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Dear Friends,

As most of you have probably heard, I was arrested before the State of the Union Address tonight.

I am speechless with fury at what happened and with grief over what we have lost in our country.

There have been lies from the police and distortions by the press. (Shocker) So this is what really happened:

This afternoon at the People's State of the Union Address in DC where I was joined by Congresspersons Lynn Woolsey and John Conyers, Ann Wright, Malik Rahim and John Cavanagh, Lynn brought me a ticket to the State of the Union Address. At that time, I was wearing the shirt that said: 2245 Dead. How many more?

After the PSOTU press conference, I was having second thoughts about going to the SOTU at the Capitol. I didn't feel comfortable going. I knew George Bush would say things that would hurt me and anger me and I knew that I couldn't disrupt the address because Lynn had given me the ticket and I didn't want to be disruptive out of respect for her. I, in fact, had given the ticket to John Bruhns who is in Iraq Veterans Against the War. However, Lynn's office had already called the media and everyone knew I was going to be there so I sucked it up and went.

I got the ticket back from John, and I met one of Congresswoman Barbara Lee's staffers in the Longworth Congressional Office building and we went to the Capitol via the undergroud tunnel. I went through security once, then had to use the rest room and went through security again.

My ticket was in the 5th gallery, front row, fourth seat in. The person who in a few minutes was to arrest me, helped me to my seat.

I had just sat down and I was warm from climbing 3 flights of stairs back up from the bathroom so I unzipped my jacket. I turned to the right to take my left arm out, when the same officer saw my shirt and yelled; "Protester." He then ran over to me, hauled me out of my seat and roughly (with my hands behind my back) shoved me up the stairs. I said something like "I'm going, do you have to be so rough?" By the way, his name is Mike Weight.

The officer ran with me to the elevators yelling at everyone to move out of the way. When we got to the elevators, he cuffed me and took me outside to await a squad car. On the way out, someone behind me said, "That's Cindy Sheehan." At which point the officer who arrested me said: "Take these steps slowly." I said, "You didn't care about being careful when you were dragging me up the other steps." He said, "That's because you were protesting."  Wow, I get hauled out of the People's House because I was, "Protesting."

I was never told that I couldn't wear that shirt into the Congress. I was never asked to take it off or zip my jacket back up. If I had been asked to do any of those things...I would have, and written about the suppression of my freedom of speech later. I was immediately, and roughly (I have the bruises and muscle spasms to prove it) hauled off and arrested for "unlawful conduct."

After I had my personal items inventoried and my fingers printed, a nice Sgt. came in and looked at my shirt and said, "2245, huh? I just got back from there."

I told him that my son died there. That's when the enormity of my loss hit me. I have lost my son. I have lost my First Amendment rights. I have lost the country that I love. Where did America go? I started crying in pain.

What did Casey die for? What did the 2244 other brave young Americans die for? What are tens of thousands of them over there in harm's way for still? For this? I can't even wear a shrit that has the number of troops on it that George Bush and his arrogant and ignorant policies are responsible for killing.

I wore the shirt to make a statement. The press knew I was going to be there and I thought every once in awhile they would show me and I would have the shirt on. I did not wear it to be disruptive, or I would have unzipped my jacket during George's speech. If I had any idea what happens to people who wear shirts that make the neocons uncomfortable that I would be arrested...maybe I would have, but I didn't.

There have already been many wild stories out there.

I have some lawyers looking into filing a First Amendment lawsuit against the government for what happened tonight. I will file it. It is time to take our freedoms and our country back.

I don't want to live in a country that prohibits any person, whether he/she has paid the ulitmate price for that country, from wearing, saying, writing, or telephoning any negative statements about the government. That's why I am going to take my freedoms and liberties back. That's why I am not going to let Bushco take anything else away from me...or you.

I am so appreciative of the couple of hundred of protesters who came to the jail while I was locked up to show their support....we have so much potential for good...there is so much good in so many people.

Four hours and 2 jails after I was arrested, I was let out. Again, I am so upset and sore it is hard to think straight.

Keep up the struggle...I promise you I will too.

Love and peace soon,
Cindy

Originally posted to CindySheehan on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:19 AM PST.

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  •  GREAT job Cindy (4.00)
    we love ya
    •  Bastards! (4.00)
      The First Amendment means nothing to BushCo and their security forces. They don't think, they just overreact. America is becoming a police state.

      Events Our Dear Leader attends are almost always staged these days. The State of the Union Address has become a laughable farce, stuffed with rhetoric and false promises designed to make these idiots look responsible when they really aren't.

      The Orwellian language...the callous disregard for the Constitution...the mistreatment of patriotic citizens...the spying...the harassment...are now well known trademarks of this administration.

      We cannot allow this to continue. We cannot allow the media to perpetuate administration lies. It is time to stand up and fight. Cindy Sheehan's a fighter and I hope she keeps fighting. It's people like Cindy that inspire other Americans to act.

      •  it is amazing to me how blatatantly they lie! (4.00)
        bush and his cronies lie so easily these days.  there is no one who checks what any of them are saying against facts.  like when bush says how much he cares about the troops....  if he cares so much, why is he trying to cut benefits and close va hospitals?  if he wants kids to have an education, why is he cutting student loan funding?  and one of the hacks on after the speech (which i did not watch btw) flat out lied when asked about the student loans!  he said that the cuts to student loan funding was a lie, AND NO ONE TOOK HIM ON ABOUT IT!  and people out there believe it....  

        i don't know why.  do they block out the connection?  bush and his family and his cronies have made their fortunes off of oil, yet he says he wants independence.  things he has said before btw.  yet no one questions  his intention.... no one even bats an eyelash at the irony of such statements about oil independence.  no one wonders about any sort of conflict of interest.  they just bend over and take all the lies...

        last night i was watching gilmore girls...  and loralai was telling her friend how to get a leash on her dog.  she said he is fine with having his freedom taken away as long as he doesn't see it happening, like americans.  i took a breath.  wow!   that is so true!  

      •  Unfortuantely, the state of the Union itself (4.00)
        is what is becoming a laughable farce.
        •  Freep this poll (4.00)
          about Cindy's arrest!!

          http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...

          •  53% AGREE with the decision to arrest (none)
            Good grief.

            Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on. --Winston Churchill

            by rmwarnick on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:53:30 AM PST

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            •  If you have two browsers, it's an easy (4.00)
              way to prove that MSNBC polls are total crap.

              Why?

              Because I was able to vote again by using MSIE after I voted using Firefox.

              All the vote proves is that some right wing masturbators are erasing their cookies.

              MSNBC is a joke - at the very least, they should disallow more than one from a specific IP address.

              "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty, soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

              by shpilk on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:20:30 AM PST

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            •  They agree because... (none)
              They agree because they don't understand what really happened.  They just heard press reports that Cindy Sheehan was arrested for protesting.  They didn't get details about it just being a T-shirt or that she didn't cause any disruption.
              Ironically, has Cindy worn a nice business outfit she could have stoof up in the middle of the speech and started yelling at the top of her lungs.  

              This is the "liberal" media screwing up yet again.  Oh and you probably won't hear about the Republican who was thrown out for wearing a support our troops T-Shirt.  That won't get covered at all because it doesn't fit the "wacky liberal protester" meme.  

              Cindy, by the way, I read what happened and I wanted to ask you, how the sergeant reacted to you when you told him about your son?  I mean on here, the majority of us sympathize with and support you, but I'm curious as to what reaction you get from random guy who served in Iraq.

              --- If trickle down economics worked, Marie Antoinette wouldn't have lost her head

              by sterno on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:10:44 AM PST

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              •  Correction (none)
                To be fair, I did a quick search on google news and the coverage isn't bad.  I've seen repeated mentions of the Republican wife who was booted too.  So I withdraw my criticism...

                See, I can admit I'm wrong, I must not be a Republican :)

                --- If trickle down economics worked, Marie Antoinette wouldn't have lost her head

                by sterno on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:16:53 AM PST

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            •  Borrowing from the Brits: (none)
              "How can 53% be so stupid?"

              "He that sees but does not bear witness, be accursed" Book of Jubilees

              by Lying eyes on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:03:25 PM PST

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          •  Freep Other Poll Too (none)
            While the Cindy Sheehan poll is currently 53% yes, 47% no, the one right next to it is very interesting at: "Did President Bush persuade you that he has the right plan for the country?" with 33% yes, 67% no. So, maybe more people have some sense of decorum about the Capitol or don't like Sheehan or protests, but they sure don't like Bush either -- in even larger numbers!
            •  Interesting... (none)
              Seems to be perhaps a case of the new libertarian-leaning pro-apathy, I-hate-anyone-with-an-opinion-or-political-direction that seems so popular among so called middle of the road types and independents these days.  

              Check out my lte archive at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomletters and feel free to use my ideas for your own lte's.

              by DemDachshund on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:42:08 AM PST

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        •  I can't watch it (4.00)
          The ridiculous applause when the liar says black is white.
          The bowing and scraping as the liar leaves the room.
          I did tune in to CSPAN towards the end of the rebroadcast of the liar's speech in order to watch Tim Kaine's response.
          I don't know how other people feel about this but how can some Democrats go running over to pat the liar on the shoulder and smile and shake his hand?  
          Why do the Democrats politely join in to clap softly at what the liar says?
          I would need a barf bag to sit there.
          sheeeesh
          Are these people nuts?
          This man should be impeached for crimes.
          Why is there the bowing and scraping?
          I wish Freud or Fromme or somebody were still around so they could explain what the (bleep) is going on here.A display of reverence and respect for someone who behaves like a criminal. I see intimidation and bullying by a man who says look at me I can break laws that defy this congress and when I come to them to lie about the true state of affairs that same Congress "rolls over" (words used by Wes Clark in his recent speech) to honor a bully and criminal.  
      •  Action plan? (none)
        We're all going to comment (or as someone said, opine) about how terrible the situation is. Is there some useful, concrete action the blogosphere can take in response to incidents like this? Let's mobilize about freedom of speech the way we did about Alito, but maybe even more proactively.
      •  Thank You Cindy Sheehan (none)
        and may history forever curse those who add to your pain.
      •  But it means something to Rep. Woolsey (none)
        (The first amendment that is) Here is what she said in defense of Cindy.  And that idiotic, illegal arrest.

        Tell it, Lynn.

        Should a liberal Dem blog be driven into "safe zones" by a tame party, or should it drive a tame party to break out?

        by NYCee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:53:43 PM PST

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    •  Photo of incident (4.00)
      Cindy Sheehan being taken out of the gallery by the officer (hand on arm) after removing her jacket:

      •  Uh, no (none)
        Unless her tshirt was a black long sleeved t-shirt, that appears to be a black jacket.
      •  thanks for the photo (none)
        great evidence.  not sure why anyone'd take offense.

        It's ONE thing for them to prevent peaceful disagreementss at Bush/Cheney speeches.  

        BUT IN THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE, HOW DARE YOU DENY SOMEONE'S FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS???  & to someone who GAVE HER SON to this country??

        What a bunch of hacks.  Bush gives a speech about the "promise of America" but when an American doesn't have the First Amendment right to SIT QUIETLY & RESPECTFULLY in front of him, THEN IT'S ALL A LIE.

        But then we know everything he said was a lie anyway.

        thank you, Cindy, for being there & i offer you my sinceriest apologies for considering that the CNN "unfurling the banner" story was even potentially true.

        never again.

        •  Where did that shit of a story (none)
          get started and how did it get spread? Anybody know?

          You didn't do it.

          by Earl on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:07:52 AM PST

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          •  CNN "reporter" Ed Henry (none)
            quoting (or channeling) a WH spokesperson, as I recall
          •  News websites still on the "banner" (none)
            The story Bush accents America's duty abroad was written by PETER BAKER and MICHAEL A. FLETCHER, of The Washington Post

            The paragraph:

            The emotional opposition to the war also played out in the chamber yesterday night just minutes before Bush arrived, when antiwar activist Cindy Sheehan, invited by a Democratic House member, unfurled a banner in the gallery and was arrested by Capitol Police for disrupting decorum.

            is still running on numerous papers websites without correction.

            the Concorde Monitor

            Inside Bay Area (with many other papers linking to them)

            the Missourian

            And many more.

            And (won't link properly) the Philadeplphia Inquirer's blog (http://blogs.philly.com/...) now reads:

            ... Here is a little multiple choice quiz (grades don't count.) "Peace Mom" Cindy Sheehan got herself arrested when she revealed her ant-war T-shirt in the House gallery. The family of another soldier killed in Iraq was honored with applause and appreciation for the son's duty

            But Google shows it, in its preview, reading this:

            ... Here is a little multiple choice quiz (grades don't count.) Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan got herself arrested when she tried to unfurl a banner in the audience...
            .

            There is no mention of the change in the blog. Hmm.

            You didn't do it.

            by Earl on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:58:29 AM PST

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        •  email CNN (none)
          It appears CNN has purged its website of references to the banner unfurling, and not issued a public retration.

          Can this be confirmed? I just did a rudimentary web search, and I only just heard about the incident, never saw the original article.

          •  i saw the story (none)
            i should've screen-shot it but CNN had it & has to either lie that it never happened or deny the 1000s who saw it.

            call them on it & ask them where they got that story from?

            & why they say she "refused to cover the shirt" when she is saying the exact opposite.

            WHY THE HELL WON'T THEY QUOTE HER?

            when people get shot in the streets, the news grabs any random person connected to story to give a "statement".

            WHY WON'T CNN TAKE A STATEMENT FROM CINDY???

        •  As of this morning... (none)
          CNN has changed their story. It still differs significantly from Cindy's version but it does at least say it was the T-shirt and not a banner.

          http://www.cnn.com/...

          conscientious objector in the battle of the sexes.

          by plymouth on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:29:43 AM PST

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    •  Thank you, Cindy! (4.00)
      I just want to let you know that both Democrats and Republicans disagree with your arrest!

      They might not agree with you, but they agree with your right to protest!

      •  Puh leeze (none)
        The Rethugs are the reason this happened.  gimme a break.
      •  Forgive me (none)
        if I'm unimpressed with the "disagreement" of a few right-wing bloggers.
        •  I am grateful... (4.00)
          ...for any chinks that appear in the armor.  For any cracks that might let the sunlight in...

          "There's no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead." - GWB, 5/11/01

          by Stymnus on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:55:46 AM PST

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      •  as seen in a thread over there, (4.00)
        Cindy, thank you for fighting, I believe the law is on your side as well: see Bynum v. Capitol Police Board (a 19 page PDF, but fairly straightforward). First, merely wearing a t-shirt does not constitute demonstration activity, according to the Capitol Police Board's own regulations.

        However, even if it did, you'd still have a First Amendment case, which they also go on to explain in that ruling, going so far as to strike down the very portion of the statute that might try to ban it as being overbroad.

      •  I'm impressed (none)
        that they went to the trouble to look up statutes and stuff. Usually the average wingnut is satisfied with "My gut tells me that as an American it is my right under the creator to wear a t-shirt."

        Nobody likes big government until they need something. -5.88, -6.82

        by Debby on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:54:39 AM PST

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        •  Check it out sometime (none)
          Balloon Juice is actually a pretty good blog--John Cole is a moderate conservative, and his co-blogger Tim F. is a reasonable liberal. A lot of the posters are fairly liberal, some libertarian, some conservative, a few nuts, a couple of lunatics, and a few jokers. It can be a fairly fun and freewheeling place, once you get the hang of it and get to know the regulars.
    •  Cindy, please file a lawsuit (4.00)
      I know you've been through a lot, but I wish you would file a lawsuit so that we can re-establish our right to free speech in public.

      It seems to me that the real issue here is the need to protect Bush, our Dear Leader, from any evidence of what he has done. Maybe Bush's ego is that fragile.

      Economic Left/Right: -6.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85 That makes me more Gandhi than Stalin

      by TomDuncombe on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:27:24 AM PST

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    •  Cindy - take heart (none)
      Cindy, take heart.  

      What I'm about to say may seem harsh but I truly believe its the best approach for how to handle this.  Take it or leave it, I mean it with the best of intentions.

      I'm writing as an outsider and "only" a $ contributor to the Peace House, who never went to Texas, but has watched and paid attention to your media coverage over the last year.  For what its worth.

      Your problem is that you come across as a neophyte to the game of power politics, and you have successfully been stamped as a fruitcake based on quotes magnified and taken out of context to turn you into the new Jane Fonda.   This is a fucking tragedy.  

      The Right wanted people to think anything about you, anything else to distract from the essential truth that YOU LOST A SON. And it worked. Unfortunately you made some comments that gave the Right a bagful of ammo to use against you. That plus you're speaking voice needs a dose of power persuasion to go along with the tears.  You're very smart and know the issues, but unfortunately grief only goes so far with a citizenry so cut off from their own emotions that they can't listen otherwise.

      Another reason why silent vigils are often preferable to a dozen interviews.

      But the best thing working for you is that you never say die.  You're obviously utterly committed to your struggle, down to the bitter end, and persistence goes a long way.  If the Right wants to shut you up, they'll have to send you to Gitmo to do it.

      Take heart with this: populist movements often emerge from the "free-speech" crusades of political opponents eager to challenge the laws and unwritten codes of rituals and formal spectacles. This happened in both the french revolution, and the civil rights era.

      Free speech appeals can be especially potent in America where it is seen as a core value - enchanced by its special status in the 1st Amendment. Legally it has struggled but it does resonate powerfully from a PR standpoint.

      What will backfire is if the Left makes all kinds of the wrong hay out of your plight and exaggerates just those qualities of you and your past comments that the Right wants them to.  Better to quietly pursue this in the courts and stick to the PR aspects of free speech - don't let the Left make the same mistake twice of turning you into a symbol.

      "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords..."

      by pawlr on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:53:39 AM PST

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      •  Yeah (4.00)
        Yeah Cindy, remember that Democrats are really big on very silent opposition.  Usually so silent you don't even know its there. They want you to be like them.  Please don't rock the boat.  Please don't make any waves.  And dear god, please don't do anything.  You know, just like the Democrat's opposition to the war before you went to Crawford.

        If anyone is neophytes to power politics, its the Democrats.  Just the fact that they call it a "game" shows how clueless they are.  That and the fact that they keep losing, and losing, and losing, and losing, and losing, and losing.....

        Advice from Democrats on power politics is like advice from Charlie Brown on kicking a football .... good grief!

        Cindy, just keep being yourself.  You've done more in opposition to Bush in a year than pretty much the pretty much the whole Democratic party has done during the entire Bush administration .... well, John Conyers excepted ... but the Democrats do their best to ignore him too.


        "Everyone should go back to Africa, especially black people." -- Richard Pryor

        by COBear on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:35:18 AM PST

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      •  On Fruitcakes & Neophytes (4.00)
        Your problem is that you come across as a neophyte to the game of power politics, and you have successfully been stamped as a fruitcake based on quotes magnified and taken out of context to turn you into the new Jane Fonda.

        Jesus H. Christ, everybody's an image consultant. This poster discounts the best of Cindy's virtues. This poster is completely blind to what Cindy is--and what she isn't!

        She's not a contrivance! She's not a PR construction pieced together for a fearful electorate and clayfooted politicians. She's Cindy, natural and unrehearsed, and free to take risks and make mistakes precisely because she doesn't sit on her hands worrying about how she "comes across." Cindy Sheehan takes principled action when everyone else is too busy working the angles, calculating every step, paralyzed with fear. See Samuel Alito's nomination to the SCOTUS for more about political paralysis.  

        Cindy's a gadfly, rough-hewn and inconvenient, like Socrates. Why would you want to turn a perfectly good gadfly into another ineffectual gladhander? We've got enough of those. The more Cindy pisses people off--from the left and the right--the more I know she's making progress, getting through. You want political sophistication? Fine! Politcal sophisticates are great about making fewer PR blunders. Great for avoiding any action that could be made into "the wrong kind of hay." They're masters at inaction and CYA. But are they good for anything else?

        What will backfire is if the Left makes all kinds of the wrong hay out of your plight and exaggerates just those qualities of you and your past comments that the Right wants them to.  Better to quietly pursue this in the courts and stick to the PR aspects of free speech - don't let the Left make the same mistake twice of turning you into a symbol.

        Oh, balderdash. Absolute rot. You go and turn yourself into pretzel if you want. You go wring your hands all day & night about backfire and the wrong kinds of hay and PR aspects, if that's your thing.

        Meanwhile, Pssst Cindy: better to be yourself. It's "working" fine.

        Is nothing secular?

        by aitchdee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:40:22 PM PST

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    •  Last night some people on Daily Kos were slamming (4.00)
      her for "unfurling a banner."

      Why was everyone so quick to swallow the Republican owned MSM lies?

      Today is the 1st Day of the Rest of your Life in a Fascist Dictatorship.

      by The Angry Hobbit on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:42:09 AM PST

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    •  we love ya! (none)
      you're the best, Cindy.  I don't need to tell you to keep at it, but thanks for reminding me to do that!
  •  N/T (4.00)
    Keep it up Cindy! Give 'em hell for the hell they gave you and NEVER back down.
    •  You're my hero, Cindy (4.00)
      Intentionally or not, you've disrupted the smooth script of the President's propaganda night, when all our other "leaders" sat in docile acquiesence to the assault on our democracy.

      Those who say you shouldn't have been there or shouldn't have worn the shirt cannot have thought that deeply about your loss, nor about freedom of speech in this country, nor about what it will take to take our country back.

      Those who consider this a "tactical error" can't have thought about how ineffective the triangulations and accomodations have proved in recent years (Kerry lost, media still in W's pocket, Alito on the Court).

      So thank you for showing how a real citizen continues to stand up to a rising tide of oppression.

      "Animals are my friends--and I don't eat my friends." (G.B. Shaw) Click to read the 'Union'

      by Hudson on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:30:13 AM PST

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    •  Hear, hear! (none)
      We stand with you!

      We march with you!

      We hurt with you!

      We WIN with you!

      (From the Sept 24th protest - may only display for a short time.)

      Link to album with above pic and 40+ other shots from the protest, including MSOC, RenaRF, the Orange Kossack Kontingent, Al Sharpton, Pastor Dan, Wingnut Row, Camp Casey, Iraqi Vets Against the War, and Viet Vets for Peace:

      Dem in VA's 9/24/05 Protest Pics

  •  Can't stop.. (4.00)
    Won't stop..
    •  Wow... (4.00)
      If you stand with Cindy, this is the only way to express our feelings.

      Can't stop.

      Won't stop.

      Cindy speaks for me.

      "A liberal is a man or a woman or a child who looks forward to a better day, a more tranquil night, and a bright, infinite future." ~Leonard Bernstein

      by outragedinSF on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:31:56 AM PST

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      •  Hey (4.00)
        That's not a bad idea for a Tee shirt!
        •  Speaking of T-Shirts... (4.00)
          Smurf This Poll---Turn it Blue!

          It's the MSNBC "Live Vote"

          Do you agree with the decision by Capitol Police to remove activist Cindy Sheehan from the gallery at the president's State of the Union speech because she was wearing a T-shirt with an antiwar slogan?

          •  how ironic (none)
            I used to have a T shirt that said "Roland" on it
          •  It's pale blue now (none)
            53 47 in favor of America at 6:20 EST

            "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, and the creed of slaves." William Pitt

            by plf515 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:21:53 AM PST

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          •  51 / 49 (4.00)
            I know this might seem naive, but can it really be that out of 8,000 + people who took this poll over half think it is okay for the government to suppress  the clothing that people wear at such events?  She wasn't even chanting or waving signs or anything.  Is wearing a T-shirt even considered "protest"?  

            I'm flummoxed, frankly.  So much for freedom in the U.S., when about half of us are willing to live shackled.  What's the exchange?  For what, exactly, are these folks willing to exchange their freedom?  

            May all beings be free from fear.

            by shakti on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:49:21 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  These polls are crap (none)

              And only illegitimately used by MSN, CNN, etc, to make bullcrap points WHEN THEY FAVOR BUSH/GOP GARBAGE.  They silently vanish if they display a favor towards the Dems and Blue-ness.  Plus, they are easily screwed with.  I can vote and vote and vote (and you can too) by merely deleting all your msn.com cookies and revisiting the site.  If I had the skillz I would whip up a script to auto-delete the appropriate cookies, visit the site and send the appropriate vote again and again.

              If nothing else, it removes a bogus point upon which the Old Media buttboys (and girls) can build pro-Bush spin.

              Reichstag fire is to Hitler as 9/11 is to Bush

              by praedor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:23:56 AM PST

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            •  It's protest for sure... (4.00)
              But it's not in any way disruptive to the event so it is unquestionably legitimate. Moreover, there were less intrusive ways to have neutralized her protest such as putting her jacket back on.

              Apparently, to MSNBC and the people who voted yes, the right to free speech only goes so far as is "appropriate." Sheesh. Fuck stupid Americans, and fuck these stupid polls that ask people their opinion about our fundamental rights, like their opinions mean dick. The very reason these rights were laid out is to protect the minority of people form having their rights trampled by ignorant assholes who get all riled up by fear-mongers. How hilarious that Bush talked about defending rights of minorities in other countries when he doesn't give a fuck about it in America.

            •  opposite reaction (none)
              I have the opposite reaction every time I see polls saying anything is half and half, or really amazed polls skew slightly in favor of blue.

              The reason is that we have a mind control machine of a media and a republican government that puts out one lie after another and uses religion to as the spoon full of sugar when anything gets slightly disagreeable.  And even with this exhaustively amazing effort to control the minds, they only get 50% of us.

              I think the good news is that once you see what is behind the curtain, you can never go back to believing in the great Oz.  They will need a new generation, which of course they are working on as we speak.

              Whereas I have so little hope most of the time and yet still fight, I try to remember that they are failing to control half of us even with giving it all they got.  Amazing.

          •  Newspeak (4.00)
            How is "2248 Killed in Iraq", or any other unpleasant fact about the war, "an antiwar slogan"? That one line shows the MSNBC Orwell policy.
  •  We're with you, Cindy (4.00)
    Hope the lawsuit gets traction and helps wake people up to what's happening to our country.

    The American taxpayers wouldn't object to free transportation for certain government officials if they'd go where we wish they would.

    by PatsBard on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:23:35 AM PST

    •  and speaking of getting traction (none)
      why isn't this the lead story on every network? "bush's stormtroopers mauling the grieving mother of a slain war hero!" should be the headline on every newspaper in the morning. we need a netroots campaign to demand coverage! if we can do it to deborah howell and chris matthews then we can do it now!

      "i was always dreaming of very powerful people, dictators and things like that." -- arnold schwarzenegger in "pumping iron"

      by hoodoo meat bucket on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:56:11 AM PST

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      •  we can give it traction (none)
        I think a lot of people got fired up during the filibuster project

        we can do the same thing with this...insist it gets covered by the media...and insist our dear leaders look into it

        •  the same thing that happened to cindy (4.00)
          today happened to my dad when bush came to santa monica a couple of years ago. he was wearing an anti-bush shirt and the cops cussed at him and called him a "fucking commie"(real fucking current!) and grabbed him violently and were about to arrest him until he told them he was a city council candidate and they chilled real fast! fucking fascists! i want them to pay, and hopefully cindy sheehan is a big enough name to shine a spotlight on this nazi shit, but we have to make it happen. LET'S MAKE SOME FUCKING NOISE!!!

          "i was always dreaming of very powerful people, dictators and things like that." -- arnold schwarzenegger in "pumping iron"

          by hoodoo meat bucket on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:10:36 AM PST

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    •  Do you have a legal defense fund? (4.00)
      It's going to cost money to sue the government.  Please let us know where to contribute.

      I can't believe Americans can acquiesce in the conversion of our democracy into a corporate police state.  Shame on us.

      -4.50, -5.85 Lies are the new Truth.

      by Dallasdoc on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:27:06 AM PST

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    •  You shoulda waited, Cindy (none)
      If you had taken off your hoodie in the MIDDLE of the speech, the Secret Service would have had to make a choice of hauling you away and making a noticeable ruckus or leaving you alone, in which case one of the network cameras might have gotten a good honey shot.  Either way would have been great publicity.  When will we get our timing right?! Better luck next time.  

      -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

      by goldberry on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:40:04 AM PST

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      •  better luck next time? (4.00)
        jeeze, she got arrested and roughed up because they didn't want her to be there.

        You're talking like she chose the time and place of her arrest.  That's silly.

        And making a ruckus at SOTU would NOT garner any sympathy from the public.  I'ld say intentionally causing a ruckus in the middle of the SOTU would be a big mistake.  In fact, the right-wing is desperate now to put that meme in the news, that she was disruptive.  She was not.

        When someone slaps your left cheek and you fight back, nobody has any sympathy for you anymore.

        I bet Casey would be very proud of his mother.  If my baby was in the ground, I wouldn't fear being arrested, not one bit.  God Bless you Cindy.

        p.s. Your comment pisses me off.

        In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

        by yet another liberal on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:54:28 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I think what the poster is saying (3.00)
          Is that is she'd taken her jacket off quetly in the middle of the address that the security forces would have had the choice of creating the ruckus.  She wouldn't have been the rabble-rouser.

          Torture, spying on citizens, war on false pretenses. We're one long line for toilet paper away from becoming the USSR.

          by nightsweat on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:28:07 AM PST

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        •  Don't get your knickers in a twist (none)
          First of all, I do not believe for one second that Cindy Sheehan didn't know that a T-shirt like hers is verboten in any venue where the president is speaking.  We've heard and seen too many cases of protesters, just exercising their 1st amendment rights, getting hauled off to jail over T-shirts.  Three of them in Colorado got kicked out of a speech just for having the wrong bumper sticker.  
          She can say she didn't know.  I can choose not to believe her.  I like Cindy.  I like her cause.  I just don't believe this excuse.  
          Second, I see nothing wrong with her taking her jacket off and showing her T-shirt during the speech.  If the Bushies didn't like it, it would have made THEM look bad, not Cindy.  A quiet attention getting protest is tasteful but to the point and she has a right to do it and remind Bush of who she is.  
          Third, nothing ventured, nothing gained.  Getting arrested for protesting is something that many people throughout the world have had to endure.  While it is regrettable that the bouncer was rough, this is a price we sometimes have to pay for our freedom.  Quit wringing your hands about how mean they were to Cindy and get used to it.  
          Some countries have Death Squads to deal with their Cindys.  The Bushies would too if they felt they could get away with it.  These people have no conscience and whining about why they didn't behave like Kindergarten teachers isn't being realistic.  Wake up and smell the coffee.  

          -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

          by goldberry on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:02:19 AM PST

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          •  what I find inconsistent in this argument (none)
            Is that if she knew the T-shirt would get her arrested and/or ejected, then why would she have taken it off too early?

            My guess is that she wanted to do as you say, so that the TV cameras would show her shirt, but she messed up and didn't realize that it would provide the excuse for her to be preempted.

            But either way, it made big news.  I don't think I'm the one hand wringing here.

            In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

            by yet another liberal on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:43:14 AM PST

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            •  I dunno why she went early (none)
              Maybe she figured she was going to get thrown out anyway so she did it early.  
              Alls I'm saying is that if she'd held out until about halfway through, the whole thing would have come off better for her.  The ruckus would have attracted the cameras, the Dems would have cheered and Bush would have looked stoopid.  

              -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

              by goldberry on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:26:02 AM PST

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      •  re (none)
        Indeed.  Cindy--I disagree with your arrest but I don't believe for a second that you walked in there not expecting trouble.

        That said..why didn't you get your money's worth and disrupt the speech?

    •  First Amendment (none)
      Wish we had a first amendment here in the UK.

      The evil bastard Bliar's government were defeated last night in the House of Commons in their attempt to restrict freedom of speech further.

      We are constantly fighting to retain our freedom to speak. Yesterday I sent an email to Bliar accusing him of murder with the blood of our hundredth casualty in Iraq upon his hands.

      I sent the email with my own address and signed it. In these small ways we must fight for our right to criticize the criminals who are stealing our nations.

      Go Cindy, there are plenty of people over here in the UK firmly standing with you.

      Best Wishes

      Malcolm

      Men are from Mars, Women from Venus and Bush from Ur-anus!!

      by malc19ken on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:43:11 AM PST

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  •  Guard should be fired (3.92)
    Cindy that guard who rough-housed you should be fired! We need to start a petition to fire Mike Weight!

