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Crossposted from MY LEFT WING

The original text is blockquoted below, but it seems cruelly, viciously ironic to keep it up right now.

What I want is a complete list of every Vichy Democratic Senator who voted for Cloture. That's what I want.


Courtesy of Booman:
Nelson (FL)
Nelson (NE)
T. Johnson
B. Lincoln

I don't know what to DO with this list, not yet -- but I know for GODDAMNED sure I won't be VOTING for any of them, lt alone sending them any goddamned MONEY.

Frankly, right now I'd like nothing better than to torpedo the entire lot of them. Just dump them like so much worthless, leaden, VICHY MOTHERFUCKING BALLAST.

I got nothin', folks. Don't look over here if you want comfort or a nice, uplifting LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY speech.

I'M DONE WITH THEM. They are DEAD to me.

Yeah. CANTWELL and BYRD and LANDRIEU and BINGAMAN and every last motherfucking one of them, I'm DONE with them.

I'm registering Independent tomorrow. You're welcome to join me.


Crossposted from My Left Wing

I just got an extraordinary challenge from a staffer in Jeff Bingaman's office:

2000 calls against cloture to his office in the next 20 minutes and Bingaman will be goddamned impressed enough to reconsider his Yes vote on Cloture.

It didn't occur to me to leave him my name, but I did tell him I'd be making an appeal on the Internet.

Here's the toll-free number (though they'll probably tell you the line is busy): 888 355 3588

Here's the direct number to Jeff Bingaman's office: 202 224 5521

Don't bother arguing, just tell them:

"I'm one of the 2000 people from the Internet one of your recent callers promised you'd hear from in the next 20 minutes, and I'm demanding/requesting/asking that Senator Bingaman vote NO on cloture."

Let's see if this means ANYTHING. Make the call.

202 224 5521

Originally posted to My Left Wing on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:16 PM PST.


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  •  As of right now, Bingaman is voting: (3.76)
    No on Alito, Yes on Cloture.

    DON'T bother trying to debate the logic, there IS no logic.

    Just make the call, make it short so the rest of us can get through...

    •  Ohh (4.00)
      There is logic, just not logic anyone here will like!

      Good work.  WE'll see what happens...

      •  Freep THIS poll! Please recommend. (none)
        no.  not the one on the rec list that doesn't actually do anything.

        THIS ONE posted by MSOC!

        Go MSOC!  

        & yeah, keep it short dammit!  we gotta go too!

        •  And yeah, (4.00)
          I voted "Oh you poor naive dear," in the poll.

          I'm NOT naive. I'm motherfucking FURIOUS and channeling it THIS way instead of gnawing off my own goddamned ARM.

          •  So did I (4.00)
            and so am I.

            Thanks, Maryscott. This is too important to roll over on.

            We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor -The Declaration of Independence

            by occams hatchet on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:43:06 PM PST

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          •  me too (3.00)
            i'm not naive either but that doesn't mean we can't channel our energies productively.

            as was stated downthread, there's good reason to wonder about bingaman's sincerity OR ability to handle 2000 calls/20 mins.

            but that's doesn't mean this isn't a good exercise.

            & that doesn't mean it can't translate into something tangible down the line.

            BINGAMAN, YOU PUT YOUR CREDIBILITY ON THIS BET, & WE'RE GONNA MEET IT (busy signals be damned!)

            WILL YOU?

            keep the conversations SHORT PEOPLE!  "No on cloture" & get tha FREAK off the phone!

            we're on concert bathroom rules.  you know.  you got people behind ya waiting to go & you're hogging the stall!

            •  How I wish this weren't at the top of the list. (none)
              It's so fucking awful.

              A giant motherfucking mockery of the idea that what WE, the PEOPLE, say... actually makes a goddamned bit of difference.

              •  We took them out to the woodshed much too (4.00)
                late in their careers.  The majority of our leadership is pretty damn worthless and I am not going to become an Independent, I am going to take my party back from them.  And I am going to say that they suck to high heaven when the do things that suck.  I am pretty tired of the BS around here "Shh don't say anything mean... He is a Democrat."  Fuck that - you don't get to just put a "D" at the end of your name and do whatever the hell you want from there.  If you want to be a Democrat, you have to be a Democrat.  I have argued many times here that a Landrieu in LA, or a Lieberman in CT are no worse at the end of the day than a Republican in their seat.  In fact, I think they are far more dangerous because their "D" lulls so many into a false sense of security about what they will do.  We think they will do the right thing because of the "D", but what is in a "D" if there is no heart and soul.

                I just saw Giuliani speak and frankly he was really good.  Afterwards, someone said that they wished there were more people in politics like him that were not afraid to take political risk.  If he runs for President, he will have her vote no question.  The thing is that she didn't care too much about his real politics or policies.  She was attracted by his obvious adherence to his principles.  

                I didn't have much to say to her except this, "People were really impressed with Hitler's committment to his principles too.  That doesn't mean they were good principles, but they liked his strength and they followed.  So we should be careful and we should not only find strong people, but people who really share our values and objectives."  That is what I am going to do.  I am going to replace those who are masquerading in my party as heroes when they are really villans.

                •  I'm NOT quitting (none)
                  Sure, I do understand the anger and frustration over today's vote.  Hell, when I saw the results, I said, " fuck'em, I give up."  And that's the clean version of what I said.  I started to think that I should abandon the Democratic Party since it abandoned me.  But folks, that's not the truth.  The majority of Democrat Senators voted "No"(THANKS!).  It is the spineless minority that turned their backs on Democrats everywhere.  

                  I'm not naïve as to think that our senators should tote the party line on each and every vote.  Some things they vote for I can live with, while others can be corrected at another time.  A bad program can be unfunded.  A bad law can be repealed.  A piss-poor SCOTUS nominee confirmed with a lifetime appointment can't be undone.

                  So on to my point.  I heard on this site many times "why have the power to filibuster and not use it when it's really needed".  I offer, "why elect a Democrat senator when they won't vote that way when it's really needed".  I heard the pros and cons of mounting a primary challenge against an unpopular, i.e. turncoat, Democrat senator or congressman.  Opponents to that plan say that it would weaken the incumbent Dem, and leave that seat up for grabs by the Repugs.   Its better to get all the Dems you can get, loyal or not, so that we can take back either house of Congress.  And today's debacle is the price you pay for a DINO.

                  Its moments like this that makes me wonder, even if we regained control of Congress and Bush could be impeached, would we still have the votes to impeach and/or convict.
                  It's hard to be the opposition party, when you have opposition within the party.  

                  So yeah, I'm staying to retake my party.  The other choices are too abyssimal to consider.

                  Note to Lieberman:  There is a filled out and signed campaign fundraising check on my desk.  All I need is your primary opponents name.

                  -5.38, -3.23 Support our troops...IMPEACH.

                  by entiel on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 11:02:02 PM PST

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              •  You're not alone, MSO. I'm so pissed I (none)
                can hardly move.  

                Read an interesting thing in the LA Times LTE -- we (ie, the Liberals) are the problem and the Dems have to get rid of us...

                Maybe we'll move to Amsterdam...

          •  Be careful Maryscott ... (none)
            You may get smashed as a troll for suggesting such things!!

            A political fanzine containing random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times: Politizine

            by politizine2 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:06:34 PM PST

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      •  888 # "I don't take messages" (none)
        So don't bother with that one, the NSA recorders are working overtime today!

        Think of the harvest for the Bushite scum- thousands of Bush opponents calling and he can trace all those numbers!

        Trying the 202-224-5521 was also futile.  Naturally the Bingaman types don't even want to hear from the masses anyway- it's all about sucking up to power- but why do they think Bush will always be in office?  Do they know something we don't?  Bush is the lamest of lame ducks, time to stomp him down, and what better opportunity than a "unitary dictator" supporter like Scalito.

        Where was Harriet Mier's Up or Down vote?

      •  2000 in 20 mins? (none)
        How many phones do they have, because that is one call every 0.6 seconds.

        Sure we can find 2000 calls, but they are setting an impossible challenge by saying it has to happen in 20 minutes


        "I don't want to name names, but they know themselves." Koffi Annan

        by Sue in NH on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:30:44 PM PST

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    •  Done (4.00)
      I got right through to a pleasant-sounding woman and read off the paragraph that you suggested callers use quickly, she said okay, and I hung up.
    •  I got through to 202. (nt) (none)

      BushAmerica -- Now killing 24/7/365. *Your tax dollars at work*.

      by Yellow Canary on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:23:23 PM PST

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    •  Mary (none)
      the line is busy....but I'll keep trying to get through.
    •  They cannot answer 2000 calls (none)
      I got a busy signal
    •  Called 10 times ... (none)
      Always busy ... will try some more ...

      9/11/05, Day 1469, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:34:09 PM PST

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    •  Can't get through using (none)
      any of these numbers or the Capitol switchboard.  Busy, busy, busy.  Methinks you've hit a nerve Maryscott.  I'll keep trying.

      "He that sees but does not bear witness, be accursed" Book of Jubilees

      by Lying eyes on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:46:46 PM PST

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    •  question (none)
      in your opinion, if you vote "no", then you are automatically compelled to support a filibuster?

      I believe in saving money. I believe in having a house. I believe in keeping things clean. I believe in exercising.

      by The Exalted on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:57:02 PM PST

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      •  Fuck, yes, you are. (none)
        THIS time?

        You bet your ass.

        THIS WAS THE RUBICON, remember?

        There IS no tomorrow. This is IT. It's OVER.

        And THEY did it. The DEMOCRATS did it.

        •  settle down (4.00)
          the sun will come up tomorrow. The country will live to see another day.

          So we lost this fight. We move on to the next one. We make sure this never happens again.

          We will expose Republicans for what they are -- corrupt liars who don't care about Joe American. We make sure America sees the damage this President has done overseas. We elect a Congress to reassert checks and balances.

          2006 will be a great year for liberals.

          "He's not a leader, he's a Texas Leaguer" - Eddie Vedder

          by griswald11 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:21:59 PM PST

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          •  Translated (4.00)

            We make sure this never happens again.

            You're sure about that? Here's what has happened every goddamned time in the past, instead:

            We make excuses for the inexcusable. We forgive the unforgivable. We lionize our losers. We enthrone failure as noble. We tell ourselves that "they did they best they could," all evidences to the contrary.

            It's the same rollover, weak-kneed thinking which has brought the Democrats to this pretty pass.

            I keep saying that the only way for the Democratic party to regain strength is to learn and maintain iron internal discipline, and that it needs to ruthlessly turn its back on and walk away from its losers. Ostracize them. Dump their asses.

            Instead, it gently forgives them, pats them on the back, and keeps them in power. Where, the next time that crunch time arrives, they will once again predictably fold up like cheap chairs.


            Like many of you, I worked the phones in the last couple of days. I am going to do that again, with the simple core message that if I have a choice between Republican and Republican Lite, I'm just going to cast a protest vote for an ineffectual third party.

            That won't help get me the policies and stances I favor. But to judge by today's result, neither will voting Democratic.

            •  Weak kneed? (none)
              How can we change what happened today? Griping about it sure doesn't. We learn from it and move on. I think you misinterpreted my post. It was meant to encourage people to keep fighting, not "forgive the unforgivable" or "lionize our losers." Everyone knew it was a long shot. It didn't work out, so what's left to do except to keep battling?

              "He's not a leader, he's a Texas Leaguer" - Eddie Vedder

              by griswald11 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:54:36 PM PST

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              •  Learning from it (none)
                Step 1: Continue to scorn the GOP for appealing to its radical right wing base in forcing Miers down and putting in Alito who had spent a career working to end privacay.

                Step 2: Continue to point out Alito as what's wrong with radical right wing judges- voting away civil rights, while protecting corporations and their profits.

                Step 3: Demonize Alito and his three friends- The Federalist 4 is a great descriptor which will catch on if used enough and also works to taint future GOP nominees who belong to this radical group.

                We need to use this as a major step forward in ensuring our rise back to power. We need our politicians to pledge to nominate and vote for judges who will strictly VOW that the Constitution applies to the poor and the weak and not just the rich and powerful.

              •  What do we do? How about (4.00)
                taking a page from Ariel Sharon's book and starting our OWN party....maybe we can recruit Howard Dean to be our leader.

                Clearly Dean is like a salmon swimming upstream with the likes of the corporate-owned DLC running smear campaigns against his efforts as DNC chair....maybe he's just as sick of it...?

                I don't know about you, but I'm crying in my beer right now....and I would love nothing more than to have a leader who listens to me.  If Dean took the courageous step to start a legitimate 3rd party, I'd be there in a heartbeat...and I'd go pert-near bankrupt supporting him.  

                Fuck the DLC and these DINOs.  I'm tired of it.  And I'm heartbroken.  I worked so hard, and got so many friends and family to take a leap of faith and do what I'd asked, only to be SHAT on.  Now all I'm getting from all of them is "Well, I told you so..."


                Oh, I just can't stand it......  :-(

                Time for another beer....

                •  Why another party isnt the answer (none)
                  Israel has (as I am sure you all know) a parliamentary system, not a congressional one.  It also has many parties with some seats in the Knesset.  The reason that the religous wacko parties have such power there (more than proportional) is because the two big parties hardly ever cooperate, and because neither of the big parties gets a majority.

                  All these  are reasons why starting our own party is not a great idea for us progressive democrats, or us progressive Democrats.

                  "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, and the creed of slaves." William Pitt

                  by plf515 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:08:05 PM PST

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                •  and you still have 2 daughters ... (none)
                  All is not lost. We lot a lot, but not all. I'm not saying I'm not anguished--I'm drowning in my beer here too (okay, chocolate donuts). I feel the sorrow in your post so keenly! So I just thought I'd gently remind you of something you already know, that while it's true, this will make life harder for all of our daughters ... at this moment, they're still our daughters. Your girls are alive and healthy and smilin' at you today as yesterday as tomorrow. And that's ... wow, that's the whole ballgame right there, ain't it? There's still a lot of love and goodness in this sorry old world. And if the bad guys intersect with your kids' lives one day, you'll find a way. You will fight it or get around it somehow. You'll do whatever is necessary. We all will.

                  So hold 'em close, my friend. In fact, give 'em big hugs from all of us. We're with you. So very with you.  

                  Is nothing secular?

                  by aitchdee on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:20:01 PM PST

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              •  What do you mean it was a long shot? (none)
                It wasn't even a shot with half our Democrats stacked
                against us so ready to sell us out.

                I am sick of corporate sponsors parading as Democrats.

                Damn it if they want to further the republican agenda then
                get the hell out of the party and join the Repugs.

                Am I pissed ? YES

                Hell I am 67 years old and I don't want to die under a
                damn dictatorship.

                I want my country back!!!

                by eaglecries on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 06:21:09 PM PST

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          •  You Did NOT Lose the Fight (4.00)
            they did NOT Fucking fight.

            Losing a fight is honorable, refusing to fight is cowardice.

            There is institutionalised cowardice at the top of the party and it is now wholly and evidently enabling and supporting a fascist stae.

            THIS is how it happened in Nazi Germany, Its over.

            The Number of the Beast 72-25

            by Deep Dark on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:55:26 PM PST

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        •  Maryscott, do you really want to be as vindictive (4.00)
          as this current Administration who punishes everyone who feels differently than they do?  Do you really?  I, too, have had the exact same instinct.  I want to see Mary Landrieu, the two-timing mendacious phony gone.  I want every single one of those Senators who voted "no" on Alito only to vote "yes" on cloture to be confronted with the consequences of their vote every single sorry day of their lives.

          But to write a "blacklist" and pile our venom and hate would be behaving in the exact manner of the enemies we loathe so much. And to give up on the Democratic Party would be the victory our enemies have longed for.

          I sound like Barak Obama whom I scorn.  But I'm tired of feeling disbelief at the actions of democrat leaders, I'm tired of railing around.  I'm tired of my addiction to my well-deserved indignation at these moral cowards. But stop, think, and remember: "Revenge is a dish best served cold".  Let's take care of these cowards one at a time.  To make a list public will only marginalize our cause. We're not fucked.

          •  It is about accountability. (none)
            Not vengence.  No one pays attention unless you force them to.  That is why the Republicans leveraged 32% of the voting population to rule this country.  We need to learn that lesson.

            "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..."

            by waztec on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:52:43 PM PST

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    •  What to do with that list of names (4.00)
      Primary challengers, next election.  Every fucking one of them.

      Let's replace them with some actual vertebrates.

      All of life is an unanswered question, but let's still believe in the dignity and importance of the questions. - Tennessee Williams

      by Leslie in CA on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:03:06 PM PST

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    •  Don't give up on the party... (none)
      I think the best thing to do is go after those dems in the primary. Let's start putting up primary challengers.

      I'm 44 and have NEVER voted for a turd in any election. Not-a-one...

    •  I'm Movin to Canada, Adios (none)
      Canada elected a minority Conservative government last week, but not a NeoCon ReligioFascist Fantasyland government.
      •  Good riddance. (none)

        MLK didn't "move to Canada."  Neither did many other heros of the left who faced setbacks, real adversity, discrimination, and imprisonment.  They fought to improve our country.  Why?  Because they were patriots of the highest order.

        I have no need of your rhetoric.

        Good riddance.

      I'm f*cking p*ssed off too, MSOC, but this was a battle, not the war.

      We have one more chance to knock off this confirmation and we must be cool and levelheaded to do it.  Believe me, I'm challenged to be calm; my kids are worried because I've already been beating on the table and screaming at that d*ckhead DeMint on television.


      Take a deep cleansing breath, in, out.

      Then turn on the cold b*tch-itude.  I already have.

      First, we need the names of every one of the f*ckers that backslid today and check their declared votes for the final tomorrow.

      We need to call, fax, email every one of them.

      We need to call, fax email every Senator who is still on the fence.

      IT CAN WORK.  It did today with Senator Levin; he went from on the fence with cloture at 900am, then voted with us against cloture by early afternoon.  

      And after tomorrow, when the dust settles, we can still take back our party. Remember what MoveOn said last fall: WE BOUGHT IT, WE OWN IT, IT'S OURS.

      It's time to be the REPO MAN and take it back from every damned DINO.  They will make it very easy to identify them solidly with their vote tomorrow.

      Much easier than building a critical mass for a new third party before November this year.

      Stay the course, MSOC; you can do this.  You are a force of nature and you can do it.  It's just going to take literally kicking some ass.

      •  AGH!!! The diaries are moving too fast!! (none)
        I need the list of backsliders, the ones who originally showed as NO on cloture then switched their votes.

        I need the list of undeclareds on confirmation as it stood going into the vote.

        Anybody got it?  The other diaries are gone that had the names and numbers.

        •  GOT IT: THE TARGET LIST (none)
          Voted YES for cloture.  These are targets for potential replacement if they don't vote NO on Alito tomorrow:

          Akaka, Daniel K. (D-HI) Yes
          Baucus, Max (D-MT) Yes
          Bingaman, Jeff (D-NM) Yes
          Byrd, Robert C. (D-WV) Yes
          Cantwell, Maria (D-WA) Yes
          Carper, Thomas R. (D-DE) Yes
          Conrad, Kent (D-ND) Yes
          Dorgan, Byron L. (D-ND) Yes
          Inouye, Daniel K. (D-HI) Yes
          Johnson, Tim (D-SD) Yes
          Kohl, Herb (D-WI) Yes
          Landrieu, Mary L. (D-LA) Yes
          Lieberman, Joseph I. (D-CT) Yes
          Lincoln, Blanche L. (D-AR) Yes
          Nelson, Bill (D-FL) Yes
          Nelson, E. Benjamin (D-NE) Yes
          Pryor, Mark L. (D-AR) Yes
          Rockefeller, John D., IV (D-WV) Yes
          Salazar, Ken (D-CO) Yes

          •  Joe Lieberman FUCK YOU (4.00)
            Ned Lamont will be getting my first contribution this year.  It's on bitch!

            I wish we could fucking replace my p.o.s. Senator Nelson.  

            What a bunch of bitchass spineless good for nothing motherfucking wastes of space.  

            FILIBUSTER RADICAL ScALITO NOW- Demand a Mainstream nominee who will LET the Constitution protect ALL Americans.

            by tlh lib on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:30:26 PM PST

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          •  Nelson is a coward (4.00)
            This is the email I sent to the senator's office.

            "For your failure to stand up against the illegal government actions of Bush (he doesn't deserve to be called president) and for your failure to use every tool at your disposal (fillabuster) to keep the extreme right-wing from gaining control of the SCOTUS, you have lost my money and my vote. Even more I will be working against you at every turn at the next election. You have abandoned the women of the US, the children of the US, and the rights of every citizen to an executive who thinks he is above the law. I can't even begin to express how angry I am your cowardly lack of action.

            Abandoned in Florida"

          •  These are... (none)
            ...targets for potential replacement if they don't vote NO on Alito tomorrow

            But what if they do vote no?  I can't come up with a single realistic explanation as to why any of these senators would vote yes on cloture but no on confirmation, except that they know a no vote on Alito will be something they can bring up in their next campaign.  They didn't actually try to do anything to stop Alito's confirmation, but will happily claim they did when campaign time comes around.  Best of both worlds for them.

            I would be even more disappointed in any of these Senators who vote no tomorrow.  "More disappointed" being a very relative term.

