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So Kaloogian needs a picture of smiling, happy people in Baghdad to prove his point that all's peachy over there. He tries to slip by a picture of smiling, happy people in a suburb of Istanbul, Turkey, but he was stymied by those meddling kids at dKos.

But he was there! He has thousands of pictures to choose from! So which one does he choose to replace the hoax picture?

So, um, are we supposed to be impressed that there are no plumes of smoke rising from burnt out buildings? Because this looks like it was taken from the window of the plane as it was about to land. Not exactly the sort of thing that cries "evidence of happy Iraqis!"

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Also, Newsweek and the NY Times covered the story. I know the SF Chronicle is working on a piece as well.

Update: The picture was taken from the Rashid Hotel in the Green Zone. All safe and cozy. Too bad Kaloogian couldn't get out to where real people lived to snap his pictures of happy and safe Iraqis.

This picture was apparently taken last year, and one of the buildings in that picture has been bombed to pieces.

Update: An emailer pulled out the image's meta data and we know that it was taken by a Minolta camera, cropped/edited with Photoshop Elements, and, most importantly, that the picture was taken on July 13, 2005.

This is an old picture.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:43 PM PST.

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  •  No plumes of smoke... (4+ / 0-)
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    Timroff, enough, anthonyLA, reid fan

    Just a general haze of vaporized high explosives and gasoline...

    •  Chickenshit (18+ / 0-)

      Thats what he is.  This picture is either from the roof of the Palace or the Al Rashid - Deep in the Green Zone.  He probably never left.  I will compare it to some of my own pics to see if I can match it up but I left in 2003.  The blue and white things are the Higher than the Berlin Wall barriers we put up to protect ouselves.  Also, the use of a picture with an Active Duty service member on his political site is a violation of the Hatch Act and can get the General Officer in Big Trouble.

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:50:01 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  make a diary (4+ / 0-)
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        pointing that out if one isn't already up.  put the picture and the relevent copies of the hatch act into it.  I didn't know this.

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        by FleetAdmiralJ on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:55:18 PM PST

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        •  reading parts of the act (4+ / 0-)
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          or at least a summary of it, it appears the revelent parts are:

          These federal and D.C. employees may not-

          engage in political activity while:

          • on duty
          • in a government office
          • wearing an official uniform
          • using a government vehicle

          I guess it's a question of whether posing with a congressional candidate constitutes "engaging in political activity," since the officer is obviously in uniform.

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          by FleetAdmiralJ on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:08:35 PM PST

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          •  Its prohibited (4+ / 0-)
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            Once the person is elected, photos can be used as long as they are on the official .gov site.  This is on a .com that is part of a paid political activity and is therefor BAD.

            To be clear - it bad for the General, not the Chickenhawk.  What it shows is that not only is the chickenhawk a whimp and a jock sniffer but that he is willing to place the carrer of a fine American at risk for his own gain.

            It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

            by ksuwildkat on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:13:24 PM PST

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            •  and what about (3+ / 0-)
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              The photo of Kaloogian supposedly at a CENTCOMM meeting. Is that as important as it sounds? If so, why was he there?!? He wasn't even a current state assemblyman then, much less some kind of congressman or Senator that you assume has some security clearances and whatnot.

              Francine Busby for Congress! (CA-50)

              by reid fan on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:17:38 PM PST

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              •  Do you mean... (9+ / 0-)

                ...the picture of him in Florida, even though its location on his website is under, "photographs from Iraq"?  

                Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

                by Barbara Morrill on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:19:10 PM PST

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              •  Also a violation (8+ / 0-)

                Not of the law but of being a good person.  He was given the briefing as part of a group doing good things for soldiers iin the theater, not as someone running for office.  CENTCOM PAO would never have approved of a photo being used in a political ad.

                And yeah, I hope someone from his campagin is listening.  

                Chickenhawk - Someone brave enought to send others to die but not willing to do the same.

                Jock Sniffer - Someone who hangs out with the big boys but doesnt play on the team.

                Not seeing any mention of military service on that Bio.  Not saying it a requiement for holding office but its should be one from PRETENDING you are "there for the troops."

                Oh wait - he has an endorsement on his web site from a Reserve Officer with his photo in uniform.  Tisk tisk, another violation of the Hatch Act.

                http://www.kaloogianforcongress.com/...

                Jock Sniffer.........

                It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

                by ksuwildkat on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:29:40 PM PST

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              •  kos' first link of the Kahooligan (2+ / 0-)
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                has a picture that is actually from the Move America Forward site, which contains this info:

                Sunday, July 10, 2005
                Photos From CENTCOM BBQ

                On Friday, Move America Forward along with Stafford Hospitality, through a “Thank You BBQ” for U.S. Central Command and troops stationed at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Florida.  Over 600 members of the U.S. Central Command and troops based at MacDill Air Force Base attended the BBQ.

                Here are some of the photo highlights from this event…

                Move America Forward Co-Chairman, Howard Kaloogian (left), along with the #2 official of the U.S. Central Command, Brigadier General John Custer [Intelligence Director] (center):

                Our heroes of the U.S. Armed Forces getting a well-deserved “Thank You” - in the form of delicious BBQ:

                "(Cheney) shot a 78-year-old man in the face. Congratulations Mister Vice President, you are now a Crip." - Jimmy Kimmel

                by Timroff on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 06:34:50 AM PST

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          •  Web Site Changed (2+ / 0-)
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            All the "Iraq" pictures are now gone and we are down to just two pictures of Jocksniffer with to Army General Officers - placing them in violation of the Hatch Act.

            I hope semeone got a screen shot of the old site last night.  I just got one of todays version.

            It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

            by ksuwildkat on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 06:35:35 AM PST

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            •  my comment directly above yours (2+ / 0-)
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              has one of the photos you mention, from their original source at Move America Forward. Note that they are taken at a BBQ in Florida...

              "(Cheney) shot a 78-year-old man in the face. Congratulations Mister Vice President, you are now a Crip." - Jimmy Kimmel

              by Timroff on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 06:39:02 AM PST

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            •  Web Site TOAST!!! (1+ / 0-)
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              Oh I can barely contain myself.  His website is completely jacked now and has been assimilated by silverdollar1.com

              I am working on screen shots!!!

              It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

              by ksuwildkat on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 06:43:14 AM PST

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              •  Screen Shots (1+ / 0-)
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                OK, the site is toast.

                I have the screen shots but I dont have a way to post them.  Ill put them away for safe keeping for now.

                It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

                by ksuwildkat on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 07:04:43 AM PST

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                •  imageshack.us (0+ / 0-)

                  Is easy to use (link). They will copy images to their servers and host them for you for free. If you post it here, for sure use a thumbnail since they will be large files. (when your image is uploaded, they give you a bunch of different code snippets for different uses like thumbnail, big, small, website, blog comment, ...)

                  Francine Busby for Congress! (CA-50)

                  by reid fan on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 07:20:27 AM PST

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                  •  UT's story is up now - on the front page (1+ / 0-)
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                    Link here. It's typical UT, meaning that it's slanted conservative, but it's up there. Good work to AnthonyLA for noticing this and getting this story on the map!!!

                    "Poverty or wealth can make all the differences in securing the substance or only the shadow of constitutional protections." -Wiley Rutlidge

                    by asimbagirl on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 08:18:20 AM PST

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                    •  also (0+ / 0-)

                      Here's the NC Times story (I like this one better) and KLSD is going off on it - this after going after County Supervisor Bill Horn. San Diego Repugs just make it so bloody easy!

                      "Poverty or wealth can make all the differences in securing the substance or only the shadow of constitutional protections." -Wiley Rutlidge

                      by asimbagirl on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 08:57:37 AM PST

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            •  Seems to me ... (0+ / 0-)

              that if the photo was from their official duties and that they did not ask / tell him to post it for political reasons, the military personnel (generals or otherwise) are not at fault.