    As if he didn't know who you were. That was disgusting the way you were treated.

    You had every right to be there and wear anything you want.

    Stay strong we only have love for you!

    "I got a letter from the Republican Party the other day. I wrote back, 'Go fuck yourself.'" - Bette Midler (Rolling Stone, 9/18/2005)

    by GregNYC on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:23:48 AM PST

  •  I stand with you, Cindy! (4.00)
    I love what you've been doing and I'm really ashamed of what this country has become.  Keep up the good fight.  
    •  They let a dog stay (4.00)
      They let a german shepherd sit through the State of the Union... But not the mother of a soldier who died in Iraq:

      http://abcnews.go.com/...

      Rex, a 5-year-old German shepherd, fit in with the other Iraq war veterans who were guests of Republicans and Democrats.

      Rex sniffed out bombs in Iraq. He's been the subject of congressional legislation. He's famous, and Wednesday night he became one of Mrs. Bush's guests at the State of the Union speech.

      Grotesque.

      "Animals are my friends--and I don't eat my friends." (G.B. Shaw) Click to read the 'Union'

      by Hudson on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:53:28 AM PST

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      •  yep. saw the dog. pretty fucking ironic. (none)
      •  hmmm...why does that sound familiar (4.00)
        Oh, right--Caligula putting his horse in the Senate. I know, in general, Caligula comparisons are about as cliche and over-the-top as Hitler/Nazi comparisons. And I've got a bleeding heart when it comes to pets, I think service dogs of all types are pretty darn cool.

        But it says something when a dog can sit through SOTU and the mother of a killed serviceman is hauled away. In fact, it says the exact same thing that Caligula was trying to say to his senate when he put his horse in (take it away wikipedia):

        this could have been a political statement indicating that he felt his horse was as well qualified for the position as any of the incumbents

        The whole SOTU has become a joke. Theater, of the "Make it gay!" (The Producers) type--take out anything sad, take out any meaning. Just make it cute and fun. What's more cute than puppies, right?

      •  I'm pretty sure (none)
        the dog didn't start barking or trying to mark his turf. If you think Cindy didn't know what she was doing you may not be qualified to operate a keyboard. If you don't think the guards were attuned to the potential goings on, then you may not have been paying attention to the fact that she has dissed the admin at every opportunity, so it would be silly not to expect such activity at the SOTU.
        So we have, acknowledged and intentional disrupter/protester, national spotlight, staff focused on making sure no protesting occurred. Why wasn't she out banging pots? Why didn't she request time in the rebuttal slot to speak her mind? I like the fact that she does not hide behind wishy washy words. I hope she runs for Feinstein's seat. She's a fresh voice. But anybody with a brain knew that if she peeped she was going to be evicted. The reason the "unfurling" story stuck is because it was believable coming from her. We wouldn't have been surprised, any many here would have applauded. They kicked out everybody they saw with a message t-shirt. Clinton did the same thing, or rather, the Capitol Police or Secret Service did. Every Preidednt does and will do. The same thing would have been done if JFKerry had won the election.  

        Ban Intolerance Now!

        by brahma on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:04:52 AM PST

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  •  Bush needs a reminder... (4.00)
    This is OUR country too. He and his followers don't own it, although they might think they do. You have every right to wear a t-shirt in a quiet protest, and I'm sorry you had to go through what you did.

    There's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated...insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason.-NoFx

    by SairaLV on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:24:46 AM PST

  •  Where do I get a shirt like yours? (4.00)
    I support the troops, I support the mothers, I support your actions, and I support free speech.  Thanks for standing up once again Cindy, you do us all proud.
  •  May the cats be with you (4.00)
    and watch all over your endeavors.

    Economic Left/Right: -8.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.03 Proud supporter of President Pumpkin, an orange tabby

    by UCSBClassics53 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:27:55 AM PST

  •  I am proud of you Cindy! (4.00)
    You have singlehandedly upstaged the worst President ever once more.

    Since you did not quite plan it, it was nothing less than an act from God.

    Hang in there, I'll pray for you (and I am an atheist).

    Dailykos.com; an oasis of truth. -1.75 -7.23

    by Shockwave on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:29:38 AM PST

  •  Do Woolsey, Lee and Conyers know about this? (4.00)
    I'm sure that the White House is going to get a "what the hell is going on here?" letter sometime in the next few weeks.

    Hopefully Conyers will let us know his take on this tomorrow.

    God bless you, Cindy.

    Jack Murtha is no coward--here's a real coward.

    by Christian Dem in NC on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:30:38 AM PST

  •  I'm designing a T Shirt now (4.00)
    ...as are millions of people I'm sure

    if you go to www.Cafepress.com and surf around...they have a political section with anti-bush T-shirts, bumperstickers, etc

    must be zillions of sites with anti-Bush stuff, but that's the one I'm familiar with

  •  Maybe this is too personal... (4.00)
    but Cindy Sheehan's bruises photographed and blown up in scale would be some of the most powerful and meaningful political art in my memory.

    it may be too personal, or out of line. but if you think it wise, if not only for legal reasons...

    i would photograph your bruises if i were you.

    they didn't even give you a chance to zip it up.

    this is the end for them. this must be a rallying call to all americans about what bush stands for on our civil liberties.

    all these bastards had to do was ask. isn't that just plain honest fucking DOWN HOME COURTESY?!!?

    they wouldn't know the first thing about it.

    this is a sad day for america. but are we going to just sit by and watch it happen?

    not cindy. never her.

    she can say that.

    can we?

    •  visit a Doctor (4.00)
      he'd make a nice expert witness
    •  Ironic (4.00)
      Coretta Scott King dies and so does our right to peaceful, non-violent dissent?
    •  Definitely photo the bruises (4.00)
      I'm sure you've already been advised to do that.

      The police took photos of the bruises my husband caused.  They said we had to make sure to take photos of the bruses close up, and then also take pictures of yourself - full view of body with bruises visible.  This is so that it proves it was your arm, so a lawyer can't throw the pictures out because it can't be proven that it was really you.  So take a full series of pictures, and also make sure the date is validated, or that someone vouches for the fact that they took the pictures.

      Take pictures today, and take them for the next few days to document.  Sometimes the full injury in bruises doesn't really become visible for a day or two.

      All that being said, and the fact that the police documented my injuries (done with a car by my soon to be ex, by the way) and the state pressed charges, it ended up making no difference at all.  The police officers did their job, but the municipal prosecutor barely fought my case, didn't even have a file folder with him in court (not one paper or piece of documentation) and in the end, the municipal judge let my ex walk away from it.

      He found him not guilty.  Said he seemed like a nice enough guy.  Said he was "heedless" and "negligent" but not "reckless."  Finally he said that "intent" could not be proven, so ... not guilty.  My ex jumped up from the table with a smile and left the courtroom.

      So I'm not sure I have any faith in our legal system anymore.  But regardless, make sure you take the pictures, carefully.

      On Bush: "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." --(borrowed from) Churchill

      by joanneleon on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:21:43 AM PST

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  •  If it's any consolation. (none)
    The fact that they reacted so badly brings much more attention to your cause.

    Original reports were that you were wildly protesting, but pictures or you (and your subtle t-shirt) being escorted out without resistance, are now out on the blogs. Because of their brutishness, your arrest stepped all over the speech.  Well done!!

    Keep your chin up, you threaten them, so they have to come at ya. (and if I may suggest, don't kiss any latin american dictators this week, just makes their job easier)

    •  urban, i'm pirating your comment (4.00)
      to post this delicious little link to the nytimes today!

      here is a teaser of the article...enjoy!

      The Scene
      Antiwar Protester Arrested Before Speech, but Her Presence Looms Large

      By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and ANNE KORNBLUT
      Published: February 1, 2006

      WASHINGTON, Jan. 31--To spotlight his priorities, President Bush invited ordinary people -- a teacher, a physicist, an Afghan politician, the family of a fallen soldier -- to the State of the Union address on Tuesday. But a Democratic congresswoman turned the tables on Mr. Bush by inviting a guest of her own: Cindy Sheehan, the antiwar protester who has dogged Mr. Bush from his Texas ranch to the White House.

      Ms. Sheehan's presence loomed large in the House chamber, though she was not there. Capitol Police arrested her before the speech began, ejecting her from the gallery after they discovered her wearing an antiwar T-shirt. A police spokeswoman said Ms. Sheehan was charged with unlawful conduct, a misdemeanor.

      The episode sent the Capitol into a tizzy, and the congresswoman who invited Ms. Sheehan, Representative Lynn Woolsey of California, insisted she was not trying to make Mr. Bush uncomfortable. "I didn't see this as a political statement at all," Ms. Woolsey said.

      and CINDY!! here is the GOOD news!  NYT credits that reuters photographer!

      Photographs by Jason Reed/Reuters

      The antiwar protester Cindy Sheehan, at left, whose son was killed serving as a serviceman in Iraq, talked with security personnel at the House chamber after arriving yesterday for the State of the Union address. At right, she was detained by security and refused entry to the chamber.

      whoo hooo HOOOOOOO!!!!

      •  Misrepresenting the facts in NYT (4.00)
        Figures on the sidelines gave a look at the nation's sharp divide over Iraq. Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a fallen soldier whose summertime vigil near Bush's Texas ranch reinvigorated the anti-war movement, was arrested and escorted from the visitors section of the House gallery after causing a disruption just before the president spoke.

        This "causing a disruption" should be corrected. Wearing a T-shirt is a passive demonstration. It was the Capitol police who caused the disruption.

        This above all: to thine own self be true,... Thou canst not then be false to any man.-WS

        by Agathena on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:45:50 AM PST

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        •  The link (none)
          Bush Paints Democrats As Defeatist on Iraq

            By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
          Published: February 1, 2006

          This above all: to thine own self be true,... Thou canst not then be false to any man.-WS

          by Agathena on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:48:03 AM PST

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        •  pretty typical (none)
          Why read the NYT?  This is pretty typical for them.  

          Just like all those "violent protests" where the 'violence' is the police attacking the protestors.

          Don't give the NYT your money.  And reading them is dangerous to your mental health, as you have to check virtually every phrase or else you are quickly misled.


          "Everyone should go back to Africa, especially black people." -- Richard Pryor

          by COBear on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:40:27 AM PST

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        •  NYT reported it (none)
          as a disruption because that's what some over eager police said to them when Cindy was brought downstairs and they were waiting for a squad car to come take her away.  It seems that the police who said that to the press weren't directly involved in pulling her out of the gallery but nonetheless, because some authority figure said that was what happened, when he really didn't know what happened, that's what got reported and printed.

          So how do we go about correcting the record?

      •  Ooh, aren't they bitchy (none)
        Are those NYT reporters laying it on a bit thick, or is it just me. . .?  

        On Tuesday, Mr. Bush did just that, with a compelling counterpoint to Ms. Sheehan: the parents and widow of Dan Clay, a 27-year-old Marine staff sergeant who was among 10 soldiers killed in Falluja when a roadside bomb exploded Dec. 1. When Mr. Bush read aloud from a letter Sergeant Clay had written before his death -- "I faced death with the secure knowledge that you would not have to," the sergeant had written -- the soldier's mother gently put her hand over her heart.  

        The invited guests also included several soldiers, among them a wounded Air Force technical sergeant, Jamie Dana, who later adopted Rex, her bomb-sniffing dog. Rex was on the guest list, too, and made a well-behaved appearance in the chamber.

        implying, in other words, that Rex the dog was well-behaved as opposed to Ms. Sheehan, who misbehaved and had to be removed from the chamber.  

        Does that strike anyone else as the subtext underlying those two paragraphs?  

        Nasssty and uncalled for, if you ask me.  

         

        Reality addict - can't get enough of seeing it all clearly

        by writeout on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:52:01 PM PST

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  •  U need to go on TV tomorrow.... (none)
    because everyone in the media is getting the stroy from the white house and they are getting it WRONG....even jane harmon, a democrat, had it wrong when she stated oin larry king that you were removed (she thought) because you had tried to unfurl a protest banner.

    if the democrats cant get it right then how is the rest of the country going to <sigh>

    "if all the world's a stage, who is sitting in the audience?"

    by KnotIookin on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:34:06 AM PST

  •  cool site! (4.00)
    I didn't find your shirt there
    ...maybe I didn't look hard enough

    http://www.veteransforpeace.org/

    •  Just give 'em a week (none)
      They had to have guessed last night that Cindy had just kicked off the mother of all fund raisers for them, so to speak.

      I myself am desperate for at least three shirts.  I work in DC and jog on the mall every work day.  

      That the toll will come to be outdated just makes the statement more eloquent to those who notice that the question on the shirt still goes unanswered.

      "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

      by KateCrashes on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:53:29 AM PST

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  •  This is America Dammit! (4.00)
    We Can Do Better

    .

    Hey!.. That actually works!

    .

    Thanks Cindy its always scary isn't it? Keep up the good work, and thank you for meeting with Chavez, we need alternatives.

    "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

    by buhdydharma on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:36:23 AM PST

    •  Apparently (none)
      Not.

      This is only the most egregious example of the fascist state at work.

      America has not been able to do better for 5 years and, after Alito when there were 42 brave people who voted against his confirmation that were too scared to vote against cloture, the "not doing better" will continue.

      At what point of not being able to do better, will you stop saying it?

      Just wondering, because so far, saying is all, doing is nothing.

      Except a very few people with courage, like Cindy

      The Number of the Beast 72-25

      by Deep Dark on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:36:07 AM PST

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      •  Whew (none)
        Well put, I would just remind you that that is the new Dem slogan for the FUTURE.

        And as far as I know I have been arrested more times than Cindy, Cindys' courage is a communicable disease, catch it.

        And please remember there are people at this site who have been fighting the good fight for a loooong time before Cindy spoke up so courageously

        "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

        by buhdydharma on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:11:29 AM PST

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        •  Yup (none)
          I completely agree and I honour your efforts. As a furriner buried in the deep south, there's almost notjing I can do nwhich drives me nuts.

          I suppose the point I was making is, "by their fruits ye shall know them".

          Bush is the fruit, in every possible way. He didn't arise spontaneously, the way had been prepared for him.

          Th idea that "we can do better is, itself, embedded in American exceptionalism. It says that the US is in some way inherently better than Zimbabwe. Yet both countries have produce presidents that are dangerously unhinged and prepared to act on it in proportion to their power.

          We would easily call Zimbabwe a failed state, in what essential way is the US any different?

          The Number of the Beast 72-25

          by Deep Dark on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:23:02 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  And (none)
            the US will not be able to progress beyond that failure until it is acknowledged, until it is dealt with.

            "We camn do better" slides over the failure, slides past the responsibility. It says, "we are not really like that".

            I'm sure John Wayne Gacey would have said the same. But would you have trusted him to "do better" just because he said he could, given the evidence?

            The Number of the Beast 72-25

            by Deep Dark on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:25:15 PM PST

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            •  When I first heard it I said about the same (none)
              Well...DUH, we can always do better. And anybody who  knows American history really knows.

              My original post was the first time I had used it like that and realized its also a very good attack, thus the 'Hey it works' comment.

              Try it its fun

              Spying on our own citizens

              We can do better

              Torture

              We can do better

              George Bush

              We can do better

              "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

              by buhdydharma on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:20:17 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

  •  Thank you Cindy (4.00)
    Keep up the good fight, we're all here with you, doing what we can.

    My idiot congressman Jerry Weller and his pals can wave purple fingers in SUPPORT OF THE IRAQ WAR at a SOTU, and you can't sit quietly wearing a Tee Shirt??!! This IS NOT America. We should all be crying.

    •  Kankakee... (none)
      ...this is WAY off subject, but say hi to Momence for me. My grandmother lived there in the 50s and 60s and my brother and I used to sell homemade popcorn all up and down the parade route at the Gladiolus Festival (all 3 days in early August!). I know it's changed a lot since then, but it holds magical memories for me. Thanks. Ahhh--I hear the Diary Police approaching...

      "...and the ones that are lucky ones come home on the day after tomorrow..." -- Tom Waits

      by Newton Snookers on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:51:10 AM PST

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    •  Those purple fingers creep me out (none)
      I find this a very bizarre symbol to rally around. The purple finger ... is a stain ... is a mark ... required to participate.

      How would Americans feel about having their fingers stained with ink when they visit the polls? It is actually a sign of lack of freedom. That the populace is not trusted enough to go without this mark of transaction.

      Many people would get extremely upset just about the messiness and lack of fashion co-ordination that comes from being stained - let alone any freedom or privacy implications.

      But to have wealthy Republicans emulating a system that exists because of poverty and anarchy is just icing on the cake.

  •  Wow! (4.00)
    That's a great story. Please file a lawsuit!
  •  I assume there were plenty of witnesses too (4.00)
    did your friends see all this?
  •  This is how it starts! (4.00)
    "I was just following orders..."

    They took this brave hero, how long will it be before they come for you?

    The time for words is over, it's time to fight!

    Parties divide, movements unite.

    by Gegner on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:39:10 AM PST

  •  Bring. Them. Home. Now. (4.00)

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

    by ilona on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:40:30 AM PST

  •  Not to nitpick (3.00)
    There is a photo of you with your coat off going to your seat.  That doesn't jive with your story.

    I support what you do in your son's memory.

    Fight the good fight.

    GO SEAHAWKS!! And they'll cover the spread.

    by MTmofo on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:41:10 AM PST

  •  Meanwhile CNN (4.00)
    Posts this:

    An early report from a senior House official indicated that Sheehan was arrested for unfurling an anti-war banner, but that was later found not to be the case.

    I sent them a letter asking to identify the official who spun the story enough to run through the network TV/NPR radio coverage. Maybe add a slander charge to your suit?
    •  as we type, cnn is REPLAYING (4.00)
      their erroneous report - stating that the capitol police said that she was told to cover the shirt and did not - and they were "afraid" she would "do something" during the speech.

      the earlier reports on cnn had the reporter quoting the police as saying the were "looking for sheehan" because they "knew" she was going to be there and "were afraid" that she would "do something".

      cindy, you have one major lawsuit here!  and since the clinton/lewensky fiasco set precedent about civil suits and sitting (p)residents - you should include bush in the suit.  then, when he is deposed in the civil suit, you can ask him under oath for what noble cause!  (i am NOT kidding here, btw!)

      we also need to flood cnn about their sloppy, inaccurate reporting and ask them where they got that "shot" of the "white banner" they showed in the gallery!

      •  Be very afraid of Cindy Sheehan (4.00)
        "and they were "afraid" she would "do something" during the speech."

        I know, everytime I see Cindy she has me shaking in my boots.  What did they think she would do?  They were terrified she would stand up during his speech and ask what nobel cause her son died for?  They screwed up by arresting you Cindy.  

        The Russerts, Couric's and Matthew's of the world will spin this story and try to justify the arrest.  
        But what they all missed last night was at the beginning of Bush's speech, he honored Coretta Scott-King and acknowledged her passing.  He was honoring a person who spent most of her life fighting for everyones civil liberties. How ironic.

        I too hate what has happened to our country.  Bush and his cabal have succeeded in turning many of our fellow Americans into hate mongers.  They delight in the fact that they have created fear and distrust with their fellow countrymen.  They have done this intentionally because it keeps the focus off of them robbing our treasury.  

        •  fearful (4.00)
          Oohhhh. Cindy is so frightening!!!

          Agreed, pmob5977.

          That's really ironic that she's pre-emptively arrested for her quiet protest right before Bush honored Mrs. King for her life of protesting injustice and fighting for civil liberties.

          The government has created a climate so fearful that those journalists don't even bother looking for the truth to report, they just go with whatever press release given by the Republicans and defend it with glee. Crazy.

          Never give up, Cindy. Thank you for your service to America and the world.

          People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people.   R is for Revolution

        •  How ironic (4.00)
          These same SOBs hid behind the 1st Amendment so they wouldn't have to testify and kept their mouths shut until after the 2004 elections, but they don't give a damned about the 1st Amendment rights of citizens to free speech (political speech even!), peaceable assembly, and petitioning the government for grievances.
      •  Pacifica got it right the first time (none)
        This should be pointed out to CNN, AP, etc.
        I just wrote CNN a letter last weekend after they reported that Kerry had flown home from a luxury resort in Switzerland (never mentioning that the "luxury resort" was the World Economic Forum, attended and addressed by US repubs (McCain and Condi Rice) and Dems and world leaders).  
        I ended it with this sentence:
        "In future, if a "news" story comes from CNN, I will consider the source, and treat it as Russian citizens in the 1960's treated "news" stories from Pravda."

        I'll write CNN again today, and tell them I'm glad I followed my own advice and believed Pacifica's accurate reporting.

        Cindy, we'll get our country back!

        •  Not enough bad things (4.00)
          can be said about today's CNN. They are a complete horror.

          From their hiring of reactionary hatemongers like Glen Beck and hypocritical windbags like Bill Bennett, to their classic lineup of Republican talking point repeaters like Candy Crowley and Bill Schneider.

          Schneider I remember for such gems as "Al Qaeda wants Bush to lose the election". Paula Zahn continues the tradition last nite: "You've got a lot of people out there saying ... if you vote for a Democrat, that basically you want to be bombed".  Not to mention the Beard's interview with Howard Dean where he blathers incoherently about "Abramoff-related groups".

          And these are examples just off the top of my head.

          "My question for today is: Why are contemporary Republicans so full of shit?" ~ Alec Baldwin

          by assyrian64 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:07:34 AM PST

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  •  It was only the truth. (4.00)
    The statement was a fact and the question a sincere one.  This administration likes to rename and relabel to create their own "fantasy reality" I've noticed that if someone objects to what is being done, they are like the terrorists or unpatriotic.  The fact that anyone was arrested for wearing this shirt terrorizes me.  We all should obtain one and march on Washington! This is the land of the free and the home of the brave..it was...before Bush.

    Those who sleep and dream do not know that they can wake up.

    by Gram E on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:43:16 AM PST

  •  At what point (1.95)
    do you think that you are ultimately hurting the anti-war movement?
    •  I think this is helping a LOT (3.90)
      sucks attention away from Bush

      it got major media mentioning the problems with the war

    •  I agree with RR, this is good (4.00)
      it takes attention from Bush and puts it on everything that wrong with the war and the loss of our right to free speech.

      I am very afraid however, that the media will now use the pictures of Ms. Sheehan with Chavez to give this a very negative spin :-(

      Fox has already done it before yesterday.

    •  wtf? that is the rudest and (3.22)
      most asinine question i've read in a LONG time!

      jerk!

      •  Intolerance (2.18)
        Criticize Cindy in a respectful (especially for me) manner on DKos and you are now guaranteed to have intolerance thrown in your face.
        •  Sam, reread your question (4.00)
          It appears to assume that Cindy is hurting, or at some point will hurt, the anti-war movement.  That's obviously not her intent.

          You know full well that there are those opposed to the anti-war cause who will spin anything Ms Sheehan does in the way most hurtful to that cause.  If she speaks out, she'll be accused of being a publicity hound.  If she's silent, they'll say she's abandoned the movement because it's too radical, or too ineffectual, or ... whatever talking point Karl Rove wants aired.  And if she disappears altogether, they'll just target the next person who speaks out in exactly the same way.

          The issue isn't Cindy Sheehan; it's the war.  You know this.  Turning the discussion to "Cindy Sheehan: how much is she hurting the anti-war movement?" is the Republican frame that steers attention away from that issue.  I'll assume you didn't intend that, but it could be taken that you did.

    •  She remains the original symbol (none)
      . . . of Bush's descent into public opinion poll weakness, with regards to justifying the costs of this "global war on terror".  She always will be that human symbol from a protest standpoint, of course.

      Today's arrest was apparently not planned or expected.  Coincidentally, current polls show both his personal integrity and Iraqi operation as being viewed in a rather dim light within the US.  I would guess that the historically associated symbolism of Cindy - regardless of our feelings concerning her Chavez images or other recent events that might have muddied her core message as a Mom demanding clear answers and accountability from GWB - could only add to questioning his sincerity in the SOTU.

    •  Maybe when she's sucumb to the smear tactics and (4.00)
      is cowed into silence?
    •  At What Point Are YOU Helping? (4.00)
      Just curious.
    •  Don't Let Past Criticism Effect This Instance (4.00)
      I understand how some might disagree with some of Cindy's behavior since last summer. I personally do not have a problem with it.  I have a great deal of tolerance for the way anyone deals with grief. If Cindy tried to moon Bush during the State Of The Union, I'm cool with it. I think most people recognize her situation and give her leeway. It's only the O'Reilly followers, feeling that Cindy threatens their agenda, who are turned off by what she does. Fuck'em. We don't need 'em.  Maybe I'm talking as a parent of a son and someone who has Sicilian blood. It's like the "this I will not forgive" scene from the Godfather. That motherfucking upper class twerp parading as a cowboy in the White House is getting off easy.

      Having said that, let's realize that Cindy didn't unfurl a banner. She didn't try to disrupt the speech. She didn't try to moon the President. She was wearing a shirt. A shirt! The way she was treated goes beyond the disrespect she was shown last summer.  If she didn't have all the baggage that you are reacting to, I'm thinking that you would be outraged that the mother of son who sacrificed his life would be treated like this for wearing a shirt. A shirt for chrissakes.

       

    •  Sam, here's why you're wrong about this one (4.00)
      If Cindy was hurting the anti-war movement, then why were they so worried about her being at the SOTU?

      Doesn't it seem like they didn't want her to be there, at all?

      Doesn't it seem like they they were trying to find some reason, any reason to arrest her?

      Why is CNN lying about unfurling a banner?

      Why is she referred to as an "anti-war activist" like it's a job title?

      Why do they say she was wearing a T-shirt with an "anti-war slogan" on it?  (as if a number is a 'slogan').

      My point is this: The establishment IS VERY WORRIED ABOUT CINDY SHEEHAN.  So much so, they feel the need to smear her at every turn, even outright lies.

      Just yesterday while MSOC was on right-wing hate radio, Gibson had to ask her about CINDY SHEEHAN.  Why?

      They know the score.  Cindy Sheehan has done more damage to these fuckers' war machine than any of us.  It is no joke.

      She is NOT and has NOT hurt the anti-war movement.  That is the spin.

      In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

      by yet another liberal on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:07:47 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  The same way 4 bystanders at Kent State? n/t (4.00)
      The police have taken it upon themselves (again; like in the '60s) to abuse people (hurt them; like dislocate/injure shoulder sockets) that will face no jail time for their "crime."  The police have used the terror theme to Kill and Abuse.  They have degenerated to trigger happy killers who kill first and apologize later.  They are dangerous and they are armed.

      American Engineer :== loser!

      by jnmorgan on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:33:15 AM PST

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    •  i agree (2.83)
      as if she didn't go in there, wearing an anti-war t-shirt to what i'm sure is a very formal affair, without her eyes open to the possibility of her immediate ejection.

      as if the police officers acted wrongly by removing her, when they would have a real problem on their hands if she stood up during the speech to shout down the president.

      lot of blinders on in here.

      I believe in saving money. I believe in having a house. I believe in keeping things clean. I believe in exercising. www.walken2008.com

      by The Exalted on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:42:21 AM PST

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      •  This arguement would have some weight (4.00)
        1. If there were a printed dress code. Which obviously there was not since she was already vetted at the security desk.

        2. People can be arrested because "they might do something" is actually a crime.

        The blinders are on !@$#%###, but they are not on Cindy.  Even if the T-shirt were intentional the proper response by the SS agent was "Ms. Sheehan, could I ask you to please cover the T-Shirt in respect of the Offices, the Institutions, and the Event.  You will be shown on TV and I ask you to accept that as your official protest.  Your presense is enough to state your cause."

        Does that work?

        American Engineer :== loser!

        by jnmorgan on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:53:57 AM PST

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        •  no (2.50)
          she could again take off her jacket during the speech

          and what do you mean "even if it was intentional"?

          she mistakenly put on the t-shirt?

          and, one last thing, i agree with your comment about the arrest. she should have been removed, not arrested.

          I believe in saving money. I believe in having a house. I believe in keeping things clean. I believe in exercising. www.walken2008.com

          by The Exalted on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:20:59 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Excuse me (none)
            She should not have been removed at all until she DID something that provoked the removal.  Not simply wearing a t-shirt.

            By asking her to cover the T-shirt the polizie could have determined her intent (clever huh?) and even provoked a confrontation that would have been an excuse for eviction if she were intent on a demonstration.

            Cindy, I am sure would have said something like "I'm sorry, I didn't realize I had it on.  Of course I'll show proper respect"

            Still "what might happen" is NOT A FUCKING CRIME, except in Bush land; and then only if it's unfavorable to Der Fuhrer.

            American Engineer :== loser!

            by jnmorgan on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:39:20 AM PST

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            •  relax (none)
              provoking a confrontation is exactly what they did not want during the SOTU.

              and, by wearing that shirt, is likely what Ms. Sheehan intended.

              as I said, she should not have been arrested (though apparently what she did is now a crime under the PATRIOT act), but the police were perfectly in their power to remove her.

              I believe in saving money. I believe in having a house. I believe in keeping things clean. I believe in exercising. www.walken2008.com

              by The Exalted on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:42:35 AM PST

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          •  Before you spout off (4.00)
            your omniscient version of what she was intending, is it too much to ask that you actually read her version of the events?

            She says she was already wearing the t-shirt when she decided at the last moment to go to the SOTU after all, and that she took the jacket off because after climbing a lot of stairs she was too hot.

            Both of those statements sound entirely reasonable to me. (Oh, and without making any assumptions about Cindy in particular, there are reasons a woman of a certain age can find herself feeling unbearably hot, even without stairs. I bet you're not a woman who has gone through menopause, so perhaps you have some excuse for not thinking of that.)

            Now, if you had decided beforehand that whatever she said you were going to call her a liar, then... well, if that's your attitude, I just think you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

            But if you're not that kind of person, perhaps you might want to rethink your intransigence.

            Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is. - TNH

            by Canadian Reader on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:30:01 AM PST

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            •  oh give me a f'ing break here (1.00)
              she wore the anti-war shirt to the SOTU on purpose

              occams razor?

              I believe in saving money. I believe in having a house. I believe in keeping things clean. I believe in exercising. www.walken2008.com

              by The Exalted on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:19:35 AM PST

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              •  Occam's razor... (4.00)
                I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.

                It doesn't, for instance, stretch to calling someone a liar because what they say doesn't fit your preconceptions. Yes, it's a lot easier for you not to bother to consider that they might be telling the truth. But Occam's razor isn't about saving you the trouble of re-examining your prejudices.

                Oh, and a sneer is not a refutation. Sorry.

                Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is. - TNH

                by Canadian Reader on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:43:45 AM PST

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        •  From the Floor Manual for the 109th Congress: (none)
          "Dress Code: Members should dress appropriately, which traditionally means male Members should
          wear a coat and tie and female Members should wear business attire. Members should not wear
          overcoats or hats on the Floor while the House is in session. Eating, drinking, and smoking are not
          permitted. The use of personal electronic equipment, including cellular telephones and personal
          computers, is also prohibited on the Floor of the House (clause 5 of Rule XVII)."

          I'm not saying it's the same for the SOTU, necessarily, but it does give you an idea as to printed dress code.

          Link

          the good we secure for ourselves is precarious and uncertain until it is secured for all of us and incorporated into our common life. -jane addams

          by bsmcneil on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:03:23 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  MEMBERS (none)
            That is for MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.
            I have been in the house and/or senate galleries
            two or three times on visits to Washington DC and I was in VACATION CLOTHES.  

            They don't expect visitors sitting in the gallery to wear a coat and tie, etc.

            •  you visiting congress (none)
              roughly the same as a joint session with the President of the United States, Supreme Court and other dignataries (sp).  Yes.  Roughly the same.  As I said, the rules weren't the same for SOTU - but could give some insight into appropriate attire (for Cindy Sheehan or random visitors).

              the good we secure for ourselves is precarious and uncertain until it is secured for all of us and incorporated into our common life. -jane addams

              by bsmcneil on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:43:40 PM PST

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      •  So, in other words (4.00)
        She was preemptively arrested and detained because of what they thought she might do.

        Well, see, that just proves my point.  They arrested her because they did not want her there, period.

