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OK, this isn't really political, and the news isn't nearly as surprising as it would've been prior to the Intel processor switch, but it still threw me for a loop.

While various hackers have been working furiously on how to install Windows XP on the new Intel-based Macs (and vice-versa...installing OS X on non-Apple PCs), Apple's official stance since the Intel announcement has been that they would neither help nor hinder the process.

Until today:

http://www.apple.com/...

Apple Introduces Boot Camp
Public Beta Software Enables Intel-based Macs to Run Windows XP

CUPERTINO, California--April 5, 2006--Apple® today introduced Boot Camp, public beta software that enables Intel-based Macs to run Windows XP. Available as a download beginning today, Boot Camp allows users with a Microsoft Windows XP installation disc to install Windows XP on an Intel-based Mac®, and once installation is complete, users can restart their computer to run either Mac OS® X or Windows XP. Boot Camp will be a feature in "Leopard," Apple's next major release of Mac OS X, that will be previewed at Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference in August.

"Apple has no desire or plan to sell or support Windows, but many customers have expressed their interest to run Windows on Apple's superior hardware now that we use Intel processors," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "We think Boot Camp makes the Mac even more appealing to Windows users considering making the switch."

Again, this isn't completely shocking, but I figured it'd be at least a year or so before they made this move--which I guess is still valid, since Boot Camp isn't being officially released until the release of OS X Leopard.

Of course, the ultimate goal is still to be able to run Windows apps--at full speed, unlike Virtual PC--while booted into OS X...but it's still a huge step.

Gotta love the snarky comments on the official Boot Camp page as well:

"Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries.

Windows running on a Mac is like Windows running on a PC. That means it'll be subject to the same attacks that plague the Windows world. So be sure to keep it updated with the latest Microsoft Windows security fixes."

Originally posted to Brainwrap on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 10:41 AM PDT.

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  •  Which one is the Antichrist now? (0+ / 0-)

    Steve Jobs of Bill Gates?

    Well, I'm looking outside and the sky isn't falling...yet.

    Think Different, indeed!

    Ari

    "By Grabthar's Hammer...what a savings." - Dr. Lazarus

    by Ari Mistral on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 10:50:55 AM PDT

  •  of=or (0+ / 0-)

    Preview is my friend.

    "By Grabthar's Hammer...what a savings." - Dr. Lazarus

    by Ari Mistral on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 10:51:18 AM PDT

  •  In the Mid 90s (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SulaymanF

    There was one apple computer (I think one of the LCs) that could run both Windows and Apple OS.  The office I worked in a couple.  We would switch to Windows to play solitaire and then switch back to Macs to do everything else.

    George W. Bush makes Reagan look smart, Nixon look honest, and his dad look coherent.

    by Dave the pro on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 10:51:38 AM PDT

  •  Apple began emulating MicroSoft ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... a couple of years ago.  Their OS is getting "furry" in the same way that MS-Windows did after 3.1.  So not a sign of the apocalypse, but definitely a sign that their standards have dropped and will continue to drop.  What we are seeing is the stupidification of the Apple platform.  The high point, in retrospect, will have been the first stable iteration of OS X.

    Sad.

    I see them bound by a philosophy with plans and tactics to impose their will on other countries. - G. Bush, on terrorists, 3/21/06

    by Yellow Canary on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 10:53:07 AM PDT

  •  Two things (2+ / 0-)
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    lipris, Ari Mistral
    1. Apple's made it clear that they're not going to support dual-booting. All that this does is make it legal.
    1. OK, so now that dual-booting is legal on Macs -- why in the world would you want your second OS to be Windows XP? Isn't OSX good enough?

    ->Even Fox News says Iraq is a civil war <-

    by maxomai on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 10:55:37 AM PDT

    •  It was always legal (0+ / 0-)

      assuming you had a legal copy of XP.

      This is support for the idea of dual-booting. Apple doesn't technically support it yet, because Boot Camp is still beta (release version will be with OS 10.5). And certainly, Apple won't tech-support Windows.

      But, this is an official part of the Mac OS, designed to let new Macs dual-boot.

      And, for your second point, speaking for myself, gaming would be the main reason.

      -dms

    •  re (0+ / 0-)

      because some developers need to test and compile on windows. now one machine will do both.

      its truly is a great thing if you have these needs.

      "I'm dead." - Steve Holt

      by cookiesandmilk on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 11:41:50 AM PDT

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  •  I think this is great... (3+ / 0-)
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    tgs1952, cookiesandmilk, Ari Mistral

    ...just from a gaming perspective.  I know the guys at Slashdot have been arguing all day about whether this will save or kill the Mac platform, but I think this will help bring Windows users to Apple machines.

    Now, if Dell starts supporting dual-boot w/OS X, then I'll start looking for the rain of frogs and the four horsemen riding...

