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Do you Remeber the Denver Three?  Those three Ordinary folks folks who were thrown out of a Bush Rally because they committed the horrible crime of having the wrong Bumper Sticker on their car ?   Well they are back in the News again it's bad news for the White House

As you may recall,   The person who threw them out of the rally, and threatened to arrest them  falsely claimed to be a Secret Service Agent (Thereby committing a federal Crime).  You may also remember that the Whitehouse described the culprit only as  a "local volunteer".  Then they refused to any more questions from reporters or Lawyers for the D3.

There have been two big new developments in the case this week:

 a Secret Service investigation has positively identified  the mystery man  as a WH Staffer, thereby proving the WH lied to protect him.  

But that's only the begining of the Bad news for the WH.   This story now goes beyond the "one misguided staffer" excuse  because, 2 MORE  WH staffers  have been caught red-handed doing it AGAIN this week!:


Let's Start with Further Proof that Scotty MC'C is a Lying weasel: (these days that's the Liberal blogger's equivalent of pre-warm-up stretches):

When Asked about the Man who committed several crimes and blatantly violated the Denver Three's civil rights  to boot (42 USC$1983 is the phrase that Pays here.)
  Scotty the Weasel would say only this:

  MR. McCLELLAN: ... My understanding that a volunteer at this event -- and let me -- I need to back up before that. We use a lot of volunteers at events to help us in a number of different areas because you obviously have -- you tend to have a lot of people come into the event, a lot of logistical support that you need, and so we do rely on volunteers to help in a lot of different ways at events.

Now, in terms of this issue, my understanding is a volunteer was concerned that these three individuals were coming to the event solely for the purpose of disrupting it.

Got it?  All nice and Clear now?  The offending goon was merely an overzelous local yokel.  Case closed.   Except, well, not so much.  

as the Denver Post is reporting The "overzealous yokels" in question refuse to say who they worked for when asked by the D3's lawyer:

 In their lawsuit, Weise and Young claim that White House event staffers Michael Casper and Jay Bob Klinkerman detained them and ejected them from the event at the Wings Over the Rockies Air & Space Museum. However, Casper and Klinkerman say they don't need to reveal whom they worked for because of a "qualified immunity."  { I've frankly never heard of such a thing in a civil lawsuit before; I strongly suspect they made it up}

And of course that sort of gives away the store because why would a mere Volunteer have "qualified immunity" to refuse to reveal who it was they weren't working for? But lest there be any doubt, A new Secret Service report confirms their employment:

A White House staff member was responsible for asking three people to leave President Bush's town-hall meeting in Denver a year ago, a U.S. Secret Service agent said during an internal investigation of the event.

So much For Scotty McC's "Magic Volunteer" theory,  as the report now makes clear, WH staffers paid for by you and me are impersonating Law-enforcement personnel for the purpose of policing presidential rallies to ensure the ideological purity  of attendees.  In other words, The Bubble is tax-payer funded.

Not only that, but apparently, lying to people at Random about who they are and who they represent is Far from being a fluke or an aberration these days.  As This story in the Mississippi Sun Herald makes clear, Impersonating Secret Service agents, and even Journalists is now SOP for WH Staff:

There was a whirlwind of activity in the days prior to President Bush's arrival at a home on the beach in Gautier last week,...The reason for all the fuss was kept a secret even from the family that received Bush. They didn't know it was prelude to a presidential visit until the day Bush arrived.  But one part of the preparation for the President's arrival involved two government agents posing as journalists.

Well they STARTED posing as journalists but the two men, Really WH PR staffers were so inept they couldn't  even decide who they were impersonating:

 Jerry Akins, who received Bush, mentioned that on the Friday before Bush arrived, two men approached him identifying themselves as members of the media.
He said the men told him they were with Fox News out of Houston, Texas, and were on a "scouting mission" for a story on new construction. ....But after the president left Akins' home, the two men again approached Akins and let him know they were not media after all, but were with the governmental entourage.

Akins said the two showed him blue porcelain lapel pins that contained the Presidential seal and another government official confirmed the two were with the government entourage and not the media. Akins assumed they were Secret Service agents...Akins said he saw no problem with what happened, and agents laughed about their fooling him.

Well I'm glad  they had themselves  a hearty chuckle over these whacky hijinks.    Mr. Akins may have seen nothing wrong with their actions I'd be a hell of a lot more irate (not mention litigious) if I found that unspecified government agents had gained access to MY house under false pretenses.  

What strikes me most is how utterly stupid and unnecessary the  subterfuge was.  It's almost as if lying is a reflex that they fall into by default.   What would have been so hard about identifying themselves properly at the outset and told the homeowner what they were doing?  After all Mr. Akins appears to have been delighted to have W. visit

There are longstanding rules about government agents not impersonating Journalists, (not even on NOC)  and they exist for very good reason.   Such impersonations not only destroy the credibility of journalists, but they can also make their job a lot harder by reducing the willingness of people to trust them and endanger their lives by causing them to be seen as potential agents of an enemy and therefore a target.   That the WH staffers would violate them, more of less on a lark, lets you know how callously  the current WH disregards any law they find inconvenient

Originally posted to Magorn on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 10:18 AM PST.

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  •  White House Goon Squad (17+ / 0-)

    What is the official job description of these people?  Is the White House employee people outside of the Secret Service for security?  If so, why?

    "We need a war to show 'em that we can do it whenever we say we need a war." -- Fischerspooner

    by bink on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 10:20:29 AM PST

  •  Not much of a problem with the latter (2+ / 0-)
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    The ejection by WH staffers, definitely.  I hope they get fired and sued and it is another nail in the coffin of public perception -- eventually we'll reach critical mass...right?

    However, for the advance team to scout the area without disclosing the Prez was planning to stop by just makes good security sense to me.  The resident would have called all his friends and the press probably would have been alerted, and the advance publicity would have made security that much more difficult.  

    I might not like the man at all, but the President should have competent security.

