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Who are they?  What are they planning as our future?  Will you vote for one of them in 06?  08?  Are you betting that global warming will destroy you before they do?  Their plan for the working and middle class is below the fold.  

According to Harold Meyerson in WaPo, the project to restate Democratic economics for our time was unveiled a couple of weeks ago, and it's named after the father of American conservatism, Alexander Hamilton.  The authors of the Hamilton Project include Peter Orszag,  Brookings Institution economist; investment banker Roger Altman, formerly of the Clinton Treasury department; and, chiefly, former Treasury secretary and current Citigroup executive committee Chairman Robert Rubin.

They acknowledge that recapturing broadly shared prosperity in an age of globalization is a daunting issue, and they do have their recommendations:

 *Balance the budget
 *Have the government invest more in "education, health care, energy independence, scientific
   research, and infrastructure,
 *Provide compensatory wage insurance for the many workers forced to take lower-paying jobs
   as middle-income jobs grow scarcer.

What?  Compensatory wage insurance for the many workers forced to take lower-paying jobs as middle-income jobs grow scarcer?   Are they telling us to get use to it?

They also place such traditional Republican boogeymen as teachers unions on the list of problems that need to be solved. On the other hand, their list of national problems includes nothing about a corporate and financial culture that richly and reflexively rewards executives who offshore work to cheaper climes and deny their American employees the right to join unions.

Oh yeah, I forgot.   It's the Democrats that believe that unions are evil and overpaid CEOs are good.  What the hell.   When we lose our jobs or work at or below minimum wage, we'll all just sign up for our compensatory wages and upgrade our skills and improve our educations.  

The authors place great stress on improving American education -- a commendable and unexceptionable goal, but one that may do little to retard the export of our jobs since, as they acknowledge, it's increasingly the knowledge jobs that are going to India and even China. But then, Rubin was the guy who promoted both NAFTA and unfettered trade with China.

From David Sirota in Supply-and-Demand Solutions we get the following facts on the benefits of NAFTA and our great and glorious free trade policies:

Fact: Both political parties have joined hands in recent years to ink trade pacts that have destroyed the Mexican economy and created a supply-and-demand imbalance there. The biggest of these was the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) -- a pact sold to the American people as a job creator here, and an economic development tool for Mexico. But, of course, the pact did not include any provisions to protect or increase Mexican workers' wages, workplace standards or human rights, thus all it did was open up a cheap labor pool for companies to exploit.

Fact: A decade after NAFTA's passage, America is still hemorrhaging the good-paying jobs that NAFTA was supposed to create. As for Mexico, the Washington Post's report on the 10-year anniversary of NAFTA told the story: 19 million more Mexicans now live in poverty than before the pact was signed. Similarly, former U.S. Labor Secretary Robert Reich points out, "Mexico's real wages are lower than they were before ." And because NAFTA included no provisions to force companies to improve Mexican working conditions, jobs that were created in Mexico still pay near-slave wages For instance, the Associated Press noted this week that "Many young [Mexicans] have manual jobs on minimum wage of $5 a day."


How is free trade selling in Peoria??  Well it isn't.  Not in Peoria, Iowa, South Carolina, New Hampshire or Michigan...Aarrrrrrrrrghhhh.  

Iowa

As the caucus season heated up in October 2003, the Boston Globe noted just how angry many Hawkeye State voters were over U.S. free trade policies. "Across Iowa, trade is a bubbling political issue, asked about with regularity and great solemnity at campaign stops stretching from the Nebraska-to-Illinois border," the paper wrote. "Agriculture is king in Iowa, but union workers at construction sites and farm equipment plants ... account for one-third of the participants in the state's Democratic caucuses."  Four years later, the state is getting squeezed even further.  

South Carolina

"South Carolina is a microcosm of what NAFTA and free trade have done around the country. ... There's no denying that the textile mills here have really suffered because of free trade." According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, South Carolina has lost more than 71,000 manufacturing jobs since 2001. That a loss of more than one in five manufacturing jobs, with the textile and apparel industries being particularly hard hit from imports manufactured by cheap labor in China.

New Hampshire

Like other New England states, its manufacturing base was decimated under NAFTA and China PNTR. Since 2001, the state has lost more than 25,000 manufacturing jobs, or one quarter of its manufacturing workforce.  A 2004 study by the nonpartisan Economic Policy Institute found that industries expanding in New Hampshire pay roughly 35 percent less than industries that are contracting. That is among the largest gaps of any state in America.