            -4.88, -8.21 "I never vote for anybody. I always vote against." -- W.C. Fields

            by CommiePinkoScum on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:55:08 PM PST

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          •  Actually, if they vote yes on Alito (none)
            They at least have the courage of their convictions.  I feel a lot more contempt for people who voted yes on ending cloture and then who vote against Alito and try and tell their constituents that they opposed him.  The cloture vote was the real vote that counted.
        •  SHARE THE LOVE LIST (4.00)
          Contact these people and send them your thanks for their NO vote on cloture today, ask them to stay the course and vote NO on Alito tomorrow; they are still at risk for replacement if they don't vote NO tomorrow:

          Bayh, Evan (D-IN) No
          Biden, Joseph R., Jr. (D-DE) No
          Boxer, Barbara (D-CA) No
          Clinton, Hillary Rodham (D-NY) No
          Dayton, Mark (D-MN) No
          Dodd, Christopher J. (D-CT) No
          Durbin, Richard (D-IL) No
          Ensign, John (R-NV) NV NV
          Feingold, Russell D. (D-WI) No
          Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA) No
          Jeffords, James M. (I-VT) No
          Kennedy, Edward M. (D-MA) No
          Kerry, John F. (D-MA) No
          Lautenberg, Frank R. (D-NJ) No
          Leahy, Patrick J. (D-VT) No
          Levin, Carl (D-MI) No
          Menendez, Robert (D-NJ) No
          Mikulski, Barbara A. (D-MD) No
          Murray, Patty (D-WA) No
          Obama, Barack (D-IL) No
          Reed, Jack (D-RI) No
          Reid, Harry (D-NV) No
          Sarbanes, Paul S. (D-MD) No
          Schumer, Charles E. (D-NY) No
          Stabenow, Debbie (D-MI) No
          Wyden, Ron (D-OR) No

          The non-voting - do as you will:

          Hagel, Chuck (R-NE) NV NV
          Harkin, Tom (D-IA) NV NV

    •  zero and unrecommended (2.00)
      for completely changing and editing the diary after it hit #1 on the rec list.

      I would not have recommended a diary with this content.

      Bad precedent.

      •  Totally understand the unrecommend. (4.00)
        Perfectly proper and your prerogative.

        But a zero?

        You think I'm a TROLL?

        more to the point, while YOU mightn't have recommended the diary in its current form, do you honestly thing=k it wouldn't have gone to the RD list, anyway?

        Pfffffft. People are angry. This fucking diary is STILL at the top of the list -- it'd have dropped off immeediately after the cloture vote but for the change in text.

        And I meant it -- I'll replace the original text eventually, in the extended area -- but it seemed PATHETIC and POINTLESS to leave it there at this juncture.

        I don't quarrel with the unrecommend, as I said -- but that zero is uncalled for, no matter WHAT the text reads. I'm no troll, and you know it, babe.

        •  no (none)
          I don't think you're a troll, come on.

          But I do think what you did - basically deleting one diary and posting an entirely different one in its place after it hit #1 on the rec list - was trollish behavior, and I would have given anyone a zero who did it.

          The first diary was a call to action. The second was a rant.

          They were, and are, two completely different diaries.

        •  cheers, my warriors (none)
          Thanks for putting up the original text, Maryscott. I didn't know what in the Holy fuck ;) was going on the first time I clicked.  I had checked the board headlines a while earlier, noting all the hard work that was being done by so many lefty bloggers who went to the mat for Democrats and democracy.  Thanks to each and all of you for your hard work and passion. The Democrats do not deserve caring and dedicated people such as you all. You are Genuine American Patriots.

          But I hadn't remembered seeing one of those "fuck-titled" diaries at the top of the list with 297 comments (when I saw it). "Somebody is pissed," I thought. Must be Alito and cloture. I don't always click the "fuck" diaries, but this time I did. It was that "We are Fucked" TIME mag cover I have saved with Bush's face on it, but this time with Alito. Damn. The Democrats must have let us all down yet again.  And then I saw it was by MSOC and I thought, what's up with that? She usually never has "fuck" in the title --  I bet she's really pissed.  

          That sucks about Bingaman. He's one of my politicians, and, along with State Congressman Tom Udall, helped my husband get a Vietnam combat medal that he deserved but a snafu had caused him to never receive. So I do respect him for his work for New Mexico vets, and for the Valle Vidal and other lands and water issues. But Bingaman will hear about our displeasure personally, as I think he's heard from YOU and way more than 2000 other people today, between the phone calls, e-mails, and blog posts.

          I'm not sure yet if I'll register Independent. I've seriously considered it in the past, but it seems like with this two party system, I can't quit the Democrats, either. But as others have pointed out, the only way to send a message is to do something radical, like leaving the party in mass. But still as others have said, Republicans want us to leave in frustration, they want the Dems to lose support, especially now that they are weakening and imploding.

          Time for a revolution? I put up a pop politcal diary yesterday regarding a movie preview by Michael Wolff of Vanity Fair. Just as I do, he thinks the time is ripe for a reversal of popular consciousness -- a revolution in political awareness -- similar to the 60s and the Vietnam War, when people just couldn't believe the lies any longer. It's the subversive movie hyped in my sig. Because it's dangerous, V4V is already being undermined in freeperville; so I'm doing my best to get the lefties behind it.  

          People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people.

      •  Oh god (none)
        get over it

        FILIBUSTER RADICAL ScALITO NOW- Demand a Mainstream nominee who will LET the Constitution protect ALL Americans.

        by tlh lib on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:31:55 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Aren't these the same types of Dems that (4.00)
      voted to give Bush authority to go to war?

      What's changed during all this time?

      Face it folks, with the exception of several prominent ones, the Democratic Party is a faux opposition party meant to co-opt dissent.

      And kos says we need to elect more Dems?  

      Wake the fuck up, Markos!!

      You keep putting hope into an insitution that  will NEVER truly stand up for the people that it ostensibly is supposed to represent.

      Here's the answer:  You either form a new party, or you start a revolution.

      Electing more Dems in the hopes that some will do the right thing is a fool's fucking hope.

      •  Bring on the Revolution (none)
        Yeah, hanging at out daily kos the last two years has given me (false) hope that the Dems were worth fighting for. Only to be betrayed again and again on issues most important to me.

        How do we expect everyday Americans to stand up to tyranny when the Democrats won't make the effort?

        People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people. R is for Revolution

    •  Bingaman's people (none)
      Bingaman's staffers and now campaign folks are often dismissive and even rude to grassroots Dems. They often mock us as a matter of fact.

      Bingaman and his staff have been taking much heat if and when they appear before Meetups and even County Dem meetings here. Regular old rank and file Dems here were disgusted long before the filibuster vote, when Jeff voted for CAFTA and the bankruptcy bill and was to reticent in criticizing Domenici's evil energy bill. This may well be the last straw.

      Recently we were informed that we should all blindly join in to push for quick adoption of the coordinated campaign led by Bingaman's campaign. And that we really didn't need to focus on positions on issues since we'd be representing all Dem candidates. Needless to say that view got some heated replies.

      I think the best thing that could happen would be to force the candidates and their top staffers to go door to door and phone bank so they could experience first-hand what fun it is to try and convince people to believe Dems will fight for them.

    •  No on Alito, Yes on cloture... (none)
      reminds me of the slogan Dems used during the infamous recall election in 2003. "Vote No on the recall, Yes on Bustamante." We all know how well that went...

      Lies, Torture and the American Way! (My Apologies to Superman)

      by Darksyde888 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 07:08:05 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  The Green Party... (none)
      ...would welcome you, Lady.  I've been registered with them for six years now.  The Democrats are done.

      The best we can do is grab one another and hold on.

    •  Fuck the Democratic Party (none)
      I am 65 years old and I have been an active democrat since I was 15. I live in Bingaman's district. I called his office today and his staff was very rude to me. I then called the New Mexico Democratic Party to ask them if he had any opponents in the primary this year. They told me that if I didn't support Sen. Bingaman, then "maybe I should consider calling the Republican Party and joining them." Chris (a staffer at the state party) told me that everyone at the New Mexico Democratic Party supports Bingaman no matter what he does. I also called Matt Farrouto, the Executive Director of the New Mexico Democratic Party on his cell phone (505-235-0419) he told me essentially the same thing. "If you don't support Sen Bingaman, who has been the Senator for 24 years, then you should find another political party to support."

      I will for sure change my party registration from Democrat to Independent first thing tomorrow. I will never ever vote for a fucking Democratic candidate again in my life. If the only other candidate on the ballot is a Republican, then I will work to get them elected. The Democratic Party is a dead duck in my book. I can remember when they were an opposition party. Fuck the Democrats and fuck Bob Shrum and all the Washington political consultant sellouts that have already killed the Democrats.

      Wake up, my friends, the Democratic Party needs to be put to sleep. They have outlived their usefulness.

      •  sold (none)
        I'm sorry to hear that about Bingaman's office treating you so disrespectfully.  I live in New Mexico, too, and I think you've helped me make up my mind to register Independant.

        New Mexico Democrats?  I said it already, but I do like Tom Udall.  He showed up at World Peace Prayer Day at the Sikh Dharma Center, and welcomed all the hippies and travelling Sikhs to New Mexico.

        But when we first moved to our new precinct, we went to register to vote in a big party thrown by the local Democrats at El Monte Carlo liquor and lounge.  We walked up to meet and greet the state senator Cisneros who happens to live in our town, and I said something like we were already Democrats, but we wanted to register in this precinct.

        He actually said, "Why? You don't count anyway."  Which, if you're in NM, usually means because you are Whitey and your family hasn't lived there for 20 generations.

        He thought it was funny, but I made him stop laughing when I said, "Good. Now I will be sure not to vote for you."  He said, "I'm just kidding," but I said, "I'm not."

        What a jerk, as were the Bingaman staffers who told you to support Bingaman or leave the Democratic party.

  •  You'd think these guys could do the right thing (4.00)
    Without needing 2000 calls...
  •  Additional Bingaman numbers: (4.00)
    Senator Jeff Bingaman [NM - D]  DEMOCRAT SWING VOTE
    Washington, 202-224-5521 (phone), 202-224-2852 (fax)
    Santa Fe, 505-988-6647 (phone)
    Las Vegas, 505-454-8824 (phone)
    Albuquerque, 505-346-6601 (phone)
    Las Cruces, 505-523-6561 (phone)
    Roswell, 505-622-7113 (phone)
  •  I just called. (4.00)
    The staffer sounded very surprised to hear from me.

    I hope this works.

  •  lines are clogged, keep trying (4.00)
    I never jump on stuff like this, but these spineless "No on Alito, Yes on cloture" pussies really have me pissed off.

    They're politicians, what did we expect? Character?



  •  done (none)
    Thanks MSOC. BTW, the guy that answered sounded a little too calm and collected - let's make them busy!!!!!!!

    First they came for MY choice...

    by sassy texan on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:20:37 PM PST

  •  Took me a few minutes... (none)
    ... to get in. But... done.

    We shall fight them on the internets. We shall fight in the Starbucks, and in the streets, we shall fight them on the Hill. We shall never surrender!

    by bhlogger on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:20:53 PM PST

  •  I called. (4.00)
    The person who answered asked if I was calling about Alito. When I said "yes", I was transferred to a recorded message. It said you could leave a voice mail and then told you the mailbox was full.
  •  Why are you reading these comments? (none)
    When you should be on the phone calling!!!

    (and recommending this diary btw)

  •  If you get through as I did eventually (4.00)
    I recommend you tell the person who answers right away what MSOC suggests above, I was asked if my call was about Alito and transferred to a full vm box before I could say anything...

    In arrogance the wicked persecute the poor- let them be caught in the schemes they have devised. -Psalm 10:2

    by chicagochristianleft on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:21:26 PM PST

    •  Yess.. (none)
      ..tell them "I'm one of the 2000+ people who are right now trying to get through to the Senator to vote NO on CLOTURE."
    •  whoah, wait a minute (none)
      Are you in Chicago?  Why are you calling Bingaman?

      Why is Maryscott through with Senators who don't represent California anyway?  

      Look, I don't like that Alito is going to be on the Court but I don't like melodrama, either.  

      Somebody screams "we are fucked, all is lost" but then tomorrow we all get up and we're still living in the same country and politics goes on.

      I mean if we win back control of the Congress in November is somebody going to post a "holy shit, we've won this politics game for ever and ever!  We're done!" diary?  That would be a little silly, wouldn't it.

      "If I wanted to break the law, why was I briefing Congress?"

      by daria g on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 10:04:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  i got thru (none)
    I said exactly what you diaried:

    "I'm one of the 2000 people from the Internet one of your recent callers promised you'd hear from in the next 20 minutes, and I'm requesting that Senator Bingaman vote NO on cloture."

    The staffer laughed, and said that he would be sure to pass that on.

  •  They're wasting our time (none)
    I got dumped into voicemail after I identified myself as someone calling about the nomination of Judge Alito, and the voicemail was full.  I never even got to say I was one of the 2000.
  •  Just called (none)
    Cloture vote coming to the floor shortly.  Specter up talking now.

    What the hell is it NOW?

    by TigerMom on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:21:47 PM PST

  •  maryscott you are a force of nature. n/t (4.00)

    i'm an agnostic, i'd be an atheist if it weren't for mozart

    by rasbobbo on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:22:03 PM PST

  •  busy on both- is it the NSA? (none)
    NSA is overloaded, so they are just blocking both lines until they free up some more recorders- NSA has been ordered by Bush to record all calls against Scalito!
  •  Can someone cross post to other popular Dem blogs? (none)
    I'm trying to get through, still busy...

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

    by bewert on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:22:14 PM PST

  •  i called and the staffer put me into voicemail (none)

    he asked if i was calling about alito, i said "yes," and he put me into voicemail.

    cheers --

  •  They immediately shuttled me ... (none)
    to a voice recording after a live person answered the phone. The recording said he'll vote no on the Alito vote but will NOT support a filibuster.

    I didn't even get to say the spiel. What's up with that?

  •  Anybody know if Ensign made it to DC? (none)
    He was in a car accident at 10:30 Eastern time while on the way to the Las Vegas airport, and in the hospital for a few hours.

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

    by bewert on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:23:45 PM PST

  •  just called (none)
    staffer knew about the 2000
  •  got a Busy Signal (none)
    can't remember the last time NOT getting through made me's a good sign

    love that redial button

  •  I tried but couldn't get through... (none)
    To vote for cloture but then state you're against the nomination is trying a bit too hard to have it both ways.

    Let justice reign though the heavens tremble

    by Viceroy on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:24:44 PM PST

  •  voicemail (none)
    voicemail. "will not support fillibuster". trying again now.
  •  I'm not getting through. (none)
    But still trying.

    It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation.

    by martianchronic on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:25:08 PM PST

    •  Finally got through. (none)
      Had to let it ring for a looong time before they picked up.  Said I was one of the 2000, asked that Bingaman vote against cloture, said it didn't matter if he voted against Alito if he voted for cloture.  I got a series of pretty disengaged "okays" in response.

      It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation.

      by martianchronic on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:35:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  got through after about 10 tries (none)
    The guy on the phone was friendly after I read your script above.

    Good goin!

  •  I got through (none)
    Took 12 redials.  The staffer said "by all means".

    jotter's Lists of High Impact Diaries: daily and weekly archives (bring your own bendy straws)

    by sele on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:25:33 PM PST

  •  Busy damn it (none)
    They know you can't get 2000 calls in 20 minutes. Redial!!!

    We can make the world a better place by laying them by the heels. -- Sherlock Holmes

    by Carnacki on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:25:37 PM PST

  •  Wahoo! (4.00)
    I got through, and said I hoped he was getting his 2000 calls for no on cloture.  He said it was "more like five hundred million."

    YEAH bay-bee!

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who will watch the watchers?)

    by The Crusty Bunker on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:25:44 PM PST

  •  Don't answer any questions (none)
    just start right into what MSOC has written.  Be quick, be polite, be clear.

    What the hell is it NOW?

    by TigerMom on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:26:13 PM PST

  •  I've called at least 15 times... (none)
    ...and it's been busy every time.

    Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

    by Barbara Morrill on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:26:15 PM PST

    When they ask if you are calling about Alito, say "No", and give your spiel.

    Say you're calling about the future of America, the dearth of well-fitting underwear, anything BUT Alito, and give your spiel.

    At least you'll avoid being robo-forwarded to a recorded message.

    The world is made for those who are not cursed with self-awareness. -- Annie Savoy, from "Bull Durham" Yeah, and George W. Bush is living proof.

    by wmtriallawyer on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:26:18 PM PST

    •  I used... (none)
      ...the "dearth of well-fitting underwear" bit and the guy hung up on me.

      Trying again.

      "The American people will trust the Democratic Party to defend America when they believe that Democrats will defend other Democrats." Wesley Clark

      by The Termite on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:30:22 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Busy Busy Busy (none)
     He'll get the 2000 if the lines can handle it. I'll keep trying.
  •  Still busy (none)
    I'll keep trying though!

    The soul that is within me no man can degrade. - Frederick Douglass

    by Kimberley on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:27:32 PM PST

  •  BUSY. Tried 4 times (none)
    What time was this posted, EST?
  •  argh (none)
    I got through, but was asked "Are you calling about cloture?", when I answered "yes" I was put through to voicemail!!!!!

    "...with liberty and justice for al[most everybody]."

    by PeteyP on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:27:51 PM PST

  •  One of 2000. (none)
    Took your name in vain, but you're not trying to hide and it does no good anyway.
    •  Who said that, Ek? (none)
      It's adrivin' me nutsa.  

      Is nothing secular?

      by aitchdee on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:53:55 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'll try to quote myself exactly. (4.00)
        "Hi, I'm one of Maryscott O'Connor's 2000 and I want to urge Senator Bingaman to vote NO, against cloture."

        Perhaps that could be misunderstood because of the double negative, but I did try to make myself as plain as possible and I felt a certain amount of time pressure.

        For my Kossack and Kosovarian friends I will try to make it even plainer-

        NO NO NO NO NO NO NO Alito.

        Alas, we are boned.  This is a crisis.

  •  Keep redialing... (none)
    but it's busy as hell...

    I am going to direct my last reserve of energy elsewhere.

    To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. -- Abraham Lincoln

    by Tripleg on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:27:55 PM PST

  •  Busy, busy, then .. (none)
    "All circuits are busy"

    In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
             ~George Orwell

    by outragemeter on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:28:06 PM PST

  •  I think you're naive, but I still tried... (none)
    I tried calling in...lines are busy...
  •  Sante Fe Office (none)
    I couldn't get through to the main switchboard or his direct line.  I called Sante Fe.  It was answered right away.  The aide just sounded exasperated.

    I hope this works and my cynical side is wrong.

  •  Busy, busy, busy (none)
    I'll keep trying.
  •  Not Just Phone Busy (none)

    Keep it up - we're DOING it!!!!

    My separate place for mental meanderings: Political Sapphire

    by shanikka on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:28:47 PM PST

  •  About eight busy signals, then a guy. (none)
    I just talked to a guy at Bingaman's office who was unaware of the 2000 calls in twenty minutes poll, but said he'd note my comments.

    Even if it wasn't an official offer, it'd be an interesting experiment to see how much we do generate...

  •  spoke with a staffer (none)

    i told him the circumstances behind my calling.

    he was very concerned to clarify that 2000 calls to support the fillibuster was NOT a guarantee, NOT the exchange.

    but he asked me my views (he was very polite), i explained how a yes on cloture was a yes on alito, and i hoped he would support the fillibuster.

    cheers --

  •  REPOSTED - Additional Bingaman numbers (none)
    Try others than the 202.

    Senator Jeff Bingaman [NM - D]  DEMOCRAT SWING VOTE
    Washington, 202-224-5521 (phone), 202-224-2852 (fax)
    Santa Fe, 505-988-6647 (phone)
    Las Vegas, 505-454-8824 (phone)
    Albuquerque, 505-346-6601 (phone)
    Las Cruces, 505-523-6561 (phone)
    Roswell, 505-622-7113 (phone)

  •  nuttin but busy signals...ARG!!! (none)
  •  busy busy busy (none)
    I've each number twice.  Will try again.  It's down to the friggen wire!!!

    Oh when the frogs. . Come marching in. . Oh when the FROGS COME MARCH-ING IN!

    by pontificator on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:30:42 PM PST

  •  Man, with all the calls... (none)
    ...heading into his office right now...

    Wonder if that staffer got clearance to run this poll...

    If not, they might not have a job tomorrow, with the phones jumping off the hook.

    The world is made for those who are not cursed with self-awareness. -- Annie Savoy, from "Bull Durham" Yeah, and George W. Bush is living proof.

    by wmtriallawyer on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:31:12 PM PST

    •  From the convo I had... (none)
      I think that the staffer who said that did so in jest... and is now denying it.  No evidence (unless it's taped?--I doubt it), so they'll be  on record that no such offer was made, and insisting MSCO's statement is a fraud.

      Fuck'em.  Good for them to get a real sense of the size and fury of the netroots... because... Jeff, baby... you vote YES for cloture, and we're going to come after you, too.

      "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

      by ogre on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:09:18 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Luckily for HIM... (none)
      I didn't get his name.

      Or I'd have posted it.

      In case anyone cares, I didn't invent the conversation. Yeah, he probably thought I was joking.


      I wasn't joking.

  •  been trying, been busy n/t (none)
  •  atriots (none)
    atriots are dialing like crazy.
  •  someone call youngturks (none)

    please call and tell them, they will anounce it on the air.

  •  Busy. Hitting re-dail, again&again. nt (none)

    We're working on many levels here. Ken Kesey

    by BenGoshi on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:32:26 PM PST

  •  Can we change the poll question (none)
    so we can get an exact count of how many calls we made?
  •  Ringing, no answer (none)
    then it disconnected me.
  •  Ahh! (none)
    Can't get through, so trying a fax - also busy.

    how long before my soul gets it right?

    by vrexford on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:33:05 PM PST

  •  Santa Fe bingo (none)
    and she confirmed DC number is going nuts.
  •  Just keep hitting redial. (none)
    I should add, the guy I talked to in the DC office was very polite and almost amused, especially at the "this is one of the 2000 calls you're going to get" part of the message.

    I think it's less about not wanting to vote against cloture, and more about wanting to be sure the support's out there. Keep it up...

  •  I calculate.. (none)
    ..that is one phone call every 1.2 seconds (if two phones used). Go for it!
  •  Got through to Albuquerque (none)
    Staffer sounded vary harried..."we've gotten a lot of calls!"
  •  And here's his email site (none)

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:35:09 PM PST

    •  Thanks for the email address (none)
      I sent one off and called myself one of the gang of 2000.

