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Yesterday, kos mentioned and eps diaried this story about an invitation only luncheon where Orrin Hatch was quoted as saying,
And, more importantly, we've stopped a mass murderer in Saddam Hussein. Nobody denies that he was supporting al-Qaida.  Well, I shouldn't say nobody. Nobody with brains.

Well, today we get Orrin's bullshit "response".  

On Tuesday, Hatch said he may have misspoken at the event, and he was speaking of conditions in post-Hussein Iraq and the terrorist network led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
   "Saddam clearly had a long history of supporting terrorists, but I was not talking about any formal link between Saddam and al-Qaida before the war," Hatch said in a statement. "Instead, I pointed out that the current insurgency in Iraq includes al-Qaida, under the leadership of al-Zarqawi, along with former elements of Saddam's regime."

I searched the tags and recent diaries and didn't see this diaried yet, so please, join me on the flip . . .

Seriously Orrin?  That's the best you could come up with?  What utter bullshit!  This has to be the WORST. SPIN. EVER!

So, Orrin, when you said, "we've stopped a mass murderer in Saddam Hussein.  Nobody denies that he was supporting al-Qaida," what you really meant was, "we've stopped a mass murderer in Saddam Hussein.  This allowed al-Qaida to gain a strong foothold in post-Hussien Iraq which proves that Saddam supported al-Qaida."  Riiiiiiighteeeooooo!

Maybe you should try again, asshat!

To Pete Ashdown, please jump all over this utter nonsense spewing forth from Senator Hatch.  Orrin has no credible response for his original comment.  This is a perfect opportunity to expose your opponent as the dissembling panderer to the fear-mongering neo-con right that he is.      

Just for fun (yeah right), here are two more vomit inducing Hatch quotes from the original article:  

This president is doing everything in his power to help us and everything he can to protect us," said Hatch, who will seek to win his sixth term in the Senate later this year. "I have to tell you, this president has guts and he deserves your support." (emphasis mine)
. . . wait for it, ah yes, there it is, just a little spewage for you all to clean up before the next one . . .
"(the Democrats are) moaning and groaning in Congress because (Bush) didn't abide by what's called the FISA Act, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. That act is very important, but it was enacted in 1978 and it is not applicable to today's world," Hatch said. "The president is using every methodology that we know ... to try to track down those al-Qaida people or people affiliated with al-Qaida."
Give me a fucking break!  Oh yes, the ancient times of 1978.  One question Orrin, is the fucking Constitution still applicable to today's world?

Originally posted to SLCdon on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 10:04 AM PST.


Is Orrin Hatch still applicable to "today's world"?

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  •  i emails orin yesterday (4.00)
    after reading his comment i emailed him and basically said this

    dear senator hatch

    "thou shalt bare no false witness"

    but that is what you did when you said saddam had ties to al qaeda

    Senator Hatch, I beseech you to bare no more false witness.

    if you continue i worry for your eternal soul

    "if all the world's a stage, who is sitting in the audience?"

    by KnotIookin on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 10:07:39 AM PST

  •  Sure, all he can.. (4.00)
    to protect us, like cricumventing the process for selling the management of ports?

    When we look in the Abyss, the Abyss looks into Us.

    by Something the Dog Said on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 10:12:51 AM PST

  •  He's been an idiot always (4.00)
    I've got Ashdown's site bookmarked and have most of my Utah relatives alerted to a contender against Hatch.

    I think my 80 year old mom is leading the way for Ashdown in her neighborhood. She says things about Hatch that are not as nice as your diary...and without out for grandmothers!

    Make the most of yourself, for that is all there is of you..... Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by SallyCat on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 10:17:56 AM PST

  •  Hatch was never relevant! (4.00)
    Here's the link I tried to embed in the poll about borin' Orrin's music career.  The picture attached to the story is pretty funny.  

    Fear is the ultimate ruler of mankind. - Me, 2/08/06

    by SLCdon on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 10:18:18 AM PST

    •  He looks like my cat when it's constipated (4.00)
      With apologies to my cat...

      Make the most of yourself, for that is all there is of you..... Ralph Waldo Emerson

      by SallyCat on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 10:30:06 AM PST

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    •  Great snippets.... (4.00)
      ...from that "LDS News" article (cuz that's what the Deseret News is, for those who don't know).   It's owned by the LDS church.

       When one news account reported that Hatch had said that he wrote a song during a boring Senate Judiciary Committee meeting, someone wrote castigating the senator for wasting taxpayer money by writing crummy songs when he should have been working.

            Hatch doesn't tell that story anymore, instead saying he writes most of his songs in church (presumably during boring meetings)...

      So a Senator writes songs during committee meetings...and an LDS senator writes songs during church.


