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Why are we supposed to believe anything Bush said yesterday when his own administration claims it was all bullshit?

Administration backs off Bush's vow to reduce Mideast oil imports
By Kevin G. Hall
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - One day after President Bush vowed to reduce America's dependence on Middle East oil by cutting imports from there 75 percent by 2025, his energy secretary and national economic adviser said Wednesday that the president didn't mean it literally.

Maybe the White House press corps can ask Scotty which parts of the speech Bush meant literally, and which parts were, um, not literal.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:10 PM PST.

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  •  He voted for it before he voted against it n/t (4.00)
  •  This kind of press takes all the fun out of (4.00)
    proving everything Bush says is a lie.
    •  That's what I'm sayin' (4.00)
      Of course, if Bush shouldn't be taken literally when he made a quite specific projection, doesn't that mean he lied to Congress during a Constitutionally mandated address?

      And the list of potentially impeachable offenses grows and grows and...

    •  So about his big 2003 Iraq speech... (none)
      Were we not supposed to take him literally then, too? Why didn't anyone tell us?

      I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

      by Volvo Liberal on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:24:58 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Regality & Literality (none)
        I think you were not supposed to think too much about what Bush said or thought in 2003 or last night or whenever.  Rather, you were supposed to place your faith (unless, of course you are an American-hating faithless heathen) in our regal leader as he shared his regalness with you.  Literality has no place in America today.  And if you are still clinging to literality and think you are too clever to just accept said regality, well then, you must be a card-carrying member of the Axis of Evil and I am sure the government has already trapped you through your google records and you will be heading to Gitmo soon because, as an enemy combatant, Regal George has inherent authority to suspend the Constitution with respect to you.
    •  How much you wanna bet (none)
      this drops out of the antique media within ... oops, already gone.
  •  didn't mean anything about science and math (4.00)
    either. Budget act passed. Lawmakers voted to cut $11.9 billion from college loan programs.

    An election does not make a democracy.

    by seesdifferent on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:12:58 PM PST

  •  next in line? (4.00)
    Then who do we ask about what Scotty meant literally.

    This is going to be the shortest SOTU bump ever.  Even the right wingers that I've talked to today are sheepish.  And I'm not rubbing it in to them, oh no.

    "I felt as if I alone of all my townsmen had paid my tax." Thoreau

    by NearlyNormal on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:13:02 PM PST

  •  What next?! (none)
    Well, at least we can look at the bright side.  They are confessing to their lies a lot sooner than normal.  That is something.  Right?  Right?
    •  Nope (none)
      This is standard opperating procedure.

      Step 1. Set up photo op, press event, or interview
      Step 2. Bush says something that make him seem human
      Step 3. WH denies that is what Bush meant, that that is policy, etc.
      Repeat

      They have been doing this for a long while. When double speak is not good enough, just lie and then have the WH clear up what you really meant.

      The weird thing is, if you look at how often this happens (a lot), it almost looks like the WH is saying Bush is an idiot and does not know what the heck he's saying--without actually saying it though.

  •  human-animal hybridization (4.00)
    must have been a metaphor.
  •  Iraqi contractor arrested (none)

    I would prefer my tax dollars go to the soilders having body armor rather than sexual favors...

    http://nytimes.com/...

    Don't push me 'cause I'm close to the edge

    by Cat4everrr on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:14:43 PM PST

  •  Hey, (none)
    Bush thought it sounded good so he said it. They have no plan to reduce oil to those targets. It was ridiculous from the get-go. Don't believe a thing that man says. Haven't we learned that already!
  •  Bush: (4.00)
    "Oh, so that's what 75 percent means? Yeah, no, screw that. I was, like, wasted -- er, yeah, no, just no."
    •  here is what happened to President Math/Science (none)
      Before the speech, Bush was told that Exxon had purchased 4 Brazilian oil tankers.  Well, it wasn't until after the SOTUs that he asked "how many are there in a brazillion, anyway?"

      An election does not make a democracy.

      by seesdifferent on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:02:12 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Flip-flopper (none)
    I really hope that someone calls him that publicly... maybe I'll write a letter to my local newspaper (doubt they would publish it though it's pretty red down here).

    Spies, Cries, and Lies: Brought to you by the Republican Party

    by Whitney S on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:15:22 PM PST

  •  Perhaps they are making (none)
    it up as they go along.There certainly seems to be some indication of that.

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:16:38 PM PST

  •  From now on... (4.00)
    For every single statement that comes out of the Whitehouse, a member of the media needs to ask: "Does the president mean that literally?"  
  •  heh, sweet find kos (none)
    At least Cindy Sheehan meant what she said (on her tee-shirt).
    •  Sweet indeed. (none)
      Kos has been on fire for the past few days.  Strong and sure -hitting them right out of the ballpark.

      <div style="color: #a00000;"> Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshal

      by bronte17 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:27:49 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Bullshit - No make that Bushshit -check this (4.00)
    "In the three and a half years since September the 11th, 2001, we've taken unprecedented actions to protect Americans."

    Do the math. Bush must have  recyled  a speech made a year ago or he is just a moron. Hey Bush, don't try to make us forget that this 'war' has already lasted longer than WW II.

  •  Maybe He Forgot to Clear it With Cheney (4.00)
    And then Cheney had one of his secret meetings with oil CEO's, and then they set the chimp straight.

    "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars." William Jennings Bryan

    by Navy Vet Terp on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:18:27 PM PST

  •  Bush was never much on ending addictions (4.00)
    Maybe he could have proposed a twelve-step program.

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:18:34 PM PST

  •  Maybe some Saudi prince (3.75)
    called to complain.
    •  You mean like this? (4.00)
      From the Financial Times ($$$)

      Opec issues warning on Bush oil pledge

      The Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries on Wednesday warned that President George W. Bush's proposal to reduce US dependence on Middle Eastern oil could badly jeopardise needed investment in Gulf oil production and refining capacity.

      Big Oil talks, Monkeyboy Listens

  •  Right (4.00)
    Seeing as it was Bush that said it, it could only be meant illiterally.