But trade policies really get interesting with New Hampshire's large white-collar workforce. According to the American Electronics Association (AEA), the Granite State has among the highest percentage of high-tech workers in the country. These workers, once natural proponents of free trade deals that open up markets for export goods, are now learning that technological advances mean their jobs can be exported, too. As a recent AEA press release noted, "New Hampshire's tech industry has weathered a heavy storm," having lost 7 percent of its workforce in 2003 alone. That has left many New Hampshire workers fearful for their jobs and frightened of the kind of mass outsourcing that is being encouraged by America's free trade policy.


Michigan
I live here.  So don't even get me started on Ford, GM, Delphi, bankrupt schools, and houses that are taking months to sell at reduced prices because high wage manufacturing jobs are disappearing.  If you read Bonddad, you saw his numbers on lost wages and jobs.

 
Since I ain't voting for no stinkin free trader, I want to know how do the candidates stack up? In A Primary Concern Sirota says they shake out into four basic groups:

Ardent Free Traders:


 These are people like Gov. Bill Richardson (D-N.M.),who shepherded NAFTA through the House when he was in Congress; and longtime and loudly outspoken free trader Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), a proud member of the Democratic Leadership Council, which has pushed every major free trade pact in the last decade.

The "I want my cake, and I want to eat it, too" group:

.. the people who have tried to have it both ways but whose devotion to free trade orthodoxy has been well-documented. These are people like Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.), who supported NAFTA, WTO and China PNTR; Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), who did the same; and Gov. Mark Warner (D-Va.), who also supported NAFTA and WTO (though did not support the China deal), and reiterated to the New York Times in March that he is committed to free trade.

Mixed Voting Record:

The third category is candidates with mixed voting records on trade, but who have displayed a genuine interest in rejecting the free-trade-at-all-cost dogma. The only candidate in this category is former Sen. John Edwards,  (D-N.C.), who voted against some of the corporate-written trade deals that came down the pike during his Senate term, and who has made a class-based "Two Americas" message his signature theme.

Absolutely not, no way, over my dead body! ,

And the final category is candidates who have opposed all of the trade deals, even when that opposition has been politically unpopular. This too is a one-candidate category, and that candidate is Sen. Russ Feingold , (D-Wisc.)--a lawmaker who has lashed his public image to the issue by airing ads in his Wisconsin Senate races about his courageous stands against free trade pacts.

The Republican wing of the Democratic Party is not my party or my dad's party.

Again, according to Myerson:

What the Democrats need, is a project that takes as hard a look at corporate boardrooms as the Hamiltonians do at teachers unions. For, so long as our problem is at least partly American capitalism's indifference to American workers, the Democrats won't find a solution in the example of Alexander Hamilton or the muffled cadences of Robert Rubin.

 Is there any hope? Please let there be hope?  Sirota thinks we might be able to clue the beltway boys in.

As the early presidential jostling has started to pick up, some candidates in the first two categories like Kerry have made moves to address the growing anger over free trade. They seem to sense that trade--along with the Iraq War--could be an explosive wild card in 2008. If it is, the candidates in the first two categories are rightly worried, and are rightly trying to amend their records. Because if Edwards, Feingold or another as-yet-announced candidate makes an indictment of free trade central to their campaign, they will be tapping into exactly the kind of intense outrage that fuels successful insurgent candidacies.

The solution???
US! You and me.  Every time any politician drops into this site to raise money, peddle their spin, or just to say hello, we all need to tell them the truth.  We want homeland security and that means being self-sufficient as a country. We want to clothe, fuel, feed, and finance ourselves.  We want to produce our own goods, and there isn't any work that we won't do.  We want education and science to be our economic engine instead of war, and we want a Manhattan project to develop alternative fuels right here in the United States so we can stay out of the middle east and save our environment.  We are tired of how unregulated trade is destroying our middle class, and we want our manufacturing base back.  We want publicly funded elections so we can get the money out of politics, and we want the Democratic wing of the Democratic party to lead.  We need to give them a clue .  

Originally posted to dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 11:23 AM PDT.

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  •  I know this is lone, and I hope it is worth (12+ / 0-)

    the read.  I have three grandsons (8,10,12), and I am fighting for their futures.  

    When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

    by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 11:21:33 AM PDT

    •   I have three grandsons (8,10,12), and I am ... (1+ / 0-)
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      I have three grandsons (8,10,12), and I am fighting for their futures.  

       That's helps explain it, then.  Good for you.
       Thanks for the diary and I don't care if it's a lone shot, it is a worthy one, in my opinion.

