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It's very simple, see? If you don't want your questionably legal secrets delved into, you deny security clearances to the investigators. And ... presto! The promised probe disappears! Magic!

From AP:

Security issue kills domestic spying inquiry
NSA won't grant Justice Department lawyers required security clearance

WASHINGTON - The government has abruptly ended an inquiry into the warrantless eavesdropping program because the National Security Agency refused to grant Justice Department lawyers the necessary security clearance to probe the matter.

The inquiry headed by the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility, or OPR, sent a fax to Rep. Maurice Hinchey, D-N.Y., on Wednesday saying they were closing their inquiry because without clearance their lawyers cannot examine Justice lawyers' role in the program.

"We have been unable to make any meaningful progress in our investigation because OPR has been denied security clearances for access to information about the NSA program," OPR counsel H. Marshall Jarrett wrote to Hinchey. Hinchey's office shared the letter with The Associated Press.

... "Without these clearances, we cannot investigate this matter and therefore have closed our investigation," wrote Jarrett.

This is truly an opportunity for House Democrats to show what they're made of. As the article points out, "Hinchey is one of many House Democrats who have been highly critical of the domestic eavesdropping program first revealed in December."

I've heard the arguments (of Rove and others) that the eavesdropping is a loser issue for Dems, but I'm not buying it. The Bush administration has made a bugaboo of "investigation," fighting every attempt to get to the heart of issues. We should be presenting this as a genuine Constitutional need to find out what is going on - and then saying we would be delighted to confirm, after thorough review, that yes, all is fine and dandy with how this program is operating and we can all sleep easy at night, yes yes, we can.

Investigations do not mean guilt, any more than a trial does. Both types of inquiries are simply attempts to get more information and facts.

People who fight investigations do not believe in their innocence. Those who are confident of the legality of their actions would invite more security-cleared legislative eyes reviewing this process and confirming to the public that all is above board, and Americans need to be reminded of this fact.

If Bush is so certain that Americans are being protected by this, let's invite him to share that information with Democratic surrogates we can trust. I double dog dare him to do so. If he doesn't, he's simply being ... an obstructionist.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:35 PM PDT.

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  •  It's like a sick joke (19+ / 0-)

    Nice work, NSA!  You thwarted justice by simply being too secret for Justice!

    "I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's homo-abortion-pot-and-commie-jizzporium." - Jon Stewart

    by Slim Tyranny on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:31:51 PM PDT

    •  The Administration That Obstructs Together... (7+ / 0-)

      there will probably be some promotions coming for this!

      Don't the flag-waving masses care about what the flag stands for? Do they even realize that when the Prez swears to uphold the Constitution, it's supposed to mean something?

      This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

      by Mr X on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:50:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Did you see this other sick joke (23+ / 0-)

      which I diaried last week? The parallel with this episode is striking. Sadly, the earlier sick joke has gotten far too little attention in the blogosphere.

      Briefly, after months of delaying, the Bush administration finally discovered a clever way to avoid giving Nancy Pelosi what she'd requested: a list of names of the members of Congress who (so Bush claims) have been briefed in the past about the NSA spying. The administration drew up the list, then classified it--and told Pelosi that she wasn't permitted to see the list.

      Here is the text of the letter that Pelosi sent back to Stephen Hadley, pointing out that this was absurd.

      I'd add that it's illegal to classify information for the purpose of helping people to avoid political embarrassment.

      Inconvenient News Doing my part to afflict the comfortable.

      by smintheus on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:58:18 PM PDT

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    •  Security Clearances (6+ / 0-)

      Here are two things the Dems and we could push for to defeat the evasionary tactic of security clearances.

      1. Form a congressional panel with sufficient clearances (many congressional members served in the military and hence may have the clearances needed) to look into the classification requirements being claimed by the administration on wiretaps, as well as to conduct its own inquiry into the matter.
      1. Demand a special counsel investigation into warrantless wiretaps, with suitable clearances being granted for the investigation, and operating in the FISA court, if necessary.

      We should remember that the members of the FISA court should have decent clearances already, given the nature of their work.

      And that Fitzgerald probably has sufficiently high clearance, since he is investigating the CIA leak case which, by definition, deals with many documents marked confidential. Hence there could be other possible counsels in DOJ who could fit the bill, but the Dems will need to isolate a few candidates that could be as effective as Fitz and demand that one of them be appointed by Gonzalez. Even Fitz may be a good option for a special counsel subject to  his time constraints.

      Please see these related diaries: one, two, three  .

      •  Need to know (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        macdust, NeuvoLiberal, greenearth, mlbx2

        These folks "hiding the particulars" would "need to know" your plan into the ground...

        The final nail in a clearance coffin is a failure to meet the "Need to know" threshold...

        Now I know this sounds crazy, cause an application for a confidential or secret clearance states that very fact; I have a need to know, so please process me, and clear me, or deny me-

        I have been "cleared" two times, and denied once.

        "Need to know" was the basis for the clearance requests; period.

        I suspect "need to know" is being turned on it's head, and that is the basis for the denials and no one will receive a clearance, period.

        (Well,,, if your a cylon, and can prove your loyalty to party over country, you might be cleared...)

        ...we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings- John F. Kennedy

        by RF on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:22:17 PM PDT

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      •  Russ Tice's testimony (8+ / 0-)

        Whistleblower says NSA violations bigger

        WASHINGTON, Feb. 14 (UPI) -- A former NSA employee said Tuesday there is another ongoing top-secret surveillance program that might have violated millions of Americans' Constitutional rights.

        Russell D. Tice told the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations he has concerns about a "special access" electronic surveillance program that he characterized as far more wide-ranging than the warrentless wiretapping recently exposed by the New York Times but he is forbidden from discussing the program with Congress.

        Tice said he believes it violates the Constitution's protection against unlawful search and seizures but has no way of sharing the information without breaking classification laws. He is not even allowed to tell the congressional intelligence committees - members or their staff - because they lack high enough clearance.

        Neither could he brief the inspector general of the NSA because that office is not cleared to hear the information, he said.

        Subcommittee Chairman Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., and Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, said they believe a few members of the Armed Services Committee are cleared for the information, but they said believe their committee and the intelligence committees have jurisdiction to hear the allegations.

        "Congressman Kucinich wants Congressman Shays to hold a hearing (on the program)," said Doug Gordon, Kucinich's spokesman. "Obviously it would have to take place in some kind of a closed hearing. But Congress has a role to play in oversight. The (Bush) administration does not get to decide what Congress can and can not hear."

        Tice was testifying because he was a National Security Agency intelligence officer who was stripped of his security clearance after he reported his suspicions that a former colleague at the Defense Intelligence Agency was a spy. The matter was dismissed by the DIA, but Tice pressed it later and was subsequently ordered to take a psychological examination, during which he was declared paranoid. He is now unemployed.

        Tice was one of the New York Times sources for its wiretapping story, but he told the committee the information he provided was not secret and could have been provided by an private sector electronic communications professional.

        Don't forget whistle blower protections that Gore talked about in his MLK-Day speech.

        •  Well, I hope they're not using government money (6+ / 0-)

          over at the NSA.

          Because the last time I looked, only Congress can appropriate money and determine its use.

          And I hope that COngress is not saying to the NSA: here's some money; don't tell us what it's for.

          Because that would be an unconstitutional transfer of legislative authority.

          And I don't care 'How it's done." Appropriations too secret for Congressional approval are illegal.

        •  Incredible (1+ / 0-)
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          NeuvoLiberal

          Just when I think I'm numb to the constitutional violations perpetrated by Bushco., something always seems to come to light that succeeds in shocking me yet again.  

          So now Bushco. are using Chinese government methods against whistleblowers; declare the offender mentally ill, fire him, and dare the media to touch the story.  The next step will be to commit the whistleblowers to high security mental hospitals and force them to take anti-psychotics.

          Where the fuck is the media on this?  This is serious!  Bushco. are tearing up the constitution and nobody even knows about it!  What are we going to do?

          "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty..." ~Thomas Jefferson

          by Subterranean on Thu May 11, 2006 at 12:57:06 AM PDT

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      •  'Need to know' is dead. (2+ / 0-)
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        peraspera, greenearth

        Someone is playing games.

        The policy is now a bias toward information-sharing.

        Some old dogs are up to their old tricks.

        •  Not true (1+ / 0-)
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          greenearth

          "Need to know" is far from dead in the national security arena, and in this administration, there is certainly no "bias toward information-sharing."

          •  Policy versus practice. (2+ / 0-)
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            NeuvoLiberal, greenearth

            While the intelligence community should be treated with the deepest cynicism, it is the case that the official policy now favors a need-to-share posture within and among intelligence agencies and law-enforcement agencies.

            If the Justice department were really interested in investigating, it would invoke this policy.

            So this barrier is staged.

            If the justice department had gone to the same group with a counter-intelligence or "terrorist" concern, they would have gotten the answers lickety-split.

            And if they hadn't, they would have invoked the new policies, and then gotten the answers.

