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Crossposted from greenmountaindaily.com
This is a radio show that will air at 5pm May 4, 2006.

Sources include Wikipedia.

Afterthought: The audio pieces are not the songs listed. They are produced composites I created from news audio and interview bits I found in a variety of locations. Parts of this are gleaned from Mark Urycki's WKSU documentary, including the brief narrator's voice heard at the beginning of segment #2.

TODAY IN HISTORY (TOP 5 AT 5)

MAY 4, 1970: THE DAY THE SIXTIES ENDED

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The Kent State shootings occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of students by the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The altercation killed four students and wounded nine others.The shootings were the culmination of four days of increasingly agitated demonstrations by members of the student body. The students were protesting the American invasion of Cambodia which President Richard Nixon launched on April 25, and announced in a television address five days later.There were significant national consequences to the shootings; hundreds of universities and colleges closed throughout the United States fearing similar outbreaks, and the event further divided the country along political lines.

#5 NORMAN GREENBAUM "SPIRIT IN THE SKY"

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Allison Krause was a student at Kent State when she was killed while protesting the

Vietnam war. The Guardsmen opened fire on a group of unarmed students, killing four of them, at an average distance of about 345 feet. Allison was shot in the back at about 343 feet, fatally wounding her. Allison is often remembered for her statement to one of the Guardsmen at Kent State during those days in May: "Flowers are better than bullets."

At the time of his death, Jeffrey Glen Miller had recently transferred to Kent State from Michigan State University. Of the four students killed at Kent State that day, Jeff was standing closest to the Guardsmen. He was shot in the mouth by a single rifle bullet. He died almost instantly.

#4 IDES OF MARCH "VEHICLE"

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Sandra Lee Scheuer (pronounced SHAW-yer) was 20 years old when she was killed. Sandy, an honors student in speech therapy, did not take part in the Vietnam War protests that preceded the shootings. She was shot through the throat from a distance of 130 yards while walking from one class to the next. She died within five or six minutes from loss of blood.

According to the account of a close family friend,

Sandy "was walking with one of her speech and hearing therapy students across the green. Neither Sandy nor the young man had anything to do with the assembly of students on the green, but yet, as an innocent passerby, Sandy was the victim of a confused National Guardsman's rifle.

William Knox Schroeder.

At age 17, Bill applied for the Army Reserve

Officer Training Corps Scholarship.

Schroeder was killed with a shot in the back.

According to reports, he was not taking part in

the Vietnam war protests that preceded the

shootings, but simply going from one class to the next.

His college roommate stated that he believed Schroeder was trying to flee when shot. "Bill was

332 feet away from the nearest National Guardsman, not much of a threat. He was shot with a

textbook in his hand."

#3 BEATLES "LET IT BE"

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I walked across the peaceful lawn

In Washington DC

to the monument for the fallen

and touched the names of those who died

victims of war

And the names touched me back.

I walked across the peaceful lawn

In Kent, Ohio

to the monument for the fallen

and touched the names of those who died

victims of war.

And the names touched me back.

Fifty seven thousand entries carved in the black granite ledges

page after cold dark page, the roll of warriors sacrificed

Cold to my touch-dark, dead.

Which one took my place?

Four entries carved in the black granite ledges

One cold dark page, the roll of children sacrificed.

Cold to my touch-dark, dead.

Which one took my place?

-Hermon R. Card

#2 JACKSON 5 "ABC"

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Sometime in the spring of 1999, I found myself on the commons at Kent State

University. I looked at the monument, I read the names, and stood upon the spot where a 14-year-old girl named Mary Ann Vecchio cried over the body of Jeffery Miller who lay dead, killed by a bullet from the gun of a citizen soldier who had turned his rifle upon the children of his own country, because they stood up in protest against the actions of their government which they deeply believed to be wrong. I have no words to describe what I felt. Many say, "My country, right or wrong." To which I would reply, "Yes. When right, to be kept right - when wrong, to be set right." And I remembered the five words spoken by Allison Krause: "Flowers are better than bullets." Some might consider that naive. I consider it eloquent and beautiful. Especially in the times we live in today, when dissenters are called terrorist sympathizers, and a commitment to peace is deemed traitorous. My fear is that what happened on that spring day 36 years ago today, could well happen again. When you reflect on this possibility, please try to keep in mind the simple truth that those words carry. It was true in 1970, and it remains true today.