       The way things are going, if you don't fight for your grand-kid's future, there'll be all the more they'll have to fight to regain by the time they're old enough to fight for it themselves.

       

    •   Long instead of lone - sorry... (0+ / 0-)

      When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

      by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 12:28:11 PM PDT

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  •  BLECH! (6+ / 0-)

    I have a very strongly negative reaction to these "Hamiltonian Democrats."  It sounds like they want to hand the middle class a pacifier while at the same time ensuring that the CEO class has unlimited access to cheap and exploitable labor overseas.  In fact, that is exactly what they appear to be advocating.  Awful.  How are these people Democrats?

    "We need a war to show 'em that we can do it whenever we say we need a war." -- Fischerspooner

    by bink on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 11:26:27 AM PDT

  •  Read This Exchange Please (1+ / 0-)
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    9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

    by NewDirection on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 11:56:07 AM PDT

    •  I did look at some, not all, of the links. (2+ / 0-)
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      Warner appears to be talking about  "technological" change.  This is not what my message on globalism is all about.  It isn't new technology, its giving away our technology and our manufacturing.   It is huge trade deficits and being afraid to stand up to China on the issue because she owns us.  Warner sounds like he is just repeating the same old chestnuts that the Pugs and the neo liberals use. It it what they used to sell NAFTA.   I am not afraid of change.  I thrive on change.

      When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

      by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 12:22:18 PM PDT

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  •  You're wrong on the 'absolutely not' category (5+ / 0-)
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    Feingold is not alone in that category. Two of your neighbors to the south have forcefully and consistently opposed these "free" trade deals: Sherrod Brown and Ted Strickland.

    Brown, currently running to unseat incumbent Sen. DeWine, led the fight against CAFTA and nearly succeeded. The vote in the House was 215-213. Here's one of many statements Brown made on the House floor:

    Mr. Speaker, in my State of Ohio, one out of six manufacturing jobs has simply disappeared since President Bush took office. That means that tens of thousands of Ohioans are out of work; literally hundreds of thousands of Americans in manufacturing have been thrown out of work. And it means something else: 30 or 40 years ago when we were in the midst of a recession, you figured most of those jobs, seven out of 10, statistics say, would return, people would get their jobs back. They would have temporary layoffs at a Ford plant, temporary layoffs at a steel mill. Seven out of 10 of those jobs would come back. Three of them would be lost forever. Other jobs might be created during a recovery.

    During the Bush recession and recovery, they are predicting now only three of the 10 manufacturing jobs lost will return, and they have not even returned yet. So we have this jobless job-loss recovery, when the President says his tax cuts are working. They may be working for upper-income people who both get the tax cuts and now are seeing the stock market doing a little better, only a little better; but they are not working for Ohioans who have lost jobs. They simply are not working.
    The promises the President made simply have not been fulfilled.

    Sherrod Brown also wrote a book entitled, "Myths of Free Trade: Why American Trade Policy Has Failed."

    And here's Strickland, who is running for Governor of Ohio, speaking the same day with Brown:

    I would like to read just one sentence from page 25 [of the Economic Report of the President], and I hope unemployed steelworkers along the Ohio River, I hope those who work in the pottery and ceramic plants along the Ohio River, on the Ohio and West Virginia side of that great river, I hope they understand what this means: ``When a good or a service is produced at lower cost in another country, it makes sense to import it rather than to produce it domestically.''

    Let me say that nearly everything we make in this country can be produced in another country at a lower cost. I was in Mexico about 2 months ago. I talked to a woman who works for an American company. She works 9 1/2 hours a day, 5 days a week. She showed me her weekly check, $38. Nearly every job in this country can be produced for less cost somewhere else; and the President's report says, ``If a good or service is produced at lower cost in another country, it makes sense to import it rather than to produce it domestically.'' Apparently, they are willing to give up the entire employment base of this country, anything to get it a little cheaper. It is a race to the bottom. It absolutely is a race to the bottom.

    These quotes, and others from different House Democrats, are in the Congressional Record, H543-H550, Feb. 24, 2004.

    Rep. DeFazio joined in the discussion:

    We are headed toward an incredible economic train wreck here. And the chief engineer, George Bush, who signed this report, thinks it is just fine. Because guess what? A few tens of thousands of people, CEOs, his buddies, his principal campaign contributors, they are all going to make out like bandits. The profits are up. Wall Street's profits are up. We are just having this little problem called a jobless recovery; jobless because those jobs have been exported. The means of the production has been exported. The industrial might of this country has been exported. And I would say to the hawks on that side of the aisle, in fact, you are exporting the capability of defending the United States in the future against adversaries around the world.