              The violation is if

              •  They show up at a political event in uniform expressing support for a candidate ...
              •  They identify themselves as military personnel (in photo in uniform or in words) in stating any public support for a candidate (and that public support is a violation but clear line crossing if associated with their status as military personnel / Federal employees)

              Stand ready to be corrected, but Kaloogian's posting of his 'see, I'm a ChickenHawk' photos with military personnel in them is not a violation of the Hatch Act.

              9/11/05, Day 1469, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

              by besieged by bush on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 12:48:22 PM PST

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      •  See Londonbear's diary (0+ / 0-)

        It's probably from the AL-Rashid hotel.

        •  Al Rashid (2+ / 0-)
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          Others have already done the heavy lifting and its the Al Rashid.  I figured it had to be because of the high angle - The Al Rashid wsa the tallest building in the Green Zone and the closest to the not green zone.

          On a lighter note - the bar and disco at the AR were like a time capsule from the early 80s  when we decided Saddam was no longer our friend.  The main bar was all black and crome with the mirrors that had been "marbalized" to make it look like they we made of stone.  The disco was all red with a Saturday night live style floor and a HUGE disco ball.  All fun and games until some CA ass hole got drunk and decided to mess with a tiger at the zoo and got his arm mauled before he shot the tiger.  After that we got dry as a West Texas Bible town.

          It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

          by ksuwildkat on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:06:05 PM PST

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        •  Here's a Google Earth snapshot of the (0+ / 0-)

          ...location he took the photo from:
          http://tinyurl.com/...
          Is that the hotel you speak of? (it looks like a VERY SAFE ZONE)

          Here is a similar view of the actual photo:
          http://tinyurl.com/...
          This is the police station, no?

      •  But, but... (11+ / 0-)

        He can't post any photos that show identifiable locations, says he.  I mean, if he did that, that would make that location a target for insurgents... uhm... which I guess means  that according to him the streets of Bagdad are safe unless a photograph of them appears online.  See?  No problem there!  :-/

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        by skids on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:00:25 PM PST

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      •  Wasn't his campaign announcement in Iraq? (2+ / 0-)
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        On a road in Baghdad ?  Since they were accompanied by the military wouldn't that be part of a 'military operation'?  Wonder if any troops were in the picture of that?
    •  Site back up, more violations (0+ / 0-)

      I know this is off the main page now but the Chickenhawk has his site back up and he not only failed to remove pictures of himself with active duty soldiers but he even has a TV ad with them:

      http://pointers.audiovideoweb.com/...

      Jocksniffers like him have no shame in using the people they claim to support.  I hope someone from his office is reading this because I am going to refer his site to the CENTCOM JAG for violations of the Hatch Act.  The use of images of active duty soldiers in general and General Officers in particular for political purposes is a clear violation of the act.

      Get it through your thick head - we serve the people, not a party.  I have served under 3 Republicans and one Democrat and my subordinates, peers and superiours would not be able to tell you what my political feelings are because they have no placce in our line of work.  Our only axe to grind is the Nations and our duty is to the Constitution.

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 02:49:11 PM PST

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  •  I just got an email from Busby's campaign manager (19+ / 0-)

    They are stoked that we broke this story.  Great email.  Remember to throw her some scrilla...

    http://actblue.com/...

  •  our message has to be: (13+ / 0-)

    Republicans lie. Furthermore, they lie because the truth simply does not support their arguments.

    These aren't little mixups in a story that is for the most part true. Their arguments rest on lies, because there is nothing else for them to rest on. Iraq calm and peaceful?! This isn't just about one (now 2!) pics.

    Francine Busby for Congress! (CA-50)

    by reid fan on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:41:16 PM PST

    •  The Truth??? You Can't Handle the Truth!!! (2+ / 0-)
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      •  apparently republicans can't (0+ / 0-)

        like what albright said today, they bathe in mutual-denial i think.

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        by FleetAdmiralJ on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:43:47 PM PST

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        •  Cognitive dissonance? (0+ / 0-)

          Nah...  Just a bunch of fuckin' liars.

          •  i'm not sure (1+ / 0-)
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            i hesitate to believe that anyone could be so...corrupt as to lie this much and that the explanation is some sort of psychological need to be right that overrides all other logic and evidence, but I have my doubts about that, considering that this psychological condition appears to have infected most of the republican party.

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            by FleetAdmiralJ on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:47:20 PM PST

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      •  OT but (1+ / 0-)
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        have you ever seen a right-winger parrot that quote? The strange glow that comes to their eyes? Funny and spooky.

        Some of them know the whole speech by heart, and some of them, I swear, are unaware that it's from a Rob Reiner movie. They certainly don't regard Colonel Jessup as the villain; the speech is a good example of their view that authority figures with important responsibilities (i.e. Bush) can do whatever they please.

        If I worry about the future, will the future change?--Quai Chang Caine

        by Enjoy Every Sandwich on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 06:45:38 AM PST

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    •  My grandfather had a saying about folks like... (11+ / 0-)

      Koolaidagain.

      "Folks like him would climb to the top of the tallest tree around just to tell a lie, when they could stand flat-footed on the ground and tell the truth!"

      Had enough? I KNOW I HAVE!

    •  Republicans, especially Kaloogian, are LIARS! (8+ / 0-)

      This quote taken from Kaloogian's webiste (actually vie the Booman Tribune, so I don't have to feel dirty after visiting Kaloogian's site directly).

      Iraq (including Baghdad) is much more calm and stable than what many people believe it to be.  But, each day the news media finds any violence occurring in the country and screams and shouts about it - in part because many journalists are opposed to the U.S. effort to fight terrorism.

      Remember to point out the most obvious irony of this whole affair.  Republicans are claiming the media isn't reporting the true picture in Iraq.  And yet Kaloogian had to OUTRIGHT LIE about how stable Iraq really is.


      If Kaloogian lied about the picture, that's bad enough.  But look at the context of his lie.  When Kaloogian lies about the picture, and simultaneously chastises the media for not reporting truthfully about Iraq, then he's revealed himself to be the worst kind of low-life worthless lying sack of shit!  Ya think I'm being too harsh?

      Get your Free Mac Mini, you know you want one.

      by Bush B Gone on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:24:02 PM PST

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    •  I say that all the time :) (0+ / 0-)

      The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

      by NYC Sophia on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 05:20:59 AM PST

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    •  The upside to that (0+ / 0-)

      is that that is how they will do themselves in.

      They have used lies and manipulation their whole lives to avoid doing real work, so they lack the skills to get themselves out of this.

      Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom.... Tao de Ching

      by MyName on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 08:13:47 AM PST

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      •  It's not that (0+ / 0-)

        it's that they absolutely CANNOT admit they lied, or that they made a mistake. They just can't do it.

        Nor can they apologize, because that admits they did something wrong, and that it's their fault.

        Most people outgrow that type of behavior by age 5. Not this bunch.

  •  the blogs flex their muscles once again... (4+ / 0-)

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    by FleetAdmiralJ on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:41:45 PM PST

  •  Markos (8+ / 0-)

    LondonBear uses compelling satellite imagery to pretty much prove that the image was taken from the Rashid Hotel in the Green Zone.  I don't think taking a picture from the Green Zone is a representative way to portray the security situation in Iraq.  

    And then there is some question of whether even this picture was taken on his recent trip.

    •  He also posted a DailyKos Diary (3+ / 0-)
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      "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right." - Salvor Hardin

      by Zackpunk on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:52:44 PM PST

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    •  Security (0+ / 0-)

      "I don't think taking a picture from the Green Zone is a representative way to portray the security situation in Iraq."
      You are missing the point.  This is a very good statement of the security situation in Iraq.  Kaloogian wasn't allowed to leave the "Green Zone" because it wasn't safe for him to do so.

      I've often wondered why pictures of Fallujah haven't been taken with digital cameras by Iraqi's and published over the internet.  It would be interesting to see what Bush and all our Billions have accomplished there in 'rebuilding' Iraq.

  •  I have seen several (4+ / 0-)
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    diaries here, at BooMan, and over at Marshall's TPM wherein it is pretty well documented that this is a photo taken from the Rashid Hotel...