      Will keep trying to get through by phone.

      The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

      by NYC Sophia on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:41:23 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  My email to Bingaman: (none)

      Dear Senator,

      I live in California, but my daughter's future depends you.

      When so much is at stake, when such a vastly important
      decision is made at the upper levels of our government,
      all Americans depend on Senators like you.

      Any Senator with a conscience and a knowledge of American
      history can see that Samuel Alito must be stopped. If he
      is given a lifetime appointment to the highest court in
      our land, our days as a Republic are numbered.

      You have before you a rare opportunity to do something that
      is bigger than your office as a Senator from New Mexico
      (which is my home state): you can help preserve the foundations
      of our wonderful country for my daughter, a little blue-eyed
      5 year old in California whom you'll probably never meet.

      Please -- I implore you, for the sake of our beloved
      Democracy, and for the sake of the future of my daughter,
      and her children, and their children: filibuster Alito,
      and vote 'no' on his confirmation if it should come to that.

      And please bear in mind that a 'yes' on cloture and a 'no' on confirmation is
      classic "I voted for him before I voted against him" material.
      I promise, you will not hear the end of it -- from Democrats!

      Thank you,



      by mxwing on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:49:11 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I tried to call (none)
    Could only spare a moment, but I tried to call twice and was told by the switchboard operator that the line was busy.  That's encouraging because someone else is calling, but of course I wasn't counted.  If anyone gets through I hope they know that many more are calling than getting through.
  •  I faxed (none)
    to like five different numbers - one page - Vote "NO" on Cloture in the Alito nomination!!
  •  *&%$#@ BUSY SIGNALS!!! (none)
    But that doesn't mean I have given up!

    "But sanctuary never comes without some kind of risk" - Bob Seger

    by YukonJack on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:36:20 PM PST

  •  Got through to Roswell at 4:36pm EST (none)
    Go for it!
  •  32, 33, 34.... (none)
    going on 35 consecutive busy signals....

    36, 37...

    -9.13, -8.56

    Support Irony. Torture Rumsfeld.

    Hail Eris.

    by Transmission on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:36:33 PM PST

  •  Gee (none)
    Using two hands, two phones - not getting through!

    "...with liberty and justice for al[most everybody]."

    by PeteyP on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:36:54 PM PST

  •  Nice young lady (none)
    The nice young lady at the toll free number told me that the line was busy, and giggled when I said "I bet!" ;)

    "Losing an election to Bush is like a healthy person losing an event in the Special Olympics" - Lewis Black

    by Rat on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:37:48 PM PST

  •  Just called (none)
    and said please vote NO on cloture....let's see if there is any backbone left in the Senate.
  •  I Got Through In Santa Fe (none)
    Changed the script a little.  The staffer knew exactly what was going on - they must be jammed.
  •  Why stop with Bingaman? (4.00)
    I really like the "Call Bingaman 2000x in 20 minutes to show we support the filibuster" idea; who should we call next? Can we have time slots, like:
    4:30-4:50 EST: Bingaman
    4:50-5:10: Byrd
    5:10-5:30: Landrieu
    5:30-5:50: Salazar
    (and so on down the wavering list?)
  •  i hope that it ain't a problem (none)
    that I said I was calling from NY, which by the way I didn't do because I called from overseas but I really was too baffled to actually get through.

    "A smoker would have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response," Judge Francis L. Young, 1988.

    by cwkraus4clark on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:41:00 PM PST

  •  Got right through to (none)
    Santa Fe office when unsuccessful for 10 minutes with DC numbers. The nice girl who answered said she had had others calls and asked on what blog this request had been made.

    If the trouble I had getting through to Bingaman's DC office is any indication, the 2000 calls were made.

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

    by TracieLynn on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:42:02 PM PST

  •  i hope that it ain't a problem (none)
    that I said I was calling from NY, which by the way I didn't do because I called from overseas but I really was too baffled to actually get through.

    "A smoker would have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response," Judge Francis L. Young, 1988.

    by cwkraus4clark on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:44:57 PM PST

  •  Got through on the Albuquerque line (none)
    Staff said he was not going to filibuster.  Did not know about the agreement.  Told her that we would call on this line since the DC line is busy.
  •  serioulsy, is his office capable of (none)
    answering 2000 calls in 20 miuntes?  That would 100 calls a minute.  Figure 1 pers can answer 5 calls a minute.  

    -4.63,-3.54 If the people will lead the leaders will follow

    by calebfaux on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:45:08 PM PST

  •  Got through but (none)
    only on voicemail in Santa Fe...maybe too late. Can they even take 2000 calls in 20 minutes?

    In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
             ~George Orwell

    by outragemeter on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:45:10 PM PST

  •  got through. (none)
    i said i know the senator is about to vote, but i am just one of literally thousands of people trying to get through that feel a yes vote for cloture is a yes vote for alito. just because we couldn't get through won't mean we'll forget the vote. best of luck to the senator.

    he said thanks.

  •  'Senator Bingaman's office' (none)

    Now to see if they're just letting me hang on the line.

    Oops, the not-so-nice lady says that it is INCORRECT that he will reconsider his vote, and she's "looking at that blog now."

    "Losing an election to Bush is like a healthy person losing an event in the Special Olympics" - Lewis Black

    by Rat on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:45:45 PM PST

  •  Damn busy signals (none)
    I tried probably 40 times. Some fast busy, some slow busy.

    Always busy.

    (-6.25, -5.23)
    Hopelessly pedantic since 1963.

    by admiralh on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:47:33 PM PST

  •  I just got through... (none)
    to the DC number and was told there was no challenge but voiced my opinion anyway!!  I think they are totally overwhelmed!!  It must of rang 25 times before it was answered!!

    Just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse...

    by reflectionsv37 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:47:38 PM PST

  •  Bingaman voted yes on cloture (none)

    An election does not make a democracy.

    by seesdifferent on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:47:48 PM PST

  •  Bingaman (none)
    he voted YES naive is the right word
  •  Bingaman voted. (none)
    Aye.  Voting FOR cloture.
  •  cloture (none)
    He voted for cloture  
  •  Got through in Albuquerque (none)

    Carolina Blue -7.38, -7.28

    by Anglico on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:48:26 PM PST

  •  I suggest we drop the '20/2000' patter (none)
    And suggest that we've been trying to call for an hour or so.
  •  Bingaman (none)
    Just let us all down.
  •  Chaffee yes n/t (none)

    An election does not make a democracy.

    by seesdifferent on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:50:03 PM PST

  •  Got through to Los Cruces!! (none)
    Said my spiel to a very polite staffer!

    Alas, I see I was too late.  :-(

    Oh when the frogs. . Come marching in. . Oh when the FROGS COME MARCH-ING IN!

    by pontificator on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:51:04 PM PST

  •  Bingaman just voted YES (none)

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

    by bewert on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:51:17 PM PST

  •  Hung Up. (none)
    My own Senator and his staff just hung up on me.

    Valle Vidal - A real soldier died in his Hummer so you could play soldier in yours.

    by environmentalist on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:52:07 PM PST

  •  What an SOB! (4.00)
    That SOB turned his phones off and directed them to voicemail saying Bingaman was voting not to support the filibuster.

    Ok, we know what has to be done to these SOB's.  NO MONEY IN 2006 FOR ANY DEMOCRAT THAT VOTED NOT TO SUPPORT THE FILIBUSTER!!!

    •  Better yet... (none)
      Field primary challengers for every last stinkin' one of them.  Don't let them get a free ride back to their cozy sinecures.

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:21:51 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I've called (none)
    I called and the lines are busy.  Or the lines go to voicemal for constituents only.

    I did--finally--get through to the 202 number... told them I wasn't calling about Alito, I was calling about the cloture motion... and got shunted to voicemail.

    That voicemail box gives Bingamen's voting against Alito... (news to me, worth noting) and for cloture message.  Then it told me the mailbox is full.

    So if you get a person, tell them NOT TO SEND YOU TO THE VOICEMAIL system because the voicemail box is ALREADY FULL.

    I'm now going to call again.  And again... until I get through A-fucking-gain.

    All the NM messages say that their office hours are... and they ought to be open now.  But they're not answering their fucking phones.

    "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

    by ogre on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 01:56:04 PM PST

  •  MSOC: NEXT?? (none)
    Okay.  So we did the Chinese Fire Drill.

    What do you think we should do next?

    When's this guy up for reelection -- this fall?

    Is there identified progressive opposition?

    And can every single person who called afford to give a buck or ten to the opposition candidate?

    •  I just called the Albuquerque office (none)
      to say that next time Bingaman's up for re-election, I will not be marking any vote.  What's the point of supporting DINOs when they just keep stabbing us in the back?
  •  Just spoke with staffer in Albuquerque. (none)
    He wanted to know where the request to call was coming from.
  •  Oh, you poor naive dear (none)
    I called and got pushed to a voice mail announcement that said YES to cloture, then told me his mailbox was full.
  •  Ok, I got through. (4.00)
    The fellow sounds irritable.  He'd like MSOC to call and "confirm" that she called, because he insisted that the posted statement about the deal is false.

    (Pig's ass it is...).

    I finally cut him off, politely, and said that whether it was accurate or not, the point of my call was that I'd listened to the senator's taped message (on the constipated mailbox...) and that I wanted him to pass on that if he honestly feels that the confirmation of Alito would be bad for the nation, then it is simply wrong to vote in favor of cloture, knowing that that will mean his confirmation.

    I told him to pass on that the nation needs senators to act in meaningful manners, not simply posture.  

    He then asked for my NM county... I told him (honestly) that I'm not currently a New Mexican, but my father and his wife are....

    "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

    by ogre on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:03:45 PM PST

  •  just spoke with DC staffer (none)
    and he said it was an internet hoax, and was done without approval from Senator's office staff.  I told him that cloture is forever.  The Senator can't intelligently do his constitutional duty to advise and consent because Alito never gave any straight answers to important questions.  Extend the debate, get the answers, and then give Alito his up or down vote, once the Senate and the American People know where he stands.

    He said thanks for the input.

  •  MOTHERFUCKERS! (none)
  •  DC staffer said this was an internet HOAZ (none)
    I just spoke with Bingaman's DC staffer and he said it was an internet hoax, and was done without approval from Senator's office staff.  I told him that cloture is forever.  The Senator can't intelligently do his constitutional duty to advise and consent because Alito never gave any straight answers to important questions.  Extend the debate, get the answers, and then give Alito his up or down vote, once the Senate and the American People know where he stands.

    He said thanks for the input.

  •  Called and got through (none)
    half way through my spiel (basically when she heard "Internet") she cut me off and told me that there was never such a deal and that she had never heard of any claim from MSOC -- gave her my opinion anyway, just for the record, in case anyone remembered MSOC calling.

    Seems the original staffer didn't take MSOC seriously...

    The budget is a moral document.

    by Sweet Georgia Peach on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:08:46 PM PST

  •  Good try (none)
    Now try thinking about a new party

    " this abject posture have ye sworn / To adore the Conquerour?..../ Awake, arise, or be for ever fall'n."

    by Valtin on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:14:22 PM PST

    •  Already did (none)
      Once Dems supported CAFTA and the rise of fascism (thanks to centrists and libertarians), I'm still registered independent (I hate political parties but we're stuck with them), I support the Green Party since they want to support and defend America instead of selling it piecemeal.

      A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

      by Tux on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:59:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I got through to Santa Fe (none)
    the very young sounding staffer said "the vote is taking place right now" and I said "I believe there are ways to communicate information to Senators while votes are taking place (!)."

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D. IMPEACH

    by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:16:55 PM PST

  •  I avoided the MSOC text (none)
    Till the end.....the staffer was just fine and polite.  Called DC direct and Albuquerque direct (no toll free, quick answer)

    And if you have to fib, say your a college student from New Mexico Tech, Socorro, Socorro, Co. NM

    You can't support the Constitution and the GOP at the same time!

    by Arsenic on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:20:33 PM PST

  •  Either delete this diary or unrec it. (2.66)
    When I finally got through, they had no clue as to what I was talking about and said no offer or deal was ever made. Then they thanked me for my call.
    Condidering how he just voted - enough said.
    •  ..what did you expect them to say?? (none)
      ..Oh, we've been waiting for your call??  Hello - they have to be PUSHED HARD.  They aren't going to make it easy for you.  don't be so naive.
      •  whatever. (none)
        Yeah. I'm the one that's naive. Please.
        •  Please don't ever tell me to delete a diary. (none)
          Unless I go batshit crazy and post something COMPLETELY inappropriate.

          I resent the implicatin that I'M the one who lied. Bingaman has HOW many staffers? I talked to ONE GUY. I proposed the 2000 calls in 20 minutes idea, he took it up, challenged me to make it happen and promised Bingaman would SERIOUSLY CONSIDER, blah blah blah

          You don't think I knew when I posted this the staffer was full of shit, on behalf of his boss, who is ALSO full of shit?

          You think I put that answer in the poll as a joke?

          •  Stop with the hysteria already. (4.00)
            Anytime a battle is lost, you post this YOU ARE DEAD TO ME RANT that's un-readable. Two ??? weeks ago you wrote a rant about how the party was dead to you then to and how how much they sucked blah blah blah something along those lines. Leave it already since you made it clear how much you despise them. And stop with the screaming profanity laced incoherent.... screams - over and over and over again.  

            And no. I don't care about profanity. But jesus christ, at least attempt to make sense if you are going to delete the contents of a diary that made the REC list based on calling a Senator and replacing it with something completely different such as this.  

            Don't start screaming again about your grief either and how I don't get it or none of us do who find your diaries lacking in substance.  You're not the only one who's reeling and was kicked in the gut.  

            •  thank you christin (3.40)
              For saying many things I also think.You nailed it.

              #1 Recommended diary on DailyKos  WE ARE FUCKED
                What a joke.
              People on the red blogs must be eating this up, all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, its my ball and I'm going home and aint gonna play no more.

              BOO fucken HOO

              All the peole here screaming about the end times because of this need to get a grip.  Its one friggin battle folks.

              WE ARE FUCKED    Yeah, nice friggin attitude maryscott. Just hope you aint leaving all that positive energy around any young children.

              •  Oh, fuckadoodledoo. (none)
                You people just can't STOP yourselves, can you?

                God forbid you put some goddamned time and energy into posting your OWN stuff. Better to just come in here and trash MINE.


                •  its a diary (4.00)
                  Its made for posting comments on.

                  Perhaps you'd like to restrict who can post comments in your diaries?

                  WE ARE NOT FUCKED

                  Service people in war without proper armor are fucked

                  People going to sleep hungry or homeless are fucked

                  Women living under Islamic Law are fucked

                  I could go on and on, but one thing for sure Maryscott, you are not. And I, for one,  will expend no energy feeling sorry for  you or sympathisizing with you  sitting on your pity potty  because we lost a battle.

                •  <shrug> (3.00)
                  You again post a rant filled diary telling me we're all fucked or how Democrats are "dickweeds" on a public blog that's read by millions of people, is a home for Democrats according to Markos - and that's not your personal playground, yeah. I'll comment in it whenever I want and say what I want. It doesn't matter to me if your feelings are hurt when I voice my opinion to you calling my party pieces of shit, and it doesn't matter to me if your little group of fans zero's me out to oblivion every single day. Talk about making Scott McClellan and the GOP your role models in stifling opposition.  Except my opposition consists of calling myself a Democrat and calling you out on I what I think is a crock of shit. This is not where I come to get adoration or validation or an ego boost.   It's where I come to learn how to pick up the god damn shattered pieces of this country and win again.  

                  Your meme is to focus on the Vichy Dems and how they're all assholes. Mine is to focus on Kerry,  Kennedy, Lautenberg, Menendez...I don't need to post the 25 courageous, good, fighting Dems who stole my heart once and for all today. Roe vs. Wade was my godsend years ago. I knew what the fuck this country lost today. But who the hell says it's forever? Oh yeah. You.

                  You go and do what you want by leaving the party and say what you want about the party, I don't give a rat's ass - but next time you SCREAM OUT "WE'RE all fucked", speak for yourself and let those in agreement with that defeatist attitude join in. Because Cut and Run doesn't mean cutting and running after just one or even one hundred battles have been fought and lost. It means cutting and running when you could have won it at 101 if you fought one more battle.


              •  amen (4.00)
                i'm not sure what's worse...that she posts this drivel, or that she nazi's anyone who disagrees with her tone and intention...

                The thing with politicians is I wouldn't have suspicions if I saw their worst positions and their ugly underneath...

                by mstarr77 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 10:37:00 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

            •  There are a lot of posters (none)
              who appreciate MSO's emotional response to the current tough times for the Democratic, so while it's not at all my style (I'm just way too fucking mean and spiteful to ever allow the enemy to see me defeated, much less despondent) so I'm not going to critique that, but I do find it 100 percent disengenuous to start this diary out under one pretense and then switch it to an altogether different subject.

              Anyway, I raise my glass to all of you who fought the good fight. May we all live to battle another day.

          •  and meanwhile - (4.00)
            For telling you to delete or unrec a diary which gets done a hundred times a day, only your little wolverines come out to troll rate me. Pathetic. bizarre.
    •  Ratings Abuse. (none)
      Stop your ratings abuse. Now.
  •  Done. (none)
    And thank you MSOC.

    If you want to imagine the future, imagine a boot made in China stomping on a human face born unwanted forever.

    by Necons Will Ban Me on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:22:06 PM PST

  •  Got through to Albuquerque (none)
    dropped the script.

    Then MSNBC blasts out...

    "Cloture vote in Senate backs Alito confirmation
    Monday vote ends debate on nominee; final vote Tuesday; approval assured"

    bastards shoving him down out throats...

    Eternal Independent Thinking for myself since 1972.

    by Erevann on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:26:09 PM PST

  •  What the fuck kind of deal is that? (none)
    What is this "Supermarket Sweep?"

    Is everything a game with these people? Let's all head to the agora and barter for animal testicles.

  •  Why Bingaman? (none)
    I'm sure this will get me troll-rated but I'd just like to know why this is focused on Bingaman of all the Ds.  I guess I should fess up and say I don't believe a Bingaman staffer issued any kind of a "challenge" like this.  It's simply not credible.  It's not like they enjoy answering thousands of irate calls.

    Several other Dem Senators are not only voting for cloture, they are voting for Alito's confirmation.  Yet Senator Bingaman is the one singled out as a "he is a scumsucking fuckstick dickcheese?" (maryscott)  That's ridiculous.  He single-handedly led the fight to preserve Habeaus Corpus rights for prisoners at Guantanamo (not exactly a political winner, but unambigously the right thing to do) and is actually voting AGAINST confirming Alito yet he is singled out for scorn in this diary.  I really find it baffling.

    •  Are you fucking kidding me? (4.00)
      First, the reason I wrote this diary is because I spoke to BINGAMAN'S staffer, not some OTHER Senator's staffer.

      Second, what the FUCK does it matter to vote NO on Alito and vote YES on shutting down DEBATE on Alito?


      Today, he joined with a HUGE number of OTHER scumsucking fuckstick VUCHY DEMOCRATIC SENATORS to effectively TORPEDO the motherfucking CONSTITUTION of the UNITTED STATES OF AMERICA.


      •  Ah, that clears it up (2.33)
        Yes, typing a lot of profanity in all caps has really clarified your position on the matter.  

        Like I said, I don't believe anyone in Bingaman's office actually issued a challenge like you characterize it.  I assumed there must have been some miscommunication in your previous call, but now that I see how cogently and rationally you represent your arguments I can't imagine it was a miscommunication.

        •  Dude, are you serious? (none)
          I am in a near-psychotic state of despair, rage and depression.

          So pardon me for answering you honestly in the style that came first to mind.

          Next time, I hope you'll remind me not to use profanity or emphatic use of upper case letters in response to you. I'll do my damndest to adapt toy our requirements.

          •  It might be a Venus/Mars thing... (4.00)
            I'm sitting here, crying...sobbing...for the future of my 2 girls (under 5 yrs).  My husband just doesn't see the "gravity".  He just keeps saying "it'll be okay, sweetie."

            Abortion aside, all sorts of "rights" for women are gone....we'll be cast right back into the 40's (or 50's).  Unless, of course, you can BUY a life for your daughter....Then, it's FREEDOM!!!

            This really sucks....and what really gets me is that each and every single repressive, controlling, ANTI CHOICE (in all respects), fundamentalist, corporatist, hate-monger is wacking off to this victory and mocking us.

            They're toasting to our dismay.

            FUCK THEM!

            They all hate America (as we all grew up knowing Her).  

            So, do we even know that Georgie Porgie will even AGREE to leave when his term is up????  And, remind me again who's going to make sure that happens???  The DEMS you say?  Well, then, I'm REALLY scared!

      •  Wrong frame for our expectations (none)

        From Matt Stoller

        Basically, this was the result of poor planning by the WHOLE of the Democrats.  We keep thinking its one at a time -- so we appeal to them one at a time.  But they plan as a WHOLE.  They knew that they could throw us a bone with a last minute planned filibuster and even have a few of their little group hold our hands, post like good little progressives on Kos without having to actually do anything different.  The deal would not go down but they could have it both ways.

        Wise up group.  The only question is what to do about it --- not that we got screwed -- AGAIN -- but that we will continue to be screwed unless we change something.  

        I know that there will be those of you still living in fairy land about the goodness of this or that Senator -- but it does not matter that this or that one is "good".  The system as a whole is not working to achieve what it needs to achieve.  That has to be fixed or we will be getting shtuped over and over.  

        Stop Looking For Leaders - WE are the Leaders!!!

        by SwimmertoFreedom04 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:38:33 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  So calling Maryscott a liar (4.00)
      is your big noise for the day?

      She may curse more than you like, but what has she ever done for you to impugn her integrity?

      Bingamen's staffer was fucking her over, she knew it, and she decided to mobilize us to telephone as a way of rubbing his nose in it.