    I'm not trying to be critical of your great diary. Rather, I think it gives us all hope to know that Feingold is not the lone voice for the working men and women of this country.

    "There's only so much money a man needs. The rest is just for show." Mrs. Gump

    by VetGrl on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 12:03:47 PM PDT

  •  It always struck me.... (3+ / 0-)
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    ....as politically tone-deaf, if nothing else, for Democrats to enthusiastically support so called free trade agreements. Democrats wring their hands about how to win over blue collar white voters, who vote Republican against their own best interests. Well, if Democrats aren't really fighting for people's "own best interests," then they're going to vote their social prejudices. Let's stop looking for focus-group tested little ideas like flag-burning laws or bans on violent video games to save us. It won't. Republicans can always out-conservative us on social issues and can always out-hawk us, as well. But we have an opening on trade and other big economic issues (like health care) that we can and should exploit. Let's make some reverse wedge issues.

    •  Listened to Kennedy on Jon Stewart. (1+ / 0-)
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      They are so out of touch.  He said some good stuff.  I think he means well, I think they are all just rich people.  

      When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

      by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 12:29:21 PM PDT

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  •  Sirota makes his living (0+ / 0-)

    bashing dems.

    when it began with hackett as well that was when i realized it wasn't a principled stand but just a general hatred he has for the democratic party.

    •  Sirota is an equal opportunity (0+ / 0-)

      critic.  Anything other than that is silly.  Dems might, once in a while, be better than Pugs - but both parties are out of touch and have their hands out.  If you can't admit that, I don't know.

      When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

      by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 12:26:18 PM PDT

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      •  he's obsessed with democrats (0+ / 0-)

        has been ever since he tapped into the demographic of the perpetually outraged.

        •  no, but he sure doesn't (0+ / 0-)

          spare them.  

          When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

          by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 12:49:55 PM PDT

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        •  They are perpetually outraged because they (1+ / 0-)
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          are shut out perpetually despite having more popular views.   Very few like Nafta, but we had to have it anyway. MOst want Universal Healthcare, but the dlc won't support it.  Most want out of the war, but the dlc won't support that either.  If he were against all Democrats, as opposed to the out of touch leaders he wouldnt' be challenging them in primaries.  He would be a green.

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          by Stray Roots on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 01:02:18 PM PDT

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          •  he should just be a green (0+ / 0-)

            and get it over with.

            •  He is lot Howard Dean. Its his party (0+ / 0-)

              and he wants it back.  Me too, Bim.

              When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

              by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 01:12:28 PM PDT

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              •  it's not just his party (0+ / 0-)

                dk.

                •  Are you telling me that you are content with (0+ / 0-)

                  unfair trade?   I don't think you are.  I think you agree but hate to criticize the Dems because you are afraid you might hurt them.  Randi Rhodes is the same way.  She had Gary Hart on the other night.  As long as he was tearing up Bush, it was fine.  But when the Dems who helped him had to take their lumps, she didn't want him to do it.  They do have to be held accountable.  If not, how will they learn>?

                  When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

                  by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 01:18:08 PM PDT

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                  •  the point is for me (1+ / 0-)
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                    is it's very self-serving within their niche for folks like sirota and huffington to demand purity from a world that simply will never be pure.

                    and i'd be willing to say it's self-serving for beltway insiders to do what they do as well.

                    randi rhodes has been known to say.

                    if you're criticizing democrats, that makes you a republican.

                    •  Yep, I heard her say it, too. What about the (0+ / 0-)

                      saying  "You get what you ask for".   If you don't have high expectations, you don't get much when you win.  When you lose, you really fail.  I know nothing is perfect or ideal, but the Dems are a long, long way from either.   We do need to kick them in the butt.  

                      When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

                      by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 02:13:25 PM PDT

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                    •  I don't think (1+ / 0-)
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                      Not to put words in dk's thread, and I've been out planting flowers, but I think dk is asking Rubin, et.al., what do these proposals have to do with our lost manufacturing jobs?  I'm an Ohio resident, and I'm just the same - don't get me started on GM/Delphi jobs leaving.  I am also an Ohio teacher and why do teacher's unions get blamed for lost manufacturing jobs?  How about the CEO's and others who have seen this train coming for years and have done nothing to prepare for it?  Just a guess, but more big SUV's might not be the ideal way to go just now.  

