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I found a Fighting Dem who has not been recognized or even noticed. I have read him and talked with him and he's terrific (I've told him to sign on to DK).

May I introduce: "Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. . . . He flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam . . . .- a Rocket Scientist for the Space Coast! see

What's more important is he supports women's right to choose, gay rights, single payer healthcare, is truely supporting vets and on IRAQ, and says bring them home now.

update He seems to have gotten enough signatures God and county clerk be willing. Now I'm trying to hook him in with the rest of the fighting dems. (I wish I knew how to do strikeout)

Bob needs help gathering the last few hundred petition signatures by Sunday (yes, TODAY) evening. So if you live in or near FL 15, on the east coast - it includes the counties: Indian River, Brevard, Osceola, and a bit of Polk. see district map

You can go to his site to download a petition at and print it.  

More below the fold.

Bob says it's much faster to get sigs at places like Walmarts, libraries, malls, etc. than walking residences. He just needs a few hundred more or else he will have to pay ~ $9000 to get on the ballot. He has 'til Monday morning to get the sigs in; (His campaign office/home is at 5017 Bel flower Ct. Melborne Ct. FL 32940. Call for directions to get any sigs to him: home phone =  321-752-5955;  cell = 321 258 0582). If this fails he has till May 10th to raise the money.

His only possible Dem opponent is a staunchly "pro-life" running a no $$ campaign, who probably won't make it on the ballot. If Bob does not qualify, R-Weldon, a bush/deLay pig will stay at the trough and what is more Weldon's campaign $$ will go to other repugs making other races harder to win.

He really sounds stressed to the max. So, go to his site*, if you live near spend an hour or two and get some sigs, or send some money - $5, $ 10, don't forget the .01 to give him some encouragement PLEASE.

*a particularly interesting bit is at which concludes:

We must stand up to the blood-sucking insurance companies, the for-profit hospitals and HMOs, and the giant pharmaceutical companies and stand up for a single-payer national health system. We must stand up to the job-exporting global robber barons and the WTO and stand up for good jobs at a living wage for American workers.

Most of all, we must stand up to the big oil companies and the neo-con imperialists and stand up for what's left of our troops by bringing them home ... NOW. God bless America, and God grant us regime change in Washington, DC. Thank You.


Originally posted to sam dobermann on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 03:01 PM PDT.

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  •  Please recommend (19+ / 0-)

    to keep this diary up.  I know it's late to do this, mea culpa, but it is so important to fill ballot spots and not give repugs free rides.

    Besides this guy is terrific.

    The critical office is Secretary of State; they run the elections. Let's find superb candidates ! Sam

    by samddobermann on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 03:04:05 PM PDT

  •  Bob sounds great! (7+ / 0-)

    Wish we'd had a little more heads-up.  He'll get a lot of support here.

  •  cross-post at MLW, send mail (6+ / 0-)

    to Firedoglake?

    If matters are so urgent, maybe you could cross-post this at MyLeftWing, which has quite a few Californians? If I am not wrong, there is no waiting period there. There MUST be other Calif. based blogs (the anti-Arnold nurses come to mind, but I don't know their address; or, there is janinsanfran, markinsanfran, ...)

    Also, I might recommend Firedoglake, as they are VERY encouraging tow. citizen actions, and Jane Hamsher has great Calif. contacts. You could either post an OT comment at the latest post, explaining the urgency of the case, or e-mail J.H. directly. (I'm sure her e-mail is listed on the old page, but maybe it's on the new page too, which is firedoglake )

    Good luck! (from a Hungarian citizen living in Germany)

    •  FL? CA? My apologies and new tip (2+ / 0-)
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      Blech, samddobermann

      Stupid me, I only skimmed your post, realised that the candidate DID sound great, and that was it. My apologies!

      (Also, didn't understand the Space Coast hint, although it should have been clear.) Nevertheless cross-posting this announcement may not be SUCH a bad idea, esp. to Firedoglake.

      Where FL is concerned, one blog I know from there is Bryan Dumka's  Why now? I don't know where his home town is relative to "your" district, but he may help get out the word, link up to other progressive FL blogs, all that. He is also an ex-serviceman, a Russian expert to boot... (And  may be reading all this right now.)

