Lied To Start.

    by bejammin075 on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 05:59:46 AM PST

  •  LOL! Award Winning Sarcasm!! (none)
    I love it!

    Those so called "pragmatists" are always telling us to keep that powder dry, but sorry if I don't feel like dying with bag full of "dry" powder... I want to go down with an empty bag and no bullets.

  •  We have plenty.... (none)
    ....of dry powder, we should consider a little target practice.
  •  The diarist is confused aobut one thing (none)
    Pragmatists want a filibuster. Triangulators want to keep the powder dry. Both on this site and in professional politics, all those figures that I recognize as pragmatists support a filibuster and are pushing hard for it, while recognizing our chances are thin.
    •  Except (none)
      YOU are looking at it from YOUR pragmatic point of view. What the uninformed mainstream media watcher perceives as "activist" or "obstructionist" is what people like you and I view as pragmatic... And the elected Democrats who are choosing to follow the media line instead of representing their constituents are the big problem here... Dems need to do what is right for their constituents.

      I for one, am sick of having to watch every single move my Democrats make to prevent them from stabbing us in the back the first chance they get.

  •  Sen. Graham = Dickhead (none)
    Graham's "there will be a backlash all across the country" if there's a filibuster-- what a Load.

    "We have no right to surrender our inheritance to boors and tyrants". Paul Goodman 1962

    by Superpole on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 06:53:10 AM PST

  •  i say (none)

    fight now

    fight then

    fight for every scenerio listed and any your imagination comes up with

    dems have been keeping the powder dry for so long it's rotted in the cellar and has gone to waste -- this is the precise thinking that drives me freakin' crazy because there will ALWAYS be some kind of stupid scenerio that we should keep our powder dry for.

    fight until we're exhausted and then fight some more.

  •  Very good work, Jason... (none)
    ...Can you tell that we're all just itching for a fight?

    "...and the ones that are lucky ones come home on the day after tomorrow..." -- Tom Waits

    by Newton Snookers on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 07:17:46 AM PST

  •  Raid the armory! (none)
    Get the powder into the hands of a New Party!

    This diary is an indictment of Democratic leadership.  Where the hell has the opposition been?

    "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonest war." - Mark Twain

    by skwimmer on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 07:20:10 AM PST

  •  brilliant! (none)
    That will teach me to go to bed before 1am. I could have gone to bed laughing till I cried.
    Pretty good laugh this morning though, folks not reading before they comment, then having to have a plate of crow.
    Brilliant. Off goes the link!
  •  That's brilliant! (none)
    I'm subscribing to your diary.  You put a lot of work into that.  
  •  haha (none)
    Nice.  I read the first of your options and it hadn't quite revealed itself to be sarcasm, and I was about to hop on with a comment about how stupid you were, but then I kept reading and its brilliant.  Good work!

    If not now, when? If not us, who?

    When do real problems become ones worth fighting for, rather than simply shrugging our soldiers, bemoaning our lack of power? Funny thing, I thought we were the ones with the real power.  Bush is president because enough people say he is and the rest of us are too tired to tell him to fuck off for being an evil bastard.  

    Filibuster = much needed flipping off of the GOP.  If, for nothing else, to prove that we're not too tired to do it.  That is, if stopping another bastard from getting on the court with his racist, ant-citizen, anti-woman ass.  

  •  Both Sides Are Right... (none) some extend. This kossack agrees that we should go all out in advocating for a filibuster to prevent this insulting nomination by the Republicans. However, this kossack also understands that Democrats have only so much power, and not nearly as much power as some think they do to stop this nomination, and not nearly as much as they should have to prevent such atrocities as the Alito nomination from even getting as far as it did in the future.

    From some of the commentaries hear in these discussions one would think it was the Democrats responsible for making this nomination and having the Republican-dominated Senate act on that nomination.

    While Democrats can, and most certainly should be held accountable for how they act on this nomination, it is the Republicans who are responsible for it. We need to stop holding Democrats responsible for the outrageous actions of Republicans.

    Again, if Democrats had more power in the Senate
    (more Senators) this nomination could more easily have been stopped in committee; if the Democrats were in control of the Senate it's likely they could have put the kibosh on it, as well...or that such an outrageous nomination might not even have been attempted to begin with.

    If the Democrats were in charge of th White House and Senate, nobody remotely close to Alito would ever even have been nominated in the first place.

    So, yes...agree with the poster that no matter how strongly we feel about this, we need to keep our perspective as to who the true perpetrators of this action was...and, for me, this will make me redouble my efforts going forward to help ensure Democrats in the future have more power tyo prevent nominations like this in the electing more Democrats (and, yes, tolerating that half a dozen or so Democrats who will be necessary to us going forward, but who can't always be counted on to support everything we progressives do).

