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"Straight Talking" John McCain in 2000:

. . . I am a pro-life, pro-family fiscal conservative, an advocate of a strong defense, and yet Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and a few Washington leaders of the pro-life movement call me an unacceptable presidential candidate. They distort my pro- life positions and smear the reputations of my supporters. Why? Because I don't pander to them, because I don't ascribe to their failed philosophy that money is our message.

. . . Just as we embrace working people, we embrace the fine members of the religious conservative community, but that does not mean that we will pander to their self-appointed leaders. Some -- some prefer to build walls and exclude newcomers from our support. Apparently, appeals to patriotism can only be held by card- carrying Republican, and only certain Republicans at that, not the kind of Republicans who might dissent from the soft-money ethics of a tired party establishment. . . . Governor Bush is a Pat Robertson Republican who will lose to Al Gore.

The political tactics of division and slander are not our values, they are corrupting influences on religion and politics, and those who practice them in the name of religion or in the name of the Republican Party or in the name of America shame our faith, our party and our country.

Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.

. . . We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, not Bob Jones.

(Emphasis supplied.) Scheduled to speak tomorrow at Liberty University, the heart of Falwellville, the no longer Straight Talking John McCain. Can you say pander?

U.S. Sen. John McCain - a likely 2008 presidential candidate who once labeled the Rev. Jerry Falwell an "agent of intolerance" - will be Liberty University's graduation speaker on May 13.

"I was in Washington with him about three months ago," Falwell said. "We dealt with every difference we have. There are no deal breakers now. But I told him, `You have a lot of fence mending to do.'" . . . McCain's visit to the LU campus is, at the very least, an attempt to make peace with conservative Christians prior to the presidential campaign.

While running against then- Gov. George W. Bush in the South Carolina and Virginia primaries in 2000, McCain denounced Falwell and Virginia Beach televangelist Pat Robertson in what was seen as a move to lure more moderate voters to his campaign. . . . Falwell said McCain's appearance at LU's graduation is another sign that McCain is wooing evangelical Christians. "He is in the process of healing the breech with evangelical groups," Falwell said.

Falwell said McCain has expressed a willingness to support a Federal Marriage Amendment, an issue dear to conservative Christians. The amendment would define marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

Straight Talk wasting away in Falwellville.

More on the flip.

The amazing thing is not that McCain is doing the Full Monty supine pander. The amazing thing is that the Beltway still sucks it up from McCain. The Howler on Friday captured it well:

Sadly, our millionaire pundits are lowering standards for their great champion, sainted solon John McCain. This weekend, McCain will speak at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University (something we think is completely appropriate). But will he display his great authenticity? Yesterday, in the Washington Post, David Broder set the bar rather low:

BRODER (5/12/06): The presumption of authenticity--the assumption that what he says, he actually believes--is John McCain's greatest strength going into the 2008 presidential race. That presumption will be tested this weekend when McCain speaks at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University, and I will be surprised if he fails the exam.

My guess is that, rather than pandering to the fundamentalist's social agenda, McCain will challenge the Liberty students to bring their moral energy and religious conviction to bear on the struggle for political reform, immigrant rights and environmental improvement--the causes with which he is most identified.

But did anyone think that McCain would "pander" to Falwell's social agenda at Liberty? To Broder, if McCain avoids saying that gays caused 9/11, his reputation for straight-talk is intact.

Heh. Yes, they love that McCain "straight talk" don't they? Even when he panders, lies, dissembles, spews nonsense, and wastes all over himself in Falwellville, they will still love him.

But those Angry Left bloggers, what do they know? Listen to those liberal pundits like Broder, Joe Klein and the objectively Left Richard Cohen. They'll tell you. America LOVES the straight talk, even in Falwellville.

Update [2006-5-13 20:17:21 by Armando]: What McCain Said:
McCain defended the rights of those who disagree with him and argued that "Americans deserve more than tolerance from one another."

"We deserve each other's respect, whether we think each other right or wrong in our views, as long as our character and our sincerity merit respect, and as long as we share, for all our differences, for all the noisy debates that enliven our politics, a mutual devotion to the sublime idea that this nation was conceived in — that freedom is the inalienable right of mankind, and in accord with the laws of nature and nature's creator," he said.

McCain's address made no direct mention of the political divide that separated McCain and Falwell after the Baptist preacher opposed his campaign for the GOP nomination in 2000 and supported George W. Bush. At the time, McCain labeled Falwell and others on the right and the left as "agents of intolerance."

The two reconciled last fall while still acknowledging that they disagree about some issues. McCain said recently that he no longer considers Falwell an agent of intolerance. Falwell has said no apologies were asked or offered.

On Saturday, McCain received a standing ovation from the capacity crowd of 10,000 in the university's Vines Center. Falwell awarded McCain an honorary doctorate of humanities and praised the sacrifices he made for the country as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

"The ilk of John McCain is very scarce, very small," Falwell told the graduating class of 2,458.