            This is a deliberate failure.

      •  A 10-Step plan to deal with wiretaps (8+ / 0-)

        that I compiled based on Gore's speech and with input from many community members is the following (I am sure this isn't bullet proof, but at least it covers many bases):

        A Comprehensive Plan
        for Holding the Administration Accountable on Warrantless Wiretapping

        1. Demand a special counsel investigation into warrantless wiretaps, with suitable clearances being granted for the investigation, and operating in the FISA court, if necessary
        2. Form a congressional panel to look into the classification requirements being claimed by the administration on wiretaps.
        3. Establish whistleblower protections.
        4. Demand telephone companies to cease and desist complicity with wiretaps and other forms of surveillance outside the purview of existing laws including FISA.
        5. Filibuster any bills that attempt to retroactively justify the circumvention of the law by the administration.
        6. Conduct congressional inquiries into the wiretaps (e.g. Sen. Byrd's S. 2362) as well as various other matters of administrative dysfunction (as in Rep. Conyers' HR 635). Sen. Schumer's S. 2468 is of interest as well.
        7. Dem leaders should make extensive media appearances informing the public about the excesses of the administrations and its attempts to sidestep the constitution, and soundly argue for taking appropriate actions to remedy the situation
        8. If the Whitehouse and the Rubberstamping GOP stonewall and shut out getting to the bottom of the NSA wiretaps, then censure Bush.
        9. Appoint a congressional panel to look into rescinding the 2001 AUMF (authorization to use military force) which the administration has been employing as carte blanche for endless war and from which Bush is drawing his purported "authority as Commander in Chief in time of war" to run warrantless surveillance and claim other dictatorial powers. This panel would consider the question of Congress taking back its Constitutional war power.
        10. Optionally, Draft articles of impeachment on Bush's declared dictatorial intent, claims of "unitary executive" privileges, which are instantiated by the arrogation of power on warrantless wiretaps.

        •  don't forget (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          NeuvoLiberal

          Consider purchasing alternative tools.

          (eg. your next purchase of home phone set should be a wireless with VOIP capability.)

          ultiamtely, as long as we keep having few gate keeper controling the communication, they will keep spying on people.

          It's that simple.

      •  Fitz can't do anything but what he's doing (2+ / 0-)
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        NeuvoLiberal, greenearth

        I read something that they are trying to say he has no authorization to do his mission as the special prosecutor (or whatever the title was). We'll be lucky if they leave him alone long enough to file his findings on Rove.  

        Not good...

    •  No Investigation...No Money. (3+ / 0-)
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      macdust, Jesterfox, greenearth

      As far as I'm concerned no further money for anything in the Executive Branch until everything has been investigated and all the Republicans have been sent to GITMO.

      If we can't investigate then we have to have a reasonable suspicion they are terrorists trying to destroy the Constitution of the United States which we are sworn to preserve, protect,and defend.

      Maybe its going to be convenient that after we take Congress back in the 2006 elections we won't have to bother with trials and or laws anymore.

      As far as post Bush precedent is concerned we don't have to really try too hard to find out all the facts anymore, just have a reasonable suspicion.

      As far as post Bush precedent is concerned they are all clearly quilty and ready to begin having their confessions tortured out of them and then held without rendition until its time for them to be murdered.

      Maybe that's the purpose that the warrantless surveillence and the Patriot Act were made to be used for.

      Live Free or Die (-8.88 -9.49) IMPEACH

      by rktect on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:53:05 PM PDT

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      •  But, then the terrorists win! (1+ / 0-)
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        greenearth

        If we de-fund the executive branch, who will keep our precious babies safe?!

        You shut down the NSA, and indeed the right-wing noise machine will portray you as a terrorist sympathiser. More sensible people who don't buy that nonsense will nonetheless consider you childish and petulant.

        Cutting off funding would sound like a great idea, but alas, as totally impractical and self-defeating as the wingnuts actively trying to bankrupt the government. The executive branch does useful things that we all need. We can't simply close it down.

        Remember, Gingrich tried that trick. Didn't go over too well.

        No stunts. We need instead to be the adults, have the courage to speak the truth, promise a thorough investigation by January 2007, sweep the midterms on this platform, and then follow through on the promise.

        •  Terrorists? (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          huskerly

          You mean the corporations killing the planet? If we defund the Executive Branch they won't be able to send our precious babies to Iraq, and give no bid contracts to Halliburton, and commit FEMA on us.

          The NSA is a terrorist actively engaged in war on the Constitution and Bill of Rights we are all sworn to preserve, protect, and defend.

          Does the right wing noise machine really want to defend an agency that hads lied to us and been taping every phone call in the US since 9/11.

          NSA has been keeping logs of who politicians and political parties call to raise funds.

          NSA has been keeping logs of who businesses are talking to in order to develop new technologies that the Republicans cronies might want to steal.

          NSA has been keeping logs of who investigative reporters talk to.

          NSA has been keeping logs of every dial up internet connection and connect6ing the dots with packet sniffing behavioral analysis.

          Live Free or Die (-8.88 -9.49) IMPEACH

          by rktect on Thu May 11, 2006 at 05:40:40 AM PDT

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    •  This is unbelievable! (2+ / 0-)
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      Subterranean, greenearth

      Guys, I'm getting scared, and it's only just begun.

      I don't think it's a joke... it's truly the age of destruction.  I think it's time for those who can to go to the store and head for the mountains.  I'm ready, but I don't have any land or a house.  

      I'm serious and hope you don't think I'm a nut case.  I am just getting the feeling that it's going to become a place that we can't even comprehend.

      Hope I'm wrong...

  •  'Nixon is Dead, (7+ / 0-)

    Long live Nixon."

    "I was Rambo in the disco. I was shootin' to the beat. When they burned me in effigy. My vacation was complete." Neil Young. Mideast Vacation.

    by Mike S on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:32:31 PM PDT

    •  It took 2 AGs to resign... (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Mike S, Jesterfox, greenearth

      ...rather than carry out Nixon's order to fire the independent counsel.

      So, can't the DOJ aassign new lawyers to the investigation and see if they can get clearance? Will the NSA keep denying every lawyer that's appointed?

      Better yet, appoint lawyers who already have clearance.

      This, of course, assumes the DOJ actually wants to investigate. I guess if they did, they wouldn't have shut it down.

  •  mickeypaw got this ... (4+ / 0-)
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    macdust, TexDem, Ky DEM, greenearth

    earlier
    Good to see it front and center.

    Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one. - A.J. Liebling

    by va dare on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:33:12 PM PDT

  •  Excellent presentation (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    macdust, TexDem, Ky DEM, greenearth

    Especially how Dems can really do good by this one.

    Phillybits - A Showcase Of Political News And Thought

    by Stand Strong on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:33:40 PM PDT

  •  A probe won't happen... (23+ / 0-)

    Until either Congress threatens to cut all funding for NSA, or the President is replaced.  It's really that simple, and both options rely on Congress.

    However, that doesn't mean that the Dems can't use this, and they'll be on the side of the angels doing so.

  •  Aren't they just trying to create (15+ / 0-)

    a Catch-22?

    Can we say coverup?  There has to be someone who is allowed to investigate, otherwise you might as well tear up the Constitution...

    •  Oh, they could tell the investigators... (5+ / 0-)

      ...but then they'd have to kill them.

      It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. -- William G. McAdoo (-5.88/-5.23)

      by Shadan7 on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:45:45 PM PDT

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    •  Constitution Toilet paper (4+ / 0-)

      Bu$hCo uses the Constitution as toilet paper to wipe his ass.

      "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees"

      by Blutodog on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:52:15 PM PDT

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      •  Hey, that's a quote from 'Steal This Book' (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Darksyde888, greenearth

        circa 1969-70?  Only then it was referring to college exams or diplomas.

        A bit off topic, but very day I'm reminded of horrors we lived through 35 years ago and that are repeating, in worse fashion, now.

        It's becoming less clear to me how our government is different from a dictatorship.

        We need to let every Dem member of Congress hear from us on this, loudly and repeatedly. Have to convince thenm that protecting the Constitution is a vote-getter.

        •  I'm not sure of that. (1+ / 0-)
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          huskerly

          Is it? I think if you ask most people today to read the Constitution and then ask them if they'd ratify it in it's present form probably half would say NO.  Bu$hCo represents a significant portion of the populace that wants a Christian Republic with the Bible as it's law document not a written Constitution. This is really de-evolving into a religious battle of Christian religious radicals vs. Secular Humanists. Were back fighting the Reformation again only this time the wingnuts and their Cathoic conservative allies are on 1 side and were on the other. What's needed is to peal away the Corp. and country club Repukes by convincing them that giving the religious right what it wants ultimately is bad for business. I think that is starting to happen by itself.

          "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees"

          by Blutodog on Thu May 11, 2006 at 10:06:07 AM PDT

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          •  You're probably right (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Blutodog

            Although it pains me to admit that so many people would likely want to gut the Constitution.