  •  Filibuster or not (none)
    This should be read on the Senate floor by the first person to take the floor Monday opposed to Alito...

    Chris Matthews must apologize! --- Join the Google Bomb

    by justmy2 on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 08:51:44 AM PST

  •  very good.. (none)
    three questions for us all....
    if now when....
    if not here where....
    if not me who.....
    it is the answers to these questions which may help the democrats to return to the party of the little guy....then I and millions of others woulf again vote with them and they again would have some power....from the peoeple....they left us...we did not leave them...  we are still waiting for them to have the courage and conviction to oppose the march to facism...rather than just follow along

    it is our cares which organize the human mind....

    by wildwisefree on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 08:53:37 AM PST

  •  Wow, great satire (none)
    Are you by any chance related to the novelist Jonathan Swift?

    I've been a registered Independent waiting for a party for a long time now.  The Democrats have politicians who show some promise (Conyers, Pelosi, Boxer, Reid, Murtha, Mikulski), but then there are these other guys (Clinton, Lieberman) who make me wonder what's going on with the Dems.  I'm beginning to wonder if we need to create a third "real" party with some backbone to take on the neocons.

    Great diary, thanks

  •  excellent diary! (none)
    Unfortunately, many will just read the headline and think that you are nuts.

    There is a lesson here:  how people respond to the media.  Darn it, but 2-3 days ago there was an excellent article at the Smirking Chimp about how we are getting jobbed in the MSM because of the headlines and story lines, never mind if the actual stories themselves are balaced and point out the bad things that the repukes are doing.

    Anyway, you got a recommend from me, for what that is worth (which isn't much :-) )

    When liberals saw 9-11, we wondered how we could make the country safe. When conservatives saw 9-11, they saw an investment opportunity.

    by onanyes on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 09:14:58 AM PST

  •  Best-Formatted Diary of the Week (none)
    And the award goes to jasonwhat for exemplary use of hyperlinks.

    Bush is the first President to admit to an impeachable offense. - John Dean

    by easong on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 09:47:40 AM PST

  •  Really now, people (none)
    It's disappointing to see a lot of the comments above, from folks who obviously didn't read past the first paragraph. Or, even scarier, those who read the whole thing and still didn't get the point.

    Shouldn't we hold ourselves to a slightly higher standard here? We're the ones who know how to read for context and comprehension, remember? I mean, if we're gonna go on about the "sheeple" and the stupid American public, it might behoove us to recognize a satirical anvil when it drops on our heads, don't you think?

    How DARE I criticize the President in wartime?

    by MeMeMeMeMe on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 09:50:09 AM PST

    •  Actually.... (none)
      It didn't cross my mind that anyone would write such a satirical piece on the day before such a critical battle. I enjoy reading and writing satire, but there are times when clear communication becomes crucial :

      Spotter : OK,  drop a round or two on that village full of innocent civilians [ gives coordinates ]  

      Artillery Man : "Roger... [ fires artillery shell ] ...what was that first thing you said before you gave me those coordinates ?"

      Spotter : "Umm.... you don't get satire , do you ?"

  •  These arguments (none)
    Don't have any logical coherence, in my opinion.

    By neglecting to fight, the Democratic Party does not lose "powder". The analogy is seriously confused. Political capital is ruled heavily by perception, and perceived weakness - and unwillingness to stand on principle - is highly corrosive of political capital.

    I hope other readers carefully consider the arguments presented here for logical continuity. I certainly can't find any.

    As far as the "pragmatists" of the Democratic Party go.....

    You mean the self-styled centrists who have been caving to conservative pressure and ceding ground to the Christian right for two decades now, correct ?

    I think I'll look elsewhere for counsel.

    •  Aha ! Satire..... (none)
      I'm not sure I think this diary was a wise idea.

      Satire is misplaced in battle.  Skewering quavering "pragmatists" of the Democratic Party might be wiser left until after the nomination fight.

      •  Satire Unwise? Misplaced in battle? (none)
        It's more effective and more oft employed in battle than anywhere else! The pen is mightier than the sword and all that jazz?

        Straight exposition, breaking news and action alerts are all absolutely vital in this effort, but there's no shortage of those at the moment, and sometimes there's just nothing like well-crafted skewering to expose wrongthink in all its spurious glory, leaving its espousers with littlewhere to hide.  