    •  Except they WEREN'T security (40+ / 0-)

      They Were part of the PR team.   The secret Service visited earlier in the week and properly indentified themselves.  THESE guys came into the house, took pictures, and asked questions, while pretending to be reporters.    My guess is that they wanted to ensure Mr. Akins was a "safe" prop and wouldn't say anything to upset the president and they figured he speak a lot more freely around a supposed reporter than he would around a WH stafer, particularly if he was planning on causing trouble.

      It also raises the interesting question of why FOX news and where they got the offical looking  Fox News credentials from.  Were they forgeries or "loaners"?

      Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

      by Magorn on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 10:29:21 AM PST

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      •  Confused on this point (2+ / 0-)
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        Story says this:

        The reason for all the fuss was kept a secret even from the family that received Bush. They didn't know it was prelude to a presidential visit until the day Bush arrived.

        No problem and it supports rigger's premise which is reasonable, IMO. Then the next couple of grafs of the story detail the activities of the "journos", okay I'm still with that. Then this pops up:

        Akins said he didn't think anything more about them partly because visits from strangers increased exponentially as government agents and Secret Service arrived that Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday before the March 8 visit.

        So the word was out for four days before the visit and everyone from the neighborhood pops in to satisfy their curiousity. Am I crazy? It says no one knew and then the whole neighborhood knew for days. WTF?

        e-mail the write and ask her what's up:

        We need a correction Ms. Nelson. And I want to know what the journalists asked the homeowner Mr. Jerry Akins, if that's his real name. <snark>

        •  Not the neighborhood... (0+ / 0-)

          The text does not refer to "the whole neighborhood", it refers to "strangers".  In this case "strangers" probably refers to the "government agents and Secret Service" people themselves.  Not some random, non-governmental people poking around his house.

          I mean, who would let a bunch of unidentified "strangers" roam around their house?  At least that is what I would assume.  Just poor wording in the article.

      •  The real fun part (13+ / 0-)

        would be in finding out who told them to do it.  Then, sue the higher up under a principal-agent theory (maybe respondeat superior, but I'm a little rusty on this).  Morris Dees at the Southern Poverty Law Center used this tactic successfully against hate groups by suing civilly, as local cops and DAs wouldn't prosecute for violations of criminal law.  

        In one case, the head of a national hate group told local skinheads to bash in the skulls of black people with baseball bats.  Oregon, I believe.  Theory was that the local boys who murdered an African man were operating under the direction and control of the head of the hate group.  SPLC sued up the food chain and got a huge civil judgment against the asshole at the top.  (I believe he ran a radio repair shop or something with a mangy dog at his feet.)  End result?  Bankruptcy and shut down.  

        Also worked absolutely brilliantly against the Alabama Ku Klux Klan in the 80s.  Mother of a lynched black man (yes, in the 80s) was a blind domestic who ended up with the keys to Alabama Klan HQ to satisfy the civil judgment.  I still tear up when I think of that.  

        Man.  Wouldn't it be great?  Sue the RNC or White House as directing the civil rights violations of the Denver 3?  Woohoo!  P-a-r-t-y!

        I hope they go after these slimebags with every subpoenda and notice of deposition available.  Scorched earth warfare.

        As far as qualified immunity goes, my response is simply "Hahahahahaha."  

        Impeach. Convict. Remove.

        by DC Scott on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:18:08 PM PST

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      •  I have a theory on that... (0+ / 0-)

        See my comment below:

    •  Security isn't advance's job. (16+ / 0-)

      It's the Secret Service's job. And they'll likely want the scalp of any advance staffer who says otherwise.

      What these two idiots were doing was trying to obscure the president's agenda. That's not illegal, of course. Just dumb and annoying.

      And, of course, evidence that White House staffers make a practice of lying about their identities.

    •  Why? (14+ / 0-)

      Miore to the point -- what's the honest-to-Pete estimate that the President's life is at stake every time he appears in public?

      Maybe if the President were required to appear before the American people often he might think twice before melting the skin off children.

      And now I've clouded the issue.  Let me separate things again:
      The president is MUCH safer than those who's wages are secured by keeping his body from harm's way would lead you to think.
      The president SHOULD spend more time meeting Americans.  We're not all killers.  Really.  Now why would he think that?

      Now moving up your paragraphs:
      The argument Magorn makes is much more centered on the illegal subterfuge of gov't agents identifying themselves as journalists.  You respond that the President has a right to "scout an area without disclosing ... ".  Point taken.  But they do not have a right to illegally impersonate journalists.

      They have a duty to tell the truth to America clean and straight.  Bush is dirty and crooked.

      George Bush is the bastard child of the rape of shit by ignorance, raised in the hothouse loam of privilege by a wet-nurse named Entitlement.

      by Yellow Canary on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 10:42:54 AM PST

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      •  I've always said (11+ / 0-)

        That the First Damn thing I will do in the event I am elected president, is to Re-open Pennsylvania Avenue to Motor vehicle traffic.

          Yes it makes the President less safe, but safety should not trump all else.  It was always a powerful symbol of Democracy to me growing up, that I could drive right past the President's (relatively modest) house every day on my way to my own.  

        The Security additions started under Clinton and maxed out under Bush make it feel far more imperial and palace/fortress-like and that, I am thinking, is not a healthy thing.

        Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

        by Magorn on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 10:51:28 AM PST

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        •  The first thing I am going to do ... (18+ / 2-)

          ... is tell Americans to smash their paranoia delivery system terminals, move their BBQ's to their front yards, and meet their neighbors.  Every Friday is going to be "Meet your fellow Americans over dinner" day.

          George Bush is the bastard child of the rape of shit by ignorance, raised in the hothouse loam of privilege by a wet-nurse named Entitlement.

          by Yellow Canary on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 10:56:48 AM PST

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        •  The first thing I am going to do ... (13+ / 0-)

          ... is tell Americans to smash their paranoia delivery system terminals, move their BBQ's to their front yards, and meet their neighbors.  Every Friday is going to be "Meet your fellow Americans over dinner" day.