            Your other points about the religious right strike very close to home.  I live in fear of their attacks on the right to privacy and separation of church & state, both for myself and the people I work with.

            •  Don't (0+ / 0-)

              Don't let these creatures scare u they're not worth it. FEAR and intimidation are their favorite weapons. Stand up to them they're a bunch of bullies and when confronted they back down. That's the mistake the DC DEMOS have been making in trying to be respectful and play nice with these people and their Preznit. They don't have any tolerance for anybody but their own people.

              "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees"

              by Blutodog on Fri May 12, 2006 at 06:50:13 AM PDT

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    •  Its one hand talking to the other (3+ / 0-)
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      peraspera, 3goldens, greenearth

      Both NSA and DoJ are executive branch. There's been nothing yet to compel the DoJ to take actions that might hurt this administration. And we are getting the feeling that if they did take action, it would bring down this administration. Its like you said SusanG, about their innocence. What is it the program's defenders say?
      "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about"

      So, time for another Special Prosecutor. Oh, wait didn't that law expire?

      The Place of Dead Roads
      "The City of Louisiana has dodged the bullet with Hurricane Corrina."

      by Dr Benway on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:57:26 PM PDT

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    •  is there an NSA IG? n/t (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      DaveV, 3goldens


      Meet the New Pharisees, same as the Old Pharisees.

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:58:47 PM PDT

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  •  BushCo- Obstruction Of Justice? (4+ / 0-)
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    TexDem, Rick Oliver, Paper Cup, greenearth

    Oooooohh, that has a nice ring to it...

    Republicans- Proudly Destroying the Middle Class of the United States

    by Ky DEM on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:35:25 PM PDT

  •  That's the oversight we're all talking about. (12+ / 0-)

    Just think. Next year, if we just play nicely and pretend impeachment isn't necessary, it'll be OUR investigations and oversight they're ignoring!

    I'll be so proud!

  •  This is just ridiculous! (6+ / 0-)

    Is it November yet?

    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

    by bluemajority on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:36:43 PM PDT

  •  This is one we have to push them on.. (9+ / 0-)

    .. this is a big story, we need to really push on this one.

    •  Pretty much... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      DaveV, greenearth

      ..do the opposite of whatever Rove and co claim to be "winners" and "losers" for dems. I suspect they dont have our best interests in mind. I think this goes for the nomination of Hillary too......the right and the media are the ones that started this grumble that is now a snowball. They are trying to set it up because they know she is totally beatable...and if she wins they get the equivilant of a Lieberman in office. The point is........do the opposite of what the republicans say.

      LEARN TO MASS SCREAM!!!!!!!!

      by Diggla on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:48:37 PM PDT

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      •  Agreed. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Diggla, greenearth

        It is only a loser if the Dems allow the issue to be framed as "Dems oppose wiretapping."

        The Dems need to be playing, on the floor of Congress, the tape of Bush saying "Whenever you hear 'wiretap' that means we'll get a court order first."  The Dems also need to challenge the nominee for DCI and the fact that he refused to answer whether warrantless wiretapping was being used to spy on political adversaries.  Tie this to Nixonian behavior!

  •  rove has democrats best interests in mind (3+ / 0-)
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    TexDem, jamfan, greenearth

    they got busted red handed so they want to spin it as a loser for democrats. it is a pathetic bluff and all they have left. bush is holding 8 high and needs to be called (out).

  •  Jeez, sounds like Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre (32+ / 0-)

    In essence, the Bush Adminstration has denied that its own DOJ has jurisdiction over its own Administration.

    Call it Alice-in-Dubyaland

    •  you nailed it (6+ / 0-)

      Do you think there will be any negative press for the WH on this?  I mean, there's got to be someone in D.C. that's come to the same conclusion.

      And BTW, of Specter takes this particular news up the ass, and does nothing, we KNOW he's all lip service.

      Withhold funding for the NSA!!!!!!!


      Meet the New Pharisees, same as the Old Pharisees.

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:01:33 PM PDT

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    •  YES YES YES! (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      greenearth

      This was the 'Wednesday Night Massacre' -- well, it wasn't so much a massacre as much as 'pulling life support' -- but the meme is dead on.  We need to emphasize that the DCI nominee refused to answer the question of whether or not the warrantless surveillance was being used on Bush's political adversaries.

    •  Isn't that amazing? (0+ / 0-)

      I'm reading the document, REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES - Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century from the neocons. I'm reading the entire website, but particularly this document, which was written in 2000.

      This mess we have going on right now is Cheney and Rummie.  Wish they would go away.

      It's happening just as they've planned it, but I'm afraid to get to the end because it may be THE END.

      Scared and reading...

  •  And the best part of this... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    joynow, Rick Oliver, greenearth

    is that given his approval is in the toilet, even on fighting terror, there's no way that Americans will believe that this is all about protecting America. Okay, so I said "no way Americans will believe". That's a bit strong, since somewhere around half of us (not Kos US of course) think that Saddam did 9/11. A fella can dream can't he.

    •  It would help (5+ / 0-)

      if we had been questioning it louder and more clearly from the start. It had almost become a non-issue before Feingold brought up Censure because of it.

      They say 52% of Americans are OK with warrantless wiretapping on terrorists. Well duh, people don't worry about the privacy rights of people who want to kill Americans (as they phrase it). How the hell do we know who they are spying on? Who knows the names? Who is watching that, who has THAT oversight? How do they define terrorists? How many are there talking to Americans and why don't they arrest them?

      Why can't they get a warrant within 72 hours if this is on the up and up?

      If Americans don't mind it's because we aren't pointing out the obvious.

      They have this wrapped in layers of secrecy. Who trusts them with that?

      Our party has not spoken up enough on this. The republicans haven't either, this should not be a partisan issue.

  •  The next time Tweety brings up (2+ / 0-)
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    the 'dangers' of not promising that a Democratic majority will not be actually holding the Bush White House accountable with the powers of that majority... trying to get the Democratic guest to refute holding this White House and its minions accountable... I hope that Democrat is smart enough to cite this wretched example of insanity before laughing in MSGOP's favorite Republican bootlicks face if he keeps it up.

    "Email is the drive-by shooting of the common man." -Richard "Civility" Cohen

    by LeftHandedMan on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:39:04 PM PDT

  •  When do the general strikes begin? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Q: Who will watch the watchers? (7+ / 0-)

    A: Nobody.

  •  Why? (12+ / 0-)

    There's been some indication that American citizens, perhaps suspected only of opposition to Bush, were wiretapped. That's what they're probably trying to hide. (After all, the FISA court would have approved any other wiretaps.)  Once this is proved, one way or another, well, it's impeachable. This is actually worse than what got Nixon to resign.

    What's scary is that we've already heard about Quakers and vegans (no, really, by no stretch of the imagination can they be connected to terrorism) being spied on, and civil servants being denied promotion because they aren't Bushie enough, and liberal churches being investigated by the IRS for political activities when far more flagrant offenses by conservative churches are ignored.  And the press might report on these-- once. And that's the end of it. And no attempt is made to connect all these different attacks on civil liberties.

    It is very hard to believe that in 1974, we cared more about protecting civil liberties... but there you have it.

  •  You mean (7+ / 0-)

    This is truly an opportunity for House Democrats to show what they're made of.

    Sugar and spice and all things nice?

    Sorry, in a bitter mood today.

    •  I hear ya (6+ / 0-)

      Some days (likethe last two since I have been in New Orleans) I feel this way. then other days I think, well, there seems to be hope. Other days I want to just hit the do-over button.  But somehow we'll all get thru. Hugs to you and I understand being bitter, trust me.

    •  I think you and Kagro X ... (11+ / 0-)

      need to go out and get seriously shitfaced drunk together.

      I'm trying to point a way to talking about this in terms that stays away from "Democrats are weak on national security." Trying to find a way to present this that will give them cover to push ahead hard on it.

      Probably hopeless, I know. But you fight with the minority party you have, not the one you wish you had.

      •  The frame Susan is that when the military (6+ / 0-)

        Gets to tell its civilian overseers to fuck off, a police state is here.

      •  Incompetence and corruption (2+ / 0-)
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        Spying on Quakers, vegans and sending thousands of worthless leads to the FBI. Outsourcing spying--Rummy bragged about it. Why would anyone believe that these fools are running our intelligence agencies any more honestly or competently than they run anything else.

        I've found that selling the incompetence meme is easier here in Kool-Aid land than the corruption. They saw Katrina on Fox and it connected at a gut level. Corruption requires some thinking.

        They also understand that data-mining is an imperfect tool for catching bad guys when it is explained to them in terms of Googling.

      •  Susan (1+ / 0-)
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        I am sorry. I know what you are trying to do here, and it is the Lord's work. I apologize.

      •  That can't hurt. (0+ / 0-)

        Of course, all I'm trying to point out is that there's no way out save the one I'm talking about.

        Seriously, what's the mechanism for enforcing the subpoena and oversight power we're all so anxious to get? I'd like to get it too, of course. But what's the mechanism for enforcing it?