        In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

        by yet another liberal on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:12:31 AM PST

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      •  Did anyone eject (4.00)
        Cheney who wore that casual ski cap, furry hooded parka and boots at a very formal and serious affair at Auschwitz?

        http://www.dailypepper.com/...

        Would it be possible for someone in elegant dress to stand up during the speech to shout down the president?

        I do understand they'd rather drag her out before the cameras started rolling, an easier way out. That doesn't make it right.

      •  What a ridiculous argument (4.00)
        Your first point undercuts every meaningful protest ever. You surely think you believe in the first amendment but, apparently in practice you don't think it should carry much weight. In fact it's people's own fault when they get thrown out for expressing their view when they should have known their view would likely not be welcomed - nice.

        Anyone in that room could have stood up and shouted down the President at any moment, to pre-select someone because of their prior expressed views or opinions is to attach a punishment to their exercise of their rights which is of course unonstitutional (you knew that right?) and then to physically detain her on that basis at that time (whether or not to arrest her) is to violate her liberty rights under the 14th Amendment, which has been defined as "if nothing else the right to be free from physical restraints" piggy-backed on the fact that the basis for her restraints would be her exercising her free speech rights, and this is surely a violation of her 14th amendment rights as I'm sure her lawsuit will allege.

        Sure, Mr. Exalted, Ms. Sheehan could have seen this coming, but you might be surprised to learn that has no bearing on her constitutional rights.

        "blinders," huh? I suppose I'm wearing them if on the inside of the blinders is written a very tiny copy of the COnstitution, jackass!

    •  At what point (3.66)
      do you think you could show a little kindness and respect to a woman who has just been through hell... again.

      On Bush: "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." --(borrowed from) Churchill

      by joanneleon on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:52:13 AM PST

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    •  At what point... (none)
      would there have been a visable, viable anti-war movement without Cindy Sheehan's efforts?

      Maybe never, I'm guessing.

      As an aside on the t-shirt issue, perhaps we should  test the extent of objectionable tees by wearing "Blessed are the Peacemakers" shirts at future events. That would pose quite a dilemma for the Bush Brownshirts. An anti-war shirt that quotes scripture. Let them arrest people for wearing the words of Christ.

      Stolen elections have consequences.

      by Radical Faith on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:48:04 AM PST

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    •  Sam Loomis (none)
      You make a a lot of posts critical of Cindy, but what's your rationale? Care to make a persuasive case?

      Explain, please. Otherwise I'm chalking you up a blowhard.

      .

      Is nothing secular?

      by aitchdee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:23:32 PM PST

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  •  Take care Cindy (4.00)

    You are doing a great job of speaking for millions of people who are being ignored, insulted, and lied to.

    Thank you and bless you

    Lillian from Healdsburg

  •  Patriot Act makes dissent a crime (4.00)
    As noted elsewhere, this should be touted LOUDLY as a FUNDAMENTAL reason why the (so abusively misnamed) "Patriot" Act should NOT be renewed in ANY way shape or form.

    It is time for ALL of these outrages to end.

    It is time to reclaim our rights as Americans.

    I don't care WHAT you or your shirt says but will defend your right to say it.

    And btw - would they have reacted the same if the shirt said

    2752 dead 9/11

    •  It'll keep going (none)
      With DLC trying to get the apathic "center" and libertarians who would sell our libertaries for corporate profits, we're watching democracy die.

      A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

      by Tux on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:33:19 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  It'll keep going (none)
      With DLC trying to get the apathic "center" and libertarians who would sell our libertaries for corporate profits, we're watching democracy die.

      A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

      by Tux on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:33:33 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  But (none)
      With DLC trying to get the apathic "center" and libertarians who would sell our libertaries for corporate profits, we're watching democracy die.

      A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

      by Tux on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:33:55 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  But wait... (none)
      Sine that makes the Patriot Act unconstitutional then surely George Bush will simply disregard it and choose not to enforce, right? Just like he did with the Fourth Amendment.

      Although the Patriot Act is mad young, so maybe Bush feels he has to follow it.

  •  Just thank you, Cindy (4.00)
    What an unbelievable crock of shit happened to you tonight
    as you cut through the B.S. by your very presence. What
    scaredy-cats (sorry, pooties everywhere) those thugs are.

    Thank you for giving us the details--many of us were
    worrying about you very much through all of the SOTU.

    Gonna go find me one of those t-shirts now.

    It is never too late to be what you might have been...George Elliot

    by begone on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:46:09 AM PST

  •  Cindy, (4.00)
    We ARE behind you. And we know that you stand with us against those forces that are stealing our freedoms right from under us. Thank you for all that you do, and we thank you for the gift of Casey; we ALL would do well to deserve his -- and your -- sacrifice.

    "...and the ones that are lucky ones come home on the day after tomorrow..." -- Tom Waits

    by Newton Snookers on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:46:27 AM PST

  •  bless you, Cindy (4.00)
    please keep the pressure on these thugs who are in the white house...

    i pray for you and the families who have been affected by the actions/decisions of GWB and his "buddies"

    you never did the answer to your question, "what noble cause?" , did you??

    i hope the good Lord has a "special place" for these jerks...

    prayers and good vibes to you!!

  •  omigod! cindy, i am SO sorry! (4.00)
    earlier tonite we had a diary on this because it just didn't smell right... five minutes ago i edited the "personal opinon" out of it -
    would indicate that cindy sheehan did NOT go to the sotu to protest after all! she had been wearing that t-shirt at the "alternative state of the union" gathering earlier in the day - and may have just not changed clothes. she had a sweatshirt over the t-shirt and a jacket over that. when one enters a crowded gallery in the UPPER area of a "theatre", it is warm. it is also NOT uncommon to remove one's jacket and undo a sweater or sweatshirt! so, my question now, was this all a setup and an excuse to prevent her from attending the presentation out of fear that she might  do something?

    instead, put in the reuters report that you had only been seated for about a minute!

    here is the diary- i am so glad you came to tell the real story - PLEASE don't stop telling it!

    this is so wrong!  cnn had early shots of a "white banner" being thrown over the balcony - and they stated you had "a banner in your lap and unfolded it" as they aired the video tape.  if there is any way to get a copy of that tape, it might prove interesting (especially since there WAS no banner - at least not tonite!)

    this smelled bad from the very beginning - i am so sorry you have been insulted in this manner - also, the delay in your release, i am convinced, was to keep you from making statements to the press during the after coverage of this speech.

    hang in there and know that you are not alone - if you need us - we've got your back!  

    the GOOD thing about this is that, once again, poor george has been upstaged by the mother of a noble son!  you did good, even if you didn't intend to do so!

    blessings to you...

    edrie

  •  Fox Radio (4.00)
    On the Sean Hannity show they said you were disrupting, and by being arrested, you got what you deserved. He sounded so smug when he said it.

    A President in his own league. The Bush League!

    by Tuba Les on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:50:46 AM PST

    •  just what was i disrupting?? (4.00)
      the sotu hadn't even stared yet..it was one half hour before the lies began...
      and, if taking off a jacket is being disruptive, then what do we call using white phosphorous or d.u. in Iraq???
      •  and why an arrest? (4.00)
        I can see asking someone to leave...but why arrest?

        but sounds like it was BS that you were asked to put jacket back on and "refused"

        •  you haven't been listening to the news... (4.00)
          the capitol police TOLD the cnn reporters that they knew she was coming and were watching out for her - and that they were afraid she was going to "do" something!

          this was preemptive, it was planned and it was callous.

          if you want to support the suppression of an individual's right to lawfully attend (as a guest of a u.s. representative) the sotu, then perhaps you won't mind my tapping your phones and reading your email!

          •  remind you of 'Minority Report' ?? (4.00)
            T shirt pre-crime
          •  Wanna bet those Capitol police (4.00)
            were under orders to find some excuse for getting Cindy Sheehan out of the hall before the president entered it?
            •  yup - the capitol police even told (4.00)
              the cnn reporter that they were "watching" for her because they thought she was going to "do something".

              great!  thank god for that reuters photographer!

              would love to hear HIM interviewed!  like, on capitol hill - in front of a senate hearing - run by john conyers!!!

              oh, JOHN??? are you out there?

          •  is it crazy (none)
            for them to think that she might attempt to shout down the president during his speech?

            there is no constitutional right to attend the SOTU that i'm aware of

            I believe in saving money. I believe in having a house. I believe in keeping things clean. I believe in exercising. www.walken2008.com

            by The Exalted on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:44:04 AM PST

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            •  And that would be wrong? (none)
              I'm thinking back to when a President -- Jefferson, I think it was, or maybe Jackson -- invited anyone from the public to come to the White House after his inaugural... The place got a bit trashed, and no president did it again. But imagine, a President who recognized who he serves, and who pays his salary.

              In a healthy democracy, everyone in the gallery would be wearing a t-shirt.

              "Animals are my friends--and I don't eat my friends." (G.B. Shaw) Click to read the 'Union'

              by Hudson on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:02:14 AM PST

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            •  There is a constitutional right (none)
              There is a constitutional right to Equal Protection of the Laws, and a right to Freedom of Speech - especially political speech.

              Cindy was EITHER kicked out because of who she is and what her political beliefs are (in violation of equal protection), OR because of the content of the speech on her t-shirt (in violation of freedom of speech).  

              If all political t-shirts were banned, fine - but they weren't (I assume a GW04 shirt would have been allowed).  

            •  So it's okay to arrest someone (none)
              based on what you think they might do?

              The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

              by TXsharon on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:12:35 PM PST

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      •  Worst Nightmare (none)
        You are the Bush Administrations worst nightmare. A women with "standing" and the courage to speak her mind. It is evident that they fear you, even when you do nothing more than show up at an invited event where the President is talking. They have mobilized the Vast Right Wing Noise Machine against you, to smear your every move, and even a bunch of moves you haven't made.

        They have people watching out for you, to take every word and action you have so they can twist it into talking points that are faxed to the VRWNM. They want to demonize you, marginalize you, turn the nation against you. They want to blame those you associate with for using you for political gain.

        What they don't realize is the more they spread filth about you, the purer you become. You have a simple message that resonates and it interferes with their world view.

        They had to get you out of that gallery. The T shirt gave them an excuse. They couldn't take a chance that you would disrupt the procedings. They didn't want you to be the story. So they actually made you the story. They want to paint you as frothing at the mouth, so the more resonable you are, the madder they get. They mistake their own state of mind for yours. They are the ones that are out of control.

        You have control. They hate that. Keep up the struggle, Cindy. Americans all over the country support you.

        A President in his own league. The Bush League!

        by Tuba Les on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:46:50 AM PST

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  •  Most reports I read happened to support your tale (none)
    fortunately.  Sure, there was some odd speculation of you carrying a banner to unfurl, having intentions to be disruptive, etc. - but, most of that was said in iffy language.  Obviously, wishful thinking by the storytellers and/or media transcribers.

    Hope that you heal quickly and can get some rest.  It sounds like a very stressful ordeal, in so many ways.

    •  mostly (4.00)
      stressful to my heart and soul...
      my body will be fine.
      •  i know this is hard... but hold in your (4.00)
        heart that you are changing the future of many many soldiers and civilians in iraq!

        you ARE making change happen.  rosa parks made change happen.  martin luther king made change happen.  you, cindy, are one of those who will be recorded as a pivotal individual in history.

        i know it is a hard cross to bear - but you bear it in the name of your son and in his love - and you have ours to support you when you need us...

        know that we are here!

        •  i really didn't want to go tonight (4.00)
          but i knew that being there would show george that i was not afraid to face him...even though he is afraid to face me.

          when i thought of how afraid my sweet boy must have been when he went into battle...and all of the millions of people who are terrified for their lives in Iraq, I knew I had to go.

          and look what happened....nothing compared to other's sufferings

          •  he's a Coward (4.00)
            all this BS about being a "War President"

            it's like a little boy fantasizing about being a big tough man

            he's a coward

          •  Cindy (4.00)
            You had every right to attend and I think it appropos that you were there to face him when he is obviously scared of you.  Unfortunately he didn't get to see you there - though I'm SURE he knew you were, but it's now in the news that you were an invited guest and though this was a blatant violation of your civil rights IN THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE - and that is how we must frame it, as Mark Riley did this morning - this may actually do some good, if you can get on the media.  But please, don't go on Matthews, he was smug and an ass when he was talking to Dianne Feinstein about this, and she just laughed about it (it was disgusting).  You should DEFINITELY run against her, and I will help your campaign.  Go on with Keith, and tell your story.

            I hope your bruises to your body and your psyche heal from this soon, you are making history my dear, and we all have your back.  Virtual hugs to you, Cindy.  I enjoyed watching you on CSPAN2 from the panel you were on Monday with Ramsey Clark and David Swanson, et al., and which interestingly enough re-aired right before the SOTU?  Think CSPAN is starting to get disgusted with this Presidency?  They aired a panel on impeaching bush right before his SOTU?  What is it exactly they are saying in that? <wink>

            We love you Cindy, and may the Goddess bless your path of peace and justice and freedom.

            Sheehan for Senate in '06!  Feinstein is done!

          •  Thank you for going (none)
            It would have been so easy for you to stay home and watch the speech on tv instead of bearing witness for those of us who grieve over this awful war and the souls lost too young.  I am grateful for your grace and presence under such difficult circumstances.  

            I shall continue to pray for strength, courage and peace for you and your family as well as for our country.

            "All right, then, I'll go to hell." Huck Finn

            by karin on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:35:54 AM PST

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      •  Glad to hear it... (none)
        ...but since you know the identity of the person who hauled you out of the gallery, and since it is apparent that the justification for your arrest was flimsy at best, is there any chance of filing assault charges? It's not just a First Amendment case (and I don't mean to minimize that) -- you were physically attacked.

        Thwarting the forces of conservatism since 1978. -7.63, -5.64

        by wiscmass on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:29:20 AM PST

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    •  cnn broke the "banner" story and (4.00)
      cut to a shot of a white banner being hung over the balcony.  i SAW IT with my OWN EYES!!!

      that the story was false indicates that they pulled footage from their video file to "back up" the story - and when it turned out to be false, they held off correcting or even DISCUSSING the reasons for her arrest until much much later!

      i would give BUCKETS of coin to have footage of that "shot".  does media matters or truth out video cnn?  is there any organization that runs continuous copies of aired newscasts?

      anyone got a video?

      when cnn lies, the bigger audience hears it as "truth" - in this case, they have been caught!

      •  yes. (4.00)
        i would like to have that exposed.
      •  I think this IS BIG (4.00)
        As big as Gannon/Guckert!  With all the Rethugs taping and Tivo'ing the SOTU coverage, there has to be one Progressive out there with this FAKED footage.  

        Witnesses - there had to have been a hundred people that had at least a good view of this happening, and dozens that heard it!

        "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonest war." - Mark Twain

        by skwimmer on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:40:37 AM PST

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      •  If this is true, (4.00)
        that reeks of deliberate defamation of character.

        An active decision appears to have been made to prejudice the coverage by presenting a false image, and linking that image to a person's actions. Was there narrative to disclaim that this image was not related to this specfic, actual event?

        If not, the implication is clear.

        Don't 'public people' have
        rights against fabrications like this?

        Lawyers, please chime in!

        "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty, soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

        by shpilk on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:55:38 AM PST

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        •  the commentator was explaining (none)
          that "cindy unfurled a banner..." as a white "draped" fabric was shown hanging from the gallery balcony.  the implication was clear - THEY had the "real" deal (to quote that idiot, nancy grace-less).

          there WERE witnesses, a reuters photographer was quoted in the article - it is linked in several diaries - don't have time to find now, but will post  the link later to you if you don't find it. NOT the account the capitol police are giving - and now, cnn (blitzer) is giving some halfbalanced coverage.  they said that the capitol police will not respond to their calls!

          the disturbing bent now is that they are reporting it "lightly" by saying a congressman's wife was asked to leave because of her support the troops shirt (which she wore LAST year!).  she is also upset - at least blitzer pointed out that SHE was not arrested (nor was she man-handled)!

  •  What hypocrits! (4.00)
    I couldn't help thinking about you when they introduced the Clay family (who's son died in Iraq). It was perhaps the longest sustained applause. How many of them knew that another grieving family member was arrested and thrown out of the building? What would they have done if they knew?
  •  White House/Repub Spin Bullshit. (4.00)
    I cannot believe that anyone could spin this kind of bullshit and then have the total Bullshit make it to print. This location must have been the most secure place in the world last night. WTF are people thinking? Knowing that every single person who entered this place would, not only have been patted down, security would have gone through every thing on their person. Including searching through purses, handbags, backpacks, pockets, briefcases. Anything and EVERYTHING one has on their person or is carrying. The dumb fucks that thought you could have gotten an anti war protest BANNER into the Chamber are CRAZY. And then to think that the press believed the BS Spin and then went ahead and put it into print and spewed that shit on TV..They should all be fired. I even read that one of our own Congress women from California was repeating the Bullshit lies on Larry King. Regardless of what anyone thinks about you (J' Adore & keep fighting), I don't see how anyone could think for a second that you could have gotten a Anti War Protest Banner into the Building. Sue their Asses off and let America and the world see pictures of what they did to you. Keep focused, stay on your message and we will overcome the Worst President and Administration in the History of the United States Ever.

    *"It is the difficulties that show what men are" ..Epictetus*

    by Chamonix on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:57:33 AM PST

    •  thanks cham (4.00)
      j'adore you too!!!
    •  That right there (none)
      is the biggest problem with the "news" nowadays. They're so damn eager to be the first to break a story, they don't bother to fact check.  It's like one huge game of telephone-just hearing it from a friend of a friend is enough for them to put it on the air.

      There's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated...insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason.-NoFx

      by SairaLV on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:01:02 AM PST

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    •  Since this arrest was a clear violation (4.00)
      of COHEN v. CALIFORNIA, 403 U.S. 15 (1971), a Bivens suit would appear to be in order.
      •  Cohen (none)
        The ruling in Cohen, it should be noted, was written by a conservative, John Harlan.

        "I want a world where the Democrats will put somebody up there worth voting for." --- Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad.

        by asskicking annie on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:25:59 AM PST

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      •  Unfortunately... (none)
        in the case you mentioned, the T-shirt was worn in an LA Courthouse, not the DC House. The House has strict rules prohibiting demonstrations of any sort while in the gallery, even silent protest. They even prohibit applause... although during the SOTU, they typically ignore the rule.

        So the question now becomes- if they intend to enforce the rule against Cindy Sheehan, do they also intend to prosecute everyone else in the gallery who violated that rule by clapping?  

        "We hold these truths to be self-evident: 1. George W. Bush is not President; 2. America is not a true Democracy; 3. The Media is not fooling me." -Ani DiFranco

        by poichick on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:56:33 AM PST

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        •  How does the fact that it was the Capitol in D.C., (none)
          and not the L.A. courthouse, affect the governing law?

          Also, how does wearing a t-shirt constitute a demonstration?  I'd like to see the alleged rule quoted.  And, if there is any ambiguity in the rule, shouldn't the First Amendment color how it is to be interpreted?

          •  Question (none)
            It seems as though we all want it both ways....Free Speech is protected. An Anti-Bush T-shirt at school is a protected demonstration of free speech, but when at the SOTU, an anti-war shirt is not a demonstration, just a piece of clothing.

            Cindy was making a political point, by wearing a political shirt. If wearing a tee shirt is ever a protected demonstration of free-speech, isn't it always?

        •  But even the wingnuts tell me (none)
          that t-shirts are excluded from that law.

          I'd gladly see anyone who clapped for that piece of crap that tried to pass itself off as a speech arrested, though.

          Nobody likes big government until they need something. -5.88, -6.82

          by Debby on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:24:42 AM PST

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  •  CNN's Ed Henry... (4.00)
    (on a rerun of an earlier broadcast) stated that Cindy refused to cover the t-shirt by zipping back up. That's why we have to stand up with and for you Cindy. The "press" doesn't care what is right or wrong. Thanks for putting it on the line. WAR is HELL!!
  •  The Patriot Act will further suppress dissent (none)
     Section 602 would give the Secret Service the power to create "exclusion zones" at "National Security Special Events," even if the President isn't in attendance.

    The ACLU noted:

    Even under current law, the Secret Service has participated in harassment of individuals who have appeared at taxpayer-funded forums with the President if they are perceived to disagree with the administration's position.  For example, on March 21, 2005, two Denver students were expelled from a "town hall" forum with President Bush because they had an anti-war bumper sticker on their car.  The students had obtained tickets from their Congressman.  Officials, including an official who identified himself as a Secret Service agent, told the students that the event was limited to audience members who shared the President's views and they would have to leave, even if they had no intentions of disrupting the event.  Apparently it made no difference that the topic of the forum was Social Security reform, not the war in Iraq.  Similar incidents have occurred at Presidential visits throughout the country.
    •  An Act of Congress doesn't trump (4.00)
      the Constitution.  If arresting someone for what is on his t-shirt is a violation of the First Amendment, under Cohen v. California, a statutory attempt to limit that case is unconstitutional and without legal effect.
    •  It's even weirder (none)
      A couple of years ago, a WEDDING of some connected person in Washington State was declared a "National Security Event" and its designation was published in the Federal Register.  A no navigation zone was declared and enforced by the Coast guard.

      Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

      by StrayCat on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:39:12 AM PST

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  •  speachless (4.00)
    "I told him that my son died there. That's when the enormity of my loss hit me. I have lost my son. I have lost my First Amendment rights. I have lost the country that I love. Where did America go? I started crying in pain."

    ...and that's where I started crying reading your report. (I'm up in the 'middle of the night' because I live on the other side of the planet from DC.)

    Thank you for telling us what really happened. I hear you're going to be a guest on some teevee show in a few hours. God speed in getting some truth out through the cracks in the wall.

    How late does it have to get before people see how much this is like nazi Germany?

    "Protestor!"

    Jesus.

  •  What they did... (none)
    by throwing you out and arresting you was a disgusting display.

    I am sorry for your loss and all that you have had to endure in a quest for meaning.

    Matthew Ortega
    Second Civil War
    "She is liberty and she comes to rescue me."

    by Matt O on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:01:42 AM PST

  •  asdf .... (3.83)
    "Protestor!!!"

    In the people's house ...

    In the god-damn United States of America !!!!

    Who'da thunk it???

    not me I tell ya.

    It's disgusting.

    •  why not "soldier's mom" (4.00)
      and run over and give you a hug?
    •  asdf (4.00)
      Bet they said it with the same tone as 'terrorist!' or 'traitor!' or 'Gun!!'

      I keep thinking this government has sunk to the bottom but I keep getting surprised at its intolerant, heavy handed ways.

      Maybe a caller to Springer on the Radio I heard the other morning was right..Bush should just have claimed himself dictator last night and had been done with it.  Would be more refreshing and at least honest than the pack of lies I was hearing last night.

      "There's no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead." - GWB, 5/11/01

      by Stymnus on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:05:52 AM PST

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      •  Bet they said it with the same tone as ... Gun! (none)
        That's exactly what I was thinking ...

        followed by "and then the brave Secret Service agent wrestled her to the floor.

        What has this country come to? They are all such cowards.

  •  Why didn't that THUG know who you were? (none)
    Isn't it his job to make sure he is up to speed on whose who in the political world?  One would have to had his head up his @$$ this summer to have missed your face in the paper/tv/internet.

    Beyond that, Cindy, I have you in my thoughts this evening and wish you the strength to get through this.  So many people love you and honor the sacrifice your son made for his country.  We can not, and will not let these Bushco flunkies ruin it.

    Take care and keep us posted.

  •  The harboring of truth (4.00)
    has become a crime.

    Soon there will be hearings about the unlimited need of the federal government to search and spy upon its citizens.

    While their alarms fall on hostile ears.

  •  Walter Wolfgang (4.00)
    There was a comparable incident at the British Labour Party conference earlier this year. An Labour party member was forcibly ejected and detained under the Prevention of Terrorism Act for shouting "Nonsense!" once during a speech by Jack Straw (the Foreign Secretary).

    Resulting headlines:

    Minister apologises for ejecting party veteran over Iraq
    Heckler returns to hero's welcome
    Heckler, 82, wins apology from Labour

    It really, really got the Labour party a lot of bad press. But then I fear your press isn't in as healthy a state as the UK's.

  •  Pretty much (4.00)
    every member of the federal government was there.  I can't imagine any better security existing anywhere.  Yet they still find a way to drag somebody from the stands over a t-shirt before the speech.  It's the number that scares them:  2245.  It scares a lot of dems too.  Worse, tomorrow or the day afer that t-shirt will be obsolete.  

    Bayh-partisan: it's the new joementum

    by gogol999 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:15:14 AM PST

  •  Hmmm... Who to believe - (4.00)
    Cindy Sheehan or the minions of Emperor Chucklenuts...

    Hmmm...

    Cindy, you have the right to wear any message at all on your shirt.  We all know that.

  •  Legal costs? (4.00)
    Please let us know how we can help pay for the lawsuit. No way will you be paying this on your own.

    Okay boys and girls, repeat after me: "Mecca lecca hi mecca hiney ho..."

    by willers on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:21:05 AM PST

  •  Very Proud! (none)
     I, for one, am very proud of our northern California Congresspeople.  Thank you Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee.  I am lucky to live in such company.  That goes for you too, Cindy.  You are a credit to our history and principles.  Many, many thanks to you and all who speak truth to power!
  •  More thoughts (none)
    We're chatting over on FDL about what we need in a leader.  After all the back forth we come the the agreement that really, at this point, what we really need is someone to stand up to these bullies and expose them for the gasbags they are.

    Then, one by one, we crossed off those in the "party" that don't have the um, wherewithal, to do that.

    Cindy, you do.  You stand up timelessly and tirelessly, and you make the world a better place because of it.

    We're behind you.

  •  Well (4.00)
    If a shirt can upset conservatives, I bet a large group wearing shirts that say, "Annoy a conservative, defend the Consitution" might make them cry for their mommies.

    A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

    by Tux on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:27:44 AM PST

  •  Tell me where to be. (4.00)
    Tell me what to chant.

    Tell me what to donate.

    Tell me how I can help.

    I, and thousands like me, will be there.

    Cindy Sheehan speaks for me.

  •  Your Unjustified Arrest Exposed The Bush Lies. (4.00)
    Just before Bush began repeating his absurd lies about his dedication to bringing democracy to the Middle East, your arrest brilliantly illustrated that he is destroying democracy in America.

    Even with the stupid factual misinformation spread by the news media about the circumstances of your arrest, the fact is that the arrest dramatically captured the headlines and brought needed attention to the purposeless deaths of our soldiers in Iraq.

    I hope you will wear the same tee-shirt you were arrested in when you appear on the morning news shows, because Americans every where will see that you are keeping the memory of those soldiers who have died in Iraq alive, not making a personal attack of any sort on the president.

    I hope that knowledge is some consolation for the pain you must have felt at realizing how very damaged our democracy has become under this plastic puppet of a commander in chief.  How horrible to realize that this new brand of fascism is the cause for which your son gave his life.

    Thank you so much for speaking out and always telling the truth.  I have a twenty year old son whose life you may be saving by your words and actions.  You have my deep gratitude and admiration.

    Impeach, Convict, Remove.

    by Justina on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:47:20 AM PST

  •  wow Cindy (none)
    The pen is mightier than the sword, but the shirt may be mightier still.

    So sad that they may have to start manufacturing those T-shirts with an electronic scroll board on the front, just to keep up with the body count.  Remind me again when the Bush twins are going to enlist and go "fight for freedom"?  Of course they won't go over there because there's no waitress to take their drink orders on the streets of Fallujah.

    You made the Repiglicans and the Vichy Democrats alike quake in their designer shoes, awesome job tonight... you said more just by unzipping your jacket than 1,000,000 pathetic "Democratic responses" ever could hope to say, especially after they vetted their sickening sellout minced words through a zillion focus groups and put them in the mouth of homophobic happyface Kaine.

    Now get back out here to Berkeley so I can buy you dinner and put you on the radio for a whole day to do your thing.

    "Some of you are going to die... martyrs, of course, to the Freedom that I will provide!"

    by emperor nobody on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:47:22 AM PST

  •  WASHINGTON POST (4.00)
    Everyone awake might want to drop a line to the Washington Post about their story on this.  

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    (I have no idea if I linked that correctly, but you can find the article off the front page).

    Key lines:
     "Activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested last night after demonstrating in the spectators gallery of the House of Representatives as part of a larger war protest that was held outside the Capitol....She was also vocal, said U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance W. Gainer, and after she ignored instructions to close her jacket and quiet down, she was led out and arrested. Demonstrating in the House gallery is prohibited."

    There is no alternative storyline provided, even though the Reuter's story was posted at 11:46 pm last night and has a quite different viewpoint.

    •  we need to resolve... (none)
      that as long as we have no conduit or channel of our own (excluding the internet, which is still not the way the vast, vast majority of people get their "news") to disseminate reliable, reality-driven accounts of events, the facts of these pivotal situations as they truly happen will remain marginalized at best and entirely ignored (if not outright ridiculed) at worst.  We need to come to the final realization that we as a society have crossed the Rubycon into a shameless fantasyland, where Advertising is cleverly (and often not-so-cleverly) disguised as Information and where the facts of Objective Reality have become whatever the wealthy and connected say they are, period.

      This ceaseless whining about "They lied!" about X, Y, and Z gets us the sum total of nowhere... shouldn't we have our own cameras pointed at these events so we can roll the tape on what really happened?  Remember you are dealing with a mass media whose expressed wish is that the Republicans, who favor the continued deregulation that is making the media conglomerates that own these outlets obscenely rich, remain in power in perpetuity so they can continue to profit as such.

      It seems to me like the rules have long ago changed but we are still playing the game as if the old rules, where something happened somewhere you weren't and you still stood a modicum of a chance to get a halfway accurate accounting of what went down, still somehow apply.  The blogs are a step in the right direction, but we need tools that utilize the airwaves to the extent of scope and spectrum that the other side has or we are just singing the same sad song to our own choir.  Air America isn't enough.

      For example, picture a world where we had the tools to respond to both the State of the Union address AND the Democratic response, where we could actually call Chimpy out on each and every point... like when he says "70,000 new science teachers" we could be right there to say "For what?  So they can be prescribed by you to teach unscientific bullshit Creationism in Biology class?  So they can inspire kids who will someday grow up to be the very same scientists that you are unconscionably giving gag orders to when they provide findings (as on Global Warming) that disprove your thoroughly imbecilic, myth-driven myopia of a worldview for the infantile crap that it so manifestly is?"

      Because if y'all are waiting for the Vichy Dems (a group from whom I exclude, of course, awesome Dems like Barbara Lee and as of tonight Ms. Woolsey) to call this guy out and kick it real for a change you are gonna be, to paraphrase Bushwick Bill, some waitin'-ass muthafuckas.

      "Some of you are going to die... martyrs, of course, to the Freedom that I will provide!"

      by emperor nobody on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:23:35 AM PST

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    •  well, folks... here is the (4.00)
      contact page for the washington post- for letters to the editor, op/eds, AND the ombudsman - which is a very good place to start!

      tomorrow (er, later today when i am more coherent!) i will write a few letters chastising the two reporters for sloppy one sided reporting! (where have we seen THAT before?)

  •  We've got your back, Cindy! (none)
    What has happened to this country is devastating to all authentic Americans!  I weep for you, Cindy as I weep for my country.

    peace.

    Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.-Einstein

    by fooj on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:56:24 AM PST

  •  Thank You Cindy, for having the courage (none)
    that our "representatives" lack! If you decide to run against DiFi here in California, I'll be among the first to volunteer to help out in your campaign.

    Pat A. Vesely ;-)
    Charter Member
    Black Box Voting.org

      •  count me in, too! (none)
        my email is edrie.blackwelder @ gmail.com - i'm great for research - really quite good at ferreting out details!....

        lost the earlier email you gave me...  my invite for coffee still holds!  :^)

      •  I am selling a twin of Cindy's shirt... (none)
        I am selling my veterans for peace T-shirt that is identical to the one that got Cindy Sheehan arrested and removed from the 2006 State of the Union address.  

        All the money will be donated to the Los Angeles chapter of the Veterans for Peace to help fund their Arlington West memorial on Santa Monica beach in California.  

