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I first posted this thought as a comment to another diary, and someone suggested I do a diary on the subject.

The laws in the state of Texas are pretty clear that a valid hunting license is required for both residents and non-residents to engange in the sport of hunting.

A hunting license is required of any person, regardless of age, who hunts any animal or bird in this state, except as specified below. Non-residents under 17 years of age may purchase and hunt with the Special Resident Hunting License (Type 102).

More after the jump.

* A hunting license is not required to hunt the following:
    * Coyotes, if the coyotes are attacking, about to attack, or have recently attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowl.
    * Depredating feral hogs, if a landowner (resident or non-resident) or landowner's agent or lessee is taking feral hogs causing depredation on the landowner's land.
    * Fur-bearing animals, if the hunter possesses a trapper's license or if the fur-bearing animals are causing depredation.

Note: All laws and regulations governing hunter education still apply.  (Emphasis added.)

Cheney would certainly be considered a non-resident, in which case he would have to have one of the following types of license:

Non-resident General Hunting (Type 105): $300
    Valid to hunt any legal bird or animal (including deer). Stamp endorsement requirements apply.

Non-resident Spring Turkey (Type 118): $120. Available after February 1, 2006.
    Valid to hunt turkey only during the open spring turkey season. Holders of this license are exempt from the upland game bird stamp endorsement requirements. (Unlawful to possess both this license and a valid Non-Resident General Hunting License.)

Non-resident Special Hunting (Type 107): $125
    Valid to hunt: Exotic animals, all legal game birds (except turkeys), all nongame animals, squirrel and javelina (not valid for other game animals, NOT VALID FOR DEER). Stamp endorsement requirements apply.

Non-resident 5-Day Special Hunting (Type 157): $45
    Legal for any period of 5 consecutive days (valid hunting dates will be printed on the license when issued). Valid to hunt: Exotic animals, all legal game birds (except turkeys), all nongame animals, squirrel and javelina (not valid for other game animals, NOT VALID FOR DEER). Stamp endorsement requirements apply.

Non-resident Banded Bird Hunting (Type 120): $25
    Valid only to hunt banded game birds on private bird hunting areas.  Id.  

The questions are quite simple and very obvious:

May we please see a certified copy of the valid Texas hunting license the Vice-president had in his possession at the time he shot Mr. Whittington?

In addition, may we please see verification that the Vice-president completed all of the mandatory hunter education requirements?

Wonder if he will produce a valid license?

Think he had one?

Will this require a FOIA request?

Originally posted to freepress4all on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:48 PM PST.

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  •  Game Bag (3.92)
    By the way, the penalities for violation are:

    If you violate fish and wildlife laws, in addition to civil restitution you may:

        * be fined (Class C - $25-$500; Class B - $200-$2000; Class A - $500-$4000; State Jail Felony, $1500-$10,000);

        * be jailed (Class B and higher offenses);

        * face automatic suspension or revocation of licenses for up to 5 years;

        * forfeit hunting gear, including firearms, used to commit a violation.

    Please place tips in the game bag.  

    •  yeah, but what (4.00)
      about bagging a geezer?

      "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

      now rocking the UK. check out An Angry Yank in Kent, yo.

      by lipris on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:54:21 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  lipris, this is off topic (none)
        but when is the next nyc meet up?
        It's been way too long.

        "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing"....Oscar Wilde

        by 313to212 on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 04:17:41 PM PST

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        •  i'm not really sure (none)
          though i'm pretty sure i won't be there as i'm gonna be here in the UK for most of this year. but, you're on the list, right? you should be. i remember you being at the first one, the one in tribeca. when the next one happens, i'm sure you'll get mail. if you aren't on the list, drop me some mail and i'll make sure that you are.

          on a similarly OT subject, i just got the go ahead to start the first drinking liberally chapter outside of the US about two hours ago. we're starting DL london early next month. any london area kossacks who are interested or might want to be co-hosts, email me. this one is gonna be a whole hell of a lot of fun.

          anyhoo, i'm sure the NYC kossacks will be getting together again sometime soon. hell, maybe i'll even try to make it. i've been feeling that i'm missing all the blizzard fun all day. this does not a happy boy make.


          "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

          now rocking the UK. check out An Angry Yank in Kent, yo.

          by lipris on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 04:29:44 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Hey there (none)
            Didn't know you moved to London.
            Bet you're having a ball.
            •  oh, but i am. (none)
              having a great time. the job i have taken has led me to london, brussels, ghent, paris and amsterdam in the past three weeks. in the next month i'll see delhi, antwerp and brussels again.

              life is good. how are you? how are things at...ya know...  ...that place you happen to work?

              crossing the pond anytime soon?

              all the best..