    Not only that but there is some evidence that it was taken last year AND that the building in the picture has been subsequently bombed to shit.

    Heh.

    The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

    by RedDan on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:45:12 PM PST

    •  any chance (3+ / 0-)
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      of getting an "after" photo from the same vantage point?  Anyone got contacts at the hotel?

      Impeach Gary Bettman

      by Edanger6 on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:05:59 PM PST

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      •  Found this from WaPo (5+ / 0-)
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        While looking for the photos that just were updated above the fold...

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

        On our first trip, in mid-September 2003, the State Department entourage and diplomatic press corps stayed for two full nights at the legendary al Rashid Hotel, the high-rise once heavily bugged by Saddam Hussein's security goons. Iraqi vendors in the hotel arcade sold military paraphernalia and souvenirs from the old regime. Medals that Hussein once bestowed on his troops went for 10 bucks -- or less, if you bargained enough.

        Back then, we could tool around the Iraqi capital. With a New York Times colleague, I walked through the concrete barriers down the lonely lane that linked the protected Green Zone to the rest of Baghdad. U.S. troops stationed along the route didn't stop us.

        snip

        My second trip to Baghdad, on July 30, 2004, some 15 months after the fall of the city, was a secret. This time, the press corps traveling with Powell couldn't report it until after we'd landed.

        We traveled from the airport to the Green Zone in Black Hawk helicopters, with U.S. troops perched in open windows on both sides manning machine guns that fire as many as 4,000 rounds per minute.

        The route was so dangerous that we were all given flak jackets and helmets for the short trip.

        This time, we didn't stay even one night. The al Rashid had come under rocket fire in October 2003, when then-Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz was visiting. The attack had killed one American soldier and wounded 15 other people.

        The hotel was off-limits even for journalists traveling with Powell. When I pressed the case, a diplomat offered to escort me through a new barricade between the convention center and the hotel, which was just across the street. Unfortunately, she didn't have clearance for the hotel. I didn't get in.

        This time, Powell's bubble -- and ours -- was much smaller. America's top diplomat didn't leave the Green Zone and U.S. security wouldn't let the press out, either. I did manage to travel inside the four-square-mile zone with then-Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih to his residence.

        snip

        My latest trip to Iraq, on Nov. 11, 31 months after the fall of the capital, was kept secret even from some of the people on Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's plane. The dozen members of the traveling press were summoned to the State Department the day before we left on a trip to the Middle East and sworn to secrecy after a briefing about the additional stop.

        We could tell an editor and a family member, but we were asked not to mention it to anyone else, particularly our bureaus in the Iraqi capital -- and not on the phone or by e-mail to anyone, at all, anywhere. If word got out, the trip would be canceled. A leak had forced the postponement of a similar trip in the spring.

        The road between the airport and the Green Zone was officially considered safer, but we still flew in armed Black Hawks moving in diversionary patterns through the sky.

        On this latest trip to Baghdad, the bubble shrank even more. No roaming the Green Zone. Not even a stop at the convention center. The press corps, including veteran war correspondents, was sequestered in Hussein's old palace for most of the seven-hour stay. We were discouraged from wandering the palace and were provided escorts to go to the bathroom.

        Our one venture out was a short hop to the nearby prime minister's office, also in the Green Zone. All we saw were new barricades trimmed with razor wire, concrete blast walls, roadblocks and time-consuming identity checks. No Iraqis. No vendors. In October 2004, the bazaar had been attacked, one of two almost simultaneous suicide bombings inside the Green Zone that together killed 10, including four Americans.

        Impeach Gary Bettman

        by Edanger6 on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:38:06 PM PST

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        •  I was there (10+ / 0-)

          for Powells first trip in September.  His security detail just gave up when he got mobbed by hundreds of active duty soldiers - all armed to the tooth.  He gave a short talk and thanked us all and said how great it was to be away from Washington and back with "my people" meaning soldiers.  It reminded me of the scene in Galdiator - He ws clearly still "Our" General and we would have done anything he said.

          I was in transit when the AR was hit, killing my friend LTC Charles Buehring.  http://www.defenselink.mil/...

          One of the Camps is now named after him.

          It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

          by ksuwildkat on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 12:03:58 AM PST

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    •  TPM (1+ / 0-)
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      His last post is a request for any information on where the picture was taken from.  

      Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

      by Barbara Morrill on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:11:55 PM PST

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  •  The picture doesn't matter (3+ / 0-)

    to the Republicans' target audience. All that matters is the caption, and the lie it contains. As long as the place looks foreign enough.

    "I know it's hard to defend an unpopular policy every once in a while . . ." -- FZ

    by BobzCat on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:46:35 PM PST

  •  Blame it on Saddam (0+ / 0-)

    In the unlikely event that Iraq isnt as rosy as they claim, President Bush tried blaming the media, didnt seem to work...so, now, he's picked an easier target: Saddam. Blame Saddam and all will be well. Well not quite, here's my take on why this strategy is actually an admission of failure.

  •  The NYT credited Josh Marshall (6+ / 0-)

    Can't they get anything right? If they just read his blog they'd know who to credit.

    The unraveling of the error began on the Web log of Joshua M. Marshall (www.talkingpointsmemo.com) and a related site, www.TPMmuckraker.com.

    From Josh's site:

    Okay, this is good for a laugh on a slow news night.

    (And just to be clear, I'm a little late to this party. Will Bunch, a diarist at Kos's site and another at DU are already all over it.)

  •  Awesome! (4+ / 0-)
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    MyName, Edanger6, AnonymousArmy, lgmcp

    I'm just amazed that somebody was able to find a picture on the internet of the same intersection in some city somewhere in Turkey half way around the world. This is the power of the internet and the power of active people doing fact checking.

    The other approach would have been to post that phoney picture on a turkish message board somewhere and see if anybody recognized this neighborhood. But for somebody to find something on their own and have the ability to recognize that it actually is the same neighborhood is amazing. Looking at the two pictures it's not that obvious that they are the same.

    Bravo!

    •  There was an assist... (4+ / 0-)
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      meg, peraspera, MyName, enough

      UPDATE: Credit where credit is due. This was mentioned in Anthony's thread but it bears repeating. The spot was recognized by a friend in Istanbul from Kaloogian's photo. She emailed the information that it was Istanbul Caddesi in Bakirkoy. Once I had that, it took about a 5 minute google search to find this photo.

      It's still on the recommend list.

      •  Well... (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        mmacdDE, MyName, curtadams

        this is still really great and the netroots with the help of bloggers in Turkey helped expose an obvious deception. For Kaloogian to say it was an honest mistake is crap!

        Kaloogian only posted 5 or so pics on his site and this is the most important job he has right now -> running his congressional campaign. If he mistakes like this then it's just another indication that he's unfit for Congress.

        You can imagine how even 10 years (hell maybe even 2 years) ago this intentional propaganda would have gone unchecked.

    •  actually, it was (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      hhex65, Donna in Rome, npbeachfun, lgmcp

      from the power of...

      gasp, human relationships.

      i think a blogger knew or contacted another blogger at at turkish website.

      the person lived in istanbul and went out and photographed the area.

      such is my understanding.

      mix and match baby... bloggers break free of the box and bust ass!

  •  Did you catch the Raw Story (5+ / 0-)

    article on another of her opponents... Bilbray, I think (Furby? Furray?)...

    He's in, up to his eyeballs, in some sewage treatment deal...

    Influence peddling

    What a bunch of smelly republicans!

  •  The guy never got off the base. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    enough, lgmcp

    goodbye.

    go home.

    loser.

    yeah. look at what? the blue buildings? the factory? that looks like a shithole of a blade runner future and it's every reason why any american with any sense wouldn't want anything to do with the republican version of what our future should look like.

  •  The all-seeing Eye of Kos sees all, knows all (13+ / 0-)

    Let all Mordor tremble!