      Good luck!

  •  He sounds good, but . . . (4+ / 0-)
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    Blech, Street Kid, MasonLee, Sanuk

    His website says that he's the "Presiding Bishop of the United Catholic Church," which he personally founded.  This is one of the very numerous "Catholic" churches claiming apostolic succession, most of whose "parishes" operate out of somebody's living room.

    Far be it from me to criticize anybody's personal faith, and he may have had perfectly valid reasons for forming this brand new church and thinking that none of the thousands of existing denominations (including dozens of similar "Catholic" denominations) were sufficient, but I seriously doubt that he is going to be a serious candidate, even if he makes it onto the ballot.

  •  read the rest (1+ / 0-)
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    including where he's preached  and go to his issues page and read where he talks about vets and then to ISSUES which he does alphabeticcally.  He is pro-abortion rights which may be why he left the Roman catholic church

    He is in Florida not california. UMMM how do you cross post? just copy and paste? Sorry to be so dumb.

    The critical office is Secretary of State; they run the elections. Let's find superb candidates ! Sam

    by samddobermann on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 03:56:06 PM PDT

    •  I have no problem with him being religious, (2+ / 0-)
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      but have a problem him wanting to be a politician as well.  Haven't we had enough of these people who think they are entitled to have a foot in both

      Separation of Religion and State all the way.

      Also, if he has a Church he presumably has a Congregation and yet he doesn't know enough people to sign his petition?

      Sounds very Florida to me.

    •  cross-posting (2+ / 0-)
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      tankej, Blech

      Hello, I'm the one who recommended cross-posting and who thought for about 5 minutes that it was a California district.

      At MyLeftWing or Booman Tribune you'll have to sign up first, very much like here. At BooTrib you can post right away, and it's quite possible it's the same with MLW.

      Here's how I'd do the X-posting, if I had to (I am not much of a software expert): before I went over to any other blog, I'd save the text of my diary here into a text file. I don't know what opsys you use --- I'd pick the simplest possible text editor, and save the stuff in text only mode. Or as an e-mail to myself, whatever. Then I'd also note down the URL of the Kos diary, for further reference.

      After all this I'd start my post at the other community blog, paste in the stuff saved from here, change & edit things and so on. It's THE polite thing to list where else it has been/will be posted. (Eventually this would have to appear here at DKos too.)

      Firedoglake (or non-community blogs in general) is a bit different, as readers like myself can only leave comments. There is a "standard" comment box at the end of the comment list that you can fill and then send off.

      If you spend some time there you can see that it is a friendly, well-attuned community, and they often write about other topics in the comments --- which, if important, are then taken up by the chief bloggers. What ˙>>I<< would do there is either write a few polite lines in the comments, or e-mail Jane Hamsher. (Her e-mail is at the old site, which is a standard blogspot URL: <br>old FDL) If I added a comment, I would introduce myself as a newcomer, apologise for the off-topic comment, highlight the great properties of the candidate and stress the stringency of the deadline. And then I would add the link to the URL of the diary (which I had noted down, or I may be working with 2 or more browser windows, to facilitate cutting and pasting).

      Where Bryan Dumka at Why Now? (or any other individual blogger) is concerned, I would simply write him or her an e-mail, repeating what the diary said in a more personalised style, and also give him or her the address of the DKos (or MLW or...) diary. If you write to Bryan, you can mention me, viz. the reader he knows as Agnes, and who comments mostly on his cats (;-) ) and European or Cold War issues.

      Sorry for the schoolmarmish style -- it all comes down to cutting, pasting and being polite...

      Again, good luck to you and the candidate! Agnes

      •  Thank you for all the info (0+ / 0-)

        I copied your comment for future reference.  And will use it.

        I talked to him a short time ago. He thinks he  has sufficient sigs and them some for the ones that get thrown out. He's been checking and throwing out what he could.  

        I am trying to get him linked with the fighting dems and told him to get registered here  and read him a few comments for encouragement. He'll get here in a day or two. He definitely isn't a "preacher" with a congregation and is adamant about separation of church and state.

