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How in the heck do I get where I do on the internet? And don't I wish I never went there? Today was one of those days. Between hauling a load of hay and getting my old car broke down at the Rescue Squad building, I downloaded a bunch of pages off of disinfo.com.  Hadn't been there in a while. Wish I hadn't gone. Hate to HAARP on the weather, but I am reading this....

The Full Size Ionospheric Research Instrument FIRI stage, described as  "a maximum size of 180 antenna elements, arranged in 15 columns by 12 rows" is scheduled to be completed by mid-2006 (assuming the installation of the remaining dual transmitters), at which time the HAARP program will have reached its maximum FIRI capacity, meaning the ability to selectively modify, for military use, weather patterns anywhere in the World.

Gobbledygook, I think, then start following links.....

I am no Dark Syde.  Just an aging hippie who watches the weather for farming purposes and my own creature comfort, and that of the creatures that live with me on the farm. I don't know these people on these sites, and have not followed every link in their documentation.  I do know that we are in deep trouble because of BushCo, and have been for decades, due to the seemingly inherent inability of anyone in a position of power to call  ENOUGH OF THIS!, and have it believed by enough people with enough power and integrity to make a difference.  I do believe a lot of the things that I read this afternoon, and invite you to gather under the tarp with me this evening, sheltered from the blowing wind and snow.

No matter where the search started......it got this.

The unusual climatic occurrences in the US and Western Europe have been extensively documented.

However, what the news media has failed to underscore is that a number of unusual and dramatic climatic changes have occurred in recent years in countries which are identified as possible targets under the US Administration's pre-emptive war doctrine.

For instance,

In Iraq, Iran and  Syria, a devastating drought occurred in 1999. In Afghanistan, four years of drought in the years preceding the US led invasion in 2001, have led to the destruction of the peasant economy, leading to widespread famine. snip...

The manipulation of climate can be used to destabilize an enemy's economy, ecosystem and agriculture (e.g. North Korea or Cuba). Needless to say it can trigger havoc in financial and commodity markets and can potentially be used as an instrument of "insider trade" for financial gain. It has the ability of destabilizing a country's institutions. Concurrently, the disruption in agriculture creates a greater dependency on food aid and imported grain staples from the US and other Western countries.

How nice for Monsanto et al. , eh?

The Bush administration has stated that it reserves the right to attack these countries preemptively, with a view to ensuring the security of the American homeland.

All of the above

Moving along, from Congressman Dennis Kucinich

A bill (HR 2977 IH; Space Preservation Act of 2001) introduced to Congress by Congressman Dennis Kucinich on October 2, 2001, refers to exotic weapons systems including weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a 'target population' or region on earth or in space.  snip
Congress received an "unfavorable executive comment" from the U.S. Department of Defense.

Thomas, bless his heart, says....

(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or snip...

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

God Bless you sir, you tried. "unfavorable executive comment" indeed.  We be one with the sonared mammals now, don't we?  Please, may we have some more, Sir? See google for "if at first you don't succeed", and "The Little Engine That Could."

Moving along, too many tabs loaded.  I sometimes crash before I get a diary written!

The Official line.....via  abovetopsecret.com

According to John L. Heckscher of Philips Laboratory at Hanscom Air Force Base, potential military applications of the HAARP research include developing Department of Defense technology for detecting cruise missiles and communicating with submarines. "Although HAARP is being managed by the Air Force and the Navy it is purely a scientific facility that poses no threat to potential adversaries and has no value as a military target," he says. snip....

 Patent documents filed during an earlier research effort that evolved into the HAARP program outline further military applications of ionospheric-heating technology:

Creating a "full global shield" that would destroy ballistic missiles by overheating their electronic guidance systems as they fly through a powerful radio energy field.
Distinguishing nuclear warheads from decoys by sensing their elemental composition.

Manipulating local weather conditions.
uh huh.

 Now here's a bit of interest.

THIS STUDY WAS WRITTEN FOR THE AIR UNIVERSITY MILITARY WEBSITE.

 Check this google catche, documentation  on the above snips, from the abovetopsecret.com site. Catched text?   Links are 404,404,404 ad nauseum.

All the linkies deader than 4 o'clock.  Updated or scrubbed......you decide.