        Perhaps you or somebody you know what like to have the shirt. Make a statement and help support a good cause!  

        I am selling it on ebay under the title

        Cindy Sheehan 2000 Dead How many more? Arrest Shirt

        Or check out this link

        linked text

  •  Cindy , I'm not even sure (4.00)
    that is a "protest" shirt,it was more a fact shirt, a question shirt.

    It didn't say "bush killed..." or "bush caused...". it didn't say they died for lies. It said how many there were and asked how many more.

    When I saw the pictures you looked fine, nice necklace too. I thought of Cheney at Auschwitz dressed so disrespectfully in his furry hooded parka and boots...
    You looked like a lady, he did not look like a gentleman. He was disrespectful, you were treated with disrespect. I know these aren't the same but that dichotomy came to mind.

    It is a shame that you were treated that way, but it might have been more bearable then listening to that faux-president spew his lies and platitudes. Still, you could have walked out if it got to be too much. You didn't need to be treated roughly for wearing your shirt.

    I am so sorry this happened. Wishing you the best. We grieve with you what is happening to our country. I will be watching you this morning.

  •  Cindy, hang in there... (4.00)
    You're my hero...

    And Cindy, hey, check out this diary of mine on Maryscott's blog supporting the idea of a Dianne Feinstein primary challenge!  

    $3242.00 is all it takes to make it happen.  Even if you lose, you can scare the bejeezus out of them.

  •  You are a hero, Cindy (4.00)
    Thank you so much for what you have done. I know that tonight was traumatic. Rest assured, there are angels in your midst and there is a purpose for all of this.

    "In a democracy dissent is an act of faith. Like medicine, the test of its value is not in its taste, but its effects."

    by Brian H on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:13:32 AM PST

  •  Cindy, I think you've done a lot of good, but... (4.00)
    I agree with many here that you've done a remarkable job bringing focus to the antiwar movement, and I thank you for that.  

    But you know that there is a huge effort to minimize you by the other side... I've personally spent more than a few hours defending you from ridiculous talking points. Hanging out with Hugo Chavez, though, at a conference while he chants "Down with the U.S. empire!" plays into every stereotype conservatives use against us and takes away any leverage I have against the conservative types I'm trying to reach.  It changes your message from "I lost my son and this war should stop" to "down with the U.S.A", an argument that doesn't win many friends in our country.

    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein

    by citizen lehew on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:32:44 AM PST

    •  this is what I mean... (4.00)
      Citizen, just so you know Jesus Christ HIMSELF could descend from the Heavens in flowing robes of spiritual purity and unparalleled intellectual efficacy and explain to "the Conservatives you're trying to reach" point by point exactly why the policies they support and the rhetoric they parrot will beyond a shadow of uncertainty lead to total, imminent Global Apocalypse in our lifetimes, and they would just change the channel on the Big J like he was an infomercial for the Six-Pack Abs Machine.

      Why?  Because THEY CANNOT BE REACHED, they have abandoned observable, objective situational reality to such a staggering extent that their lives and thoughts and gestures and actions have become mere reinforcement mechanisms for the completely insubstantiable FANTASY WORLD in which they insist upon living.  You could even make exceptionally compelling arguments that the folks you speak of are NOT EVEN CONSERVATIVES whatsoever, even though they pass for same on a daily, if not momentary basis, based on a merely cursory examination of their stated motives and objectives and how they have gone about accessing them.

      We need to start focusing on meaningful ways to reintroduce logic and sense into discourse in this country, before we lose the gains of not only the last 200+ years of our own History but the gains of the totality of History since the Enlightenment that led to the founding of this nation in the first place.

      To do this we have got to find a way to bypass trying to explain Reality to those who would deny it to the death anyway take it directly to the streets and to the world, like a magnifying glass that amplifies the rays of the sun to ignite a flame.

      "Some of you are going to die... martyrs, of course, to the Freedom that I will provide!"

      by emperor nobody on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:46:52 AM PST

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    •  in other words... (4.00)
      If there isn't an easily-accessible resource we can provide on a daily basis that substantiates who Chavez is, where the revolution in Venezuela (and Bolivia for that matter) is coming from, why Venezuelan oil is so crucial in this hemisphere, and the historical weight of the poverty and indignity that Venezuelans (and Bolivians) have endured for so long that has led them to embrace this particular brand of socialism, then "Hugo Chavez" will just remain a meme... a cipher for the ruling classes and their media to use as a convenient name to identify as an "enemy" for the millions of Americans who don't know any better, to equate with something negative to be destroyed.

      It really does seem we need our own 24/7 news and information channel(s), to provide the kinds of content and context that is required so people can begin to reorient their ways of seeing the world to reflect the nuanced and complex, rather than the retarded, myopically autistic bilge that we see before us today.

      "Some of you are going to die... martyrs, of course, to the Freedom that I will provide!"

      by emperor nobody on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:00:48 AM PST

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      •  Thank you (none)
        Expand! This would make a good diary.

        Whenever I hear hate and fear I look for ignorance.

        "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonest war." - Mark Twain

        by skwimmer on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:55:54 AM PST

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      •  Huh? (none)
        So we should "start focusing on meaningful ways to reintroduce logic and sense into discourse in this country", yet you spend a thousand words painting a ridiculous charicature of the people I'm trying to reach...  great.

        I'm not talking about penetrating the skulls of hopeless dittoheads...  I'm talking about the majority of the country, people who just watch the news and like all of us are EXTREMELY suseptable to constant propaganda.  I've actually already planted seeds of doubt in dozens of coworkers and friends, who had just never been exposed to what liberals actually think, let alone that there might be a version of reality beyond what's on the TV.  Its amazing to see the light bulbs start glaring!

        Anyway, Hugo Chavez has nothing to do with this...  I used to live in Venezuela, and have nothing against what he's doing for his country.  But the sentiment "Down with the U.S. empire!" is a powerful statement that makes sense coming from Chavez, but better be pretty damned nuanced if it's being endorsed by Cindy Sheehan.  

        She probably means "bring our troops home and lets get out of everyone else's hair", a sentiment I somewhat agree with.  But considering we don't have a liberal propaganda machine of our own to explain all of these nuances 24/7, it's impossible for the average American to hear that statement and not hear "Down with America".  If you think that's a reasonable message to be pushing out to the other side, then sorry, but you're far more radical than they are.

        "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein

        by citizen lehew on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:38:31 AM PST

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    •  since i wholeheartedly agree (none)
      with the sentiment, "down with the U.S. empire!" i don't see much to object to there.

      i don't see where people get off telling CS how she is supposed to behave. apart from the fact that it is smacks of the same fruitless Dem hyper-calculation of years gone by, it also assumes that CS is beholden to anything other than her own conscience.

      believe me, if i lost a son to the imperial cause, you would find my reaction substantially less acceptable than that of CS. and i would not for one instant stop to apologize.

      •  She's a national figure... (none)
        and whether she likes it or not she's speaking for much of the antiwar movement now.  

        Sure she can say whatever she wants, but if she says or does something that totally discredits the entire U.S. left and gives the Hannity's of the world legitimate ammo to use against us, we all have the right to get pissed.

        One of the big talking points the jackals pound everyday is that "the left" wants to destroy America.  If you think its a "hyper-calculation" that the message your sending out make them sound correct, then I think you've lost touch with the average American.

        If she confirms in most people's mind that the left just wants to destroy America, then the odds that they'll just trust whatever crap the conservatives say is 100%.

        "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein

        by citizen lehew on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:03:35 AM PST

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  •  UNBELIEVABLE!!! (4.00)
    I told him that my son died there. That's when the enormity of my loss hit me. I have lost my son. I have lost my First Amendment rights. I have lost the country that I love. Where did America go? I started crying in pain.

    You don't want to read the expletives I want to write. This country has gone fascist.

    George Bush is a goddamn coward. A thief, a liar and a drunk too. A pathetic excuse of a man, a draft dodger. That millions of our fellow citizens voted for him tells you that this empire is in precipitous decline.

  •  Velvet Revolution - Rolling BillBoard (4.00)

    Velvet Revolution's rolling billboards rolled out tonight.

    Please help the effort to keep rolling, and with more banners, by donating here...

    To see what was on the other side of the billboard, click here...

    We can report that the truck was pulled over by Capitol Police at least 3 times in the first hour it was rolling. Turns out, they've got no good reason to ticket it however. Freedom of speech wins...for a few hours anyway...

    Blogged by BradBlog on 1/31/2006 @ 8:12pm PT...

  •  way to go Cindy (none)
    Good luck with the suit.
  •  Now this is wierd: (none)
    In the online edition of the Daily News:
    By LAURIE KELLMAN

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Cindy Sheehan finally got her invitation to see President Bush again, but before she set eyes on him at the State of the Union address, Capitol Police removed her from the gallery overlooking the House chamber.

    The offense: her shirt, bearing an anti-war message and other "unlawful conduct," police said.

    http://hosted.ap.org/...

    But looking at the print edition of the News I see:

    "Peace mom: Cindy Sheehan was removed from the House Gallery last night for allegedly causing a disturbance minutes before... Capitol Police said they escorted Sheehan out after she was spotted CARRYING A PROTEST BANNER SHE ALLEGEDLY PLANNED TO HOLD UP AS BUSH SPOKE.

    Kenneth R. Bazinet

    Are these articles from the same paper?

    "Trying to make it real compared to what." Gene McDaniels/Les McCann

    by Sprinkles on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:14:18 AM PST

    •  Online version is updated (4.00)
      One hook with this story is the question:

      Why did the Hill police lie when originally talking to reporters? Are they politicized?

      If so that is frightening indeed.

      •  don't think that lying to cover one's butt (none)
        is unusual - especially in such a high profile case!

        the police chief repeated to the press that cindy had caused a disturbance - the lie was told by the arresting officer (weight?) - but they didn't count on a reuters reporter seeing and photographing the incident!

        sort of like the "rodney king of capitol hill" incident, no?

        i hope cindy sues the crap out of all of them!  find out who told them to "eject" her and go after them, too.  what do you want to bet there is a roving hand in this?

        at least now cnn is starting to bring this up with some unbiased coverage!  YES!!! trying to undo the damage!  miles obrien is asking now if her rights were violated?  did she "violate" the rule of decorum?  good question - he is sympathetic - lets see if soledad dingbat obrien read my email and looked up the link!

      •  it's cya (none)
        no different than saying Rigoberto Alpizar was screaming "I have a bomb".  

        I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take this anymore!

        by MarkinNC on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:18:22 AM PST

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  •  The T-Shirt was disruptive (3.00)
    because it is indeed a protest shirt that certainly appeared to be an attempt to taunt Bush in much the same way as Ms. Sheehans peace camp - this time at his SOTU address. Her consequential removal from the event was entirely predictable (though apparently heavy handed).

    If it was not her intention to be removed then she is getting bad political advice. If  it was her intention to be removed than I also think she is getting bad political advice. It would have served her and her cause better had she sat quietly through the speech and then used the occasion to comment on her cause afterwards. I have no doubt that the cameras would have been on her.

    I mean really, is anyone here really surprised by this incident? Does anyone really think that the white house was going to let her sit through the SOTU glaring at Bush wearing that thing in front of the international media? They were obviously looking for any excuse to kick her out and were given one on a silver platter.

    The incident might be red meat for her supporters but her supporters are not the ones who need convincing.

    Just my two cents.

    •  what t-shirt would have been ok? (4.00)
      "You're doing a heckuva job, Bushie"?
      •  Probably not (none)
        but that sure would have been damn funny :-)
        •  Ben Franklin's Words (none)
          The same words on the banner at Gonzales's press conference last week would have been good words to have on a shirt in that gallery. "They who can give up essential liberties for security, deserve neither." I also disagree with Ms. Sheehan being taken out, but I'm sorry, I honestly don't believe she didn't plan on taking off her jacket in there. Why else go in there? Anyway, whether it was planned or not, her constitutional rights were violated and I think she needs to follow the right course to see justice for what was done to her. I too believe that while her intentions were good and that she has every right to sit in that gallery, she took the focus off of Bush instead of putting it on him where it belongs. They will make her look like a disruptor, and I think that hurts the cause of standing up against this war. But I have to applaud her bravery for even going in there, and hope she gets justice for what was done to her, though I doubt it with these people.
          •  Phooey! (4.00)
            It was the response that caused the disruption.  Do you think for one second that one woman wearing a tee-shirt sitting in a crowded gallery would have garnered any notice at all from the media?  If they'd had the sense to leave her alone no one would have paid any attention at all.

            They were "afraid" that she would be disruptive just like they were "afraid" that Iraq had WMD's and they're "afraid" that some hundreds or thousands of their citizens will be calling terrorists overseas.  They are afraid the way an old boyfriend of an aquaintaince of mine broke the finger she was wagging at him during an arguement because he was "afraid" that she would poke him with it.

            These people who want to rule us should start controlling their fear before they try to control anything else.

            •  yes (none)
              The fact it was Ms. Sheehan was already garnering notice from the media before it even started. I was watching MSNBC and they made a point of announcing it.
              •  Yes, (none)
                they made a comment about her being there.  If nothing else happened that would have been the end of it.  MAYBE they MIGHT have panned a camera across her.  MAYBE the camera MIGHT have caught a fleeting glimpse of the tee-shirt.  Big Whoop.

                But now there is a BIG WHOOP indeed and it wasn't Cindy Sheehan's doing.

                •  yes it was, in part (none)
                  Come on, be real. She made the news by sitting outside his ranch last summer. She has done nothing but travel around the country and world drawing attention to herself. To think the media wouldn't have noticed her there no matter what is being naive. They would have and they did. Also, those who let her in also knew who she was. Doesn't anyone who is let in those galleries have to go through security before even getting up there? And based on the fact that she chained herself to the fence there and did other things, well, that leads to preconceived notions. It doesn't make their treatment of her any less wrong, it is just fact. What irks me is that they were expecting something which is peobably why they allowed her up there to begin with, and she gave them what they wanted, an excuse to remove her. You can't tell me that she didn't for one second believe they might try something to get her out. That said however, her treatment by security after the fact was still wrong whatever the circumstances. The point however, was to not give them what they wanted at all in this instance (which I think would have been more effective,) which wasn't the case, and they now have more ammunition to spin around, and that frankly pisses me off. Bush doesn't care how many troops have died in his war of profit. Showing him a number is a waste of time. However, if Ms. Sheehan had gone there as a bereaved mother instead of as a protester, I think it would have hit it home much more effectively just how this war has truly hurt so many others. Just my take on it.
    •  Please! (4.00)
      This is America!  Anybody should be able to wear any damn t-shirt they want to wear any where they want to go.

      QUESTION: Since when is a goddamn t-shirt considered disruptive?

      ANSWER:  Since Bu$hCo said so!

      The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

      by TXsharon on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:04:24 AM PST

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    •  Rational comment (4.00)
      but what you call "that thing" is a memorial to thousands of American people killed in Iraq. Thousands whose coffins and funerals are hidden from public view. Even those wounded in Iraq are brought home in the dead of night and no press is allowed to photograph them as they arrive.

      Iraq is the 'centerpiece of GWB's presidency' we are told.

      The good thing is Cindy Sheehan was spared having to sit through a dull rehash of lies and empty platitudes coming from a man who is not worthy of one of those war deaths.

      This above all: to thine own self be true,... Thou canst not then be false to any man.-WS

      by Agathena on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:12:45 AM PST

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    •  They don't get to choose (4.00)
      Does anyone really think that the white house was going to let her sit through the SOTU glaring at Bush wearing that thing in front of the international media?

      The White House doesn't get to choose what expression is acceptable or not. My God, this was in the "people's house" - if the Constitution doesn't apply there, where in the hell does it apply? This was not one of his election campaign events on "private property".

      Did they remove any and all individuals who had any symbolic expression on their person. A yellow ribbon pin, perhaps? What if Cindy Sheehan had worn a gold star? Would that painful reminder be acceptable? If so, why not a shirt? The White House isn't supposed to be able to choose what is acceptable or not.

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      The fear of disruption? Gee, whatever happened to "all we have to fear is fear itself?"

      You'd think that if a school could deal with non-disruptive self expression then the White House could probably do the same.

      ...The school officials banned and sought to punish petitioners for a silent, passive expression of opinion, unaccompanied by any disorder or disturbance on the part of petitioners. There is here no evidence whatever of petitioners' interference, actual or nascent, with the schools' work or of collision with the rights of other students to be secure and to be let alone. Accordingly, this case does not concern speech or action that intrudes upon the work of the schools or the rights of other students....

      ...The District Court concluded that the action of the school authorities was reasonable because it was based upon their fear of a disturbance from the wearing of the armbands. But, in our system, undifferentiated fear or apprehension of disturbance is not enough to overcome the right to freedom of expression. Any departure from absolute regimentation may cause trouble. Any variation from the majority's opinion may inspire fear. Any word spoken, in class, in the lunchroom, or on the campus, that deviates from the views of another person may start an argument or cause a disturbance. But our Constitution says we must take this risk, Terminiello v. Chicago, 337 U.S. 1 (1949); and our history says that it is this sort of hazardous freedom - this kind of openness - that is [393 U.S. 503, 509] the basis of our national strength and of the independence and vigor of Americans who grow up and live in this relatively permissive, often disputatious, society...


      Tinker v. Des Moines (1969)
      •  You may be surprised (none)
        that she got tossed out. I am not.

        I am not claiming it was right. I am simply saying that it was entirely predictable and, in my view, counterproductive.

        •  Then (none)
          Then you accept that "rule of law" and the Constitution mean nothing. Counterproductive? What, it offends your sensibilities? Or you think it'll offend others?

          If it was so predictable why didn't the "all knowing and powerful" White House ignore her?

          You can wring your hands and make excuses. I don't want to know you.

          •  How exactly (none)
            does a legal battle over the dress code at the SOTU help get the troops out of Iraq?
            •  Unlike (none)
              Unlike the current administration most people can keep more than one thought in their head at the same time. Ever hear of multitasking?
            •  Here's how (none)
              The invasion of Iraq was predicated on a series of lies combined with the threat of the accusation of "unpatriotism" if you opposed the war.  Our Congresspeople caved to this, bought lies they had reason to know were lies, and went along to get along.  Calling Bush and the neocon fascists on their fundamental dishonesty and dictatorial policies and intent at evert turn helps to end the war.
                   The lies put out by the police, CNN, MSNBC and other news outlets, (as opposed to journalistic outlets), requires confrontation.  this isn't a tea party.  Cheney has declared that it's a war on us, and on everyone who doesn't cowtow to the rulers.

              Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

              by StrayCat on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:25:33 AM PST

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            •  you really think that it's a battle (none)
              over dress code?
              your kossack credentials are in question

              hark! hark! the Clark!!

              by Errol on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:02:32 PM PST

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          •  sigh (1.83)
            there is no constitutional right to attend the SOTU

            there is no constitutional right to disrupt the SOTU

            and, plainly, wearing an anti-bush T-shirt during the SOTU is disruptive.

            I believe in saving money. I believe in having a house. I believe in keeping things clean. I believe in exercising. www.walken2008.com

            by The Exalted on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:48:02 AM PST

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            •  She had a TICKET... (4.00)
              She was entitled to sit in the gallery like everyone else who had a ticket.  Under the express terms of the 1st Amendment, and under Cohen v. California (which I took the trouble to re-read this morning), she clearly had a constitutional right to wear that shirt to the SOTU.  Perhaps you should bother reading the 1st Amendment and the Cohen decision before you make such blanket statements that have no basis in fact or law.

              Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

              by RFK Lives on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:20:17 AM PST

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              •  the 1st amendment does not allow you (2.40)
                to say or do anything you want.

                you can be removed from government functions for disruptive behavior.

                I believe in saving money. I believe in having a house. I believe in keeping things clean. I believe in exercising. www.walken2008.com

                by The Exalted on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:22:59 AM PST

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            •  disruptive? plainly? (none)
              how exactly was that so? was the crowd mumbling and murmuring in growing discontent?

              "disruptive" doesn't mean "standing in quiet counterpoint to the carefully staged PR extravaganza into which the SOTU address has devolved."

              CS was not disrupting anything at all. Bush would have the opportunity to say everything he intended to say, without fear of interruption. He would get to wave to the miscellaneous symbolic mannequins prepped and propped in the gallery. He would get to smirk and sneer and chuckle his way through the usual pageant of nonsense.

              So tell me, where was the disruption?

            •  was cheering (4.00)
               of Bush's assault on Social Security a disruption?   Certainly Senators and Representatives have a Constitutional right to be there.  Is applaue a disruption of the speech?  Was the standing O for the unlucky family that lost their son/husband a disruption?  If not, then cindy sheehan being there was not a disruption.  The whole night was symbolic speech.  Who says that the right wing gets to choose the disruptions they like?

              Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

              by StrayCat on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:30:21 AM PST

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            •  Ted Kennedy (none)
              attending was also disruptive to Bush's bubble

              hark! hark! the Clark!!

              by Errol on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:04:37 PM PST

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    •  Have you HEARD of... (3.60)
      a little thing called the 1st Amendment?  Are you aware that, in 1971, the Supremes held that wearing a t-shirt that said "Fuck the Draft" in a courthouse was held to be constitutionally protected speech?  Do you think that people should not exercise their constitutionally guaranteed rights b/c Fox/CNN (they're getting harder to distinguish these days) won't like it?

      The mother of a dead soldier was arrested for wearing a t-shirt to a speech in which the speaker would use the family of another dead soldier as a prop for his imperialist fantasies.  If this incident doesn't scare the living s**t out of you as to where this country is visibly headed, then you REALLY need to go and read the Constitution.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:13:42 AM PST

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      •  Save the sarcasm (none)
        We have all heard of the 1st amendment and care deeply about it. We can disagree about whether Cindy's political strategy made any sense without having any disagreement about Constitutional matters.
        •  The Constitution comes first... (none)
          and political strategies come second.  We have a government that has repeatedly shown contempt for the Constitution from the time that it took power via judicial fiat.  This incident is merely the latest in a long line of incidents that clearly show that we have a govt of of men (and one woman), not a govt of laws.

          Given the fact that this incident took place on the day that a new "justice" whose respect for basic constitutional norms is iffy at best was confirmed, this incident becomes that much more disturbing.  How this incident is ultimately spun for political effect is of distinctly secondary concern.

          Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

          by RFK Lives on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:08:50 AM PST

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          •  I would have thought (none)
            ending the war in Iraq came first.
            •  Which is first (none)
              Ehe constitution and the upholding of the documents this country was founded on, comes way in front of Iraq...
              •  So as long (none)
                as your papers are in order you can bomb whoever you damn well please and send your children off to die in wars of aggression?

                I disagree. By the time you get your constitutional ducks in order the planet will be a smoldering radioactive waste.

                •  If the Constitution had been... (none)
                  followed and had Congress done its job in 2002, there would never have been any war.  Instead, Congress (including far too many Dems) let the WH seize its warmaking powers and launch the lunacy that we are plagued w/ to this day.  Hell, if Congress would exercise its power of the purse now, it could bring this continuing catastrophe to a halt.

                  We're not just talking about words on a piece of parchment in Bob Byrd's breast pocket here.  We're talking about how Americans relate to their govt and how power is exercised by that govt.  Cindy Sheehan understands that basic fact a lot better than far too many Cong Dems do.

                  Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

                  by RFK Lives on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:41:54 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

    •  I have to disagree, (none)
      if they had not made a disruption by pulling her out of the chamber and she had just sat there and even IF the cameras would have stayed on her (a doubtful proposition) they would have had little to fear from her "glaring" at Bush, because the feelings about Cindy Sheehan and Bush have solidified in the populace.  

      Those who love Bush would have been ofended at her "glaring."  Those who are neutral about him might even have been put off by a "glaring" woman.  They would have been a whole lot smarter to just let her sit and "glare."

      But they can't do that, because they the are "afraid.  They cannot control their fearful impulses.  They cannot think or react logically or reasonably.  They are frightened and, because they are in power, frightening people.

    •  WHY (none)
      was the T-Shirt disruptive?  Who did it disrupt?  Only a politically appointed thug, who was under orders to make sure that the SOTU, a Constitutionally required report to Congress was no more than a staged town hall meeting set up by Rove.

      Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

      by StrayCat on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:18:22 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think it's one of those... (none)
        ...if one person does it then no harm done, if everyone does it then the event would turn into a circus things.
        •  then (none)
          What do you call what GWB has turned America's leadership into? He damn well deserves confronting for what he has done to this country.

          Wake up, boy- this ain't about politics anymore- This is about preserving the principles this country  was founded on. And that is what Cindy is standing up for.

          •  This has everything (none)
            to do with politics. Don't be naive.

            This afternoon at the People's State of the Union Address in DC where I was joined by Congresspersons Lynn Woolsey and John Conyers, Ann Wright, Malik Rahim and John Cavanagh, Lynn brought me a ticket to the State of the Union Address. At that time, I was wearing the shirt that said: 2245 Dead. How many more?

            After the PSOTU press conference, I was having second thoughts about going to the SOTU at the Capitol. I didn't feel comfortable going. I knew George Bush would say things that would hurt me and anger me and I knew that I couldn't disrupt the address because Lynn had given me the ticket and I didn't want to be disruptive out of respect for her. I, in fact, had given the ticket to John Bruhns who is in Iraq Veterans Against the War. However, Lynn's office had already called the media and everyone knew I was going to be there so I sucked it up and went.

            ...

            I wore the shirt to make a statement. The press knew I was going to be there and I thought every once in awhile they would show me and I would have the shirt on.

            It was a media event.

    •  surprised, no (none)
      Sadly, I'm no longer surprised when Bush and his band of thugs tramples on the constitution in his march towards fascism.   Since he doesn't believe the 4th amendment applies to the executive branch, why should he be limited by the 1st one?

      That anyone in this country labels a message that reminds people how many of our soldiers have  sacrificed there lives in service of our country disruptive makes me ill.  The only thing that the message is disruptive to is Bush's spin and his lies not his speech.

    •  Exactly. T-Shirt was a dumb move (3.33)
      The sight of Cindy Sheehan being forcibly removed is an old story and the more we see it, the more she appears to be a professional protestor and the less she seems to be a normal Mom that anyone can relate to. Her story would have been far more powerful had she dressed appropriately for a formal occassion and sat quietly. The cameras would have no doubt been focused on her respectful but skeptical demeanor and the reporters could have filled in the back story. No one who has not been in a cave for the last year needs to see a T-shirt to figure out that she is a war protestor.
  •  Cindy (none)
    Just your presence gets the bushleague's knees a knockin.  Stay on em!

    Did President Bush persuade you that he has the right plan for the country?   * 49500 responses   

    Survey SAYS ....

        Yes
    31%
        No
    69%
    msnbc net survey 5:19 am CST

  •  Does Bush REALLY beleive that he's always right? (none)
    One of Bush's supposed strong suits, at least according to the state-run, I mean, mainstream media is that he so streadfastly and consistently beleives that he is always right in his actions.  But if that's really true then why is he so intolerant of dissent?  Why the loyalty oaths at his rallies?  Why the arrests over nothing other than passively expressing one's own opinion?  Could it be that the false reality bubble that has been created for him is actually so fragile that something as simple as a T-shirt that someone is wearing or a bumper sticker on someone's car that interferes with that reality, even in the least bit, could shatter the bubble into smithereens?  Maybe, at some subconscious level, Bush really doesn't believe his own BS, or perhaps it isn't even his BS, but instead he is merely a tool for spreading it.  And, really, an effective tool only if he continues to fully believe said BS, at least consciously?  Just a thought.

    Cindy, thank you so much for all that you do.  You are truly a bright spot in these very dark times.  Best of luck in your 1st Amendment suit.  I hope that it will be one the top stories of 2006, and will remind all Americans that freedmom begins at home.

  •  Cindy you're lucky (none)
    I'm shocked you're not in a prison in Poland being interrogated...

    I like the shir.t  keep figghting!

  •  Freedom of Speech? (none)
    That's do September 10th. Cindy, keep up the brave fight. I am so sorry for what happened to you last night.
  •  i feel for you (none)
    and your loss.  

    and everytime we suffer a "defeat" like the filibuster (seeing those hypocritical dem senators and their damn rhetoric) or illegal spying, or bribery, or outing patriots, or whatnot, i realize that our country is still not "desperate" enough to get off their behinds and do something about it.

    when will we be desperate enough, and what's gonna have to happen to snap us attention?

    thanks for what you do and hope i can get out there with you and meet you someday, f

  •  While I support (1.85)
    the freedom of speech and expression, there is such a thing has going overboard. I feel for Cindy's loss, I am a veteran myself, but her time could be better put to use. Whomever her handlers are - she has a PR person - they are using this poor woman. Cindy, please, give it up, go home and grieve - do volunteer work or something.
    •  When wearing a t-shirt is considered (4.00)
      going overboard is when you know that your government is in the toilet and it is time for us all to join Cindy.  I will wear any damn t-shirt I want to any damn time I choose!

      Cindy makes her own decisions not her "handlers".

      The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

      by TXsharon on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:59:31 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  since you're a "veteran", (3.25)
      what are YOU doing with YOUR time?

      Are you protesting the war?  If you're for the war, are you working to help veterans?  

      I doubt you're doing anything but sitting on your ass criticizing a person who's actually doing something.

      Perhaps some mighty victory is growing in you now. - Mike Finley

      by hrh on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:02:44 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Au contraire! (none)
      You miss the whole point of "Freedom of Speech".  
    •  Of course you want her to give up. (none)
      If she "goes home" then the machine can roll over us all without even so much as a wimper.  If she keeps showing up all the time, it becomes a pain in the ass, doesn't it?  You Rethuglicans must feel so lonely out in the world with EVERYONE HATING EVERYTHING YOU DO and all THE LIES YOU SPREAD.  When will you give up and go away?  Please!
  •  This country is so fucking fucked up! (none)
    Way to go Cindy!  Expose those bastards!  I wish I could have been with you!

    The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

    by TXsharon on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:31:41 AM PST

  •  Where can I get a shirt like that? (none)
    Every American should wear that shirt one day every week.

    The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

    by TXsharon on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:33:30 AM PST

  •  My dad's a war vet and supports you 100% (4.00)
    While I've never served, my father served in two wars (different wars, different country, but a vet is a vet), and when I spoke to him tonight he was absolutely livid that they did this to you. And he's a Republican who voted for Reagan and initially supported this war.

    In fact, I was actually trying to tell him that maybe wearing that particular shirt to the SOTU wasn't the most respectful thing to do (to the decent people who were legitimately there, not our faux prez and his fawning GOP lackeys), but he wouldn't have any of it, and said "That poor woman lost her son in this war and had every right to wear that shirt, and I'm so pissed off that they went and arrested her! It's not right!".

    You know what, he's right. These are not normal times, and the normal rules of protocal simply don't apply when the government of the United States is being illegitimately run by a bunch of lying, corrupt and incompetent thugs.

    We can't afford to keep "playing nice" and let them continue to get away with their hugely evil and destructive regime, and the obscene way that they use mourning wives, husbands and families, and wounded vets, to promote this illegitimate and immorally conducted war and make themselves look falsely sympathetic, like they did with that poor woman and her in-laws tonight--all the while treating people like you who won't play their game like traitors--they're the traitors!

    We're all with you here, Cindy. You've helped start a movement that I firmly believe will take down this gang of thugs sooner or later, be it legally or politically, and make them fully account for their evil deeds. We need to get our national house in order and what you're doing is fantastic! Keep up the great work, and we'll do our share too.

    Some of us are a bit "late to the party" which I think accounts for why the anti-Bush movement is only now starting to gather real steam, but heros like you are helping rally "regular folks" like me to join in. You've set an incredible--and incredibly important--example and are doing the country an enormous amount of good that I'm convinced will eventually lead to their fall from power and date with justice.

    It's going to happen, and you're helping to lead the way. So don't let them get you down--with these actions they're only revealing their fear and desperation, and fueling the very thing that they're trying to stop. I swear I can see it in their eyes now, the fear, the desperation, the sense that their house of cards just might be about to come crashing down. And we're going to all make it happen. So take heart, and keep up the great work. We're closer than we realize, I'm convinced.