    Moron and Sauron lead the free world. God help us.

    by sixthdoctor on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 10:57:14 AM PDT

  •  I'd Be Excited If... (0+ / 0-)

    ...I couldn't boot XP on a fundamentally cheaper system already, with a right mouse button standard.

    9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

    by NewDirection on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 11:00:34 AM PDT

  •  whatevs (2+ / 0-)
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    bumblebums, Ari Mistral

    like i would inflict XP on a perfectly decent mac.

    no thanks.

    "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

    check out An Angry Yank in Kent. now mostly legible!

    by lipris on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 11:02:36 AM PDT

  •  Given all of the spyware, malware and viruses... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    lipris

    ..out there, this announcement is sort of like seeing Trojan run ads promoting unsafe sex.

    Let's hope that the nasty crap that infects your hard drive when you run Winodws doesn't find a way to propagate onto your Mac OS X partition....

    It may be a brilliant  marketing move removing any windows users last reservations about buying a Mac.  After running both OS'es on the same machine side by side for six months, the superiority of the Mac OS should be overwhelmingly apparent.

    "It's not selling out if you don't get paid, okay? We're not whores. When you do it for free, that's just slutty." -Wonkette -6.38/ -4.21

    by wonkydonkey on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 11:02:45 AM PDT

    •  re (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      wonkydonkey

      a) they are on different partitions and windows can not see the mac part.

      b) there is a 5 gig buffer of HD to protech againt buffer overflow errors/hacks

      c) Of course OSX is the best... but some of us have to test stuff on windows and now one computer can do both.

      "I'm dead." - Steve Holt

      by cookiesandmilk on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 11:46:08 AM PDT

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  •  The only reason I'm even interested... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Skennet Boch, Ari Mistral

    ...is because, as a web developer, I occasionally need to load my sites in IE for Windows to make sure everything loads/looks right.

    Plus, once in awhile a client will send me a page in Publisher format to add to their site--and as far as I can tell, the only way to convert these to an OS X-viewable format is to export them as PDFs from within Publisher first.

    So, for my purposes, Virtual PC (or actually Guest PC) does the trick just fine--I don't need full performance, I just need to fire it up, view it and then go back to OS X, which means VPC is a better solution than having to reboot anyway.

    However, for the hard-core gamer crowd, this addresses a HUGE gripe, and for timid never-used-a-Mac owners it allays their concerns about being lost in OS X, etc.

  •  OSXP (2+ / 0-)
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    cookiesandmilk, Ari Mistral

    "Virtualization", where one OS "hosts" several running instances of an OS like separate "virtual" machines all running on one real machine, is increasingly popular. New versions of Linux, close enough to Mac OSX that each can often run the other's apps, often include virtualization. The upcoming Windows Vista release is reported to include virtualization.

    I'm looking forward to seeing "dual booting" OSX/XP turn into virtual simultaneous OSes. Because the next step is seeing OSX host OSX windows onto XP apps. Which means running an OSX desktop with the many XP apps, just so long as you pay the Windows tax to embed it into the machine.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 11:29:05 AM PDT

  •  4 Operating Systems on 1 machine. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    sagesource, Ari Mistral

    Buy your mac on from Terra soft with a Linux boot option and maybe you can have OS X, XP, Unix and Linux. That ought to cover everything.

    God Is A Woman and She is Quite Black. -5.86, -5.77

    by daelin82 on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 11:40:16 AM PDT

  •  Ha! I was going to post this, but... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cookiesandmilk, Ari Mistral

    ...then I thought, nah- nobody on DailyKos will care.

    I guess that shows me!

    BTW, as a long-time Mac user, I was really pumped by this announcement, because if I get my new PowerBook this year (replacing my circa-'97 Wallstreet), why then, anytime I wanted to, I could boot into Windows and run...

    ...uh...run...um...

    ...dang! I know there was something I wanted to run on Windows. Maybe a hot new game, or something...

    I dunno- I'll find something! Pretty dang cool, anyway.

  •  Check out this (0+ / 0-)

    YouTube video howing how Microsoft would have marketed the iPod.

    There is but one surefire way to vanquish conservatives, and that is to beat the shit out of them."--David Podvin

    by Sharoney on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 12:11:05 PM PDT

    •  That's a great video (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Sharoney

      but the punchline is that it was created by Microsoft, as a sort of object lesson for their marketing and package design groups.

      (Source for this was the NYTimes technology blog, but the archived post, called "Microsoft's sense of humor", seems to be a dead link).

      -dms

      •  You're right. (0+ / 0-)

        That makes it even funnier. Thanks.

        And maybe, just maybe, Microsoft is catching on. For the sake of folks like my hubby who is more or less forced to use a MS book, let's also hope that epiphany will extend to their products.

        There is but one surefire way to vanquish conservatives, and that is to beat the shit out of them."--David Podvin

        by Sharoney on Wed Apr 05, 2006 at 01:35:20 PM PDT

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