I'ma thinking that I have seen some bashing here on kos of the above top secret site, as being tfh. Acck, they do mention chemtrails, and a lot of the otherwise reality based folks here don't seem to have ever gotten a snotty sore throat after seeing them, or had to take the Asthma Kids to the ER for an emergency inhaler, if they have indeed ever seen any.  I wonder why the Mr.Bubbles?

By way of freepressinternational....

 

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations and it's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." -- Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.
SOURCE: DEFENCE LINK

And whotf are these "others"? Did he ever say? I confess, I did not read the whole piece. At least it ain't been 404'd.

I gotta get out of here.  The triple succotash is boiling, and I've just added a couple of extra cloves of garlic, just because.  
 

The strongest anti-viral effect of GE was demonstrated when it was applied continuously.

I'll leave you with more linkies. I can't stand any more. If you cant either, go away.

Dark Syde, waddaya think? Anything to this 2050  right the ding dang diddle now? thing?

 Owning The Weather
 Global Research.ca  More interesting articles than I can stand to read and think about right now, you?

Oh yeah, We don't need no stinking experts, we got Weather.
This may well been what set me off.

Originally posted to emmasnacker on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 06:12 PM PST.

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  •  One Question? (none)
    Just one question.

    Are you Crazy Dave from American Idol?

  •  Not sure... (none)
    ...if this is worth anything but a lot of the civilians that live in the villages near the HAARP project believe it's for weather manipulation.  This comes from weather anomolies they claim to have seen since it's inception.

    I don't know what to make out of HAARP myself.  

  •  DarkSyde is probably laughing too hard (4.00)
    so I'll take a shot at this.

    From the HAARP website:

    The HAARP Ionospheric Research facility will be a major Arctic facility for conducting upper atmospheric research. The facility will consist of two essential parts:
    A high power transmitter and antenna array operating in the High Frequency (HF) range. When complete, the transmitter will be capable of producing up to 3.6 million Watts to an antenna system consisting of 180 crossed dipole antennas arranged as a rectangular, planar array.

    A complete and extensive set of scientific instruments for observation of both the background auroral ionosphere and of the effects produced during active research using the transmitter system. Output from these instruments will be combined into an integrated data package which will be available world-wide in near real time over the internet.
    During active ionospheric research, the signal generated by the transmitter system is delivered to the antenna array, transmitted in an upward direction, and is partially absorbed, at an altitude between 100 to 350 km (depending on operating frequency), in a small volume a few hundred meters thick and a few tens of kilometers in diameter over the site. The intensity of the HF signal in the ionosphere is less than 3 microwatts per cm2, tens of thousands of times less than the Sun's natural electromagnetic radiation reaching the earth and hundreds of times less than even the normal random variations in intensity of the Sun's natural ultraviolet (UV) energy which creates the ionosphere. The small effects that are produced, however, can be observed with the sensitive scientific instruments installed at the HAARP facility and these observations can provide new information about the dynamics of plasmas and new insight into the processes of solar-terrestrial interactions.    

    This thing is run by the University of Alaska and is neither calssified nor a weapon. There are many real threats, like the new Bush budget, to worry about.

    Come see TV from the reality-based community at RealityBasedTV.com

    by MarkInSanFran on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 06:51:07 PM PST

  •  Google (none)
    two more subjects.
    Chemtrails and then
    Orgonite
    Have fun.
  •  They've been at this for years (none)
    There are studies and projects going back to the '50s, at the latest, documenting attempts to detonate bombs on fault lines, near coasts (to provoke tsunamis), etc. There was even some talk about detonating an atom bomb in the eye of a hurricane in order to dissipate it, and we can all be glad that nobody was actually stupid enough to try that. The military is always looking for any advantage, whether as a direct weapon or as a "force multiplier" and weather and terrain are still as crucial as they've ever been.

    My main concern, though, is that whatever the government is doing in terms of weather modification, for good or for ill, is going to be rendered impotent in the face of global warming, among other impending disasters and cyclical natural "disasters" that we're due for any time now (in geological time, at least). Essentially, we've been participating in a weather modification program of a scale that would dumbfound any conspiracy theorist, for an amount of time that would outlast most any conspiracy. I can't help but look at the recent, and very real, attempts to fund weather modification projects as attempts to purchase umbrellas against an imminent hurricane.

    •  S517 (none)
      [assed as far as I know.  Legitimizing a covert op because funding can be increased.  They no longer have to rely on the black bag budget.
      •  Possibly... (none)
        ... or, since the bill in question throws a few million dollars at Texas, it could be some good ol' boys helping themselves to a plateful of pork. Or it could even be what it says it is.