                      Think what you are doing today. -Fred Rogers

                      by JanL on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 02:21:12 PM PDT

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                      •  And I am NOT (1+ / 0-)
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                        a Republican.  I've worked very hard for local and national Democrats over the years and it seems they and the unions (and management, for that matter) need to sit down and thrash out a fair trade policy just as a matter of course in this off-year election.  Call me stupid, but better now than in '08.  

                        Think what you are doing today. -Fred Rogers

                        by JanL on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 02:24:03 PM PDT

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                    •  They are trying to get their type of candidate (0+ / 0-)
                      elected.  There is nothing wrong that.

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                      by Stray Roots on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 05:12:03 PM PDT

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                •  but if you lose in the primary it is tough (0+ / 0-)
                  shit.  You should be loyal to the party then too.

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                  by Stray Roots on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 05:11:22 PM PDT

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            •  make primaries illegal (0+ / 0-)
              .

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              by Stray Roots on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 05:10:44 PM PDT

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    •  Just dlc democrats (1+ / 0-)
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      They are not the democrats, and they have too much power in the party.

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      by Stray Roots on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 01:00:09 PM PDT

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      •  hackett too (0+ / 0-)

        and he's not in the dlc.

      •  My feelings exactly. (0+ / 0-)

        No matter who drops by here (Boxer, Warner, etc.) I give my speech about the America I want.  I keep thinking if we keep yelling the same thing at them, they'll hear us sooner or later.  Ted Kennedy talked about publicly funded elections.  He said it was the only way - BUT WE Americans weren't there yet.  Ha!  The beltway boys don't have a clue where the hell we are.  This recess, they were amazed at the opposition they ran in to over "illegals" (- not Mexicans).  They are now backing into real border security.  We just have to follow the money.

        When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

        by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 01:06:20 PM PDT

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  •  Globalization (1+ / 0-)
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    the irishman stands defiant beating back the waves on the shores of ireland.

    the best you can do is mitigate.

    and of course many people can't tell the difference between mitigation and capitulation.

    through twists and turns of logic the simple idea of taxing corporations who send jobs overseas and giving tax breaks to corporations who don't... we're convinced it enables sending jobs overseas.

    •  You are a loyal Democrat. You and I have (3+ / 0-)
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      disagreed often in threads.  I don't think we can stop trade, but I do think we can mitigate it.  It needs to be fair - for real, not just in words.  No more Clear Skies that are really fouled with pollution.

      When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

      by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 12:31:26 PM PDT

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  •  I’m not an economist (1+ / 0-)
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    Nor do I even play one on TV.

    But I have always been perplexed at the entire idea of “free trade”.  If we look at trade agreements as any other treaty (and I don’t see why we shouldn’t), then the reason to enter the agreement would be that both nation states felt they had something to gain from the agreement – a win-win or no deal philosophy.  Based on that proposition it appears to me that when an industrialized nation entered into an trade agreement with an underdeveloped nation the goal of the industrialized country would be to open the market in the developing country as much as possible to it’s exports, while at the same time ensuring the inflow of goods from the underdeveloped country do not significantly displace the domestic workforce.

    If the above premise is correct, I don’t see any way to enter into a truly “Free Trade” agreement.  To do so would require the developing country to establish the same worker and environmental protections that apply to the developed country (in order to establish an even regulatory cost playing field).  A proposition I believe the developing country is highly unlikely to undertake.

    Therefore the best I think that can be obtained would be “Fair Trade”, whereby both countries agree to limit tariffs consistent with the labor, environmental, and government subsidy laws each nation applies.

    The above thoughts, of course, assume that the agents for both countries are acting in a manner consistent with the best interest of their populaces.

    I would appreciate the thoughts of any real economists out there professional or amateur

    •  I don't play one on TV either, but it is (1+ / 0-)
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      my understanding that that is exactly how trade agreements work with the European trading block.  If you want to trade with them, the other country has to improve its wages, environment, etc.  This country is just too corporatist - read greedy.  

      When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

      by dkmich on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 01:03:28 PM PDT

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  •  Clintonism??? (0+ / 0-)

    What you stated at the top of the post is something the forever maligned BC struggled for...as for your grandchildren...have them learn Japanese, because as that country grays their borders will open so that they don't become the land of the setting sun

    Free your mind and your a** will follow...the kingdom of heaven is within

    by EminemsRevenge on Tue May 02, 2006 at 10:16:45 AM PDT

    •  Struggled for? I don't understand. n/t (0+ / 0-)

      When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' - Theodore Roosevelt

      by dkmich on Tue May 02, 2006 at 01:35:59 PM PDT

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