      So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    •  I bet (none)
      The word from NM: I bet I even know which staffer said that about the 2000 calls. There's one wise ass over there who is rude to anyone who doesn't walk around in $300 shoes and who thinks he just so damn clever, clever, clever. If he's reading this, he knows who he is...
    •  I'm late to this fight, but... (none)
      ...if a senator's staffer agreed to MSOC's proposal, even (or especially) to screw with her, then the calls were well-deserved.  Maybe the rest of the staff didn't technically deserve to have to field so many calls, but they'll think twice before being stuck-up snots who like to play around with people calling into express their opinions.

      I'd bet dollars to donuts that the staffer who agreed to the proposal has already been outed and will no longer be allowed on the phones.  That, in itself, makes me happy.

      As for Bingaman voting yes on cloture and no on Alito, why is that?  What possible reason could he have other than being able to claim he tried to stop Alito during his next campaign, while not actually taking any risk.  It doesn't make him a hero at all.  If he felt so strongly about Alito not being qualified for SCOTUS then he should have voted no on cloture.

      -4.88, -8.21 "I never vote for anybody. I always vote against." -- W.C. Fields

      by CommiePinkoScum on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 06:11:09 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Goddamned. (none)
    Maryscott, you stole the title for my Alito diary.  ((sigh))  At least WE tried.
  •  I called. 202 224 5521 Got through. (none)
    Was on hold for a short while.  

    The guy took down my "request," and "made note."

  •  Good try, guys. (none)
    Great try, actually.

    So he didn't change his vote. Well, that was always a long shot anyways. If he'd already made up his mind about the political pluses and minuses, it's pretty hard to change that calculation by shouting at him, especially when there's no time left to reflect.

    But you can bet his staff is going to let him know what a huge number of calls flooded in at the last minute based on one post on a major blog. I guarantee you he will begin to worry a lot more than he did about how fast and how effectively the internet can mobilize people.

    Next he has to learn that, unlike most Americans, these internet people have a memory, too. When he's up for re-election, I hope you manage to find him a truly terrifying primary opponent.

    Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is. - TNH

    by Canadian Reader on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:50:19 PM PST

  •  It's (none)
    over & we only had 25 senators that showed some spine.

    "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." Thomas Jefferson

    by llih on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:52:40 PM PST

  •  Mr. Smith and I Go To Washington (4.00)
    "Just get up off the ground, that's all I ask. Get up there with that lady that's up on top of this Capitol dome, that lady that stands for liberty. Take a look at this country through her eyes if you really want to see something. And you won't just see scenery; you'll see the whole parade of what Man's carved out for himself, after centuries of fighting. Fighting for something better than just jungle law, fighting so's he can stand on his own two feet, free and decent, like he was created, no matter what his race, color, or creed. That's what you'd see. There's no place out there for graft, or greed, or lies, or compromise with human liberties. And, uh, if that's what the grownups have done with this world that was given to them, then we'd better get those boys' camps started fast and see what the kids can do. And it's not too late, because this country is bigger than the Taylors, or you, or me, or anything else. Great principles don't get lost once they come to light. They're right here; you just have to see them again!"

    "George Bush Doesn't Care About People"

    by WriterRoss on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:52:42 PM PST

  •  So...riddle me this (none)
    How many of you will "suck it up" and still vote for a Dem who voted for cloture?  How deep does your disgust run?
  •  Options (none)

    If you want to imagine the future, imagine a boot made in China stomping on a human face born unwanted forever.

    by Necons Will Ban Me on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:54:04 PM PST

  •  i'm already.... (4.00)
    ...registered as an independent, have been since i first voted a week after my 18th birthday, only because i figured my political proclivities were nobody's business but my own except when i picked a dem i wanted to donate to or work for.

    i just called salazar's office -- i am his constituent -- and said i was dedicated as of today to making sure he would only be in office for one term.

    FUCKING BASTARD TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Crime is contagious....if the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law. -- Justice Louis Brandeis

    by FemiNazi on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:58:19 PM PST

  •  Need another poll option: (4.00)
    "I'm already an independant"

    congratulations on your foreskin -- osteriser

    by bartman on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 02:58:39 PM PST

  •  Damn, I need a cigarette. (none)
    I just logged on and read allllll the comments on this post... my heart started racing as I watched y'all furiously calling and reporting on your calls... only to find the disappointing result.  

    THIS TOTALLY SUCKS, WIPES AND BLOWS!!!  What the hell is it going to take?!  

    Indict, Impeach, Imprison!

    by AmyVVV on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:00:30 PM PST

  •  Well, (4.00)
    I actually was thinking about abandoning the Democratic party.

    Then I read this diary.

  •  Dont go independant (4.00)
    Do not be the democrat who says "I wish my Democratic leaders in the senate would stand up and fight!".... and then you yourself walk away from the fight.

    No. Never walk away. Stand with the rest of us and use your anger to replace all those democrats with better ones.

    Deviding ourselves further still is never the answer. Democrats have made leaps and fucking bounds in the past years. But it is baby steps. We have come a long way. But we still need every single one fo you united.

    •  That's exactly it (4.00)
      The thing is, the right wing is COUNTING on reactions like MSOC's.  They WANT us to give up.

      Maryscott, if you don't want to be a Democrat any more, do this instead:

      They are working to level the playing field and to get the money out of politics -- or at least make it much less of a factor.  

      Let's face it:  Campaigns cost money.  BIG money.  And the GOP, thanks to the K Street Project and their religio-racist right megachurch buddies (Kent Conrad's home state was drenched in pro-Alito ads run by Mullah Dobson), has much more of it than do the Democrats (and certainly more than we do).  

      That's why Democrats often sell out to corporations:  They need the money to run and win campaigns. has been very successful at taking the excess money out political campaigns at the state and local level.  Several states, including Arizona, have instituted PublicCampaign-influenced laws -- and did you notice that Arizona's turned a bit bluer recently? is the way to save our country.

    •  Can't fight ignorance (none)
      Centrists and libertarians are fucking up the Democratic Party so Republicans can win. They're helping to destroy America so a fascist regime can be established on the basis we'd all be rich. Lies and treason is all centrists and libertarians stand for nowdays.

      A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

      by Tux on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:02:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Already registered Independent... (none)
    ...but have never EVER voted republican... which ultimately makes me a democrat, as it likely does you too Maryscott, anger notwithstanding...

    you can vote green or libertarian here or there but it's a wasted vote.  

    all we gots is the dems...

  •  Please add a category to your poll- (none)
    Switching to Independent?  --  "Already Did It"
  •  Been back to independent (none)
    for awhile now.  Only registered Dem to vote in state presidential primary.  
  •  I am ashamed to be a Democrat (4.00)
    You spoke. Now it is time for me to speak. My pursestrings are closed. If you won't do what is good for the party, then you are no good to me. Goodbye.

    The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.--Winston Churchill

    by Sunqueen212 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:11:22 PM PST

  •  Great picture. (none)
    Had to steal that one.
  •  When faced with adversity (none)
    people respond in different ways.  Some people start crying and give up.  Others get angry and lash out at anything and everything.  Others get motivated and redouble their efforts in order to get through it.  
    Of course, it's never too late to join that latter group.  I hope that most people here will do just that once the pain of this defeat is less immediate.
  •  Why exactly is this diary top rated? (3.80)
    I see a tirade against Scalito and Scalito-voting-Dems with

    1. 5 instances of 'fuck'

    2. 1 instance of 'asshole'

    3. 2 instances of 'goddamned'

    4. various other insults like 'Vichy', 'scumsucking', etc

    OK, this might echo many people's sentiments, but what is so great about this diary? Does it contribute anything to the broader debate?

    Should diaries really be topranked according to the popularity of the writer? Isn't this what the 'reality based community' should be avoiding? Is a 13 line diary consisting of fumes and invective really worthy of a top-10 position?

    And isn't the same sort of behavior on the other side of the political spectrum the essential reason why we're putting up with 8 years of the Stuttering Cowboy? Isn't this victory of rant over substance essentially why Jon Stewart called Tucker Carlson a dick?

    Should there be some way to disrecommend a diary?

    • can recommend (none)
      and then unrecommend...

      but I suppose that isn't what you want.

    •  Get a life (3.25)
      If you don't fuckin like Anglo-fuckin Saxon usage, then .... fuck you.

      We just lost our Constituton, probably our country, and surely a whole bunch of our civil liberties over the next coupla decades.  And you're chimin' in with fuckin comments about what makes the top of the dkos recommend list?

      I'm sittin here swilling vodka trying to comprehend how MY COUNTRY has turned into such a grotesque piece of shit. Fine, tomorrow, I'll wake up, and begin the long, hard struggle to take MY COUNTRY back.

      Tonight, I -- and a lot of others -- need to fuckin rant.  

      If you don't like it turn your fuckin computer off.

      Soldiers are required to do their jobs when politicians fail to do theirs

      by leftvet on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:32:22 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Swilling vodka (4.00)
        I'm eating a whole bag of blue corn chips.  Way off the New Years resolution diet, but hey, I need comfort food this evening.  dammit.  Where's the pile of mashed potatoes with sour cream and gravy?  apple crisp and ice cream for dessert also sounds therapeutic right now.

        I mean, it's not every day we get to watch the destruction of our constitutional democracy....

      •  I haven't always (4.00)
        agreed with you, but damn, that was an impecable post (and so is Maryscott's).

        To me it's not just Alito getting in, it's how weak the Democratic party is. I really don't get  what part of "opposition party" they don't understand. All these calculated votes are getting me sick.

      •  Hey, leftvet, you sheep-felching goatfucker (none)
        It's not the fucking colorful Anglo-fucking-Saxon language that fucking offends me.  It is the fact that a 13 line diary conveying no good writing, no new facts, no daring new initiative manages to get the top spot.

        It is the cult of personality that allows some diarists to get top billing despite a mediocre performance, when other more deserving, creative, and hardworking diarists may lurk forever in obscurity.

        It is the fucking anti-meritocracy of the thing that offends me, an anti-meritocracy that, alas, somehow seems to emerge naturally in any social order.

        I see some amazing stuff here often, and this diary ain't it.

        •  Hey Tritium (3.00)
          Never felched a sheep, and never fucked a goat...

          Though in your case I might make an exception...

          Sounds like a hissy fit of jealosy to me...

          Look, I've had some diaries here that I was fuckin proud of that sank like a stone.  

          It be's that way sometimes.
          Nature of the beast.

          We just got our ass handed to us.  Some of us -- a lot of us -- need some rant-room tonight before we join the battle again tomorrow.

          MSOC is the champeen ranter.

          Hands down.

          I don't begrudge -- nor envy -- her top-spot 13 line diary.

          And frankly, I don't know why I'm wasting my time on you because you do.

          Soldiers are required to do their jobs when politicians fail to do theirs

          by leftvet on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:02:29 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  this diary was recommended (none)
      before, with completely different content about calling Bingaman's office.

      Then it was edited after it hit the #1 slot.

      As I said above, this is a horrible precedent to set by one of the most listened-to voices here.

      •  I understand your qualms. (4.00)
        And I respect them.

        I put the original text back, in context, and kept the edits.

        It just didn't make SENSE to keep the damned thing the way it was, and it wasn't going to drop off the list with ANYTHING like promptitude.

        I bessech your forgiveness, and I understand the argument about precedent, but I consider these to be, if you'll pardn the expression...

        Extraordinary Circumstances.

    •  Yes as a matter of fact it does (none)
      It allows people to release the tension that has built up over this whole insanity so they can begin to calm down and focus on the next thing.
      I won't be one bit surprised to see a LOT of anger going on here over the next few days. Probably a lot more anger as the months go on towards November.
      Like it or not, politics strikes at the heart as much as the mind. Letting out the anger now allows the mind to work past it as time goes on.
      And it could lead to the one idea which will break the Regressive GOP once and for all.
      So, let the rants go by, it'll make all the difference in the future.

      Freedom is the center of this country. All else must serve it and defend lest all rights fall to fear.

      by RElland on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:51:27 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Substance about the Alito nomination (none)
      has been abundant here. The consequences of having Alito on the Supreme Court and strategies to prevent that from happening have been discussed and debated every which way anybody could think of.

      Some emotion following a setback isn't out of line.

      Diaries may not be recommended because the writer is popular, but writers may become popular because they say things that articulate what others believe and feel.

      If the language offends you, why did you click on a diary where you're likely to find it?

    •  So write your own FUCKING diary. (none)
      And get it onto the Recommended list.

      YOU lasso the motherfucking zeitgeist, ya pedantic twerp.

      Sorry about that last one. That was uncalled for. I'm just really sick of people vomiting their whiny vitriol all over my diaries when they're on the RD list.

      I know I should be a bigger person and not be BOTHERED by comments like yours...

      but I'm not, and I am.

      So there. MLUGH.

  •  I was going to post this as a diary.... (4.00)
    but since there are so many diaries with a similar/slightly different message...I'll post it here. Forgive the length.

    Okay everyone. We lost. It's sad. I'm upset. I'm sure many of you are too. I'm thinking about smoking a cigarette even though I haven't had one in months. The only thing keeping me from doing that is my reminder to myself that Republicans own the tobacco companies and I certainly don't want to give them ANY more money.

    Anyway, let's scream, yell, throw things, jump up and down, swear (MSOC style people!!) etc. etc. Let's get it all the fuck out! And let's get it out tonight. Now...let me tell you why!

    We must get it all out tonight because tomorrow we have work to do! Tomorrow is the Alito vote. As of now we have 37 "No" votes. Hopefully tomorrow we'll have a few more than that. I want Alito to win by the smallest margin EVER...if that's possible.

    We need to be ready tomorrow to fight the media spin of the Alito Confirmation and of the State of the Union Address.

    I realize many of you are tired, frustrated, extremely angry, and disappointed. I am too. But I'll tell you what! In 2000, I needed some pep-talks from my Dad before I could come back to fight. In 2004 I again needed a good talking-to by my Dad before I was prepared to come back and fight. Today I don't need that talking to! I don't need that pep-talk! Am I FUCKING PISSED?! Yes, yes I am.

    Am I ready to give up and let the Republicans destroy the country that I love? The Constitution I would die to protect?! No, no I am NOT!

    I'm angry right now. I don't want to donate my money to the DNC  or the DSCC  or the DCCC , or anyone who didn't vote NO for cloture. But I'm going to donate my money to them anyway! Why? Well, because the only way to fix our country is to win! And the only way to win is to help our party with donations.

    If we leave our party now, we are only helping the Republicans win. Now, if you don't want to support the Dems who didn't vote No for cloture, call them and tell them that you'll be supporting their primary opponent. But when push comes to shove and the general elections come up, if those Senators need your votes, do the right thing and support them! If you don't we could be fighting an even BIGGER uphill battle in the Senate! (I know, I know...we're fighting one anyway...but not on all issues!

    Spend this evening getting all that anger out! And then tomorrow, let's get back to work! This is one battle lost. The war is still on...and we've got LOTS of work to do!

    •  And if people can't/won't do that... (4.00)
    •  Let's see... (4.00)
      There is a cabal in charge of this country - rich white people making a pact with government to feed each other monetarily, with corporate media as their P.R. arm.  This process is fed by corporate money, and money we send in.  

      The Democratic Party just proved that they value their corporate ties more than their constituents, and how do you want to fix the system? By giving them MORE money?

      Face it - The Republicans did not win today - the RICH won. They will be able to get healthcare when we can't, they will be able to get any medical procedure when we will not be able to, and they will be able to get legal protection against undue search and seizure when we will no longer be able to.

      I think we need to think in terms of starving the monster - what can we do to make it more expensive and harder for companies to lobby against our best interests?

      I think we can win the battle, but NOT with the Democratic Party - that is officially lost to the financial elite today.

      "A CONSERVATIVE is a man who is too cowardly to fight and too fat to run." --Elbert Hubbard

      by Rico on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:27:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Leaving the Democratic Party (4.00)
        will only make things worse. It will only ensure that people are worse off....that the divide between rich and poor gets bigger.

        It will take you 30-40 years to build up another party. The Democratic party is already there....we just need to make some changes. Some of those are possible this year in November. Let's make those changes happen.

        The other thing....if you're concerned about corporatism and the rich, check stop contributing that way.

        •  Changes in the party? (none)
          How is that possible when they're chasing the myth of the political center? Or letting lobbyists write laws? Or accepting corporate money to go along with Republicans so they can run for office again? Or libertarians cheering for fascism?

          Seems America needs more than 2 parties since both are owned by corporations who want socialism or communism for themselves and Hell for the rest of us.

          A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

          by Tux on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:09:02 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  America needs a new Political party... (none)
    The Progressives
  •  what I am going to do (4.00)
    Every fucking asswipe that votes for Cloture, I'm mailing the worthless scumbag a coat hanger. To remind these so-called Representatives and protectors of the Constitution, that is the future of women in this country.

    I'm not a RINO either, I am a liberal without any party at all.

  •  Maryscott OConnor (4.00)
    I have never disagreed with you before, but I do disagree with you title.

    We are not fucked. We have been dealt a predictable setback.

    If you listened to DeMint's speech, Republicans want us to believe that we have been fucked.

    The filibuster was always a long shot, but what have we accomplished? For one thing, we have forced the Senators to go on record with their positions.

    That includes the blue state Republicans who have been able to pretend that they are pro-choice. Do you think that Chafee, Snowe and Collins can hide behind that position any longer?

    Like you, I was extremely disapointed about the final tally, but I have no desire to play into their hands by letting them act like they fucked us.

    The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

    by NYC Sophia on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:17:01 PM PST

    •  NYC Sophia is many times in (4.00)
      the last months have I heard how the Democratic Party is dead, dying, on it's last breath etc?

      And everytime it's said the person saying is making the Republicans shout for joy.

      Alito was predictable. Maybe lots did like the REALITY OF IT. Maybe some of us are drinking a little more than usual. But it was a reality.

      But we can COMPLETELY change that political reality in November 2006 in the House by turning it BLUE!

      What to be a Democrat? Work towards that! Don't bemoan the one's that didn't vote for something that was doomed, regardless of what you hear on this blog. The MAJORITY, remember them...the guys with all the votes, could have killed the filibuster forever? No good. Not when we can change every committee chairmanship, start any investigation we want with the simple act of electing 16 more Democrats out of 435.

      Get to work and for some of you....stop WHINNING.

      (And will someone put a leash on Sheehan please...she's killing whatever good she once did.)

      We MUST win in 06! And that will take all your physical and financial work. Politics is a rough sport and you got to take your hits with the good stuff. But we can win easy in 06 if we stop attacking other Democratic officeholders. Wait until we have a really clear majority...then attack away. (Lieberman might be an exception.)

    •  But they DID fuck us. (4.00)
      The Democrats, that is.

      Not the Republicans. The goddamned DEMOCRATS!

      •  We Are Fucked (4.00)
        We are fucked because this fascist slug will be on the Supreme Court for the rest of my lifetime and beyond.
      •  No the Republicans fucked weak Democrats (4.00)
        On another post I mentioned that Senator Landrieu thought that by supporting Alito, she would get funding for Louisiana.

        ogre responded that the Democrats fell for the "I'll respect you in the morning" Republicans"

        I think ogre's phrase describes it perfectly, the Democrats did not fuck us, the Republicans did.

        Democrats like Landrieu allowed it to happen, but Republicans posing as moderates (Snowe, Chafee, Collins and Specter can you hear me), were the real traitors.

        Then again, I used to be a NE liberal republican and I may be projecting. Snowe, Collins Chafee and Specter have proved that there is no such thing.

        In my opinion, those people are the ones to blame, if they had stood up for their supposed convictions tonight's vote might have been different, but no, they decided to support their party instead of what their constituents wanted.

        The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

        by NYC Sophia on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:41:08 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  My Pathetic Senator (4.00)
          On another post I mentioned that Senator Landrieu thought that by supporting Alito, she would get funding for Louisiana.

          She's a clueless, spineless dipshit who thinks by playing Republican as often as possible, they won't target her when it comes time for reelection.

          It was reported in our local paper the other day that Landrieu has sided with Bush 64% of the time, the second highest of all Democrats.  When she was up for reelection in 2002, her primary campaign tactic was to brag of her support for George Bush.  Of course, Republicans went after her in typical fashion, saying she was out of the mainstream because of her Washington home wallpaper. Only after she barely made the run-off did she decide to criticize King George.

          She still hasn't learned and she never will.  She's a fucking pathetic excuse for a politician and the sooner she's gone, the better Louisiana (and the Democratic Party) will be.

          Guess all those here on dKos who like to (ridiculously) suggest she'd be good presidential or vice-presidential material will finally realize what a laughable suggestion that is.

          Without music, life would be a mistake.

          by Cory on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 09:00:38 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Payback is a bitch (4.00)
    I just want a list of primary opponents for every goddamned one of these turncoats. I want to let them know I am pledging to send $$$ to every one of their opponents. I fully support involuntary retirement for all of them ASAP!

    The only reason I am not registered independent is so I can vote in primaries against these spineless assholes

    "I do not like broccoli." - George H. W. Bush

    by Son of Broccoli on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:17:34 PM PST

  •  Maryscott...... (none)
    WELCOME to 'Independance'!!!!

    You'll get used to it as well as the Freedom it gives you Not To Belong To The 'One Party' System!

    And the way you write just wait till you Start Feeling the Freedom when you make Contact with any of the Pols who Want Your Support and Monies!!

    But in this New Century 'Do Support The Dems You Feel REALLY Understand!!!

  •  here's the list (4.00)
    What I want is a complete list of every [bleeping] [bleep] Democratic [bleep] Senator who voted for Cloture. That's what I want.

    Here are our Alito 17:

    Daniel Akaka, Max Baucus, Jeff Bingaman, Robert Byrd, Maria Cantwell, Tom Carper, Byron Dorgan, Daniel Inouye, Tim Johnson, Herb Kohl, Mary Landrieu, Joe Lieberman, Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson, Jay Rockefeller, and Ken Salazar.