        If memory serves, you've served up some very effective, sharply humorous essays yourself, Mr. Trout :)

        With love,

        Jonathan Swift
        Mark Twain
        George Orwell
        Joseph Heller
        Kurt Vonnegut
        Gary Trudeau
        Lenny Bruce
        and last but not least,
        Jon Stewart

        Is nothing secular?

        by aitchdee on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 02:42:29 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  You do not know Doug Piranha. (none)
        He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious. -- Monty Python
    •  Troutfishing... (none)
      You'll have to make your "humorous misunderstanding" of Jasonwhat's satire a little more pointed, or we'll think you posted without reading any other comments, or even the entire diary!
  •  Hurrah and Huzza! Pip, Pip and all that (none)
    Irony is not dead.  Great Satire.  I personally think that the Senate is a threat to our planet since it contributes to Global Warming with all its bloviating.  

    "There are times in politics when you must be on the right side and lose." John Kenneth Galbraith

    by MontanaMaven on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 11:04:30 AM PST

  •  I get it!!!! (none)
    Great! The whole thread.
  •  WAHT?!?11!! (none)

    Trying To Maintain Rationality
    econatheist's bloggity blog blog

    by EconAtheist on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 01:06:30 PM PST

  •  Wow (none)

    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

    by Catriana on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 01:27:40 PM PST

  •  I agree, no filibuster: useless point-making (none)
    Guys, the votes aren't there.  The points you'll make have aleady been made.  You'll waste our time with further bloviation.  

    Put the energy (and time and words) into a winnable effort.  

  •  You have a really fertile imagination. (none)
    You should write fiction for a living. Everyone knows that nothing like this could ever really happen.

    "And you can dream--So dream out loud--And don't let the bastards grind you down." Bono, Acrobat, Achtung Baby

    by lecsmith on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 04:37:09 PM PST

  •  Recommended (none)
    "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."
    Grace Murray Hopper

    Similarly, powder should be kept dry when not in use, but that is not what it is made for.

  •  Perfectly stated... (none)
    Nice job, Jason.  I've been reading and commenting in Kosworld for almost 2 years now, and this diary is frighteningly funny, while also one of the most apt summaries of the past five years that I have seen.

    Not only do you nail this WPE on his tiny pinhead, but also you have managed to expose several readers of this blog as A.D.D.-inflicted.

    For all of those very individuals, permit me to improve your understanding with a short paraphrase Jasonwhat's diary:


    There.  I feel better now.

    "Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense."  Winston Churchill 29Oct1941

    -4.38, -6.21

  •  This is why the 2nd Amendment is SECOND! (none)
    Absolutely stunning satire!  I was getting SO pissed reading it then BAM it hit me...

    Anyone still think the 2nd Amendment was put in after beating King George to give a future King George the only guns?

  •  Jasonwhat should win an award.... (none)
    ....for most people caught not reading a diary the whole way through.  Or at least revealing the snark impaired among us.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 07:48:39 PM PST

  •  Nice writing, nice style... (none)
    Not sure about powder dry... more like wry doubter; excellent piece regardless, thanks.

    All the king's horses and all the king's men...package and sell it to win it again...

    by MP Three on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 07:59:33 PM PST

  •  This IS the real fight (none)
    You never stop fighting.  Without struggle there is no progress.

    This thread topic is defeatist.   You have to keep challenging the neo cons,  though we should be doing it much better.

    A while back there was a lot of talk about Lakoff and framing on this site,  now its mostly gone and folks are back to the same talking points and strategies that haven't worked well.

    How are you going to get people who aren't active to become active?  

    How are you going to get people who their whole lives haven't thought critically to start analyzing Bush's speeches?

    How are you going to get people who have grown up corporate to suddenly discover their relevance as a citizen?

    The answer, for the most part, to all three of these questions is, you're not going to be able to do any of these.

    For the long term we should be re framing our message and also trying to reform the main agents of socialization in this country, several of which include the mass media and more important the public school system.  

    IMHO this includes but is not limited to "pressing the press."   Drop the rallies directed at the government for the most part.  The media spins them anyway.   Go right at the media for disinforming the public in the first place.  Don't have the rally at the Capitol; have it directed at the Washington Post, as an example.

    Regarding schools, as long as corporate driven standardized testing dominates accountability in this country schools will continue---for most of the millions of kids---to be the boring places that they are.   Dumbed down, jeopardy style, sit and git learning socializes most people to be uninformed, disinterest and lacking in critical thinking faculties.   You think these young commercialized and commodified people are going to all of sudden turn on to our message, when they hit their thirties and forties?
    Forget it.

    "In a system of immense power, small differences can translate into large outcomes." Chomsky

    by formernadervoter on Sun Jan 29, 2006 at 08:08:15 PM PST

  •  Busy weekend (none)
    And I've come to this diary too late to Recommend or give you the thousand 4s I wish I could. Excellent diary. Excellent satire. Bone chilling facts.

    You should be writing for Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert.

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