    Can anyone tell me why my American flag was made in China?

    by Skid on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:20:59 PM PST

  •  Exxon has passed peak oil (4.00)
    When Exxon announced the biggest quarterly profit in history analysts pointed out that Exxon was not able to produce as much as the year before. Production declined over 3% despite record high prices and demand. Katrina destroying Gulf oil facilities accounts for a small part of this. Exxon's reserves aren't keeping up with current demand.
  •  It's true to a certain extent (4.00)
    America is going to import less oil from the Middle East in 2025, because by that time there'll be a lot less of it coming out of the ground.


    Finem respice et principiis obsta—Consider the end, and thwart the beginning

    by Del C on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:21:56 PM PST

  •  Sorry Poppy -- I forgot you and the Fahd's were (4.00)
    so close.  Yes, I know.  They got me out of that Harken mess.  Yes, Poppy - The Carlysle Group has been very good to us.  Yes, Poppy -- Mr. Cheney said it wasn't a very good idea.  Yes, Poppy -- I do enjoy our weekend's at Walker's Point.  Yes Poppy -- I do realize that we, as a family, have dealt with worse people that the Fahds.  Yes, Poppy - I know that they weren't real Nazis. I am sorry Poppy.  Boy, I wish I had listened to you Poppy.
  •  Maybe what he meant was (none)
    %75 less [S]oil by 2025.

    "In the beginning the universe was created. This has been widely criticized and generally regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams

    by LithiumCola on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:22:17 PM PST

  •  NBC gave them the idea (4.00)
    when Lauer and others said, "Well, What Howard Dean said was technically true...'

    Not we have the disclaimers, "The President didn't mean that literally..."

    What was that bit mocking "reality-based" again?

  •  Assholes (4.00)
    I know that isn't a very productive subject, but I am so disgusted, and I got nothing else whatsoever...

    One of my clients called today, and before we spoke business, he said;  "So, you gonna face your addiction?"

    I was taken aback a  bit, and then said; "You stole my line; dude..."

    I didn't watch 1 frame of that retarded cheerleader, (I watched Loose Change; Second Edition) and I have had to put up with the fallout for better than twentyfour hours now...

    I just watched Murtha kick their ass sideways on SlanderBall,,,  A blind man could see that Rep Murtha was the one for the dem response, not Kaine-  WHO MADE THAT DECISION!!!  

    Persistent pathetic Administration policies, and consistent neutered non-alternatives from the establishment opposition-

    Both cannot end soon enough.

    ...we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings- John F. Kennedy

    by RF on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:24:06 PM PST

    •  Subject and [n/t] . . . would have worked (none)
      We know what you meant - no details needed - the subject worked just fine for me!

      Make the most of yourself, for that is all there is of you..... Ralph Waldo Emerson

      by SallyCat on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:41:43 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Mars! (4.00)
    Bush couldn't care less what crap he spews at the SOTU. As long as it sounds good at the time.

    New Orleans - The Birthplace of American Music - help the The New Orleans Musicians Hurricane Relief Fund

    by Ramar on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:24:26 PM PST

  •  Shameless (none)
    No matter how many times it is exhibited, the shamelessness of this administration never ceases to shock me.

    One of the biggest obstacles to aligning public support against him, is the difficulty people have accepting the idea that the President of the United States could be so boldy dishonest and evil.

  •  He says what he means but doesn't mean what he say (none)
    Sort of - He says what he means but doesn't mean what he says.
  •  Attention! (4.00)
    Chew on this.  In his follow-up at the Grand Old Opry Today he called himself the "educator-in-chief".  Ohmigawd.

    "He that sees but does not bear witness, be accursed" Book of Jubilees

    by Lying eyes on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:25:34 PM PST

  •  'You guys want it both ways'...isn't that what (none)
    the Republicans used to love to say about liberal values?

    <div style="display:inline;color:#CCC">The dark at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming age.</div>

    by peeder on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:25:48 PM PST

  •  Bush would never make false claims (4.00)
    In a SOTU address

    www.washingtonpost.com :

    Referring to Iraq, he said the United States is "continuing reconstruction efforts." He did not use the word "spending" because officials say the administration does not intend to seek any new funds for Iraq reconstruction in the budget request to be submitted to Congress this month. About $18 billion was previously budgeted, and $16 billion of that has been committed, but nearly a third was devoted to security and law enforcement.

    It's a great article, it also goes after Bush's claims that other presidents did the same thing in regards to the warrantless surveillance (oops, terrorist tracking).

    The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

    by NYC Sophia on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:25:50 PM PST

    •  tag line......... (none)
      The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

      They lie, because they're not there in order to govern.  Not in the least.  

      I haven't quite figured out what they ARE there for.  But it sure as fuck ain't to govern.


      He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot - Groucho Marx

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:56:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  What he meant... (4.00)
    ...was that we won't be importing as much oil because we're going to invade every country in the Middle East (and Venezuela for good measure -- they have oil too) and turn them into American territories. Since they'll be American possessions, taking the oil technically wouldn't be considered importing.

    After last night's shenanigans, I think we need Cindy Sheehan to rebut the State of the Union. Forget the Dem politicians -- let's shine the spotlight on Cindy. No one has been more effective at exposing BushCo's bullshit than her.

    Thwarting the forces of conservatism since 1978. -7.63, -5.64

    by wiscmass on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:26:24 PM PST

  •  the only thing he really meant... (none)
    was that he would ban the creation human-animal hybrids. because that activity is rampant in the genetics laboratories of America.
  •  la, la, le la la (none)
    We all live in La La Land. I laughed out loud. What next? He didn't literally mean "my fellow Amuricins"?

    The left should be on the left, not the center or the right.

    by ThanxAl on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:26:53 PM PST

  •  I think it was a typo in the story (none)
    what his energy secretary and national economic adviser really said was that his comments were not to be taken "liberally."
  •  Unbelievable. (4.00)
    Every day I am more and more embarrassed by this idiot and the people who worship him. Clinton lied about sex and was pilloried. Bush lies about everything and his followers look on adoringly like the moonies at a mass wedding.

    "I was Rambo in the disco. I was shootin' to the beat. When they burned me in effigy. My vacation was complete." Neil Young. Mideast Vacation.

    by Mike S on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:27:50 PM PST

  •  The only conversation all day long in the halls (none)
    Was: "What in the world was Bush trying to say last night?"