          George Bush is the bastard child of the rape of shit by ignorance, raised in the hothouse loam of privilege by a wet-nurse named Entitlement.

          by Yellow Canary on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 10:56:49 AM PST

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          •  This post raises an important point. (21+ / 0-)

            Bush, with his fearmongering, underfunding of local and state governments, slashing of entitlement programs and his politics of resentment, has destroyed community in this country.

            Who can meet his fellow Americans over dinner when we're too busy working overtime (if we have jobs, that is) in order to afford the bare necessities? Who wants to meet neighbors that we've been told will only steal what's rightfully ours, or will only parrot dittohead cable talk-show comments and shutting off discourse?

            Who wants to spend time sending literate, well-reasoned letters to the editor when those with less intellectual honesty or capacity and lots more time on their hands will only respond tenfold with the same lies and talking points to every letter you write?

            Who wants to join local organizations or run for community office when you will be met with hostility and suspicion because suddenly you've become a "politician"? Who likes having their every good impulse and effort at public service impugned and smeared by opponents and those working for them by a political climate that has taught us to regard every public servant with a cynical and jaundiced eye?

            Who wants to work to create livable communities when every request for the funds needed to do so are met by comments from neighbors to the effect of "I've got mine, and you get yours. And I don't give a shit about infrastructure, elder services or schools--they don't benefit ME, so keep your hands off MY money."

            Who would not become discouraged enough to shun community life and restrict political and social discourse to online communities, where we can at least pre-screen the residents to determine if we'll be first drowned out with invective? Even though we know that the result will be to abandon the public sphere to the cronyists, the ignorant, the self-important and self-serving, and the criminal?

            And what I'm saying applies internationally as well. We are now global pariahs.

            Bush and his culture of corruption has destroyed our national sense of community. In this, he's only finishing what the Raygun Revolution started, but has widened it breathtakingly to a scope I never thought would be possible.

            God help me, but I'll never stop hating him and his enablers for the damage they've caused to our society.

            There is but one surefire way to vanquish conservatives, and that is to beat the shit out of them."--David Podvin

            by Sharoney on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 11:52:28 AM PST

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            •  I think you're too pessimistic (3+ / 0-)
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              I raise funds for a regional food bank.  It is my real pleasure to work with hundreds of people who sincerely want to build a stronger community and are doing so every day.  I am often blown away by the generosity of these people.

              Thousands/millions of Americans still care, because our social fabric is stronger than George Bush.  Ultimately, Bush may even lead to stronger communities as Americans join together to fight back for the values most of us hold so strongly.  

              That said, you're certainly correct in suggesting that the social fabric is stretched and frayed and torn.  The widening income gap, the need to have two people working really hard to make ends meet, the increasing burden on the private sector as the government stops serving the common good -- all these things weaken our sense of community.

              But don't give up.  There are people in your city or town who want to know you and work with you to re-build what the evil bastard has destroyed.  

              •  I know. (1+ / 0-)
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                I'm just trying to put into words the general malaise (to use a word that Carter was reamed for using!) that seems to have gripped this country, where such optimism was formerly the first, not the last thing that other countries associated with us when the name "America" was invoked.

                And DailyKos does wonders for my stamina and the faith that there are people, out here in the blogosphere, anyway, who do care.

                Thanks for the encouragement. I think it's the most valuable thing about this site. It's good to know that there are more builders than destroyers.

                There is but one surefire way to vanquish conservatives, and that is to beat the shit out of them."--David Podvin

                by Sharoney on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 01:52:14 PM PST

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            •  The Republican party is against the common good. (3+ / 0-)
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              mrblifil, snakelass, Magorn

              And it is the duty of Republicans to change that.

              George Bush is the bastard child of the rape of shit by ignorance, raised in the hothouse loam of privilege by a wet-nurse named Entitlement.

              by Yellow Canary on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 01:47:42 PM PST

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            •  it's not just Bush (0+ / 0-)

              here in the People's Republic of Berzerkeley, citizen activism translates into expensive, difficult process to make anything happen, and forces of inertia tend to dominate. Why expose yourself to the inevitable attacks/dirty politics? It's up to us to build parties and systems that provide the support and change the culture to make it a safe place to make a meaningful contribution.

        •  Even though President now means "King" (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't think you can do that. It was a decision by the Secret Service, not Clinton, and I don't think he had the authority to override it. Their position was it was something they needed to do to do their job.

          But while you're looking for edicts to pronounce, maybe you could get them to run Metro to Georgetown.

          •  Yeah that'll be the second thing (7+ / 0-)

            I change.  I'm no fan of the "unitary executive" but the last time I checked, The Secret service work for the executive branch and the presdient is therefore their boss.  This idea that the SS can override the president on anything is disturbing.

             There may and will be times that the right thing to do to ensure the president's safety directly contradicts what the "right" thing for the nation is at that moment. (Immediately Post 9/11 hoilding the presdient virtually incommunicado on an Airbase in Nebraska was precisely NOT what a jittery nation needed.  {though, In retrospect it was probably better thean the jibbering bable that an extemporaneous W could have managed})  I want the man I elected making that choice, not a glorified Cop.

            The fetish for presidential safety more or less is an artifact of the Cold war, and nuclear hair-trigger age, and in that context it made some sense.   Now however,  I think the obsession with his safety  helps create the idea of the President as a Sacred Person, an idea more suited to a monarchy than a democracy.  

            And I'll put a Metro Stop in G'town right after I issue the executive order making Metro a 24-hour a day system

            Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

            by Magorn on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:07:25 PM PST

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            •  Your Highness! (3+ / 0-)
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              And I'll put a Metro Stop in G'town right after I issue the executive order making Metro a 24-hour a day system

              Good enough for me. You've got my vote. Lacking a sword to present to declare my fealty, I hereby present you one slightly used computer keyboard, please ignore the sandwich crumbs in between the keys.

              •  Two sharp inhalations. (1+ / 0-)
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                "The fetish for presidential safety more or less is an artifact of the Cold war"

                IME, people are more ... local ... than that.  I suspect the fetish regarding the president's personal safety arises from knowing what agents of the president are doing and have done abroad.