              "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

              now rocking the UK. check out An Angry Yank in Kent, yo.

              by lipris on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 05:10:21 PM PST

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              •  Hi lipris (none)
                Got sidetracked last night...
                You sound really busy and get to go places.  Hope it is 'good' busy.  Are you gone indefinitely?
                Ups and downs where I am - the usual internal politicking is such a waste of time, but the programme I am involved in makes it worthwhile.  Heading for Sudan again in 2 weeks.
    •  All good questions! (4.00)
       My youngest son went deer-hunting in Georgia with a family friend.  He had to take a hunting/safety class and pass the test before he could receive his license to hunt anything in Georgia.  Did our Vice miss his safety class and license?  I grew up in a deer, pheasant, duck hunting family in Michigan.  I never heard of anyone lacking the safety education to shoot a fellow hunter!
      •  That was a weird sentence . (none)
         All of the hunters in my mid- Michigan area were safety smart and never endangered citizens or fellow hunters. Cheney is a danger to civilians and the world!  Hope we can at least charge him with this since no one has the balls to charge him with his global crimes!
    •  Bob Knight was charged with two counts of not (4.00)
      having a valid hunting license and failing to file a report when he shot a friend on a hunting trip in 1999:

      "Oct. 12, 1999: Knight accidentally shoots friend Thomas Mikunda in the back and upper shoulder while hunting, causing wounds that were not life-threatening. Knight is later cited for failing to report an accident and hunting without a license"

    •  Dick Cheney can't be bothered with that much (4.00)
      paperwork.  Have you seen that application?  It's a whole page long.

      Much like FISA, he just doesn't have the time for such things.   You are just going to have to trust him that he has the authority to hunt in Texas.

  •  If Cheney can get away with outing a CIA agent (4.00)
    do you really think we can get him on this?

    "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing"....Oscar Wilde

    by 313to212 on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:51:03 PM PST

  •  dude. (4.00)
    it's pretty obvious that the 2001 AUMF empowers the VP and anyone else in the executive branch to shoot anything or anyone they choose as part of the war on the unwounded. they may also employ a love gun, should they so choose.

    stop asking questions. you think osama ain't listenin'?

    "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

    now rocking the UK. check out An Angry Yank in Kent, yo.

    by lipris on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:53:26 PM PST

  •  TO QUOTE JOHN LENNON ... (none)
    from the White Album in 1968:

    "Happiness is a warm gun mama (bang, bang, shoot, shoot). Happiness is a warm gun mama. When I hold you. In my arms (oh yes). And I feel my finger on your trigger (oh yes). I know that nobody can do me no harm (oh yes). Because, happiness is warm gun mama. Happiness is a warm gun mama. Happiness, is a warm, yes it is ... GUNNNNNNNN!"

    Intrepid Liberal Journal

  •  Dick (none)
    Don't need no stinkin license.

    "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job".

    by ParaHammer on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:56:09 PM PST

  •  Don't you have to know how to shoot (none)
    before you can obtain a license?

    This above all: to thine own self be true,... Thou canst not then be false to any man.-WS

    by Agathena on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:56:10 PM PST

    •  he knows how to shoot (none)
       jsut doesn't know how to shoot straight. Or better yet, check if that old hunter is a democrat.

      Maybe Cheney really did want to kill somebody today. (what's gonna happen? All he need to say is, oops. t'was an accident.)

  •  Does the Vice President (4.00)

    . . . qualify to be classed as a "feral hog"?

    I think a good argument could be made that he does.  Motherfucker sure causes "depredation."

    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." GHWB

    by proudtinfoilhat on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 04:04:14 PM PST

  •  Was this what he was shooting at? (none)

    In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. M.L.King, 1929-1968

    by captainlaser on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 04:04:55 PM PST

  •  qouth cheney: (none)
    "that geezer bastard won't get away next time! there's oil, black gold, texas tea in that there old timer!"

    "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

    now rocking the UK. check out An Angry Yank in Kent, yo.

    by lipris on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 04:05:31 PM PST

  •  Cheney's Victim (4.00)

    . . . is said to be a millionaire lawyer "in private practice since 1950."

    Not for nothin' but that's the year I was born, and if the vic got admitted to the bar that year, it makes him in his early 80s at least.

    I'm sure it was an accident, though; I see no reason why Cheney would want to shoot a rich guy.