    Literally nobody got it.

    The Republicrime Party is coming for your money and your life.

    by cskendrick on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:27:55 PM PST

  •  I can just imagine (none)
    them sitting there, mouths open in horror as the words spewed from his mouth during the speech.    
  •  one crucial word missing from the SOTC (4.00)
    Conservation

    On Sept 12th, 2001, this chimp should have stood before the nation  with this following:

    • National 55MPH speed limit

    • $1/gallon Federal gas tax {with tax credits for anyone making under $50,000 to make the pampered SUV crowd feel the most pain}

    • The tax money and more to go to alternate clean energy research and development

    Instead, we have billions in subsidies to oil companies, and a world record profit by Exxon/Mobil

    Isn't that great?

    "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty, soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

    by shpilk on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:30:41 PM PST

  •  Maybe He's Going To Reduce Oil Use (4.00)
    By having everybody drive these new animal-human hybrids.
    •  Hey that's pretty funny (none)
    •  It is pretty funny. n/t (none)

      -9.25, -7.54

      Who's a guy got to deny having sex with to get impeached around here?

      by Marc in KS on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:20:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  No, we can go back to getting around on horses (none)
      Of course, that will ground Bush, since he is scared of them. And is he going to all these speeches he is giving around the country touting his "new" programs by train?? No, he is flying around in gas guzzling Air Force One. If he really meant it about conserving, he would have a Presidential train and use that, instead of using a jet. And then SUVs on the ground. A whole cavalcade of them.

      I am going up to MD from FL soon, and am taking the train instead of flying. I will thereby not use fuel that is polluting, I will have a nice meal on the train(much better than the snack you get on a plane!) and will arrive in the morning which is convenient for me.

      Save fuel, use Amtrak!! Train travel is fun, and comfortable. And if there is a wreck, you don't hit the ground from 30,000 feet.

      What happens when Bush takes Viagra? he gets taller. Robin Williams

      by Demfem on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:28:44 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  BWAH! (none)
      That made me laugh out loud. You should spread that joke far and wide.
  •  How is this clarification? (none)
    What the president meant, they said in a conference call with reporters, was that alternative fuels could displace an amount of oil imports equivalent to most of what America is expected to import from the Middle East in 2025.

    And pigs might fly.

    •  "Could" is not a policy (4.00)
      (Just as "second guessing" is not.)

      I could theoretically learn how to harness the energy latent in the cat litter box, but I'm not betting the farm on it.

      WHAT an asshat (the president, not you).

      •  Not just Preznit Asshat (none)
        ...all his other little asshats spewing this nonsense.

        Alan Hubbard, the director of the president's National Economic Council, projects that America will import 6 million barrels of oil per day from the Middle East in 2025 without major technological changes in energy consumption.

        The Bush administration believes that new technologies could reduce the total daily U.S. oil demand by about 5.26 million barrels through alternatives such as plug-in hybrids with rechargeable batteries, hydrogen-powered cars and new ethanol products.

        These are just fairy tales.

  •  Best Commentary on SOTU (none)
    I didn't watch Bush, never have.  However, I listened to a few commentaries (gag, puke) and read a few more.

    I read this excellent commentary on DKos.  It describes the "bullshit" in a little more detail.
    http://www.dailykos.com/...  

  •  Second thoughts (none)
    Or, probably first thoughts. Someone with a brain, probably someone outside the inner circles of the administration, probably pointed out that those nations that supply the United States might just take him ast his word and sell what they have to someone else on a long-term contract.
  •  The NEW "16 words" (none)
    just not as horrendous.
    Breakthroughs on this and other new technologies will help us reach another great goal: to replace more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025.
  •  Question for the media.. (4.00)
    Dear CNN, FOX, NBC, CBS,etc.

    You gave the President's SOTU speech free coverage on primetime TV. Will you cover his retraction of his SOTU promises with as much zeal? When can I expect you to break into network programming to inform the public that the President mis-spoke? Don't the American people deserve it?

    "Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere"

    by Morbo on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:35:04 PM PST

    •  The "see what sticks" style of governing (none)
      Can this be a better example of how this administration does business?  As you correctly point out, we won't hear anything or very little about this on the MSM so his lie will live for the next year.  Most Americans will remember the lie and not know the truth.

      I'll bet you could poll most Americans 3 months from now and people would assume we are reducing our dependance.  Bush gets his sound bite.  Just like the "Saddam is trying to buy uranium from Africa..."

  •  WH press corps (none)
    ask a question that holds someone responsible, not in this era of wingnut ass kissing, maybe the reporters (reporters LOL) can ask Clinton another one of their probing questions, they obviously don't have the stones or courage to hold the GOP to the same standards as DEM admins.
    PEACE!
    •  Exactly (none)
      Like the press would follow up on this. This was probably released and will be left to die outside of a few liberal blogs and websites.

      Meanwhile, all those not engaged in politics out there who casually watched the address now think Dubya is all about cutting oil imports, as he gives the wink and nod to oil companies and his supporters.

      The future's here, we are it, we are on our own.

      by Frank Roberts on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:40:42 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  They could crucify Scotty tomorrow (none)
      Seriously, just take turns going over the speech line by line to determine how much of it was literal.

      He'd snap. He's been very close to it for a while now.

      By the way, what does it mean to figuratively reduce oil dependence from the mideast by 75%? Is it like figurativelty paying a credit card bill, or figurativelty losing six pounds?

      •  If what I've read is true, (none)
        we only get about ten percent of our oil from there.  So figuratively seventy-five percent of ten percent means figuratively about seven and a half percent, figuratively.

        See?  It's all in how you catapult the propaganda.

        -9.25, -7.54

        Who's a guy got to deny having sex with to get impeached around here?

        by Marc in KS on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:15:32 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  just another lie (none)
    passed on to America. I am sure it was just an oversight by some speechwriter. - Yeh, and monkeys fly out of my butt.

    He was born with a gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.

    by Patrizio on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:35:56 PM PST

  •  And Ditto Bush's pro-life pandering lies about (none)
    stopping animal-human hybrid research are whole cloth.