    The Constitution may not be perfect, but it's a lot better than what we've got!

    by buddhistMonkey on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:20:07 PM PST

  •  Thanks, Maryscott (none)
    It felt good reading that. I'm right there with you in your frustration.
  •  Vichy Dems (none)
    Lets keep this name alive - one of the problems we have is that we don't always remember our betrayals except in cases like Lieberman where it's a constant stream of insults.

    We need a term, I go with MSOC's:

    Vichy Dems

    •  Vichy Dems (4.00)
      In a handy printable list....

      * Vichy Dems *
      Daniel Akaka
      Max Baucus
       Jeff Bingaman
      Robert Byrd
      Maria Cantwell
      Tom Carper
      Byron Dorgan
      Daniel Inouye
      Tim Johnson
      Herb Kohl
      Mary Landrieu
      Joe Lieberman
      Blanche Lincoln
      Ben Nelson
      Bill Nelson
      Jay Rockefeller
      Ken Salazar

      •  Thanks (none)
        Thanks for this list.  I have been looking all over for it.  Now I am going to fax them all.  First I will look for the list of those who are running in 2006 and if they are being primaried.  I will let them know that I am sending money to each of their opponents.
      •  Pick two. Make an example. (none)
        We can't go after a whole list that big to strong effect.

        We should carefully pick two of them and go after them with strong primary challenges. First priority should go to those up for election this year and those that have the worst record, with consideration of their state. I'd give a red state dem more room to manuever than an east coaster with initials JL.

        If we hit a couple of them really hard others might take notice. If we do this scatter shot the effect will be minimized.

        Joementum is top of the list - 2006 election and a W. shmooching dem.

        Who else?

        Tracking energy and transportation news.

        by joel3000 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:51:21 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  What would be cool (none)
        would be to have this list as a little banner block of html that you can paste into your website with each of the names as a hyperlink to the homepage of that person's opponent in the primary.  Perhaps a little "Vichy" themed graphic can be included.

        Payback time.

        Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy."

        by Event Horizon on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:55:10 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  It's not mine. (none)
      I can't remember WHO came up with it -- I just know it was a Liberal Street Fighter.

      em dash? Theoria? emptywheel? madman?

    •  Or (4.00)
      "The Capitulation Caucus"


  •  Cantwell's Dem Opponent in Primaries (4.00)
    Whoa, Cantwell is from my state (WA).  I just checked, and it looks like she is up for re-election this year.  And it looks like she has a progressive (by the looks of his web page) opponent in the Primaries too!
    Mark Wilson.  The page I found says the Precinct Caucus is March 4th.
    •  Hmmm.... (4.00)
      I think I could get to like this Mark Wilson guy. From his website: Does Maria Cantwell really represent you? She voted for: * the Iraq War, costing thousands of lives & billions of your tax dollars * the PATRIOT Act, infringing on your rights * NAFTA, causing millions of lost jobs * CAFTA, likely will have the same impact or worse as NAFTA * the confirmation of Condoleeza Rice, who lied to lead the nation into illegal war * the confirmation of John Negroponte, who looked the other way from human rights violations in Honduras * moving class-action lawsuits from state into federal courts, making restitution for corporate wrongdoing less likely for working families * the BUSH ENERGY BILL that gives $1.5 Billion in subsidies to the oil and gas industry, including Halliburton, but includes very little for renewable energy
    •  $50 to Mark Wilson (4.00)
      I just sent $50 to Mark Wilson.  I am so fucking pissed!!!  Keep them coming and I will keep giving out my credit card number - until my husband comes in and has a shit fit.
  •  Awfullly tempting to go independent, (none)
    but the best thing to do is to vent rage and wage war from the inside.  That definitely means supporting primary challenges for all of the Dem 'ayes.'

    I'll be faxing a message to each of them, as well:  "You stabbed all of us Democrats in the country in the back."  I think it carries a lot more weight coming from an angry and betrayed fellow Democrat than from an ousider.

    The Republican party: An alliance of madness and greed.

    by jem6x on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:27:00 PM PST

  •  Your 6 year old brings home a new friend (4.00)
    This is my new friend the military industrial complex. They're good friends of the government, and the government introduced them to me the other day. They really seem nice and all they want to do is make our lives better with all sorts of cool goods and services at affordable prices. They just don't want people getting in the way with their big 'opinions' about how to run things. They know  how to run things really well since they've been doing it for years and years. Some people want to spoil what's good for everyone and the military industrial complex says they should be executed. That means going away forever. Other people mean well but the military industrial complex says they should put a sock in it if they know what's good for them. They're just kidding. You've seen them on TV. They're really nice and they like nature and are working with us to keep the world real nice. So anyway they'll take care of it. I'm going to go out and play.

    What would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? unknown

    by moon in the house of moe on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:30:51 PM PST

  •  remember 2000? (none)
    & no, i'm not talking about florida.  i'm talking about new hampshire.

    better idea:  stay dem & vote for candidates with spine in the primary.  this, i'm outta the party thing is getting so freaking old.  s.

    the best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity --w.b.yeats the second coming

    by synth on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:32:01 PM PST

    •  Please understand (4.00)

      -- the outa the party thing is not just an emotional reaction.  It is the recognition that the system is too broken for the Democrats to work.  Realistically, they should have been planning the filibuster and promoting opposition to Alito way  back in December -- not last minute with a few stalwarts to hold our hand while the rest get business done the way they really want.

      You have to understand --- its the party that has left US.  If we want different results, we have to start doing things differently.  How do we do that?  By continuing to support the status quo? By just supporting the minority of Democrats who will support our causes and expect that that will be enough? C'mon please.  Time to make some very hard choices.

      Stop Looking For Leaders - WE are the Leaders!!!

      by SwimmertoFreedom04 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:45:17 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step (none)
        i do understand.  & to a large extent i agree.  & i realize, god, you don't know how much i realize, how frustrating all this is.

        but you are mistaken:  this is an emotional decision & not an intellectual one.  this is a temper tantrum.  i mean, look at the title of the diary.  check out the tone -- its utter hysterics.  but this is not the end of the world & i actually count this as a victory.  not of the filibuster of alito but of the progressive netroots over the democratic party.  if you'd told me two weeks ago that there would actually be an attempt at a filibuster, i'd have laughed in your face.  more than a quarter of the senate supported our position on the filibuster.  even more will vote against alito.  not great.  but that's a damn good start to 2006.

        the other reason you're mistaken is because tactically it does not make sense.  if we had instant run off voting of some sort, then i'd probably support your position.  but we don't.  that means that every vote for a third party candidate is one vote less for a democrat & as many issues as this party has, it is the only thing standing between us & a fascist theorcracy.

        the example of new hampshire is entirely relavent here.  the dirty little secret of 2000 is that gore didn't need to win florida.  if the naderites had voted for gore as the lesser of two evils, he would've had enough electoral votes to win, recount in florida or no, supreme court or no.  & i think that most people have realized at this point that there is a big difference between the parties.

        yes, the dems have their faults.  but they also have a party structure that, in dean's hands, is already becoming more & more competitive.  what you're proposing -- starting over from the ground up -- means that the republicans will have control over the government for at least another generation.

        if you're in doubt about this, check out the major third party movements in the history of this country.

        the best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity --w.b.yeats the second coming

        by synth on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 07:22:38 PM PST

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  •  25 Heroes (4.00)
    So when it comes down to voting "Yes" for confirmation, the crossovers on the Dem side are:

    Nelson (NE)

    These senators should be pilloried for this. But what of those who voted "Yes" for cloture? Only 25 stood up for a filibuster? A golden moment was lost here today. Like an alcoholic who hasn't hit rock bottom yet, the American public is going to have to suffer an awful lot more before it awakes to the realization that these things are important.

    Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

    by The Raven on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:38:03 PM PST

  •  work for change within the party (4.00)
    I know this comment will be unpopular right now, but we need to change the party from within. That's how the religious right changed the GOP--they got involved, they got on the precinct committees and the platform committees, they made their presence known. Now, decades after they started working on this, they are getting somewhere. But it takes time.

    I just joined my Democratic Party precinct committee. My next-door neighbor (reliable progressive) got himself elected delegate to the county convention, where he'll be on the platform committee. We need to work on GOTV and raising money for good candidates, but we also need to get involved in the organization.

    •  Not possible (none)
      Centrists and libertarians are begging for fascism. As long as they control DNC, it's best to leave and support others. I, for one, do not want fascism in America since democracy worked so well for so long.

      If centrists and libertarians are upset, too bad. Look at what you support compared to the Fascist Party/GOP.

      A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

      by Tux on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:13:59 PM PST

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  •  Great Fight Kossacks (4.00)
    Tough way to go down but at least you know you stood your ground and got your message heard loudly.

    Got no wise words for you from across the Atlantic, but you have them ready made for you from your own guys:

    "I just keep going up there and keep swinging at them. If I strike out two or three times in a game or fail to get a hit for a week, why should I worry? Let the pitchers worry, they're the guys who're gonna suffer later on."
    - Babe Ruth

    "I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
    - Michael Jordan

    (Yeah, I posted this on Kos' diary thread as well. But, you know, those are great words from two guys who know how to fight and they are great words for Kossacks and MSOC fans who know how to fight)

    New International Times, the place where Kossacks and the world meet.

    by Welshman on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:40:54 PM PST

  •  Register as an Indpendent (4.00) CT, and you can't vote for Ned Lamont. OH, and you can't vote for Paul Hackett or Sherrod Brown. MT, and you can't vote for Jon Tester.

    You have no say and the party lurches rightward.

    I'm not happy with the party today (rare has been the day when I have been over the last 10 years)... but I don't want to give up my power to change what's wrong.



    I think it's the height of irresponsibility to completely edit and change a recommended diary once it hits the top spot. Bad precedent. Bad move.

  •  We are fucked (4.00)
    Well...I don't feel as terrible as I would've if this had been even a week ago, when our checks-'n-balances democracy was goin' down the toilet, not with a bang (like today), but with barely even a whimper.

    What we did was amazing.  This far.

    Let's build on it.  Let's keep going...

    For the sake of future generations, and for all those on this planet who don't have even as much voice as we did today, we must keep going.

    Come on, comrades, one foot in front of the other...

    Kossacks are just the best warriors to have with you in a foxhole.  Let us not retreat because we've lost a battle....

    So proud of you all...that was just excellent.  Terrible as the outcome may be anyway, the fight was worth it.

    •  Get Real (none)
      If the Dems coulldn't muster the cojones to do anything on an issue which will impact the fundamental structure of American society for the next generation, how can you expect them to do somehing about something as trivial as  - say - health care?

      I hope this is the Dred Scott decision for the Dems.

  •  Headline on RawStory (none)
    "Lead diary on largest liberal blog: 'We Are Fucked'.."
    Just thought I might point this out.
  •  Mercy, Mercy (none)
    My Dear:

    I certainly can understand that you might be a little upset, but what did you expect?  I mean when was that last time the Democrats have had any gumption, whatsoever?  Furthermore your language is simply atrocious - and you are hardly known for your polite tongue.

    You know what they say, "Nothing, absolutely nothing happens by mistake.""It's all part of God's big plan and we are just here to carry it out.""We need to end all of this nasty partisanship and start playing nice with our Republican compatriots."

    Well, guess what?  They can all fuck themselves.  Oooohhh!  Did I say that?  I am simply shocked.

    They can all sit on a watermelon sideways.  Especially the DINOs.  What has gotten into me??  I must be losing my composure.

    The fact of the matter is, the Democrats aren't worth shit. They haven't done a god-damn thing to stop this steam-roller towards fascism - - with apologies to those who think we are already there.

    Thr best argument that the Dem apologists have is that the Dems are the only game in town.  Well, if getting fucked in the butt is the only other choice - - I think I'll pass.

    I certainly hope my Sunday School teacher doesn't see this.

  •  The End of Politics (4.00)
    The Right understands that really the only way to achieve fundamental change in our system is to get five Supreme Court justices.  They just did it.  And I fear that nothing else is ever going to matter much in politics in this country.  Not in my lifetime anyway.

    Once the Supreme Court rules that regulatory agencies are unconstitutional, that the major environmental laws are unconstitutional, that affirmative action is unconstitutional, that basically everything since the New Deal, and including the New Deal, is to be wiped off the books, what recourse is there?  Once the Supreme Court decides something, it can't be changed.  Even if the Democrats come back to power, their hands would be tied.

    There isn't a lot that a minority party can do.  44 Senators isn't enough to pass legislation.  But 44 Senators is enough to do one thing, and that is to keep an extremist off the bench.  It is the only thing the Democrats had the power to do, and they didn't do it.  That's the obituary of the Democratic party.

    There really isn't any point in politics anymore.  The vote today was for all the marbles, and the Democrats went down without a fight.  It's mindboggling.

    •  Yeah (none)
      I'd like to thank the Democratic Party, the part of Jefferson, for allowing fascism to enter America. When America needed you most, you ran scremaing, "But we might lose the center!"

      A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

      by Tux on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:16:16 PM PST

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  •  Yes You Are (none)
    And don't just withdraw your vote and your support.

    Tell them that if its good enough to give back potentially corrupt money to the Abramoff tribes, they can write you a check as well, because you will not support supine, corrupt flaps of skin on a stick.

    Demand the money back. You sure as shit are going to need it for something useful instead of pissing it up against a wall.

    New sig time.

  •  Send (none)
    every yes voting Senator a coat hanger, the future of abortion in America.
    Nice, I'm done being nice.
  •  Maybe, better yet..... (none)
    Everyone needs to register as a Republican.... Why? So we can vote in their primaries,, vote for their guys at the gras roots level, and have a chance to influence the election BEFORE the election- a double dip, so to speak. If you are in Alabama, don't vote for Roy Moore, and let the other guy get the nomination.. that sort of strategy. Get all their mailouts that cost money, and maybe even sign up to help as good little fascistas do ( but don't show up when you get a cold). Imagine the chaos it would cause in their party ranks if word was out that Dems were registering as Republicans. What are they going to do? Loyalty oaths? To which candidate?. They would freak out. Commie Pinko Faggot types infiltrating their flag waving god fearing party. Then, in the general election, pull the Democratic level or punchcard. Think of the Trojan horse. Call it the " Fuck with the wiring" strategy. Their whole party organization would have to worry about " who is real and who isn't. If we can't beat them, let's join them.  All of us. One big party. The equation would certainly move to the middle wtih all the new voters. Then do deep reflection the night before the election and vote your heart. Isn't that what religion is all about? Finding truth in one's self?
  •  You aren't fucked just cause you aren't on top (none)
    Maryscott O'Connor your ancestors weep with shame for you.

    What kind of lay down and take it scots irish pinko commie leftie warrior gets mad cause we lose a fight?

    Get up and shake it off and get back in the fight.

    By the way, its not about labels, are you a Democrat, are you a Green, are you a Libertarian, are you a man, or woman, old or young, are you al Qaeda, are you Hamas? Don't divide us, unite us.

    The war on Terra is a war on individuals.

    We are all people who oppose Bush and Alito and War and want to throw the bums out and win back the Congress

    I'll vote for anyone who will make known where they stand by leaving some blood behind before they run.

    We fought, ...

    we lost, ...

    We yet live...

    Those things that don't kill you make you stronger...

    we'll fight again and next time it will be ...


    •  I've said it before, I'll say it again here: (none)
      You freakng literalists will be the death of me.

      Did I sign off? Am I NOT commenting? Am I not ranting and raving?

      When's the last time someone who was SURRENDERING did it in RANT mode???


      •  We either all hang together... (none)
        ...or we all hang one at a time

        Lets focus on whats next.

        The Patriot Act, lets tell Congress that this time they need to read it before they sign it.

        Bailing out the bankrupt government...Medicaid took its hit ...maybe its time to downsize that Defense Department...get rid of the failed doesn't seem to be doing Bush any good.

        Lets protect America and keep it secure...from the next season of hurricanes, floods, mudslides, wildfires and faled levees.

        How about that 39% Bush approval rating __

        Live Free or Die (-8.88 -9.49) IMPEACH

        by rktect on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:05:02 PM PST

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  •  begging for a troll-rating (none)
    Maybe I'm a bit bitter about this mess, but I'd rather have not tried a filibuster than this pathetic, party-dividing failure.  Kerry fucked up, and he made the Democrats look bad - look weak, look partisan.

    Downrate me for trolling if y'all like.  There doesn't seem to be much stomach for the truth on DKos these days.  We've jumped right off the reality-based track here.

    Do I think the filibuster was the right thing to do? Yes. Do I think Senate Dems screwed it up?  Damn straight!  Am I gonna pick up my ball and go home whining?  Hell no, and FUCK ALL OF YOU doing so.

    You wanna call yourself "reality-based"?  Here's some fucking reality for you, kids.  Either you work for the dual goals of getting Democrats in a majority AND getting Democrats on solid ideological footing, or you change the channel and stop reading blogs and pretend it doesn't matters like the majority does... or you start stockpiling guns and pipe bombs for the Glorious Revolution.

    Because that's your choices - revolution, apathy, or working with the system we've got.

    I tip my hat to the New Revolution.  You can look up the rest of the words to the song yourself.

    Why are there no dinosaurs in the Bible?

    by Leggy Starlitz on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:53:50 PM PST

    •  Some Democrats look bad (none)
      some don't.  
      The party needs to look into its soul.
      Kerry didn't fuck up at all.
    •  What Nonsense (none)
      Like I said above - if my only alternative is getting fucked in the butt - as most "Stay the Course" Dems argue - - them I'll pass.  When anybody, ever, says those are the only choices, religious hucksters, used car salesmen, politicians - - I run for the exits.

      And that doesn't mean I opt out of the political system. I'm working - as of today - to find a real opposition party.  It will require the demise of the Dems - - so RIP.

      •  learn some history dammit (none)
        Do you remember the last time a major political party died in this country, and a new one rose to take its place?

        It was the Whigs, and the result was the Civil War.

        And the reason for the new party, where the old opposition wasn't pure enough?  The abolition of slavery.

        And the name of the new party?  The Republicans.

        I tip my hat to your new revolution.  You want to replace the Democrats with something new?  Start buying guns, you're gonna need them.

        Why are there no dinosaurs in the Bible?

        by Leggy Starlitz on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:22:21 PM PST

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        •  Gee Whiz (none)
          I am a historian - professional.  And if you check my journals, you'll notice that I blogged on the tremendous similarities between today's Dems and the 1850s Whigs.  And, yes, I ended up stating the the risk of violence is great, indeed.  Yet, it may have to come to that.  Seems like the Repugs think nothing of nuking Iran if necessary. The South fired the first shots of the Civil War - begged the North to do something - and were surprised when they finally got their butts kicked.  And that comes from somebody with DEEP Southern roots.
          •  in that case... (none)
            I guess you know what you're asking for.

            So is Alito really grounds for a last straw?  Could the Whigs have prevented the Civil War by being more engaged and responsive?

            If you think the situation is hopeless, and this nation is moving inexorably to civil war, then you may as well abandon the Democrats and start arming now.  

            But I believe that this situation, bad as it is, CAN be resolved in the political arena.  I believe the Democrats ARE moving in the right direction, albiet not as fast as we'd like. And I believe that the current GOP IS self-destructive and will immolate itself before it turns to all-out fascism.  I believe revolution is unnecessary, and civil war can be avoided.

            But if that's the case, then the ONLY mechanism for political sanity is to rebuild the Democratic Party from the inside (and help as we can to rebuild the GOP as it self-destructs).  For most of my adult life, I thought the Democratic Party was a wreck, unworthy of my support.  I woke up back in 2003.  And it pains me to see people throwing in the towel now, when we've sort of got the ball moving in the right direction.

            Why are there no dinosaurs in the Bible?

            by Leggy Starlitz on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 06:01:53 PM PST

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            •  A matter of perspective (none)
              I'm glad there is some conversation going on.
              What I noticed at first was that everybody was talking and nobody was listening.

              In response to some of your querries.  No, I don't think that conflict is inevitable - even with a new party - but it is increasingly likely with the current party structure or a new one.

              How could the Whigs have survived without addressing slavery in some fashion or the other.  In the case of the Democrats of the 1850s, they largely accepted the premises of Southern slaveholders - popular sovereignty, the Fugitive Slave Act, the Dred Scott decision.  Northern Dems were already drawing in immigrant Irish and Germans who were far more concerned about day to day survival than the issue of slavery.  

              The Whigs, on the other hand consisted of two segments - elites in both South and North.  The Southern Whigs' wealth was based upon the "peculiar institution" and the Northern middle and upper-middle classes - Protestant and Evangelical of the 19th-century variety - viewed slavery as an abomination.  So the Whigs tried to dodge the question - but obviously couldn't. With an institution such as slavery - you cannot have it and not have it at the same time.  And Southerners banned discussion even of gradual emancipation.

              So - - no, the Whigs were doomed.  Now, whether that is true of today's Democrats is the crux of all this debate going on tonight.  The cultural divide in America is deep, indeed.  On the one hand you have a large segment of Americans who believe that women should submit to their husbands and that gays and lesbians should be subject to forced "treatment" and/or incarceration.  Another segment envisions a broadly pluralist society.  The Democratic Party has been trying to straddle that divide.  I argue that it can no longer be done.

              I realize that you see it differently.  But, I suspect that if a large enough segment of movers and shakers leaves the Dem Party, the whatever new party is formed will have the political momentum and the pull for those left behind, those currently disengaged, and a small portion of Republicans who are dismayed at the direction of their party.

    •  Kerry and Kennedy did what they felt was (none)
      You call that f***ing up, but I disagree.

      I think what Kerry and Kennedy did was standing for principle; and to me that is more important than winning, at least to me. Throughout history, many people have given their lives or suffered greatly for what they believed, and did not 'win'.

      I thank God there are still people like that in this country.