      But if they turn out to be really that good, would he be tempted to give up his home in the nation's capital for one in Nashville?
            Probably not, he said. He made only about $20,000 in 2003 from music royalties and sales of CDs.
            Besides, he said, he likes his day job.

      I wish we could get a guarantee (yeah from a known liar, I know) that if his cd sales topped his Senate salary then he would retire from the Senate.   Of course, since he writes songs during committe meetings, isn't his senate salary actually part of his music income anyway?

      God he's a fucking douchebag.

  •  I can no longer tell (4.00)
    whether I'm reading quotes from GOoPer Senators or paid White House shills like Mary Matlin or Scotty.

    "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

    by aggressiveprogressive on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 10:19:33 AM PST

  •  So he's denying.... (4.00)
    which makes him brainless by his own admission.

    Yeah.  Sad to see.  But clearly not a surprise.

  •  What a total moron (none)
    Whomever votes for this man next time 'round is absolutely clueless and should be banned for voting ever again.
    •  Well sadly (4.00)
      this is nothing too out of the norm for Orrin.  He's made stupid statements in the past, sponsored moronic legislation in the past (remember the bill that would allow music companies to include a virus to destroy a computer if it illegally downloaded copyrighted material?), and is pretty much a douchebag of douchebags but yet he gets elected in a landslide everytime.

      This won't do shit to him as nothing else has ever done shit to him.   We get to enjoy his idiocy until he decides he's done.

  •  Regarding FISA (4.00)
    This frosts my fucking balls. Just a few years ago, when Clinton was in power, the Republicans were going nuts that Clinton did any wiretapping with warrants from FISA; there argument being that FISA wasn't enough oversight. Now of course, FISA is just way too much fucking oversight and should be done away with.

    What utter utter hypocrites. Has anyone in the traditional media pointed out what I just did?

    •  "their argument," I meant (none)
    •  I'm assuming this is rhetorical? (4.00)
      Has anyone in the traditional media pointed out what I just did?

      Why would the shills we call the MSM want to do something anything remotely like real reporting?

      Seriously, I have seen the diaries about that of which you speak, but I have not run across any "traditional media" reports.

      Fear is the ultimate ruler of mankind. - Me, 2/08/06

      by SLCdon on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 10:39:33 AM PST

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    •  FISA oversight (4.00)
      What frosts my balls (except I don't have balls!) is that Alberto Gonzales says that NOT ONLY is FISA too cumbersome and burdensome to use, but the simple checklist used BEFORE it ever gets to the FISA court is too burdensome.

      Yup, that's what he said.

      Remember when Bush and others in his administration said that one of their big concerns was any delay in beginning wiretaps, and we all said "whoa, you get 3 days to request a warrant, so how can you assert that anything would be delayed?" Remember that?

      Well, what they were asserting would cause delays was NOT THIS issue directly. What happens when they decide to request a warrant from the secret FISA court is that they have a checklist, a very high level oversight process that they go through to make sure that the wiretap would pass FISA standards and would likely be approved by the FISA court and would result in a warrant. Alberto Gonzales is saying that the initial oversight, the filling out of this checklist is TOO burdensome.

      And what does that mean?

      That there is NO oversight before beginning wiretaps. They do not even have to pretend that they are trying to ensure that their wiretaps would pass FISA muster.

      And WHY are they not trying to make sure that their wiretaps would not pass FISA muster? Because many of their wiretaps would NOT pass FISA muster, and they know that.

      So rather than hand in a test paper that they know will not allow them to pass the class, they have dropped the class. And NOW they are saying that this class should not be a required class for them at all.

      Sorry, but colleges do NOT allow students taking a class to determine that they do not need to take a class, and we do not allow Presidents to decide that they do not have to obey the Constitution.

      ...but not your own facts.

      by slouise217 on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 11:56:07 AM PST

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  •  It's time (4.00)
    It's time to allow our esteemed Senator to move on to his true calling as spokesman for the Whitehouse.  He is less than useless as a senator now.  It's one thing to put your party above the other party, but it really pisses me off when he puts the administrative branch above the the branch he was elected to.  Why in the hell does he want to diminish the power of the body that he is currently a member of by taking the WH side on oversight or advise and consent arguements.  Does he think he will someday be president? HA!

    zzz....Wha...? How did I get in this handbasket?

    by God loves goats on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 10:58:51 AM PST

  •  The 1978 FISA law (4.00)
    is 100% applicable until it is repealed or amended.  Until then, sorry Orrin, it's the Law of the Land.

    That a legislator can sit there and say that laws are only good for a little while, until the executive branch decides they aren't anymore, is basically saying, "Hi! I'm worthless! Tread on me! I like it, I like it!"

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