    I have it on good authority, that and this moment the Bushco is a engaged in an intensive Rove-supervised research program the raise up the next generation of intelligently designed animal-human hybrid republican voters.

  •  It would seem that (none)
    Emily Litella is still employed by the White House Communications staff.
  •  I think Bush needs to phone home... (none)
    Check this link.
    ET, phone home

    Certainty generally is illusion, and repose is not the destiny of man. - OWH

    by blockbuster on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:40:20 PM PST

  •  LET THEM DRINK OIL, SAYS BUSH (none)
    President Bush defended the huge profits of Exxon Mobil Corp. Wednesday, saying they are simply the result of the marketplace and that consumers socked with soaring energy costs should not expect price breaks.

    In an interview with The Associated Press, Bush also addressed oil's future, offering a more ambitious hope than in his State of the Union speech for cutting imports from the volatile Mideast.

    However, he said his oft-stated goal of a Palestinian state in the region cannot be realized if a Hamas-led government refuses to renounce its desire to destroy Israel.

    Bush, a former Texas oilman, said of oil costs, "I think that basically the price is determined by the marketplace and that's the way it should be."

  •  Everything.... (none)
    ..that comes out of that man's mouth is bullshit.  That's why I avoid subjecting myself to the sound of his voice as much as possible.
    •  Bush is a lie (none)
      He couldn't speak the truth if you asked him his name. I wonder if this is some sort of karmic thing that makes him lie all the time? Maybe no self esteem, who knows? And who cares, at this point, just get this lying frat boy out of office.
  •  for crying out f*()ing loud (none)
    Its one thing when a politician mispeaks and his or her flack backs it up by saying he/she didn't really mean it. But the SOTU is the single-most prepared statement in the entire history of political speech; its practiced repeatedly and the text is honed for weeks or months.

    The day after, they decide 'nevermind'?

    At what point does the WH press corps simply decide there is no useful information whatsoever to be gained and simply decamp en masse and find something else to cover?

  •  Explain this Scotty (none)
    and please explain to me the other points in the SOTU that perhaps wern't meant as they sounded.Really I'm curious.I really want to know.Oh right .Another gooper wasted exercise.

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:42:26 PM PST

  •  whew (none)
    whew, so I take it all he said was bullshit as usual.
     I guess thats great news for the pig/men of 2025 who want to drive gas guzzlers.
  •  <insert scream here> (none)
    Listen..........

    <<<<it's emmasnacker laughing and crying.>>>

    This one gets sent to the entire mailing list.
    What an asshat.

  •  chimpy speak (none)
    Bush lied thousands died.Heh-heh(shrug-inane grin)

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:43:41 PM PST

  •  Oy (none)
    Asked why the president used the words "the Middle East" when he didn't really mean them, one administration official said Bush wanted to dramatize the issue in a way that "every American sitting out there listening to the speech understands." The official spoke only on condition of anonymity because he feared that his remarks might get him in trouble.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:43:52 PM PST

  •  He learned it from the Fundies (none)
    ...just like the fundies always claim they interpret the Bible literally, until they don't like what it says. Then, when it says Jesus turned water into wine, well, it was really not wine at all, but Welch's grape juice-- No! It was wine, but not wine as we know it today, but some kind of non-alcoholic wine, or... whatever, but really, we interpret the Bible literally!
  •  Ya know, (none)
    a lot of people voted for Bush in 2004, but the New York Times just discovered they didn't literally mean they wanted him for president.  

    The Times has been sitting on that story for 2 years.

    I mean, geez, who takes things that come out of Bushes mouth seriously, or elections for that matter.

  •  "We've always been . . . . " (none)
    "We've always been . . . . "

    Fill in the blank with this Administration and then EVERYTHING makes perfect sense..

    Orwell strikes again!

    ....at war with Oceania.

  •  I think I just hurt myself (4.00)
    This:

    the president didn't mean it literally.

    made me laugh hysterically and sob uncontrollably all at the same time.

  •  I predict (none)
    Bush will probably end up being one hundred percent correct, although not for the reasons he means. It's likely US oil imports will be down by a lot - perhaps even 75% - by 2025, but that's only because the supply will be dwindling.
  •  Possibility Is The Point (none)
    The threat of a 75% reduction is itself a weapon. It's quite doable by 2025, given nuke power, shale oil, tar sands and more, and the sum of yesterday's statement plus today's is: the US will do it unless oil money stops subsidizing terrorism. I think OPEC just got a warning shot across its bow.

    [It was also politically astute of Bush, re this November, to make the initial announcement, but today's underling comment looks like its for a different agenda]

    •  OPEC laughed (none)
      they knew he wasn't serious. I mean a big oil man looking to in essence put himself out of business?
      •  Not Teetotaling, Just Switching Brands (none)
        Daryl24,

        Can't agree. This is an oil man threatening to drill elsewhere, not teetotal.

        And developing alternate sources to handle increased energy demands still leaves the existing oil biz at the same levels.

        •  He's was never serious (none)
          That was a good old fashioned Monty Python nudge,nudge,wink,wink. Big Oil can only see more oil.
        •  And if you think OPEC took that seriously (none)
          I have a bridge to sell you.

          BushCo has spent, and continues to spend, billions of dollars on its little Iraq project - to say nothing of all the people they killed.  And then they're just going to walk away from the oil?  Yeah right.

          If BushCo was actually concerned about oil money funding terrorism, so concerned they'd swear off Middle East oil, as you speculated above, they would've stopped buddying up to the Saudis a long time ago.

  •  The guy in the White House is a flip-flopper (none)
    What an idiot!
  •  Jeepers (none)
    Couldn't they at least have waited 24 hours?
  •  I am cofused. (none)
    I heard on Al Franken's show this aftewr that we only get 25% of our oil from the mid east at present.
     Africa. So. Am., Mex., Us., ?
  •  translation of Bush policies (4.00)
    Lets translate Bushspeak to human:

    "We will do everything possible to cut down America's dependence on foreign oil as long as we don't actually have to do anything to cut down this dependency."

    After all, Bush and the companies who donate money to him have a major stockholder that will be really pissed off if America reduces oil dependency. This stockholder is a company named Kingdom Holdings, the company built by the Sauidi Royal Princes and in its own ads in BusinessWeek and Fortune they say that they've invested billions in major US companies, most of them with a track record of supporting Bush. It would be impossible to cut down dependence on Mideast oil when Saudi Arabia has lots of American companies by the balls.