Flowers, you see, ARE better than bullets.

#1 GUESS WHO "AMERICAN WOMAN"

American Woman, stay away from me

American Woman, mama let me be

Don't come a hangin' around my door

I don't wanna see your face no more

I got more important things to do

Than spend my time growin' old with you

Now Woman, I said stay away

American Woman, listen what I say-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay

American Woman, get away from me

American Woman, mama let me be

Don't come a knockin' around my door

Don't wanna see your shadow no more

Coloured lights can hypnotize

Sparkle someone else's eyes

Now Woman, I said get away

American Woman, listen what I say-ay-ay-ay

American Woman, said get away

American Woman, listen what I say

Don't come a hangin' around my door

Don't wanna see your face no more

I don't need your war machines

I don't need your ghetto scenes

Coloured lights can hypnotize

Sparkle someone else's eyes

Now Woman, get away from me

American Woman, mama let me be

Go, gotta get away, gotta get away now go, go, go

I'm gonna leave you woman

Gonna leave you woman

Bye-bye Bye-bye Bye-bye Bye-bye

You're no good for me

I'm no good for you

Gonna look you right in the eye

Tell you what I'm gonna do

You know I'm gonna leave

You know I'm gonna go

You know I'm gonna leave

You know I'm gonna go-o, woman

I'm gonna leave you woman

Goodbye American Woman

Goodbye American chick

TOP 5 AT 5 EXTRA: CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG "OHIO"

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,

We're finally on our own.

This summer I hear the drumming,

Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it

Soldiers are cutting us down

Should have been done long ago.

What if you knew her

And found her dead on the ground

How can you run when you know?

Gotta get down to it

Soldiers are cutting us down

Should have been done long ago.

What if you knew her

And found her dead on the ground

How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,

We're finally on our own.

This summer I hear the drumming,

Four dead in Ohio.

Originally posted to Nest of kestrel9000 on Thu May 04, 2006 at 09:29 AM PDT.

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  •  Murder. (14+ / 0-)

    I fully expect conservative pukes like O'Reilly and Limbaugh to parrot the conservative talking points that the protesters "had it coming."

    The reality of it is that: Krause was shot in the back.  Scheuer and Schroeder were not even participating in the protest.  And not a scintilla of evidence shows that any of the protesters were armed.

    What happened 36 years ago today was murder, plain and simple.  Any criminal avenues that haven't been exhausted should be pursued, and any still-living Guardsmen should be prosecuted for murder and civil rights violations, just like the killers of Medgar Evers and Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner were.

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Thu May 04, 2006 at 09:33:03 AM PDT

  •  One of the saddest days (7+ / 0-)

    This was one of the saddest days of my life.  I only fear that there are days coming soon that will make this one pale in comparison.  I pray that I am wrong, but it doesn't look good.  Bush makes Nixon look like a cubscout.

  •  Timeline on the 60's (7+ / 0-)

    From putting a decade of approximately 10 years around what was the Zeitgeist of the times, I’ve come to think that the 60’s started when The Beatles first appeared on Ed Sullivan in Feb 64 and ended when Nixon climbed into his helicopter after resigning in disgrace in Aug. 74.  

    'Events are in the saddle and ride mankind.' Emerson

    by deepsouthdoug on Thu May 04, 2006 at 09:39:21 AM PDT

    •  Seems that way to me, too. (6+ / 0-)

      "Between the Beatles first appearance until Nixon resigned" tells so much more than "late-'60s and early '70s." It tells that the people did something!

      The fat cats didn't like it, though, and they've been after us every waking hour since then. They've taken a media word, given it ghastly connotations, applied it to us, and used it to arouse the repressed, alienated religious right. I could go on, but I won't.

