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Star Spangled BannerNow the "Star Spangled Banner" has been translated into Spanish. The producer of the translation, Adam Kidron, argues that now the anthem appeals to a larger immigrant audience:

“The intention of recording ’Nuestro Himno’ (’Our Anthem’) has never been to discourage immigrants from learning English and embracing American culture,” Kidron said. “We instead view ’Nuestro Himno’ as a song that affords those immigrants that have not yet learned the English language, the opportunity to fully understand the character of ’The Star Spangled Banner,’ the American flag and the ideals of freedom that they represent.”

I say it's great that he wants everyone to learn about the ideals of America. However, there are plenty of other ways of achieving that goal. Creating an alternative national anthem seems misguided at best and subversive at worst. I do not see how this misguided translation advances the cause of immigrants or serves their interests. Instead it creates further division in our society.

Of course all this is a prelude to Monday's looming work boycott by some immigration groups. There are many ironies and absurdities surrounding this event, not the least of which is that these immigrants are fighting for their right to work in this country by boycotting work. Of course the anti-immigration forces are up in arms that these undocumented aliens (who according to them should not be allowed to work and be sent back home) are daring to stop work. Even President Bush got in on the act this morning:

He called on immigrants and activist groups to rethink plans to walk out of work on Monday in protest of congressional efforts to crack down on illegal immigration. "You know, I think it's very important for people, when they do express themselves, they continue to do so in a peaceful way, in a respectful way -- respectful of . . . how highly charged this debate can become," he said, in a Rose Garden news conference he called to tout new figures showing robust economic growth in the first quarter of this year.

God forbid the slave laborers walk out of their work and cause hardship for the slave driving businesses.

All of these goings on makes me wonder if it is time to ratchet down the rhetoric and the divisive behavior. The immigrant groups need to take a deep breath and realize that they are advocating that undocumented aliens who are in this country illegally be given legal status. That status is a privilege that this or any other country grants foreigners within its borders. As such, I would suggest that perhaps confrontation is not the best way to gain that privelege.

The anti-immigration forces on the right also need to step back from their saber rattling and wall building. It is probably time to realize that there is a neighbor called Mexico to the south that the United States must live with. Short of going to war with Mexico (dare I even mention it), a comprehensive solution needs to be found that can address this unchecked flow of immigrants. The solution to the immigration problem does not lie in building a wall but in removing the economic incentive that underlies this migration. That means investment in Latin American economies that make it a reasonable choice for the poor in those countries to stay in those countries.

Of course I suspect, as Polimom suspects, the situation may already be completely out of control. In that case, the only thing left to do is to let the lunatics run the asylum.

Also posted at my web site.

Originally posted to Mash on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 09:20 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (2+ / 0-)
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    seanleckey, kraant

    Gimme paw! :)

  •  divisiveness (1+ / 0-)
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    Dawgbro

    Instead it creates further division in our society.

    Divisiveness from who?  I would think having the anthem in only one language is more divisive than having it translated, allowing more people to understand it.

    "The most heroic word in all languages is revolution." -Eugene V. Debs

    by monkey6079 on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 09:21:18 PM PDT

    •  why? (6+ / 0-)

      Why is having an anthem in one language divisive?

      I am an immigrant and I will always stand for immigrant's rights. But, a national anthem is not the same as having bilingual instructions on an ATM.

    •  are you high? (1+ / 0-)
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      Mash
      What are the odds that there is not already a translation of the anthem into Spanish?

      Or even a recording of it?

      Hell there are translations of about everyone else's national anthems already, so why would ours be an exception?

      Look at the artists involved and the production.  This is a POLITICAL statement, not an educational one.  An educational statement would only require one studio singer and not a handful of major recording artists..doing the "we are the world" arrangement of the "Star Spangled Banner".

  •  The slave laborers you mention only insure (2+ / 0-)
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    Eddie C, dkmich

    that EVERYONE will have slave wages.
    If there is a beef it should be with the Catholic Church and it's NO BIRTH control policy which has people giving birth to kids they can't support.
    If you came home one night and someone broke into your house and then said they were going to protest if you dodn't gove them their due, what would you do?

    •  Hi Saul (0+ / 0-)

      I just thought I'd let you know that I made a diary out of a comment that you left in my previous diary.

      A 54-cent-a-gallon tariff on Brazilian ethanol!

      Thank You

      Oh and Mash, I’m Sorry for the intrusion.