    You know of course that this slip up reveals just how little thought Bush's handlers put into his speeches and promises. If a major promise of an energy conscious agenda in being retracted in less then 12 hours... somebody didn't think the speeches through.

    •  It is no slip up (4.00)
      To understand Bushspeak all you have to do is put a "not" at the end of any sentence that sounds mildly progressive.  "We will work to bring health care to the poor" -- not.  The public and the MSM fall for it every time.  The MSM run to the microphones to say that "Bush is reaching out to the other side of the aisle."  

      But we who have broken the Rove/Bushspeak code know he is "reaching out to the other side of the aisle" -- NOT.

      Don't let him sucker you in any more.

      When you are going through hell, keep going! - Winston Churchill

      by flo58 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:09:13 PM PST

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      •  Bushspeak - so true (none)
        In this case I have to wonder if they're using the old newspaper retraction technique.  Say something when you know it will get a lot of press, then retract it and maybe 10% of the original audience ever hears/reads the corrected information.

        On Bush: "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." --(borrowed from) Churchill

        by joanneleon on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:08:14 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  EXACTLY! (none)
          They do it all the time.  Why the news people don't call them on it is a mystery to me  

          Well, they don't seem to catch on...

          When you are going through hell, keep going! - Winston Churchill

          by flo58 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 09:23:03 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Selecting A Baseline (none)
    BTW, the "retraction" was to answer the q of what baseline was being used: is it a 75% reduction from a baseline of today's import levels, or from a baseline of the projected import levels for 2025. Sounds pretty innocuous, actually, and overreacting to it will cost the D's credibility.
  •  When Bush leaves.. (none)
    or people physically storm the White House and toss him onto the street, the Colbert Report will have to be cancelled.  So having Bush in office does have at least one silver lining.
    •  No no no... (none)
      ...the Colbert Report will only end when Coulter catches herself on fire, Hannity is revealed to love trolling for underage Vietnamese boys with 'both sex organs,' and O'Reilly kills himself on air after pictures of him in an Abu Gharib-like bondage club with a falafel up his ass shows up online.  

      And Colbert, being from Strangers With Candy, won't do one of those.  Guess which one;  the man is hardcore. ;)

      <snark>

  •  "As long as I'm the Dictator, I'll say what (4.00)
    I damn well please and there's nothing you can do about it.  I don't even have to mean it."

    See?  A dictatorship really is easier!

    Being liberal means one is for civil liberties, equality, social justice, fairness. ... How can someone be too liberal? Dr. P.Z. Myers

    by maybeeso in michigan on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:59:48 PM PST

  •  off topic but (none)
    President Jimmy Carter is on larry king right now. Refreshing to listen to a peaceful man of peace speak in full sentences that aren't scripted and that he fully comprehends.
  •  Bush-speak (4.00)
    How many times before we get it???

    George Bush has made a career of voicing words that comfort us to convince us he is not radical, only to do the exact opposite of those comforting words. He evidently did it again last night.  He said we need to end our addiction on oil.  What he meant was we need to depend on oil until we all see what a brilliant man he was for invading Iraq to ensure our oil supply.  Anyone who has paid attention to the chasm between his words and his actions, could have predicted it.  

    Bush-speak is just the opposite of what he is saying. He did this when he promised to re-build New Orleans whithout every intending to lift a finger to re-patriate the tens of thousands of African Americans who made Louisiana a Bluish State.  He did this when he said was a uniter, not a divider, then proceeding to work in the most divisive way possible.  He did it when he said he was a compassionate conservative and then turned around did everything he could to cut off aid to the poor.  He is the ultimate con man.  

    Any time he says something you don't expect from him look out.   It means he is preparing to stick a knife in your back.  

    When you are going through hell, keep going! - Winston Churchill

    by flo58 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:02:11 PM PST

  •  thank god someone's being responsible (none)
    this whacky, green hippy president of ours needs to be stopped!
    "The president's dangerous rhetoric that we are addicted to oil is an indication that the administration is addicted to confused thinking about energy policies."

    I dream of cherry pies, candy bars, and chocolate chip cookies. We used to microwave, now we just eat nuts and berries.

    by sadair on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:05:00 PM PST

  •  Unbelievable!!! (none)
    But he can get away with it because he's "protecting us" and that's all that matters!

    It's time to be a Democrat!

    by annefrank on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:06:53 PM PST

  •  What about when... (none)
    ...Ari Fleischer said it was America's right to use oil...the Dems should be playing that soundbite - and then playing the segment from Bush's speech last night.

    What if the Hokey Pokey is what it's all about?

    by Rotobabe on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:06:58 PM PST

  •  truthiness (none)
    The president just wanted to give a sense of truthiness that would appeal to americans more then the actual truth.
  •  I knew it was all a lie! (none)
    How could I fall for this again! That man is such a tease!! Is everything he said, then a mere lie?

    (I'm reaching the heights of sarcasm, btw)

    Got a brief blog whoring post up, emphasis on the post SOTU musings from the blogosphere.

    Check it out, leave a message. (beep)

    JP
    http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com

    Defending bad taste and liberalism since 2005.

    by jurassicpork on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:11:05 PM PST

  •  Like we didn't see this one coming. (none)
    :eyesroll:

    When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit.

    by CO Democrat on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:11:17 PM PST

  •  Baghdad Scott (a/k/a "BS): (none)

     "Well, as the President has made clear on many previous occassions, and as I have told you before, everything he says is a bald-faced lie."

     And then we woke up.

    BenGoshi
    ___________________

    We're working on many levels here. Ken Kesey

    by BenGoshi on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:14:29 PM PST

  •  Welcome to Bizzaro World (none)
    What has this country come to!
  •  Boycott Exxon (none)
    Meanwhile, Exxon Mobil Corp. recorded a record $36 billion profit last year -- the largest on record for any company -- and Bush says, ""I think that basically the price is determined by the marketplace and that's the way it should be."

