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This diary is in direct response, not to the diary itself so much, as to the number of people who have recommended it. Below are my comments in that diary (which I will not link to), because I simply would like to be on record, and provide a forum for other who want to do the same, for being AGAINST that which would undermine the power which the Democratic Party is lined up to obtain in November, and/or anytime thereafter.

In response to the full frontal assualt on Ben Domenech's plagarism:

I plagarized when I was at college, too (gasp). Also, drank LOTS of beer and (gasp) smoked a lot of fucking dope, too. What's the fucking point? College kids are nukcing futs? Who knew!

Gotcha politics, at such a low level, is not a game we want to set a precedent for given how fucking marginal many dems are. When they get power in November, we won't like the lowest common denominator anymore.

I've not signed up for, "By any means necessary". This is truly a short sighted diary, and I am saddened that the "community" would recommend it, just on the basis of the "community's" self-interest alone.

We cannot fight injustice, dishonesty, and hypocrisy with our own injustice, dishonesty, and hypocrisy.

Originally posted to Caleb G on Thu Mar 23, 2006 at 02:02 PM PST.

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  •  Oh boy... (2+ / 0-)
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    Elwood Dowd, melvin

    Im staying out of the way of this pie fight...

    Maynard G Muskievote

    by calipygian on Thu Mar 23, 2006 at 01:59:39 PM PST

  •  Please recommend if you agree... (2+ / 4-)
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    PerfectStormer, RB in Pgh
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    hind, Eternal Hope, Earl, vcmvo2

    ...that the Democratic Party needs to keep the political debate with the GOP above the level of what each other did in college.

    Clinton smoked dope, too. How dumb was that to watch?

  •  Oh gawd (2+ / 0-)
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    lilnubber, smokeymonkey

    I teach a gateway class for a nursing school.

    Students who show less than flawless ethical behavior do NOT get the nod from me.

    I'm also coming from a position of "been there, fone that," so they're hard pressed to get anything past me.

    That may seem irrelevant, except that I also believe that, at a personal level, each of us has to be the bearer of progressive values and prove to the world by our own behavior that we're the right choice. I have to do it in the classroom --- and I do it in all of my behavior because I believe it is the best way possible to convince those around me the progressive cause is the right cause.

    Coalitions are great andall that, but coalitions are made up of individuals. And if the individuals composing a coalition are smarmy, so is the coalition itself. If the members of a coalition want to win at all cost, and are willing to lie, thieve, whatever, to get what they want, that coalition will serve only to perpetuate what we already have.

    During and after the invasion of Iraq, I "engaged" many wingnuts. I was crazy mad and yea, I stopped to their level because I was that pissed off.

    I accomplished absolutely nothing except to reinforce their claims that libruls are untrustworthy moonbats.

    The absolute same would be true if we stoooped to their level in debate. The vast unconvinced whatevertheyare out there would remain unconvinced and continue with their claims that there's no difference between us and the extremist right.

  •  this isn't about smoking dope (6+ / 0-)

    I don't care what drugs Little Ben did in school - hell, I've probably done all the same ones.

    But plagiarism is a deeply unethical thing, especially by a journalist.  College kids who are caught plagiarizing are, rightly, expelled.  Journalists who are caught plagiarizing are, rightly, fired and blacklisted.

    Is he not a journalist?  Maybe just a blogger?  Doesn't matter.  I see a "Washington Post" above his name, which means he should be held to the strictest standards.

    This is the most devastating demonstration of the Post's own self-degradation.  Bad enough that their standards have slipped so badly that they believe they must "balance" facts with rhetoric.  They cannot employ plagiarists and expect to maintain any credibility.

    News organizations have a public trust.  That is why they have ethical codes.  Plagiarism is one of the worst possible sins against that trust.

    The Post has soiled itself.

    Packer, you Republican cannibal, I would sintince ya ta hell but the statutes forbid it.

    by BrooklynRaider on Thu Mar 23, 2006 at 02:21:25 PM PST

  •  I just read the diary in question (4+ / 0-)
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    hind, lilnubber, donailin, optimusprime

    Which I should have initially.