      •  lol (1+ / 0-)
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        Eddie C

        since you are here, have a read :)

        •  Well, I just hope (1+ / 0-)
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          Wbythebay

          The people who have been living here longer learn something from Immigrant Solidarity.

          As we've seen from the recent Immigrant Rallies, demonstrations can make a difference. The American worker desperately needs that kind of solidarity before it's too late.

          What is needed is for the spirit of the immigrant workers to spread to the entire workforce of this nation.

          A one day strike! It seems the immigrant have already learned something from the Europeans.

          As far as the Star Spangled Banner is concerned, I don’t care if they write it in Pig Latin. Most Americans don’t even know the words.

          José can you see?

          •  good point (1+ / 0-)
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            Eddie C

            the lack of solidarity of workers is killing the middle class.

            When Boeing workers threatened to strike, after record plane orders and a shitty contract offer, I was amazed how negative the reaction of the general populace was.

            the local TV station reports on next weeks rallies with a warning that you might not be able to get to your favorite shops and restaurants that day, and traffic will be impacted. Jeez...

  •  This Is What Happens When Numerous Interest (6+ / 0-)

    groups stand to gain from keeping a situation unresolved.

    The one thing we won't see anywhere is a rational discussion of immigration goals in relation to the job creation rate, wage growth, and domestic birth rate.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 09:32:47 PM PDT

    •  too complicated (1+ / 0-)
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      BobOak

      its easier to rant and rave

    •  I think it's strategy (4+ / 0-)
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      sooner, hopscotch1997, dkmich, Mash

      Keep up the "racist" rhetoric, the "immigrant"
      versus border hoppers rhetoric and then rant on somebody putting together the national anthem in Spanish.

      It's ridiculous and you know the only winner will be big business with their slave labor agenda.

      I'm soo, soo tired of seeing diary after diary on this crap...but then again, cracking an economics text
      and doing a little reading on labor economics isn't considered "fun" like ranting and ravin' is.

      http://www.noslaves.com http://forum.noslaves.com

      by BobOak on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 09:43:42 PM PDT

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      •  Sick and tired... (1+ / 0-)
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        of rants about jailing employers who hire illegal immigrants rather than enforcing minimum enforcing wage laws.

        This is the right wing ATTRITION strategy cloaked in fake concerns about exploitation, as if the right wing cares about immigrants. Then they follow it up with false myths about illegal immigrants taking American jobs and depressing wages, which no studies support. What they really want is for American workers to be exploited rather than illegal immigrants.

        You stop employer exploitation by enforcing wage law minimums. Simple arrest of employers hurts immigrants. Amnesty is the second best way to stop exploitation, as it did in the 1980s and 1990s.

        How do you tell an oxymoronic conservative Democrat from a Republican mole or troll?

        by shergald on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 04:21:19 AM PDT

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        •  what math is this? (0+ / 0-)

          guess

          The studies are out there which, in consensus, economists do show wage depression.  You simply cannot understand them or objective analysis and from your many constant posts trolling me you have proven only one thing, you cannot comprehend basic math.  

          http://www.noslaves.com http://forum.noslaves.com

          by BobOak on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 11:00:31 AM PDT

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  •  the truth is (1+ / 0-)
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    Mash

    that the job markets in many places are inundated with low-skilled workers who would in a heart beat work off the books and un-insured (if that was the only option) just to be employed.  Further, most of these immigrants themselves see applicants turned away on an almost daily basis and are smart enough to know that there won't be a huge hiring surge on may 2nd with labor crackdowns going on.  

  •  Please read some labor history (3+ / 0-)
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    theran, seanleckey, Wbythebay

    as an immigrant yourself you may not be aware that the only reason we have basic rights in this country, which all to many people take for granted - 40 hour work week, paid breaks, child labor laws, worker safety, overtime, and a long list more of worker rights - is workers (and in most cases immigrants - legal or otherwise) protesting, fighting and DYING on protest/picket lines to improve not only their lives but yours and mine. Asking politely didn't work against the robber barons of their generation and it won't work for ours.

    As to the Anthem - who cares? Seriously, why is this an issue for you? They're not saying we have to sing it at MLB games or  NASCAR it might even help some Spanish speaking immigrants get a perspective on America and motivate them to speak English. Just as likely a scenario as your nefarious implications.