    Well another aspect of the marketplace is consumer demand, and it's time to starve the beast. Not that the other oil companies are any better, but the American consumer must start somewhere -- and that is with shameless Exxon and its price-gouging. Do not buy ANY Exxon products ... gas, oil, baseball caps -- ANY ... until it responds to the "marketplace" and begins giving some of the profits back to the consumer by lowering prices.

  •  So what now? (none)
    They don't even try to mean what they are saying anymore? 24 hours??? Let's say I told my kid yesterday that I would take him to Great Wolf Lodge if he went to sleep. Then today when he asked about the trip I grinned my evil grin and said... 'Oh baby, I didn't mean that. I just needed to get through the night'

    "If you're going through hell, keep going". -Winston Churchill

    by One bite at a time on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:17:41 PM PST

  •  What GREAT NEWS!! (none)
    Now I can get back to work on my "humalope" since he must not have meant what he said about banning people-animal hybrids either!

    BWHAHAHAHA!!!!

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who will watch the watchers?)

    by The Crusty Bunker on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:18:50 PM PST

  •  conventional wisdom now (none)
    What Bush says means the opposite.
  •  They put it out-there... (4.00)
    in front of a big audience, then they take it back when the big audience is gone. The big audience thinks, "Wow, he's really working for America." Mission accomplished.

    -- What really makes America, America?

    by mike101 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:31:56 PM PST

  •  Here's a question for y'all (none)
    Since this retraction/flip-flop occurred in a telephone conference call with reporters (note plural), why is Knight Ridder the only one reporting it?

    If I were a kazillionaire, I'd buy up KR in a heartbeat. It's done the best genuine reporting and fact-checking in the past five years.

    So where are the other news outlets with this information?

    •  Exactly. (none)
      And what percentage of the people who heard Bush's SOTU will ever hear about this retraction/correction?  

      On Bush: "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." --(borrowed from) Churchill

      by joanneleon on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:11:08 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Actually, this guy is right . . . (none)
    Oil is a liquid commodity. If you refuse to buy from one place, you buy from another. Someone else somewhere else makes up the difference.

    So, it is not a flip flop, it was just a stupid thing to say from the beginning. You may just as well say you will no longer breathe oxygen from Iran.

    That said, reducing our dependence on oil (to avoid the volatility and environmental damage) is good.

    In other words, this economic advisor is left to clean up Bush's rhetorical mess when it is time to talk to the adults.

    Just sayin'

  •  Well obviously... (none)
    ...How could anyone have taken that to mean we would literally reduce imports by 75% by the year 2025?
    People have no sense of the nuances of Bush-speak.

    You can be sure you've created God in your own image when it turns out he hates all the same people you do -- Anne Lamott

    by slappy1218 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:49:20 PM PST

    •  Just like he's going to cut the deficit (none)
      in half by 2009.  Yup.  We're makin' good progress on that one too.  Heckuva job.  That "Deficit Reduction" thing that passed in the House again today is a good first step.  You know, that "deficit reduction" bill that actually ends up increasing the deficit (after you factor in the tax cuts)?

      We should ask Congress to pony up some funding for classes for all Americans - "Orwellian Bushspeak as a Second Language."

      On Bush: "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." --(borrowed from) Churchill

      by joanneleon on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:31:30 PM PST

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  •  Loved this line from the K-R account (none)
    "The official spoke only on condition of anonymity because he feared that his remarks might get him in trouble."
  •  Interpreting W (none)
    It's much better not to take Bush literally.  The results otherwise are far too disturbing:

    "Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
    - President Bush, September 2004.

    Here's more on the four ways to interpret Bush-speak...

  •  Junkies (none)
    If y'all every knew a junkie you can
    understand the SOTU comment. They
    will readily admit their dependence
    when cornered...and claim repentance...
    anything for a few more hours of hype.
    Except that I have empathy for true junkies
    while I have none for corporate pushers.
    You can't claim victimization when you
    are pushing the dope GW.
  •  Reminds me (none)
    of Bush stating that we're only eavesdropping on incoming calls from AQ, and administration officials having to correct that the next day.  Man, must these people wish they could just keep Bush gagged 24/7.

    I also think that araujo's coined phrase upthread (which doesn't seem to have gotten much attention) of Bush saying "Let them drink oil" should be picked up and used constantly by us this year - people are pissed off over the heating and gas prices, Exxon's reporting record profits, and the Rethugs are giving Exxon huge tax breaks while slashing spending for the poor.  I think that phrase would have real resonance - it's short, memorable, a perfect soundbite.

  •  Ah yes... (none)
    ...the symbolic 75%...

    --- Long Beach Election.com - Serving Long Beach, California.

    by opendna on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 07:42:07 PM PST

  •  CEI smackdown played a part? (none)
    From Salon via Competitive Enterprise Institute "The president's dangerous rhetoric that we are addicted to oil is an indication that the administration is addicted to confused thinking about energy policies," says Myron Ebell, CEI's director of energy policy. "As bad as the policies proposed by President Bush are, the addiction rhetoric is much worse. President Bush might as well have said, `we're addicted to prosperity, comfort, and mobility, and I've got the policies to do something about it.' tsk tsk...bushie making the free enterprise people non-too-happy with his rhetoric. good thing he didn't mean it. so crank up the thermostats, gas up those hummers, and don't feel guilty about buying all the crap that walmart sells courtesy of china. conservation...who needs it??? <snark>
  •  And yet not one anal Dem said (none)
    from 1977 to 1997 we din't need to import a higher
    percentage of oil because car mileage requirements  were always raised by Congres and then the Republicans refused. Also that the dick Chene claimed trying using conservation was a virtue not a cure and  that only DRILLING for more oil would work.
    Number two, Bush hopes to do in six years what Brazil and other 3rd world countries are doing NOW and that Japan and Korea which import 100% of their oil, have learned how to conserve.
    Bush is a problem, the bigger prblem is find a Democrat with brains that is in politics.
  •  Why does the media even report what Bush says? (none)
    It's too bad there is no independent mainstream news anymore because if there was, they'd simply stop telling us what the President says.

    He's proven again and again that the words he utters are completely irrelevant to the truth.  They are often meant to mislead and often he has no intention of following through.