      Impeach NOW!

      •  The end is subjective (2+ / 0-)
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        I've had people say the 60's ended with Manson's Helter Skelter and Altamont.  These were events that symbolized an internal pathology that came out of the peace and love generation.  Just another way of looking at it.  

        But some of the biggest protests came after Kent State.  

        'Events are in the saddle and ride mankind.' Emerson

        by deepsouthdoug on Thu May 04, 2006 at 10:17:52 AM PDT

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    •  In history class..... (5+ / 0-)

      the 60's began with the assination of JFK in 1963 and kestrel9000 is correct that the 60's ended on May 4, 1970 at Kent State because it ended the  innocence of many who believed they could change the "establishment."  Here we are 36 years later and the power structure in America is worse than it was in 1970.

      Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.--Dr. Seuss

      by sweettp2063 on Thu May 04, 2006 at 09:57:42 AM PDT

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      •  Look at your Billboard charts, too. (4+ / 0-)

        The music began to change after that. Protest songs began to be replaced by stuff like "Fire and Rain" "Make It With You", etc. White lace and promises; a kiss for luck and we're on our way. .....ooh, child, things are gonna get easier, ooh, child, things'll be brighter.......
        Number one on July 25, 1970:

        Why do birds suddenly appear
        Every time you are near?
        Just like me, they long to be
        Close to you.

        Why do stars fall down from the sky
        Every time you walk by?
        Just like me, they long to be
        Close to you.

        On the day that you were born
        The angels got together
        And decided to create a dream come true
        So they sprinkled moon dust in your hair of gold
        And starlight in your eyes of blue.

        That is why all the girls in town
        Follow you all around.
        Just like me, they long to be
        Close to you.

        On the day that you were born
        The angels got together
        And decided to create a dream come true
        So they sprinkled moon dust in your hair of gold
        And starlight in your eyes of blue.

        That is why all the girls in town
        Follow you all around.
        Just like me, they long to be
        Close to you.
        Just like me (Just like me)
        They long to be
        Close to you.

        And I'd have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.(-8.50\-7.13)

        by kestrel9000 on Thu May 04, 2006 at 10:08:22 AM PDT

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        •  Being a 19 year at the time I'll say (4+ / 0-)

          There was a lot of great music at that time. Music back then was that you could have Close to Me #1 on week, and War #1 the next week.  What was on the music chart at anyone time was always very diverse.  

          http://macpro.freeshell.org/...

          'Events are in the saddle and ride mankind.' Emerson

          by deepsouthdoug on Thu May 04, 2006 at 10:24:52 AM PDT

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        •  We've Only Just Begun. . . (5+ / 0-)

          You quote some of the words from that little ditty, which it should be remembered, was actually written for an ad campaign for a California bank before making it as a Top 40 hit.  

          And who from California who was in college at the time can forget that our then governor, Ronnie Rayguns didn't even let us start to protest, he preemptively closed all the state schools.  (What is it about Repuglicans and preemption?) I will never forget the sight of my school with CHP officers armed with shot guns in all the entrances to the parking lots.  

          •  wrong song (1+ / 0-)
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            kestrel9000

            The song quoted above was Burt Bacharach and Hal David's "Close To You", which in a version by the Carpenters (ewwww) topped Billboard.  "We've Only Just Begun" is the one that had its beginnings in the ad campaign, which featured a newlywed couple (which is why that song was so over-performed at weddings thereafter).  It's a completely different song by different composers, but also recorded by the Carpenters (with the requisite saccharine).  

            •  What she's referring to (0+ / 0-)

              is the "White Lace and Promises" line I quoted before the "Close To You" lyrix that I blockquoted.
              That is from "We've Only Just Begun."
              The Carpenters were...seminal, if you'll pardon the expression. They were kind of an indicator.
              In this particular diary (as opposed to recent tendencies in my daily music/history posts in C&J) I've tried to avoid value judgements on the music.
              But I must confess to a soft spot for the Carpenters. I guess I'm a bit of a sap. :)

              And I'd have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.(-8.50\-7.13)

              by kestrel9000 on Fri May 05, 2006 at 03:29:47 PM PDT

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              •  Oh, I see...sorry, my bad (1+ / 0-)
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                I just re-read the post and understood.  