    Quotes from others express a mental laziness in themselves.

    by rudgrl on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 10:18:43 PM PDT

    •  about labor history... (2+ / 0-)
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      seanleckey, skippythebox

      First, about the anthem, I probably should have been more clear. It isnt a translation exactly, but an interpretation. The lyrics are quite different: "These kids have no parents, cause all of these mean laws ... let’s not start a war with all these hard workers, they can’t help where they were born".

      My point isnt that protesting is a bad thing. I am fully aware of worker's rights battles in this country and elsewhere. But, I do think this May Day boycott is counterproductive. It does nothing to address the real problems undocumented aliens have in this country.

      They are not demanding better wages at work on May Day, they are demanding legalization. That goal is not at all helped by boycotting work. I understand the goal is to show that undocumented workers are indespensible to our economy, but what it will instead do, and it already has done, is create a wedge between the hispanic community and the black community and fracture the immigrant community. Never mind that it gives the rabid right more ammo to hammer home their hate.

      Thats my point and I understand that my point may not settle well with my liberal credentials.

      •  It's all the same (0+ / 0-)

        my friend.

        Here in Colorado, not able to speak for elsewhere in the country except for what I see on TV, the great majority of protesters are the American citizen children of immigrants that are doing the protesting. They are afraid of their families being torn apart or worse criminalized.

        You grossly over simplify the problem if you do not believe that the protestors absolutely link a "legal status" with better wages, fair treatment, a better life cause i guarantee they get it.

        While not working directly in the construction industry I do work on the periphery and for every contactor "horror story" posted lately - being underbid by contractors that employ illegals - I can tell you 10 "horror stories" about immigrant sub-contractors getting stiffed by these "honorable" contractors that won't "hire" illegals but have no problem subbing out the work to them and then giving them the shaft.

        Do you seriously believe that the "rabid right" will ever be satisfied? Please don't base your agenda on what they think.

        Quotes from others express a mental laziness in themselves.

        by rudgrl on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 10:46:32 PM PDT

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        •  wedge issue (1+ / 0-)
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          mint julep

          There is a serious public policy issue here. Except that the Republicans have turned this into a wedge issue for the November elections (first by passing the draconian bill in the House) to shift attention away from policy failures in Iraq and elsewhere. In 2004, it was gay marriage. Some immigrant groups have taken the bait and are providing fodder to the right.

          Sometimes it helps to step back and think about whether what seems like a gut emotional feel good response is really in one's best interests. Being right on an issue does not mean you fight all the time. You fight to win on the issue so you pick your spots. By this boycott and other confrontations, we are basing our agenda by what they think.

          •  A wedge for them (0+ / 0-)

            and it's backfiring bigtime. It is the extremist Repub Bordermen or Minutemen or whatever the hell they call themselves and their ilk that are apoplectic over this issue. Sure there is a division amongst the Dems but not the chasm of the Repubs.

            As far as picking your battles - the House passed and the Senate was poised to vote on what you referred to as a Draconian Bill that would potentially tear apart and criminalize 12 million families effecting 10's of millions more - just exactly when would you fight back? On the bus ride back to Mexico?

            Quotes from others express a mental laziness in themselves.

            by rudgrl on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 11:10:50 PM PDT

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            •  as I mentioned (0+ / 0-)

              ...in a post on this topic, I don't think the Senate will ever pass a bill on this. You are right that the Republicans are divided and this will ultimately backfire. But, the way to make it backfire is to let the two wings in the Republican party cannibalize each other. Stepping into your opponents self-destruction is simply stupid. Its best to just get out of the way.

              The Democrats only stand to lose ground on this issue by these boycotts. It only energizes the Republican base for November whereas the fight amongst the Republicans on this issue demoralizes the base.

              •  I still don't (0+ / 0-)

                follow your logic. Where do you see Dems coming out and endorsing the May Day protests? Once again I think you're giving far to much credit to the Repub spin machine. the American people have woken, and with a 33% pres approval spoken. I sincerely believe you're worrying about a non-issue.

                And you never did answer my question, and whether the Senate would have passed the House bill in toto is moot - just exactly when would you start fighting back when your entire life, your family, was threatened? I know you'd politely ask for some mercy on the bus ride back to Mexico.

                Quotes from others express a mental laziness in themselves.

                by rudgrl on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 11:29:42 PM PDT

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                •  fighting back (0+ / 0-)

                  I know a little about fighting back having lived through a genocide of 3 million people and faining independence in the end. So, no I would not politely ask.