                George Bush is the bastard child of the rape of shit by ignorance, raised in the hothouse loam of privilege by a wet-nurse named Entitlement.

                by Yellow Canary on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 01:52:58 PM PST

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    •  Agree and DISAGREE ... (5+ / 0-)

      I agree that competent protection of the President is legitimate. And, that could include 'subterfuge' by the advance team ... even if I am not happy about what they are trying to advance.

      But imitating journalists -- even FAUX News pseudo-journalists -- should be verboten.  They could have probably gotten permission from the RNC or the state Republican Party to use that as coverage.  They could have associated themselves with a polling organization that works for the RNC or the White House.  There are many cover stories that could have used with the permission of the institution that would have provided the security required by not revealing details of the President's potential itinerary without violating basic guidelines of how government should work.

      9/11/05, Day 1469, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 10:54:53 AM PST

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    •  hmm.. (3+ / 0-)
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      eventually we'll reach critical mass...right

      The Government can stay Totalitarian longer than you can remain free...

      My twist on the old saying "The market can stay irrational longer than you can remain solvent"

    •  If it were my house? (0+ / 0-)

      I think I'd hang out the "COME BACK WITH A WARRANT" sign.
      (Gotta get me one of those!)

      We must never lose it, or sell it, or give it away. We must never let them take it from us.

      by Fabian on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 02:49:42 PM PST

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  •  Wow (15+ / 0-)

    I'm so happy to hear that the D3 are still working hard on their "case".

    It has become GLARINGLY obvious that bushCO completely believe that they are "above the law" and they can do anything to meet their needs.  

    What's more is that there is now a pattern of behavior...actually, there are several patterns of behavior....when it comes to bushCO.

    Let's hope their hubris gets them in the end!

  •  Impeach, Indict, Imprison (22+ / 0-)

    Repeat as needed.

    This misadministration is rotten to the core. Feingold is right -- we need censure now; then we need to impeach the lot of them, indict them, and lock them up for the rest of their lives so they can't do any more damage.

    Thwarting the forces of conservatism since 1978. -7.63, -5.64

    by wiscmass on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 10:48:54 AM PST

    •  ' IMPEACH KLINKERMAN ' (0+ / 0-)
      That has a nice ring to it.

      Every YR on the make has visions of future high government service.

      Make an example of him, take that dream away from him, and work up the chain from there.

      Not in government employ? Put that on the record, and go after whoever is covering for him.

      But I just think "IMPEACH KLINKERMAN" has a nice bumpersticker ring to it.

      None Dare Call It Stupid!

      by RonK Seattle on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 11:55:41 AM PST

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  •  Thugs (0+ / 0-)

    with no conscience. Just zealots that are determined to impose their view of America on others. It is a cult of personality and without Bush their lives would have little meaning...pretty disgusting...But President of the Colorado Young Republicans? Who could take such a title seriously except a Jack Abramoff/Grover Norquist rethug-type criminal in the making?

    •  Young Republicans (0+ / 0-)

      It's no different from the Colorado Young Democrats.  The youth organizations in both parties are pretty important to the future of the party, and the GOP has been more organized on that front in recent years.

      Klinkerman obviously is full of himself, but the title itself is as serious as any Chair position for a party committee.

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

      by Phoenix Rising on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 11:21:48 AM PST

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      •  Well then if it is a serious position (3+ / 0-)
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        His committee needs to get a new Chair/President. Otherwise they are validating this type of action as representative of the Republican Party in Colorado. I've chaired many a committee for non-profits so I know my committees and the parent organization care how I present myself because I represent them. If he was doing this off his own bat then he's a jerk...but when you carry a title around it becomes quite another thing.

        •  They'll validate it... (5+ / 0-)
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          It's the Young Republicans we're talking about.  The same national organization who shouted "Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho.  Social Security's got to go!" in a brazen act of truthfulness about their party's stance.  Subtle they ain't.

          Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

          by Phoenix Rising on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 11:30:51 AM PST

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          •  And (4+ / 0-)
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            Using fraudulent fundraising e-mails to steal millions from seniors.


            You can't say that this group is "just like" Democratic Party youth groups.  It's a totally different thing

            "We need a war to show 'em that we can do it whenever we say we need a war." -- Fischerspooner

            by bink on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 11:36:13 AM PST

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          •  That was my original point (2+ / 0-)
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            peraspera, WV Democrat

            I was indicating that Klinkerman is filling out the young Rethug-type criminal attitude similar to Jack Abramoff (who I believe was once a President of some Young Republican sect) and all too many others in the modern Republican Party. I don't think I've ever heard of this type of behavior from Young Democrats.

            •  Have to give you and bink that... (3+ / 0-)
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              peraspera, WV Democrat, vcmvo2

              I was just defending the general idea of his title originally.  There's really no defending the practices of many of the Young Republican groups, nor what the Denver Three went through that night.

              And no, I don't recall the Young Democrats ever being that slimy.  In Colorado, they spend most of their time and effort doing two things: (1) showing up at events and providing needed energy, and (2) GOTV and voter registration work.

              Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

              by Phoenix Rising on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 11:40:01 AM PST

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      •  Young Rethugs? (3+ / 0-)

        I'm sorry, did you mean to say young chickenhawks?

        Any and every Rethug between 18-40 who has not enlisted yet is nothing but a despicable hypocrite cowardly chickenhawk piece of shit. Period. No exceptions. And we need to remember that, every waking moment, and never miss a single opportunity to remind them of it.

        They're scum.

        Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

        by drewfromct on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:12:25 PM PST

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        •  Swap a few words and that's Freeperspeak (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Yellow Canary

          I took my semi-annual cruise around their oh-so-unpleasant territory just recently, and it all sounded alot like that.  

          I share your frustration, but I'd prefer we didn't resemble them.  

          •  Point taken (2+ / 0-)
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            paradox, Mass Southpaw

            but sometimes, the only way to fight fire is with fire. Where's our fire?

            Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

            by drewfromct on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:54:51 PM PST

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            •  Bull (3+ / 0-)
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              applegal, drewfromct, Sophie Blue

              The criticism is grossly unfair.  The selection of adjectives is totally irrelevant, it's the subject matter being discussed that warrants any possible criticism from us.

              Freepers slime Cindy Sheehan and spread lies.  This Kossarian used a perfectly accurate scenario wherein these "citizens" scream for war and but would never, ever fight it themselves.

              That warrants any adjective he could care to use and it wouldn't bother me, including motherfucker, asshole or son of a bitch.

              The use of the language is what bothers this guy, that's fine. It may resemble a Freeper.  But in no way does it even come close to their knuckledragger content and gross cruelty.

              •  Point taken in turn (1+ / 0-)
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                I agree that Drewfromct's basic point is perfectly accurate, whereas Freeper scenarios are disgustingly fabricated. That is indeed a very important difference.  

                Also it's not that any single one of those adjectives is inaccurate.  And I don't mind a little profanity once in a goddamn while, just for some fucking emphasis, you know?  

                But there's no evading the fact that HOW we express ourselves becomes an inextricable part of WHAT we express. A rhetorical style consisting of long strings of derogatory adjectives ending in "scum" seem uncomfortably reminiscent of knuckledragging to me.  

                He's angry?  I'm angry too (though I'm not a he).  And turning the other cheek doesn't come at all naturally. But if anything can bring me back to the values of moderation, logic, and tolerance, it is being freshly exposed to their venomous spew.  

  •  Klinkerman (3+ / 0-)
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    According to - the only Jay B Klinkerman in the US seems to have roots in Cheyenne, Wyoming and in the Denver area. He is 32 years old. (I'm too cheap to pay for the reports.)

    Is there an (indirect) connection to Cheney? (note the Wyoming connection)

    Casper's name is too common to be certain of who he is.

  •  Any relation to BillO's 'Fox Cops'? (6+ / 0-)


    •  Spike Lee's looking for him (2+ / 0-)
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      mbair, peraspera

       and the woman who screamed at condaleaserliar for shoe shopping while people were drowning, he's making a knew film for fall release " When the levy's broke".
       This is thier standard mo., I met someone last summer who worked to keep gambling out of Maine he said there was Republican Operatives working with them, to defeat it, hmmm wonder who was behind that.  They have nothing but contempt for democracy.  So if anyone know's how to get in touch with the good docter pass it on.

      •  read that too (0+ / 0-)

        don't know the name of shoe lady. Spike Lee is doing a film on Katrina in case any readers here didn't see that piece last week. The article that I read didn't name Dr. Marble so I hope Mr. Lee at least knows his name.

        Great comment, pass it on!

  •  Maybe a volunteer AND a staffer? (5+ / 0-)
    Were the miscreants "on the clock" in their official duties at the time? Or were they -- like many government employees staffing to political electeds and appointees -- volunteering at these events "on their own time"?

    In either case, it's hard to imagine a qualified immunity claim would hold water.

    None Dare Call It Stupid!

    by RonK Seattle on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 11:30:05 AM PST

  •  Hell, most of the MSM pretend to be journalists. (15+ / 0-)

    Easy to see where White House staffers got the idea it's ok.

    Slap those goddam hogs away from the trough. They've had enough.

    by perro amarillo on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 11:32:55 AM PST

    •  yeah - more snark (0+ / 0-)

      I'm sorry to stink up the place but after watching the Preznit, if I don't start laughing I'm gonna start crying.

      • I'd be satisfied if journalists start impersonating journalists while at work.
      • This diary's title should be changed to "WH staffers impersonating Secret Service agents impersonating journalists", but that might be too Victor/Victoria for y'all.
      • How could the lapel-pin-wearing mod squad leave the President in the lurch yesterday when this guy got up and asked such an unreasonable question? Don't they realize that the Preznit must ALWAYS be surrounded by the obsequious? We can't just leave him out there hanging from a shaky branch amongst the common folk.

  •  Who was the 'big guy in a suit' in (5+ / 0-)

    Canadaigua N. Y. who broke up a press interview following a Bush "town hall" meeting a week ago, March 14 2006? Link:

    Kossacks may remember this a sequel the "Grandma's in lockdown" diary from last week.

    Let's keep this one alive too.

  •  Isn't it a crime to impersonate (0+ / 0-)

    a law enforcement officer?

    •  Secret Service said... (11+ / 0-)

      According to the report the Denver Post obtained, the Secret Service said no-one impersonated them.  Casper was certainly dressed for the part, but the report doesn't implicate him...

      Also in the report, the Secret Service did affirm to the Denver Three that they had to leave or be arrested; according to the report, it was a "private event".  You know, one of those private events that the taxpayer funds...

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

      by Phoenix Rising on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 11:42:39 AM PST

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      •  Follow the money (4+ / 0-)
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        As during Watergate, the key to determining whether this was a "private event" is to follow the money. If taxpayer funds were used for this event, then to me this should have been a public event and open to any citizen. If private funds were used (e.g., the RNC), then "maybe" private. "Maybe" because with the repugs there is always the possibility of Abramoff-like shenanigans of using public funds but then shifting private (or lobby) money around after the fact to cover up their misuse of public funds if too many questions get asked. I personally wouldn't trust a single Republican with even a $5 bill. No wonder with these jackasses we've got a $9,000,000,000,000 national debt (that's a lot of zeroes, kind of like the repugs).

        Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - Richard Feynman

        by dewtx on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:19:57 PM PST

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  •  More to this story yet. (10+ / 0-)

    The WH refused to identify where they worked in the WH.

    Asked to identify where they worked, White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo said she would not go beyond the statement Lisaius gave to the Post.

    See the rest of the MSNBC article here

    Lies, cover-up, etc.---it never stops with these guys!!

  •  The key? 'Qualified immunity' (16+ / 0-)

    White House staffers, throwing people out of Bushians-only events, impersonating Secret Service officers, claiming "qualified immunity"?  The only thing missing is the full-on admission that a Praetorian Guard (somebody else's brilliant analogy; wish I'd thought of it) is doing some feverish clandestine work, at the White House's behest, for reasons that are...well, extra-legal at best.  