                I won't call you a sap for liking the Carpenters, since nostalgia for our youth plays a critical role in the music we remember.  For me, "back in the day" means the 70s, and there are surely quite a few tracks that I liked at that time, but which would embarrass me to own up to today.  And yet, I still have a soft spot for some of those records.  

                The Carpenters, however, were not among them.  To me, they were anaesthetizing icons of the Nixon culture.  Their musical lineage was in those groups trying to create a "reassuring" (i.e. soft and nonthreatening) kind of pop in the late 60s and early 70s — The Association and the like, but even softer.  In that way, they were a historical extension of the "teen idols" of the late 50s and early 60s.  Barbituates for the Silent Majority, if you will.  

                Sorry, couldn't resist throwing barbs at you for that...take it all in jest.  

                •  Ain't no thing (1+ / 0-)
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                  Big River Bandido

                  but a chicken wing.....and I think we actually agree more than we disagree.
                  Wifey and I were talking about this....we were listening to the Carpenters, in fact, and she called them "comfort food."
                  That's why I see a link between that sound and 5470. That helped that change (James Taylor, Bread) kick in.
                  Kent State hurt us. We needed succor upon our wounds.

                  And I'd have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.(-8.50\-7.13)

                  by kestrel9000 on Fri May 05, 2006 at 05:21:52 PM PDT

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                  •  great metaphor (1+ / 0-)
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                    kestrel9000

                    "Comfort Food" is perfect.  But that's always been the staple of the industry, the Carpenters weren't really "new" in that sense.  Although their production level was certainly more intimate than what came before.  Perhaps that's the "break" that you hear in their music.  

                    But even the vocal sound of "Close to You" (1970) has its antecedent in "Sun King" (1969)...I guess that just goes to show how a great many groups made entire careers out of re-rewriting (or in this case, re-recording) a single Beatles song.  

                •  Value judgement (0+ / 0-)

                  separate from effect.
                  I'm just saying, for good or il, that was the head trip.

                  And I'd have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.(-8.50\-7.13)

                  by kestrel9000 on Fri May 05, 2006 at 05:25:41 PM PDT

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                •  But Don't Forget. . . (0+ / 0-)

                  That the Association did a little ditty entitled "Along Comes Mary".  I'm going to date myself here, but I was a member of the Association Admiration Aggragation - and remember when they actually did a school sponsored concert at my high school and the laugh we all had because it seemed the school authorities didn't get what the song was about.  

                  And back in the day how many people had "Never My Love" sung at their weddings.

                  •  'Never My Love' (0+ / 0-)

                    Actually, my siblings and I (all 3 of us are musicians) sang this for our cousin's wedding in 2004.  By request, no less!

                    I've seen the title "Along Comes Mary" in print, but never actually heard the song.  And I never even thought twice about it until reading your comment just now, when I got the distinct sense that you were trying to supress giggles while writing.  Would this "Mary" perhance be the same famous and loving metaphorical girl celebrated in songs like "I Feel Fine"?

                    "Read My Lips: this country's ox is in a ditch" -- Gov. Ann Richards

                    by Big River Bandido on Wed May 10, 2006 at 01:00:39 PM PDT

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  •  It seems like yesterday. nt (3+ / 0-)

    "At Delta House we have a saying:Don't Get mad, Get even." Daniel Simpson Day

    by irate on Thu May 04, 2006 at 09:39:37 AM PDT

  •  How many times over have we (12+ / 0-)

    heard people on this blog express the idea that the US has never been in as bad of shape as it is now, that facism has never been as prevelant, that the end of the country is over.  There have been equally bad times, and many worse ones.  But none of them have been the same as all the rest.