        I'm aware of the existence of "black ops," but I don't find much profit in speculating about what they might be. I'd much rather get people in Congress who are beholden to citizens (via grassroots politicking and fundraising), and get the votes to follow Daniel Ellsberg's suggestion and start declassifying roughly 99% of the National Secrecy State. Then we won't have to guess what secrecy lovers like Dick Cheney have been up to all these years. We'll know. And we can prosecute accordingly.

        What we need, especially now, is a massive campaign against secrecy. There is a small list of things which have to be secret, but as Ellsberg says, it's maybe 1%, maybe less, of what is secret. We have independent corroboration from Sen. Rockefeller that most of what this Administration classifies it classifies for entirely political reasons. So, out with it all. Roaches hate light.

    •  The attempts at (none)
      manipulating weather and the "manipulation" due to global warming are getting blurred for me. Both artificially caused, and both so destructive.

      I remember reading  the musing about setting off a nuke in the hurricane. Wrote it off as gov't tin foil. lol.

      lolwc...laugh out loud while crying.

      •  Emma, thanks for sharing this stuff (none)
        It's hard to know what may be real and what's disinformation. It's late for me, so I'm too tired to digest all in this post, but 2 things I can add;

        This and Identifying Misinformation (mostly aimed at 9/11 disinfo, but useful).

        Aren't you glad you are self-sufficient? We're starting to think about how to cope when the electricity infrastructure starts to go, and it's not worth 'their' while to fix it, now that PUHCA is dead. Also see The End of the Grid.

        I also remember reading elsewhere about DoD developing weapons targeted at certain ethnic groups, but assumed this would be germ warfare.

        •  It is hard, isn't it? (none)
          Deep into following links, between night and morning, and running up on .gov websites that damn well say , here's our plan, we're doing wmd testing on you, neh, and we're doing it because there are bad people out there, who may sometime become dangerous when we poke them with this sharp stick we got here, and anyway, our hogs are getting a little thin....

          Nobody believed that they were spraying in the NYC subway system either. Except, of course, the people who got sick.

          It's really easy to slam somebody because your reality isn't theirs. My reality includes ariel spraying occasionally. I go inside. I am happy when somebody else's reality doesn't include chemtrails. I just hope it's because they are not spraying that area, and not that the person just hasn't noticed them.

          I am so glad that I am as self sufficient as I am. Need a windmill though.

          Ah, the crop circles. I got tfh on that one too. I may be a little out of date, but last I did a couple of days reading, there were still no documented fraud cases where the stalks were not broken. The time it would take to do the ones that are appearing now would prohibit any human hand or foot, in it. Timeline. And the most astounding thing is the growing size and complexity of them. It is no longer who is doing this, it is 'What are they trying to say?' Who the fuck are we to say that there is no intelligence but us?

          i'll read the others tomorrow, but I peeked. PUCHA. Ha. Heard on the radio that TVA Tenn. valley Authority, is in huge billion dollar debt trouble.

          Germ warfare. No pun. More of my linkless late night reading from a couple of years ago.

          •  I know we are being HAARPed (none)
            -why do you think we haven't started any riots etc., against this administration?

            I've been to the DARPA website , DOD and HAARP keeps getting lots more money.

            I just don't have the technical equipment to prove it that we're being pulsed into submission.

            roseeriter

            "Time is for careful people, not passionate ones"

            by roseeriter on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 12:46:59 AM PST

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  •  I think it's a trend (none)
    A trend in disinfo!

    ;-)

    I went to Sploid then to DK and weather control stories are all the rage! yay!

    http://www.defensetech.org/...

    "Someday the U.S. military could drive a trailer to a spot just beyond insurgent fighting and, within minutes, reconfigure part of the atmosphere, blocking an enemy's ability to receive satellite signals, even as U.S. troops are able to see into the area with radar."

    http://www.nxtbook.com/...

    (some Flash dealy that I can't open)

  •  It all starts with Tesla (none)
    There are several good documentaries out there on him. I think the 'missing secrets' one on him discusses the possible continuation of his work with HAARP
  •  what is tinfoil? Depends on your database... (none)
    ball lightning = not tinfoil, involves potentially new physics with possible novel energy source.