    But it's this "qualified immunity" thing that's screaming like a banshee.  It simply has to mean this: "You can't touch us 'cause Bush says you can't.  We're working at his pleasure; we're unprosecutable, we have immunity, qualified by events like this.  We can kick people out of any events we choose - and pretend we're law enforcement when we do it - and as long as we limit it to, again, events like this, we have immunity.  So fuck off."  Shock troops for the president.  The president's brownshirt committee.  Praetorian Guards.  Do any of those terms rhyme, even in T.S. Eliot abstract terms, with democracy?  Sure hope you answered "no" to that one.

    This should be every bit as popularly roiling as the Dubai ports debacle, but it won't be.  It should get the attention the NSA wiretapping has gotten, but it won't.  It should be on the front pages of every major newspaper, like, yesterday.  It wasn't.  And it won't be.  

    Bush's presidency is all about getting the American populace used to a kinder, gentler authoritarianism - not your father's ugly, stupid, garish Nazi/Soviet-style authoritarianism.  This is streamlined and woven with threads that blend into the other threads in our seemingly free lives...that is, until you hold the threads up to the light, and the watermarked words imprinted on them appear:


  •  Turn it around (5+ / 0-)
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    Imagine if scenes like this had been played out in the Clinton years...WH henchmen impersonating Secret Service or friendly journalists (Yeah, I know, there were no friendly journos in the Clinton years--just go with it, we're talking hypotheticals here)...can you imagine the uproar in the "liberal" media? If it had happened in January of '03, Limbaugh&Co would still be citing it as an example of the Dems "moral bankruptcy" every day of the week.

    Our side could never even begin to live down the kind of shit they get the easiset of passes on. But, that's the "liberal" media for you:Fair&Balanced.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:07:16 PM PST

  •  government by pretense? (5+ / 0-)
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    The more I read of this the more I'm convinced that the only thing Republicans are good at is PLAYING at government.  They can't govern. For that matter, they can't even "manage."

    Governance and management are tough to do when the bottom line appears to be veniality.  "Little Boys" (not to leave out Rice, and the other women in Bush's life) playing like they are officials --Heckuva Job Brownie comes to mind. Playing like they are Secret Service. Playing like they're Players--See: Abramoff. Playing like they are the almight--See: Gonzales. And a man who plays like he's the president.

    Why does all this remind a person of little guys out in the back yard with cap pistols strapped on popping away and placing each other "under arrest?" If the incompetency isn't bad enough the Bushites have tacked on immaturity!

  •  Recommended - Tip Jar? n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "[T]hat I have no remedy for all the sorrows of the world is no reason for my accepting yours. It simply supports the strong probability that yours is a fake."

    by Heronymous Cowherd on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:18:50 PM PST

  •  More on Qualified Immunity (7+ / 0-)

    Qualified immunity is given to gov't officials who carry out discretionary duties (duties that require judgment calls). The concept is intended to protect officials from constantly being sued. If an official has qualified immunity, then no suit can be filed and s/he is not liable for other injuries.

    The Supreme Court has developed this concept through case law and usually the case involve law enforcement officers. There is a two-prong test: 1."(1) Was the law governing the official's conduct clearly established? (2) Under that law, could a reasonable officer have believed the conduct was lawful?" The standard is objective reasonableness. Qualified immunity isn't about gray areas-- it's about laws that any reasonable official should know about.

    I would think that a reasonable person should know that impersonating a law enforcement official is illegal. Also, one would think that an official would know that a T-shirt slogan falls under the First Amendment. However, no one is claiming that anybody connected with the Bush Administration is reasonable nor objective.  

    I don't think the claim of qualified immunity would hold up in this case.

  •  why is this a big deal? (5+ / 0-)

    the Administration have been posing as ADULTS for 6 years

  •  Ask for ID before doing anyting. (7+ / 0-)

    Any law enforment officer is required to produce ID, if asked, when requiring your cooperation. So, the rule from now on is to ask to see thier ID. If they will not produce it, don't do what they ask. You might get arrested, which sucks, but you will not be convicted of anything. Why? You have only asked to be sure that the person that is requiring cooperation is, in fact, able to request it.

    So, be polite, say sir, say that you are more than happy to complie, but, given past problems with this type of thing, you will need to know thier name and badge number. Just for proceedure. If they won't cough it up, ask for thier suppervisor or someone that has approprate ID.

    If you live in fear the worst has already happened to you

    by Something the Dog Said on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:29:07 PM PST

  •  Yeah, what if they had been perverts after their (0+ / 0-)

    daughter?  Nice joke, just let them waltz in and take pictures.  Maybe now they've done this, people will be hoping for a visit from Faux Whitehouse personnel, and let anyone in.   Nice job guys, after all the disappearing girls along the coast is probably only beginning.

  •  Does anyone see the danger in allowing this to go (2+ / 0-)
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    Not that I care that much about Bush's personal safety, but if a staffer can impersonate a Secret Service agent with no visibility to the real Secret Service and no consequence - what's to stop a potential assassin from doing the same thing.

    Seems to me the Secret Service should be ALL OVER this!

  •  They terrorize seniors too (1+ / 0-)
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    Remember last week when Bush went to the senior complex and seniors were restricted from their movements while he was there?

    Remember the diary that was posted saying a WH person interrupted a senior from talking to the press after the meeting?

    What is the money riding on them also being WH Staff with no cover, just goons trying to shut people up from complaining?

  •  Up the Creek (2+ / 0-)
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    snakelass, Magorn

    The missing piece of the Fox/SS/Akins puzzle is how come we heard about the fraud? Since Akins didn't care the SS lied to him, posing as Fox "journalists", who did he tell who got the story to the media? Or who asked him? The story makes Bush look bad, especially in the current context of warrantless wiretapping and home invasion, but Akins seems otherwise like Bush's biggest fan. What "went wrong" with molesting Akins?