    Remembering  a time when students were shot in the back by our own government, on a college campus, should bring some perspective to the present day.  The fact that two of them were shot in the head almost seems as though there was a shoot to kill order given.

    Another very scary picture to me, is the one I saw years ago of the whitehouse completely surrounded by buses, parked nose to tail,  to barracade it against demonstrators.  

    The thing to be afraid of now, is the silence that is going along with the happenings in our country, not the actual happenings.  This has always been a boistrous nation, the citizens of which demanded their rights loudly, and knew that the government worked for them.  Where are our voices now?

    The Kent State Victims actually lost their lives fighting for a democracy, whether they were demonstrators or not.  OUr silence makes a sad commentary on that, and scares me more than anything else.

    •  I was at the biggest anit-war demo in April 71 (4+ / 0-)

      With the Capitol surrounded by buses and with Army troops on the ramparts armed with machine guns.  

      'Events are in the saddle and ride mankind.' Emerson

      by deepsouthdoug on Thu May 04, 2006 at 09:44:43 AM PDT

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    •  Silence (0+ / 0-)

      The thing to be afraid of now, is the silence that is going along with the happenings in our country, not the actual happenings.  This has always been a boistrous nation, the citizens of which demanded their rights loudly, and knew that the government worked for them.  Where are our voices now?
      The Kent State Victims actually lost their lives fighting for a democracy, whether they were demonstrators or not.  OUr silence makes a sad commentary on that, and scares me more than anything else.

      I came home and I found this email:

      Eddie,

      That was a very sensitive portrayal of the events surrounding Kent State.  As a veteran activist of the 60's New York City anti-war and civil rights movements,
      I think you took a chance telling the truth (telling the truth most always means taking a chance).  Thank you for this; we shouldn't forget what has happened, and we shouldn't think that it could not happen again.

      Nice going; your show today was a great credit to your radio station.
       

      Dr. E  

      Associate Professor

      James Madison University
      Harrisonburg, Virginia  22807

      And I replied:

      Dr. E,
         Thank you, sincerely, for your kind words.
         In today's political climate, with a news cycle dominated by the likes of Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and their ilk,  I am sincerely afraid  that such an event could indeed happen again.  As the objections to this illegal, unjustified war increase, and words like "traitor" and "unAmerican" are easily equated with "liberal" and "Democrat", I find myself increasingly concerned that not only could such an event reoccur, but the outrage and shock that the events of May 4, 1970 caused would not be duplicated in such a situation.
         The current administration and the failure of the media to exercise its responsibility to inform the people of this country (Fox News) has desensitized the "collective mindset" (to the extent that such a thing exists) to a degree that I find deeply frightening.
      (wingnut boss) related to me this morning a bit he had done on the air about the fact that a large percentage of American high school students could not locate the state of New York on a map of the United States. I responded with the opinion that most if not all of those same young people could tell you in an instant who got voted off American Idol last night.
         The day before yesterday, I found myself behind a pickup truck on 11 decorated with about a dozen right-wing, jingoistic bumperstickers. One was patterned after the Bush/Cheney campaign sticker, and it read: "Either you're with Bush, or you're with the terrorists."
      My blood ran cold.

         "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

         "Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
         May 7, 1918

      I was transferred  here from Vermont in late June. it's been quite the reality check. Only thing is, I don't think I like this reality.
      I am incapable of remaining silent. I feel compelled to speak out, and today's historical anniversary provided me that opportunity.
      I have blogged today's show with pictures and links to the produced audio. You can find the presentation here:

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      Thank you, again, for your kind and supportive comments on today's show.

      Peace-

      -eddie

      And I'd have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.(-8.50\-7.13)

      by kestrel9000 on Thu May 04, 2006 at 06:01:35 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks (6+ / 0-)

    Your post brought back memories of that horrible day that made tears come to my eyes.

    Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.--Dr. Seuss

    by sweettp2063 on Thu May 04, 2006 at 09:40:47 AM PDT

  •  Keep in mind that Bush didn't have (8+ / 0-)

    anything in common with the demonstrators, then the same as now.  