                  Dont' underestimate the power of wedge issues to drive house election results. 33% Presidential approval rating will not necessarily translate to wins in house seats.

                  Fighting back means fighting intelligently. The last thing undocumented workers need to do is show themselves as law breakers. The country is very divided on the issue of undocomented aliens. Polls vary based on how the question is asked. The Republicans stand to gain if they can turn this into a national security and law and order issue. Millions of undocumented aliens on the streets, far from showing political might, shows that there may be a law and order and national security problem here (whether real or imagined).

                  I guess that is all I am trying to say. And I hope I answered your question about fighting back. Check my diary from a couple of days ago for some perspective on what fighting back really means.

                  Finally, we are on the same side of this issue. I am just suggesting a different tactical approach.

                  •  Oh say can't you see? (0+ / 0-)

                     All the issues you raise have already been done. The republicans have already made the illegal immigration issue a national security issue. They are doing this because this has been their ace in the hole. But, as you can see from the polls that is fading fast. People can see that and the public approval for the Republicans has tanked.  I understand , the thinking, of "will they be offended? Yes, so what. The democrats have fallen victim to this people pleasing mentality. Poll watching stifles creative thought, bold thought. Just look at the Censure Resolution brought up by Feingold. A very bold and necessary move to make Bush accountable for the crimes he has committed. Yes, spying on Americans is illegal, inspite of all the spin. What did the democrats do? They tucked their tail between their legs and ran for the nearest exit. Thank God there are still people with balls.  Murtha came out and called the Republicans on their bullshit about Iraq. It did not take long before he was crticized and swift boated. But you know, it did not take because he had real integrity and it takes more than just bad spin to destroy that. People pleasing or "what will they think of me" is a real spirit killer. One has to muster the courage and do what one feels is right. Full speed ahead, and to hell with the critics.

                •  going back/fighting back (1+ / 0-)
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                  Avila

                  it's pretty irresponsible for illegals to put their families in such a position to begin with.

                  It's a bit like taking the kids along on a burglary and then, when caught, saying "You can't arrest me! That would be cruel to my Children!?!"

                  It's an irresponsible stance and a pathetic defense.

                  •  Crossing the border is a misdeamor (0+ / 0-)

                      It does sound harsh , when you think about taking the kids on a burglary. But that is not what we are talking about. I don't know if you know but hispanics legal or not, "family," is a very strong issue. Why do you think the parents work for slave wages, if not for their kids to go on and finish school, and on to college. The main path to the American dream. YOu would think the value of the family is as strong here in America with a 50 or 60% divorce rate. What is the saying? A family that prays together stays together. There are so many variations on families or marriages or any other issue you raise, that no one "standard" applies. But if the Republicans had not been caught, making all 12 million immigrants felons along with the good samaritans( we stil have those in this country) felons as well. Can you imagine the death marches to the borders. Or, if that costs to much they can be lined up in alleys and shot. Or if people don't stand up to these racists, how about concentration camps. It has been done in this counry before, or genocide with Native Americans. And we sure can't forget slavery of blacks for centuries. Surely a disgrace beyond comprehension.

                    •  hispanics=strong families (1+ / 0-)
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                      Avila

                      Do hispanics also have a third nipple?

                      In reality some "hispanics" love their families-some don't
                      some cheat on their wives(Catholicism be damned)-some don't
                      some are stupid some are smart some are nice some are shitheads....etc ad infinitum

                      Some are legal-some aren't.

                      Slave wages? When you come from the 3rd world into the lowest rungs of the first you are still looking UP.

                      One man's "slave wage" is another man's "Mucho Gracias!" and there is nothing stopping them from coming to claim that "slave wage" and that is why they come, legally and illegally. That and, let's face it, it's also become a "Tradition" to go north

                      as to "death marches, firing squads, and concentration camps..."
                      I am due back on planet earth amigo.

                      •  THE SOONER THE BETTER (0+ / 0-)

                        Yes, if only life were rational and clean and absent the bias and prejudice that infects this country like a plague. If you don't like Hispanics , admit it and all the power to you. Maybe you come from the nice neighborhood with the white picket fence and the sign on the lawn , get the hell out of our neighborhood. Of course hispanics commit adultery and kill people as well, and your kind does too. If only racism had been stopped a long time ago, but as I see it lives and breathes with a sickness that that leaves the soul bankrupt while the beholder rots from the inside.  Of course it feels good to spout off all the snide remarks and the stereotypes and the other insidious langauge that destroys all that come in its wake. Of course it gives the false sense of superiority like popeye eating spinach , and suddenly the skinny runt is turned into a Rambo. But,the more of this prejudice and racism is consumed, it eventually turns into the green vomit of the Excorcist.  Good luck , and may you someday heal from the illness that consumes you.