    Once we understand what's actually happening with this media event, we can use it to probe the much more serious implications. How often does the SS pose as FOX "journalists"? Is there a deal with Fox? What else is exchanged along that merger of the SS and Murdoch's fascist propaganda machine?

    Everyone with even half a brain (top 5% of Fox viewers) knows that Fox is in corporate collusion with BushCo. Do we have the smoking gun now on our desks? Can we trace this radioactive marker like barium through the White House and Murdoch "plumbing"? Snorkels on!

  •  Guess we know about Fox now, don't we? (2+ / 0-)
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    mrblifil, mediaprisoner

    Such impersonations not only destroy the credibility of journalists

    Sometimes that is the purpose of the impersonation.

  •  Actually, this timeline makes sense to me... (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't know how they go about "picking" places like this for the President to visit, but if I were in charge of the PR I would want to pick a friendly venue AND I would not want to create any unnecessary fuss.

    So, they go to this guy's house using some kind of excuse (in this case posing as reporters) to see if it would be workable.  Posing as Fox News makes sense because any Bush Bashers out there would have an immediately negative reaction to that (i.e. indicating that this would not be a good venue).

    While on the scouting trip they don't want to announce that the President might be showing up so they leave it with their cover story.  Maybe there was also some "back at the office" approvals to be made as well.  The story says that they continued down the road so maybe they were scouting a number of potential spots to be decided later.

    So the PR guys go out scouting for a friendly venue on Friday, and they decide to pick Akin's place.  They then contact the Secret Service that same day to tell them the location.

    Then on Saturday through Tuesday the Secret Service does their thing by contacting Akins to let him know what is happening and to probably get some sort of approvals from him (after all, he may NOT want the President to visit).  They then start bringing in all sorts of people to prep the place from a security perspective.

    All nice and tidy.  No conspiracy theories required.

  •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

    Funny, this should be all over the MSM, but it's not.  This is even better, goons impersonating federal officers.  And then more goons posing as journalists?  Not that I would trust either one!
    This is all you need to know about this guy, this Bush guy.

    Lord, It's a wonderful day for an Apocalypse.

  •  When you write that this is bad news for the WH (2+ / 0-)
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    Magorn, Eddie Haskell

    is this going to be another in the wishful thinking charges for another impeachment run? Considering this administration was asleep and on a month long vacation before 9/11, invaded two sovereign countries, one of them lying like a rug to get the support, destroyed the middle class, allowed the oil, drug and insurance companies to completely take over the economy of this country, out a covert CIA agent, went back to sleep while Katrina devastated the gulf coast, illegally spied on US citizens, promote torture, ruin our relationships with most of the world, and destroy the ecology, to be honest, this story doesn't sound too bad to the White House since they don't give a damn and are daring anyone to do anything about it.

  •  A couple of questions for you... (0+ / 0-)
    1. Where does it say in any of these stories that anyone impersonated a Secret Service agent?

    The Secret Service reports referenced said that no one did and the news story says that the WH staff impersonated reporters, not Secret Service.  Seems like your basic premise is a little off of the mark.

    It also indicated that Akins had assumed that they were Secret Service, not that they had represented themselves as such.

    1. If this was supposedly so nefarious, why did they voluntarily approach Akins after the event and explain what had happened?

    You seem very upset about all of this, but you don't really seem to account for why they would bother.  To me this just points out that the whole thing was on the up and up, and the fact that Akin didn't have any problem with it suggests that the details of the explanation (absent from the report) were at least satisfactory to him.

    1. How would you expect the time line to look for something like this when you have to account for a) picking a suitable venue for a visit, b) insuring that it is a friendly one (neither a nor b being a task for the Secret Service), c) doing so in such a way that you do not alert anyone to what is being planned, and d) ultimately bringing the Secret Service in to provide the required security.

    It seems perfectly reasonable to assume that some group like the PR staff (as you suggested above) was doing the advance work to pick a site.

    It also makes sense to me that they would do so using some sort of cover.  They can't just go up the road asking all the residents "we are thinking of bringing the President by, do you have any sort of problem with that?"

    It makes sense to me to use posing as Fox News reporters as a cover story since this should help with finding the friendly part of that venue.  Any potential Bush Bashers are likely to react visibly to even the mention of Fox News, much less invite them into their house for a chat.

    It makes sense that after the PR guys scouted for and eventually select Akins place for the visit, that only then the Secret Service would show up to start preparations.

    The reference to "strangers" showing up must refer to the Secret Service agents themselves.  The time lines match, and I mean even if Akins had not been alarmed by unidentified strangers milling about in his house, wouldn't the Secret Service guys kind of be on the alert to that sort of thing?  I doubt anyone got into that house after the Secret Service arrived that they didn't question thoroughly.

    This seems very plausible to me and doesn't require any theories about nefarious operatives and such.

    •  Denver (0+ / 0-)

      Lets go back to the original post.  Three people attending a political rally in Denver were removed from that rally because of an anti-Bush bumper sticker far away in a parking lot.  They were removed by persons acting under a suggested, but false, color of law enforcement.  These men appear to be affiliated with the Colorado Republican party and the Presidential White House.  

      Thus:  political opposition = removal.  That's the story.  Goons removing well-behaved political opponents.  Makes extraordinary rendition from the United States to Uzbekhistan (where political opponents are, truly, boiled in oil) make a lot more sense.  

      And c'mon . . . can we at least draw a dotted line between Denver and former Supreme Court Justice O'Connor's remarks last week about commonalities between our politcal climate and that found in a third world dictatorship?  Dictatorship.  Her words.  Google it.  

      Ugly stuff, buddy.  These are ugly, ugly times.  

      Impeach. Convict. Remove.

      by DC Scott on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 05:21:53 PM PST

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    •  Answers (0+ / 0-)
      1. The MSNBC story does indeed say that "later on" the "reporters" indicated that they were Secret Service...
      1. Unknown why they approached him after, but if #1 is true, they lied through their teeth and that's what's so nefarious about it.  I might not be "okay with it" if I was Akin, but I'd probably resign myself to it if it wasn't for the fact that the Secret Service denied they were from their team.