        They walk out of the oversight hearings that even Congressional Republicans think it's too crazy not to hold. They ignore the requests for information that even Republicans think it's too crazy not to go along with demanding.

        What makes us think the compliance will improve under a Democratic Congress?

        •  Oh, I'm with you (0+ / 0-)

          But there's really only one step at a time ...

          Take back Congress, then bring up impeachment charges and other investigations.

          Of course, what's the redress if Bush is impeached and documents aren't turned over during the investigation?

          •  That's a good question. (0+ / 0-)

            And it's the reason that if he's impeached, it'll be for encroaching on Congressional prerogatives, and not any of the rest of the garbage he's guilty of.

            Not only is that ultimately the only thing that would motivate Congress to act, but it's also the only "high crime" for which the withholding of evidence needed to convict can itself be the evidence needed to convict.

    •  I sympathize with your cynicism and even agree (2+ / 0-)
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      with it. Nothing in your comment is off the mark in terms of being an honest assessment of how pathetic today's congressional Dems are.

      And I appreciate your bad mood today.

      But still (and you knew this was coming), I'm getting tired of so many people having nothing more substantial to add to these discussions than sarcastic asides about how pathetic Dems are and how hopeless the situation is. However true these observations and comments are (up to a certain point), they do nothing to actually help DO something about this sorry state of affairs, and really just help reinforce a collective feeling of hopelessness, bitterness and despair, which can only discourage people from trying to do something to improve the current situation.

      Sorry, I don't mean to single you out, and having read many of your comments I realize that this sentiment is far from what you believe in, and as you pointed out you're in a bad mood today. But there are plenty of people here whose sole "contribution" seems to be to made one sarcastic comment after another about how hopeless things are and how resistance is utterly futile. I'm sure that YOU don't believe this, but this sort of comment is in line with many comments that DO appear to believe this.

      We need to cut down on the "doom and gloom" stuff, and focus on what we can do to make things better, however hard that will be and however long it will take. That's what this site is all about, after all, and needs to continue to be about. I can understand the occasional comment along these lines--god knows we all think and feel this from time to time and need to vent it in the open--but let's not let this become too common a cry around here, or else we'll all get consumed with self-pity and defeatism. And BushCo are COUNTING on that to happen.

      Again, I don't mean to pick on you or this comment in particular, and I hope I haven't offended. But I think you know what I mean--I also hope.

      "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

      by kovie on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:03:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  And not to pick on you, but... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...other than tell us not to complain, what exactly did you add to this discussion?

        So what is your suggestion? Complain about people on dKos instead of those in Congress?

        Walk the walk, kovie, walk the walk.

        "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

        by Mad Dog Rackham on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:27:47 PM PDT

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        •  I think that calling for people to cut back on (1+ / 0-)
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          their complaints and redirect their energies to actually coming up with and helping to implement solutions was a sufficient addition to the discussion all by itself. But if that's not enough for you, perhaps you'd do well to read my other comments here and elsewhere on what we can actually DO to fix things, and not just complain about them.

          So what have YOU done to contribute to the discussion here?

          Talk the talk, MDR, talk the talk.

          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

          by kovie on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:34:33 PM PDT

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          •  I really don't think... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...that the way to reduce whining is to whine about it.

            As I prefaced my comment, it wasn't to pick on you, as I really have no idea what you might have done/be doing. But when something like this first breaks, you have to expect a certain amount of venting. But someone always has to post a "why don't you all do something!" comment. This time it was you.

            A simple "for instance" in your comment would have completely redeemed it. As it was, I found it to accomplish less than the snarky venting in other comments. At least there we get some gallows humor to smile grimly about.

            "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

            by Mad Dog Rackham on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:46:10 PM PDT

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            •  So it's settled (1+ / 0-)
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              Both the whining, and the whining about the whining--and, I'd argue, the whining about the whining about the whining--and associated venting, have run their course, and we can all now resume our unmitigated dedication to the tasks at hand--once, of course, we've had all our meta discussions about what those are and how to achieve them, and of course all the resulting recursive whining and meta whining about it.

              Snarky enough fer ya?

              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

              by kovie on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:54:28 PM PDT

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              •  SNARK THIS (0+ / 0-)

                Last time I checked this was not the DNC, or even my local county committee.  It's a fucking message board.  It ain't a damn thing more.  Get real.

                •  You are a truly clueless newbie if not troll (0+ / 0-)

                  if you think that this is just another "fucking message board", and not "a damn thing more". Have you paid attention to the kinds of diaries posted here, and the people posting them? This is not just the world's biggest left-leaning water cooler whose sole purpose is to provide people with the means of sounding off and venting. It is a SERIOUS blog for SERIOUS people trying to achieve SERIOUS goals. If you don't get that, you get nothing about it.

                  Snarking and venting is definitely allowed here, and so is the occasional goofiness, and I wasn't saying that it wasn't. But there's a HUGE difference between people who do this ocassionally, but whose primary reasons for being here are far more serious--and whose posting history proves that and have therefore earned the right to do this--and people who come here JUST for snarking and venting.

                  Again, if you don't get that, then you don't belong here. I'm dead fucking serious.

                  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

                  by kovie on Thu May 11, 2006 at 02:12:31 PM PDT

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                  •  Ooh...'dead fucking serious' eh? (0+ / 0-)

                    Newbie?  Troll?  Gosh, you must be CALLING ME NAMES?

                    So, now that you 'splained' it to me so good and all - I guess I have no 'fucking' choice except to 'GET IT' and get it from YOU.

                    I HAVE read the 'mission statement' for KOS, but I guess I missed the part about YOU being the 'brain police' around here.

                    Make no mistake about it (as if you give a shit) - I am a SERIOUS person, and I have SERIOUS goals.  But, even though you've apparently appointed yourself the final judge in these matters, I am reserving my own judgement about what a "SERIOUS blog" this is.  In any event, I will 'respect' the writers according to what I read.  As opposed to some political pecking order, or the 'tyranny' of the majority, etc.  

                    I do a lot of reading about politics and government, besides that which I enjoy here, and after nearly sixty years of life - I've finally learned to take myself (and you too) somewhat LESS seriously than when I was 20 or 30something.  Which is where I think we may have a difference of opinion, if not a difference of lifestyle.

                    In closing, I'd like you to know that as far as this web site being devoted to ideals of the Democratic Party - I would never have visited twice, if that were the 'price of admission.'  Fortunately (for me) the diaries which I enjoy and admire are particularly concerned with progressive or radical politics, and often are openly disparaging of the record of the Democrats.  Never mind the other party - whose name they say is derived from the river that runs through my state, and is at least as shallow and crooked.  

                    As a life-long demo who changed registration to independent this year - such is my point of view!  (Scuse me there, got carried away again thinking you give a shit about anybody's point of view that varies in the slightest from your own.)

                    p.s.  I'll bet you're some kind of big shot around here huh?  How's that working out for you?

      •  As you observe (1+ / 0-)
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        Comments like this from me are extremely rare. In fact, I'm always the one exhorting people to get off their duffs and do something. But maybe I do need to let off a good rant once in a while.

        •  As we all do (1+ / 0-)
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          I could have "picked on" one of the other comments here that expressed much the same sentiment that you did, but I thought that doing so with your comment, given your known positive history here, might make my point better.

          I.e. sometimes the exception proves the rule.

          I hesitated before hitting "Post", because my comment could easily have been taken the wrong way (and who knows, perhaps even deserved to), but I thought that you'd better appreciate it than others.

          We should all be able to vent and rant from time to time--it would be impossible to remain sane otherwise, and I'm personally mistrustful of people who never seem to get rattled--so long as it ultimately leads to action, rather than resignation.

          Meta thread over--dammit! ;-)

          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

          by kovie on Wed May 10, 2006 at 09:17:36 PM PDT

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  •  WTF? (6+ / 0-)
    This is the adminstration that ignored "Bin Laden determined to strike in US", and left the New Orleans blacks to fend for themselves. For them to pretend to care about security is absurd, for them to stop an investigation into this hour's latest scandal is fucking insane.
  •  The reason you can't investigate (12+ / 0-)

    Is the list of Democratic politicians tapped and monitored. John Kerry for example, but I'm sure there are thousands. Most of us too.

  •  Dictatorships behave this way (14+ / 0-)

    funny the Clinton impeachment was about the rule of law and an investigation that lasted years and cost millions..and this assault on freedoms can't be investigated.

  •  So basically all we.... (4+ / 0-)

    can do is make noise and hope to God that the dems use this?

    Is there no legal argument to be made?

  •  Nancy Pelosi and Louise Slaughter (7+ / 0-)

    Are you reading this one?  Hello?

  •  maybe now? (3+ / 0-)
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    I would love to see the Dems make an issue of this. Maybe now with Bush nearing the 20's they will stop being so terrified of him, but I'll have to see it to believe it.
    I feel, along with the diaist, that this is a winner issue for the Democrats if they would only take it and run, but so far they seem to too much like a  herd of deer in the headlights when it comes to challenging the Republicans on this.
    I know Hinchey will do the right thing on this, lets hope that for a change, he can get most of his collegues to go along.