    --We're going to get Osama Dead or Alive

    --Clean skies initiative

    --Iraq seeking yellowcake from Niger

    --Anyone who leaked the name of a covert operative will be fired

    --We're going to save social security

    --We're going to cut dependence on foreign oil by 75%

    This list goes on and on. Over and over again, the President says things that have no meaning.  And the media just continues to 'dutifully' report to us what he's saying, as if it matters at all in the real world.  

    They have to stop.  

    What Bush says is no longer news.  It has no meaning behind it whatsoever. He has lost his credibility and it's time for the media to deal with him the way that people with no credibility need to be dealt with:  by paying attention only to their actions, not their words.  

  •  Someone get the Whitehouse a new dictionary please (none)
    The word "truth" seems to be missing.

    This is like the athlete who claimed he was misquoted in his autobiography.

    My god.

  •  this doesn't seem to be a big deal (none)
    GWB said he wants to reduce oil imports from the Middle East (ME) by 75% by 2025. The next day, the statement was clarified by Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman. What GWB meant was that by 2025 he wants to decrease total oil imports by X, where X happens to equal 75% of our current projected 2025 ME oil imports. But just like any other commodity, when you buy a bunch of oil you don't know where the particular oil you end up with came from. So the rhetoric was clumsy, but not quite the big deal kos (and Atrios) made it out to be.
    •  Except for that it's a HUGE DEAL (none)
      because Bush's so-called "clumsy rhetoric" (you are a troll)... laugh...

      his clumsy rhetoric was put forth in order to convince Americans that we were cutting our proportional ties to oil from the middle east in large part for National Security reasons.

      When his energy secretery tells me today that the words Bush used, the "non-literal ones"; those words which explained quite plainly and simply a totally different concept of what oil importation would look like in 2025 than what the energy secretery outlined...

      where we would still be battling for our share of the remaining oil there...

      to those of us who aren't fake liberals trolling around on sites to try and wash over Bush's blatant lies on this... this is all quite clear and apparent.

      Get real. "clumsy rhetoric." Your argument is clumsy semantics, mostly because it makes entirely the wrong point...

      which is typical of your ilk of fake-ass apologist.

  •  Bush didn't mean it literally... (none)

    MARTY : You play to a predominantly, uh predominantly a white audience, ... do you feel your music is racist in any way?

    DAVID: No!!

    NIGEL: No, no, of course not....

    DAVID : We pro...we say, we say "love your brother", ...              we don't say it, really, but...

    NIGEL: We don't literally say it.

    DAVID: No, we don't say it ... at all.

    NIGEL: No, we don't literally mean it, but we're not racists.

    DAVID : No, we don't believe it either, but...          that message should be clear anyway.

    NIGEL: We're anything but racists.

  •  new t-shirt slogan (none)
    Mo Rocca was on Countdown and he had a good t-shirt slogan "Last Year I went out to vote and all I got was the Stupid President"
  •  MOTIVATION OR BEING POLITE (none)
    Just because one man stands up before everyone else does not mean that his agenda (in the Middle East or whereever) was put at the top of the list of new objectives to be met.

    It that is the case, then America might as well all go back to Europe and the old world and turn this continent to the people whose homelands and whose agenda comes before that of Americans.

    Why not turn over America to the brothers and sisters of those who dominate the propaganda machine, with its uncanning similarity to the same type of propaganda that was used to demonize the religion and the people that people like Limblow, Cooltar, Hconnity, O'really, Squeal 'like a pig' Bork, Medheadved, Savrave and all these 'neo-Axis' propagandists are related to.  

    One of the great paradoxes of history is that people like coolter, a pseudo-jewess, Limblow, a pseudo-jew, Savrage, Medheadved both Jews and all these folks who dominate the propaganda machine and USE THE EXACT TYPE OF PROPAGANDA THAT THE NAZIS USED AGAINST THEIR PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS....they are today using this very divisive propaganda aginst americas 'salt of the earth,' the Gentiles.

    Limblow, Chonnity, Savrage, O'really??? Scarfaceborough and all these puppets of the anti-gentiles are the frontline of the anti-gentiles in the war against the gentiles.  To hear these sons and daughters of victims of the Nazis use the same propaganda to demonize democrats and those people who saved their parents and grandparents from the Germans and Axis powers IS SICKENING.

    When was the last time the Limblows, Chonnities, unCooltars, Savarages, Medheadveds, O'reallies and these rats attack the Germans and the present-day remnants of those who committed attrocities against their parents and grandparents in Germany.  THEY HAVE NOT ATTACKED THEM, NOT A SINGLE TIME!!!

    In fact, they have joined the very same people that are accused of committing attrocities in Germany and THEY ARE USING THE VERY SAME PROPAGANDA TACTICS AND EVIL SCHEMES THAT WAS USED AGAINS THEM.  WHY? WHY? WHY?

    Well, it is because the am radio propagandists and false 'sacred-bath' traitors serve one master.  That master is 'Christo-Zionism' and their waiting for the '1000 year Christian Reich' is all part of the 'prophesy' and self-fulfilling prophesy' they are waiting for.

    THE DESCENDENTS OF CANAAN AND THE PUSH TO ARMAGEDDON

    One of the most important aspects of American existence is religion.  It is the lies and propaganda of religion that was falsified during the Bible and led to the ILLEGAL ENSLAVEMENT OF BLACKS IN THE US AND THE TAKING OF ALMOST  ONE MILLION SQUARE MILES OF BLACK 'INDIAN' LANDS DURING THE 'LOUISIANA PURCHASE, (see "A History of the African-Olmecs," at www.AuthorHouse.com http://community.webtv.net/... )

    This spreading of religious lies and propaganda led to the illegal application of slavery on Blacks in the US WHO WERE FREE UP TO THE 1660'S.  The first Blacks to live on the continental USA were most likely groups like the Waschitaw, Gwale, Black Californian and other Black Negroid people.

    However, the first Blacks in the English colonies who were part of the colonial system WERE NOT SLAVES. They were forced into slavery based on false religious teachings CONCOCTED BY THE ANCESTORS OF THE LIMBLOWS, unCoolters, and all these modern propagandists and misleaders.