    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." GHWB

    by proudtinfoilhat on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 04:06:49 PM PST

    •  Harry Whittington is 78 (4.00)
      which means he's been a lawyer in private practice (in Austin) since he was 22. And yes, even though Whittington was a visitor on the 50,000-acre ranch of his friend Anne Armstrong, herself a stalwart Bush supporter, he also appears to be a Bush crony:

      Mr. Whittington is a former member of the Texas Board of Corrections, which runs the state's prison and he was once chairman of the Texas Public Finance Authority Board. In 1999, Gov. George W. Bush appointed him to the Texas Funeral Service Commission. In August 2002, he was reappointed to the commission for a term set to expire in February 2007.

      So my question: does anyone remember the Texas funeral home scandal? What was Whittington's involvement?

      I DO think think the issue of whether Cheney had a license to hunt is important; I would wager it's likely Cheney didn't have one, because it's rather a bother to jump through the hurdles.

      White House officials, who did not make public the shooting incident for 24 hours, did not say how Mr. Whittington and Mr. Cheney were acquainted, although both have longstanding ties to the Armstrongs, a prominent Texas family. The White House also declined to say who was on the hunting trip with the two men. Local news accounts said that Secret Service agents attended to Mr. Whittington until the medics arrived.

      So were the 24 hours needed to change the records, get Cheney a license, cover up the evidence...? Would we have heard at all about the incident had it not been reporting first this morning in the Corpus Christi Caller-Times, a local Texas paper, then picked up elsewhere? Certainly if the White House doesn't produce proof of a license by tomorrow, we will know (at the least) that they were unable to hack the Texas computer system... Which would really show how far Rove has fallen in this world....

      "And I hope you'll understand if any of us come before a court and we can't remember Abramoff, you'll tend to believe us." - Senator Lindsey Graham.

      by QuickSilver on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 04:40:54 PM PST

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      •  Hunting License Apps Are So Thick (none)
        The requirement has been waived for the duration of the War on Terra.

        Sometimes you cover your ass with the lame excuses you have, instead of the lame excuses you wish you had. (-3.00, -5.49)

        by litigatormom on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 05:12:54 PM PST

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      •  Sorry I'm from CA (none)
        and don't know dick about the TX funeral home scandal !

        Can we have the Readers Digest version ?

        Let's get some Democracy for America

        by murphy on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 06:19:19 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Funeral Home Scandal (4.00)
          Just one more chapter in the Bush Crime Family saga:

          On August 18, attorneys for Eliza May, the former executive director of the Texas Funeral Service Commission, filed a motion asking a state court to find Bush in contempt for not telling the truth about his interactions with officials from Service Corporation International, the world's largest funeral company. SCI has been fighting an investigation by the Commission, which recommended the company be fined $445,000 for violating a casketload of state regulations. In March, May filed a whistleblower lawsuit against the state, SCI, and SCI's C.E.O., Robert Waltrip, claiming that the company and state officials worked together to thwart her agency's investigation into the company. The contempt motion spotlights Bush's sworn affidavit, released on August 5, in which he said he "had no conversations with SCI officials, agents or representatives" about the state's investigation. The affidavit was filed by Attorney General John Cornyn, along with a motion to quash a subpoena issued to Bush by May's attorneys.

          Since the affidavit was filed, Bush's flat denial of a conversation has been contradicted several times, even by Bush himself. According to reporters who were with Bush in Iowa in August, when Bush was asked if he talked to Waltrip about the investigation, he responded, "I did not. I had only a brief exchange with him that lasted only a few seconds." Bush's press secretary Linda Edwards, has described their encounter as a "brief verbal exchange."

          See also

      •  Lawyer Only 78? (none)

        Sheesh.  I wonder if he went to law school.  Back in the day, in Texas and a few other states, you could take the bar exam and be admitted without going to law school.

        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." GHWB

        by proudtinfoilhat on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 07:07:00 PM PST

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    •  He's just culling the herd (none)
      ... of old people to save social security. Sort of like a Republican version of Logan's Run... hit retirement age, and you go hunting with Cheney.
  •  If he didn't have one at the time of the shooting (4.00)

    I would bet that he has one now...back dated of course.

    •  Which Probably Explains The 24 Hr Delay (4.00)
      They had to roll some poor low-level Texas Department of Wildlife clerks out of bed last night and get them to go into the office and fabricate verification that he took and passed the hunter safety courses plus issue a back-dated hunting license.  

      Anyone else would be in the Kennedy County Texas jail, with their weapons confiscated, while waiting for an arraignment before a Justice of the Peace on Monday morning.  

      The Seven Commandments have been reduced to a single phrase:

      "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."  