        I like what he said about Moral issues:

        Moral Issues: Let's get one thing straight. Morality has very little to do with sex and a great deal to do with money and power. It has to do with how we treat one another. It is immoral for the big money interests to force government to serve their greed instead of serving the people's need. I do agree that public servants need to set a high moral standard for themselves, as an example. As Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church, I'm used to having to do that. And I favored the impeachment of Bill Clinton -- but for the right reason. Not over poor Monica. I would have impeached him for the bombing of Baghdad and the rape of Yugoslavia.

        There are indeed huge moral issues facing us today. Waging wars of aggression is a moral issue. Poverty in the midst of wealth is a moral issue. The treatment of widows and orphans is a moral issue. (It was in Jesus' day, and it still is.) Health care is a moral issue. Let the churches worry about who is sleeping with whom. The government has bigger fish to fry. Government should concern itself with morality in the board room and the war room, not the bedroom.


        The critical office is Secretary of State; they run the elections. Let's find superb candidates ! Sam

        by samddobermann on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 09:52:04 PM PDT

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  •  what synchronicity! (4+ / 0-)

    I just read about Lt. Col Dr. Bob Bowman tonight. I found out about him from a website exploring 9/11 inconsistencies (from his research he suspects it's an inside job -- benign neglect at the least).

    I went to his website,, read about his bio and his positions and all I can say is wow, wow, wow! Read about this man. He's highly accomplished in several fields (was a decorated Vietmam fighter pilot) and he practically reads like Chomsky.

    I hit the contribute button right away AND wrote to national DFA to support this guy!! He's DFA material thru and thru. Any FL DFA-ers reading? Hope you are supporting this fine candidate!!

    Just do yourself a favor and look into this guy. You will be compelled to back him -- I promise you!

  •  Does this district include Poinciana? (2+ / 0-)
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    Blech, AllisonInSeattle

    Poinciana is a funny cul-de-sac developed community south of Kissimmee.  It's right at or even on the Osceola/Polk county border.  I have an aunt who lives there I could make a quick call to.

    A pessimist sees a glass half empty. I see a paper cup with holes punched in it.

    by Paper Cup on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 04:20:16 PM PDT

  •  Crosspost at too. (2+ / 0-)
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    tankej, Blech

    Yes, cut and paste (being mindful of formatting) and mention that you're crossposting.

    You can try as well.  Good luck!

  •  It looks like it does include your aunt (1+ / 0-)
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    The critical office is Secretary of State; they run the elections. Let's find superb candidates ! Sam

    by samddobermann on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 04:27:17 PM PDT

  •  This guys seems a wee bit over the top (2+ / 0-)
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    Blech, LNK

    Has anyone here ever met him in person?  The quote in the diary and some of the comments below makie him sound almost like a LaRouche type - not exactly the best way to build our credibility.  I certainly believe in getting him on the ballot as I, like Howard Dean, believe that no seat should ever go uncontested, but I'd be leary of providing any more than that basic amount of support for someone who seems as near to the fringe as he does.

    •  just read his website (6+ / 0-)

      This man has more qualifications than all of Junior's cabinet combined.

      I also heard him on audio, and he was level-headed and articulate.

      I know he sounds too good to be true -- but my first pass look at him leaves me very impressed.

      We need more congressman like this man. This is from his website.

      Bob Bowman was the first presidential candidate officially recognized by the Reform Party in 1999, and for several weeks was the only one. He campaigned in 48 states. Central to his campaign were (1) electoral reform (severing the connection between big money and political power), (2) international trade reform (renouncing NAFTA, GATT, and the WTO), (3) health care reform ( a doctor-run single-payer national health system), (4) structural reform (ending the domination of society by transnational corporations and banks), (5) economic reform (allowing workers to keep more of the wealth they create), and (6) foreign relations reform (freeing the American people from the threat of nuclear terrorism by a return to a Constitutional foreign policy which refuses to go to war for the financial interests of the wealthy few). His campaign appealed to liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans alike. He is the candidate of all those who want to see a Constitutional government serving the people of the United States instead of the global big money interests.