    The plagiarism issue is, in fact, absolutely relevant and is not stooping to the extremist right's level.

    He did plagiarize, he did so as an adult and there is no evidence that he has acquired enough insight or sense of ethics to understand how problematic this is. Instead, it appears he's merely built on it, meaning he's a win at all costs sort and therefore untrustworthy.

    The charge is fair. It's not playing dirty.

  •  If he were a businessman, (1+ / 0-)
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    Alien Abductee

    the plagiarism thing would slide by more easily.

    He is a journalist.  There is no more important ethical standard for a journalist than maintaining the trust of your readership.

    And he didn't plagiarize in a term paper - it was in a school publication.  As a journalist.

    Everything else, I can let slide - we've all been there.  Not that.

    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

    by pico on Thu Mar 23, 2006 at 02:34:01 PM PST

  •  Sentiment (0+ / 0-)

    I agree with your sentiment but must express my displeasure with seeing silly diaries like this too often.  You made your comment on the diary in question, let it go.  Making a completely new diary to argue the same point is pointless.

  •  And fuck your poll. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    free speech zone

    You didn't do it.

    by Earl on Thu Mar 23, 2006 at 02:40:06 PM PST

  •  Do I get a pass on killing a stripper in college? (3+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2, Chinton, eaglecries

    I mean, we were all drunk and kinda rambunctious.  And it WAS an accident.  I'm just glad we found a quiet place in the desert and that "Stinky" had a shovel in the trunk.  Poor "Candy". Or was it "Ginger"?  I forget.

    Anyhoo, good to hear I can write it off to a "youthful indescretion".

    If you don't get why it's important that the Washington-Freaking-Post hired not just a right-wing racist assbag, but a PLAGARIZING right-wing racist assbag, then I can't explain it to you.

    The Post compromised neutral journalistic values by hiring this jerk.  Now, it they do nothing about this, they're compromizing the soul of the paper and the core of their reputation.

    This isn't an attack "by any means necessary".  This is an attack on the jounalistic integrity of someone being put forward as a journalist.  If we attacked his sister or mother, THAT would be a "by any means necessary" attack.

    RULE OF LAW. That's all the reason you need to oppose Republicans.

    by nightsweat on Thu Mar 23, 2006 at 02:51:33 PM PST

  •  I just LOVE the Bush apologists here (2+ / 0-)
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    Earl, vcmvo2

    If we don't like handing over port terminals to a foreign government (and if that issue might hurt the GOP) we are racists and xenophobes.

    If we don't think people who plagiarize should get paid by national news organizations (and that issue might hurt the GOP) we are intolerant.

    All words my own.

  •  In politics, plagiarism is serious (1+ / 0-)
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    lazybum

    Just ask Joe Biden how Michael Dukakis became the candidate in 1988.

    Now ask Joe Sasso if "by any means necessary" was a smart move after all.

  •  It's not just the plagiarism that concerns me (0+ / 0-)

    The fact that he plagiarized P.J. O'Rourke exposes not only a colossal lack of imagination but also a sheer, monumental stupidity to believe that he'd never get busted for it. Both are cardinal sins for any writer in my book.

    FYI...there are two "i"'s in "plagiarism."

    No no no! My name has nothing to do with Star Wars.

    by Anacher Forester on Thu Mar 23, 2006 at 03:21:54 PM PST

    •  most plagiarists (0+ / 0-)

      are smart enough to realize that you need to do some paraphrasing and rewording if you hope to get away with it.

      so not only is this guy a plagiarist, he's a lousy plagiarist.  and pretty stupid to boot.

      i'll also point out that anyone who does this sort of thing so clumsily is begging to get caught, which brings his psychological health into question too.

  •  if this diary entry could speak (3+ / 0-)

    it would beg to be put out of its misery.

    DELETE IT!

    the only thing you have to lose is the egg on your face.

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