    "It's not selling out if you don't get paid, okay? We're not whores. When you do it for free, that's just slutty." -Wonkette -6.38/ -4.21

    by wonkydonkey on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:52:45 PM PST

  •  Kaloogian on Channel 8 San Diego (10+ / 0-)

    but the story was very brief. I am hoping to see something more interesting in the newspapers tomorrow.  I wasas looking at the announcement of the Truth Tour  in the NorthCounty Times. Here's the money quote:

    Much of the trip in Iraq will be centered in and around Baghdad with the talk show hosts reporting the positive developments in stabilization and rebuilding efforts that Kaloogian contended are largely ignored in mainstream media reports.

    "The impression most people have on the streets of San Diego is that car bombs are the norm when in fact they aren't," Kaloogian said. "Detroit is arguably a more dangerous place than Iraq."

    •  sheesh (4+ / 0-)

      Fantasy Poll:  Would you rather be stationed in Iraq or Detroit?

      I'll take my chances on the mean streets of the Motor City - 100%

      Are you crazy? - anywhere but Hockeytown - 0%

      Impeach Gary Bettman

      by Edanger6 on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:14:49 PM PST

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    •  contact info for channel 8 -- (1+ / 0-)
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      reid fan

      call or email and ask wtf were saying about Kaloogian?

      KFMB 8 CBS affiliate. http://www.kfmb.com

      I listed other stations that serve the CA-50 market in my diary http://www.dailykos.com/...

      "pulp is fiction, blogs are hope, long live electricity"

      by dash888 on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 12:08:11 AM PST

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    •  There are IED's in Detroit??? (0+ / 0-)

      I suppose Death Squads, sectarian violence, roadside bombs, Apache gunships and mortar rounds are all a part of everyday Michigan life now.

      What a wanker.

      Where are we going and what am I doing in this handbasket?

      by Kira April on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 04:11:08 AM PST

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    •  San Diego Union Tribune story (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Shotput8, kurt

      The UT has been running articles about the candidates who are running for Duke's vacated congresional seat. Today was Kaloogian's turn. The article described Kaloogian as a brash, ineffectual, "in your face partisan".  

      Also on the front page of the North County section was a companion article,
      "Photo by candidate not taken in Baghdad" written by Bill Ainsworth.  

      During his congressional campaign, Howard Kaloogian has portrayed himself as an aggressive conservative willing to go the extra mile, or in this case, 7,000 miles, to show that the war in Iraq is going well.

      But a funny thing happened on the way back from Baghdad – at least according to Kaloogian: His group stopped in Istanbul, their pictures got confused and now he's at the center of a national Internet photo scandal.

      Kaloogian's explanation that it was an innocent mix-up isn't being bought by bloggers across the nation who uncovered the bogus photo.

      Some of them believe he's guilty of what he's accused the mainstream media of doing: slanting the news to fit his own beliefs.

      The article included a picture of the captured website from TPM and a couple of quotes from Josh Marshall

      Joshua Marshall, operator of a center/left blog called Talking Points Memo, said the incident undermines Kaloogian's view that the mainstream media isn't telling the truth and needs correcting from conservatives.

      “He's saying, 'Believe me, I've been there.' But it makes him seem like a joke,” Marshall said.

      The incident shows the strength of bloggers, he said. “It shows the amazing power of distributed journalism, where you get a few hundred people researching this at the same time and someone comes up with the answer right away,” Marshall said.

      Apparently this photo incident is not Kaloogian's only integrity lapse.

      Last month, Matt Rexroad, a Sacramento Republican consultant who operates a blog called Cal Races, criticized Kaloogian for inaccurately listing an endorsement from the California Pro-Life Council.

      Kaloogian, in an interview, admitted that the California Pro-Life Council had not endorsed him and he removed the endorsement listing

      Does Kaloogian really love the troops or is he just using them as props ?

      Rexroad, who served in the Army in Iraq, also blasted Kaloogian, saying he announced his candidacy on the road from Baghdad to Kuwait City.

      “As someone that has driven that highway many times – the last thing you need to be doing along that stretch of Iraq is announcing your candidacy for Congress. Keep your eyes open and your head on a swivel. The military personnel protecting him weren't there as security for his little mobile press conference,” Rexroad wrote.

      Kaloogian said he announced his candidacy from his hotel.

      His hotel? There you have it. Kaloogian was staying at a hotel while the journalists props he brought with were sleeping in tents at Camp Victory.

      Did I mention that it was a NONPROFIT organization called Move America Forward that sponsored this political stunt?

    •  That just disgusts me. (1+ / 0-)
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      Lisa

      and shows me that the "Honorable Howard Kaloogian" is nothing but a racist bastard.  In addition to being a liar and a fraud, he has to insult Detroiters and the people of Michigan. Kaloogian is FROM Michigan and knows exactly what he said. I've heard Detroit bashing from people here before and this is classic.  He must have learned it at the feet of L. Brooks Patterson.  Nothing but a racist pig.  Totally disgusting.

      "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness." Mark Twain

      by dougymi on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 07:50:55 AM PST

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  •  Kaloogian must think the trees look happy (3+ / 0-)
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    Possible caption:

    "the trees of Baghdad stand in proud salute to the wonderful job done by American occupying forces, and shake their leaves in arborial gratitude to the President of the United States for restoring 'freedom' to Iraq".

    Personally - I think those trees are UP to something....

    •  As long as they're not aspens... (0+ / 0-)

      then you can't trust them for sure.
      They could turn in an instant.

      "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

      by Donna in Rome on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 07:19:38 AM PST

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  •  This is the picture they took down (5+ / 0-)
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    Lisa, meg, 313to212, reid fan, Bill O Rights

    BEFORE they posted the picture taken in Turkey

    My spring break trip to Baghdad<small>1</small> which is like, way safe







    <small>1 Actually I was so wasted I don't really remember where we were, dudez! But Bush rocks! Like, totally!</small>

  •  Did you catch this in the caption??? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    But, each day the news media finds any violence occurring in the country and screams and shouts about it - in part because many journalists are opposed to the U.S. effort to fight terrorism.

    I suppose then it would be fair to say that wingnuts like Kaloogian drape Bush's scrotum across the bridge of their nose, find any tranquility occurring in the country and scream and shout about it because they don't give a fuck about the American soldiers who are dying...

    Yeah... that sounds about right...

    George W. Bush... wiretapping the Amish since 2001...

    by ThatSinger on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:12:46 PM PST

  •  liar liar pants on fire (0+ / 0-)

    Let me get this straight; he just said he was there and that this was a picture from his trip.  But it isn't, it is a picture over a year old.  Worse, he's using it to show a model of stability -- when one of the buildings in the picture doesn't exist anymore.   This is just... stupidly funny.

  •  In the meantime... (5+ / 0-)
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    NYC Sophia, 313to212, curtadams, reid fan, kurt

    Busby's other opponent, Brian Bilbray, has turned out to be ethically challenged.

    The Bajagua Project is a proposed secondary waste water treatment plant to be located in Mexico just across the border from the San Diego region. The project, a public-private proposition is to be built and managed by a private company that will charge the United States government under a fee-for-services contract. The estimated profit generated by the project for the 20-year span of the lease is at least $600 million, and possibly up to a billion dollars. The project has been mired in controversy, accusations of corruption and undue political influence, as well as being challenged on the claim that it will solve the persistent and long-standing waste water problems that affect the Tijuana Estuary. Bajagua Project, LLC., the company that has been pushed by politicians for the last decade, was created solely to get the Tijuana plant contract, and federal legislation seems to allow the contract to be let without competitive bid and through sole source. These types of contracts are frequently the result of corruption, and that is the main reason competitive bidding is the mandated method of procurement in the federal government; sole source agreements do not provide the protection to taxpayer dollars that competitive bid contracts do. Sole source contracting invites influence peddling, which is the case with the Bajagua Project. And it has recently been made public that Bajagua had at least two meetings with Vice President Richard Cheney. Communications to Cheney from Bajagua show a fawning obsequiousness and efforts to convince Cheney to use the Office of Vice President to achieve Bajagua goals. Those efforts appear to have bore fruit, since after these meetings strong pressure was placed on the IBWC by the Department of Justice and the Council on Environmental Quality to give Bjagua the contract. All along, politicians and others influenced by money insisted that Bajagua receive the contract.