    •  so what? (2+ / 0-)
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      Blech, samddobermann
      As long as Rethug doesn't win, it's all good.
    •  Fringe? (6+ / 0-)

      IMHO, that's exactly why we lose elections.  Too many candidates don't tell it like it is and when they do, they are accused of being 'fringe.'  Personally, I like the talk.  Wish more Dems would speak up and bluntly tell like it is.

      We Need REGIME CHANGE*

      •  The thing is that generally speaking our (2+ / 0-)
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        samddobermann, curtadams

        nutjobs - the nutjobs that are attracted to the Democratic Party are really much cooler tha the GOP nutjobs because our nutjobs want to do "crazy" things like have peace and feed children.  The GOP nutjobs on the other hand want to do crazy things like start three wars in five years and kill children.

        I think it would be fine to run our fringe nutjobs against their meniacally insane kool aid drinkers any day.

    •  Bah, toss him $50, I just gave $60 (4+ / 0-)
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      roonie, Blech, samddobermann, quaoar

      A LaRouche type? This is the house, that's exactly where you want "fringe" types IMHO. He doesn't read like some wack job. So come on you cheap bastards, to which I am not referring SR specifically. It kills me that people sit around here bitching at light speed then don't seem to give at the same pace.

      I'm not in his district so I can't sign his petition, but I can at least pay for some of his office supplies.

      To lodge all power in one party and keep it there is to insure bad government and the sure and gradual deterioration of the public morals. - Mark Twain

      by Windowdog on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 05:45:59 PM PDT

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  •  Don't petition signers have to be (1+ / 0-)
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    from Bowman's district?

  •  yes that's why I put in a link to map. (1+ / 0-)
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    please read him on the issues.  He spent too much time on his website and too little on signatures.

    I haven't met him but know someone who has and I've talked with him several times. I like him. And he and his wife will work hard.But it will be low budget. . . And who knows maybe his rethug opponent will get indicted pre-Nov.

    The critical office is Secretary of State; they run the elections. Let's find superb candidates ! Sam

    by samddobermann on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 04:54:13 PM PDT

  •  Better than a Rethug, but... (2+ / 0-)
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    McHaskel, Blech

    He claimed recently that Cheney is the main 9/11 suspect on Alex Jones' radio show.  Not that I necessarily disagree with him, but I'm afraid he's gonna get labled a "consipracy theorist" for his views and the places he chooses to share them.  Good luck anyway.

  •  Update? (2+ / 0-)
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    Blech, samddobermann

    How is this project coming? Is anyone taking his petitions out? I wish I were in FL!

  •  OK, I can tell (3+ / 0-)
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    roonie, Blech, samddobermann

    I'd like this guy!  Like that kind of talk.  I'll drop him some money since I can't sign the petition.  Please tell Bob I wish him the best of luck.  If he comes on, I'll tell him, too.


  •  Well, he is certainly unique (2+ / 0-)
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    McHaskel, Blech

    Granted.. there's probably a few things that would backfire on him.

    Like this

    In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.

    Yeah. Hopefully you can get him on the ballot.

    But, I'll keep my reasons for skepticism. The odds suggest that Bowman will provide a 'more interesting than usual' candidacy, but there are some red flags here when it comes to where he is in the scheme of 'fringeness'.

    But, it doesn't appear that he has any links to Lyndon LaRouche.

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 05:16:35 PM PDT

    •  If Bowman is fringe, like Dean was fringe, (4+ / 0-)

      I'll take him in a heartbeat.

      Fringe = talking too straight for America to handle?  I suspect many will respond to his "fringeness", i,e, read, straight-talk. Esp, when they learn of this guy's background.

      I'd love him to be a candidate -- and I already gave him some money.

      •  Hmm (7+ / 0-)

        I wouldn't compare Bowman and Dean.

        For one thing, I'd feel more comfortable with Bowman's background if I had some sort of information saying that it's true.

        I'm more skeptical than some, mainly because I would prefer not getting burned here, and there are some red flags.

        I'll be able to do some more checking when Wikipedia shows up (from links on Wikipedia, not just Wikipedia).

        For one thing, when it comes to winning the Society of American Military Engineers' Gold Medal twice, the website for SAME doesn't list him as a winner at all.