    He was a clean shaven, preppy boy that did not want to be associated with anyone looking like these college students.  At the same time, he didn't want to go to VietNam either.  But then he didn't have to fight for his life in the streets, 'cause his daddy would save him and keep him somewhere safe while the dispicable "hippie drug takers" were out there scared to death.  The type of fear felt by these members of his generation, never touched him, never carved out a place inside of him where empathy and understanding and appreciation for others hurt could come and live.  Pain and fear builds character.  And Bush doesn't have much of either.

    His disdain for the counter culture and the peace movement of that time has often been talked about.  He has carried that same kind of disdain along with him to this period, but expanded it to anyone who isn't on his side of the issues whether they are in the streets or not.  Even his loyalty oaths at public appearances are his attempt to stay away from associating with the unclean liberal hippie types.

  •  That moment echos (8+ / 0-)

    as do the murders of MLK and JFK and RFK.

    Hey conservatives, we do not hate America.  We love America and so want it to be better.

    That is why we speak up when see something is wrong.  That is why we stand up against unnecessary killing and suffering.  That is why we want dignity for all people including women and gay and minority folks.

    1 2 3 4 We don't want your stinking war

  •  I remember what I was doing on May 4, 1970 (8+ / 0-)

    I was back in the states, fresh back in fact but soon to go over again.

    We heard there was a shooting back in the states involving the Guard vs Students.

    A few guys cursed the hippies, yet I began asking "WTF is going on?"  I wasn't alone by a long shot.  Few of us thought this was a good thing.  But, I would soon have orders for Thailand, so thoughts of lovely Thai women and being away from the chickenshit in the states preoccupied my thoughts.

    It wasn't until after I got out that I realized all I had missed by joining the Service.

    Joining up never made me feel ashamed.....what bothered me was that the whole Vietnam fiasco was premised on a lie pushed forward by paranoids.

    This is why Iraq falls so heavily on the minds of Vietnam and Vietnam era veterans.  The paranoids and militarists have done it again, and this time they REALLY gummed up the works!  

  •  Question (6+ / 0-)

    36 is not a "milestone" anniversary.

    Why is Kent State on our minds today?

    Is it because we find it easier than ever before to imagine it happening again...?

    -------------------------------------------------------
    Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

    by SFOrange on Thu May 04, 2006 at 10:10:06 AM PDT

    •  Exactly right. (5+ / 0-)

      Especially in the times we live in today, when dissenters are called terrorist sympathizers, and a commitment to peace is deemed traitorous. My fear is that what happened on that spring day 36 years ago today, could well happen again. When you reflect on this possibility, please try to keep in mind the simple truth that those words carry. It was true in 1970, and it remains true today.

      Flowers, you see, ARE better than bullets.

      And I'd have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.(-8.50\-7.13)

      by kestrel9000 on Thu May 04, 2006 at 10:11:14 AM PDT

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    •  every year (2+ / 0-)
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      after it happened is a milestone. I was out of the country when it happened...and only 15 but I remember it as an event that changed a lot of things, especially about the war. How could this happen in the United States of America?

    •  it's always on my mind (1+ / 0-)
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      But you're right, this wouldn't normally be considered a "big" anniversary. I think it's on people's minds a lot because, if you lived through that time, you see lots of eerie parallels with the mood of the country today. To be honest, I'm just waiting for the next Kent State to happen. I'll be astonished if it doesn't.

      We need not stride resolutely towards catastrophe, merely because those are the marching orders. -- Noam Chomsky

      by kainah on Thu May 04, 2006 at 02:08:01 PM PDT

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  •  If that were today (3+ / 0-)
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    Clear Channel would have banned CSNY from the radio.