    •  I've been wondering (1+ / 0-)
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      if Rove has been making it clear somehow, to the Dems in Congress, that the NSA has been spying on them for five years, and that they have the goods on each and every one of them.

      And that they'd better keep their mouths shut tight.

      I just don't have any other explanation for why they're being so damn cowardly.  We are the party of impotence.


      Meet the New Pharisees, same as the Old Pharisees.

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed May 10, 2006 at 08:19:00 PM PDT

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      •  Assumption (0+ / 0-)

        Well, that assumes the Dems have done something wrong. If they had, the NSA would have already leaked it, most likely. I say they got nuthin'.

        Even if they did, most would care more about their country than any embarrassing information the NSA might have. IOW, they're not blackmailable. Waste of everyone's time, won't happen.

        That's not to say they're not impotent, just sayin' there's some other reason. What I'd like to see them do is walk out of Congress and hold a giant in-your-face media event on the Capitol steps every time an issue like this comes up. Been done, pretty effective.

        "Question authority and the authorities will question you." Now more than ever!

        by armadillo on Wed May 10, 2006 at 09:30:50 PM PDT

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  •  I agree with you, SusanG. (21+ / 0-)

    Democrats should ask this Administration over and over again:  "What are you so afraid of?"  The republicans are so fond of the notion that we shouldn't worry about domestic wiretapping of American citizens because, after all, if we've done nothing wrong, what's there to fear?  Lob the word "fear" back at them -- What is this Administration so afraid of?"

  •  Anyone who believes... (4+ / 0-)

    ...that Bush's Justice Department was EVER going to investigate Bush's National Security Agency, I have a beautiful red bridge to sell you.  Whoops, there's fog covering it up.  

    Anyone?  Bueller?

    Chaos, fear, dread. My work here is done.

    by madhaus on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:46:31 PM PDT

  •  NSA - (9+ / 0-)

    no longer an organization that protects the citizens of the United States from violations of the law.  Now, it protects the President from his criminal acts perpetrated against Americans.

    I dream of a brave whistleblower.

    "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    by Five of Diamonds on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:46:36 PM PDT

    •  There HAVE been whistleblowers (12+ / 0-)

      That's how it all came out in the first place ... James Risen had multiple NSA whistleblowers come to him.

      But what good does it do if you shut down the investigation by denying clearances? This is totally fucked up. This really seems to me to reek of naked obstruction of justice.

      That the DOJ wouldn't have ... say ... two people with clearances high enough to view this material is totally unbelievable. Or shows poor hiring in the DOJ, if Bush wants to argue that route.

      •  Perhaps (3+ / 0-)
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        the Bush cabal expects it to simply go away.  They have shut down the Democrats multiple times already by threatening a rush of the right-wing base to the polls.  They saw the dem institution leave Feingold out to dry.

        Something has got to give.  

        "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

        by Five of Diamonds on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:57:39 PM PDT

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      •  Anything offered of substance? (1+ / 0-)
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        I did not think so....

        BushCo Policy... If you aren't outraged, you haven't been paying attention. -3.25 -2.26

        by Habanero on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:27:04 PM PDT

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        •  Substance? How about this - (0+ / 0-)

          If the President's 'unchecked' power to wage war without legislative approval is the root cause of defacto martial law in this country, then the constitution must be changed to REQUIRE A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE'S REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS, for the administration to conduct military operations anywhere anytime?

          •  The power to levy war is addressed rests where.. (1+ / 0-)
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            ...and they ingnore it anyway?  There is a friggin grocery list of stuff that should be addressed.  
            I did not like line item signing when Clinton did it, I like it less not that we have a pseudo Hitler in charge.  That process needs to go.  Paper ballots should be mandatory.  I could write a list that would consume the day so I will stop.  Right now I am enjoying all the wingnuts cluster like a bunch of chimps on TV trying to spin BushCo's transgretions as "legal," "needed," and oh yes, dozens of different ways to say liberals just don't realize it yet.  Paternalistic government is the new Republican way.  Well my marginally bi-pedal friends, here is a middle of the road Democrat who will think for himself...thank you very much anyway.
            What I "need" is to get my country back and see the little monsters responsible for this to face the court system.    

            BushCo Policy... If you aren't outraged, you haven't been paying attention. -3.25 -2.26

            by Habanero on Fri May 12, 2006 at 06:34:32 AM PDT

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  •  God I hope some Democrats rise to this occasion (6+ / 0-)

    and make this NSA investigation the HUGE OUTRAGEOUS Freakin' ISSuE that it is!

    These bastards are taking away the very rule of law - abrogating power!!!!!

  •  Naked power (4+ / 0-)
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    = the emperor has no clothes

    What would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? unknown

    by moon in the house of moe on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:47:37 PM PDT

  •  Right now (9+ / 0-)

    Somewhere, somebody in the administration is saying "My God, I can't believe that worked. What a buncha maroons."

    Looking forward to hearing about this on The Daily Show tonight. Because nobody else will cover it.

    Somebody really needs to tell the White House that "1984" is a cautionary tale, not a political guidebook.

    by jabbausaf on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:49:11 PM PDT

  •  Germany Early 1930's (15+ / 0-)

    This is what it looked like.

    When people ask: "How did the citizens of Germany, the good people, let that happen .."
    Take a look around folks ...

  •  Has the DOJ not heard of the word 'Compel'? (17+ / 0-)

    As in a judge-issued warrant that COMPELS the NSA to grant access to investigators (under carefully controlled conditions to protect secrecy, of course) to the records they need to examine? Do real lawyers even work for the DoJ anymore?

    Or has the NSA now claimed an extra-constitutional right to be excluded from such searches, even if compelled to do so by a judge's warrant? (Which would be the ultimate of ironies: we can ILLEGALLY spy on YOU without a warrant, in direct violation of the 4th amendment, but you can't LEGALLY spy on US, even WITH a warrant!) And is the DoJ just accepting this at face value without futher legal action and/or determination?

    This is a crock of shit, and the DoJ knows it. Either it does its job and tells the NSA to go Cheney itself, or else we apply pressure on congress and/or the DoJ's Inspector General to look into this. And if that doesn't work (and it probably won't), just wait till we retake one or both houses of congress this year. Shit: get ready to meet fan.

    I for one am not prepared to throw my hands up in defeatism resignation as yet another check on unconstitutional executive overreach is left to wither on the vine.

    This is OUTRAGEOUS!

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:52:10 PM PDT

    •  I Think the Chimpministration is More Afraid... (1+ / 0-)
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      of an investigation.

      ...or else we apply pressure on congress...

      This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

      by Mr X on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:54:45 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, this comes from Gonzalez (7+ / 0-)

      This stuff came right from the top. Gonzalez should be called to the mat (of course he won't be) to explain why he didn't go to the court to get a show cause writ.

      •  Ideally, what should happen now is (5+ / 0-)
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        for the media to pounce on this, congressional Democrats to insist on investigating this, and for the public to become enraged over this. And, perhaps, for public figures on the right and left, especially legal experts and former judges and politicians, to cry foul play for all to hear. Thus forcing congress to investigate and perhaps even the DoJ to re-initiate the investigation, this time with vigor.

        Of course, none of this is likely to happen, if the past is any indication of how this will play out in reality. So, once again, yet another pressing issue will have to await the Democratic re-taking of the house and/or senate this year for it to be dealt with properly. And even then, with so much on its plate and at best holding razor thin majorities, there's only so much that even a Democratically controlled house AND senate will be likely or able to investigate.

        All the more reason to invest as much of our time and energy this year into assuring not only a Democratic takeover of the house and senate, but by the widest possible margins. We can (and should) cry bloody murder and try to get congress to block as much as this as we can in the meantime, but until we're back in charge--and by a healthy margin--there's only so much we can honestly expect to happen.

        It took the right 40 years to get to where it is right now--ALL of this is part of an overall long-term plan on its part--and we're not going to overthrow it and reverse its many abuses overnight. This is going to be a decades-long effort, with no time to ease up. While we try to block BushCo for now as best we can and work towards a retaking of congress this fall, we have to also work towards ever-larger majorities in '08 and beyond (and undo much of the GOP's horrible redistricting after '10).

        Let's roll...

        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

        by kovie on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:15:08 PM PDT

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      •  Somebody ought to pick him up and toss him out (1+ / 0-)
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        with the polar bears to experience terror and global warming.  Imagine one of those big polar bears going after him!  Bye, bye Ablberto... take your bike with you so you can ride and keep your chubby little body in good shape.

      •  Looks like Specter is doing something about this (0+ / 0-)

        or at least going through the motions once again for public consumption.

        In an article in today's NY Times on the recent revelation in USA Today that the NSA has been compiling a database of Americans' phone records:

        May 11, 2006
        Bush Says U.S. Spying Is Not Widespread
        By JOHN O'NEIL

        ...The anger among committee members carried over to a number of other related developments. Senator Specter said he was sending a letter to the Justice Department in response to a news report that an investigation by the Justice Department's ethics office into the lawyers who gave approval to the domestic surveillance program was abandoned because the investigators were refused the necessary security clearances.