The evangelist has denied that his invitation to McCain to be Liberty's commencement speaker meant he was supporting him for president in 2008. Should McCain be the GOP nominee, however, Falwell has said he could support him.

. . . McCain made no reference to family values in his commencement address, focusing instead on global concerns.

Oh the Straight Talk. It's a wonder McCain could be heard having to shout between his legs . . .

Klein was enthralled. Broder ecstatic. Cohen had an authenticity orgasm. . .

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:06 PM PDT.

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  •  Born Again (8+ / 0-)

    At Falwell's University, McCain Defends Iraq War

    "If an American feels the decision was unwise, then they should state their opposition and argue for another course — it is your right and obligation," Mr. McCain said, adding, "But I ask that you consider the possibility that I, too, am trying to meet my responsibilities, to follow my conscience, to do my duty as best as I can, as God has given me light to see that duty."

    As I said in another diary, all we need now if for Hillary to announce she's been born again.

    •  tweet (6+ / 0-)

      Gods shitlist

      ..a word to the wise is sufficient...even Google won't help a fool..

      by Demogator on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:14:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Mr. McCain, don't blame God for the Iraq War (2+ / 0-)

      I do believe that the Iraq War is unwise.  In fact, God has given me the light to see that the Iraq War is immoral.  Furthermore, I find it immpossible to understand how a moral, sincere and intelligent person can believe the war to be anything but wrong and immoral.

      The decision to invade Iraq was made dispite a lack of proof that Iraq possed an immediate threat.  In fact there was a UN mission on the ground in Iraq to investigate the WMD alligations and they found nothing.  The UN team only withdrew because our President decided to invade before they could finish their task.  If they had been allowed to finish literally tens of thousands of people would be alive today.  People your war killed.  

      Of course you and your fellow Republicans now try to pretend that the war wasn't about WMD's, but about spreading democracy.  Therefore, you owe the world an explaination; how is Iraq better off because of our invasion.  You and President Bush try to dismiss this by turning around and asking; isn't the world better of without Sadam.  Unfortunately that isn't the issue because we can't chose to have him or not.  The Choice is between having Sadam or having a war that has cost untold thousands of civilian lives, 2437 US soldiers lives and hundreds of billions of dollars.  The answer is clear.  We the United States, the world and even Iraqis are worst off because of your war.  The situation under the Bathist regime was bad, murder rape and fear ruled the streets.  However, all of these problems and many more still exist and are even more prolific than before your war.

      Invoking the name of God in defense of this War is inexcusable.  It is just a cheap attempt to retreat from a substantive discusion while shielding yourself from moral criticism.  In fact, you are a pawn is a disastrous campaign that has killed thousands, left even more scarred physically and mentally for life and indebted our great grandchildren.  Now, how is that a duty from God.

      •  like President-to-be McCain said... (1+ / 0-)
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        that freedom is the inalienable right of mankind, and in accord with the laws of nature and nature's creator,"

        ...and that includes the freedom to be bombed and the freedom to have Paul Bremer write scores of laws to free your economy to be pillaged (aka "invested in") by other countries' (well...those from the "coalition of the willing" that is...) companies. never hear a Iraq war cheerleader trumpet Bremer's edicts...I wonder why?

  •  Is it surprising? (8+ / 0-)

    McCain gave the media all the access they wanted in 2000. That's why they love him - not necessarily because he's a maverick, but that he gives them access. In the end, that's what reporters crave the most. Why the hell do ya think it took so long for anything substantive to come from the Plame leak case?

    Again, this is another instance where only one other person has called McCain on his bullshit, live on TV: Jon Stewart.

    •  Not just Stewart. Colbert did too. (3+ / 0-)
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      Not that that's like saying Jon Stewart did and Sean Hannity (or even Anderson Cooper) followed after.  But credit where it's due.

    •  Russert just Loooooves Him (3+ / 0-)
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      That is the whole thing. The straight talk is bullshit, but bullshit is what the Gang of 500 eat at cocktail hour. McCain would hang out with them. So they were even "cooler" than before. It didn't matter that he was a coward.

      It shocks me to call somebody who survived a POW camp a coward, but there ya go. McCain will back down on core principles, in order to appease whomever he is trying to court. Good for the country, sad for him, it isn't working. The Freepi loathe McCain. Some of them actually say they would vote for Hillary before them, and to hell with his voting record, which is actually quite conservative. You can only bullshit people so long. McCain is truly full of shit.

      "I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done."

      by trifecta on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:11:38 PM PDT

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      •  There are many kinds of courage, and McCain (1+ / 0-)
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        has physical courage, which Bush doesn't, but he seems to have no moral courage, or political courage. It's a pity.