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    by DemDachshund on Thu May 04, 2006 at 10:31:39 AM PDT

  •  I was a first grader IN KENT OHIO. (4+ / 0-)

    I blogged about this over at my place.  Thanks for remembering.  That audio is a fine tribute, far better than the University is doing.  "Rememberance Day" at KSU means no classes from NOON to TWO.  And the peace rally (bring your dog, I've been to these before) starts at two o'clock, so if you've got a 2:00 class I guess you're SOL.  

    http://bgalrstate.blogspot.com

    by Blue Gal on Thu May 04, 2006 at 10:41:46 AM PDT

  •  Great diary... (4+ / 0-)
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    I am glad you found the KSU audio documentary useful. It always helps to add another dimension to the written word. After all these years, when I hear those gunshots my blood runs cold, my skin crawls, and my heart breaks. You've added another dimension. Good job.

  •  Flowers are better than bullets (1+ / 0-)
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    It is eloquent.

    but you know that it would never get said today except maybe sarcastically on south park to make fun of liberals.  Not that I would put it past them to do a show making fun of these dead kids and making it out to be their fault.  I shoudln't give them ideas.  

    My generation (thirtysomethings) neverending contribution to the world... shitting on the idea of peace and making fun of people who stood up for what is right.

    End of pissy tangent.  I didn't sleep well last night.  Forgive me.

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    by DemDachshund on Thu May 04, 2006 at 10:51:34 AM PDT

  •  A man I knew in grad school (2+ / 0-)
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    was a stringer for  national news wire servic e(I think AP) from Kent State. He wrote osme of the first stories--and knew he was risking his life to cover it.  

    Saul was an incredible guy. Later, he smiled torah into RUssia for Russian Jews. We could sue more like him in the media.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Thu May 04, 2006 at 10:55:22 AM PDT

  •  these kids were older than me (3+ / 0-)
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    they should be in their fifties now with grandchildren, or just retiring from a long career in education or law or medicine. Instead they are just kids shot down for nothing.

  •  Jeff Miller on the Vietnam Wall (2+ / 0-)
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    I've always thought those kids deserve to have their names on the Vietnam Wall. And, in fact, the name "Jeff Miller" is on the wall. I looked it up once, just out of curiosity. There were, I think, 3 variations of it. Two have Jeffrey (MI) Miller and the middle initial is not G., as was the Kent State victim's. But there is one that is just JEFF MILLER. I have a picture of it but it's on another computer, not uploaded to the web and, well, I'm just too damned tired right now to go to all that effort to prove the truth of what I just told you.

    So, you'll just have to trust me on it. (Or check for yourself!)

    We need not stride resolutely towards catastrophe, merely because those are the marching orders. -- Noam Chomsky

    by kainah on Thu May 04, 2006 at 02:12:35 PM PDT

  •  another picture for you (2+ / 0-)
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    Because Jeff Miller hated the picture that you've posted. It was his high school senior picture -- and who of us don't hate that picture of ourselves? But when Jeff died, it was the one of the only photos Jeff's mother had of him since his parents had divorced not long before and his father kept most of the family pix. So Elaine gave Jeff's senior picture to the press and that's what always appears.

    But a few weeks after the killings, Elaine got a picture of Jeff, taken on May 2, 1970, in the mail from a friend of his. For years, she held it closely, afraid that if she took it to get copies or a negative, it would be lost. I finally convinced her in the early 80s to take it somewhere where they'd agree to do the work while she waited. She did and my reward was a copy of that photo.

    Here, then, is how Jeff Miller looked 2 days before he died:

    We need not stride resolutely towards catastrophe, merely because those are the marching orders. -- Noam Chomsky

    by kainah on Thu May 04, 2006 at 02:17:15 PM PDT

  •  thanks... (1+ / 0-)
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    I was in tech school training in Texas with the Air Force at Sheppard AFB, Wichita Falls. I remember this so well, because I had my orders to go to Thailand later in August of 1970. After this incident, it was not comfortable being in uniform in public any longer. Thank God we don't do that to our soldiers anymore. They aren't to blame.

    Somebody please, K.O. this Administration!

    by onp67 on Sat May 13, 2006 at 07:50:55 AM PDT

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