        You can see the importance in making sure that our candidates present truthful resume's, right?

        I would not be stunned at all if there are other holes in the story of Bowman.

        I know that somebody is going to say something close to "Don't question his record". But i'm a lot better at questioning than some Republican. At least i'll go to you first, and not the press.

        Proceed with caution here.


        Although, as I stated, I hope he can get the petitions needed. Florida's rules for getting on the ballot is absurd.

        "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

        by RBH on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 05:47:22 PM PDT

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        •  I find this disturbing (1+ / 0-)
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          I want to support someone reasonable, and I want to know about these inconsistencies...

        •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
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          Blech, AUBoy2007

          I know that somebody is going to say something close to "Don't question his record". But i'm a lot better at questioning than some Republican. At least i'll go to you first, and not the press.

          Honestly, I don't see that much around here.  I do occasionally see (say) 'please don't assume he's a liar unless you have some decent proof' though.  Which you're not, so no harm done.


          •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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            The people who would say "don't question" is probably an extreme example.

            He lists all these medals on his site, and maybe it would be good for him to list more information, such as when he won the medals that he mentioned.

            "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

            by RBH on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 06:26:13 PM PDT

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        •  Other holes (4+ / 0-)
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          vtdem, McHaskel, AUBoy2007, rcbowman

          I would be stunned if his claims about where he's preached aren't an equally big hole.  He claims to have "preached at the National Cathedral and at churches of many faiths, including Roman Catholic, Protestant, Anglican, and Orthodox Christian Churches, Jewish synagogues, and a Muslim mosque."

          I would be stunned if he has preached either at the National Cathedral (although he, like lots of people, may have spoken while attending some kind of a meeting there) or at a Roman Catholic Church.  My impression is that it would be virtually impossible for a priest of one of the many "independent Catholic Churches" to get an invitation to preach at a Roman Catholic Church, much less the married "Presiding Bishop" of such a church.

          Another highly suspicious claim is his claim to have received the "George F. Kennan Peace Prize," which sounded impressive until I did a Google search and discovered that the only references to such a prize even existing are ones quoting the supposed biography of one Robert M. Bowman.

          But the false claim about the Society of American Military Engineers' Gold Medal is, to me, enough all by itself to disqualify him from deserving support.  There are worse things than having a seat go uncontested -- and one of them is nominating a candidate who may end up being an embarrassment to the party.  People who blatantly lie about their own background are a very poor risk to avoid embarrassing themselves and anybody who backs them.

          Everybody has limited funds, and until people can check out this guy's bona fides, my strong suggestion would be to make contributions to people who might actually have a chance to win.

          •  Yeah, can someone look this stuff up? (0+ / 0-)

            On one hand, I think it's just plain stupid for someone to make up this kind of stuff these days because the Internet makes it so easy to shoot down anything (hello, Howard Kaloogian), but on the other hand, leevank has a good point there.

            DRAFT BRUCE -- the pro-Springsteen bumper stickers!

            by iCaroline on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 07:18:50 PM PDT

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        •  Hmm (4+ / 0-)

          There does not appear to exist a George F Kennan Peace Prize.  There is a Kennan Award, which comes from the American Committee on US-Soviet Relations, and a George F Kennan Award for Distinguished Public Service from the National Committee on American Foreign Policy.  (The latter of which he doesn't appear to have won, but I can't say anything about the former except that James Baker appears to have won it at one point.)

          I must admit to a great deal of curiosity as to what the Republic Aviation Airpower Award was.  Republic Aviation was a defense contractor in World War II, which was bought out in the 60s by Fairchild.

          Neither the Eisenhower Medal recipients nor the VFP President's Medal recipients are listed online.

          That said, this guy is fairly well-known, apparently.  I would think that, given the amount of publicity he's been getting, if all this were bunk, some right-wing goober would have come out of the woodwork to correct this stuff long before this.  Still, I'd love to have some more details of what he's won and where he's won it from.


          •  Perhaps (0+ / 0-)

            ...they're waiting for him to gain a bunch of Democrat support before they blow the lid, so they can say 'gotcha' that much louder.

            (I am, by the way, no relation of this guy, in case you're wondering.)