    Some politicians who have aggressively supported Bajagua are Randall "Duke" Cunningham (R-California), Bob Filner (D-California), Brian Bilbray (R-California) and Duncan Hunter (R-California). Filner and Hunter are still members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Cunningham lost his seat in the House after pleading guilty to accepting $2.4 million in bribes from defense contractors for strong-arming Departement of Defense procurement personnel into steering contracts in the direction of the bribing companies. As we document below, Cunningham engaged in similar behavior concerning the Bajagua Project by trying to coerce personnel in the International Boundary and Water Commission into giving Bajagua LLC, the Tijuana project. And Brian Bilbray, just a few months after being voted out of his House seat in 2000, was on the Bajagua payroll as a lobbyist.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang separately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 12:00:15 AM PST

    •  More stinging indictment (0+ / 0-)

      The more stinging indictiment cited in your article is against the Dem congressman, Bob Filner. Watch for this to surface later. Could be a disappointing discovery for us. Not to say Bilbray isn't the corrupt worm you intimate. I believe he is.

  •  Is Turkey the only islamic country... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    enough, lgmcp

     ...where hand-holding and shoulders uncovered would be allowed? Why didn't Mr.K figure it out himself, being such an experienced traveler?
     ***** 5 stars for all involved in the succesful get.

  •  My blue heaven (1+ / 0-)
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    TalkieToaster

    Oh YES! Now is see.  It looks so lovely and peaceful.  See!  The media never gets the story right.

  •  has ms. ingraham seen this? (3+ / 0-)
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    NYC Sophia, Shotput8, reid fan

    After all the attention this has brought to Kaloogian and his Truthiness Tour, out of the thousands of photos he said were taken, they couldn't find one single photo of the actual streets of Baghdad?  Not one single photo of Kaloogian speaking to an actual Iraqi?  And instead they put up some lame photo any tourist could have taken from a hotel balcony?

    Not one single photo of Mr. K "actually [having] a conversation with the people instead of reporting from hotel balconies", as Laura Ingraham put it?

    •  And indeed (0+ / 0-)

      an image which underlines the message which Kaloogian is trying to obscure, both as a single photo and when juxtaposed with the other images from  the same area on the same day.. This is just too precious.

      The rainbow… ended right behind the balcony. A clear signal that freedom is powerful. - G.W.Bush

      by LodinLepp on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 01:15:47 AM PST

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  •  This guy isn't even a competent liar. (4+ / 0-)

    So the second attempt to show us that the media isn't giving us the true picture in Iraq, is a year old, too far away to see anybody, of the Green Zone, and has a building that's since been destroyed.

    Now that's lousy lying. And being busy isn't a good excuse. If you want to lead, you have to be able to delegate; and he isn't even delegating to good liars.

    "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

    by jbeach on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 01:39:47 AM PST

  •  This is like shooting stock quail (0+ / 0-)

    Kaloogian is so stupid.  It almost seems like it's not fair.

    Heck with that.  It's just too much fun.

  •  It is misleading (0+ / 0-)

    It is misleading to use a picture that is 8 months old (July 2005) to demonstrate that things are "calm" and "stable" in Iraq in March 2006.

  •  The good news from Iraq... (3+ / 0-)
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    No one can blame the media for not reporting the "good news" coming from Iraq now...the problem is that it's lies made up by ideologues posting phony photos then replacing them with balcony shots but only when they get caught.

    Keep turning the light on these cockroaches. PLEASE!!!

    Excellent work.

  •  Taken from the Rashid Hotel? (2+ / 0-)
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    ksuwildkat, NYC Sophia

    cough Laura Ingraham cough

    Ingraham: "Yeah. David, David to do a show from Iraq means to talk to the Iraqi military to go out with the Iraqi military, to actually have a conversation with the people instead of reporting from hotel balconies about the latest IEDs going off. It is very difficult in Iraq. People are struggling..."

    Gregory: "And you, and you think Iraq is safe enough to, have you been there long enough to venture outside the hotel balconies?!"

    Ingraham: "David, yes I did. I wasn't in a hotel balcony I was out with the U.S. military and it can be done in any part of the country. It is dangerous in the Sunni triangle..."

    Shorter Laura Ingraham: "Howard [Kaloogian], you're a coward."

    •  That's EXACTLY the interview I was thinking of (0+ / 0-)

      when I saw this newer photo.  Kaloogian and Ingraham are both chicken hawks.

    •  Patrol cancelled? (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Young Freud, NYC Sophia, reid fan, kurt

      Kaloogian announced he wanted to be a hero on this web site:
      http://www.armeniandiaspora.com/...

       
         What will it take to overcome all these challenges? Courage. The Iraqi and Coalition forces have it in abundance. Tomorrow we will test our courage as we go out on patrol.

         ---- Former Assemblyman Howard Kaloogian lives in San Marcos. He is visiting Iraq with a group of radio talk show hosts.

      Obviously, there is no record that it ever happened.
      And now all changed from dangerous to safe.

      •  A bomb hit the Green Zone the next day (3+ / 0-)
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        curtadams, lgmcp, kurt

        According to the timetable presented, the Tour of Truth was in Kuwait on July 13th, 2005, and made it to Baghdad on July 14th, 2005, according to the EXIF data on the photo.

        The next day, July 15th, a suicide bomber blew himself up at a Green Zone checkpoint, killing 1 American soldier and wounding another 3, with at least 5 Iraqs also being injured in the blast.

        I'm pretty sure that spooked the Kaloogian's delegation, cutting short their 10-day trip to 2.

        Amateurs talk strategery, professionals talk logistics

        by Young Freud on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 05:45:38 AM PST

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        •  Sorry, wrong link (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          reid fan

          here it is again:
          http://www.armeniandiaspora.com/...
          I don't understand the timetable from this website. Did he write the letter from Kuwait or Iraq on 12th, 13th or 14th of July?

          •  The EXIF data on the photo (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            heinrich

            The EXIF date is set to July 13th, but is also set on California time, so it's actually July 14th in Iraq. As said, from the angle, it's from the Al-Rashid hotel. But yeah, you're right. I see at least three dates on there on that page.

            My best guess would be that it was probably written July 12th, Californian time, meaning it was really July 13th, Baghdad time. The July 13th date in the URL looks like the date it was printed in the North County Times. The July 14th date looks like the date it was posted to the Armenian Diaspora site.

            It's likely that they where in Kuwait and travelled to Baghdad on July 13th. They probably met the General at the airport or a quick get-together in the Green Zone. July 14th was going to be the first full day in Iraq. Then, July 15th, the combined bombing and mortar attack on the Green Zone occurred. My guess is that they either they spent the whole day trying to arrange a flight back home or they booked the next flight out of Baghdad the same day.

            Amateurs talk strategery, professionals talk logistics

            by Young Freud on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 07:43:56 AM PST

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  •  One small, minor question... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pescadero Bill
    why the hell is the Baghdad Police Station painted up to be reminiscent of the Israeli national flag?

    I've heard of painting detention/jail cells pink, in order to calm the "clients" in a psycho-enviro sort of way, but one wonders why the building looks like a tallit (the blue stripey part of the official flag of Israel).
    I would have at least thought a nice, red, black, and green stripe would be in order, not the colors of the regional arch-rival.

    All that is needed is a Magen David slapped on the side of the structure and the motif is complete.

    Are all the police stations in Iraq painted this way? Why provoke?

    People in Eurasia on the brink of oppression: I hope it's gonna be alright... Pet Shop Boys: Introspective

    by rgilly on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 03:56:54 AM PST

  •  Reality (4+ / 0-)
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    terrypinder, Shotput8, Matt O, kurt

    Brad Maaske, on Blogs for Bush, describes an outing into the Red Zone during "The Truth Tour".  The entourage was escorted by Iraqi Army as well as US forces.  He describes the fresh out of training Iraqi troops to be "more like 13 year-olds" than professional soldiers.  The Iraqi troop transport broke down and the US troops had to stay to make sure THE IRAQI TROOPS would be safe in Baghdad.