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:33:50 AM PST

  •  Washington Must Be (none)
    crawling with lawyers who will take this case for no fee.  Good luck with it.
  •  I support you 100% Cindy (none)
    Thanks for your tireless work.
  •  *sigh* (2.00)
    Sorry, this is just a little over the top:


    I told him that my son died there. That's when the enormity of my loss hit me. I have lost my son. I have lost my First Amendment rights. I have lost the country that I love. Where did America go? I started crying in pain.

    What did Casey die for? What did the 2244 other brave young Americans die for? What are tens of thousands of them over there in harm's way for still? For this? I can't even wear a shrit that has the number of troops on it that George Bush and his arrogant and ignorant policies are responsible for killing.

    Cindy, my condolences for your loss...I still think shrub is a #)#($#$@(...but you're just about jumping the shark when you play up the drama queen routine.

    Please, by all means, press your lawsuit...it sounds like they overreacted and dragged you out of the room. DId any cameras get footage?

    It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
    PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

    by floundericiousMI on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:01:17 AM PST

    •  I'm sorry, but ... (4.00)
      I didn't see her quote above as drama at all....

      I saw them as her posting of her real thoughts as she thought them (as well as emotions) at the time.

      I, for one, also am emotional about this, and I am, too, feeling the enormity of what we have lost in this country right now.

      To Cindy:  You GO!!  God speed!

      Jim Ferguson
      Seattle, WA

      •  Perhaps.. (none)
        And I could be wrong with my criticism...

        But...

        Cindy,

        You've been publicly speaking about this for months and months and months...you've gone all over and taken to the stage time and again...

        Is it seriously still so raw and painful that you really felt:


        I told him that my son died there. That's when the enormity of my loss hit me. I have lost my son. I have lost my First Amendment rights. I have lost the country that I love. Where did America go? I started crying in pain.

        THAT is what I was refering to in my gripe....

        THAT sounds like spin.  If you all don't agree with me, that's fine...as I've said, I could be reading this wrong.

        Is the loss really so fresh and so overwhelming that "the enormity hit you" just then?  

        If it truly is, then please accept my apologies for my insensitive words..I'm not here to stomp on a grieving mother.  I'll leave off here, as I've more than said my piece.

        I still say (see photos upthread!!!) you should sue the BEHIND off these guys.  This "we'll kick you out because you've got a 'protest shirt' on" stuff is #@$)(#*$ BULL! GO GET'EM!

        It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
        PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

        by floundericiousMI on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:27:32 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  You owe Cindy an apology. (none)
          Her son died just last SUMMER!  Do you have a child???

          I have a child who had a brush with a life-threatening illness and was in the hospital having multiple surgeries - it took YEARS not to be disablingly traumatized whenever I thought about it.  I can't imagine if my son had died.

          You are a total idiot if you think it's overdramatizing her feelings to say that she's seriously traumatized when she recalls her son's death after a few months.

          And you said it in a public forum, basically to her face.  You owe her an apology.

          •  Um... (none)
            Did you bother to read my post?  

            It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
            PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

            by floundericiousMI on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:54:55 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  yes, let me refresh your memory (none)
              you said:


              Is it seriously still so raw and painful that you really felt

              I told him that my son died there. That's when the enormity of my loss hit me. I have lost my son. I have lost my First Amendment rights. I have lost the country that I love. Where did America go? I started crying in pain.

              ...

              THAT sounds like spin.  
              ...
              Is the loss really so fresh and so overwhelming that "the enormity hit you" just then?  

              These comments are clearly questioning her sincerity and her grief.  You say she "sounds like spin"

              Of course, later, you give a lame "if so, then ..." but that's not an apology.  A true apology includes an admission that you were wrong.  It looks like this: "I was wrong.  I'm sorry"

              I don't want to turn this into a flame war, but I can't stand seeing you (in the post I responded to) calling a mother's grief "spin" - to her face.

              •  Then that.. (none)
                ..is a matter of opinion. And I disagree with yours.  Cindy has made herself a public figure with her efforts.  Frankly, kudos to her for giving a voice to the anti-war movement.  

                However, that also means that anything she says in the aftermath of that transformation has to be viewed in the light of her being a public figure. It means, for me, that I read far more into her statements than I would for another, private person who has lost a loved one in this war.

                As I've said elsewhere, it's a matter of perspective...you think I should apologize...you think that I should make some huge "I'M SO WRONG, CINDY WAS RIGHT, I'M SORRY WORLD" post...but that's not going to happen.

                It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
                PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

                by floundericiousMI on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:18:42 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

        •  How young are you? (none)
          In stressful situations, such as arrest and detention, it takes very little for emotional pain to flood back and hit you almost as hard as the first time.  Cindy was talking to a person just back from Iraq, he survived, and Cindy was probably glad for hin, sad for Casey, and overwhelmed by the situation.  This is how humans are, and part of what makes us real.  No drama here that wasn't real and predictable.

          Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

          by StrayCat on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:37:44 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  You (none)
          you have obviously never lost a family member and if you have then I seriously question your ability to love. What a complete shit of a comment.

          You didn't do it.

          by Earl on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:15:53 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Earl (none)
            I have lost family members, and yeah, I cried my fool head off at their funerals and wakes..and subsequently when I thought of them... But 21 months later a high-stress encounter didn't cause me to collapse in tears.

            As a matter of fact, it's a somber thought for me to go to gsfp.org and see Casey's (May 29 1979-April 4 2004) picture - I'd be 4 months older than him.  

            He could well be one of my friends or classmates from college...it would be deeply disturbing to have lost such an acquaintance, friend, or (god forbid) a family member in this war.  Thankfully I've not...I hope I don't..but it could happen.

            But life must go on...if the pain of that loss is still THAT sharp nearly 2 years later, then it is a deep wound indeed.  I'll leave you with a quote from a play about people who've suffered the specter and pain of death:


            The heart may freeze or it can burn. The pain will ease if I can learn... there is no future. There is no past. I live this moment as my last! There's only us... there's only this. Forget regret, or life is yours to miss. No other road... mo other way. No day but today...

            It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
            PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

            by floundericiousMI on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:12:21 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Well good for you, fl (none)
              Should we pass a law on how someone should feel grief based on your experiences? Unbelievable.

              You didn't do it.

              by Earl on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:19:46 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Nope (none)
                No we shouldn't...

                It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
                PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

                by floundericiousMI on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:32:45 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Exactly (none)
                  And where inside yourself do you find the right or even the ability to question someone's grief? It is a truly grotesque thing to witness, honestly.

                  You didn't do it.

                  by Earl on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:39:12 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I would.. (none)
                    I would pose the same question to you...you've just verbally vomited all over me with very little basis.  Where do you get the right, within you, to make such an all-consuming nasty generalization about a person you've never met?  I have no opinion about you, Earl...though you put an ugly face forward.  

                    My statement, relative to Cindy's post, stands above...I can't delete it or change it, nor would I.  Cindy doesn't need attack dogs to slash and burn people who disagree or complain.  She's demonstrated she has the nerve and willpower to stick up for herself, when necessary.

                    If my post was so terrible for her, she is more than welcome to wade in and set me straight.  Why exactly are you so up in arms about this, anyways?  What is it to you? What's your angle?

                    It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
                    PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

                    by floundericiousMI on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:46:42 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  First (none)
                      You may call by critique "vomiting" all over you--i call it what it seems to me: entirely lacking in compassion, monstrously self-righteous, and grotesque. I don't call you that, I call your comments in this diary that.

                      Don't call for Cindy to come in and respond when you post his on a public discussion board. You want to talk to Cindy, you can email her. There is nothing wrosng with my dfending the honor of someone insulted on this thread.

                      What's my angle? What am I up in arms about? You need an answer to that? Why does anyone feel the need to defend someone brutalized by an illegal war and brutalized continually aftrwards for speaking out against that war? Why? I think it's the human response to such a thing.

                      You didn't do it.

                      by Earl on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:53:20 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Fair enough (none)
                        For what it's worth I figured you'd say that when I re-read my post...I'll leave that part out of it.

                        As for the posting publicly, etc...you're right. Which means it gives you the same right to criticize me that I have to criticize anyone else here...no problems, then.

                        I'll repeat another comment I made (and that others have stated far more eloquently) about Cindy elsewhere in this discussion: She has made herself a public figure...that ratchets up the scrutiny.

                        Later

                        It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
                        PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

                        by floundericiousMI on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:04:32 PM PST

                        [ Parent ]

        •  What an odd statement (none)
          "Is the loss really so fresh and so overwhelming that "the enormity hit you" just then?"

          Good Lord, when you lose someone you love so much the enormity of the loss can hit you again and again. People can be OK for a long time and suddenly they are overtaken with the loss again.

          That person you loved is gone, it's real, their smile, their voice, their touch is gone from you. The onrush of grief, of the loss renewed can rush up and overwhelm you.

          Life goes on, you have happy and calmer times, but the grief isn't gone. Your loved one is missing from your life.

          Cindy's experience could easily trigger that. People don't often share their pain or raw emotion to people that aren't close to them but she was writing about this experience and this was part of it.

          I get it.

    •  There must be tape, pix. If so, case closed. n/t (none)

      In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher. Dalai Lama

      by leolabeth on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:52:51 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  flounder, (4.00)
      ever lose a child?  Have one murdered?  Have their murder exploited by the ones who sent them to their deaths, for profit and political gain?

      No?  

      You cannot imagine what it feels like.  And believe me, when it rips your guts out every waking hour, you will know what drama is.

      •  Nope.. (none)
        I sure haven't...

        It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
        PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

        by floundericiousMI on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:18:47 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  It's like a (none)
          bomb going off in you life.  When the dust settles, nothing is ever the same - everything is worse, permanently.

          Not one single moment passes, you don't take one breathe that is not underlined by pain.  You never enjoy anything the way you once did.  Even happy moments wrench your guts apart because you immediately flash on what is missing.

          You look at your remaining family members differently.  Seeing them brings new pain - and complications - because you each remind each other of what you lost.  Marriages fall apart, siblings grow distant.

          When you try to describe what this feels like, sure, it is going to sound dramatic.  Until it happens to you and you family.  Then it just sounds like the truth.

          •  hmm.. (3.50)
            A '4' because you disagree but respond with discourse, instead of a flame...

            I suppose it's a matter of perspective...if you've had that experience, you've got one up on me relative to how it feels. I definitely believe you there and don't envy ANYONE who has been.

            As I said before, I'm not going to comment any further on Cindy's post..it may well have been an impassioned post right before crawling into bed after a VERY long, hard evening.  I just saw it and it immediately read, to me, in a certain way and I chose to comment, too bad you can't edit or remove comments, but thems the breaks

            It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
            PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

            by floundericiousMI on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:25:40 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  I stand with you, Cindy (none)
    You represent me far better than any member of the Democratic PArty ever has.
  •  sorry Cindy but you broke the law (none)
    it's as clear as day, isn't it now?

    A "little-noticed provision" in the latest version of the Patriot Act will empower Secret Service to charge protesters with a new crime of "disrupting major events including political conventions and the Olympics." Secret Service would also be empowered to charge persons with "breaching security" and to charge for "entering a restricted area" which is "where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting." In short, be sure to stay in those wired, fenced containments or free speech zones.

    This is exactly why EVERYBODY here needs to be in Washington D.C. on Feb. 4. We simply MUST NOT stand for this!

    Cindy - you will be there, right? I will.

    •  That little-noticed provision (none)
      has not made it into law yet.  The Senate filibuster of the renewal of the PATRIOT Act back in December has prevented it from becoming law up to now.
      •  Thank you! (4.00)
        This was what had been bouncing around in my head.

        It's not law, not yet!  And this is precisely why it's a bad idea..maybe we can get the provision more attention now..

        Cindy, I think you'll find most people are behind you here.

        And I heard Mike Malloy on Air America last night.  He was seething that such a thing happened to you, and said he would not even give the time of day to anyone saying you don't stand for them.

        I'm with you, Cindy.  This administration is an outrage.

        "There's no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead." - GWB, 5/11/01

        by Stymnus on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:14:24 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Pre-emptive Strike (none)
      Cindy, the bright side of this is that you didn't have to listen to King George. The dark side is that you got to experience his royal highness' totalitarian control.

      I sincerely hope that your arrest will focus some attention on this suggested provision in the new Patriot Act and that it will NOT become the law of the land.

      George becomes more like Sadaam was every day. No dissent. Secret police. Fake elections. Torture, wars, corruption, poor health care, mass graves.

  •  That's all folks (none)
    Lord, The horse is ready.  It's a great day for an Apocalypse.
  •  Thank you, Cindy (none)
    you speak for me.  I don't have time right now to read all the comments, so if this has been brought up, forgive me.

    Please file a lawsuit.  Tell us where we can donate.  I'll chip in.

  •  A thought for your suit (4.00)
    I started a diary that collected some research pro and con your position.  http://www.dailykos.com/...

    The best point that came up was that they appeared to be selectively censoring your view point as opposed to war supporters which is a pretty classic First Amendment violation.

    Get the court and press to compare this earlier pro-Bush SOTU demonstation to Sheehan's treatment:

    "The Iraqi woman had been applauded earlier when she stood and waved a purple-ink-stained finger and V-for-victory sign after being introduced by the president as a symbol for millions of Iraqis who voted in a free election for the first time last Sunday.

    Lawmakers honored those elections with a show of purple, the color that marked the index fingers of Iraqis who voted.

    A wave of purple fingers went up at each mention of the Iraqi vote, a gesture organized by Rep. Bobby Jindal, R-La., to demonstrate solidarity with Iraqi voters. In a letter to fellow lawmakers, Jindal said he wanted to display support for "people throughout the world who seek freedom."

    Some women traded traditional red and blue garb for suits that spanned a spectrum of purple, from lavender to violet. A few men sported purple ties."

    http://www.latimes.com/...

    "Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings." Heinrich Heine, from his play Almansor (1821)

    by egrass on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:23:55 AM PST

    •  Was thinking about this too. (none)
      So 'protestor' is apparantly 'anyone who disagrees', yet anyone who agrees is more than welcome to project their views.  I guess because their actions aren't a disturbance to anyone but us...

      How much do you want to bet that there wasn't one pro-Bush message in the gallery?  Not a single button, tee shirt, or what?  Aren't they 'pro-Bush protestors'?

      Keep your ideas to yourself unless they fall in line with Bush, I guess........

      "There's no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead." - GWB, 5/11/01

      by Stymnus on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:18:48 AM PST

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    •  viewpoint-based censorship is UNCONSTITUTIONAL (none)
      ... government may not regulate speech "because of its message, its ideas, its subject matter, or its content."  Invalid content regulation includes not only restrictions on particular viewpoints, but also prohibitions on public discussion of an entire topic.

      egrass has hit the nail on the head.  This is the place where any lawsuit should focus.  The so called rule against "demonstrating in the House gallery" is apparently viewpoint-based, because "demonstrations" that support the President are allowed ALL THE TIME and even ENCOURAGED and ORCHESTRATED.

      egrass already made the point I was going to make (it helps to read all the comments before posting in anger!) about the purple finger/clothing demonstration, staged by Bobby Jindal and other Repugs in support of the Iraqi "election".

      Many conservatives feel (although I do not agree) that the wearing of American flag pins is a passive statement in support of Republicans and the war.  I lost count of the number of people wearing such pins last night, beginning with King George himself.

      But even more obvious, cheering and standing ovations are also vocal demonstrations (of support).  They are not only encouraged, they are orchestrated.  At one point the Shrub was talking empty-tough about 9-11 and not waiting to be hit again, and several men's voices erupted in a loud shout just as the applause began.  Imagine the reaction of the Republican-controlled Capitol Police if every time the Shrub told a lie an orchestrated group of Democrats made the exact same noise!  Imagine the reaction of the Republican-controlled Capitol Police if every time the Shrub told a lie an orchestrated group of Democrats waved one finger in response!  ;-)

      This kind of viewpoint-based censorship has got to be a First Amendment violation.  I know Ashcroft/Gonzales/Bush hate everything in the Bill of Rights except the 2nd Amendment, but this is ridiculous.  Maybe the Roberts/Scalito/Thomas court will find this restriction on demonstrating in the gallery meets the standards of strict scrutiny, or maybe they'll have to wait until they get one more vote, but either way as of RIGHT NOW this provision has got to be legally challenged by somebody just to watch them squirm trying to justify it.

      Someone with access to Westlaw should start finding the relevant sections of Police Dep't v. Mosley, 408 U.S. 92, 95 (1972); Erznoznik v. City of Jacksonville, 422 U.S. 205, 208-12 (1975); First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, 435 U.S. 765 (1978); Carey v. Brown, 447 U.S. 455 (1980); Metromedia v. City of San Diego, 453 U.S. 490 (1981) (plurality opinion); Widmar v. Vincent, 454 U.S. 263 (1981); Regan v. Time, Inc., 468 U.S. 641 (1984); and Arkansas Writers' Project, Inc. v. Ragland, 481 U.S. 221, 230 (1987) (citing Consolidated Edison Co. v. Public Service Comm'n, 447 U.S. 530, 537 (1980)).  And, as others have already mentioned, start with Cohen v California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971).  Cohen was not held in contempt of court while simply sitting in the courtroom wearing the "offending" clothing.

      Hang in there, Cindy.  These are hard times for those of us fighting the good fight.  But you are striking a nerve, and you are not alone!  Every great person of conscience faces personal attacks and smears, and you have been so brave in standing up for what is right in spite of it all.  You amaze and inspire me.  You prove one person can make a difference.  History will vindicate you as a hero of our time.  That Peace Prize may come to you yet.  Look how long it took Jimmy Carter to get his.

      I don't know your faith tradition, Cindy, but I hope you will accept this prayer from mine:  May the Lord who has given you the will to do these things continue to give you the grace and power to perform them.

      Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D. IMPEACH

      by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:00:48 AM PST

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      •  CYA (none)
        Apparently the wife of a congressman who was wearing a "Support the Troops" t-shirt was also asked to leave.  They must've realized the viewpoint discrimination would be a problem and searched the crowd for someone with the opposite message to expel.  I don't think that helps them in the first amendment issue though, it's still an unreasonable curtailment of expression.

        Support the troops (for real)! write to any soldier

        by sberel on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:03:02 AM PST

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      •  how true (none)
        Applause is a "demonstration"- it demonstrates approval of a speaker or a point. . you hit this on right on.
  •  Cindy, I Shot Some Footage Of You In Crawford.... (none)
    ...last summer for an animated documentary, a documation if you will, which I've been working on for the last three years.  Having met you in person, it always amuses me the way that you get portrayed in the mainstream media, as some beligerant rabble rouser.  NOTHING could be further from the truth in my opinion.  It's always SOOO easy to tell when the press reports are inaccurate.  

    BTW - I'll send you some of the frame outs from the footage of you, perhaps through the Peace House is best?  The look for that half of the movie is like an moving Oil Painting, kind of a la Edward Hopper.  Drop me a line at todd@ducttapefilms.com, or if you don't get a chance, I'll just send 'em up to the Peace House for them to get them to you.

    Oh, yeah.  Don't let this deter you from exploring Feinstien's seat.  She made some snide comments about how this doesn't look good for your chances, getting arrested at the Capital that is, having a chuckle over it on MSNBC with Chris Matthews.

  •  Who cares? ... (1.87)
    ... you are a distraction from important issues, Cindy. When the American public needed to hear the Democratic Party response to Bush's SOTU this morning, you grabbed the headlines and they read about a t-shirt or whatever. I'm sure Karl ROve was quite relieved. Please, please, please ... go home and avoid the limelight for a while. You've had your time in the sun and now you are becoming the Jane Fonda of the 21st century and a distraction. You are making yourself the issue, and, quite frankly, you shouldn't be.
    •  Roosevelt entered WWII to protect free speech.n/t (none)

      Economic Left/Right: -6.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85 That makes me more Gandhi than Stalin

      by TomDuncombe on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:34:24 AM PST

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      •  It's not free speech that is the issue ... (2.85)
        ... it's wise use of free speech. Cindy has become noise. She is allowing the media to focus on her rather than Bush, and that is not good.
        •  Um (none)
          She is not doing this for only us.

          That's buying in to the meme that they want everyone to think.  That Cindy is a tool for the left.

          Nobody, not Bush or Mike Weight or any of us has the right to tell her not to express her own mind.  She lost her SON, don't you get that?

          "There's no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead." - GWB, 5/11/01

          by Stymnus on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:20:43 AM PST

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          •  Yeah, I get it ... (3.00)
            ... I've put my own life on the line in combat to protect free speech (have you?). What I don't get is why we encourage headline grabbers like Cindy to do their schtick when it overshadows more important messages that the public needs to hear from more important people. In my area, people are discussing Cindy Sheehan this morning instead of what Bush said and did not say, and instead of what any Democrat said in response. I've already had to defend myself as not supporting Cindy twice so far this morning. Why? Because when I tried to discuss the failures that Bush glossed over, the Bush supporters changed the subject to Cindy Sheehan and her trip to Venezuela and whether she is a loyal American or a communist dupe. Every time Cindy opens her mouth or makes an appearance now, we Democrats lose some of our space in the public arena. She's become a distraction, a cause unto herself, where she herself is the issue. That's why I wish Cindy would go home and stop grabbing headlines and giving Republicans the chance to change the subject to her. She isn't the issue we need to be wasting time discussing, but we are, even here.
            •  I'm fairly conservative by the standards here (4.00)
              but I couldn't disagree with you more. She has every right to freedom of expression. Why don't you focus your ire on the press, which would rather report the issue of her arrest than focus on the Bush speech?

              Economic Left/Right: -6.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85 That makes me more Gandhi than Stalin

              by TomDuncombe on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:49:03 AM PST

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              •  I'm not for forcing her to go home ... (3.00)
                ... I'm urging her to do so. She isn't helping us get a Democratic Congress elected in 2006, imo. She's become a distraction. So, forget the free speech angle. That's not what I am focusing on. Her right to free speech is not in question from me. The wisdom of making t-shirts and trips to Venezuela issues on the national stage, and the wisdom of focusing on Cindy Sheehan as an issue, is what I am questioning, and it is a valid question for all Democrats to consider.
                •  Bullshit (none)
                  Actually she is about the ONLY one that is helping, what do you consider "helping" that pathetic anemic Democratic response?
                  By Democrats not making any stand at all, clapping at this weasel?

                  If not for Cindy Sheehan there would be ZERO focus at all.

                  The Democratic leaders are virtually worthless at this point, the Alito confimation proved that.

                  What we need is 100 MILLION Cindy Sheehans!

                •  she (none)
                  she has done more to help this country focus on the war then anyone here. She has put a face on the war, and  that may friend is invaluable.
                •  Free speech is not an "angle"... (none)
                  ...it's the bedrock of our democracy.

                  "The American people will trust the Democratic Party to defend America when they believe that Democrats will defend other Democrats." Wesley Clark

                  by The Termite on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:55:44 AM PST

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            •  Off the spectrum (none)
              What is this repeated meme about Chavez and 'communists'?  Is this a troll?  Chavez is a SOCIALIST -- not a communist. this person sounds like a restate winger. Venezuela, Bolivia, Chile -- all are finally throwing off the Washington neocons and taking back control of their own country and their own resources.  As we should, too. Cindy is therefore an 'alternate condi' -- making useful meme-like visits with countries who are opposing the  corporate fascists, the ultimate source (pace Eisenhower) of the Halliburton/Bechtel/GE/Northrup war machine.  What's not to like?  Let's at least use the correct terms, folks.
              •  Save the troll accusations ... (4.00)
                ... the "communist" meme does not come from me, it comes from Republicans who want to use Cindy as a distraction, and it resonates to some degree with the public, the "Fonda" effect so to speak. Cindy's image for many is no longer about a mother grieving over the loss of her son. She herself has become the issue, and she no longer is able to invoke sympathy from the public like she did when her quest was simply to meet with Bush and have him explain to her the cause for which her son died. I have had to answer the charge that Cindy is a "communist dupe" twice today when it is was raised to defelct a discussion about Bush's failures in the SOTU, thus making me defend Cindy, which I would rather not waste time doing. Electing a Democratic congress in 2006 is my cause. Electing a Democratic president in 2008 is my cause. Cindy Sheehan isn't my cause.
                •  That's exactly your problem (none)
                  you say

                  Electing a Democratic congress in 2006 is my cause. Electing a Democratic president in 2008 is my cause. Cindy Sheehan isn't my cause.

                  For you, it's apparently all about politics, not the affect on real people.  

                  • You're not worried about free speech - you're worried about the affect on your ability to debate with your republican neighbors.  

                  • You're not worried about sons and daughters dying in Iraq - you're worried about winning elections.

                  Supporting a political party is useless unless it's consistent with supporting principles you believe in.  That's how the GOP wins, btw - they get their base to fight for what they think is morally right, not just for the party.
                  •  Absolutely correct ... (4.00)
                    I am interested in the politics first, because that is where elections are won and lost, and I'm definitely interested in Democrats winning some elections in the near future. I choose to be a Democrat as a matter of principle, and winning elections is all about people in case you haven't heard. The winners get to make the policies that affect people's lives, the losers get to wear t-shirts and demonstrate. If some in our party would get over the emotionalism inherent in a Cindy-type movement and start paying more attentionm to political strategy and electoral politics, we might be able to get some Democrats elected to positions of power and thus avoid a lot of bad things, such as deaths in unnecessary wars. So, I make no apology whatsoever for being interested in the politics and in winning elections. That's what a member of a political party does, and hopefully that is what political blogs are about.
                    •  Party Uber Alles! (none)
                      ... wherever it takes us!
                      •  Well, being a good Democrat ... (4.00)
                        ... shouldn't be something to be embarrassed about here, imo.
                        •  Yes "be a good little democrat" (none)
                          If Being a Good little Democrat means stifling anti-GW speech, or stifling any speech ... if it means "be a good little democrat and shut up and sit down and don't voice your opinion about Chavez - and cover up that damn t-shirt", then yes, I do find that embarrassing.  I guess I'd rather be a baad democrat.
                          •  No, I think you would rather ... (none)
                            ... just go around feeling righteous, so be my guest. I got that out of my system in the 60s & 70s, when we made a lot of noise and ended up helping to elect Richard Nixon. Now, I'm busy working to get Democrats (good, good little, and even baaad) elected, so that we can try to get this nation back on course.
                        •  You go be 'a good Little Democrat' - just (none)
                          Leave Cindy's and my freedom of speech out of it

                          I disagree with Cindy's approach about a lot of things, but I'll be damned if I would ever tell her to shut up and go home.  

                          I happen to belive her version of the incident.

                          Don't like "headline grabbers"? Better get your DLC boys to come up with something a little more substantive than Tim Kaine in response. Maybe then, you'll "grab the headlines".

                          I love these attempts to blame Cindy Sheehan for the lack of courage of the Democrat machine to stand up and say what needs to be said.

                          If you don't stand for Freedom of Speech, what type of "Democrat" are you, anyway?

                          "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty, soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

                          by shpilk on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:09:08 AM PST

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                          •  The kind that risks his life ... (none)
                            ... in combat so that you and Cindy and all Americans can have freedom of speech, and so that I can exercize it by suggesting to Cindy that she would be more of an asset to helping change the power structure in this country if she went back to her original quest to find an answer to her question about why Casey died in Iraq.
                          •  what war(s) were you in? (none)
                            and how did that nation threaten my freedom of speech?

                            were them foreigners going to invade Washington and burn the Constitution?  or was nixon/bush ilk screwing you over along with the rest of the world?

                            someone needs to save my freedom of speech from these rapid republicans.  

                            ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE UP ARMS NOW? /sigh . . . snark off

                    •  elections (none)
                      elections are won and lost at the kitchen table. Cindy puts a face on the war. Bob Woodruff will also soon do this. It is by making issues personally that they become meaningful, That is how elections are won and lost.
                      •  Cindy isn't ... (none)
                        ... simply a grieving mother seeking answers, at least to most Americans I talk with here in Georgia. She's become a media opportunist, with anti-American overtones in their minds. Because of her visit to Venezuela, she has become the Jane Fonda of today, poison to any Democrat who associates with her except for those representing the most extreme left political jurisdictions.
                        •  You're (none)
                          so right Roosevelt Democrat.

                          She's become a media opportunist, with anti-American overtones in their minds. Because of her visit to Venezuela, she has become the Jane Fonda of today, poison to any Democrat who associates with her except for those representing the most extreme left political jurisdictions.

                          I wish more Kossacks could see that.  Initially Ms. Sheehan was seen as a legitimate figure in the eyes of average Americans.  But because of her actions over the last couple months, she has marginalized herself.  The right-wing drivel had little effect except to galvinize the right-wing-base against her and prevent anyone from giving her the benefit of the doubt.

                          But now, people see her selling a book (apparently the profits of which will be going to her?), talking about running for the Senate, going down to talk with Chavez.  As much as some don't like to hear it, it doesn't change the fact that most Americans don't think of her as just a greiving mom anymore.

                          And this diary of hers has solidified my belief that she is now seeking the spotlight and playing up the martyr roll (not in regards to her son, but with everything else).

                    •  Well then (none)
                      I choose to be a Democrat as a matter of principle,

                      What principle? Do they have any left?

                •  Protecting the 1st Amendment... (4.00)
                  is more important than even electing a Dem Congress, although I don't see how the 2 are mutually exclusive.  We no longer live under a rule of law--we really haven't since 12/9/00.  Seeing a mother of a dead soldier arrested for wearing a t-shirt opposing the war to a speech in which the speaker, as usual, used the family of another dead soldier as a prop, is really scary.  It's even scarier when one reads the express terms of the 1st Amendment and reads Cohen v. California (which I re-read this am).

                  Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

                  by RFK Lives on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:34:06 AM PST

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            •  I agree (3.50)
              This stunt diluted our message last night.  

              Sometimes we may not believe it, but our Senators and Congresscritters do actually now how to play the politics game.  An edgy T-shirt at the State of the Union is a side show that takes away from thier efforts.  Instead of talking about Time Kaine's speech or the follow up interviews of our Democratic elected officials we are talking about the dress code at the Capitol Building.  That is counterproductive.  

              Oh by the way, which one's pink? -R. Waters

              by Blue Neponset on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:20:15 AM PST

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              •  how (none)
                How the fuck is protecting freedom of speech, freedom of assembly NOT important. Our democracy relies on them, without them we are nothing.

                These bullshit talking pionts about oil dependency etc will fade away soon as they should. Fuck any retard knows we are oil dependent to a fault, how the fuck is that news?

                what is news, is that once again, we the people are being silenced at every turn.

                Christ 40 years ago you probably would of called Rosa Parks a nuisance.

              •  no it did not (none)
                in fact Mr. Weight did more for restablishing the Constitution than Cindy did. Like a true Bushbot, he acted withotu thinking and made a much bigger statement than if he had let her sit there. We should send thanks to Mr. Weight for exposing Bushco for the tyrants they are.
            •  That's fucking awesome (4.00)
              In my area, people are discussing Cindy Sheehan this morning instead of what Bush said and did not say, and instead of what any Democrat said in response.

              So, people are discussing real issues, instead of the talking points of political tools. How is that a bad thing?

        •  I can't think of a better place and time (4.00)
          then at the State of the Union to make a statement about the State of the Union. 2245 died. How many more?  
          •  Unfortunately (none)
            I don't think that is the message that is going to come out of this incident.
            •  yes (none)
              yes it is, this is america, nobody in america like to see white middle aged grieving moms arrested.  
              •  Either you've (4.00)
                diluted yourself in your own rage against George Bush or you have no sense of how the majority of Americans consume news.

                All this will do is help solidfy the right-wing's image peddling of her as a "nutcase".  They will not give her the benefit of the doubt and this will further hurt both the party and the fight against the war.