            Cry, the beloved country, these things are not yet at an end. - Alan Paton

            by rcbowman on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 09:46:14 PM PDT

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  •  Stephen Gorham FL State Senate District 10 (2+ / 0-)
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    Blech, boofdah

    Stephen is another veteran who deserves our support.  He served in Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan.  I haven't gotten news today, but I'm assuming he has gotten his signatures to get on the ballot.  Good luck with the signatures for Dr. Bowman.


    Carrie French, age 19, died in Iraq on June 5, 2005. Why?

    by Susan S on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 05:54:33 PM PDT

  •  Seems like a good candidate, but... (1+ / 0-)
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    Fighting Dem is the wrong frame.
    Hello?  That's like saying you're a pro life Dem.
    The foreign policy frame should invoke peace, not war.
    Why do you think we keep losing?
    You don't challenge the Republicans on defense, you change the frickin frame.
    Read your Lakoff.

    "In a system of immense power, small differences can translate into large outcomes." Chomsky

    by formernadervoter on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 06:31:43 PM PDT

    •  Fighting Dem (0+ / 0-)

      doesn't just have to mean a veteran Dem. To me, a fighting Dem is just a Democrat who stands up for what he believes. Russ Feingold is a fighting Dem too.

      It took them 30 years- don't give up hope after 3

      by js noble on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 07:54:07 PM PDT

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  •  Hooray! They say they have the signatures (0+ / 0-)

    I called and they said they have about 5000 now to check through. They needed about 4000.

    But it's good to keep tabs on these candidates and check on their progress.

    SamdDobermann- thanks for posting!

    •  Good to hear (0+ / 0-)

      even if I have reasons to be skeptical, I am also a fan of people being able to run for office.

      Hopefully Florida still lower the requirements to run for Congress too.

      "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

      by RBH on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 06:59:16 PM PDT

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      •  Basically we just (1+ / 0-)
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        need someone in place so if something disastrous happens with the Republican we have a canidate. People probably should keep their check book in their pocket for right now- at least give it a few days to make sure everything is straight with this guy.

        It took them 30 years- don't give up hope after 3

        by js noble on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 07:55:56 PM PDT

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  •  Republic Aviation Airpower Award? Huh??? (1+ / 0-)
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    Hmmm... I googled "Republic Aviation Airpower Award" and "President's Medal of Veterans for Peace" and nothing official comes up for either search --just links to boilerplate copies of Dr. Bowman's bio on his own website and a few others.

    Are these real awards with any merit? Can anyone verify or is this another Sean Hannity-style "Nobel Prize nominated" doctor?

    Bowman was also quoted on a dKos discussion as a proponent of the neocons-orchestrated-911 theory.

    •  VFP (0+ / 0-)

      Actually, if you search for "president's medal of veterans for peace" without quotation marks, you find that there is such a thing. It's a little confusing, since it's the group Veterans for Peace which apparently has a President's Medal, and they don't have any general information on it anywhere on their site. Nor do they have a list of winners that I can see.

      Republic Aviation could well have given him an award, and there's no reason to expect it'd be listed online anywhere. But it can be checked.

      I find the skepticism well merited, but after a first look around, I think he may need an editor more than anything else. And someone to provide weblinks for all his statements, of course.

      (again, as I said upthread, I'm no relation to the guy.)

      Cry, the beloved country, these things are not yet at an end. - Alan Paton

      by rcbowman on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 10:07:15 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Did he make it? (0+ / 0-)

    I read this post late Sunday evening so I am wondering how things went?

    Hope is nature's veil for hiding truth's nakedness. -Alfred Nobel

    by AnneofGreatHope on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 09:07:29 PM PDT

  •  So we sort of have a problem (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    McHaskel, samddobermann, leevank

    I'm really glad he's on the ballot but now that he is he has a bit of explaining to do if he wants to start fundraising on here. Heres a summary of the concerns on this thread.

    So far the the organization he leads, the Insitute for Space and Security Studies only comes up in reference to Bowman himself. The "Millennium III Corporation" of which he is Executive Vice President appears mostly in Bowman's Bio but I did find the Millennium III website. It looks like it was don't by a two year-old and without a template. The site is registered to a John Gantt, that name isn't found in any search that includes the "Millenium" "Millenium III Corporation" or any other variations. The contact number on the site is someone's personal voice mail.