      Animal Farm by George Orwell

  •  What I want to know (none)
    is where was Rex? Is he still dogging cheenie? and was the "mis-fire'" caused by said Rex humping someone's leg?
  •  Please note: (none)
    Bush and Cheney can't shoot straight, and they can't tell the truth.

    For people of deep faith like George W. Bush, beliefs are intoxicating, and facts are sobering. Sober up, America!

    by slip kid no more on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 04:55:18 PM PST

  •  Hunting on Private Property (4.00)
    I've been searching to see any caveats that apply to hunting on private land without a license. None so far - and this quote from a Texas Game Warden is pretty solid evidence that you need a license to hunt in Texas. From The Courier (of Houston):
    Even if an individual is hunting on private property, a hunting license is required for anyone of any age, [Game Warden Ernie] Garcia said. Children under the age of 17 and seniors over the age of 65 can purchase a special license, which costs only $6. Anyone between the ages of 17 and 65 must purchase a full hunting license, Garcia said.

    Below is a link to the Texas hunting codes if anyone wants to search for questions that need to be asked and search for possible violations. Safe hunting!

    Texas Parks and Wildlife Code,

    •  Most Hunting In Texas Is On Private Property (4.00)
      Very little hunting in Texas is on public lands.  Some of the most persistent and powerful law enforcement officers in Texas are the Game Wardens.  They have jurisdiction state wide on any and all property, public and private, to enforce the regulations.  

      However, one of the dirty secrets in Texas is that the Games Wardens, at least the ones that want to keep their jobs, do not go onto exclusive (spelled "rich white folks") hunting clubs and leases.  

      Halliburton (was Brown & Root) has several exclusive hunting and fishing lodges and camps in Texas and no one bothers with licenses at those locations because the Game Wardens know better than go on that land.  

      I'd bet all the money I could get my hands on that Cheney did not have a hunting license at the time of the shooting.  He simply has never had to bother with the kind of "formality" that is imposed on common citizens.

      After all, he is royalty, you know.

      •  AP update: Cheney had a license (none)
        AP: Cheney was legally hunting with a license he purchased in November, Texas Parks and Wildlife Department spokesman Steve Lightfoot said. The vice president flew back to Washington on Sunday evening, according to his office.

        So let's see it. FOIA, anyone?

    •  In Texas, ALL hunting of any kind (4.00)
      is on private property.  There is no or very little publicly owned property that can be used for any sort of hunting.  I grew up there and my dad was a hunter.  We owned a ranch so we had hunters as guests on our property and my dad leased other properties that our family, friends, and business acquaintances used for deer, turkey, quail, and dove hunting.  Believe me, hunting without a license is closely monitored by the local game wardens.  Even those of us who did not hunt carried licenses since we might be accompanying others who were hunting and that would also be illegal.  At least, that was the way it was forty years ago.
  •  Q: Are you licensed to legally hunt in Texas? (4.00)
    A: Go fuck yourself.

    End of story, move along, nothing to see here.

    That would be a joke if the premise was funny, but I find it a bit awkward and scary instead.

  •  A hunting license will be 'found' if necessary (4.00)
    Let's see, you've got a local Texas lawyer practicing there since 1950, the Vice President of a President from Texas, all hunting on the land of a Texas multi-millionaire who is also all Bushy. If these people can't make a hunting license 'appear' I don't know who can. After all, they scrubbed almost the entire negative history of Bush dealings in Texas, so I think they have the connections and experience to get it done. I am not going to get too worked up over reading the hunting license laws in Texas, but you can waste your time if you want.
  •  Thanks for this diary. I just knew this (none)
    kind of thing would open the creative floodgates for all kinds of ironic comments.  I love it.  In fact, when I heard that Dead-Eye Dick had shot an old coot, I just knew it was going to be a good day.....;-)


  •  00Dick License to kill N/T (none)

    (-7.50 -6.31) As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. J.F.K

    by arkdem on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 06:00:19 PM PST

  •  Bush on Guns (none)
    Bush from Outdoor Life, 2004:
    The best way to reduce gun crime is to vigorously enforce existing gun laws, so that guns are kept out of the hands of criminals but are not denied to responsible and law-abiding citizens. I support reauthorization of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, but I oppose additions to or expansion of the ban.

    My administration has proven that enforcing existing gun laws is a highly effective strategy of combating violent crime.

  •  Excellent questions!! (none)
    I didn't think about that!
  •  Hunting License Requirement (none)
    Go Cheney Yourself

    Cheney's opinion about whether or not Cheney needed to obtain a hunting license.

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