                •  Marc in CA and Roosevelt whatever: (none)
                  You must be KKKarl Rove's plants here on kos.  Anyone who tells Cindy to shut up and go home because she's hurting the cause is working for Rove.  No doubt about it.  Whenever Cindy is in the news, Bu$hCo's ratings drop.  Even kissing Chavez does nothing for Bu$hCo.  Cindy Sheehan is a great American hero.  She's dedicating her life to ending this wear and she's being thrown in jail for that and it's all for us!  She's doing this to save other mothers from losing their sons and daughters, she's doing this for our Constitution and she cried because last night she felt she not only lost her precious child, she realized he fought and died for something that is being stripped from all Americans as we speak - our freedom!  Freedom of speech.  Freedom of the press. Freedom to peaceably assemble.  Freedom, folks.  It's not about politics!  It's ALL ABOUT FREEDOM!  God bless and keep Cindy Sheehan safe and alive and in the news to wake this country up and get these monkeys off our back!
                  •  Sorry - that's war, not wear as in clothing! (none)
                  •  Well (none)
                    with all do respect, you can fuck off for associating me to the KKK or to Turdblossom.  I've been here a HELL of a lot longer than you and my record on this site proves my liberal bona fides.  What is ridiculous is that you can't comprehend the idea that other liberals could possibly have a different opinion than you.  Quite frankly Little Lulu, that's an attitude normally taken by the right-wing nutcases.
                •  F/Tool (none)
                  Watch Bushie's rating fall from 38%. I predict when this is all done, he wil be lucky to be in the 30%.
        •  MSM=War Profiteers (4.00)
          Kill the messenger! Keep the powder dry! Moderate views will prevail... Baloney!
          It is a distortion in the media.
          MLK - polarizing.
          Abbie Hoffman - polarizing
          Ghandi - polarizing
          Jesus - very polarizing
          Sean Penn, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Michael Moore, John Murtha, Howard Dean, opposition must oppose or else be complicit.

          The President's characterization of "second guessers' is hyperbole - most of us have been first guessers- distrustful from the get go of this administration's hidden agenda, its ham-fisted, inept and deceptive foreign policy and its overt obsession with spin over substance.

          The far right hold sway because they frame the discourse.
          We need to change the frame.

          Moderate, shmoderate. Give me liberty or give me a lesson in what the founders of this country grappled with when forming our more perfect union.

          Or should we wait until Bushco sets up the our only national free speech zone in ANWR (the Artic National Wildlife Refuge)

          Go Cindy, go!

          Livin' the Murkin Dream!

          by smartinez on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:57:58 AM PST

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    •  Disagree (4.00)
      Cindy's son and too many other mother's sons have been killed in Iraq for Bush's lie.  This war that killed Casey Sheehan was based on lies, destroyed Iraq, has torn our country apart, and made us hated in the world. That gives Cindy, or any of us, the right to protest the Bush lies and Rove spin.

      I wish more people were overtly protesting: out in the streets or in the halls of congress.

      If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything-Mark Twain

      by Desert Rose on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:28:25 AM PST

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    •  First post ever (4.00)
      That is horseshit! The Democratic Party "response" did the real damage last night--Tim "The Eyebrow" Kaine was a mealy-mouthed embarrassment. Thank God for Cindy.
    •  What a steaming pile of horse shit (3.66)
      Replace "Cindy" with "MLK", and you sound like my family did 40 years ago.
    •  LMAO (none)
      You actually think they would show Democrats responses to the SOTU?  And I'm talking about the real Democrats, not the ones shows like to bring on who will place nicey with the repubs.

      Best laugh i've had in a while.

      -HK

      Home is where the cat is

      by HK on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:44:59 AM PST

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    •  No you are the distraction (none)
      And you're not putting your sorry as on the line lik ehse is. She's got twice the stones you'll ever have, and she, unlike you, believes in this country. you, not her, go home. Go make cookies or have a tea, or something.
  •  Keep Modeling the Behavior (4.00)
    that ALL of US should be showing. Our best and brightest are dying and we all need to do our part to stop Bush. I hope that those people who actually think that appeasing Bush and his band of killers and thieves is good politics. Maybe it'll get their token Democrat elected but it is destroying our country.

    May God bless you and protect you.

    Now I laugh and make a fortune off the same ones that I torture and a world says, "Kiss me, son of god." ~ They Might Be Giants

    by misscee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:32:44 AM PST

    •  and I forgot to say (4.00)
      that the news anchors described your shirt, not by saying it had an anti-war statement. They actually stated what was on your shirt. Go check out the msm. I can't find one that says anything but that you had an anti-war slogan.

      2245 Dead. How many more?

      I think I am going to have one made and wear it myself. You go girl.

      Now I laugh and make a fortune off the same ones that I torture and a world says, "Kiss me, son of god." ~ They Might Be Giants

      by misscee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:45:38 AM PST

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  •  Just this very moment Cindy, (none)
    ..as I am writing this, NBC local affialiate in DC is reporting that you were arrested because you refused to take off an anti-war shirt. At least they are getting a little closer to the truth. Last night they were saying that you unfurled a banner. Thank you for telling us what really happened.
  •  Prediction (4.00)
    By the time Tim Russert gets to this story on Sunday, it'll be "Cindy Sheehan showed up with a weapon. George W. Bush, sensing the danger, bravely charged Cindy and took her down -- saving everyone in the Capitol."

    Then Russert will ask during the roundtable "John Kerry was in the same House chamber. Why didn't he have the courage to confront Cindy like the President did? Is this one of the reasons Americans don't trust Democrats on national security?"

    The United States of America: We're gonna party like it's (Orwell's) 1984.

    I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn -- Ron Burgundy

    by IndyScott on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:37:55 AM PST

  •  Peace T-shirt arrest story from 2003 (Albany, NY) (4.00)
    As I mentioned in one of the diaries that broke the news of your arrest last night, this wouldn't be the first T-shirt case for the ACLU.
    First Amendment protection is not limited to "pure speech" -- books, newspapers, leaflets, and rallies. It also protects "symbolic speech" -- nonverbal expression whose purpose is to communicate ideas. In its 1969 decision in Tinker v. Des Moines, the Court recognized the right of public school students to wear black armbands in protest of the Vietnam War. In 1989 ( Texas v. Johnson ) and again in 1990 ( U.S. v. Eichman ), the Court struck down government bans on "flag desecration." Other examples of protected symbolic speech include works of art, T-shirt slogans, political buttons, music lyrics and theatrical performances.

    Government can limit some protected speech by imposing "time, place and manner" restrictions. This is most commonly done by requiring permits for meetings, rallies and demonstrations. But a permit cannot be unreasonably withheld, nor can it be denied based on content of the speech. That would be what is called viewpoint discrimination -- and that  is unconstitutional.

    Back in March of 2003, an attorney in the Albany office of the Commission on Judicial Conduct was arrested for wearing a peace T-shirt in a shopping mall here in upstate NY.  

    After local protests and international press coverage of the incident, the charges were dropped. A few months later, the T-shirt went to the state museum.

  •  speak power to the truth as well as truth to power (none)
    you are an inspiration and a true warrior.  It seems a part of our country has become fearful in its comfort and complacency.  so fearful that they are willing to give up everyones rights for the illusion of security and privelege.  I am with you.

    it is our cares which organize the human mind....

    by wildwisefree on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:47:33 AM PST

  •  I honor your courage, Cindy (none)
    ... and your dedication to this cause.  When we emerge from this unholy mess (and we wiil) it will be from your efforts, those on KOS who work so hard at repeatedly shining a light on things hidden in plain sight and all those out here who are not afraid to stand for what we believe.

    I honor your spirit.

  •  Cindy says dont tread on me (none)
    Is it any wonder that we have a hard time trying to figure out what is true and what is not true...Look at the disinformation coming from our media..Its all over the place..One, she displayed a banner, then she was wearing a T shirt. Arrested=not arrested.. Good grief, If our own media gets it wrong then depending on who you are listening to, you will get it wrong..Thats why we are here..We know sometimes its just incompentence on the part of media, sometimes lazyness, sometimes being paid to give us false information..However we will dig until we uncover the truth..Thank you Cindy ..girl you rock..I so appreaciate the suffering you have done on our behalf..You are doing everything you can to make people aware that  MOST americans are not like bush ..Cindy  gives me courage..I need to work harder..Cindy says dont tread on me...
  •  Cindy, get a doctor to look at bruises and (none)
    sprains.  Get them documented.  

    We love you. Thanks for taking such leadership in pointing up the Chimperator's lies and non caring for anyone but his friends and contributors.

    Being liberal means one is for civil liberties, equality, social justice, fairness. ... How can someone be too liberal? Dr. P.Z. Myers

    by maybeeso in michigan on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:54:21 AM PST

  •  you rock...... (4.00)
    Cindy,
       You rock as a mom!!  We all love you!

    Frames not Names!!!!

    by bikko100 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:58:25 AM PST

  •  And this, my friends... (none)
    ...is the real state of our union.

    Sad.

  •  this is heartbreaking (none)
    and nothing like the impression received from the media.

    Arrested for wearing a reality-based shirt.  disgraceful.

    I thought nothing could be worse than the Reagan years. Boy was I wrong.

    by marjo on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:10:01 AM PST

  •  Some of the comments here (4.00)
    You've jumped the shark ... drama queen
    You've gone overboard
    You're a distraction from important issues
    Entirely predictable and counterproductive

    make me angry. You have nothing to apologize for, nothing at all. You have the fundamental right as an American to speak your conscience. Do it.

    Be a headache not just for George, but for anybody who thinks you should be addressing the media their way, or disappear because your 15 minutes are over, or follow some kind of magic long-term tactical schedule, or be oh-so-genteel and do nice interviews.

    You're somewhere between phase two and three of Ghandi's ignoring-laughing-fighting-winning process. It is precisely because you are having an effect that you are getting ridicule from one side and nervous handwringing from the other. I hope you will continue to keep your fight up as long as it feels right to you.

  •  Keep up the good work, Cindy!!!! (none)
    It is ironic that a dog is made to feel welcome in the House of the People but a woman exercising her right to free speech is not.Cindy, you have to run for the Senate...even if the odds of winning are remote.
  •  Keep up the good work, Cindy!!!! (none)
    It is ironic that a dog is made to feel welcome in the House of the People but a woman exercising her right to free speech is not.Cindy, you have to run for the Senate...even if the odds of winning are remote.
  •  Our OWN Party Also Made This Possible (4.00)
    Since a pitcure is worth a thousand words:
  •  The DC Dem Message Machine will (4.00)
    run and hide?

    given these are the high priced political incompetents who couldn't show alito's true colors, who couldn't help murtha out -

    nevermind - you are better off without their "help" anyway.

    you get kicked out for a T-Shirt with some very bad, very sad message...

    these people are really afraid that someone is gonna come out with the right soundbite to finally sink bushco's band of prirates.

    ( and I specifically say "someone" - it sure as hell won't be the DC Dem message crowd.)

    rmm.

    Grassroots Organizing Should Be for The Community, By The Community - NOT for "Leaders" http://www.liemail.com/BambooGrassroots.html

    by rmdSeaBos on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:33:06 AM PST

  •  To war or not to war... (4.00)
    Dear Cindy,

    Thank you for your sacrifice to our nation. Not the country in the grip of neo-con corruption cult, but to the ideals upon which the US was founded. Casey won't have died in vain if we can break the back of militarism and war profiteering in this country. What they do in MSM has nothing to do with what is so. They have become the cheerleaders instead of being the referees.
     I believe your account of the events because:

    1. You were there
    2. The media wasn't, it's all heresay, opinion and hidden agendas
    3. You have nothing to gain

    You however are radioactive. Polarizing even. You and Michael Moore are the poster children of the "Looney Left". The right wing pundits will continue to slander you and the memory of your son as they have since those days in Crawford. The media will assist in your character assasination - all the while remaining fair and balanced.

    Peace in Iraq? This country wants victory. Still. The futility of armed conflict is obscured by buzzwords like "security", "justice" and "national pride". If we can make the argument that security is not fear; justice is not vengeance and national pride is not hubris then the Republicans "War on Terror" will collapse like a house of cards. Then we can pull back the curtain and show the war profiteers for what they are - not patriots- but traitors to the American Way.

    Be strong, we stand with you. Peace.

    Livin' the Murkin Dream!

    by smartinez on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:33:56 AM PST

  •  SUE THE BASTARDS!!!!! (none)
    God Bless cindy, you are a real American. I am proud of you, proud to be on your side
    SUE THE BASTARDS!!! they can't do that!! Take this out of the hands of the Bush Not-So-Secret Police and put it in the courts!!
    You had a ticket gievn to you by a Congresswoman!! They can't keep you out!!
    Sue the Bastards!
    exlrrp

    INVESTIGATE THE CBS PAPERS!!! THEY ARE FEDERAL DOCUMENTS!! Don't let Bush win WITHOUT PROVING A THING!

    by exlrrp on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:35:38 AM PST

  •  Sue Sue (none)
    Sue Sue Sue Sue Sue Sue Sue Sue Sue

    Where do you buy a T shirt like that?
    I want one.

  •  Oh Cindy... (4.00)
    my heart was crying with you when I read this that you wrote:

    After I had my personal items inventoried and my fingers printed, a nice Sgt. came in and looked at my shirt and said, "2245, huh? I just got back from there."

    I told him that my son died there. That's when the enormity of my loss hit me. I have lost my son. I have lost my First Amendment rights. I have lost the country that I love. Where did America go? I started crying in pain.

    What did Casey die for? What did the 2244 other brave young Americans die for? What are tens of thousands of them over there in harm's way for still? For this?

    I know you must have so many moments like this - when it all hits you like a mack truck.  To realize again and again what you've lost.

    I do want you to know that the very first vigil that I went to to support your cause here in NY I was given a to hold that said, "Meet with Cindy"...

    It stays up in the front window of my car.

  •  Good job (none)
    At least you succeeded in upstaging the Liar in Chief yet again.
  •  Go Cindy! (none)
    CNN will be having something on Cindy's arrest in a minute.  Who know's what they'll 'actually' say.  I can bet that Oklahoma's primetime news will spin it as they usually do.  I hate the news here.
  •  "God Bless the U.S.A" [2006 edition] (4.00)
    I do believe it's time for updating the chorus of the Lee Greenwood song "God Bless the U.S.A.", don't you?

    Well, I was proud to be an American
    Where at one time I was free
    But not to challenge the regime
    Who took my son from me
    They demand I sit down
    And mouth the words
    required of me today
    'Cause there ain't no room for no dissent --
    In Bush's U.S.A

  •  Go girl go. (none)
    Cindy please keep up the fight and keep talking and keep motivating us.

    Goog work.

  •  The Capitol isn't a "free speech zone" (none)
    Perhaps you would have had a better reception on the Hill if you'd worn a black trenchcoat and fedora, a la Jack Abramoff. Thank you for being a great American and taking the fight for peace and justice to the Masters of War.

    --redglare

    http://redglare.blogspot.com

    by redglare on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:52:52 AM PST

  •  The SOTU isn't a place for protest (2.90)
    I am sure I will be troll rated into next week for saying this, but I don't appreciate Ms. Sheehan's efforts at disrupting the State of the Union address.  I don't think the State of the Union Address is a place where protests should be tolerated and I don't believe her actions will be well received by anyone who doesn't already agree with us about Iraq, etc.  

    This was a thinly vieled publicity stunt and it does nothing to help our cause.  Honestly, what did Ms. Sheehan expect to happen when she wore that T-shirt?    I hope Democratic officials will denouce Ms. Sheehan's actions because they don't reflect well upon our party.

    Oh by the way, which one's pink? -R. Waters

    by Blue Neponset on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:57:49 AM PST

    •  It was a peaceful protest. (4.00)
      Guess Martin Luther King should not have disrupted the nice racist lives of Selma Alabama, either.
    •  Do you have any children? (4.00)
      The reason why I ask this is that I have a two year old son.  If my son was to die in a war of choice that I did not agree with, I don't know what I would do.  I probably would be even more aggressive than Cindy Sheehan has been.  I would have been the angriest mother on the planet.  I would have done EVERYTHING I could do so another mother would not have to go through the pain and suffering I had gone through.
    •  Don't reflect well? (2.33)
      You disgust me. You sicken me. You're the kind of person that doesn't reflect well on HUMANITY. Read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution and get your head out of dubbya's colon pow-wow.

      We're off to see the liberal the wizardly liberal D-kos we hear he is a lib-er-al wiz if ever a liberal blogged

      by phelander on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:17:36 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Next thing you know Bush will be arresting (4.00)
      Dems who refuse to stand up and clap on cue," to protest"  his more ridiculous  SOTU lines, or even worse [horrors/ throw the traitors in jail],  actually boo/hoot when Bush lets fly a particularly mendacious SOTU howler.

      If you will recall, the gingrich repugs did regularly let loose loud raspberries during Clinton's SOTU addresses.

    •  If a T shirt is protest (none)

      Let's wage a bet -- if she had worn a Bush Greatest President Evah! shirt, would she have been bounced or not?
      •  If it was President Gore (none)
        and a republican invitee from 'operation rescue' was hauled out for wearing an anti-abortion t-shirt to te event would Kossacks complain? I certainly wouldn't.
        •  I would... (4.00)
          If a Gooper in Cong gave a gallery pass to someone who wore a shirt listing the # of abortions on it, that person would be entitled to the protections of the 1st Amendment.  If you won't support basic civil liberties for others, you undermine civil liberties for yourself.

          Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

          by RFK Lives on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:40:27 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Gee, well they (none)
      certainly fell for her ploy and got her plenty of media attention didn't they?  What if they had just ignored her?  She wasn't yelling, she wasn't jumping up and down, she wasn't unfurling a banner.  Ignoring her would have been real easy.  It is not her fault that they are predictable, fearful idiots, is it?
    •  You might have been right if.. (4.00)
      The entire SOTU was not a largestaged political theatrical production, with families who lost a son/husband that AGREED with Bush, and with purple fingers, and marionettes in the front row rising and sitting as though they had only one brain stem among them.  Cindy Sheehan only wors a shirt, and it's no different than Supreme Court Justices rising and applauding on statements that they may be ruling on next year.  Do you think that the Democratic Congresspeople rising to cheer their stopping the Bush assault on social security was inappropriate?  Must we back out of the hall so that our back side never faces the King?

      Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

      by StrayCat on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:15:04 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Blue, it does help our cause (none)
      Look, it knocked Bush's PR stunt right out of the news.  How come nobody understands?  How come everybody wants to ask the wrong questions?

      In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

      by yet another liberal on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:13:39 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Mike Weight.... (none)
    Tyranny would not be possible without the sincere effort of folks like him.  Maybe he'll get a raise.

    "Patriotism flourishes in the rear echelon."--Alexander Solzhenitsyn

    by Fantomas71 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:59:02 AM PST

  •  Dearest Cindy, (4.00)
    Coretta Scott King, Martin Luther King, Mahatma Gandhi and Jesus Christ himself looked down and blessed your peaceful protest as you were led from the halls of power in handcuffs.
  •  Thank You Cindy (none)
    Thank you for working so hard helping to keep this administration accountable.
    Thank you for keeping the soldiers foremost in our hearts and minds.
    And now, thank you for fighting for our first amendment rights.
    Thank you for more than we can ever repay you for.

    When did free speech become "unlawful conduct"?
    Especially when that free speech is a simple statement of fact, in of itself, independent of support or criticism.

  •  Once again, you've done a great thing (none)
    Maybe you're used to that by now, Cindy, but you continue to amaze me.  You generate such an impact with the simplest of actions.  

    Every time I witness this, you make me ponder the sense of helplessness I and, obviously, many other people have come to feel.  Just because you don't shrink before the bullying and the bullshit, they flounder.  

    I know what you do takes huge reserves of courage and resolve.  You have my respect as well as my thanks.  And for all the sadness that makes your work necessary, your smarts never fail to make me smile.

    "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

    by KateCrashes on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:04:03 AM PST

  •  They just talked about it on CNN (none)
    They talked about freedom of speech.
  •  Rhetorical questions (4.00)
    When will any of the fair and balanced US MSM press  interview Ms Sheehan and print her side of this SOTU arrest story?

    Why have all of the press reports  I have seen so far, completely avoided reporting the exact phrase ["2245 Dead. How many more?"] on her tee-shirt, instead universally choosing to describing it vaguely as  "an anti-war slogan" ?

    The stated penalty for Cindy Sheehan silently wearing this tee-shirt at SOTU, according to press stories, is up to one year in prison.

  •  Oh Cindy (none)
    How much they have taken from you.  How much from all of us.
  •  I've Gotta Say This (2.11)
    You were out of line.  Period.  The SOTU address was not an appropriate place for a protest by a private citizen.  Period.  You were a guest in the Capitol and abused that priviledge.
    •  You are ignorant. Period. Exclamation Point. (1.63)
      You are what is wrong with the country and it's citizens today. How disgusting you are, like a flesh eating fungus. Please relieve us of yourself in the messiest way possible.

      We're off to see the liberal the wizardly liberal D-kos we hear he is a lib-er-al wiz if ever a liberal blogged

      by phelander on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:23:29 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Like it or not (3.00)
        that is precisely how this incident is going to play with a lot of Americans. The very same Americans who need to be convinced that the Iraq war was a terrible mistake and that GWB is incapable of governing the United States. Americans who's votes democrats need if they are ever to impeach Bush and Cheney for their crimes.

        Hell, even I think it was inappropriate and I am by no means a Bush supporter.

        •  You sir, are also an apologist. (2.12)
          Thank God the kind of person you are didn't succeed in talking down the merits of other rights movements and leaders.

          Go on, give up your freedoms now, you puke, you don't deserve them.

          We're off to see the liberal the wizardly liberal D-kos we hear he is a lib-er-al wiz if ever a liberal blogged

          by phelander on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:36:58 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  whether or not you feel it's inappropriate (none)
          It makes news.  You people all miss the point of Civil Disobedience.

          Who's disagreeing with you that it's inappropriatte?  Of course it is!  How else are you going to get people's attention?

          Instead of considering the net EFFECT of her actions you choose to worry about whether it's right or wrong to protest the SOTU.

          You aren't measuring her actions with the correct questions.

          In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

          by yet another liberal on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:53:45 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  The maxim (none)
            "It doesn't matter what they say about you as long as they say something" might work for Hollywood but I am not sure that it works in politics (at least not with an issue that is already a part of the national discourse).
            •  man (3.00)
              I think you need to think about this some more.  The Iraq war is ongoing and your personal opinions do not politics make.

              Maybe you don't have children, because man, I'm telling you, parents understand where Cindy is coming from.

              And dude, this ain't just discourse, her son was killed, do you understand, killed, and it didn't have to be that way.

              And how you fall back on some "Hollywood" argument is really lame.  You haven't thought this through, that is clear.

              In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

              by yet another liberal on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:44:34 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  You're the one (none)
                who said it was an act of civil disobedience designed to get peoples attention. I am simply saying that if that's the case then I don't think it was a good one because bad publicity can be worse than no publicity.
      •  Yes (3.00)
        Clearly it is terrible for me to desire a certain amount of decorum in our politics.
    •  what???? (4.00)
      What kind of bizarre garbage is this?  The State of the Union is the president's opportunity to address the citizens of the U.S., for whom s/he works ... we are the electors, remember?  It's our government. This isn't supposed to be an oligarchy that permits members of the great unwashed to attend their special functions as a act of generosity.  Cindy Sheehan had every right to wear whatever she wanted to the SOTU speech, as long as she did not expose herself.  She didn't yell or heckle or wave around a poster or behave in any threatening or inappropriate manner.  She merely wore a T-shirt, for goodness sake, that asked "how many more?"  

      Does this mean that in ten years time if I go to the SOTU address wearing a T-shirt that says "Wild Woman" or "Glamour Mom" or "Greenpeace" or "Save the Children" or "Long Live the Goddess" and someone takes this to mean that I am anti-govt or anti-Christian or anti-family or something, that it is okay to arrest me?  Think of the implications!

      May all beings be free from fear.

      by shakti on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:38:02 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  The Congress (none)
        The Congress is a place for your elected representatives to speak, not you.  That's not to say that we don't have the right to petition our representatives...of course we do.  But because we have a republican form of government, debate within the chamber of that government IS restricted to those people we have chosen to speak FOR us.
        •  I think you need to revisit the vision for the U.S (none)
          ... as articulated by the founding fathers.  They did not believe that the only appropriate time and place for citizens to express themselves was at the polls, which is what you are suggesting.  What if, like now, our representatives are not representing us?  What then?  I am quite sure that Franklin, Jefferson, and the rest would be very comfortable with the expression of peaceful, dignified, hate-free views anytime, anywhere.  

          Freedom.  Remember?  Freedom.  

          May all beings be free from fear.

          by shakti on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:27:12 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  No (none)
            You misrepresent what I am saying, I fear.  My point is that we do NOT have the right to speak before our representative organs (unless of course we are invited to do so).  That is WHY we have representative bodies...our system of government is based on the notion that the men and women we elect to represent us will act in our interests.
    •  If silently wearing a piece of clothing with a (4.00)
      harmless not-hate free speech phrase, objectionable to a few, is now considered a crime under the Bush regime, then why weren't the many congresscritters in that hall who wore horribly repellent ties and terrible clashing clothing not also arrested?
    •  Bull shit. (3.00)
      How you draw that conclusion from Cindy's account and the photographic evidence is beyond me.

      Can I humbly suggest you grow a spine?

  •  The Onion (4.00)
    Every time I read these "evicted" or "arrested" for wearing a t-shirt stories, they seem tailor made to have originated in the Onion. Its almost unbelievable people can be arrested for doing nothing other than wearing a t-shirt. I bet if the shirt said "I [heart] Bush" it would be OK. And therein lies the rub: If merely the content of the shirt is the cause of the arrest, as long as it doesn't contain profanity, its an abridgement of the 1st amendment.

    Me, I want a million people on The Mall wearing Don't Tread on Me t-shirts.

    •  talking point (none)
      The talking point is that this is the "freedom" that George W. Bush keeps bringing up.


      "Everyone should go back to Africa, especially black people." -- Richard Pryor

      by COBear on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:42:41 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Mandatory dress code for the SOTUS? (none)
      Even if it was a matter of the content of the t-shirt, but simply that the person was under-dressed, ejecting a person for the latter is still arbitrary and unlawful, an act of suppression characteristic of tyrannies.

      A dress code is one thing in a private space, since you are in that space at the discretion of the owner. Congress is a public space, the seat of our democracy in fact. Since it is a public space, normal standards of clothing apply (e.g., no nudity). Since we are nation of laws, any further standards would require a law saying what you can and cannot wear in Congress or at the SOTUS. I am aware of no such law. (This is not to say that we may not frown upon people for dressing inappropriately. But the penalty for that can only be social disaproval, not the use of the state's monopoly on violence, i.e., arrest.)

      This is a further example of how the federal government, and the presidency in particular, is not seen as a democratic political institution, but on the model of a state church.

      The difference between a liberal and a progressive is that a progressive thinks for himself, but a liberal lets the Republicans do his thinking for him.

      by Alexander on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:10:11 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  that reminds me of Larry Flynt (4.00)
        I remember in the movie he showed up at the SCOTUS wearing a "Fuck this court" t-shirt. In searching to see if this was fact or fiction, I came across this SCOTUS Case:


        Freedom of expression

        "In 1971, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the mere public display of fuck is protected under the First and Fourteenth Amendments and cannot be made a criminal offense. In 1968, Paul Robert Cohen had been convicted of "disturbing the peace" for wearing a jacket with "FUCK THE DRAFT" on it (which was to do with conscription in the Vietnam War.) The conviction was upheld by the Court of Appeals and overturned by the Supreme Court. Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971)."

        "Pornographer Larry Flynt, representing himself before the U.S. Supreme Court in 1983 in a libel case, shouted, "Fuck this court!" during the proceedings and called the justices "nothing but eight assholes and a token cunt." Chief Justice Warren E. Burger had him arrested for contempt of court but the charge was later dismissed."


  •  You speak for me (4.00)
    And I have your back too!  I wept when I read how you questioned where has the country you loved gone, for I have said the same thing, repeatedly.  I live with my guilt for encouraging my son to sign up in 2000, for I thought my country was noble enough to deserve his service.  He is a Senior Airman now and quite safe from deployment-has had major surgery last year, another one coming in 12 days, but that does not ease my fear for every other mother's son or daughter.  Love you Cindy.  
     
  •  I don't understand (none)

    I don't understand. Cindy says she wasn't asked to "cover it up", but would have if she had been.

    The news reports say she was asked.

    How is this the issue?

    Is there a rule about what T-shirts you are allowed to wear?  (Perhaps on the ticket?) Perhaps something about obscene language?

    If so, how could that rule possibly be phrased so as to exclude Cindy's shirt?

    Forgive me if this has been addressed above. Please just direct me to info on this.

  •  Welcome to . . . (4.00)

    .
    The Soviet States of Amerika

     The Red States won, indeed.

    BenGoshi
    __________________

    We're working on many levels here. Ken Kesey

    by BenGoshi on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:27:50 AM PST

  •  Cindy if they are that scared of a t-shirt I think (4.00)
    you are having an impact. I mean it looks like people have lost confidence in him and HIS war. So when they wet their pants over a t-shirt I know they are afraid. Thank you and God bless you and Casey
  •  Fight the fight: (none)

    I've got your back.

    Although your pain is deeply personal, it touches me in ways I cannot easily express. I have chosen sides in these matters, define them as you will.

    I stand with you to fight, to get knocked down only to stand another day: we must take back our country . These "Ruling Bastards" must be held accountable

    I donated to ePluribus Media; kindly join me: "I participate therefore I am...."

    by libby on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:31:43 AM PST

  •  A hug (none)
    Keep on, Cindy.
  •  Love & Light, Cindy (none)
  •  A Sad Day for Freedom of Speech (4.00)
    The fact that there is so little outrage about this incident, and so little coverage of it in the MSM, shows just how far our nation's democratic principles have eroded since 9/11.  Bushco has succeeded in its strategy of scaring people so much that they are willing to give up vital freedoms and liberties in exchange for the illusion of "keeping us safe."  

    If the incident happened exactly as Cindy has described it, they clearly had no legal justification to remove her.  Once we start debating which words and phrases can and cannot be on a person's t-shirt, we've already started down a slippery slope in losing some of our freedoms.  One person might be offended by words on her t-shirt, but others will applaud them.  If Cindy were trying to disrupt the speech by yelling and screaming, unfurling a banner, etc., then they could remove her.  But being removed - and arrested! - just because some people disagree with the words on her t-shirt is very, very scary to me.

    •  I say we (none)
      force them to cover it in the MSM. We at least have to try. I am sending a letter to my local newspaper. I am also going to get my friends to. The more people they hear from on a subject the more likely they are to print something, even if it is just a letter to the editor.
      Cindy is right we need to stand up together and take our rights back!

      Spies, Cries, and Lies: Brought to you by the Republican Party

      by Whitney S on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:13:24 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Are you (none)
    hassled at airports? Are you on the no-fly list yet? How long before they add you to that list, with 80,000 others?

    Folks, we may have to set up the automotive equivalent of a telephone tree soon: Relays of drivers to get people like Cindy across and around the country when they are denied access to air travel.

    And do it while wearing protest T-shirts.

    The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

    by Mnemosyne on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:49:55 AM PST

  •  The Constitution is dead (none)
    Cindy: Welcome to Communist Russia,Fascist Italy,Nazi Germany,and the dictatorship known as Bushevik World. Scant reporting on the so-called "liberal media". This sucks and is affront to the 1st Amendment.Oops,I'm sorry the 1st Amendment doesn't count anymore,nor does the whole Constitution.To hell with Tweety,Wolffie,Nitwitty and Rushie.Time to blow the doors off the media cabal and take back our damn country from these swine and pigs!!!!!!
  •  Dearest Cindy, (4.00)
    Next time you are on Capitol Hill,

    Will you please arrive with enough Army sign-up sheets for all the children of the congressional chickenhawks and leave them under the doors of the congress people so their children can "stand with the troops?"

  •  hello Cindy (none)
    We heard a blurb on the radio during the lie packed speech about a 'protester' from the mouths of ignorance.  Mike Weight arrested the wrong person and missed the lawless one at the podium.  
    George and Dick dodged the draft so their mommas' wouldn't have to grieve as you have and are and they wouldn't experience PTSD or lose a limb, or have their face burned horribly and all those things.  If the country did have morals, there would be a draft, and these lawless leaders would be home counting their money a year ago.  So they dodged the draft in vietnam thru hook or thru crook and they dodged the draft in 2003 to avoid getting killed in the political battlefield.  Their base would have surely slaughtered them and they know it. Do the dems realize this?