      I DO agree with you that even the Democrats who voted for cloture, even the ones who will - ugh - I can hardly bear to type this - vote for Alito, are still better than their alternative GOP counterparts.

      In those cases where we can realistically challenge the people who voted for cloture or for Alito in primaries, we should.

      But the bitterness needs to disappear once the primaries are done and the candidates are selected.

      To continue otherwise is to play right into the hands of Karl Rove.

      "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty, soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

      by shpilk on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:09:46 PM PST

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    •  Wrong (none)
      Total B.S.

      Don't knock the ones who did stand up

    •  Public Servants? (none)
      Isn't that what these people are supposed to be? "Public Servants?"

      Or is it in the Constitution in invisible ink that they be self-serving weak-kneed "I really need to get reelected in order to do some good so I'll vote against freedom this time because the wind in my State is blowing to the right if I face north and...

      These people disgust me. Fiddling while Rome burns, each and every one of them that voted for Alito or for cloture.

      Send them all home to their plantations and a hot date with Gannon, Guckert, whatever the hell the White Houses favorite anal inserter's name was.

  •  Been "Independent" for a long, long time (none)
    When folks want to know if I'm Democrat or Republican, I answer with disgust "I'm an American."

    That's my alignment; that's my "special interest".

    I don't need a party to tell me what to do or for whom I must vote, nor where to cast about for support.  I need my fellow Americans - my fellow citizens - be there here or abroad, to stand and be heard.  I need my fellow citizens to think, look, and listen.  

    Most of all, I need my fellow Americans to think not only of themselves, but also of their families, and the others with whom they share the rights and freedoms of this nation.  I need them to understand that their rights and freedoms to express their beliefs and follow their faiths rests upon their ability to allow others to do the same, not in wasting time trying to manipulate and game the system.

    And I need my fellow citizens to act together, as a nation united, to force that behavior upon all who take it upon themselves to serve in public office, or as the selected representatives appointed by same.

    I am an American.  Party alliance be damned.

    Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
      Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
    Tempest even in reason's seat.

    by GreyHawk on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:55:23 PM PST

    •  "Be ~they~ here or abroad" (none)
      Dammit - noticed the typo after posting.

      Damn damn damn damn damn damn dammit!

      Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
        Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
      Tempest even in reason's seat.

      by GreyHawk on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:58:12 PM PST

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  •  over the top (none)
    i spent the day calling too, and this is disappointing--but what an out of proportion reaction. the republicans have won one election after another and so, what do you know, their guy gets to sit on the supreme court. why don't we win some elections and then someone with a conscience may get a chance. if you really want to be mad at someone, what about the judiciary committee democrats, the sainted ted kennedy included, who wasted their time making speeches and didn't manage to land a blow that changed any public opinion whatsoever

    p.s.--after a while, profanity loses its impact. talented writers use it very rarely, and when they do it stings.

  •  Uh, today was like (none)
    a really bad date .. after the anticipation, the preparations it seems that we got stood up.


    and I hope won't get pummelled for saying so, but really - it's not like we didn't see the warning signs of the train coming down the track.


    But on the bright side, I hear that Alito is on the side of the individual. He holds the highest respect for individual rights, I kid you not!

    If you happen to be a coporate citizen named Monsanto, Dow Chemical, Bank of America, Wal-Mart, Microsoft .. don't worry. You're in good hands now.


    "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty, soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

    by shpilk on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 03:56:50 PM PST

    •  I agree we saw the warning signs (none)
      and most of us knew the filibuster was a long shot.  However, most of us did not expect only 25 no votes today.  I suspect we all thought there would be at least 30, if not 35.

      To have so few votes raises questions.  Did Kerry et al. know there was very little support within their party?  Did they do this as a political stunt?  Why did so many Dems who could have voted no today without political repercussion choose to vote yes?  Why wasn't there an organized opposition to Alito before this weekend's slapdash attempt to get last minute support for a filibuster?  Why is there such a huge divide within the Dem party?

      It's depressing and frustrating.  Progressives and liberals and Democrats clambor for a unified party that represents their ideals, and we see time and again that we do not have that.  The lack of unity costs us so much, both politically and morally.  Those on DK who keep telling us to fight again, next time it will be better, well, they must not have had as many "next time's" as the rest of us.  It wears a person out.

      -4.88, -8.21 "I never vote for anybody. I always vote against." -- W.C. Fields

      by CommiePinkoScum on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 06:30:23 PM PST

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  •  Wrong attitude... (none)
    That is precisely what the Dem leadership wants:

    For us to give up on the Dem party. Not me. They hijacked my party.

    F em.

    But I'm the Dem, not them.

    The corporatists in power right now want nothing more than to go on losing, the Dems that is.

    The Dems we have in power WANT TO LOSE.

    They've wanted to lose from the beginning.

    All of this is staged. Has been for some time.

    The only way to change things is to bite the bullet, vote Dem. and jettison those Dems we can't keep in line.

    Only way.

    And the Dems need strength in order to recapture the majority, despite their intentions.

    •  When? (none)
      And exactly WHEN was the Democratic Party YOUR party.  It sure hasn't been my party in my lifetime.  Thirty years of Republican Lite is enough.
      •  Always was... (none)
        It's mine because I claim it.

        That's my existential struggle, my seemingly futile struggle for what is right.

        Now, I'm for more party options, but our system isn't set up that way, and honestly it doesn't work everytime unless Conservatives have just as many options (as we saw in Canada recently).

        Therefore, I think the best way is to go on voting strategically in whatever way is best.

        That's not always voting Dem. I'd vote for Sanders if I lived in Vermont.

        And I'd vote for an independent liberal who can win whenever I can.

        But it's all about strategy. And part of the strategy is taking over the Dem party as much as possible. Best way is to claim it as our own as far as I can tell.

        Could be wrong, but it makes sense to me.

  •  We were screwed (4.00)
    as soon as Bush and the Republicans thought of a great way to steal elections.  Every day brings a new form of torture.
  •  poll qs (none)
    Yes we're fucked.
    But, for your uber important poll, what about those of us that were never enrolled "D"?
  •  Not all States have party registrations... (none)
    ...e.g. here in Texas your party affilitation is set according to which party's primary you vote in.

    Republican't Leadership is a dangerous combination of cut-backs and incompetence.

    by casamurphy on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:05:00 PM PST

  •  To every Democrat who didn't have the courage (none)
    to vote no on Alito and then back the filibuster.

    You are gutless wonders.  Each and every one of you.  Why couldn't you support the filibuster?  Was it because you are afraid of being re-elected?  Did the Repubs threaten you?  They are going to come after you no matter what you do.  So why would you sacrifice our nation, our constitution, and our civil rights to keep your seat on a promise and a prayer?  Why would you give the President so much unchecked power?

    Did they promise you Federal funds to rebuild your broken cities?  Do you really trust they will make good on their promises?

    Why didn't you put up a fight?  Do you have such little faith in yourselves, your country, your constituents that you put your tails between your legs and quivered at the thought of filibuster?

    Each of you owes us an explanation.  


    Not the church. Not the state. Women will decide their fate.

    by JaciCee on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:06:08 PM PST

  •  I registered in December (none)
    as an independent (MD). I can't stand to be associated with some of the scum our party lets in office.

    for the animals | for the earth | for yourself :: go vegan

    by kennyt on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:06:28 PM PST

  •  Better yet--force THEM out of OUR party! (none)
    Instead of totally admitting defeat and letting them take away from us not only OUR COUNTRY but OUR PARTY, why not FORCE THEM to leave the party and become the independants or Republicans Lite that they really are?

    Instead of yielding the party to them, we should force them to give the party back to us, whom it rightly belongs to!

    I say it's time for a purge! To invoke a famous Bushism, they're either with us or against us--and since they're CLEARLY not with us...

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:07:11 PM PST

  •  Register Republican (none)
    I have been registered Green for the past several years.  I suggest that a large group of us register as Republicans and try to reform that party.  Teddy Roosevelt wasn't a whole lot different than the current Green Party, as he was a conservationist and anti-big-corporate.  The Democrats will not reform, the third parties will never make any headway, so that leaves going after the Republican Party, which I believe will soon be in a bit of chaos anyway. Look at what the religious right was able to do with that party over the past 20 years.
  •  Think long term.......... (none)
    In order to put justices on the Supreme Court, we need to WIN ELECTIONS!!!!!

    There is an irony here. If the neocons get what they wish for and Roe is overturned, I believe there will be a seismic shift in the public. Look at the polls!!! Two thirds support the stasus quo on Roe. I am sure the people will wake up and realize what the radical religious right that has hi-jacked the repubs has done.

    And, if properly managed, this could be a HUGE BOON to the Dems in the LONG RUN......

    •  Infinite Regress (none)
      In order to put justices on the Supreme Court, we need to WIN ELECTIONS!!!!!

      And in order to win elections (at least for the Presidency), we need to stack the court.

      repeat ad naseum infinitus

  •  Well, the change in this diary... (none)
    just made me unrecommend it.

    The world is made for those who are not cursed with self-awareness. -- Annie Savoy, from "Bull Durham" Yeah, and George W. Bush is living proof.

    by wmtriallawyer on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:18:32 PM PST

  •  Fuck, no. (none)
    I live in Massachusetts.

    " I went to war for George W. Bush; I came home to vote for John Kerry." - Sam Poulton

    by whometense on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:20:30 PM PST

  •  My nieces (4.00)
    I have three nieces, all extremely bright, funny, thoroughly delightful teenagers.  I imagine a conversation with one of them some day that goes like this:

    Niece: Uncle Lou, why can the government snoop on us all the time?  Isn't that supposed to be illegal?  And why doesn't Congress matter any more--in high school they taught us it was an equal part of the government.  And why did the U.S. make abortion illegal?  And why is George Bush still president in 2012?  And why is America practically the only country left without health care for everyone?  And why...

    Me: It's a long, sad story that you don't want to hear any more than I want to relate.  Let's go for ice cream.

  •  Herb Kohl (none)
    This is why I'm supporting Ben Masel for Senate in the Democratic primary!

    Ben would have filibustered...

  •  Independent, in CT means you're affiliated (none)
    with a party. So, if you want to be truly "independent" you need to be "unaffiliated."  Just a point.  
  •  Gang of 14 (4.00)
    Why does this image keep coming to my mind?:

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    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein

    by I like Ike on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:27:57 PM PST

  •  This too shall pass..... (none)

    Stranger in a Strange Land exposed me on Cheers & Jeers; Gotta Sweater?

    by PhillyGal on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:32:14 PM PST

  •  I'll stay a registered Dem, (none)
    because in NY, that's the only way you can vote in Dem primaries.

    Aside from the state and local races, which are essentially pre-determined, there is an important primary for president coming up in 2008, and I want to vote in it (and not for Hillary).

    Anyone who wants to change his/her registration should first check out the election law in his/her state.

    Good Kossacks wouldn't want to miss out on the big show in presidential years.

    The Republicans want to cut YOUR Social Security benefits.

    by devtob on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:35:54 PM PST

  •  Change the Title (4.00)
    Hey MSOC, how about changing the title to "Vichy Dems are Fucked"?  

    It's time to bleed these motherfuckers out to their left.  That means primary challengers, and opposition in the general, if necessary (no, not Republican - Green, Democratic Socialist, or whatever).  

    If your list is correct (and I have no reason to doubt that it is), that means 43% of our Senate Democrats failed to support us, and their party.  That is inexcusable.

    Oh, and I don't give a shit where they come from or who they'll vote for for Senate Leader. I'll continue to support Democrats who support me.  Otherwise, fuck them.

  •  These cowardly weaklings. (4.00)
    They fear their enemies more than they fear their constituents.

    This is what is wrong with the Democratic Party.

    Everyone lives in terror of the maniac Republican bosses.

    Quizzlings all!

  •  RAWSTORY has this diary (none)
    in the headline!!!
  •  I'm an Independent (4.00)
    who is going to my city hall tomorrow morning and registering as a Democrat, so I can vote that POS Joe Lieberman THE FUCK OUT in the primaries.

    I'm also calling his office to let him know he helped me make my mind up.

    Oh and I already signed up to help Ned Lamont.

    -7.38, -5.74 This is your world. These are your people. You can live for yourself today, or help build tomorrow for everyone.

    by DisNoir36 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:42:35 PM PST

  •  First, my condolences (4.00)
    to women, minorities, gay people, working people, and all Americans who aren't part of the corporate upper, upper echelon elite, who will suffer for years thanks to so many people not really paying attention--the sheeple of the Unites States, who by their ignorance have allowed the corporate elitists to take control of all of the branches of government. There are no longer checks and balances.

    Long live the Bill of Rights.

    Now for my fears, if it weren't for the Abromoff scandal this administration would be beyond anyone's ability to stop. Discussing the future of the Democratic Party would be mute. My fear? Now that they (the chisto-fascist corporate-bigots) control every aspect of our the government, they will turn their efforts, as dastardly fanatical as they are, on disrupting any and all investigations into this admin's malfeasance.

    Watch for this. Justice is the only thing in their way.

    "...I have reauthorized this program more than 30 times since the September the 11th attacks" - George W. Bush, 12-17-05

    by Pescadero Bill on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:43:28 PM PST

  •  Send the cowards a letter (none)
    telling them you will never vote for them again, and will actively work to see them replaced in office with a more liberal Democrat.

    I'm going to give Cantwell, my new (I moved, not her) Senator, an earfull.

  •  We make six figures a year (4.00)
    Not one cent goes to the Democratic Party?

    Why dare I admit such a thing, here of all places?

    Why dare ask me such a question, after this debacle.

    It was not a study in fruitless party discipline.

    It was a study of clawing past the competition to be first to kiss the jackboots.

    I am proud to be a very, very proud.

    But on this night nothing but shame sits astride my heart, as I name myself Democrat.

    The presence of such votes is a fifth column of the worst sort?

    Rant over

    Yeah, I'm wrathful. That's why they called it a rant.

    Do your worst, those who oppose me. I walk for better friends now; those who are worthy, walk faster, so I may follow you. Those who are not: do not cross my path, or that of my countrymen, ever again.

    If I am going to be part of a minority, well dammit, I'm going to be part of a minority that's worth taking noble, fruitless stands for.

    I'm going to be part of a minority that takes noble fruitless stands for me.

    I have seen the light.

    The Democrats, as they stand now, will not deliver me.

    The Democrats, as they stand now, are in my fucking way.

    My choices are two: Leave, or work for insurgent candidates.

    I can hardly ask for my country, when I have yet to enjoy a party that will watch my back.

    Lord knows, the Republicans won't, either.

    What will stay my O so rebellious hand

    I will wait for Dr. Dean to speak on this.

    What I want to hear him say: Not one sent of all that $51MM will go to the torture Dems, the Alito dems, the warfare dems, the Vichy Dems.

    He has one chance, one speech, one night to make the world right and secure my allegiance.

    I am tired of wishing for losers to be something other than their nature. I am tired of waiting.

    There is no fate but what we make. So be it.

    They are outta here.

    Then we'll TCB with the Republicans.

    Then we will finally get to the work that our current crop of venerable Democrats, what paltry few of them true and blue, cannot do.

    Bring your wrath, bring your derision, bring the hot blooded anger that makes countries change. Bring it here to my doorstep and dare to stare me down.

    Bring it here to my doorstep and dare to stare the inevitable down with me.

    Bring your hope, your frustration, your despair and pour it on the fire.

    Bring your love, your dreams, your unrequited joy in a country that seemingly takes such frequent displeasure with your company, thanks you not for the hard work of your hands and heart and soul, and join me in a circle, hands together, heads held high, voices loud and clear in the simplest of legacies left us by the original patriots:

    Let Freedom Ring.

    Let Freedom Ring.

    Let Freedom Ring.

    We have been cast aside, by people save by chance alone are not worthy to be our acquaintances, never mind our leaders.

    It is time to remind those who claim the honored name Democrat, and those who claim the blessed name American, that it is we who speak, we who lead, we who decide, and many who have forgotten their service will lose their privilege to plead any case but for their pardon, and regret the day they ever flinched from their sacred trust to let freedom ring, and instead reach inside the bell of Liberty, clasp the clapper, and suffer their hand to break rather than hear the chime of freedom peal clearly for all to enjoy.

    The Republicrime Party is coming for your money and your life.

    by cskendrick on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:47:12 PM PST

  •  We make six figures a year (4.00)
    Not one cent goes to the Democratic Party?

    Why dare I admit such a thing, here of all places?

    Why dare ask me such a question, after this debacle.

    It was not a study in fruitless party discipline.

    It was a study of clawing past the competition to be first to kiss the jackboots.

    I am proud to be a very, very proud.

    But on this night nothing but shame sits astride my heart, as I name myself Democrat.

    The presence of such votes is a fifth column of the worst sort?

    If I am going to be part of a minority, well dammit, I'm going to be part of a minority that's worth taking noble, fruitless stands for.

    I'm going to be part of a minority that takes noble fruitless stands for me.

    I have seen the light.

    The Democrats, as they stand now, will not deliver me.

    The Democrats, as they stand now, are in my fucking way.

    My choices are two: Leave, or work for insurgent candidates.

    I can hardly ask for my country, when I have yet to enjoy a party that will watch my back.

    Lord knows, the Republicans won't, either.

    What will stay my O so rebellious hand

    I will wait for Dr. Dean to speak on this.

    What I want to hear him say: Not one sent of all that $51MM will go to the torture Dems, the Alito dems, the warfare dems, the Vichy Dems.

    He has one chance, one speech, one night to make the world right and secure my allegiance.

    I am tired of wishing for losers to be something other than their nature. I am tired of waiting.

    There is no fate but what we make. So be it.

    They are outta here.

    Then we'll TCB with the Republicans.

    Then we will finally get to the work that our current crop of venerable Democrats, what paltry few of them true and blue, cannot do.

    Bring your wrath, bring your derision, bring the hot blooded anger that makes countries change. Bring it here to my doorstep and dare to stare me down.

    Bring it here to my doorstep and dare to stare the inevitable down with me.

    Bring your hope, your frustration, your despair and pour it on the fire.

    Bring your love, your dreams, your unrequited joy in a country that seemingly takes such frequent displeasure with your company, thanks you not for the hard work of your hands and heart and soul, and join me in a circle, hands together, heads held high, voices loud and clear in the simplest of legacies left us by the original patriots:

    Let Freedom Ring.

    Let Freedom Ring.

    Let Freedom Ring.

    We have been cast aside, by people save by chance alone are not worthy to be our acquaintances, never mind our leaders.

    It is time to remind those who claim the honored name Democrat, and those who claim the blessed name American, that it is we who speak, we who lead, we who decide, and many who have forgotten their service will lose their privilege to plead any case but for their pardon, and regret the day they ever flinched from their sacred trust to let freedom ring, and instead reach inside the bell of Liberty, clasp the clapper, and suffer their hand to break rather than hear the chime of freedom peal clearly for all to enjoy.

    Rant over

    Yeah, I'm wrathful. That's why they called it a rant.

    Do your worst, those who oppose me. I walk for better friends now; those who are worthy, walk faster, so I may follow you. Those who are not: do not cross my path, or that of my countrymen, ever again.

    The Republicrime Party is coming for your money and your life.

    by cskendrick on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:47:34 PM PST

    •  Dean doesn't decide that... (none)
      ...but those of us participating in the party do.

      Don't just register as a Dem.  Become involved in your state party.

      I got involved with Dems Abroad the last two years and now I'm on the Irish Dems Abroad committee.  You had better believe that every Democratic American voter in Ireland who has a vote in a state with a Dem who voted for cloture will know that Senator's primary opponent, will know when they have to register to vote in the primary and will know how to donate money to that primary opponent.

      Every email that I send out to my members will have some or all of that info from now till the end of this year.  Starting tomorrow.

  •  living in a bubble??? (none)
    the senators on this list are, and they will pay for the mistakes, we will pay for their mistakes also, but also may this vote, do something to fuel those who believe we will get it back, if not, it will be up to our children to fight, but is this the legacy we want to leave to our children?  Our parents sure did not.
  •  Why Independent and not GREEN??? (none)
    I ask because I constantly hear disaffected, disappointed Dems say they will switch to Independent, BUT, if you are going to send a message to Dems that they are not progressive enough, seems much more logical to me that GREEN would be the way to go. Independent can mean a lot of things. It is often interpreted as moderate-mushy middle and could even be rightwing. It doesnt give the party an accurate reading of what you (we) are demanding. With Green it is crystal clear.

    I agree with most Green positions. I retain my Dem registration because it allows me to vote in my Dem primary in NY. Without it, no go. However, I have toyed with the idea of switching back and forth but Im afraid I would forget to register back in time to vote.

    PS - Im not leaving the Dems due to above-stated reason, but I am so with the sentiment of FED UP with so many of them. Would I be wrong to assume more have joined me in my Loathing Landrieu (and Nelson) attitude? The tent is just too fucking big when it includes Republicans, wouldnt you say? And not even Lite ones, I'd say.

    Should a liberal Dem blog be driven into "safe zones" by a tame party, or should it drive a tame party to break out?

    by NYCee on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 04:59:55 PM PST

    •  Well ... (none)
      The Greens are completely disorganized and often unrealistic. But I wonder: What if all the subscribers on DailyKos just abandoned the Dems and tried something else? It wouldn't have to be Green; it could be anything. You would have a new party, with bright minds, infrastructure to raise funds, and a whole lot more. It is worth some thinking. What if you decided to do something like the Free Staters are doing by moving to New Hampshire - form a collective and move some place like Wyoming and change the dynamic.  

      A political fanzine containing random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times: Politizine

      by politizine2 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:27:10 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Despite your critique of the Greens ... (none)
        I think it is more realistic than your idea of forming a new party. Reason being that even if they are as drastically "disorganized" and "unrealistic" as you say, at least they already exist and they have a structure, weak as it may be. They have numbers and we add on. They are progressive on the issues, clearly so, and we add on to that message. Doesnt matter that they have some positions that arent a perfect match.  Point is, the Dems would have to pay attention and try to woo us back and they would be perfectly clear that it wont happen by enabling and even seemingly embracing rightwing policies and nominees. Let it get sorted out in the wash after they ask us what it is we want, actually listen, and then p-e-r-f-o-r-m.

