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OK, much as I love trashing the administration, I'm going to take a few minutes to defend Brian Doyle.

First of all, he's innocent until proven guilty. Maybe he did not see the age in the profile and thought he was dealing with an adult. Maybe he saw the age, but thought it was an adult role playing a little girl. That sort of thing happens a lot on the internets. Heck, there are whole web sites where you can have virtual sex with other ponies, and I'd be willing to bet there are no real horses involved.

There was no victim. I repeat, there was no fourteen year old girl. There was a cop, posing as a fourteen year old girl. If Doyle thought he was talking to an adult role playing a teenager, he would have been right.

There's more...

If this were anything other than a sex crime, it would be thrown out of court as a clear case of entrapment. This would not have happened without a cop posing as a fourteen year old girl. (Now maybe Doyle would have found a real fourteen year old, and maybe he has in the past, but that's not what he is accused of.)

If we accept this sort of entrapment for sex offenders, 'national security' will be next. Before long there may be FBI agents trolling the internets saying what a good idea it might be to disrupt presidential appearances, so that they can arrest anyone who agrees. The bottom line is that Brian Doyle deserves the full protection of the constitution and the law, because if he doesn't get it, nobody does.

Originally posted to misterajc on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 05:49 AM PDT.

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  •  Maybe Doyle (3+ / 0-)
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    lipris, Bionic, kredwyn

    has an evil twin.

  •  I don't know..... (2+ / 0-)
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    kredwyn, Wary

    He's been charged with seven counts of using a computer to seduce a child and 16 counts of transmitting harmful materials to a minor,

    "Why can't you and the idea of separation of powers just hug it out, bitch?" Wonkette

    by Hollywood Liberal on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 06:06:07 AM PDT

    •  Numbers game (0+ / 0-)

      Those could all have (allegedly) happened in one chat session for all we know. Prosecutors like to run up the number of charges so that they can plea bargain them down later and save the expense and trouble of a trial.

  •  diary as snark (1+ / 0-)
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    it's not just for breakfast anymore.

    .. little electrons are running around and chasing their own tails.  

    yip, yip ... yip

    "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty, soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

    by shpilk on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 06:08:00 AM PDT

  •  As I noted earlier... (7+ / 0-)

    Not only is he a classic (alleged) internet pedophile, but he also:

    --told her his real name
    --told her his real job...for the DHS
    --gave her his real address/phone number
    --gave her is real gov't cell phone #

    dear lord. forget the original charges, they should book him for being an idiot!

  •  Ummm.... (0+ / 0-)

    Am not a lawyer, so here are my questions:

    If we accept this sort of entrapment for sex offenders...

    How is this any different than the sting operations that happen daily with regards to arresting prostitutes? A cop poses as a traveling sales rep. and calls up a service to send a woman over for her services. She's arrested and the escort service is busted.

    ...'national security' will be next. Before long there may be FBI agents trolling the internets saying what a good idea it might be to disrupt presidential appearances, so that they can arrest anyone who agrees.

    How do you know that's not already happening? The trolling the internets part at least.

    "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

    by kredwyn on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 06:10:22 AM PDT

    •  What you said... (0+ / 0-)

      I think that sting operations to arrest prostitutes are also entrapment if they happen as you describe, but then I think prostitution should be legal, anyhow.

      Any you're right, the FBI could be trolling the internets right now.

  •  I' Sorry But (1+ / 0-)
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    Hollywood Liberal

    Seual internet predetors have been highly visible not only in undercover stings but right on TV with real live stings, with real live police capturing those attracted to the sting site.

    Yesterday a youth presented hours of live testimony of how he got caught in that trap of sexual exploitation on the internet.

    I don't care what Doyle thinks or anyone else, if they 'think' they are talking to an adult or not, fact is if they are going after children they bear that responsibility.

    There was no 'actual victim' this time, and good. But this most probably prevented something in the future and people who are going after these children in this manner, even though there have been many high profile cases, not only about the internent but also look at the decades long cases about child sexual abuse by the Catholic Church, well people should be put on notice that if they dabble in this, particuarly on the internet, someone will catch up to them.

    We all know on the internet or suspect we are being 'watched' even those not engaged in sexual predatory behavior--now perhaps more will become aware.

    It's not just that people 'like to trash' this administration at all, it's just that this administration has brought this upon themselves.

    •  About that youth (0+ / 0-)

      Doesn't it strike you as strange that a 14 year old boy, who put up a website, posted pictures of himself and collected money from a couple of hundred "predators" and despite some apparent parental intervention is now claiming that he is a victim. Something is not right with this picture. Now at 18 he is coming out with this information for what purpose? Anyone care to touch this one.
      tung sol

      'cause you're the green manalishi with the two prong crown--Peter Green, Green Manalishi

      by tung sol on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 07:43:44 AM PDT

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  •  I appreciate your diary (0+ / 0-)

    and your perspective.  I have a family member who was caught in one of these internet stings and it has been a horrible ordeal for him and for our whole family.  Nothing excuses the crime, but it would be hypocritical of me to heap derision on Mr. Doyle while I'm trying to offer hope and encouragement to someone I love who did virtually the same thing.

  •  ANOTHER Bush Administration official Perpwalking (0+ / 0-)

    I don't care, I just love to see Bush Administration officials dancing the Perpwalk.
    Puts a smile on my face, knowing that all's well and as it should be: Bush administration officials being led off in handcuffs.


    by exlrrp on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 06:28:51 AM PDT

  •  so sorry Entrapment has it's place (1+ / 0-)
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    and if it get any fucking phedophile put in jail, have at it. This was no flash in the pan arrest, you can be sure they took thier time checking this guy out since he is DHS. I just hope he doesn't get put in some private cell. Gen. Pop. knows how to handle justice for these freaks.

    -8.63 -7.28 Vote+$.01 I will vote Dem., but in protest and support.

    by OneCrankyDom on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 06:51:42 AM PDT

  •  I Tend to Agree... (0+ / 0-)

    ...about entrapment.  Whether its would-be Internet predators, would-be car thieves, or minimum-wage store clerks who sells a pack of cigarettes to a police plant a week away from her 18th birthday, it seems "the ends always justify the means" when it comes to law enforcement violating their own entrapment laws these days.

  •  not entrapment at all (0+ / 0-)

    I believe that entrapment would involve a policeman posing online as an underage girl and then APPROACHING Doyle, unsolicited, with offers of sex or other illegal activity.

    If Doyle initiated the contact, then it is not entrapment as I understand it.


    We haven't seen the evidence against Doyle, so it is silly to speculate on what he did or didn't do. That said, I have a brother-in-law who is an officer than has worked in a group where officers pose as children online.

    They would put their AOL profile online ("13/F" is all it usually takes)start receiving unsolicited sexual emails from pervs right away. It was so bad that they had to turn off the printer within an hour because they simply didn't have enough officers to follow up on every solicitation.

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