    Would a man of God sow the seeds of hate and then continue to cultivate his crop?

    by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:09:21 AM PST

  •  god damn (none)
    God damn thought police, now we are arrested for crimes we "MIGHT" commit? WTF is this.

    I can see being taking out if she started yelling obscenities at the dear leader or something, but all she did was sit down. WTF.

  •  Arrest those Senators! (none)
    Let me get this straight. Cindy was arrested on the charge of "unlawful conduct" for "demonstrating inside the Capitol"--by sitting and wearing a t-shirt with the US body count from Iraq.

    If this is so, didn't the Democrats demonstrate inside the Capital? In a much louder and more active way when they stood and cheered the defeat of Bush's Social Security Privatization plan?

  •  Thank GOD for CINDY (4.00)
    Cindy -

    BRAVO! You seem to be one of the few that challenges Bush.  After SOTU, it was sickening to hear Chris Matthews ask Howard Dean "How do you feel about Cindy Sheehan being the face of the Democratic Pary?  Is she stealing your limelight?"  How DARE he.  He used to be the only media voice questioning this administration and now seems to have been paid off.  The SOTU was disgusting, and almost as disgusting as the Democratic response.  No one defended you or your actions.  It is repulsive.  The Democrats need to be slapped and woken up.  BAND TOGETHER.  PROTECT YOUR OWN.  Keep up your good work, Cindy.  

  •  Are we in Communist China? (4.00)
    I swear, the way this Administration screens people to make sure they are members of the communist, I mean Republican, party in order to attend George W. Bush and Dick Cheney events makes me sick at my stomach. Hell, you could have been having a medical condition for all that overzealous security guy knew - to drag you out on your heels because you wanted to cool down a bit after getting to your seet in the bird's nest of the Capitol is shameful.

    I agree, Cindy - we need to take our country back. By any means necessary - we can't allow our freedoms to be stripped away any more than they already have. This is not Communist China, and we should not allow the Republicans to turn it into Communist China with wiretaps on Americans, preferred organizations (churches) getting money for AIDS prevention policies that are totally ineffective (abstinence? Are you kidding me? Bush, have you seen what kids dress like these days?), and lies about a war that was started based on lies from an enemy state (Iran) that fooled our leaders into believing WMD existed in Iraq.

    Shame on Americans for being so passive while their Constitution is being ripped to pieces and freedoms stepped on. I thought we had more fight in us as a country.

  •  You missed a dull speech (4.00)
    by all accounts.

    We're all pretty crazy some way or other; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is just a setting on my dryer.

    by david78209 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:25:02 AM PST

    •  LOL (none)
      no kidding..but if Cindy had to miss it...I think it'd have been better if she'd been somewhere OTHER than in lock-up.. :-\

      It is amazing how much can be accomplished when you don't care who gets the credit - Harry Truman
      PoliticalCompass Scale: -2.13, -2.97

      by floundericiousMI on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:27:47 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Beverly Young also ejected for wearing T shirt (4.00)
    St Petersberg Times is reporting that Beverly Young, wife of US Rep C.W. Bill Young of Indian Shores was ejected from the House gallery during SOTU speech for wearing a t-shirt that said "Support the Troops- Defending Our Freedom"

    Mrs. Young was not arrested despite arguing "very colorfully" with the officers ejecting her.  Her hubby was furious and said "This is not acceptable."

    Ya know, I kinda agree with him.

    http://www.sptimes.com/...

    •  Perfect example of how a Police State (4.00)
      starts ..

      This woman is the wife of a Republican Congressman.

      The logic used?

      "If we have to eject Cindy Sheehan, we have to eject you".

      There's your 'equal opportunity Nazis' at work.

      That is incredible.

      Young's husband, a Republican who chairs the House appropriations subcommittee on defense, was unaware she was removed until after the speech. He said he was furious about the incident.

      "I just called for the chief of police and asked him to get his little tail over here," Rep. Young said late Tuesday. "This is not acceptable."

      Beverly Young said, "Wait until the president finds out."

      And that, my friends, is laughable.

      "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty, soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

      by shpilk on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:05:21 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  But NOT arrested (none)
      Very interesting.

      Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on. --Winston Churchill

      by rmwarnick on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:16:54 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  This happened after (none)
      Cindy was ejected.  Part of the explanation for Ms. Young's ejection was that they had ejected Cindy.

      Ms. Young's defense of her t-shirt, btw, was that it wasn't a "protest" t-shirt at all and that anyone who thought it was had to be an idiot.

  •  Respectfully disagree (3.22)
    1. I wish Cindy hadn't worn the shirt.  Then she would have been there, with the cameras on her, like everybody else.  Her presense would have been enough of a statement, and her mature behavior would have been a source of irritation to the Republicans.  And the talking heads would have had nothing to smear her with.

    2. Bush could have used what happened to his immense advantage.  He could have raised his approval rating 8-10 points by saying, in the middle of his speech, "Our freedoms include the right to free speech.  I understand someone was removed from the gallery tonight.  I'd like her brought back in here."  (Applause, excitement, Cindy is led back to her seat.)  Bush continues, "The right to speak your mind is important, and I welcome all points of view" or some crap.  If she showed the shirt again, he could say, "That's a tragic number all right, and that's why we cannot abandon our mission, so that those brave Americans did not die in vain."  Pandemonium.  Thank God he -- or Rove -- did not think of that.

    3. Allowing visible protests would turn the thing into a circus.  That's why, wisely, they don't allow them.  If the situation were reversed, would you really want to see "Abortion kills" and "If this president is the answer, it must be a stupid question" etc. t-shirts all over the place while your president was speaking?  No, you wouldn't.

    There is a time and a place for everything.  In my opinion, the SOTU is not the place to have people upstaging the president, any president.  Sometimes we Democrats forget that if and when we return to office, our attitudes toward the office will change.  We run the risk of being hypocrites then.
    •  The president ain't God or a king, (4.00)
      he works for us, not the other way around.
    •  my poor eyes (4.00)
      Look, you're not understanding.

      You'ld have GWB say this:

      "Our freedoms include the right to free speech.  I understand someone was removed from the gallery tonight.  I'd like her brought back in here."  (Applause, excitement, Cindy is led back to her seat.)

      You are smoking crack.  What is this?  The GWB from an alternate universe?  WTF?

      Now can I ask you, since Cindy should act "mature" according to you HOW FUCKING MATURE IS A WAR OF CHOICE?

      And notice too, #1, the talking heads would have nothing to smear her with.  So you're afraid of them.

      Fuck, smear her with the fucking blood of 2200 dead soldiers.  How about thousands of amputees?  How about 10's of thousands of slaughtered Iraqi's?

      Here, listen:

      How many times can a man look up
       before he can see the sky?
      How many ears must one man have
       before he can hear people cry?
      How many deaths will it take till he knows
       that too many people have died?
      The answer my friend is blowing in the wind
      The answer is blowing in the wind

      In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

      by yet another liberal on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:52:13 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Wearing the shirt is protected... (4.00)
      by the 1st Amendment.  This case is on all fours w/ Cohen v. California.  The fact that they escorted Bill Young's wife out b/c she had a pro-war shirt does show consistency, but it also shows a lack of respect for the Constitution.

      If you honestly think that W would've even considered inviting her back in, you must've been engaging in the kinds of activities that he engaged in during his youth.  The man has no tolerance for disagreement or dissent.  He has made that fact abundantly clear in word and in deed for over 5 years now.

      For purely political reasons, I suspect that the WH will take steps to mollify Bill Young and his wife.  Somehow, I suspect that they won't do the same for Cindy Sheehan.  If my suspicions are proven correct, I'll be curious to see your reaction then.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:53:46 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Clarifying (none)
      I think it's outrageous that she was arrested, and I hope she sues and wins.  I don't think it's outrageous that she was ejected, though.

      Of course it's unlikely in the extreme that Bush would have invited her back in -- but he is in the low 30s as the election year kicks off.  They need something.  It would have been a turning point for them had he done it, is all I'm saying.  Thankfully they are too proud and authoritarian for that to have occurred to them in time.  But there's no doubt in my mind he could have bumped his approval ratings a fair amount by doing that.

      And no, Bush is not the model of maturity, and nor is his terrible, tragic war.  But that has nothing to do with my opinions.

      As for fear of the talking heads, it's not so much fear as not wanting to feed the sharks.

      I think Cindy's terrific, and I'm sorry that this has happened to her.  But I hope it's okay to have a spectrum of opinions here about tactics.

    •  Are you new here? (4.00)
      If you can imagine the president responding spontaneously with anything other than biting sarcasm, you have a richer fantasy life than I do.

      The thing you need to catch is this: Cindy, whether she knew it or not, stole a page from the Rove play book. She took an opponent's strength and turned it into satire. The story is no longer about any shred of presidential gravitas, it's about running from a middle aged mom.

      •  Hmmm (none)
        No, I'm not new, except to commenting.  Lurker since mid-04.

        I really don't think a t-shirt is from Rove's play book.  I don't see how she's going after his strength -- at all.  Murtha, now there's someone going after Bush's strength.  Nor do I understand how a number on a t-shirt qualifies as satire.  What I do think is the emotions are extremely elevated on our side, and a lot of people here seem so overwhelmed by indignation that a t-shirt protest is somehow decreed to be brilliantly clever, or even saintly, whereas middle America, which the Democrats have to go after between now and election day, likely sees such a display largely as par for the course for "those disrespectful protestors and agitators."  Far from satire, I think the ploy last night only helps the Republicans refine their image of her as cartoonish.  I am not disrespecting her, not saying she's a cartoon -- but they are, and protesting, getting arrested yet again, yadda yadda, only plays into their frame.  I may be wrong.  It wouldn't be the first time.

        •  I was being sarcastic (none)
          This is a successful liberal example of what the GOP tries to do all the time, diminishing the stature of a president. It worked because Sheehan played to the truth: Bush is not a genuine statesman, he is an insecure bully who isn't big enough to listen to a regular person.
  •  How can we win the "war" on terrorism (4.00)
    when Dear Leader is afraid of a mother wearing a t-shirt?
  •  freepers have freeped the poll (none)
    If you haven't already, "kos" this MSNBC poll, which the freepi are now winning, saying that, no, we don't have freedom of speech in Murka today.
  •  Cindy (none)
    I am so ashamed of my fucking country because of this.  all this.  fucking ashamed.  Listen, i don't know what i can do to help you, but damn it, i will help raise money to help you sue their fucking asses into the 23rd century.  

    this story need to get out there.  

    god bless you, Cindy, and thank you for your courage.  

  •  Why not arrest all the politicians wearing those (4.00)
    little American flag lapel pins and yellow ribbon pins and other symbols of their ideology in the halls of Congress?  Really, what's the difference?

    Cindy's shirt was simple and factual.  It frightens me that someone in the United States could be arrested for wearing a shirt like that at a political speech.

    And make no mistake--it was a political speech.  Bush not only used the speech to push his own agenda, he also used it as a springboard political stump speech for '06 right off the bat.  It's not as if this event is purely informational.

    I can't for the life of me imagine what is wrong with someone sitting quietly wearing a shirt with a simple factual statement on it.  Seriously, please explain to me how that is disruptive?  Anyone?

    •  You're right (none)

      Visualize Impeachment

      by TomB on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:52:29 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Exactly (none)
      What if someone was wearing a "GAP" shirt?  A tasteful collared shirt with a Washington Redskins logo?  Would these statements of support for some entity or other constitute an arrestable offense?  Where exactly is the line drawn, and who gets to decide?  Judges?  No, some goons who haul you out on the spot by making a snap decision.  Making a threatening move is one thing, because there is no time for a judge, but choice of apparel?  Hmmmm.
  •  WE SUPPORT YOU CINDY!!! (none)
    People need to see the true state of democracy and our civil liberties in America today! You performed a heroic service on Tuesday!
  •  We all stand behind you (none)
    Know that our hopes and prayers go with you.  

    As for the rest of us ... as the story slowly changes in the media, it falls on us to help keep it focused on where it belongs, that the President seems to be more scared of unfriendly t-shirts than that results of his misguided policies.

    oh by the way --- go freep the hell out of this one.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...

    I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.

    by Todd42873 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:44:34 AM PST

  •  eya cindy, (none)
    *

    an effort well made

    revealing for us the truth

    about protest here

    *

    your sons spirit

    is watching somewhere

    and applauding with all of us.

  •  Will any Dem Rep or Senator demand... (none)
    that Bush apologize for this incident? Bush has said repeatedly that people have a right to express disagreement with his view of the war. But actions speak louder than words.

    This arbitrary and unlawful arrest has shown us the true State of the Union, incomparably more than anything Bush said in his speech. I hope that Dem politicians would say as much in their response to that speech, but I'm not holding my breath.

    The difference between a liberal and a progressive is that a progressive thinks for himself, but a liberal lets the Republicans do his thinking for him.

    by Alexander on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:48:55 AM PST

  •  I heard Miles O'Brien on (none)
    CNN correct the outrageously partisan Soledad O'Brien. Maybe her vantage point outside the Capitol this morning subjected her to pure Republican Spin. But Miles refered to a statement by you he said was posted at Michael Moore's site, and it was not very complete. I switched channels and heard an outrageous attack on you (going there in order to get arrested, shame), I think from Senator Kyl. The simple task of setting the record straight must not let up. Thank you, Cindy.
  •  Just a Reminder of Bush's Powers and Our Rights (none)
    The Presidential Oath of Office Directly From The Constitution:

    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    Bill Of Rights, Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Need I Say More !

  •  I will gladly contribute to... (none)
    any fund that is established to finance any litigation that you bring as a result of this event.  I will gladly assist your attorneys in any way possible.  I will gladly donate if you choose to mount a primary challenge against Dianne Feinstein.  There really isn't much more to be said at this moment except to join you in mourning what has been done to our Constitution.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:56:45 AM PST

  •  You're right, we have lost our country (none)
    I don't know about you all, but when am in DC I feel totally watched and under suspicion. You're right, Cindy; DC sucks. It's become BushWorld.

    NYT: "All the news that's fit to pimp."

    by Exclamation Point Brian on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:58:06 AM PST

  •  Oh My God (none)
    This is truly the most frightening thing I have heard so far, in the systematic stripping away of our rights.  If they had told you to cover the T-shirt and you had refused, they would have at least had a premise for removing you (thought NOT for arresting you).  I hope you sue the bastards.  This must be stopped.

    Our troops won the war. Bush lost the peace.

    by snazzzybird on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:00:25 AM PST

  •  The great ones before you had a hard time, too. (4.00)
    Cindy

    First, thank you for being there.  Your mere presence was the only dignified thing about the SOTU.  Once you were taken out, oh well.  

    Here is something to keep in mind:  nothing can bring your son back, and none of us will forget that is what brought you to where you are today.  I am so sorry.  And now here you are, the voice of reason, regret and compassion.  No matter how forceful or clever the Bush team thinks it is, they can't get rid of you and they can't buy you off (and I bet they start trying in the not so distant future).  

    And not to be trite, but keep 3 other people in mind:

    MLK
    Muhammed Ali
    Bob Dylan

    MLK clearly is the most serious of that list, but they all faced the same thing you are facing:  an out-of-touch media that either did not like them or did not know what to do with them, and consequently made their lives all the harder.  

    MLK initially did not want to lead the Civil Rights movement, and caught flack from both the media and fellow clergy.

    Ali was considered brash, unpatriotic, and "bad for Boxing".

    Dylan dealt with an older press that felt he had no talent and was a punk kid who should know his place and explain himself on command.  

    All 3 perservered, and all 3 are now classic American icons.  That is where you (and Casey) are headed - stay the course.  

    There are 400 comments in this post already.  You know you have support in whatever you need or whatever you choose to do.  

    Your son did not die in vain, and you clearly have not lived in vain.  

    There is no reaching George W Bush, but he ignores you at his own peril ultimately.  The middle of the rode folks are the ones who will start hearing you.  Then you have something (namely midterm elections, hearings and impeachment - that is where we are going).  

    Study Dr. King - take his wisdom and make it your own.

    Oh, and nice going last night.  

    God be with you and your family,
    Tug

    George W Bush - Plame Duck President

    by T u g on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:01:54 AM PST

  •  Run for Senate! (none)
    Cindy,

      Please challenge DiFi in the coming election.

      Whether you win or lose, you will bring lots of attention to all of these issues that are so important to all Americans.

  •  Corruption (none)
    Cindy,

    Sorry for your loss.

    The root of all evil is corruption and probably the reason for The Iraq invasion. Follow the money and use corruption in your argument.

    http://getalifes.blogspot.com/

  •  Someday (none)
    It'll be Bush they're taking out in handcuffs. Of that I'm certain. Hopefully we'll all be alive to see it.
  •  I Support You! (none)
    Cindy,

    I have a brother-in-law in Iraq that I worry for each day and night, and I first want to thank you for having the courage to speak for so many of us that feel as you do.

    I am so upset, frightened and angry over your arrest last night.  How can one be arrested for making a truthful statement (whether seemingly political or not)in the People's House?  Is this NOT the place to express our opinions?  Are we no longer able to speak our minds wherever we wish?  Do I now live in a country where wearing the wrong article of clothing becomes "unlawful conduct?"

    May God bless you, Cindy, for all that you have done for both the peace movement and for giving further creedence to the need for open debate on people's rights within this great country.  Our great Constitution is being shredded before our very eyes, and most of our nation sits blissfully unaware of our eroding rights and liberties.

    It is a disgrace to all the blood that has been shed to defend freedom and liberty around the world.  It is a slap in the face to our military, who lay their lives on the line to attempt to bring democracy to a foreign land, while such in their own land is crumbling in the hands of their current government.  

    Right now, I'm most interested in asking why NO MEMBER OF CONGRESS stood up and defended your right to free speech when you were being hauled out.  If that is true, I can only conclude that NO ONE within that chamber speaks for us, the people, and our rights.

    Keep fighting the good fight, Cindy.  You have all my support and appreciation.  THANK YOU!

    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell

    by Troubled on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:06:39 AM PST

  •  Who's lying? (none)
    Police: "She was asked to cover it up. She did not," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, U.S. Capitol Police spokeswoman, adding that Sheehan was arrested for unlawful conduct, a misdemeanor.

    Cindy: "I had just sat down and I was warm from climbing 3 flights of stairs back up from the bathroom so I unzipped my jacket. I turned to the right to take my left arm out, when the same officer saw my shirt and yelled; "Protester." He then ran over to me, hauled me out of my seat and roughly (with my hands behind my back) shoved me up the stairs. I said something like "I'm going, do you have to be so rough?" By the way, his name is Mike Weight."

  •  You could have worn black and they would (none)
    have thrown you out for not being bright enough...it wasn't about your shirt...they were looking for an excuse to throw you out before the speech began...remember, bush is afraid to be anywhere near you.

    Ironically, FOX was the only station to mention that you were even there before the SOU started (I channel-flipped until asshole came in, then stuck with C-SPAN for the coverage).  Brit Hume simply said, "Well, we'll see how that plays itself out." in regard to you...fucking asshole.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right

    by darthstar on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:08:04 AM PST

  •  Fight back with MORE T-Shirts (none)
    Cindy said she got her shirt from veterans for peace...here's their website:

    http://veteransforpeace.org

    bumpersticker:

    IMPEACH BUSH bumpersticker here:
    http://www.cafepress.com/...

    Shirts, etc
    LOTS of other people's antiBush shirts & stuff here:
    http://www.cafepress.com/...
    (TONS of cool ideas...check it out)

    PS...no, I'm not making any money off this

    great diary here with a TON of useful email addresses:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

  •  Who is Mike Weight. (none)
    Did he show any credentials, is he Secret Service ,employed by any law enforcement agency or is he a Republican party operative or "private contractor". This needs to be looked into.

    "Never give up, Never Surrender."

    by irate on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:08:32 AM PST

  •  To Cindy, in support (none)
    I believe what you are doign is right. Keep your resolve, in spite of what the hate mongers throw at you. By your simple presence, you have made them fearful, and this in itself, is a major achievement on your part.
    Your arrest has done more good than if they had let you sit through the address. In affect, you won by losing.
    I realize how hard it is to remain balanced in the center of a hurricane, and I admire your strength for staying grounded and keeping focused on what really matters.
    Keep being your self, and know there are thousands who will be your strength when times get rough.
    God Bless, and, as is said "God Speed the Plow"
  •  Flashback: This is nothing new: (none)
    FLASHBACK: Man Wearing Anti-Clinton T-Shirt Removed from Senate Gallery at Impeachment Trial
    Wed Feb 01 2006 08:47:08 ET

    Cindy Sheehan, the anti-war activist who was removed from the House gallery last night before the State of the Union address for wearing a t-shirt with a political message, is not the first person to be tossed from a Congressional gallery at a high-profile event for wearing a political t-shirt.

    In the early days of the Senate's impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton in January 1999, a Pennsylvania man named Dave Delp was removed by the Capitol police from the Senate gallery for wearing a t-shirt that said, "Clinton doesn't inhale, he sucks."

    The Pennsylvania school teacher was yanked out of a VIP Senate gallery and briefly detained last week during the impeachment trial for wearing a T-shirt with graphic language dissing President Clinton.

    Delp, 42, of Carlisle, Pa., and a friend had just settled into their seats when four Capitol security guards approached them. Delp said at the time that he was ordered to button his coat and follow the guards. Outside the chamber, he was told "several people felt threatened by your shirt."

    Even after establishing that Delp was a guest of Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), the guards wouldn't let him back in and escorted him to a basement security area, where they questioned and photographed him.

    After being given one of the photos as a souvenir, Delp said he was banned from the Capitol for the rest of the day. "They were polite and professional," Delp added, "but they really did scare me. I think I should have been given the chance to cover up."

  •  Both Sides of the Isle (none)
    Florida Rep.'s Wife Says She Was Ejected From State Of Union

    POSTED: 7:07 am EST February 1, 2006

    ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- The wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores, told a newspaper that she was ejected during the State of the Union address for wearing a T-shirt that says, "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom."

    Beverly Young told the St. Petersburg Times that she was sitting in the front row of the House gallery Tuesday night when she was approached by someone who told her she needed to leave.

    She said she reluctantly agreed, but argued with several officers in an outside hallway.

    In a telephone interview with the newspaper, Young said she told them her shirt wasn't a protest but a message of support.

    Capitol Police Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said Young wasn't ejected from the gallery and she left on her own. She couldn't provide additional details.

    Young's husband found out about the incident after Bush's speech and called it unacceptable.

    •  both sides of the aisle (none)
      but not both ends of the political spectrum. Ms. Young is evidently no friend to the administration. Which is too bad, really, because if she were the wingnuts would have to deal with some serious cognitive dissonance.

      I'm really curious about the earlier case you mentioned. Who, I wonder, were the unnamed individuals who felt threatened? In any case, it points up the importance of resisting this kind of anti-first-amendment BS under all circumstances: because the small, stupid infractions invariably grow into large, dangerous infractions.

      The only thing that seems to distinguish the CS case from others we've heard about (so far) is the manner in which she was treated, especially initially.

  •  Here is proof showing Cindy violated nothing (4.00)
    Cindy violated absolutely nothing, according to the US Capitol Police Board and how they interpret "Demonstration Activity".  

    In 1997, the U.S. District Court of DC gave an opinion in a Civil Action regarding demonstrations within any of the Capitol Buildings.  Since 1946, Demonstrations have banned, and the "Capitol Police needed guidance in determining what behavior constitutes a "demonstration", the US Capitol Police Board issued a regulation that interprets "demonstration activity" to include:

    Parading, picketing, speechmaking, holding vigils, sit-ins, or other expressive conduct that convey[s] a message supporting or opposing a point of view or has the intent, effect or propensity to attract a crowd of on lookers, but does not include merely wearing Tee shirts, buttons or other similar articles that convey a message"

    The meat and potatoes of this opinion is on page two (of the 19 pages).  Here is the LINK

    •  That reg is also quoted (4.00)
      in the D.C. Circuit's 2002 decision Lederman v. United States, with no indication that it had been superseded.  So the reg was still in effect then.  It almost certainly still is.
    •  Oops, reg may be unconstitutional. (none)
      I don't have time to read through the two cases now, but a quick skim suggests to me that the courts in both found attempts to apply that regulation against demonstrators around the Capitol to be unconstitutional violations of the First Amendment.  So, even if the reg prohibited what Cindy Sheehan did, an application of it against her would almost certainly be unconstitutional.  But, as it happens, the regulation clearly permits what she did.
  •  an icy feeling... (4.00)
     in the pit of my stomach. An officer of the law pointing at someone and yelling PROTESTER!

    Other such words from the history of tyranny:

    CHRISTIAN!

    COMMUNIST!

    JEW!

    TUTSI!

    TERRORIST!

    DEMOCRAT!

  •  Congressman's Wife also harassed over shirt (none)
    •  But note that the congressman's wife, (4.00)
      whose T-shirt read, "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom," was only forced to leave, and not arrested.

      Looks to me like a distinction in treatment based on the content of the message, and that to me looks like a content-based violation of the First Amendment.

      •  just keeps getting better (none)
        I think this is gonna be a big story
      •  see the comment below ... (none)
        people need to avoid making snap judgments about this. her message is not in any particular opposition to Sheehan's. like sheehan, she evidently has a high profile -- at least around the Capitol. she supports the troop, but isn't all gungho about the war. if she was treated with more deference, it is as likely because she is the wife of a Representative as because her message is more palatable. she doesn't seem to be any friend of the administration.
      •  GOP Spin (none)
        If the spin is that one of the GOP was also asked to leave because of a supportive message on her shirt, then the obvious rebuttal to that "fair and balanced" argument is that she was NOT arrested, as was Cindy.

        That, in itself, should be brought up in court at any hearing regarding Cindy's arrest.

        Cindy - Perhaps you went through this to HAVE the conversation you did, painful as it was, with the Iraqi war veteran/cop at the police station.

        Perhaps you touched his heart and perhaps what you said to him helped him in some way or showed him something he needed to see.

        Peace is often won one heart at at time.

  •  Cindy! (none)
    You are WONDERFUL!

    Many blessings!

    (-8.88/-7.64) Feingold in '08 | "I drink from the keg of glory, Donna. Bring me the finest muffins and bagels in all the land!"

    by Joshua Lyman on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:33:19 AM PST

  •  Bush's Praetorian Guard... (none)
    goes overboard on t-shirted attendees of SOTU Address.

    News at 11...

    People in Eurasia on the brink of oppression: I hope it's gonna be alright... Pet Shop Boys: Introspective

    by rgilly on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:33:46 AM PST

  •  I'm not a Constitutional scholar ... (3.50)
    ... but I am surprised at how many people seem to believe the SOTU is intended as some sort of constitutionally-guaranteed opportunity for the President to have his big chance to grandstand and orchestrate and spin and everything else.

    The SOTU, as I interpret the Constitution, is not a special privilege accorded the President. Quite the opposite, it is a burden on the President; a requirement that, at least once per year, he present himself in front of the People's House and tell them what's up. He has no choice, no matter how badly things are going.

    This is the only constitutionally guaranteed opportunity for citizens to even see the President, much less be seen by the President. In this context, I find arguments that he is owed some extra special discretion to be wanting.

    •  No SOTU speech required (none)
      by the Constitution.  Actually, only a statement of the state of the union is required annually by the Constitution, and it can be written.  From Thomas Jefferson until Woodrow Wilson, the statements were only written.
      •  wow (none)
        guess i got that totally wrong. gotta go check the constitution. ah, here it is:

        "He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, ..."

        So he's required to report, but not in person. Which makes the question even more interesting: does the Congress even have to put up with his public appearance? Could they tell him to keep the hell out of there? Could they arrest him for demonstrating?

    •  Not Mandatory that it be a Public Speech (none)
      In fact, many presidents, including Jefferson and Carter, simply sent a SOTU document to Congress instead of delievering a speech. It is not mandatory that it be a great public speech... and many scholars think it would be better to do away with the quasi-tradition of the public oration component. Bush's use of it, as well as other president's before him, is more along the lines of the Queen of England's "specch from the throne," -- I read this all yesterday in a great article, perhaps in the NY Times, but I forget where exactly.
  •  I am thankful (none)
    Last night I had to walk out of my living room because I could not listen and watch the garbage anymore.  I can't even listen to his voice anymore, and I'm almost at the point where I can not even listen to supporters of Bush's policy at all.  Thank you for everything you have been doing.  We all love you for your hard work for peace and justice.  Thank you so much
  •  Thank you Cindy (4.00)
    You are the greatest leader our nation has right now.  I knew the 'banner' story was BS the second the pundit on ABC said it.  But if you had a banner we all would have been proud to hold the other end.

    Keep it up.  Keep it going.  Keep winning.

  •  Bushco is a dictatorship (none)
    and Bush is a dick.

    none of us are free.

    Do you respect life? Do you eat meat? Respecting only human life is like respecting only white people.

    by leftout on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:45:00 AM PST

  •  Rep. Young's wife (4.00)
    Cindy - get your lawyers to check out the story of Rep. Young's wife, diaried here.  I was sceptical about this story at first, but it seems that she has been quite outspoken and involved with the treatment of wounded soldiers who have returned from Iraq and has been critical of the Bush Administration to the point of recently calling for a pullout from Iraq Link.

    This is not how congressional wives are supposed to act.

    They are not supposed to curse at Pentagon officials, write angry letters to President Bush or say that members of Congress take bribes.

    But Beverly Young, the wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young of Indian Shores, doesn't play by those rules. Spend a day with her visiting wounded Marines at the National Naval Medical Center and you'll hear a few expletives...

    ...Laws have been changed thanks to Beverly. She prodded her husband to create a nationwide registry for bone marrow donors. When she discovered the military charged wounded soldiers for hospital meals, she raised such a fuss Congress repealed the law.

    Says Marine Brig. Gen. John Kelly: "She can be a royal pain in the a-- - but only to people who don't care about the troops..."

    ...Beverly makes wisecracks about going through menopause, but looks five or 10 years younger than she is. She has a stylish haircut and gold hoop earrings, and - even when visiting the Capitol - wears jeans and a Marine Corps T-shirt that says "Nothing But Attitude."

    "I could buy a dress for George Bush's Christmas party - or give $200 to (the fiancee of the wounded Marine). I'd rather give it to the girl."

    Members of Congress usually live in pricey homes close to the Capitol or in nearby suburbs. But the Youngs live 30 miles away in Woodbridge, Va.

    Beverly says it's all they can afford because her husband "doesn't take bribes like all the others..."

    ..."I think people should be able to be in love with whoever they want," she says. "I don't think men have a right to tell women what to do with their bodies."

    Beverly supported the Iraq war but now has qualms. She has seen too many soldiers and Marines blown up by improvised explosive devices, the bombs used by insurgents.

    "I'm all for (the troops) coming home because these IEDs are vicious," she says...

    George W. Bush is dog shit on the shoe of America.

    by Sharon Jumper on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:48:10 AM PST

  •  What the hell were you thinking Cindy? (2.40)

    I can only surmise that you wanted to get arrested, because the capitol police would have been told to do so for even the smallest of infractions.  I hope that's what you wanted because I don't think you did your cause any favors.

    I support your cause in its entirety, but I think that was a really bone-headed move.  Your cause would have been better served if you had gotten your face on TV at the SOTU.  America knows who you are.  You didn't need the shirt.

    •  Given the regulation of the Capitol Police Board (none)
      quoted above (and in the D.C. Circuit's 2002 decision Lederman v. United States,) Cindy Sheehan's act did not constitute an infraction of the rule against demonstrations.
    •  Is this America? (4.00)
      You show in a fucking T-shirt that truly shows you're honoring our fallen instead of the phony support the troops gear some wear, and you get arrested? I thought this was the people's house? What fucking country is this? Did I miss something in my Jr High civics classes? Jesus Christ! My old history teacher told me eventually we would get to this. The fact that some of you here have no problem with what happened to Cindy proves his point!
  •  Wake up America (none)
    Wake up America.
    suppression
    freedom
    lies
    truth
    war
    peace through right actions and understanding

    I'm not going to take it anymore.
    Fear motivates the actions of those in power.
    Truth and Love will win out.
    I will not lay down at the altar of greed and fear.
    It does not serve me.
    It never did.