        Should a liberal Dem blog be driven into "safe zones" by a tame party, or should it drive a tame party to break out?

        by NYCee on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:53:11 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Two structures actually ... (none)
          GPUSA and GP. Constantly fighting each other - one side electoral, the other side activist - and never getting anything done. Believe me: I watched them for years and years in Massachusetts, a ripe area for them, and they were hopeless. In 1996, there were two competing Nader petition drives - one with Jesse Jackson as the VP.

          The only good thing about the Greens was the 33 percent of the vote they got for Nader in Athol in 2000!

          Seriously though, they are nice people, but they aren't realistic or they are completely disorganized. Folks out here would be better off starting their own party from scratch.

          A political fanzine containing random musings about politics, music, the media and modern times: Politizine

          by politizine2 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 06:28:31 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Maybe they are just waiting for an injection ... (none)
            ... of the more politically savvy net/grassrootsers. Maybe that's what's needed -- a partnership of head in the clouds and feet on the ground. If it's yes to universal healthcare or no to preventive war (or tax cuts to the wealthy or polluting the environment or deregulated big business and military spending gone wild) it isnt hard to discern the Green's stances. They have at least succeeded in clearly marking their product.


            And that's something the Democrats, thanks to the Republicans in the "big tent," have botched beyond belief.


            Should a liberal Dem blog be driven into "safe zones" by a tame party, or should it drive a tame party to break out?

            by NYCee on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 07:40:37 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  I love that quote in the poll (none)
    I believe it was a future James Bond, as King Philip Augustus of France who said "You poor chivalric fool, as if the way one fell mattered." and a future Hannibal Lecter as Richard the Lion Heart, who said "When the fall is all there is, it matters."

    Glad to see another "Lion in Winter" fan here. It's so full of great quotes it could almost be Hamlet.

    Does anyone think Bush will ever catch bin Ladin?

    by Danjuma on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:06:32 PM PST

    I currently have a request from the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee for a contribution.

    My donation card will be returned sans contribution with the following letter:

    I work hard for my money and refuse to spend it to support the campaigns of senators who do not work hard to support me. While I thank those senators who chose to vote "NO" on cloture, too many Democratric senators chose to vote "YES".

    I refuse to have $.01 of my money spent on their campaigns. All of my political contributions, now and in the future, will go to candidates that represent true Democratic principles - Republicans pretending to be Democrats need not apply.

  •  I am curious.... (none)
    I don't know, but something about all of this bothers me....

    DO you think there is a shred of evidence to conclude that Ried and the Repugs have made a back-room deal...?

    You give us Alito, we give you Bush on a platter?

    I am just curious.  

    The Moral Majority - all those Christian conservatives left on Earth AFTER the Rapture....

    by sp0t on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:12:24 PM PST

  •  RawStory (none)
    RawStory has this linked, 4th story from the top.

    Embrace diversity. Not everyone is intelligent. -6.25, -6.31

    by FLDemJax on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:21:02 PM PST

  •  Play the ball where it lies (none)
    my dear.  

    Your sentiments and your proposed course of action will only play into the enemyies' hands.  

    Don't do that.

  •  What happened to integrity, and party unity? (none)
    I'm so disgusted with the Democratic party. I can't vote for the Repug's, but I'm sure as hell not going to vote for the Dem's anymore now either.

    If they aren't going to fight, then why should I care anymore.

    The R's win. Period. We should just all lube up because it's just a matter of time before they knock on the door, drop the constitution on the floor in front of you...and ask you to bend over and pick it up.

    I used to think it was just Rethuglican spin that Dem's were so pathetic and ineffective, but I see clearly now that those comments were true.

    The Dem leaders are beyond pathetic.

    I am officially a non-voter, I guess that puts another plus in the R column, because I'm not going to cancel out one of their pod people anymore.

    by worker on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:38:02 PM PST

  •  Welcome, Mary (none)
    It's happened to the best of us...
  •  We're not fucked. (4.00)
    Democracy's fucked.
    It's been fucked.
    And so have we.
    I'm sick of delusions to the contrary.
    Democracy is The Matrix.
    Welcome to the Desert of the Real.
    This is a capitalist society,
    not a democratic one;
    of the rich, by the rich,
    for the rich .We all hate
    Bush so much
    because he's removed
    the mask from what
    the gov't has always been.
    We had a shot in the 60s & 70s
    but the neoliberal agenda pushed back
    against us,we got lazy
    turned  our backs and
    the neocons knocked us down.
    It's up to our children
    and grandchildren to create
    something new
    when capitalism implodes
    if it doesn't take the planet
    with it.
    Adieu mes amis
    Happy Apocalypse
    No more left
    No more right
    There's only up
    maybe in smoke

    I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

    by gabbardd on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 05:51:20 PM PST

  •  You won't make a diff. as a independent either... (none)
    Not if you give up this easily.  And yes I mean easily.  Big fucking deal we spent a few months on this one.  The modern right wing movement took decades to get going.  Thats the kind of commitment you need to change things.

    We have to build up a strong DEMOCRATIC party and continue knocking the media around till we get a fair shake, and if you can't deal with the setbacks then you might as well not even bother going independent because you won't make a difference there either.

    •  Do the math. (none)
      R's needed 60, and they ended up with 72.

      17 D's broke ranks.

      72 - 17 = 55

      If our party had stuck together, we could have actually done something for once.

      Aw...I'm just kidding. We should keep supporting the plan we have now. After all, it's working so well.

      We have the Executive, Congress, the Senate, and the Judiciary.

      Oh wait, that's them.

      We don't have shit, because we are a party of pathetic, ego-centric, wimps.

      Go ahead and give up. Our party representatives already have.

      by worker on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 06:03:29 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Also I forgot the best reason for staying (none)
    To see that these SOBs lose their jobs to real democrats.
  •  Get a grip. (none)
    After reading all the posts abou the world gone to hell in a hand bag comments....including the fears for your kids, etc, etc....whew.

    Where is the perspective?  Yes, a fight was lost.  Is it the end of the world?  Far from it.  It's ONE Supreme Court justice....and one that doesn't even change the balance of the court.

    I cringe thinking of the meltdown that's going to occur here if Steven or Ginsburg's seats come open in the next 2.5 years.  THOSE seats would change something.

    •  For me... (none)
      it's not so much about losing, as the fact that we didn't manage a fight.

      How can you be so unconcerned about the 'loss' when we had the numbers to make a difference...but we can't make a difference, because we don't have a unified party.

      17 out of 42 Dem's voted against the party by their actions...and they voted against the roughly 50% of the country that (stupidly) looks to the Dem's for support.

      We need to all just realize that the Dem's suck.

      If they can't muster any kind of coherent fight against the corruption and right-wing idiocy that has taken over the country...there is just no use denying it anymore.

      WE SUCK! We can't win shit, and based on the actions of 'our' representative, we don't deserve to win shit.

      Long live the republican party. I only hope they treat me nice when they have me washing their floors and shining their shoes.

      by worker on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 06:26:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  noted feminist playwright (none)
    Wendy Wasserstein, passed away today.  Brilliant, funny.  Will be missed.
  •  Unaffiliated (none)
    MSOC -

    After 29 years as a Democrat, I unaffiliated after the Iraq Resolution and the Patriot Act because my representatives ignored me and all their other constituents by voting for these two pieces of legislation that invalidated Congress, gave broad authority to a recalcitrant executive authority, and attacked our civil liberties.

    Then I reaffiliated in order to work for Howard Dean and to vote for him in the primary in my state.

    I unaffiliated the day after the primary.

    As a result, I am not Independant (which is technically another political party) but Unaffiliated.

    In some states, I could still vote in primary elections simply by asking for a Democratic or Republican ballot, like in New Hampshire, or I could even vote in some primaries in some states without affiliating.

    In my local elections I have voted for issues and for good, honest reform candidates, notwithstanding their party affiliation, for the past several elections.

    If the Democrats ever care to throw up honest, strong, representative candidates in state or federal elections again, I'll have no compunction reaffiliating in order to vote for them.

    Party affiliation is not necessarily compulsory or permanent.

    I understand how you feel today.  I share your deep concern.

    But all is not lost.

  •  You are wrong (none)
    I switched from Republican to Democrat just before the 2004 election, as Bush opened my eyes to just how bad the conservatives really can be. And more and more moderates are doing the same thing. Witness all the recent posters here saying they've recently converted and all the writings by Republicans lately against Bush and his cronies.

    The momentum has just begun. This was just the beginnings of a small wave. The tidal wave has yet to come. We need everyone on this side as the momentum grows.

  •  We are fucked (none)
    Maryscott's in full whine mode again.  I have this incredible sense of deja vu.
  •  I have been an Ind. since 1989. What took you so (none)
    long? All of you hold on to the Democratic party like its a fucking life ring. Do you not understand the power that all of you, en masse, have?

    You, and I mean all of you, cold turn the Green Party into a viable force tomorrow. You, and I mean all of you, are not progressive just when it is convenient, like your sister, or brother, of neighbor are.

    You are the ones that pick through your trash every week to recycle. You are the ones that get in someone's face at the store when they make a bigoted comment. You are the ones that know the names of your elected officials, and have written to them.

    Fuck the Democrat Party. They no longer represent your views, and in fact haven't done so in a long time. Progressive politics will always be disjointed - it is the nature of showing respect to others. But the Dem's are not disjointed -

    THEY ARE GOP LIGHT, as many of us have been saying. They are corporatists with human face, but do not be fooled - they will let BIG BUSINESS fuck you in the ass when it is all said and done.

    You think Alito is about abortion? Honey, you are niave. This is about FASCISM, and now, like any banana dictatorship, they have the court to back them up.

    What is important is that you know the stakes. SOme of us will die. Some of us will suffer worse than that. But unless you want to live with someone else's knee on the back of your neck, you will have to fight.

    And the Democrat Party ain't gonna do that for you.

    •  And I want to add one more thing: (none)
      The Democrat Party that I used to hear about, the one that stood by the auto workers in my hometown of Detroit, that party...

      Would have had a hair accross their ass after the Quecreek Mine accient, in which nine miners were plucked from a would be grave. That Party would have made such a stink about worker safety that even though they weren't in power, legislation would have been passed to make mines safer, so that maybe the 12 that died in the Sago Mine would have lived...

      IF FUCKING CANADA CAN MAKE MINES SAFER, WHY CAN'T WE? Where was the Democrat Party on this? Can you tell me on ething that a Democrat said after Sago? What about after the NYC transit strike? What about after Ford and GM announced 60,000 job cuts? Wouldn't those have been UNION JOBS just a few years ago?


  •  Uhh,, Question: (none)
    why the F--- do we have to work so hard on such a no brainer issue like confirming a right wing bigot like Alito?

    if we can't get our "democratic" congresspeople to realize just how horrible this guy is and act accordingly, then how can we expect them to vote progressive on any issue?

    "We have no right to surrender our inheritance to boors and tyrants". Paul Goodman 1962

    by Superpole on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 06:36:47 PM PST

  •  These diaries surprise anyone? (4.00)
    Do they mean that if they are tolerated or even regarded as good because they help people vent that it's the prescription for the future?

    I should think we would be a little more patient with each other today.  This is a miserable day.

    Let people speak.  Kindly disagree.

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore.."--Prine

    by Cathy on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 06:38:24 PM PST

  •  Whiners.... (none)
    ...Republicans just love it when Democrats whine...because it shows how pathetic and weak some Democrats can be.

    My suggestion: the Democratic Party would be a much stronger party if all of the whiners (those
    who despair at every single lost political battle)
    actually lived up to their promises to quit...each and every time...and then...continually renege on their promise.

    Republicans have learned that you don't win the war by giving up after each and every single battle like the "Whiner" brigades of the Democratic Party.

    Oftentimes, Mary Scott is brilliant. In this particularl case, you come across as a very sore loser...or a whiner, in the current vernacular.

    Face facts and reality. We lost this battle. Personally, it's disappointing to me, as much, if not more, than to you.

    We can start from scratch with zero elected independent progressives (Jeffords, a sometimes progressive, was not elected as an indepdendent, by the way). Or we can switch to the Republicans with zero progressives and try to take over that party. Or...we can try to build on the 25 or so Democrats who fought valiantly for the progressive community on this one...and help to give them the added reinforcements they need to help to keep doing so....lets reward those adding to their forces come November.

    In order to do that, my fellow Democrats...we must stop all the just fuels the Republican mantra that Democrats are weak. A weak Democrat is not one who fights and loses, but one who always whines...and complains like a small child every time they don't get their way.

    Lets pick ourselves up, and prepare for the next battle...and do our part to increase the power of progressives in the Senate.

    •  Nicely put... (none)
      but, you seem to have forgotten that you don't have representatives in Congress and the Senate who will fight with or for you.

      No matter how many 'Pick yourself up' speaches you give, we're still stuck with a bunch of ineffective politicians representing us.

      And look where we are with their support and leadership!

      by worker on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 06:51:58 PM PST

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      •  thanks... (none)
        ...for your kind words...but the key point is that there are, in fact, at least a quarter of all U.S. Senators who are, in fact, fighting for progressive values, and sometimes more (depending on the specific issue), including a clear majority of the Democratic Senate caucus (25 out of 44).

        And, in the House, there are also progressives
        (the official Progressive Caucus there is larger than it has ever been, and growing faster than any other single caucus of the House).

        So...yes...we get give the Republicans exactly what they want...not only a victory...but a whiny bunch of sore losers...or we can accept reality and move on.

        •  You make my point... (none)
          when you mention that a majority of the Democrats are fighting for progressive values.

          That means that just under half of our party is either actively or passively standing in the way of those progressive values.

          Add the R's on top of that, and it is clear this will never happen.

          The Dem's are useless as a bunch of competing groups. COMPLETELY USELESS.

          I stopped donating to the party as soon as we lost in 2004.

          I won't give a dime to this party, because it isn't one party. It's a bunch of little groups that fight against one another, and ultimately destroy themselves and us with the.

          I'm completely and totally pissed by the consistent lack of a message, and a direction.

          Can you imagine how hard it would have been for us if the R's had actually elected an intelligent thoughtful person?

          Oh, yeah, it would be just as hard for us as it is now...because WE SUCK!

          by worker on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 08:12:46 PM PST

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          •  right...we need more... (none)
            progressive Democrats...we don't have nearly enough (though there are more progressive Democrats for us to work with than Republicans
            (of which there and third party progressives with elected members to the Senate(zero).
        •  Wdrath - You are proud of those numbers? (none)
          25 of 44 Democrats are "fighting" for us. You think those numbers are worthy of respect? ONE QUARTER of the Senate. ONE QUARTER!
          •  BrooklynRider: No (none)
            ...don't think "pride" would be the word to describe that...more like at least a start, more like...well...25, or 30 (depending on how one define's "progressive) is better than none, which is what the Republicans currently offer us, and which third parties offer us).

            If pride were an important character trait to me, having a progressive majority in the Senate
            (regardless of party affiliation, by the way) would make be much prouder of my country than today, and 100% of the Democrats.

   can't always have what you want, and we have to deal with the hand we've been dealt
            (whether we like that hand or not). Am just trying to look at this realistically, that's all.

  •  Ivan to Maryscott (none)
    Defeatism does not become you, my sister.

    "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

    by Ivan on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 06:47:25 PM PST

  •  Face it MSOC we have been fucked since 11-2-2000 (none)
    I realized that after the first theft, and the lack of a true back bench rebellion by the dems in Congress.

    Everything that has happened since has just proven me right- and I take no satisfaction in that whatsoever.

    I left the Dem Party in Jan 2000 and registered Indy.

    I still want regime change and because of that I will continue to work for and vote for and contribute to Democratic candidates with integrity.

    I have no use for partisan politics- in my opinion partisan hacks are 90% of the problem with our system (the my party right or wrong- as long as we win crowd).

    Vent, rant, and let those traitorous Dems (you know who they are) know they will not get your money, time or vote. Support their Indy or Dem challengers.

    Support the ones who stood up for what was right.

    Fuck the party politics- it is more than half of the fucking  problem as it is.

    If it makes you feel better- register Indy.

    You live in CA, right? The GP is a serious third party in CA- vote for some of them for local and state offices.

    You aren't alone- there are millions of us.

    Over 1/3 of all registered voters are Independents.

    We are the ultimate swing vote.

    Neither party can win without us.

  •  Vichy Democrats: great label (none)
    Dead to me.

    And what about Reid and Biden, the wishy-washy supporters of the abortive filibuster. They are the swamp.

    They go even lower in hell, because they gave both the kiss and then stabbed in the back as they puckered.

    I understand why the other diaries are heaving so heavily to keep the party together, fight to make it better, etc. I repect those bloggers. I only think they are deceived.

    No one will care, but I will wait a few days to think whether I spend any more of my time here at DKos. There are those who are asking us "whiners" to leave; this is a "Democratic blog", etc. Perhaps they are right. Perhaps I must follow my own calls to organize elsewhere.

    Do I really think the Democrats are dead? How can anyone with any political sense NOT feel that today? I will wait to see what I feel over the coming week. I am not optimistic.

    " this abject posture have ye sworn / To adore the Conquerour?..../ Awake, arise, or be for ever fall'n."

    by Valtin on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 07:07:38 PM PST

  •  Why the Fuck (4.00)
    Do so many people equate leaving the Democratic Party with quitting?

    Frankly, I would say that a strng case could be made that those who want to STAY in the Democratic Party as it currently exists are quitters.  

    Or losers...

    Whatever.  The Democratic Party does not currently represent the majority of the people who vote for them.  There are two possible reactions to this.  Stay in the party and fight from within.  Leave the party and fight from somewhere else.

    Either choice, in my opinion, is legitimate.  

    Fighting for what you believe in from outside the Democratic Party is NOT quitting.

    Soldiers are required to do their jobs when politicians fail to do theirs

    by leftvet on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 07:12:42 PM PST

  •  Voting for Nader is what got us Bubble Boy (none)
    Bush to begin with, thanks just the same.  For two terms.  Remember the Tweedledum vs. Tweedledee-ist?  Feh.  They did more damage than Turdblossom himself.

    No, I'm good with tarring and feathering the evil 19, and running them all out of town on a rail.

    •  I understand your point, but (none)
      wasn't it more like THE SUPREME COURT that got you bubble boy?!

      Can we wait even a SECOND longer? SEE GRAPHIC...

      by STOP George on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 07:42:16 PM PST

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    •  It was the Democrats, as usual. (none)
      There were more votes for Bush from registered Democrats than all the votes Nader got combined.

      Believe me, Nader did not force a single Democrat to vote for Bush.

      Nader is hated by both corporate parties because he is the greatest anti-corporate crusader this country has ever had.

      You don't like jobs being shipped overseas? The Democrats and Republicans do. Nader doesn't.

      You don't like the lax regulatory systems that allow unsafe working conditions? The Democrats and Republicans don't care. Nader does.

      You don't like government being run for the benefit of corporations with corporations literally dictating legislation? The Democrats and Republicans go along with it. Nader doesn't.

      If you cannot recognize your own best interests and who actually represents them by now, you definitely belong in the Republican or Democratic Party.

      Read "Indispensable Enemies" by Walter Karp. The job of the Republican Party is to promote the unification of business and government in exactly the way that Mussolini defined as fascism.

      The job of the Democratic Party is to contain the left so that it can never present any real opposition to corporate rule.

      The corporate parties love it when you blame some rich guy's gardener for taking your job, instead of blaming the rich guy who just outsourced 20,000 jobs and pays his gardener less than minimum wage. They love it when you blame Nader for everything too. He's the only real threat to corporatism that this country has.

      Whenever Nader speaks in San Diego, supposedly a conservative town, it is to sell-out audiences who love him. Some of us really do know who is on our side and who isn't.

  •  Next Time I get a letter looking for donations (none)
    for Byrd's re-election bid, he is going to get one big turd! I am sick and tired of the democratic party and I am mad as hell.  

    I was an independent and I am going back to being one and I don't give a shit what anyone thinks.  I have had it!!

    Until this party gets a collective spine, I will not be part of it. With the exception of Kennedy and Kerry, the rest of them SUCK AND THEY CAN ALL GO FUCK THEMSELVES!

    •  Joe Lieberman thanks you (none)
      He doesn't like liberal and progressive activists in the Democratic party.  They bother him about his votes, his love for George Bush, and threaten to fund primary candidates who run against him.  

      So he's glad you're leaving.  Heck, all of the evil 19 probably are.  And don't forget every Republican.  So you've made a lot of people happy.  The only ones you've disappointed are ones like Kerry and Kennedy, who waged a brave fight in the face of overwhelming odds.  

      But don't worry: progressives and liberals with political power are fast shrinking in number.  So you won't have to worry about the Kennedys and Boxers of the world soon.  

  •  NO (none)
    I'm never fighting or campaigning for the vichey democrats, but I'M STILL A DEMOCRAT.

    The votes of certain democrats doesn't change my values, and it doesn't change my party.  The people are the party.

    You can either remake an existing infrastructure, or you can start from scratch. One will be effective much sooner...and it is more likely to happen.

    I'll be helping out the 25 proud dems today, and working my ass off to help fighting real dems (who support civil rights for ALL AMERICANS) -- especially if they take on the vichey.

    Switching to independent means you are too lazy to try anymore.

  •  I've always been an independent. (none)
    I hold allegiance to my ideals and not to any party.  
    Thank-you for both the list and the oh-so-appropriate sobriquet of "Vichy Democrats."
    I'll use the list, over the next few days, to write letters to each and every one of the spineless bastards.  I'll exocriate them for their cowardice, and pledge my support to any primary challenger they may ever come to face.  Thank goodness for word processors; the task will cost me more in postage than in time.
    Fat lot of good it will do, I suppose, but it's all I can think of right now.