          •  I was considering writing a diary on this topic (0+ / 0-)

            It has Election 2006 written all over it. And Rove's fingerprints. It seems to me to be an unground campaign by hired operatives. It started with the email which is written in the same style/voice as the anti-gay and pro war/pro america emails earlier. It has moved on to LTE and gasp, horrors, our national anthem sung in Spanish. I haven't heard it but its probably beautiful and moving. I'm sure there will be a ratching up of the retoric. We'll probably hear about a Mexican mass murder or child rapist living next door to you next.

            The problem they have with this wedge issue(and you knew there'd be one-its their MO) is that nearly everyone I know is related to a Mexican immigrant, lst, 2nd or 3rd generation in the US. The meme that they are taking our jobs doesn't go far because most people don't want to do the jobs immigrants are willing to do. I'd wager they are working in your community and you don't want their job. And business certainly doesn't want to lose the cheap labor.

            They may stir their Pavloian dog base but everyone else is much more concerned about gas prices and dying soldiers. I love it when a Rove plan DOESN't come together.

    •  dollars to donuts (0+ / 0-)
      you will hear it played at events.
  •  The only thing to talk about here (5+ / 0-)
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    claude, mint julep, seanleckey, shergald, Mash
    is the fact that our jobs are being stolen:

    By rich white Republican men.

    They are the ones who are stealing our jobs and shipping them to other countries.

    There is no immigration crisis.  There never has been.  

    It is a fiction, like all the other fictions the Repubs throw at us.

    As usual, everybody is taking the bait.

    As usual, the GOP is hiring people to pull stunts like translate the national anthem into spanish.

    It's all bullshit.

    We need to concentrate on the ONE MESSAGE:   Yes, they're taking our jobs -- no, not the immigrants, the rich white guys who run the companies.

    The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer -- Henry Kissinger

    by theyrereal on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 10:26:09 PM PDT

  •  The GOP has to get their base to hate someone.... (2+ / 0-)
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    theran, shergald

    ...and immigrants are the latest victims. I personally do think that America has a problem with uncontrolled immigration --- I think every Western Democracy has a problem when it allows unfettered immigration. The problem is that not all immigrants share our values and traditions. The GOP is keying into that. The hispanic community plays into it when they demonstrate and translate the National Anthem into Spanish. We progressives shoot ourselves in the foot when we dismiss it as not a problem at all and when we miss the cultural cues about shared values --shared values ARE important. Deeply reverent Hispanic Catholics -- will they support Domestic Partnerships? Nope.

    The best thing they we --and the immigrant community can do is to lay low and on react to the taunts. The May 1st stand down is exactly what the Republicans want. That will keep the issue alive.

    If we knew what we were doing, we would have changed the subject by now. (We are actually trying -- gas has been a subject, Katrina has been revived as a subject -- we might be getting better)

    This isn't about immigration, y'all. It's about getting out the base by fueling outrage over a problem that is really number 327 on anyone's list of what to correct first about America ---way behind the Towering Deficit, the teetering middle class, social security, health care etcetera

    "I am my brother's keeper. I am a Democrat." -- That's your slogan, Democrats.

    by Bensdad on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 10:54:18 PM PDT

    •  I've been learning (1+ / 0-)
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      Mash
      that you simply can't believe everything you read.

      I know, we've all KNOWN that, but take the person who translated the national anthem into Spanish.

      Doesn't that play a little too perfectly into the Republican machine's manipulation?   I mean, the National Anthem, translated into Spanish, good God, what a button pusher, no?

      Well did you ever wonder just how Bush managed to spend $1.6 BILLION on what they are calling "PR?"

      That's billion.  

      I just came across this company called "Strategic Communication Laboratories" which will do this kind of crap for you.   If you pay them.   They are in the business of Psyops and propaganda.  

      http://www.scl.cc/...

      That's their website.  I wrote a diary about them today:

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      So any time you see anybody doing anything, well, you have to wonder if it isn't propaganda, bought and paid for, by our lovely Powers That Be.