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

      by Phoenix Rising on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 11:11:39 PM PST

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  •  42 USC 1983 (2+ / 0-)
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    Magorn, Monkey In Chief

    Magorn wrote:

    When Asked about the Man who committed several crimes and blatantly violated the Denver Three's civil rights  to boot (*42 USC$1983 is the phrase that Pays here*.)

    A minor quibble: 42 USC 1983 permits lawsuits against persons acting "under color of" state law, i.e., state, county, or municipal officials, for violations of constitutional rights.  Section 1983 doesn't permit lawsuits against federal officials purporting to be acting under federal law.  Here's the relevant part of the statute:

    42 USC 1983:

    Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law . . . .

    So whatever lawsuit the Denver Three are filing, I don't think it can be a Section 1983 action.  I would guess it's a Bivens suit, which is a lawsuit filed against the federal government officer who committed the constitutional violation.  (Read more about Bivens here.)

    Moreover, the Denver Three can't use these guys to "get to the White House higher-ups" simply by using a respondeat superior theory (where the employer is automatically liable for the wrongs of the employee), since respondeat superior doesn't apply in Bivens actions.  (See Abate v. Southern Pac. Transp. Co., 993 F.2d 107.)  However, if the Denver Three can show that some higher-up actively encouraged this conduct, or that a higher-up "caused the tortious conduct by [their] accepted custom or policy," then the employer may be liable.  This is sort of untrodden legal ground, though, I think, because as far as I know there haven't been any cases dealing with the vicarious liability of high-level executive branch officials under a Bivens action based on constitutional violations of subordinate White House employees.

    The President, in any event, has "absolute immunity" for all constitutional violations committed within "the outer perimiter of his duties of office," so Bush won't be liable for this himself, under respondeat superior or otherwise.

    Other executive personnel, including White House aides, enjoy only "qualified immunity," but this won't save the impersonators, because qualified immunity only attaches when they committed violations within the actual functions of their executive positions, and impersonating Secret Service was clearly not among the "functions" that fall within their job description.  (For comparison, prosecutors also have "qualified immunity," so they can't be sued for constitutional violations they commit while prosecuting, but they could be sued for committing constitutional violations other than in their prosecutorial function.)  Moreover, qualified immunity doesn't apply, as someone pointed out already, when the right the officials violated is "clearly established," meaning at the time of the violation, the official should have known that the action violated the Constitution if they were fully apprised of the constitutional law presently on the books.

    Any upper-level staffers who directed this conduct also wouldn't enjoy qualified immunity because of the "clearly established right" exception, but as I mentioned before, the upper-level staffers might not be reachable under a "vicarious liability of the employer" theory in this type of case.

    (If any constitutional scholars out there know of any cases on point -- as to whether, in a Bivens action, a White House aide can be held vicariously liable for affirmatively causing the constitutional violations of a subordinate White House aide -- I would love to hear of them.  Just because I don't know of them doesn't mean they don't exist.)

    Quo usque tandem abutere, George W., patientia nostra?

    by Mr Futomaki on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 05:03:02 PM PST

    •  Facts are fun things. (1+ / 0-)
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      Your points about Section 1983 and Bivens are good ones.  It's been awhile since I've looked into those actions.  My thoughts about respondeat superior, supra, were not made with section 1983 or Bivens actions in mind.  Simple civil lawsuits for deprivation of civil rights, consistent with your comment about showing active encouragement by a political higher up.  It seems that we have state and possibly national political operatives shutting down political dissent.  If Karl Rove is sitting in the West Wing advising the Colorado Republican Party to shut down or rough up political opponents in Denver, you wouldn't necessarily have to go after him under Bivens or section 1983.  Sue him as per SPLC suits v. skinheads and KKK.  

      The facts haven't come out, yet.  I'm glad the case is in the judicial system and subject to discovery rules (discovery problems provided the basis for Clinton's impeachment).  Here's hoping the case doesn't get tossed before the facts come out.  In any event, I'd sue hell out of the local guys just to keep 'em on their toes.  Word travels fast.  

      Impeach. Convict. Remove.

      by DC Scott on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 05:48:35 PM PST

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    •  The Capitol Police (0+ / 0-)

      Admitted that it was wrong for them to prevent invited guests for the State of the Union address from attending because they wore t-shirts with political messages.  As a result, the Capitol Police apologized to the two women involved (Cindy Sheehan and the wife of a Republican Congressman).  

      It looked to me like the Chief of the Capitol Police lost his job over this (although the offical reason given was failure to comply with anti-nepotism rules).

      It's hard to figure out why the Capitol Police can figure this out while the White House "volunteers" cannot.  Perhaps it is the hours of legal training received by real police officers as opposed to phony security guards who do not have any real business throwing people out of venues for their political views.

  •  Yeah, yeah, kinda like... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...this overzealous volunteer

    When the president delivered his remarks, he did so from the floor of a warehouse with American flags in the background along with the logo "Strengthening America's Economy" on a backdrop of boxes. The boxes were stamped "Made in U.S.A."

    One problem: The boxes were made in China.

    And that was evident despite an effort to hide labels on boxes surrounding the stage. The boxes placed on the side of the stage had "Made in China" labels covered up with white pieces of paper.

    "This was the work of an overzealous advance volunteer," said White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan. "It's being taken up with the appropriate people."

    I guess they forgot to fire that guy...

  •  Clearly there's a White House team behind this (0+ / 0-)

    This isn't one or two isolated incidents; it's a pattern of behavior.

    Connect the dots!

    Anyone who isn't outraged isn't paying attention.

    by lambertstrether on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 08:23:48 PM PST

  •  A prelude (0+ / 0-)

    to an organization similar to Hitler's SS?

    -4.25, -6.87: Someday, after the forest fire of the Right has died we'll say "Whew, I'm happy that's over."

    by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 08:40:38 PM PST

  •  The WH knows (0+ / 0-)

      they can't take a chance that someone might ask Chimpy an unscripted question. The man can't think fast enough to avoid looking like a dolt.

      I don't recall Bill Clinton being afraid of hecklers.

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