    Hence, today's propagandists owe the victims of their lies an appology.  They owe their very God an appology for lying and using God's name to enslave Africans and take lands that belonged to Africoid Indians and 'Red' Indians, see http://www.mu-atlantis.com

    THE HATRED FOR THE DESCENDENTS OF CANAAN

    The religious propagandists hatred for descendents of Ham led to the enslavement and genocide against Africans, American Indians, East Indians, Chinese and other people of Asia, Africa and the Americas.  The story was that Ham, the Black son of Noah did something so therefore a 'curse' (for three generations) was put on Canaan.  

    The descendents of Canaan today are which group of people?  It may shock many but that group are the Black Palestinians or 'Tribe of Aswad,' groups of people in parts of Africa (Canaanite/Phonecian descent), all Asians except Semites.  All Asians include Chinese, Japanese, East Indians, Malaysians, Koreans and others.  All these groups have a strong Negro gene called the cDe gene.  

    As for the Chinese, according to 'The Table of Nations,' their ancestor was called Fu Shi.  Fu Shi was the 'Noah' of China and he was said to have been a Negro.  Moreover, it is said that the after a flood in the Middle East, a descendent of Canaan called Heth (of the Hittites) who was a 'yellow' Negro, MIGRATED TO CHINA.  'Yellow' used by Blacks and Africans refer to either pure or mixed Blacks with the 'yellowish' complexion.

    POLICIES BASED ON 'CHRISTIANIZATION' OF CANAAN'S DESCENDENTS

    The world is heading to a conflict and that conflict will not be with the Arabs, Russians or Europe. It will be with people in Asia.  Why?  Because fundamentalists who dominate the propaganda machine of 'talkradio' are going to provoke it with the type of propaganda they are pushing against 'liberals' and other REAL AMERICANS WHO HAVE LIVED IN THE US FOR OVER FOUR HUNDRED YEARS.

    As soon as the American people realize that the false 'sacred-bath' provokers like the Limblows, Hconnities, Medheadveds, O'reallies, Savrages, false-blonde anti-gentile Missy unCooltar....and that bunch are against the American people, they will ask for BALANCE TO COUNTER THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE.  When that happens, these propagandists will start to attack the 'heathen' DESCENDENTS OF CANAAN in the East.

    Anyone who studies Germany before World War II, or the US BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR, will see how the propagandists pushed the world to war to serve their interests.  The false 'conservative' judases and traitors who have been trying to divide and destroy America's civilized traditions are the same people who day after day use the am radio stations to divide and shatter America with the FALSE PARADIGM OF 'RED STATES' VS 'BLUE STATES.'

    As long as one group of Americans support Christo-Zionism, these Americans are called "conservatives" and are allright with people like Limblow, CHonnity, unCoolter, Savrage, Medheadved, Scarfaceborough and all these 'pseudo-cons' who claim to be 'Jewish' or are in fact converted to Judaism not for love of Jews, but for love of the British-Isrealite, Christian-Zionist agenda that aims to make the Middle East a Christian Zion after the Armageddon has been accomplished.

    In retrospect, the self-fulfilling prophesy of bringing the world to its knees is being pushed by those who spit froth daily over the am radio talk-show circuit and the cable tv networks.

    THESE ARE THE 'UNTIGENTILES' AND HATERS OF AMERICA'S REPUTATION AS A NATION THAT HAS PROGRESSED AND ATONED FOR ITS PAST SINCE THE SIXTIES.

    THE LYING 'JUDASES' AND TRAITORS WOULD BE CONTENT IN TURNING AMERICA'S BLACK, WHITE, BROWN, RED, AND YELLOW 'GENTILES' INTO SLAVES.
    Their modern version of 'The Curse of Canaan' is to call people 'Liberal! Liberal! Liberal! IN THE VERY SAME MANNER THAT THEIR MENTORS, THE NAZIS CALLED EVERYONE 'LIBERALS, BOLSHEVICS OR JEWS.' America's gentiles should get out of their sleep.  America first, not the agenda of the Limblows, Savrages, unCoolters, O'reallies, Chonnities and all these dividers of America who care nothing about the American people.

    Fortunately, America's people will not allow it

    Knowledge is power; "Susu Economics," AuthorHouse.com "A History of Education Book II," Xlibris.com

    by susunomics on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:53:10 PM PST

  •  We should be all over this (none)
    It just made it to the main page at Fark.com...where people and the media get their news, unfortunately.

    I've already hit cnn and msnbc up with emails this morning.

  •  Where's the story? (none)
    Maybe I'm just dim, but I can't figure out what the fuss is about. The reporter made a politically charged statement at the start of the article, but the rest of the article doesn't do much to back it up. I saw the article before visiting DailyKos today and wrote about it at my own blog a little while ago, but in a nutshell, here's what I don't get: If you're going to cut petroleum imports by 75 percent, then obviously that fuel needs to be replaced by something, whether it be a domestically sourced fuel, new technology, or conservation. And if you're going to cut petroleum imports by anything less than 100%, you're still going to be importing some amount of petroleum, and barring an outright ban on Middle Eastern oil, some of that is going to come from the Middle East. I'm not a big fan of Bush's energy policies, but where's the story here?
  •  i know... (none)
    ...he's a liar, and shame on me for this but i am still absolutley shocked that it can be so transparent...

    does anyone realize or care?
    how about any of millions of Americans who get their news only from TV and the local paper??

    jesus what a depressing thought

  •  um, yeah, they're words, words, words .... (none)
    what i'm amazed at is that there's anything to backtrack on.  i mean, after all, Mideast oil is 20% of total consumption.  Bush claimed he wanted to cut that by 75% in 20 years.  heck, that's so small, the goal isn't even meaningful.

    also, with a speech so critical of protectionism and isolationism, he said nothing about repealing the 54 cent a gallon tax on ethanol from Brazil who've ALREADY perfected a non-oil fuel which cars can use.  (unless by Bush reckoning Brazil is in the Middle East.)  and, while we can't be certain until the REAL BUDGET is revealed and analyzed, he didn't talk specifics of how any of this would be PAID for.

    so, i think the flim-flam is that more folks will be watching him and remember what he says on the State of the Union, and fewer will pay attention the day after.

    hey, it's "public relations", viz, "organized lying".

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