        "It's sort of incomprehensible that that was done," Senator Specter said, adding that he was asking that the clearances be granted so the review could continue.

        But what if they don't respond, Senator Specter, or respond without really answering your questions? What are you prepared to do then, which you surely know will happen?

        He's apparently also upset enough over the phone records issue to do something about it:

        And Senator Arlen Specter, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he would call executives of AT&T, BellSouth and Verizon "to see if we can learn some of the underlying facts."

        He said he would question them about "what we can't find out from the Department of Justice or other administration officials."

        Will you compel them to testify under oath, Senator Specter, or will this be a repeat of the oil industry hearings in which oil industry executives were not asked to testify under oath?

        He also continues to be upset with the NSA wiretap program:

        And Mr. Specter said that he believed he had the agreement of all 10 Republicans on the committee for a bill he has proposed that would ask the special court that handles requests for warrants on foreign intelligence to rule on the Constitutionality of the domestic surveillance program.

        However, I wouldn't hold my breath quite yet with respect to his willingness to go all the way in holding the Bush administration fully acountable for its illegalities:

        Mr. Specter also said that he "had some indication" that Mr. Ashcroft and James Comey, a former deputy Attorney General, had some knowledge about the domestic surveillance program, but said he didn't think it would be "fruitful" to subpoena them to testify.

        Notice the missing words "at this time" at the end of this quote, meaning he never intends to call them to testify. And what exactly does he mean by not thinking it would be "fruitful" to compel them to testify? Does he believe that they would lie under oath to protect themselves and the administration, and doesn't want to subject them to this risk. Or is he afraid that they'd spill the beans, and thus incriminate the administration?

        Once again, Specter talks the talk, and partially walks the walk, but only so far.

        We need to retake the house and senate. Nothing short of that is likely to allow us to hold the administration accountable for its massive lawbreaking.

        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

        by kovie on Thu May 11, 2006 at 02:59:05 PM PDT

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  •  So let me get this straight (10+ / 0-)

    The Attorney General refuses to answer questions in Senate hearings about the program.

    The President refuses to brief the Congressional committees it's required to brief.

    The NSA is denying the DOJ clearance to investigate.

    Employees who have unauthorized communications with reporters can be fired and prosecuted for leaking.

    The government argues against any attempt to bring the issue before a court based on its involving "state secrets."

    The government asserts the right to interpret the statutes and the Constitution based on the counsel of lackeys and claims that that counsel is privileged information.

    And every department in the executive branch is under the control of the Unitary Executive.

    This is an administration of untouchables.  And it's easy to understand why some Democrats are rolling over on the Hayden nomination - like a battered victim, they're identifying with the aggressor.

  •  The only reason Rove thinks this is a winner.. (6+ / 0-)

    for the GOP, is that any support for the program is based on a complete misrepresentation of what the program actually IS. When people begin to understand that the NSA is now sucking up and able to archive every single email, instant message, and Skype call that travels on the domestic networks, we will defeat this group of fascists. The truth will out, and the truth will set us free.

    •  Exactly... (3+ / 0-)
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      rabel, Rick Oliver, greenearth

      the collective attitude of Republicans on the Hill is that this program is legal...an assertion that does not pass the most basic of legal scrutiny.

      That the Dems in Congress are not screaming their lungs out by now is a complete tragedy.

      I want my damn freedom!

      "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

      by Five of Diamonds on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:04:54 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  IT IS AN ADMISSION OF GUILT!!!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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    Nothing more, nothing less!

    The NSA spies on American citizens without warrants and without probable cause.  They violate the Constitution, they know it and they are obstructing justice.

    GUILTY! Starting with General "4th Ammendment Expert" Hayden, followed by Abu Grahib Gonzalez and ending with Dumbya.

    Dailykos.com; an oasis of truth. -1.75 -7.23

    by Shockwave on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:01:06 PM PDT

  •  The question to ask your elected representative (9+ / 0-)

    Whether Democratic or Republican:

    What is your plan to restore Constitutional government in the United States?

    Anyone who isn't outraged isn't paying attention.

    by lambertstrether on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:02:36 PM PDT

  •  The New Republican (1+ / 0-)
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    greenearth

    R stands for Restricting your Rights

    The new Republican Red:      

    assholes

    inspire change...don't back down

    by missliberties on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:03:21 PM PDT

  •  When the military gets to tell it's civilian (6+ / 0-)

    Overseers to fuck off, this is really bad news.

    Police state we are here.

  •  which investigation? (1+ / 0-)
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    greenearth

    the one looking into which insider leaked the program to the press or the one looking into the propriety of the program itself?  Not to be cynical, but something tells me it is the latter.

  •  A SPY Agency won't tolerate an investigation (9+ / 0-)

    by saying it can't give the investigators security clearances to see if the electronic spy agency is innocent or guilty of breaking our Laws?  Wouldn't an enterprising legislator from the Legislative Branch say no funds until a thorough investigation is completed?  Then the matter could be referred to those eminently qualified jurists from the Judicial Branch to settle the warfare in the Executive Branch before the Legislative Branch chokes off the source of all evil - money.

    The Constitution is being forced into retirement and archived.

    Every time history repeats itself the price goes up - Anon.

    by Pithy Cherub on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:05:56 PM PDT

    •  These assholes (5+ / 0-)

      will probably classify the Constitution.

      "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

      by Five of Diamonds on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:10:24 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Ugh.....is Specter our only hope? (3+ / 0-)
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      Wouldn't an enterprising legislator from the Legislative Branch say no funds until a thorough investigation is completed?

      Very recently, Arlen Specter was making some noise about the NSA program...asking "Where is the outrage?"  

      In the same article, he noted that he had drafted a  a bill that would cut off funding for the NSA program, but he was not going to ask for a vote on it just yet:

      Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) said yesterday that he will file an amendment to block the NSA program's funding -- but said he will not seek a vote on it at this time -- in hope of stirring greater debate on the warrantless surveillance, part of the agency's monitoring of alleged terrorists.

      Specter can talk the talk...but will he walk the walk??  I don't think so.  Specter and the Judiciary Committee needs to send out the subpoenas, pronto...but I won't hold my breath. Won't someone just stand up and say "Enough is enough?"

      BTW, does anyone else think this is Rove's last hurrah before he gets shoved out the door?  Go out with a bang, so to speak???

      •  Help US Obi Wan Specter, you are are only hope (0+ / 0-)

        is just plain Orwellian scary!  Specter caved faster than a sinkhole in a torrential California rainstorm.  

        This electronic spying is eviscerating the remaining shreds of moral authority of ALL of those charged with upholding the Constitution.  Oversight is part of the sworn oath and it is time to remind Chairman Specter to hold the Country and Constitution above his giant Bush republican rubberstamp.  

        There damn well better be some screaming from Democrats tomorrow!

        Every time history repeats itself the price goes up - Anon.

        by Pithy Cherub on Wed May 10, 2006 at 10:26:47 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Sweet (2+ / 0-)
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    rabel, greenearth

    Glad to see that a uniform set of criteria based on principle is dictating the approval of security clearances or cooperation in terms of screening information sensitive to national security for those without them.

    Charming...must be the same principled criteria that allowed that senior official in the DHS get a top security clearance who is a PEDOPHILE.

    http://www.noslaves.com http://forum.noslaves.com

    by BobOak on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:10:52 PM PDT

  •  Testimony by Jonathan Turley Former NSA lawyer (2+ / 0-)
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    Former NSA Lawyer Jonathan Turley at the NSA Hearing
    (C-span) rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/ter/ter012006_spying.rm

    Professor Turley (rough transcript):

    President Bush has for many years asserted authority that is both absolute and in my view, quite dangerous.

    In August 2002, there was the infamous torture memo, put out by the justice department, that stated that the President could indeed order gov’t officials to violate federal law. In fact, that memo said that imposing a limitation on his ability to conduct exercises that constitute torture would be a constitutional infringement on his authority.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/...

  •  Well, it's up to Congress, now... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...since they have the security clearances.

    Or do they?

    JP
    http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com

    Defending bad taste and liberalism since 2005.

    by jurassicpork on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:14:19 PM PDT

  •  If this does not enrage nearly every member of.. (6+ / 0-)

    Congress, none of you deserve the responcibility you were entrusted with or the oath you were to uphold!

    Senators Feingold and Reid, take off the gloves!

    BushCo Policy... If you aren't outraged, you haven't been paying attention. -3.25 -2.26

    by Habanero on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:14:42 PM PDT

  •  Wow! (3+ / 0-)
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    Just when I think that BushCo can't surprise me anymore, they pull this crap.  I was just thinking the other day that it's a wonder they haven't eviserated the GAO/IGs...

  •  Cover Up! Cover Up! Sing Along with Me! (2+ / 0-)
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    Cover up! Cover up! Can you see a cover up?
    