    So, Baghdad is so safe, even Iraqi soldiers need an escort.

  •  SF Chronical Article Mentions Kos (5+ / 0-)

    Early yesterday when I first saw this story breaking here, I wrote Carla Marinucci, at the SF Chronicle and sent all the excellent evidence folks had assembled.  Here is her article:

    http://www.sfgate.com/...

    She asked "what group would like to comment" so I directed her to the Kos feedback page since this is where I thought much of the story broke.  Seems like as Dems we would do better if the local parties would be quicker to comment on things like this as well.  There always seem to be a zillion right-wing freaks ready to comment on anything but I suggest we all talk to our local county parties and try to improve comment response when something like this occurs in the future.

  •  My letter sent to Hooigan Kallogian (3+ / 0-)

    I just wanted to write you a note to praise you on your campaign.  You’re doing a nice job; a nice job of showing the rest of us why we should NOT elect another republican.  This is just what this country needs, a liar to take over for a crook in CA-50 district.  In typical fashion for republicans you pass the buck, right on down to your webmaster when your lie is exposed.  You try to show us how wonderful Iraq is by posting a photo of Turkey (somewhat ironic being you’re Armenian); then replace it with a long distance, rooftop/mountaintop photo that shows nothing along with a lame excuse.  Smoke and mirrors should be your campaign theme.  Go home and spare us in the rest of the US the possibility of another corrupted, crooked, liar in Congress.  Maybe since you seem to think Iraq is so wonderful and since you want to serve the people you can enlist for a tour there.  If a picture is worth a thousand words, and your original picture says it all then a few months of duty in Iraq should be a cakewalk for you.  You can even take your webmaster with you.

    P.S. don’t even bother responding.  The last thing I need is another dirty politician contacting me for donations.  The mere fact that I wrote you means I’ll have to take another bath to wash away the filth.  Also, next time you feel the need to use a photo to propel your propaganda, take a tip from the masters in the White House and stage it, maybe use a fake turkey instead of the real Turkey.

    -7.38, -5.74 This is your world. These are your people. You can live for yourself today, or help build tomorrow for everyone.

    by DisNoir36 on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 04:34:51 AM PST

  •  What was the casualty count in Iraq... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    reid fan

    ...for the time Koolaid-ian says he was there? How many suicide bombings that week? How many coalitiotn soldiers, or Iraqi soldiers, police or civilians died or were maimed? It seems a little more research is warranted here - he says it was peaceful and calm, let's put the lie to that! Try telling the families of soldiers who died while you sat in your hotel taking photos off the balcony that it was peaceful and calm, you asshole!

    I don't have time to do this now - have to shower and go to work.  Anyone else care to pick this up?  Otherwise, I'll look into it when I get home tonight...

    http://www.pentagon.gov/...

    I liked it better when god spoke to people by burning bushes...

    by AnotherMassachusettsLiberal on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 05:00:20 AM PST

    •  85 - 2.7 per day for July (4+ / 0-)
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      strengthof10kmen, lgmcp, reid fan, kurt

      07/31/05 Carroll, James D. DoD Confirmation
      07/30/05 Scheuerman, Jason D. DoD Confirmation
      07/30/05 Swaney, Robert A. DoD Confirmation
      07/30/05 Jones Sr., David R. DoD Confirmation
      07/30/05 Anderson, Victor A. DoD Confirmation
      07/30/05 Haggin, Jonathon C. DoD Confirmation
      07/30/05 Shelley Sr., Ronnie L. "Rod" DoD Confirmation
      07/29/05 Guerra, Ernesto R. DoD Confirmation
      07/28/05 Williams, Andre L. DoD Confirmation
      07/28/05 Lyons, Christopher P. DoD Confirmation
      07/27/05 Myers, Edward L. DoD Confirmation
      07/27/05 Butler, Adrian J. DoD Confirmation
      07/27/05 Jansky, Benjamin D. DoD Confirmation
      07/27/05 Tollefson, John O. DoD Confirmation
      07/25/05 Harting, Adam J. DoD Confirmation
      07/24/05 Kinlow, James Ondra DoD Confirmation
      07/24/05 Thomas, John Frank DoD Confirmation
      07/24/05 Fuller, Carl Ray DoD Confirmation
      07/24/05 Monzon Jr., Milton M. DoD Confirmation
      07/24/05 Villatoro Jr., Ramon A. DoD Confirmation
      07/24/05 Taylor, Christopher J. DoD Confirmation
      07/24/05 Brunson, Jacques Earl "Gus" DoD Confirmation
      07/24/05 Montefering, Jason W. DoD Confirmation
      07/24/05 Dallas Jr., Ernest W. DoD Confirmation
      07/23/05 Opskar, Bryan James DoD Confirmation
      07/21/05 Youngblood, Travis L. DoD Confirmation
      07/21/05 Gill, Steven P. DoD Confirmation
      07/19/05 Johnson, Lavena L. DoD Confirmation
      07/19/05 Farrow, Jefferey J. DoD Confirmation
      07/19/05 McGill, Arthur R. DoD Confirmation
      07/17/05 Tiai, Frank F. DoD Confirmation
      07/17/05 Williams, Ronnie D. DoD Confirmation
      07/17/05 Sanchez Jr., Efrain DoD Confirmation
      07/16/05 Wood, Ronald T. DoD Confirmation
      07/16/05 Cooper, Travis S. DoD Confirmation
      07/16/05 Pena-Romero, Jorge Luis DoD Confirmation
      07/15/05 Hartley, Jared D. DoD Confirmation
      07/14/05 Hines Jr., Timothy J. DoD Confirmation
      07/14/05 Mounce, Clifton Blake DoD Confirmation
      07/14/05 Jameson, Tricia L. DoD Confirmation
      07/14/05 Winchester, Christopher D. DoD Confirmation
      07/13/05 Yahudah, Benyahmin B. DoD Confirmation
      07/11/05 Sutton, Timothy J. DoD Confirmation
      07/10/05 Goodrich, Joseph P. DoD Confirmation
      07/10/05 Kovacicek, Ryan J. DoD Confirmation
      07/09/05 Bradfield Jr., Hoby F. DoD Confirmation
      07/09/05 Woods, Eric Paul DoD Confirmation
      07/08/05 Cariaga, Deyson K. DoD Confirmation
      07/05/05 Bright, Scottie L. DoD Confirmation
      07/05/05 Mazzarella, Anthony M. DoD Confirmation
      07/05/05 Cambridge, Lyle J. DoD Confirmation
      07/05/05 Dickison, Christopher W. DoD Confirmation
      07/03/05 Montgomery, Ryan J. DoD Confirmation
      07/03/05 Brown, Jeremy

      From California that month:

      Bakersfield       Villatoro Jr., Ramon A.       Private 1st Class 24-July
      Fallbrook          Pena-Romero, Jorge Luis Staff Sergeant        16-Jul
      Long Beach       Guerra, Ernesto R.        Private                29-Jul
      Los Angeles      Monzon Jr., Milton M.       Sergeant                24-Jul

      Im sure he was able to visit the families personally and assure them that despite their loved one being DEAD things were really going well and the media was just not bringing them the good news.  Given they were all from Southern California I am SURE members of his group took the hour or so to drive and vist the families.  

      So Jocksniffing Chickenhawk, what day exactly did you visit the families and deliver the "truth" about Iraq?

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 06:05:34 AM PST

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  •  Bagdhad on the Bosporus (1+ / 0-)
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    Dana Milbank used Kos' diary for his column today in the Washington Post.

    Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

    by mini mum on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 05:08:45 AM PST

    •  Milbank (1+ / 0-)
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      Just curious.  Why did Milbank feel it was necessary to identify Daily Kos as a "liberal" website?  Why not just a website?