    Go Cindy!
    Good going to all of us who take small and large actions
    In Standing firm for higher values.

  •  We are citizens, not chattel. (none)
    Thank you for having the strength to take the fight for liberty as far as you have.

    Novus Ordo Seclorum. Since 1776.

    by Ignacio Magaloni on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:04:01 AM PST

  •  CodePink Homes Love Ya Cindy! (none)
    Image hosting by Photobucket

    My daughter "dressing up" after the Portland protest last friday.

    What next? They'll arrest us for wearing pink??

    "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." ~Jimi Hendrix

    by Damnit Janet on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:11:13 AM PST

  •  I am so sorry to hear that. (none)
    It is bad enough to hear about people with opposing views being forbidden from attending Bush events, but it is simply painful to know that they are acting so callously towards grieving parents. How can they be so unsympathetic? If the mother of a young person killed in 9/11 was being vocal about supporting the war, we would never treat her this way no matter how much we disagreed with her. How disrespectful and nasty this regime has become.

    They don't speak for America. I still think that most of us, even many of the people who have been hoodwinked into thinking the war is for a good cause, truly mourn the loss of each life there and that their hearts go out to the bereaved. I really do believe that.

  •  I feel you Cindy (4.00)
    I am among many who have your back.
    I can't believe I would live to see this happen to this nation. What sad times and the fault is ours!
  •  Thugs (4.00)
    Your son died for an administration that didn't give a shit about him, or about you.  Or any of us, for that matter.  Christ, that's a hard thing to say.  I love my country - I don't think there's anywhere better in the world.  But I hate what the Republicans, and Bush, have done to it, twisting it slowly but surely into something unrecognizable.  When I think what we've lost over the last few years - over 2200 young Americans in Iraq, 2800+ dead in NYC, our Constitutional rights to privacy, assembly, free speech, our moral standing in the world, and on & on & on - I get so fucking angry I literally can't see straight.

    We've all lost under this regime.  I'm sorry your loss was such a personal one.  And I'm sorry the thugs in power don't care to hear about it.

  •  So horrible and so painful and so tragic! (4.00)
    I was just appalled to see how you were treated by these thugs.  I cried for hours over your loss and our loss in the face of these attacks on all our freedoms.  Keep up the tremendous work in standing up and standing out against these traitors to our Constitution and our country.  We love and admire and stand behind and beside you, Cindy!  You are a hero!
  •  Perhaps they would have been more comfortable (4.00)
    with you wearing 2,245 little yellow ribbon pins.
  •  thank you Cindy (none)
    Your strength is humbling.

    Thanks for not giving up; you're definitely not alone.

  •  In Reno in October (none)
    May have missed it, but can't see that anyone has mentioned the couple who got kicked off a plane in Reno because of the woman's anti-Bush t-shirt.  There (too) they'd passed security etc. and been allowed to fly the first leg of their journey...

    Not to suggest that the shirt said the same thing as Cindy's.  But also this woman sees the point.  Wonder if she did sue the airline and how it went.

    http://cbs5.com/...
    Oct 6, 2005 1:59 pm US/Pacific
    Woman Tossed Off Plane For Obscene Bush T-Shirt

    AP) RENO A woman was booted off a Southwest Airlines flight in Reno for wearing a T-shirt with the pictures of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney and the F-word.

    Lorrie Heasley of Woodland, Wash., said she plans to press a civil-rights complaint against the airline over Tuesday's action at Reno-Tahoe International Airport.

    Heasley said she wore the T-shirt as a gag, and wanted her parents, both Democrats, to see it when they picked her up at the Portland, Ore., airport.

    The 32-year-old lumber saleswoman said she thinks she had a right to wear it.

    "I just thought it was hilarious," Heasley told the Reno Gazette-Journal. "I have cousins in Iraq and other relatives going to war. Here we are trying to free another country and I have to get off an airplane ... over a T-shirt. That's not freedom."

    <<snip>>

  •  Cindy (none)
    The only problem I have with your t-shirt is that it was probably obsolete within hours after it was printed.  Whether people agree with what you did or not (and frankly, I support you on this), I would like our party to point out that tragic fact over and over agian.

    Keep up the fight.

  •  I'm comment number 600-something, so (4.00)
    you might not even see this.  

    Sue the bastards -- make noise -- make enough noise that even those citizens who have turned a deaf ear to criticism of this despot and his regime have to hear you.  

    Stay strong!

    "No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a Party that ignores her sex." -- Susan B. Anthony

    by Yellow Dog Dem Woman on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:33:35 AM PST

    •  I agree! Sue them! (none)
      I've never been one for litiguous (sp? - not even sure it's a word - I'm trying to say lawsuit-ish) actions, however, the only thing that wakes some people up is a lawsuit.  Didn't Carol Burnett once sue some tabloid paper and win?  Cindy, please do this.  These media outlets need to understand that printing lies has consequences to THEM!
      Wearing a T-Shirt is not the same as causing a disturbance or unfurling a banner which could restrict the view of others.  There is a HUGE difference and people need to be aware (from the msm outlets) what actually happened.  When people hear that someone caused a ruckus, they can understand the removal of that person.  When people hear that someone simply wore a Tee shirt with a statement on it, that's a whole different story - and shows everyone just how our freedom of speech has been trashed.
    •  I agree! Sue them! (none)
      I've never been one for litiguous (sp? - not even sure it's a word - I'm trying to say lawsuit-ish) actions, however, the only thing that wakes some people up is a lawsuit.  Didn't Carol Burnett once sue some tabloid paper and win?  Cindy, please do this.  These media outlets need to understand that printing lies has consequences to THEM!
      Wearing a T-Shirt is not the same as causing a disturbance or unfurling a banner which could restrict the view of others.  There is a HUGE difference and people need to be aware (from the msm outlets) what actually happened.  When people hear that someone caused a ruckus, they can understand the removal of that person.  When people hear that someone simply wore a Tee shirt with a statement on it, that's a whole different story - and shows everyone just how our freedom of speech has been trashed.  
      okay, end of my rant.  
  •  Congress owes you an apology (none)
    A formal resolution, from both houses, apologizing for their shameless treatment of you.  

    In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

    by Paul in Berkeley on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:34:45 AM PST

  •  Please Don't Lose Heart (none)
    You are one of the few heros today actively fighting this regime.  We need you!
  •  Cindy, (none)
    you continue to personify true American spirit. Thank you!
  •  Keep fighting. Freedom isn't easy. (none)
    I was very please to hear that you were there.
    Vigilance against tyranny is they key to maintaining our liberty.

    Who would have tought that watching "The Land Before Time (IX)- Journey to Big Water" would become a subversive act?

    by mungley on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:57:20 AM PST

  •  Thank you for standing up for all of us (none)
    You are one of the bravest people I've ever heard of.  Thank you for standing up for our rights!  I'm going to vote for you in the California Senate primary even if I have to do a write in.
  •  Being Disruptive? (4.00)
    I'll tell you what disruptive means:

    Sending 2000+ to their deaths.

    Sending tens of 1000s to be maimed.

    Murdering uncounted 1000's in our name.

    Ruining our nations reputation for a generation.

    Raising taxes on future generations to allow dead rich men a tax break now.

    Abetting global warming and in so doing creating
    billions of future refugees.  Yes it's going to be billions.

    Wrecking the public schools.

    Appointing fascist maniacs to the supreme court.

    Distorting language to the point that it no longer functions.

    People, its way past time for the rest of us to show a small fraction of the courage Cindy has done and do some REAL DISRUPTION to the people wrecking our country and the world.  

    Geonomist - Charge for privileges; abolish taxes on production.

    by Geonomist on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:06:46 AM PST

  •  If you haven't read it already (none)
    Go read Glenn Greenwald's excellent post on his blogs about this incident. Excellent, excellent analysis.

    "This...this is the fault of that Clinton Penis! And that powermongering wife of his!"

    by CaptUnderpants on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:10:16 AM PST

  •  How come... (4.00)
    ...you were arrested and the wife of a republican representative was not?
  •  I recall good ol' OIllie North's (4.00)
    indignancy,talking about Marines dying face down in the mud defending the Bill of Rights.  I'm sorry that your son died, and the country he died for protecting those rights, has apparently decided the rights aren't worth it.  

    For your losses as a mother and as a citizen you have my deepest sympathies.

  •  Glad to get the real story. (none)
    Why am I not surprised so many got it wrong?

    Keep doing what you're doing!

    Proud to live in a Blue State!

    by Sister Havana on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:29:02 AM PST

  •  The FACT that there is no video (4.00)
    made public from the security cameras is proof there was no incident.  If there were anything on the  surveillance cameras it would have been released pronto.  And this screams they are covering up the "NON INCIDENT" removal of Cindy so Der Fuhrer did not have to look her in the eyes to lie.

    American Engineer :== loser!

    by jnmorgan on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:37:54 AM PST

  •  Cindy (4.00)
    you never fail to impress me.  With the slime and smear and lies, you never back down.

    "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    by Five of Diamonds on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:43:03 AM PST

  •  I have four words... (4.00)
    Cindy Sheehan for President!
  •  The arrest was outrageous (2.16)
    but wearing that t-shirt was a stupid thing to do.

    FWIW: over at FDL you will see a reference to the fact that a republican woman was also ejected: also wearing a T-shirt, though it was non-partisan.

    "Also removed from the gallery was Beverly Young. She's the wife of Republican Congressman Bill Young of Florida, who chairs the House defense appropriations panel. Her own shirt wasn't anti-war -- it read, "Support the Troops -- Defending Our Freedom." "

    go here:
    http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/

  •  More Repug Hypocrisy (4.00)
    Conservative commentators are outraged that the wife of a Repug Rep was ejected from the SOTU venue for wearing a "political" slogan on her shirt - one suporting the troops. They say this ejection is a horrible suppression of Young's rights, and at the same time, in complete contradiction to their own thesis, that this ejection also legitimizes the action against Sheehan.
    I have two points:
    • The info on Sheehan's shirt was not an opinion or a call to action, it stated a fact: the number of American service personnel killed in Iraq. At a time when the right is criticizing the media for "caring more about a wounded reporter than about wounded soldiers", the right also labels calling attention to American deaths and casualties "left-wing partianship". You can't have it both ways, guys.
    • Yound was ejected, Sheehan was ARRESTED! If it's a crime for Cindy to wear a "political" T-shirt, why is NOT a crime for Young to wear a "political" shirt?
  •  Itchin' for a fight? (4.00)
    I smell a freedom of speech conflict with the Patriot Act.

    "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    by Five of Diamonds on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:05:21 AM PST

  •  Simply intolerable (none)
    It is simply intolerable that this happened to you. When I heard the news account, I said to myself, "that makes no sense." initial reports had said you'd unfurled a banner before the damned speech started. I'm glad to hear the truth of what happened so I can go debunk the lies elsewhere.

    Shame on the government for treating you this way and shame on everyone in the media who fails to tell your side of the story (the truthful side, I might add) from here on out.

    You are a true hero and a patriot and you've already given so much more to us, your fellow citizens, than any person should have to. Thank you for all you're doing, thank you Casey for serving your fellow citizens, and thank you for being the voice for peace, truth, and righteousness in America today.

    "But our disappointment must be overcome by our love of country" -- Al Gore

    by PhiloTBG on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:10:35 AM PST

  •  Stop the Foolishness Cindy (1.91)
    All you had to do was show up wearing all black and the point would have been made.  You need to stop with all the shenanigans and get some better political advice.  Remember that people who do this sort of thing too much end up being treated like nuts....and they don't get taken seriously.  The one thing that all of us here want is for you to be taken seriously.  Please please please please start acting like a serious person.
    •  Serious? (none)
      you get serious- it was Mr. Weight, not Cindy, that started this all. And, pray tell, how serious does it have to get before you wake up and realize your rights are being taken away as we speak, and it is people like Cindy, not you, that care enough to put their asses on the line?
    •  Troll. you obviously didnt actually read what (none)
      happened.

      she did't plan anything.  

      •  I know exactly what happened.... (none)
        She shouldn't have had on a t-shirt with a message at the SOTU.  Period!  Why can't you idiots get it through your damn thick skulls that this kind of shit just turns people off.  There's a time to get loud and noisy and there's a time NOT to.  It's because of morons like you that Dems keep losing at the polls.  Average folk don't like this kind of crap.
  •  letter to the editor: free speech (none)
    Here is a letter to the editor that I sent to some local papers:

    The press has been reporting that Cindy Sheehan "disrupted" the People's State of the Union Speech by refusing to cover up her T-shirt that listed the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq and asked the question "how many more?" She herself has written (on the weblog Daily Kos) that she had only just taken off her jacket when she was roughly dragged from the gallery by security; no one requested that she conceal her shirt and she did not refuse.

    Reporters need to discover the facts of the incident and report them. Editors need to reflect on the implications for free speech in this country when essentially law-abiding citizens are treated in such a manner. Many Americans have had their right to free speech curtailed. How many more?

    May all beings be free from fear.

    by shakti on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:14:51 AM PST

  •  It has all been said above (none)
    But I want to post and say that this is deplorable and has to be unconstitutional.  I add my voice to the voices above.

    Steve Pettit
    Calistoga, California

    My tag line is from Thoreau's essay on Civil Disobedience, and I'm debating whether I can still use it after Ms. Sheehan's time in jail.

    "I felt as if I alone of all my townsmen had paid my tax." Thoreau

    by NearlyNormal on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:21:35 AM PST

  •  Interesting (none)
    Where did my post go titled "From the other side"?

    It was there, and now it is gone.

    A bit of censorship on the board?  Opposing viewpoints simply disappear?  From such a fine group of "progressives"?

    How very enlightening.

    •  whats' wrong bob (4.00)
      Does being censored bother you? Try handing your childs' life over for a lie and then get censored when you make a statement on a tee shirt and tossed our and arrested for it.  Until then, your sensitivity is a joke.

      Would a man of God sow the seeds of hate and then continue to cultivate his crop?

      by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:43:08 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Thanks Cindy for taking it on the chin for us all (none)
    I support you and the pro-peace supporters.

    Here are more fighting words from a WWI General (some friend may have already turned you onto him).  Butler ended his career despising war and the corporate supporters of war.

    This is a link but you'll like the book better.  http://lexrex.com/...

  •  what next? (none)
    definitely file that lawsuit!!!!  we need this country back!

    "Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana.

    by Street Kid on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:11:54 PM PST

  •  Cindy, thank the dear Mr. Weight (none)
    Stop for a moment and think about how he did more to bring attention to Bush's tyranny than you did: If he had simply told you to remain seated and keep your coat closed, none of this would have happened. As it is, with his unwitting help, you have overshadowed Bush's blather. I know no one who can tell you what Bush said, but a lot than can talk about your arrest.
    Maybe send Mr. Weight some flowers?
  •  Why does the media keep calling, (none)
    "2,245 Dead. How many more?" an anti-war slogan? It is merely a number and a question. Just because the Bushites don't want to see that question asked doesn't make it an anti-war slogan.

    -6.88/-5.64 * You know what's happening. Fight it.

    by John West on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:33:05 PM PST

  •  I am going to be a contrarian here (none)
    By wearing that T shirt, you were guaranteeing yourself to be kicked out, and you knew (or should have known) it.  It was "protesting".  It may not be technically legal to kick you out-but I'm sure you won't be formally charged with anything.

    Let's imagine a similiar scenerio under Clinton.  Imagine what would have happened if somebody wore a Tshirt with a Monica Lewinsky refrence during the state of the union?  The same exact thing, they would be removed.  (This is politically equilvalent, although, of course, not factually or morally equilvalent.  Democratic scandals tend to be over stupid crap; Republican scandals involve people's lives.)

    In any case, I'm looking forward to voting for you in the California Democratic primary. :)

    •  There is (none)
      quite a difference between being removed and being arrested.  

      "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell

      by Troubled on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:20:07 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Bad Comparison (4.00)
      Comparing someone who would wear an T-shirt calling attention to a sex act by the president of the United States to a grieving Mother's wearing a T-shirt calling us to remember the over 2000 brave young people who have put their lives down for their nation is outrageous.

      How is saying how many soldiers have died in Iraq a protest?  Maybe in North Korea, where only the official version of events (like no peasants are starving to death) is allowed, but how is telling the truth considered a "protest"?

      If she would have worn a t-shirt saying "Worst President Ever", or "Stop Mad Cowboy Disease" then that would have been a protest.  Not a truthful statement on how many of our brave troops have died for their country.

  •  Cindy -Wish you Well (none)
    Keep on keeping on for all the people that are foreigners in  their own country.
    Thank You
  •  God Bless You Cindy and our troops (none)
    Cindy, I can only say I am outraged along with you at this fascist action by brownshirts at what is supposed to be the Capitol of a free country!!

    I also believe that once word of your unjust arrest got to the Democratic leadership, they should have gotten the minority members together, and told the Capitol security and all concerned that unless you were allowed back in with your T-shirt on, they would walk out of the Dear Leader's State of the Union address.

    I am outraged but not surprised.  This is further proof of the dire condition of our country, and how Democrats have failed us over and over again to prevent our nation falling into Fascism.

    Also, from what I have gathered, the Republican congressman's wife who wore a "Support the Troops" t-shirt was asked to leave, but not roughhandled like you were or arrested.  Her husband is crying foul in the House chambers today, but is he crying foul over how you were treated also?

    You are the mother of an American hero and you, in my opinion, deserve our gratitude and respect, not Nazi-style rough-handling by the new American Gestapo police-state.

  •  The Law is The Law (2.33)
    Hey gang....chill-out on this issue....many people have been "removed" from the House before on similiar issues....both Dem and Rep....if she knew what she was doing, she broke The Law....if she didn't know what she was doing, she still broke The Law....she obviously thought about it and planned it, or she wouldn't have worn the shirt....if she exposed the shirt and got away with it, she made her point....if she exposed the shirt and didn't get away with it, she made another point....she knew what she was doing....she's not a victim in this situation.
  •  this'll get lost but... (none)
    "I am speechless with fury..."

    Aren't you speaking out with this diary?  I'm sorry - it's just that you're obviously not speechless.  I wish people would choose their words more carefully is all...

    the good we secure for ourselves is precarious and uncertain until it is secured for all of us and incorporated into our common life. -jane addams

    by bsmcneil on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:45:42 PM PST

  •  There's a fundraiser in here somewhere (none)
    Sell the shirts with "Cindy was arrested for wearing this shirt" on the back.
  •  Over 700 comments and I've gotta say... (none)
    All of us are behind you, Cindy.  Get back at those bastards.

    You think you've got it tough. Try being a liberal in the military.

    by filmgeek83 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:57:40 PM PST

  •  Freedom? (none)
    Mike Luckovich posted a drawing from a teenager to answer the question "Why" in the fallen soldiers names including yours Cindy.

    http://www.mikelief.com/...

    She drew "freedom" with the names of the fallen. Does wearing a tee shirt in a free country get you arrested like a common criminal? Is that freedom? I do not think so but look at the culture of corruption and see how they break the laws they write.

    http://getalifes.blogspot.com/

  •  BREAKING (4.00)
    Charges against Sheehan are being dropped as reported here on MSNBC!

    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell

    by Troubled on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:15:51 PM PST

  •  We screwed UP, pic on MSNBC (none)
  •  Thank you Cindy!! (4.00)
    Cindy,

    Please accept my deepest appreciation for your willingness to be a Leader for Peace.

    I apoligize on behalf of our government for the harsh treatment you received last night.

    Please note, however, that however contemptible your assailants actions were, your message was once again given wide media coverage.  Your son did not die in vain.  You are saving lives through his memory.

    OUT    NOW   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

  •  I smell a lawsuit! (none)
    Cindy,

    It seems your civil rights were violated. If you want to make a statement, hit them where it hurts. Their precious, corrupted money.

    Sue them Cindy.They already admitted they are at fault.

  •  Not that I'm complaining (none)
    but 700+ comments takes mucho-timo to loado! Wow - a new Kos record.

    Found this Glen Greenwald
    http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/

    This is nothing more than a naked attempt to stifle dissent and to create a criticism-free bubble around George Bush. Presidents routinely use all sorts of propagandistic imagery at the State of the Union to decorate their speeches with an aura of regal patriotism. We always see weeping widows and military heroes and symbolic guests of all sorts who are used as props and visuals to bolster the President's message both emotionally and psychologically. The State of the Union speech is hardly free of visual messages and propaganda of that sort; quite the contrary.

    But we apparently now have a country where the only ideas allowed to be expressed in our Nation's Capitol while the President is speaking are ones which glorify the Government and its Leader and where dissenting views are prohibited and will subject someone to arrest. Message cleansing of that sort belongs at a political rally in North Korea, not in Washington, DC.

    There have been stories here and there of the Secret Service and other federal government agencies exercising the police power of the state for no purpose other than to stifle dissent. Virtually every appearance of George Bush is meticulously and vigilantly staged to ensure that he is surrounded only by agreement and adoration and almost never dissent of any kind.

    This is plainly unhealthy and disgustingly contrary to every defining core American value. Our leaders aren't entitled to reverence and worship and aren't supposed to want it. Criticism, dissent and divergence of opinion are things which the founders did everything possible to foster, and the idea that someone is dragged out of a speech by the President for silently and peacefully wearing an anti-war t-shirt is disgraceful and embarrassing.

    And these attacks on dissent are particularly ironic given that they occurred in the midst of a speech by a President who loves to lecture the world on the virtues of liberty and who holds himself out as the Chief Crusader for freedom and democracy.

    In fact, as Cindy Sheehan was being dragged out of the Royal Speech, His Majesty was regaling us with the importance of respecting civil debate, the virtues of diversity and freedom, and the need to protect minority views. It's as if there was some universal force that wanted to provide the most compelling demonstration possible of how disingenuous his speech was, and came up with the idea of having Cindy Sheehan dragged out of the hall for doing nothing other than wearing a t-shirt politely expressing criticism of Bush's war.

    UPDATE: The law is clear that Sheehan did nothing illegal and there was no legal basis whatsoever for removing and arresting her for wearing that t-shirt.

    "Trying to make it real compared to what." Gene McDaniels/Les McCann

    by Sprinkles on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:54:01 PM PST

  •  Sorry (none)
    I think that the margins are now in another blog.

    "Trying to make it real compared to what." Gene McDaniels/Les McCann

    by Sprinkles on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:54:54 PM PST

  •  Cindy (none)

    How funny you just got back from a Socialist meeting in Caracas fighting for "the people".

    With all your talk about "the people" and the "will of the people" you seem very out of touch, especially with the anti war movement. Where were you back when all this started? Did you just decide it was worth taking action after your son died? Why are you suddenly the poster child now? Some of us have been against all this from day one.

    Now you come back to the United States and are hanging out Congress people and others that I have never met and probably never will, since I'm not rich or important enough. You're friends with Michael Moore and others who wouldn't give me the time of day (though they might crush their cigarettes out on me.)

    You're making a PROFIT off your son's death? There is a play being made about your adventures - I'm sure you're getting royalties. You wrote a book. You're making money off the speeches you do. You're flying all over the globe. You've been arrested. You've taken time off so that you can camp outside the president's house. I couldn't afford ANY of this. Who is paying for it? And how does this help our cause?

    The truth is you were at the STOU by INVITE. It was up to you to know the rules going in. A GOP Senator's wife was also thrown out for wearing a tee shirt and true, she wasn't cuffed and booked it still makes your complaint sound shrill.

    Obviously they're not going to field any hard questions at an event like this. That's just common knowledge. Not even our guys do that.

    To top it all off, you're attacking your would be supporters: people like Hilary Clinton. You've threatened to run for election against Diana Feinstein.

    Truth is you're doing MORE DAMAGE to the anti war movement than anyone else. I can't debate anyone on the other side without being regaled with tales of your embarrassing antics. You're making me and others look like FOOLS.

    I urge you to back down - right now. If you want to help us, please fall silent.

    Koldun

    Listen to "The Tzimisce Show" only on "The Growl" (Closed for Winter break) (http://thegrowl.missouristate.edu/) Radio with byte!

    by Koldun on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:50:16 PM PST

    •  I urge you to "fall silent." (none)
      You have to be a Rethug KoolAid drinker to say Cindy Sheehan is "doing more damage to the anti-war movement."  Cindy Sheehan gave her son to this country and he was sent to fight a war of aggression, fabricated by our liar-in-thief.  Cindy Sheehan is the face of American loss of lives, our loss of honor, our loss of veracity, our loss of freedom and you and others just like your don't want to see that face.  Well, thanks to Cindy Sheehan's dedication to democracy, she won't listen to KoolAid drinkers like you.  Cindy Sheehan speaks truth to power and our little weasel in the White House runs away like the true coward he is.  Cindy Sheehan is doing just the opposite of damaging the anti-war movement - she's leading it!  It's people like you, who march to whatever these liars tell you, that are harming - no, destroying this nation and all it stands for.  Cindy Sheehan is a hero.  Go Cindy!  Go Cindy!  Go!!!
    •  Let's see... (none)
      Truth is you're doing MORE DAMAGE to the anti war movement than anyone else. I can't debate anyone on the other side without being regaled with tales of your embarrassing antics. You're making me and others look like FOOLS.

      Funny, I don't have that problem - I would just ask if she is tellng the truth or not.  Maybe you aren't really equipped with for debating skills.

      Now you come back to the United States and are hanging out Congress people and others that I have never met and probably never will, since I'm not rich or important enough. You're friends with Michael Moore and others who wouldn't give me the time of day (though they might crush their cigarettes out on me.)

      Actually, Barbara Sreisand, Bob Dylan, Bo Bice, the Dalai Lama and I were just discussing you over mai-tais and croquet this weekend in Maui!  We thought you were pretty angry, carried a lot of baggage, were pretty ineffectual in the anti-war movement, are overly concerned with celebrity, looking for instant karma, and none of us liked your films.

      Other than that, we all thought you were doing fine.

      To top it all off, you're attacking your would be supporters: people like Hilary Clinton. You've threatened to run for election against Diana Feinstein.

      I think you answered your own question here: would be supporters.  Would be if they had spines.

      But thanks for playing our game! I'm sure there will be someone else in the media soon who has channeled their pain into positive work -  maybe you can insult them!

      "A CONSERVATIVE is a man who is too cowardly to fight and too fat to run." --Elbert Hubbard

      by Rico on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:39:56 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  ha ha! (none)
      I'm a writer. Do you know what "royalties for a play" usually amount to?  Even for the writers who actually wrote the play?

      You're spouting a bunch of ill-informed talking points.  Go away.

      Perhaps some mighty victory is growing in you now. - Mike Finley

      by hrh on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:55:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Cindy is a master of tactics... (none)
    Cindy is able to use any situation to promote an issue she feels deeply about. Notice how she got her version of what happened out to the media within hours. The fact that she already has 800 comments on this diary speaks volumes.
    I hope she runs for Senate!!!
  •  Enabling Democrats march on! (none)
    It's amusing that there are so many people here, trolls and Kos members aloke, who think that Cindy Sheehan speaking on anything other than her son's death is inappropriate.

    You know, sometimes, people do not do everything you want them to do.  They have something called free will, and for those of us that don't need to control our environment and everyone around us, that's OK.

    And a lot of us will listen to someone we respect on more issues other than the one that brought him/her to our attention.  That's called being respectful.

    And if someone does something that we don't agree with or initially understand, most of the people here will not assume that everything that person does is shrill, hostile, controlled by others, or done to undermine/insult/piss off ourselves.  That comes from knowing that the world does not revolve around me/you, and knowing that there is the horrifying reality that you might occasionally be wrong.

    And if there is a choice between judging the truth of a statement from someone who has garnered our respect, and believing an enabling media that is actively looking to undermine that person, you, me, and the Progressive movement in general, I would believe the person who has earned my respect.  That is called making wise choices and refusing to be a lemming.

    Those choices will determine if we wrest control of this party from the Vichy Dems who are more than happy to work with the supporters of this war, or if we stop being the Enablers for the people who see their constituency as other rich people, not you and me.

    And I would welcome all of those who have chided Cindy to post their own diaries on what actions they temselves have taken today to stop any more killing in this unjust war.

    I'm sure you have been much more effective in getting the anti-war message out than Cindy has...

    "A CONSERVATIVE is a man who is too cowardly to fight and too fat to run." --Elbert Hubbard

    by Rico on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:21:34 PM PST

  •  And so it comes full circle: (none)
    Goodbye "land of the free and home of the brave" and hello United Fruit banana plantation.

    Banana republicans... what a truth.

    Mrs. Sheehan. (slautes)

    IMHO: code for the meager thoughts of someone with the social grace of duckweed. --T. Pratchett

    by Cynical Copper on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:25:28 PM PST

  •  Cindy-- (none)
    when you run for the Senate, you can wear the shirt as much as you want.. since Ms. Feinstein apparently  doesn't want to talk much about the war dead and wounded.

    "We have no right to surrender our inheritance to boors and tyrants". Paul Goodman 1962

    by Superpole on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:58:08 PM PST

  •  "I am speechless with fury..." (none)
    Cindy....

    I felt like my heart was being torn out of me when I saw you on TV last night being harassed and degraded like that.  Speechless with grief and fury....

    I know hundreds have already said this before me here, but I need to say this out loud, for my own health and well-being after how angry I feel about these events around Cindy and that tee-shirt:

    I am OUTRAGED.  How dare you EVER treat a U.S. citizen, not to mention a Mother of one of our valiant Fallen Ones from the Iraq fiasco, in the manner that Cindy treated in The People's House. !!!!

    I love you all the more, Cindy, for what's happened.  What a terrible error they have made...

    Please take good care, dear.  You may still be in shock.  Who wouldn't be...

    •  Note to Abu Gonzales and (none)
      the New Thought Police:

      "What a terrible error they have made..."

      No that is not any veiled threat against anyone.  It just means to me that those responsible for allowing Cindy to be treated as she was during the SOTU Address last night will very likely soon find that their agenda has backfired, politically speaking.  

      •  There is a great t-shirt (none)
        Available at Ban T shirts emblazoned with a targer and captioned Thought Criminal.  I've never owned a protest shirt before. I ordered this one last night!

        Impeach Bush/Cheney

        by dangangry on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:52:26 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Thought criminal (none)
          Yeah really.

          That is has come to this in such a short time from the glorious Clinton years of hope and progress....9/11. 9/11.  9/11.  9/11. 9/11. 9/11.  War on Terra.   Thought criminals.  

          Sometimes I feel like I'm stuck inside a bad sci-fi novel...If only....

  •  Cindy, you are an inspiration! (none)
    Monday afternoon, when the DINO 19 indirectly crowned Bush, I felt crushed and, for a while, mourned the death of freedom. However, heroes like you prove that the hope is not lost. Heroes like you motivate me to do more to take America back. Goddess bless you, Cindy! Keep fighting the good fight!

    "Those who would surrender liberty for security deserve neither." --Benjamin Franklin

    by DaughterOfLiberty on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:15:27 PM PST

  •  Cindy, you need a rest (none)
    It's been non-stop. You have to take care of yourself. Please go somewhere nice and rest up for a while. The world and its problems can spare you for a bit. A few weeks, maybe a month.

    Walking. It's the new driving.

    by Batfish on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:16:57 PM PST

  •  TROLL ALERT (none)
    Whoever's posting the obscene tags at this and other diaries - you have been reported.

    Crawl back under your rock now.

    Someone left the cake out in the rain. - Jimmy Webb

    by eecee on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:17:43 PM PST

  •  Guess I don't understand tags... (none)
    But why are the following tags used on this story?

    "Shutup Whore," "Fuck Off," "Move On," "Get over it," and "Shithead"

    Can someone explain this to me?

    •  I don't know who did it (none)
      But I took them off!

      Impeach Bush/Cheney

      by dangangry on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:34:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  tags (none)

        Those tags could only have been meant for bush!! Bush is a war whore,
        who sells war (a 3 letter word) for money. He should fuck off,
        shutup, and move on out of the white house. He should get over
        the fact that he lost the election in 2000, and makes even shitheads
        look good.

        I know this has been said many times above, but every vote counts.  I
        also am furious over what happened to Cindy. It is
        unbelievable. Please don't give up Cindy, you are an incredibly
        impressive person!

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