    Cover up! Cover up! Sing along with me!

    Cover up! Cover up! Can you smell a cover up?
    Cover up! Cover up! Sing along with me!

    Cover up! Cover up! Can you hear a cover up?
    Cover up! Cover up! Sing along with me!

    Cover up! Cover up! Can you feel a cover up?
    Cover up! Cover up! Sing along with me!

    Cover up! Cover up! Can you taste a cover up?
    Cover up! Cover up! Got a bitter taste, you see?

    Liberal Thinking

    Think, liberally.

    by Liberal Thinking on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:20:33 PM PDT

  •  I Don't Think They're Going to Leave n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    rabel, ohcanada

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:22:13 PM PDT

  •  Question for the Snowman: (2+ / 0-)
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    greenearth, armadillo

    How is it that lawyers in your own DOJ cannot get the security clearance that Karl Rove has?

  •  Number one issue at the last townhall mtgs. (2+ / 0-)
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    Jesterfox, greenearth

    Chris Shays (R) from Ct. was a guest on C-Span the morning congress returned from their latest 2 week hiatus. I forget who the host was but he asked Shays what the number one issue was raised by his constituents. He said it was the lack of congressional OVERSIGHT!!!!
    Wake up Dems, recognize that it's time to shout from the rooftops about the lack of oversight and what happens when it's attempted by the Dems. Not just the lack of accountability from the Republican led congress but the crap the administration and all their 'Yes' admin/agencies' who break the freakin law pull. There is no process for accountability anymore. People need to understand that and what it means. The Dem leaders and the rest of us need to get the message out that it stops now or it never will be stopped. And if that happens America never will be America again!  

  •  Ignorant question: (1+ / 0-)
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    greenearth

    Sorry, I am being mentally lazy tonight.  I just can't bring myself to delve into the pecking order and intricacies of the government at this moment.  Someone please just tell me who I call/email/fax first f'ing thing in the morning to apply pressure about this.  Congress?  Senators?  Who pressures the Justice Department?  

  •  Is this ... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth

    ... another impeachable offense?

  •  Rule of Law is now officially overthrown (2+ / 0-)
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    ohcanada, greenearth

    There is no longer any need to cooperate with federal authorities. If they overthrow the rule of law, they have no authority to act lawfully.

    NOW is the time for Dems to start encouraging people and businesses to stop sending tax money to Washington. No legitimate government exists there.

  •  Worry! (1+ / 0-)
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    greenearth

    Remember that issue of The Nation back in 2000 with Alfred P. Neuman/Bush on the cover and all his lapel was a button that read "Worry"? Wasn't that funny? We all laughed and laughed. Those were the days. Good times. Good times.

  •  A few facts (17+ / 0-)

    The investigation that was blocked was by the Office of Professional Responsibility, which has jurisidiction only to investigate whether DOJ personnel have acted ethically and legally.  Thus, the investigation would presumably not have been primarily about whether NSA had the authority to conduct their warrantless surveillance, but whether the DOJ personnel who were somehow involved in those efforts acted ethically and legally.  

    Of course, one issue that might logically be expected to arise in connection with such an investigation would be whether DOJ lawyers had improperly hidden the existence of the surveillance from judges of the FISA court in later proceedings to obtain warrants for the surveillance of people whose conversations had already been intercepted without a warrant, and the issue of whether the warrantless surveillance was legal might be relevant to that inquiry.

    I frankly cannot believe that NSA, even under political pressure from the White House, would have denied security clearances to everybody in OPR on the basis that they were unworthy of the clearance because they were some kind of a security risk.  I retired from DOJ less than a year ago after 15 years there and nearly that long in private practice, and although my work didn't generally involve national security matters, I was required to obtain a Top Secret clearance for work on one particular case, which I continued to have at the time of my retirement.  Frankly, the background investigation required to simply be hired as an attorney at DOJ seemed every bit as thorough as the subsequent investigation for the Top Secret clearance.  

    Although this program is apparently classified even higher than Top Secret, it's inconceivable to me that nobody in OPR, after having passed the background investigation necessary to get hired in the first place, and subsequent background investigations roughly every 5 years thereafter, was sufficiently reliable to obtain a security clearance at any level imaginable.  My hunch is that somebody at NSA determined that nobody at OPR had a "need to know" anything about the program, and denied the clearances on that basis.  But whether DOJ lawyers have a need to know classified information to determine whether other DOJ lawyers have acted ethically and legally isn't (or shouldn't be) NSA's call -- it should be the call of the Attorney General.  And I have little doubt that if the Attorney General called the head of NSA and said that they had a need to know the information, that NSA would have backed down.  And certainly, if he had gotten the President to call them with the same message, they would have backed down.

    To me, this seems to be a transparent attempt by the administration to misuse the security clearance process to protect itself from embarrassment, rather than to legitimately safeguard national security information.  What appears to have happened is that the Attorney General or his designees authorized an investigation by OPR, and then basically winked at NSA and somehow conveyed the message that "Of course, if you don't give the OPR lawyers the proper clearances, we can't investigate anything, and we can claim that it's not because we didn't WANT to investigate."

    If they had any decency at all, which they rather clearly don't, the Attorney General and the other top political appointees at DOJ would resign over this.  But as I said, not only don't I think they're offended by what they should perceive as a slap in the face, I strongly suspect that they actually invited it.

    I will close with one comment:  I distinctly remember the first time I stood up in court, introduced myself to a federal judge, and stated that I represented "the United States."  Most current and former DOJ lawyers remember that moment with pride, as I certainly do.  One of the reasons I decided to take early retirement is that this administration, and the way it has misused the Department of Justice, has succeeded in doing what I would have once thought was impossible -- namely, transforming that pride at standing up in court and saying that I represented the United States into a combination of shame and embarrassment.

     

  •  Ooh, ooh, it's SO secret we just cain't talk (1+ / 0-)
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    greenearth

    about it cuz it's just SO secret!! Bwa ha ha ha. Oversight is fer wussies.  Oversight is fer terrist sympthizers.  Secret, secret, secret.

    Don't yu get it?  whut, r u frickin' French or somethin'?

  •  ARRRRGRGGGHHHHH! (5+ / 0-)

    Fuck the laws.

    There ARE no laws.

    Since The Biggest Douche in the Universe (no longer John Edwards, not George W. Bush) has the ability to classify and declassify infrmation at his sinister will, NOTHING CAN EVER AGAIN BE INVESTIGATED in this country, as long as the King -  errr - President doesn't want it to be, because clearence can simply be denied.

    MY GOD HOW i wish that son of a bitch and bastard would get the fuck out of office. he and his whole government are an insult to every American, past and present.

    Judyneric is Extraordinary.

    by judyneric on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:43:07 PM PDT

  •  Very funny... (1+ / 0-)
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    greenearth

    and a great additional plot twist to the great American conspiracy theory novel...man, it just seems to write itself in my head.

    Now if I could only get it down on paper or into digital format...

    "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

    by kredwyn on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:45:01 PM PDT

  •  Let's be clear (6+ / 0-)

    This is where a line should be drawn.  Over and over we have heard from Rep. Pelosi, Rep. Harman, Sen. Dayton, Sen. Feinstein, et al that no censure should occur before an investigation is completed...

    WAKE UP! IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

    So we need to call their bluff.   This is sickening to the point that my hands are shaking...

    I guess I am the angry left, angry that my government has deserted me and the Constitution...

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you...then you win -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by justmy2 on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:48:31 PM PDT

  •  So, Uh (5+ / 0-)
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    Darksyde888, rabel, bree, greenearth, armadillo

    how is this not a fascist dictatorship?

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:54:15 PM PDT

  •  Hoo boy (4+ / 0-)
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    judyneric, ohcanada, greenearth, huskerly

    I'm gone for a few days, workign hard, and I come back to this?  This is FUCKING BULLSHIT.  Utter fucking bullshit.  We need a countdown clock to the end of our Republic and its Constitutional government.  Sort of like the one that used to countdown the virtual time to nuclear annihilation.  I'd put the time left for our free country at about T minus 1 minute.

    Waiting until 2008 may be too late.  Where are the Dems in DC?  They should be on the rooftops screaming bloody murder.  And the press?  MIA again?  We're done.  In the future there will only be 2 kinds of government in the United States:  benevolent police state (when Dems are in control) and belligerent police state (when Rethugs are in control).  Almost time to get the fuck out I think.

    A pessimist sees a glass half empty. I see a paper cup with holes punched in it.

    by Paper Cup on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:54:34 PM PDT

  •  Thomas Jefferson (4+ / 0-)
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    bree, judyneric, greenearth, huskerly

    "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

    "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    by Five of Diamonds on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:58:10 PM PDT

  •  Democratic surrogate he can trust (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth

    Joe Lieberman

    Can he trust any surrogates we trust?

  •  You need look no further than this quote... (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    rabel, bree, Paper Cup, greenearth

    "People who fight investigations do not believe in their innocence."