      •  Milbank is weird (0+ / 0-)

        Interestingly, he doesn't seem to like Republicans very much but he likes Democrats even less.  Milbank can't seem to get love from either side:  The wingers lump him in with Dan Froomkin as examples of how liberal the Washington Post is and he's been nailed by Media Matters for repeating BushCo talking points as fact.

        Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

        by mini mum on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 06:53:06 AM PST

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  •  Clarity (4+ / 0-)

    There is something really sadly ironic about this whole incident. The point that Koolaidigian and his supporters won't be able to see or will refuse to admit. This picture fiasco is a perfect demonstration of how unsecured Baghdad really is.

    Assuming of course that the original picture and the new picture are actual pictures taken on Kooaidigian's trip and he's not still lying. But think about it, they had what they are calling a short layover in Turkey, and they felt safe and secure enough to venture out from the airport and catch some shopping, go for ice cream, and snap a few pictures. But in Baghdad where they were for days and undoubtedly had military escort wherever they went, the only picture they could find to use was one taken from the safety of their hotel bedroom window deep in the heart of one of the most heavily guarded compounds in the world. And it’s a  picture that is too distant to really see anything anyway.

    Is Koolaidigian really this stupid?

  •  Good News For Republicans Though. . . (2+ / 0-)
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    This new photo does seem to support their contention that the Earth is flat.

    I mean, if the Earth was round then you couldn't construct any buildings. They'd just topple over! Do you see any buildings toppling over in that photo? I sure don't. It's proof!

    Boy, those crazy liberals sure are stupid.

    (End scene)

    I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn -- Ron Burgundy

    by IndyScott on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 06:15:50 AM PST

  •  LA Times drop the ball? (2+ / 0-)
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    This whole thing relates to an important race in California and the LA Times reports...?  Anything at all?  Hello?  Scooped by the NY Times on the other end of the 48 states?

    Maybe they need to hear that there is a story?  You can contact the LA Times here:

    http://www.latimes.com/...

    •  ditto SD U-T (0+ / 0-)

      I'm still looking, but so far I can't find anything in the San Diego Union-Tribune either. And it isn't a matter of "scooped"--they didn't have to read these blogs to find out about it. Several kossacks (at least) wrote them to tip them off. There is also a post about it in the forums on their own web page.

      Francine Busby for Congress! (CA-50)

      by reid fan on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 07:10:47 AM PST

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      •  Ok U-T does have something (1+ / 0-)
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        The top headline in the "North Coast" regional section is "Akin on issues, Kaloogian and Morrow part ways on style" part of a series they've been working on featuring each candidate in the race. Looks like at the last minute they added a sidebar article, "Photo by candidate not taken in Baghdad."

        SACRAMENTO - During his congressional campaign, Howard Kaloogian has portrayed himself as an agressive conservative willing to go the extra mile, or in this case, 7,000 miles, to show that the war in Iraq is going well.

        But a funny thing happened on the way to Baghdad--at least according to Kaloogian: His group stopped in Istanbul, their pictures got confused and now he's at the center of a national Internet photo scandal.
        ...
        Some of them [bloggers] believe he's guilty of what he's accused the mainstream media of doing: slanting the news to fit his own beliefs.
        ...

        Francine Busby for Congress! (CA-50)

        by reid fan on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 08:04:48 AM PST

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      •  UT did a nice article (1+ / 0-)
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        It was on the front page of the North County section.
        See my comments upthread.
        UT advanced the story a bit.
        They got a quote from someone who framed Kaloogian's visit to Iraq as a publicity stunt for announcing his candidacy.  

        Rexroad, who served in the Army in Iraq, also blasted Kaloogian, saying he announced his candidacy on the road from Baghdad to Kuwait City.

        “As someone that has driven that highway many times – the last thing you need to be doing along that stretch of Iraq is announcing your candidacy for Congress. Keep your eyes open and your head on a swivel. The military personnel protecting him weren't there as security for his little mobile press conference,” Rexroad wrote.

        Kaloogian said he announced his candidacy from his hotel.

        That's really showing the troops some love.

        It ought to be noted that Rexroad is supporting Bill Morrow, another right wing candidate who is also running for the Duke's old seat.

  •  Slightly off topic (2+ / 0-)
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    Did anyone else see Hannity and Colmes last night where guest Hugh Hewitt accused the liberal blogosphere of something like "virulent and unfounded vicious lies and attacks against the right"?  He named the DailyKos specifically as an example of a site dedicated to profanity and lies against those poor innocents on the right and compared Markos himself to Larry Flynt for the amount of obscenity and filth he adds to the world.

  •  Interesting Iraq ecclipse story on NPR... (1+ / 0-)
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    Yesterday.  They interviewed people in Iraq about the solar ecclipse, and it was very telling of the frustrations of the people there.  

    A couple of the interviewees were genuinely impressed with the ecclipse and it was nice to hear them be able to put aside the craziness of their current lives for a minute to enjoy a rare occurance.  The others, however, were happy to have the chance to rant to american journalists.  Let's just say they were much more pre-occupied with trying to survive than worry about a silly little solar ecclipse.

    It was frankly refreshing to hear such first hand accounts -- which amazingly (or not, depending on your view of our mainstream media) we don't see and hear in our media.  We see detached pictures of bombings and we hear the words of journalists, but we rarely get a candid slice of Iraq from an Iraqi.  And to think we finally got to experience this in of all things a story about a solar ecclipse.

    That's a sad commentary on our "free" media.  But thanks, NPR, for giving this boy in Ohio a look into the lives of Iraqi people.

    dems4pres

  •  Nice One, Newsweek (1+ / 0-)
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    They seem to have gottent he story exactly right. The PDF showing the original page is a very welcome piece of veritas. Credit where it's due all around.

    This does all make me wonder how much serial lying we don't catch.

    9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

    by NewDirection on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 07:24:53 AM PST

  •  Photo (1+ / 0-)
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    I lived in Iraq in 91-92 and visited again in 2000 and 2003.  During those visits I went into the Rashid Hotel several times.  Back then, you would never have seen the Berlin Wall-style blast walls surrounding all the major boulevards in the neighborhood.  These walls block traffic and insulate the foreigners in the coalition of the [decreasingly] willing from all interaction with Iraqis.  Back in 1991, we were shocked at how out of touch and imperial the Iraqi president at the time was.  Even his government never walled off the neighborhood surrounding the Rashid Hotel and Convention Center -- and this is an old photo, as you've pointed out.

  •  Someone Won But Elsewhere. . . (0+ / 0-)

    The fact that an Armenian-Californian such as Howard Kaloogian and his official delegation could take a photograph in Turkey is someone's idea of victory.  Thanks, but there is no street scene in Iraq that proves to me that the USA's policy there had anything to do with the tale pictured.

  •  I love the snark in MSNBC's story (0+ / 0-)

    By Wednesday, Kaloogian had replaced the photo from his campaign Web site, which was inaccessible due to heavy traffic Wednesday afternoon. The new photo is an aerial view of Baghdad—or at least, Kaloogian says it is.

    So now we know it was taken from a hotel in the green zone...July 05 is fine with me, as that's when he said he was there.

    Still, that's great 11th hour dirt for him to have to deal with as Busby gets closer to the magic 50%.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right

    by darthstar on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 08:22:06 AM PST

  •  Kaloogian's Recall Gray Davis Committee a scam? (1+ / 0-)
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    Howardisaliar.com clearly has a bone to pick, and reasonable people may argue that mailings and radio ads supported the recall effort. But one thing's for sure: Kaloogian's Recall Gray Davis Committee appears to list no expenses directly related to signature collection.

    If this admittedly biased website's allegations are true, we may have ourselves a serial liar and a mailing-list wingnut political donation profiteer. (Lots of people seem to make money milking conservative mailing lists for donations).

    Howard has apparently made enemies in the Gray Davis effort - Specifically, Rescue California. They allege that his "Recall Gray Davis Committee" was nothing but a slush fund.

    http://www.howardisaliar.com/

    Howard Kaloogian is claiming that he led the recall effort.