    Meanwhile all of the awards he claims he's recieved either haven't been found to exist, do exist explicitly don't list him as a winner, or do exist but no record of him winning them has been found.

    So I think some explanation might be called for, but that might just be me.

    It took them 30 years- don't give up hope after 3

    by js noble on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 09:51:46 PM PDT

  •  uuuuh, I think I've been took in (1+ / 0-)
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    Thanks, those of you who have been fact checking.  I've followed up as you started me and I think I agree --that lots of his awards are a bunch of hooey.  I didn't think to check them before becouse he sounded so good.

    And his positions are great. They aren't phoney .  Anyone calling for Regime Change here wins my heart.  But there is definitely a screw or two loose here but a much better crazy than the viscious repubs like the incumbent Weldon.  

    If nothing else, his candidacy will give a platform for saying the things he says like out of IRAQ NOW, etc.

    He seem to be an effective speaker and it won't hurt to have his positions aired.

    There is a fascinating talk of his given in 1999 titled  Our War Against Iraq: Causes & Cure

    Go read it; it's worth the donations that have been sent (I've given too).

    I will talk to him in the next few days and tell him to clean up his website and take off the phoney baloney -- that it detracts from his compelling message.

    So thanks to the fact checkers and everyone else. My apologies for not having done due diligence.  But still ya gotta love his positions. . .

    The critical office is Secretary of State; they run the elections. Let's find superb candidates ! Sam

    by samddobermann on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 11:18:05 PM PDT

    •  Thanks for acknowledging the problem (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think I'd help him clean up his phony credentials, either. Let those stay up on his site so everyone can see that he's a fraud.

    •  Think nothing of it (0+ / 0-)

      His positions do sound good, and I would desperately like to have credible candidates contesting every seat, but it's going to be difficult for him to clean up the awards problem, since so many of these claims are out there on NUMEROUS web sites.

      But don't be too discouraged:  You're far from alone in being taken in by this kind of claim.  I'm a retired lawyer, and I've seen very good lawyers believe similar things from their own "expert" witnesses and have it blow up in their face at trial -- and I've seen it happen on multiple occasions.   I've seen "experts" have pages of supposedly peer-reviewed "scientific articles" that were published solely in journals stocked by no significant libraries and that were edited by themselves or their friends, as well as "experts" who invented fictitious degrees or specialty certifications.  That's why I'm sort of gun-shy about self-reports of things like awards where there's no way to externally verify most of them.

      One piece of advice:  My experience has been that once somebody does this kind of exaggeration or even outright invention on something in their background, there's usually a lot more of the same, and you don't want to believe ANYTHING about their background without double and triple checking it.  And by that, I mean that I wouldn't even accept at face value his claims about his service career.  And no matter how convincing he may sound, my experience is that people who are the biggest liars are often the ones who are the most convincing about explaining it all.

      But all that having been said, there are some GOP incumbents who have exaggerated their backgrounds, too (although PERHAPS not to the same extent as him), and won in spite of it.  Just be careful.  And thanks for your well-intentioned efforts.  We all have to learn the lesson about not taking people at face value, no matter how impressive they may seem on the surface -- and the lesson is generally a somewhat painful one.

  •  I've had Dr. Bowman on my Muster Roll for awhile. (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for bringing him to folks attention.

    There is also Joe Roberts in FL-01 running to unseat Jeff Miller. Joe is a Vietnam vet and a carpenter.

    Here is the full Florida Fighting Dems slate.

    ROBERTS, Joe Vietname vet


    2LT, USA  FL-05
    Campaign Manager, Kevin Cate

    BRUDERLY, David
    USN, USNR FL-06
    Campaign Manager,
    Paul Kincaid

    MITCHELL, Bill
    USN   FL-09

    BOWMAN, Bob
    LtCol, USAF FL-15

  •  Before claiming fraud (0+ / 0-)

    why not simply ask his campaign to verify his claims?

    Yes, it could be resume inflation, but there could be a logical explanation too.

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