      Gay marriage?   Remember how suddenly when it "became" an issue there were gay people lining up to get married everywhere?

      And how now that "immigration" has "become" an issue there are huge organized boycotts and protests and people translating the national anthem into Spanish and such?

      Accident?  Coincidence?  Or is it all bought-and-paid for?

      The trouble is, we just don't know anymore.

      The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer -- Henry Kissinger

      by theyrereal on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 11:20:10 PM PDT

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      •  a little to convenient (0+ / 0-)

        helps them energize their base

      •  Yes,.... (0+ / 0-)

        ...Rachel Maddow covered the company you mention on Air America. The Department of Defense has them on retainer. I think the strategy is to whip up gays, immigrants, whomever, so that voters will think that the alternative to Republicans is gay immigrants!

        The actual alternative, of course, is Democrats who think that the social compact is important.

        "I am my brother's keeper. I am a Democrat." -- That's your slogan, Democrats.

        by Bensdad on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 11:06:56 AM PDT

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  •  Oh say English you say? (0+ / 0-)

      I saw Bush tell the immigrants to sing the Anthem in English. This coming from a crook in the whitehouse. He obviously took the oath of office in english to protect the Constitution. What has he done instead. He has tossed the Constitution into the shredder and made a mockery of our Civil Rights, by spying on us, sending our soldiers to die in Iraq( AN ILLEGAL WAR BASED ON A LIE). The news you don't see on CBS is that a Lt. Col has been charged with prisoner abuse, in AbuGhraib. The higest ranking officer accused of crimes so foul that violate all this country stands for. What did Cbs show instead? How a spanish translation of the anthem that is "adding to the WAR OF WORDS." I personally think their priorities have run amok for along time as they give Bush and the Republicans a pass on the real damage done to this country. When they are afraid to show us the truth, they instead focus their attention on scapegoats. People who want to work(a four letter word) to some I can see.
       I am old enough to remember the civl rights of the 60's. I applauded from high school as the Blacks marched for civil rights against a highly racist country( it was far worse back then).The criticisms were just as bad. The establishment was in an uproar. But the blacks fought and won very important victories.( no white only bathrooms)
    I say Damn Right, march and be heard, and we all win even if that is not so obvious to some. These protest marches have no impact? Well the Republicans in the House , shocked at the huge protests , began to remove the "felony charges" from their bill and then blamed Democrats. Of course they are worried because they need a hispanic vote to stay in power.
    Will these marches bring out the racists hiding in the bushes? Of course, but they have been there all along. If it is not hispanics, it is gays, or abortion, or liberals, you can add to the list ad infinitum. The powerful never give power freely, you have to fight for it. And that is what the Immigrants are doing, and putting the liberals to shame, because the media has stood by, the democrats have stood by and some of us as well while the country goes down, and it is not the fault of immigrants but the fault of the powers that be that have driven the deficit towards 9 trillion dollars.  God , what all that money could do for America along with all the immigrants and more to spare.

  •  Another absurdity (0+ / 0-)

    is to get outraged over the national anthem being rendered in espanol when it was named for an Italian.

    America ain't Spanish, It's Eyetalian.

    Bob Higgins
    Worldwide Sawdust

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    by Bob Higgins on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 03:26:59 AM PDT

  •  Is Bush making a 180 degree turn? (0+ / 0-)

    Looks as if Bush is taking a second look at his law and order/patriotic base, sounding like the Jim Crow racist faction talking against affirmative action. The hard right wants a law and order solution, enforcement of the border and jailing of employers, because it is the only strategy that rids us of illegal immigrants by attrition. So when you hear right and left wing people talk about jailing employers for hiring illegals rather than for paying them cheap wages, it is essentially a tact to do what is impossible to do: round up 11 million and bus them back across the border.

    This was on MSNBC this morning...

    Raid rumors spark fear among immigrants
    Thousands stay home, consider avoiding national immigration protest.

    MSNBC
    Updated: 10:16 p.m. ET April 28, 2006

    MIAMI - Rumors of immigration roundups have prompted thousands of illegal immigrants to stay home this week and are making some afraid to participate in a national immigration protest planned for Monday.

    Though federal immigration officials said they were unfounded, rumors of random sweeps were rampant from coast to coast Friday, prompting thousands of immigrants to stay home from work, take their children out of school and avoid church.

    How do you tell an oxymoronic conservative Democrat from a Republican mole or troll?

    by shergald on Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 03:57:01 AM PDT

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