    HAARP - semi tinfoil...more than they admit but much much less than weather control (too hard)

    chemtrails - hmmm...weird. the question is why do it today? in the 50's, they sprayed serratia marcescens germs into the air in the biowar program, like off the San Francisco Bay area...

    UFOs - there are no unidentified flying objects, according to the government. They are telling the truth. They are identified. D'oh!

    electromagnetic levitation and propulsion: real.
    the "lifter" effect. It is NOT elctrically-driven air current (it works in a vacuum...ask NASA!)

    If we shall fail to defend the Constitution, I shall fail in the attempt.

    by spoon or no spoon on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 08:34:02 PM PST

    •  my guess on the chemtrail thing (none)
      is just continuing research on wmd. They need to test shit, dammit, before they waste good jet fuel on spraying the bad guys.
      •  MORE fucking nutbar conspiracy shit (none)
        My mom believes she DID NOT have a stroke because chemtrails caused her "arm problems."

        Oh, she'll talk about her "arm problems," but she'll never use the word stroke. She stopped her rehab, avoids her cholesterol meds and tries to avoid doctors.

        I wish I could think of a secular version of hell to which I could send people who consciously promulgate this crap.

        "There is no god, and I am his prophet." SocraticGadfly

        by steverino on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 11:43:38 PM PST

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        •  You are both ignorant, and rude (none)
          Chem AND bio trails: what we know they did, from public records

          -1953 U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.

          - 1953 Joint Army, Navy, CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus globigii.

          Ball lightning: US DOE satellite FORTE has been used to characterize 1 megawatt to 200 megawatt long-duration sources emitting at frequencies above 100 MHz associated with lightning storms...do you have any idea where the energy comes from to cause 1 cubic meter of glowing space to emit more RF energy than a small power plant? No, you don't, and neither do they, and that is why it is being studied.

          Here's a 1 for your database.

          Science is the study of phenomena whose causes are not understood, or for which explanations are incomplete. Only the dogmatic reject the study of phenomena that are not understood. Only the ignorant believe that all knowledge is already known.

          If we shall fail to defend the Constitution, I shall fail in the attempt.

          by spoon or no spoon on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 04:42:35 PM PST

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          •  Thank you so much! (none)
            I have been trying to ignore him. I appreciate your comment, and your presentation of the history of spraying citizens. I knew it was in the early 50s, but have not had time to find the info.
            •  my pleasure (none)
              and you should read the stuff that is not public

              If we shall fail to defend the Constitution, I shall fail in the attempt.

              by spoon or no spoon on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:10:19 PM PST

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              •  No I shouldn't. I'd go mad. (none)
                Madder than I already am. The stuff I have read, on gov't sites scares me enough. I should not be permitted to live alone and follow links in the wee hours. Sometimes I cut and paste interesting sounding terms from an article into google, and before i know it, I am on some obscure page on a dod or other govt site, scaring the crap out of myself, and going to bed for a night of mares.
                Tee-hee, I quoted you above to radiohead. He was not as rude as the rino, but seemed not to understand what science is. Thanks again. I really thought this sucker would be dead when I got home. But Nooooooo. I figgured it'd flush out a couple of conspiry theory theorist terraists, and it did. Oh well, comes with the territory.
  •  Fuel to the fire (none)
    Well, there is:

    A BILL
        To establish the Weather Modification Operations and
              Research Board, and for other purposes.

    "...and for other purposes"?

    Weather Modification Act

    This bill is "scheduled for debate."

  •  Fucking nutbar conspiracy shit (none)
    HAARP is talked up by conspiracy wackos such as Art Bell and my mom.

    The energy needed to actually seriously manipulate the atmosphere to affect weather? Shit, we'd have to have a couple dozen nuclear power plants sitting right next door to those antennas.

    If you really believe this shit, put the crayons back in the box, pull the lid to the fallout shelter over your head and let us permanently lock you in it from the outside.

    "There is no god, and I am his prophet." SocraticGadfly

    by steverino on Wed Feb 08, 2006 at 11:37:59 PM PST

  •  Thanks to all (none)
    who commented without looking like they needed to be on a nut-job site. What is it about government operations subverted, and gov't secrecy that makes folks so rude?
  •  I hope (none)
    at least you continue the sky observations.
    The tin foil factor on the subject is huge and we did not even touch upon the GWEN system.
    If you do watch enough though you will eventially see trails go on and off.

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