    This is the administration of roadblocks and stone walling. One of the principal tenents of Fascism is never admit you're wrong.

    If these Republicans didn't have control of Congress they'd be freakin' toast. It's so damn dangerous for one party to control all three branches of government. Perhaps this should not be allowed.

    "The criminal regrets not the crime, but the getting caught."

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. -F(D)R

    by Takethepowerback06 on Wed May 10, 2006 at 08:01:39 PM PDT

    •  '...shouldn't be allowed?' Liberty or Death? (1+ / 0-)
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      Takethepowerback06

      No shit.

      There are a number of serious shortcomings in our 'sacred' constitution.  

      But regardless of political stripe, there has long been a prevelant attitude amongst our citizens that such things can never be changed - without 'opening pandora's box.'

      This is our biggest mistake.  That this is the best country in the world, and we have nothing to learn from anyone else.  Can you spell 'arrogant assholes?'  I knew you could.  Now, have any idea how apparently full of shit we seem to the rest of the world?  

      Countries all over the globe have gone through revolutionary change in our lifetime, while we merely rest on our proud laurels - as if to say, "We're way too perfect to change."

      Our precious system of checks and balances has been 'UN-balanced' for decades, with the administrative branch virtually 'unchecked' in its ongoing power grab.  

      We brag about our system being so damn superior to the 'parliamentary' model, because our president can conduct military operations at the drop of a hat - never mind the legislature.  And the courts!  What a fucking joke that they simply hand Bushboy the payback he needs to steal elections.  

      Checks my ass!  Balance my butt!

      Constitutional convention anyone?

      Ohmygod! GASP!

      Got guns?  Talking biceps of course!  Got guts?  
      We're gonna need 'em both before this is over.

      And why wouldn't we?  Who ever said that 'government of, by, and FOR the people' would be easy?  If you think the 'military industrial complex' is going to roll over and just let you take back the wealth and power and privelege that they stole from the people 'fair and square,' then you are about to face the steepest and deadliest learning curve of your life.  Just remember the battle cry of Bunker Hill, and you'll be staring into the 'whites of their eyes' soon enough.  

  •  Kafka is alive and well (4+ / 0-)
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    rabel, bree, rgdurst, greenearth

    And reincarnated as Colonel Flagg. "If I told ya, I'd have ta kill ya!"

    Slightly different topic: anyone notice how everytime Rove warns Democrats about what would be poison to them  at the polls, they should be doing the exact opposite? Really, if Rove thinks this NSA spying scandal is a loser for Democrats, it almost certainly is a winner for Democrats.

    Really, what kind of idiot would take advice from his opponent on how to win? Please tell me the Democrats aren't that naive.

    •  Yeah but (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      greenearth

      What if he tells them not to investigate a topic that would hurt dems at the polls?  Huh?  Huh?  That Rove, man.  He's a damn GENIUS!  At least, that's all I ever hear around here.

      I'd prefer if Dems investigate everything, regardless of Rove and come back with a hand-waving "everything's cool."  Just get me some of that good subpena power, baby.

  •  Everyone needs to use their inner Luntz (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth

    They are not investigations...they are "oversight hearings"!

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you...then you win -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by justmy2 on Wed May 10, 2006 at 08:16:46 PM PDT

  •  Oh the irony! Obstruction of Justice by the DOJ (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    rabel, bree, greenearth

    Orwell could not have written any of this.

    I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

    by gabbardd on Wed May 10, 2006 at 08:30:02 PM PDT

  •  Upbeat outlook -hey read this (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth

    Remember Nina Simone singing "Here comes the sun, little darlin. Here comes the Sun. Things are goin' to get easier,... right no. R I G H T  N O W"?
    Love that song.

    Harold Meyerson is smart and upbeat and he's got the antidote to GOP poison.  
    You will like reading this.
    It's called "GOP Bankruptcy of Ideas. The subtitle could be "why these losers are gonna lose come November."

  •  NSA has declared itself above the law (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Darksyde888, greenearth, armadillo

    FBI needs to run in there, guns drawn, with warrants, close the place down, cut the power. Sort it all out later.

    Folks, this is the ESSENCE of RULE OF LAW.

    If the Executive can say no one is allowed to oversee our actions, there is dictatorship in place.

    -6.63, -3.59 If we shall fail to defend the Constitution, I shall fail in the attempt.

    by spoon or no spoon on Wed May 10, 2006 at 08:33:45 PM PDT

  •  This is a joke, right? (6+ / 0-)

    Look, I have been working in the Beltway's shadowy community (the good people) for over 10 years now.  There is only one way the DoD can block the DoJ clearances in this capacity; The lawyers that are in need of a clearance fail to qualify for a clearance based upon the results of a Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI) that is conducted by the FBI or Defense Security Service (DSS).

    The guidlines for adjudication of clearances have been updated (Dec 2005) and still should serve as a model for interim clearances for these lawyers. Unless there is something that we do not know (which is probably the case), there should no reason for the DoD to obstruct the DoJ's efforts.
    They guidlines can viewed:

    ADJUDICATIVE GUIDELINES FOR DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION

    If this is really happening, there is no reason why the MSM should not be screaming bloody murder.  Once these civil rights go (which King George is trying so desperately to do), they are gone forever.

  •  Here's my problem (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    armadillo, huskerly, flipflopper

    All the other issues that get traction among the Democratic slash progressive slash liberal blogsphere are minute things barely worthy of note in comparison to this usurpation of the Constitution by Bush.

    Please note I said "in comparison to".  I do not claim that issues like immigration reform, the minimum wage (yeah, thanks Hil), gay rights and global warming are unimportant.  They are very important.  But compared to the very fabric of our nation they PALE in comparison to the continuing crimes of Bush.

    It depresses me when I see so many people focus on other issues.  Really it does.  They are NOTHING compared to the loss of freedom and the shredding of the Constitution by the Boy Idiot and his Congressional accomplices.  All other issues, in my opinion, should be placed aside until this one is dealt with squarely head-on.  If that means shutting down the government then so be it.

    Nixon is fucking smiling approvingly from his booth in hell as he watches Bush amass power beyond anything he ever imagined.

    Fuck Gerald Ford.  They should have made an example out of Nixon.  I'm starting to think the real heros of Watergate weren't Woodward or Bernstein and Mark Felt.  They were Elliot Richardson and Richard Helms.  The former for resigning as the Attorney General rather than carrying out an illegal and uncostitutional directive from the president, and the latter for refusing to participate in the coverup as head of the CIA.  Nixon, if you recall, wanted him to call the FBI and tell them that the burglary was a CIA operation and that NatSec would be endangered if the investigation continued.

    They both said "no".  If anyone dared say that to Bush today he'd be fired and smeared by Rove.  To say the situation today is troubling is a vast, vast understatement.

    A pessimist sees a glass half empty. I see a paper cup with holes punched in it.

    by Paper Cup on Wed May 10, 2006 at 08:48:08 PM PDT

  •  somebody 'spain (0+ / 0-)

    why it's OPR that's doin' this. I thought they were in-house attorney and law enforcement stuff.

    •  OPR is doing it because . . . (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      rgdurst

      What's being investigated is whether DOJ lawyers did anything unethical or illegal (such as, I would assume, failing to disclose to FISA court judges that there had previously been warrantless surveillance of the subjects of warrant requests which had resulted, at least indirectly, in the development of information leading to the warrant request).

  •  The NSA Scandal Resource Center (0+ / 0-)

    For all the latest news, statutes, legal documents and other essential NSA domestic spying materials, see:
    "The NSA Domestic Spying Scandal Resource Center."

  •  Forget Investigations (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Darksyde888, Paper Cup
    If they won't allow investigations, move straight to impeachment - no need for investigations as GWB has already admitted guilt. John Dean has already laid out the case. No need to play Mr. Nice Guy and conduct investigations. I'd like to see any 'publican try to walk back from impeachment charges of already confessed illegal wiretapping.

    What the President says is executive privilege is nothing but executive poppycock. -Sam Ervin

    by sailmaker on Wed May 10, 2006 at 09:04:08 PM PDT

  •  The Bush dictatorship (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Darksyde888
    May someone save our country from this Bush Administration.
  •  So when is the coronation of (0+ / 0-)

    our "dear" Emperor George W. Bush?

    Lies, Torture and the American Way! (My Apologies to Superman)

    by Darksyde888 on Wed May 10, 2006 at 11:42:55 PM PDT

  •  Wow... that must be nice. (0+ / 0-)

    DOJ: We're is conducting an investigation of your recent activities...

    Me: Uhhh... sorry... my recent activities are totally secret, so there's no way you could investigate them.  Don't worry, though... it's all legit!

    DOJ: Well, in that case, never mind.  Have a nice day.

  •  What are they trying to hide? (0+ / 0-)

    Keep asking. We'll get answers only if Democrats take control in November.

    The sleep of reason produces monsters. Francisco Goya

    by Dire Radiant on Thu May 11, 2006 at 06:27:26 AM PDT

  •  If this stand I hate to say it, but ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... our democracy no longer exists.

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