    THAT IS A BALD FACED LIE.
    He may claim the title of Chairman of the Recall Gray Davis Committee but what did he preside over as chairman? His committee did not spend a dime collecting signatures. They spent money on campaign mailers so they could raise more money to pay themselves.
    ...
    While both committees spent money on miscellaneous campaign activities, a quick inspection of the campaign finance records shows that Howard presided over a slush fund, not a campaign to recall a governor.

    Liar Liar: Howard Exposed
    When Howard decided to stage a rally with boxes of petitions in front of the capitol, he was exposed. The LA Weekly revealed that the boxes of petitions were just props and contained no signatures. The following fact may be true if the Recall Gray Davis Committee ads were primarily fund-raising. I have no evidence one way or another.

    FACT: Howard Kaloogian's only involvement in the recall was running a website and collecting money.

    In a GIF, They list the money spent on signature collection: Howard's group: $0.00; Rescue California: $985,740.00

    Source: The Secretary of State's Campaign Finance Web Site (Recall Gray Davis Expenditures, Rescue California Expenditures)

    While it is arguable that spending money on airtime and mailers is supporting the recall campaign, the fake petitions (if true) sure seem sneaky.

  •  It's the blue thingies (0+ / 0-)

    See, the Iraqis are happy so they're painting stuff sky blue!  Pretty soon they'll have painted all of Iraq blue out of their happiness.  Think blue!

    -7.4, -5.9 | "Ignorance and bigotry, like other insanities, are incapable of self-government." -Thomas Jefferson

    by Subterranean on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 09:17:06 AM PST

  •  I don't know... (0+ / 0-)

    ...I'm glad we're able to get information about this picture but all this talk about extracting "metadata" reminds me too much of fonts and kearning.

    It doesn't tell us what that area looks like NOW.  The police station got bombed.  Was it demolished or damaged?  

    Join the We the People Project. National healthcare program designed by Americans for Americans.

    by DawnG on Thu Mar 30, 2006 at 09:20:58 AM PST

  •  Kaloogian appears to have done it again! (0+ / 0-)

    I was on another website and a link was provided that suggest one of the buildings in the NEW Kaloogian photo (the police station) was blown to bits in Dec 2005.  Kaloogian was apparently in Iraq prior to that time.

    The web site is:  http://aapics.nfshost.com/

    I have a ard time distiguishing which building is which from the pictures - but this might be a good job for Kos sleuths!  It just goes to show how stable Iraq actually is!

  •  metadata (information) about his 'new' picture (0+ / 0-)

    (i put in bold the original file date)
    Main Information
    Make : Minolta Co., Ltd.
    Model : DiMAGE 7i
    Orientation : left-hand side
    XResolution : 720000/10000
    YResolution : 720000/10000
    ResolutionUnit : Inch
    Software : Adobe Photoshop Elements 4.0 Windows
    DateTime : 2006:03:29 13:00:10
    Artist : Picasa 2.0
    YCbCrPositioning : centered
    PrintIM IFD : 40Bytes
    ExifInfoOffset : 312
    Print Image Matching Info
    Version : 0250
    Unknown (0001) : 00 16 00 16
    Unknown (0002) : 01 00 00 00
    Unknown (0100) : 01 00 00 00
    Unknown (0101) : 00 00 00 00
    Sub Information
    ExposureTime : 1/750Sec
    FNumber : F6.7
    ExposureProgram : Program Normal
    ISOSpeedRatings : 100
    ExifVersion : 0220
    DateTimeOriginal : 2005:07:13 19:50:27
    DateTimeDigitized : 2005:07:13 19:50:27
    ComponentConfiguration : YCbCr
    BrightnessValue : EV10.0
    ExposureBiasValue : EV0.0
    MaxApertureValue : F3.4
    MeteringMode : Division
    LightSource : Unidentified
    Flash : Not fired(Compulsory)
    FocalLength : 23.29(mm)
    SubjectLocation : 5,49155,16385,49152
    FlashPixVersion : 0100
    ColorSpace : sRGB
    ExifImageWidth : 480
    ExifImageHeight : 360
    ExifInteroperabilityOffset : 808
    CustomRendered : Custom process
    ExposureMode : Auto
    WhiteBalance : Auto
    DigitalZoomRatio : 0/1
    FocalLength(35mm) : 94(mm)
    SceneCaptureType : Standard
    GainControl : None
    Contrast : Normal
    Saturation : Normal
    Sharpness : Normal
    SubjectDistanceRange : Distant view
    ExifR98
    ExifR :
    Version : 0100
    Thumbnail Information
    Compression : OLDJPEG
    XResolution : 72/1
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    ResolutionUnit : Inch
    JPEGInterchangeFormat : 934
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  •  Kos (0+ / 0-)

    That's what I had been saying all along.

    It is misleading to use an image from July 2005 to support claims in March 2006 that the media is biased.

  •  Police Station (1+ / 0-)
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    I have not established that the police station in the photos I posted is Kaloogian's and looking at some news reports and some other things in the pictures I now doubt it. I'm sure this can be settled by your sleuths
    but it looks increasingly like a wild goose chase.

    I pulled up these pictures for the sake of comparison
    and they got a good deal more attention than
    I anticipated after mentioning them once on what seemed like the tail end of a thread at Eschaton.
    Sorry if anyone has been misled, I was just pointing
    them out. I have been to Istanbul, but never to Baghdad, and I understand these are different places ...

    P.S. This is my first comment here, and while I would
    have preferred the name AA you have one of those already.

    •  2 Police stations? Also, bombing video. (1+ / 0-)
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      Thanks for the images! They were very helpful.

      The two low-angle police station images (with the tank and the pickup truck) appear to be a different station with a different layout than Kaloogian's (perhaps they're of the second station, which was attacked with small-arms fire).

      The station in the smoke photo is a better match for the police station in Kaloogian's new photograph, though. It is symmetrical and has rectangular masses and walls. The shapes and color of the building complex in the foreground roughly align with the building complex in the same position in londonbear's overhead views.

      There's a videotape of the Dec 4th bombing at Ogrish.com, which might link the police station in your image with the smoke. Here's a repost of a comment I made to npbeachfun's Newsweek: Kaloogian exposed NYT Update diary:

      ---

      But wait, it gets worse.  Those photos appear to depict a site hit by a car bomb in Dec, 2004. (Here's the Reuter's photo confirming both the police station and the date). Thus, Kaloogian's image is from a place directly attacked by a car bomb less than a year before his trip.

      DISTURBING IMAGE WARNING: Here's video that quite believably claims to be of the 12/4/04 bombing, as shot from part of a convoy. Much of the important detail for matching the video to Kooligian's image, however, is obscured by dust and smoke.

      STRONGER DISTURBING IMAGE WARNING Car Bomb In Green Zone, Dec 4, 2004 (Video) via Ogrish.com.

      Here's what I think is happening in the video (minus anything disturbing). For locations not in the Kooligian image, refer to the google earth images in londonbear's diary.

      The camera is in a US-allied convoy vehicle driving northwest towards the intersection (heading towards the photograph from the right). A car bomb explodes in the road heading northeast (towards the top of the intersection; the bombing site is probably in the photo). The bomb itself is blocked from the camera by the drab brown walls at the top right of the intersection (which continue outside of the picture frame. (At this point, the people in the vehicle say "car bomb" and that there will be another one). The convoy vehicles then take a sharp left turn to the southwest, past some bombing victims, into a very narrow walled alley (just outside of the frame of this image, heading down and to the right). Their tires are shredded by protective spikes as they reach safety in the compound.

      •  2 Police Stations (0+ / 0-)

        That makes sense. I have updated my own page on this.
        I'm leaving the pictures as they are but I think it's reasonably clear now what we see here.
        The news reports mention an attack on a mosque near the airport as I understand it, but for our purposes it doesn't matter where the other photos are.

        So there is considerable irony here as far as Kaloogian's picture is concerned: the hotel balcony shot from the Green Zone of a police station that was the subject of a major bombing, as an illustration of peaceful Baghdad.

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