    The United States Of America:  July 4th, 1776-January 30, 2006.

    I see you when you're sleeping. I know when you're awake. I know if you've been bad or good. But criminy, even I go through FISA!-S. Claus

    by jazzmaniac on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 08:00:08 PM PST

  •  I agree 100% (none)
    Maryscott, I'm with you 100%.

    Above is my diary from last September about why I left the Democratic Party and switched to independent.

    I'm not at all surprised they sold us out again -- they're a bunch of motherfucking weasels.

    I don't wish to be associated in any way with a party of cowards, appeasers, and triangulators.  It is a much better idea to leave the party and support only those few, rare Dems who fight, or destroy the Democratic Party altogether so that a new party can rise up.

    If the percentage of sellouts stayed constant, we would have needed something like a 97-3 Democratic majority to have held this filibuster.  It's hopeless to keep putting our faith in this utterly failed party.  

    "I want a world where the Democrats will put somebody up there worth voting for." --- Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad.

    by asskicking annie on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 08:02:53 PM PST

  •  OK... (none)
    So's here's what's we do...  We know who fucked us in the ass.  They are dead to us, and now's the time to let them know it.  Here's the thing, if you switch to independent, you can't squash these fuckers in the primaries, so that's going to be where they begin to feel the pain.

    It's time they learned who their boss is, and who will fire their ass when they: underperform, lie, or work for the other side.

    Restructuring is a bitch, motherfuckers.  We need to continue the grassroots, since that's they way to cut out the DCCC and the DLC, so they can go work for their overlords, the RNC.

    A lot's been done, and there's a lot more to do, so backing down now is not the answer.  I think it's time to start turning the screws...

    If these politocos want to be in the game, they better realize quick that anger towards politicians is always right under the surface, waiting for a match - we've got the gasoline, time to start throwning those Molotov Cocktails - that'll "wake up" the DC cocktail circuit.

    By the way, to those who "pooh-poohed" or stressed more of this "keeping powder dry" crap, better realize that if they got nothing positive to say about our fights, they'd better stand down (That's you AMERICAblog) and say nothing rather than piss in the cereal.

    There's something called quid-pro-quo, in this sense, "I'll help you with your homework, and you'll help me mow the lawn."  That's something it seem people forget...

    "Botched? What is that? The word of the Day?."

    by seronimous on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 08:14:41 PM PST

    •  we've been doing exactly that (none)
      --with our money and our time and our votes. What have we got? A party that takes us for granted, and caves in to the opposition. A party that says "wait til next time", and then doesn't follow thru. A party that enables those who are committing crimes and treason and rolling back rights. A party that hands the opposition a lit match when they grab the Constitution to use for toilet paper, instead of grabbing it back and hauling them off to jail.

      They're right--we have nowhere else to go. We can't vote Republican, and we're stuck. Well, some of us maybe will just sit 06 out, just like the majority of the American people do every election.

      And it's not enough that some Senators did the right thing, unless the party can get its fucking act together (more than 4 days before a crucial vote) and act as a party, and not as 45 egos screaming for attention.

      •  Yeah? (none)
        Check this post over here at MyDD.

        I think it says it all... so we took a hit.  On the other hand, we've been giving out some hits of our own, and the hits they keep coming!!

        The fact is that we have to keep pushing back into the fight, and let these bastards know that we ain't going down for the count.

        "Botched? What is that? The word of the Day?."

        by seronimous on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 05:53:51 AM PST

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  •  Maryscott... (none)
    I feel your pain, and I totally understand your frustration... but what does voting Independant do for you, us, or this situation? Nothing, of course. We have to have people who want to fight in the Democratic party, or we may as well all move to Canada.
        Use this defeat to engergize yourself and the people you know!
  •  What is With the Jew from Wisconsin? (none)
    Or the two guys from Hawai'i?

    Jeeebus friggin Crisp! Even Dianne Fiendstein voted against cloture!

    And if I EVER here Senator Byrd pulling that Constitution out of his pants pocket and quoting the words of Jefferson again, I will puke blood all over the floor.

    Fuck every one of you, Vichy democraps. Fuccck you.

    Bush is the first President to admit to an impeachable offense. - John Dean

    by easong on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 08:18:47 PM PST

  •  I expected better from you... (none)
    I dunno, maybe you're just upset, but I don't think the "That's it, I quit" attitude is the greatest one to post about when you're perceived as such a leader in the community.

    This is when we get stronger, not quit.

    Whatever it takes; so now it's harder, that means the work is harder and more thankless, but don't quit for crying out loud... we fight again tomorrow.

    All the MSOC lovers may now flame me...

    "There is no spoon."

    by L0kI on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 08:20:31 PM PST

  •  I'm staying Democrat until the end comes (none)
    Dem or Independent, it won't make any difference if we're doomed. Democrats have done well in my state and I'm gonna keep pushing for them. I'm going to keep up my support for Durbin and Obama, and let them know I appreciate their work.

    Find a politician you can get behind, and get behind them. Support them. Do not support the ones you don't like. Be very specific about your donations, only donate to the good ones, withhold funding from the shitty ones.

    No matter what, we're going down. I'm going down swinging. We may as well go down in a party where most of the people who are in that party agree with us and are likeminded reality based individuals.

    Somebody really needs to tell the White House that "1984" is a cautionary tale, not a political guidebook.

    by jabbausaf on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 08:34:04 PM PST

    •  Huh? (none)
      Sweetie, you are a deer in the headlights. The end just came and you're still all Pollyana.
      •  Waiting for the changeover (none)
        Fighting within the rules for as long as I can.

        You'll know the end cause DailyKos will be shut down or moved to a server on a foreign country with American ISP access to it completely restricted. You want the end? You think it's here yet? Look at China. That's how we'll know.

        Somebody really needs to tell the White House that "1984" is a cautionary tale, not a political guidebook.

        by jabbausaf on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 10:19:50 PM PST

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  •  Independent party? (none)
    Why would you want to join ANY damn Party in this country? What Party has really stood up to these Fascists? Where are the Independents? The Greens? I belong to NO Party, but that also won't stop me from fighting for what is right. May I also suggest to all that are fed up with the Democrats who continually vote with Bush Republicans to stop talking and start walking. Run for office yourself instead of looking to Al Gore to ride up on his charger and save you.
    •  Typical (none)
      STOP RATING ME DOWN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. Who the hell do you think you are here? To be honest, you are one of the reasons why I don't post here as I used to and won't be. This arrogant, elitist crowd mentality here who just plucks down ones anytime their "sensibilities" are hurt. What, no response? No deep political thought as to why political parties in general have been the bain of our political process by causing factions, dissention, division, and ineffectiveness in truly getting down what needs to be done? No response as to why you can't put your money where your mouth is and run for office for all of your talk? The bottomline here is that there is not ONE PARTY in this country that has convincingly stood up to Bush. If you can disagree with that, then you are truly naive and just playing the game here to appeal to a certain group who fawns over you no matter what you type. And also, it is truth, that as much as you and others may pine for Al Gore to be "drafted," this system is LONG GONE, and unless you get off your ass and do something more instead of using this forum as a springboard for your own attention, it ain't gonna change. Now come back with an intelligent witty "fuck off" or something else to that effect. I expect nothing less.
  •  Oh boy (none)
    Right now, I'm glad that I live in New Jersey. I still don't really wanna be a Democrat any more. This kind of stuff makes me want to cry.

    No, leaving the Democratic party is not the same thing as "quitting". The progressive movement will survive with or without a bunch of cowardly jack-offs. It's about time that our representatives remember who they are and what they stand for.

    It's time to vote these clowns out of office.

  •  What to say and thanks for the T-Shirt (none)
    First, I want to thank you for that picture.  I saved it and will be taking it to the T-Shirt shop.  What a great conversation shirt.

    Second, I would recommend when we call anyone (but especially politicos), we start all coversations with:

    "Al Quida, White House, Jihad, infadel, missles, anthrax, al-Zawahri".  Just explain to the person answering the phone that you are just doing  your part for NSA job security and making sure they have something to listen to.


  •  Here's the Deal... (none) Texas I don't have the luxury of registering my party affiliation.  Listen, I'm as hard on the organized Democratic party as the next person.  But big fucking deal.  Alito's in.  Mary Scott, you're a little late to the party.  Any Democrat that didn't see this crap coming the minute the Big Dog entered the White House, wasn't paying attention.

    The philosophy of triangulation has not only taken out party to the right it has allowed, unchecked, the entire nation to move to the right.  Such that we now have a place in our "Big Fucking Tent" for Vichy traitors like Holy Joe.  

    I got no sympathy.  Now that we have a chance to clean house and get some progressives in office, you're packing your bags.  Please.  

    No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

    by CrazyHorse on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 08:47:05 PM PST

  •  Good Riddance (2.50)
    Politics is a long, drawn out war, and when our soldiers threaten to quit after every battle it's a lot harder to fight.
    •  SHUT UP (3.00)
      Spare the preaching. It is SIX years into the Bush presidency and Dems have PROVEN they stand for nothing. They talk out of both sides of their mouth. The battle isn't over and no one is pulling out, but the scope of the enemy has been revealed. The Republicans AND Democrats are perpared to work together to destroy this country. We must form a new Progressive Party and cultivate alternative candidates to the two major parties. I don't want any former Democrats or incumbents in a party I support. I want oroginal ideas and NO connections to the corrupt two-party system.
      •  Are you kidding me? (2.50)
        Have you really seen no progress in the Democratic Party since the 2002 elections?  Since the 2004 elections?  

        Have you even been watching?

        Parties are not nimble.  They do not change course on a dime.  But slowly, surely, we have been inching this behemoth of a party back onto a course that preserves our rights and fights our fights.

        And now you'd like to abandon it.

        Put this into perspective, act like a fucking grown-up, and look ahead to the next fight.  We need your fire and your passion here.  We do not need your bitching and moaning, though.

        •  Spin2Cool - Do you read your own posts? (none)
          You posted this enlightening sentence:

          "But slowly, surely, we have been inching this behemoth of a party back onto a course that preserves our rights and fights our fights."

          So, according to you we have a behemouth off course that we are inching back to a point where they'll preserve our rights and fight our fights. Uh, it's SIX years later. I don't have time for "inching" the "behemouth." By your own admission they are not preserving our rights or fighting our fights.

          Pull your head out of your ass. At this rate, you'll have them "on track" by 3006.


          •  impatience (none)
            If you're that impatient, you shouldn't try to play politics in the US.  Our system is maddeningly slow.  We all get frustrated.  Hell, I'd love to see a benevolent dictatorship take over and quickly set things straight.  It's not going to happen though.

            If you really think the best way to effect change on our government is through a third party - go for it.  

            I'd wager a fortune though, that the time that it will take to build a party from scratch will be far longer than the time it will take to reclaim the Democratic party, though.

            The Republican machine took nearly 30 years to come to fruition.  You do the math.

    •  Someday... (4.00)
      You'll be permitted to give out zeroes.

      Won't that be cool?

      Visit Satiric Mutt -- my contribution to the written cholesterol now clogging the arteries of the Internet.

      by Bob Johnson on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 09:09:51 PM PST

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  •  Fuck Them All - Tonight the Democratic Party Died (none)
    Fuck them ALL. The Democratic Party is dead. Certainly, we can point to the Vichy Democrats, but let's not forget the failure of the Minority Leader, the Judiciary Committee Dems, and the piece of shit Democratic Whip. They failed en masse.

    Not only am I never again supporting a democrat (yes, ANY democrat), but I will contribute money and time to those seeking to unseat them. They have lied to us to get our money. They have paid uus lip service. They have stabbed us in the back.

    Anyone defending this lot of shitheads better be prepared for a full frontal assault. Oh, and get used to these words: FUCK, ASSWIPES, NAZI-BASTARDS. You're going to hear alot of that.

    First step, lets suspend Mary Landreiu's proposal for New Orleans. It's every sate for itself and I don't want MY tax dollars in anyway contributing to propping up her candidacy, by deliverig a perceived win to Louisiana. And what exactly is Lieberman? Not so much Vichy as Jew Kapo.

    To think I contributed to some of these people's campaigns... Jeez.. NEVER EVER AGAIN!

    And FUCK Howard Dean up his turncoat ASS.

  •  It would appear you like biting off your nose (none)
    to spite your face.

    Registering Independent?  

    You must like having Republican control is all I can say.

    •  Puh-lease (none)
      Oh really? It's Republican control with or without Democrats. The Democrats are accomplices the the shit this country is drowning in. Stop painting them as the valiant opposition. They lay down in the road on every issue and beg to get rolled over.

      screw them

    •  I dunno man, this is why I still haven't (none)
      registered as a Democrat, they don't represent me on the hard issues when it comes down to it, liberal as I am, and it's not worth registering as a Green because they have no hope of ever being in a position to represent me.

      Not until there's a competitive Democratic primary here in Oregon will I register with them.

      The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit. Somerset Maugham

      by verasoie on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 09:22:39 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  when... (4.00)
    I saw this diary, in its original form, I wondered about the logistical capabilities of a small call center handling two thousand calls in one day, let alone twenty minutes. I come back a while later and see the our MSOC has completely edited the diary - that a number had recommended in its original form - into some kind of "I'm taking my ball a going home" rant.

    I really don't know what to think anymore, not about the Democratic party or dKos in general. More about this desperate need to stay out in the forefront. This first stage of this diary was ridiculous, this transformation is embarrasing.

    But, you know what? I have two little girls who depend on me to keep fighting, and I will for them, for myself, even for MSOC. We have a chance in 2006 to take back some very important seats and we need not, CANNOT, lose sight of that. Does the pending confirmation of Alito suck? Hell yeah, it does. But, so does the ongoing war in Iraq, the neglect of thousands of victims of hurricanes, the illegal spying on American citizens, and so on and so forth.

    Anyone who feels like throwing in the towel after today, go right ahead. Me? I am going to go ouot fighting. I will not go down silently. I am not advocating blanket support of someone just because they have a "D" next to their names, but it is long past time we remind some why they do...

    Poems and stories from the mind of Darrell Gahm...the American nightmare

    by the white trash poet on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 09:20:10 PM PST

  •  I've been an Indepenent for years (none)
    Why buy any 'party' B.S.
    Think for yourself.
    That what Independent means. Get it?

    BTW, If your gonna bitch at DEM traitors, try to be 'somewhat' civil.

    After sending Newt a blistering email several years ago, the Feds were at my door the next day.

    •  No shit, they were seriously at your (none)

      I can only imagine that your email contained threats of physical violence?

      If not, was it acknowledged by the Feds?

      Do tell.

      The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit. Somerset Maugham

      by verasoie on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 09:26:58 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Complete contact info for the Vichy Dems! (none)
    Here it is...


  •  here's an assignment for MSOC (none)
    ..there must be some way to bring together mad, disgusted, Liberals, Conseratives, Independents, Libertians, Greens, Moderates...
    If you could corral all the people who don't like the direction of the country and their party leadership any more you could have a new one...bigger than the other "two".
    •  WORLD CAN'T WAIT (none)
      You are right, there is a way to bring together disparate, yet similarly disillusioned groups.

      Tomorrow night take to the streets. Bush gives his State of the Union, we declare a State of Emergency.

      Google: WORLD CAN'T WAIT

      Find your state's protesting cities and BE THERE.

      We WILL form a new party from this pile of shit.

  •  In Missouri (none)
    you do not register a party. I will, however, continue to vote in Democratic party primaries.
  •  Piece of Shit Democrats (none)
    Fuck these Democrats.  They are not Democrats.  If having a principle other than the principle of getting re-elected they don't even have a fucking principle or value.  

    Let's all learn to say Green.  Or better, what do you think of those fucking fascits in America, eh?

    "The unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates. "Sure it is." Dubya. Because "It's good to be Da King." Mel Brooks

    by sww92498 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 10:10:55 PM PST

  •  Agreed (none)
    I have no care about moving -- I'm sick of these idealogies of advanced patriotism and being a martyr for the United States. If you only live once - why live out your life in a place like the United States under the control of Republicans. It's not a big surprise to see politicians being corrupt from time to time of any stripe but the fact that a lot of people overwhelmingly don't give a shit.... Maybe I'll come back when things get sorted out :P
    •  moving... (none)
      I agree with that...

      Was living abroad and saw the light last year.  There's no sense in going back.  I applied for permanent residency.

      To me it aint worth it.  My family and most of the people from my town are all so far beyond reason it scares me...

      "Well, that's your opinion...  I just take it on faith and I know God will show us the way"

      There's no arguing with that!

  •  Join us in the Greens (none)
    They have  neither less nor more power than the independents.  But I can at least live with the people and the platform which discusses stuff important to me.  And I can still vote for Ds in the general.  

    Stephanie Herseth is a bigot.

    by NorCalJim on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 10:49:50 PM PST

  •  I'd love to see.... (none)
    ... a viable third party in this country.  And a fourth, and a fifth.... etc.  A two party system makes for an anemic Republic.

    More parties would be healthy -- we'd be more Democratic, and our interests would be better represented.

    But in 2006 and 2008 I'm going to try to get anyone with a (D) next to his/her name elected, period.  Not because I love them, and not because I trust them -- but because I fear that a continuation of the Republican majority will destroy my country.  The Democrats might not be a whole lot better, but in my view they can't possibly be any worse.  We've got 25 good ones in the Senate, at any rate.  That's something.

    "No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices." - Edward R. Murrow

    by thepuppethead on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 11:15:40 PM PST

  •  The Liberty Party (none)

    "...And bunnies would dance in the streets, and we would find life on Mars." -Peter Singer, Brookings Institution

    by zentiger on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 12:17:28 AM PST

  •  Fuck 'Independent' - Go Green (none)
    We're quite dysfunctional over here in Greenland, but I'm one of thousands of ex-Dems across America who are fed up with this lesser-of-two-evils shit. We'll probably be banned from dKos near the start of the next election cycle, but you have ask yourself - are you a Democrat, or do you support democracy?

    Think Different, Think Green

    by shmooth on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 01:55:28 AM PST

  •  Going Green (none)
    I reluctantly joined the Democrats a few years ago after a lifetine of militant independence. Figured Bush was important enough to take a side in our badly dysfunctional two-party system. The Democrats have allowed, very probably, two elections to be stolen without any fight whatsoever. They still can't build any effective, unified front against a scandal saturated Republican majority and a corrupt, criminal administration. All they can do is appease and hope for some better opportunity in some make-believe future. We newbies lent the Demos some spine and they've turned it to jello.

    The Green Party is looking real attractive right about now.


  •  Bill Nelson of Florida.... (none)
    Here's a democrat who voted FOR Abu Gonzales to be confirmed, and who voted FOR the Bankruptcy Bill, and who, now, has voted FOR CLOTURE.

    Bill Nelson not a Democrat at all, but, like Joe Lieberman, is a Republican who calls himself a Democrat.

    So, switching parties to independent won't make any difference to these Vichy Democrats.

    We should focus on the fact that from TWO SENATORS--Kerry and Kennedy--we persuaded 23 MORE SENATORS

    It shows that we do have influence. That's pretty good in a 4-day time period. And, no, I'm not a "glass-half-full" sort, I'm a confirmed realist.

  •  The traitors (none)
    What we need to do is collect $1 for each of us who want to see these idiots out of office and give all candidates that could run against them.  We need to get together on this and squash this a**holes that like Bush, have no dignity.

    We must finish their careers, we must get rid of them NOW!!!!!!!!!!

  •  This post harms the Progressive Cause (none)
    Because of the inability of the poster to come up with an intelligent title(Maryscott, can you hear me, or are you only capable of listening to yourself), Maryscott diminishes herself and her fellow kossacks with this post.

    Just imagine you are a middle American in Topeka Kansas, receptive to the message of kossacks and progressives, because you are so disgusted with the likes of George Bush. And then you learn of this poster on this "progressive" or "liberal web site" that starts out by saying "We Are Fucked."
    This particularl Topekan is so repulsed by your title that they want nothing more to do with you or dailykos or those liberals, or those damned Democrats.

    In this particular case, it's unlikely that you have done what is necessary to achieve your claimed objectives of establishing progressive powerbase and agenda in this country, because this type of post does not persuade anybody to your side.

    Maryscott, you have diminished yourself, and this entire community with this post.

    Please live up to your promise...for once...and leave the Democratic Party. We do not need you.

    •  I registered Independent the day after (none)
      the cloture vote.

      And why you felt compelled to post this comment is beyond me. We have very different opinions, but apparently MINE are fair game for ridicule and disdain from you. I am content to accept the fact that your opinions simpy differ from mine; I am NOT compelled to ridicule and disdain you for having them.

      Enjoy your stay at Superiority Estates.

      •  Ridicule? (none)
        the quality of your headline ridicules your own diary. You do not need me to do that for you.

        Please re-read my post and you'll see why this progressive American is increasingly concerned about how some progressives and liberals are a hindrance to their own purported cause.

        Am glad you are no longer a Democrat. You, me and the Democratic Party are all probably the better for that.

        •  I am unwilling to subsume my principles any longer (none)

          for a party that thinks I'm expendable.
          •  you'll be happy to know... (none)
            ...that this kossack doesn't speak for the Democratic a human being you are most definitely not expendible. My point: though there is great admiration of you by this poster for much of your writing and commentary, this diary diminishes you, daily kos and the progressive community imho.

            Let me take another stab at better expressing myself on this: if progressives like you and me are going to ever succeed in stopping the conservatives, let alone ever actually start moving a progressive agenda forward, it will be,
            at least in part, by persuading enough people
            to give enough power to enough progressives to do so. Diaries such as this one will not likely persuade, either anyone in this community (certainly not me), nor others who may be receptive to a progressive agenda, but so turned off by screeds like this that it is counter-productive.

            And, yes, am glad there is no official member of the Democratic Party putting out communications such as this one, because it would be harmful to that party, as well.

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