        It shocks me to call somebody who survived a POW camp a coward

        Just because he stood up to the Viet Cong in their prison camps, doesn't mean he has the courage of his convictions, or any convictions for that matter. He is not a physical coward, he has proven that more than most people ever have had to, but he is a moral coward. He caves in for political expediency. That is another kind of cowardice, it's the kind that costs other people their lives and livelyhoods. McCain should be ashamed of himself for pandering to Falwell. And he should re-read the Ten Commandments, especially the one that says, Thou Shalt Not Kill, and Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Goods. We are in Iraq for the oil, not to spread democracy. McCain should have figured that out by now. He is not an idiot. He is, however, an opportunist.

        What happens when Bush takes Viagra? he gets taller. Robin Williams

        by Demfem on Sat May 13, 2006 at 08:06:40 PM PDT

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        •  Could McCain... (0+ / 0-)
          be a target of a psy-ops campaign...subliminal messages of Vietnam War-era torture sessions piped in on a sideband frequency into his residence? Or into his head directly?

          Pat Robertson and Falwell are looking into this if their "new dog" gets out of hand further into the 2008 campaigning season...

          People in Eurasia on the brink of oppression: I hope it's gonna be alright... Pet Shop Boys: Introspective

          by rgilly on Sun May 14, 2006 at 02:30:52 PM PDT

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    •  Being from AZ (4+ / 0-)
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      I have to agree with Miss Laura, Colbert calling out McCain at the press dinner was one of my favorite moments.  It's unbelievable that so many people still think he's a moderate.   I get pro-environment mailers from his office....he plays both sides pretty cunningly.  

      Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known---Carl Sagan

      by LibChicAZ on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:12:59 PM PDT

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  •  So is McCain going to support the Hate Amendment? (4+ / 0-)

    I thought he said he wasn't going to.

  •  So Now I Guess It's Crooked Talkin' McCain (4+ / 0-)

    Perfect to lead the Republicans to yet higher levels of -- infamy.

    Independent Illinois Grassroots:

    by patachon on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:05:48 PM PDT

  •  Falwell tells McCain 'you have a lot (7+ / 0-)

    fence-mending to do."  And McCain travels to Liberty U.?

    Four words for you, Senator: What would Barry do?

    •  Barry Goldwater wouldn't recognize the current (5+ / 0-)
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      rgilly, Mogolori, ZAPatty, Jon B Good, lawman

      Republican Party as his own. He was a fiscal conservative, not a spree-spender, and he was an honorable man. That cannot be said for most of the members of the Republicans in office these days. Barry Goldwater would weep in sorrow for the mess the Republican Party has made of this country. I didn't agree with many of his positions, but I never held him in contempt. The current crop of Republicans have a long way to go before they get anywhere near Barry Goldwater's league.

      What happens when Bush takes Viagra? he gets taller. Robin Williams

      by Demfem on Sat May 13, 2006 at 08:14:05 PM PDT

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  •  That there is some integrity. (7+ / 0-)

    I never bought that because McCain wasn't on board with the religious right, he was some miracle of centrism.  And yet, even I'm disappointed in him.  Not shocked, after watching him these last 6 years, but disappointed - because he's learned to lie.  When he first endorsed Bush in 2000, he couldn't hide his distaste.  Learning to hide that shows how much more important to him his ambition is than any notion of integrity.

    Makes Colbert look still better, doesn't it?

  •  Hillary's ahead of McCain in approval polls now (1+ / 0-)
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    Significantly ahead.

    So McCain's got nowhere to go but to the right, to build up his base.

    Then there's that minor detail

    By 2007, we'll have someone twice as popular running. :)

    Cunningate: Coming for a Republican near you. :)

    by cskendrick on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:08:01 PM PDT

  •  So...much... cognitive... dissonnance... (13+ / 0-)

    Head...  Exploding....

    "Reality has a well-known liberal bias" -Stephen Colbert (-6.38/ -4.21)

    by wonkydonkey on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:09:02 PM PDT

  •  If only John Kerry himself (4+ / 0-)
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    Ralph, iCaroline, blueyedace2, LibChicAZ

    were to show up on the Sunday shows to point out the obvious "flip-flop" factor.

    "I'm John Kerry, and I know flip-flopping. And this is major flip-floppery!"

    Bye-bye Mr. "Straight talk"!

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:09:13 PM PDT

  •  Hillary Clinton is a liar (3+ / 7-)

    The pandering of the Clinton/Bush cabal continues. Were she elected, she would take us further in the direction of warrantless wiretaps and endless war.

    I take a holy vow to never kill again....try to remember peace.

    by NealB on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:09:38 PM PDT

  •  The Chicago Trib has Video of his speech. (1+ / 0-)
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    Accessible from here.

    Considered a leading candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, McCain did not directly refer to or apologize for his attack on Falwell in his first, unsuccessful presidential bid in 2000. But in urging the graduating students to "be respectful of the goodness in each other," McCain said, "I have not always heeded this injunction myself, and I regret it very much."

    McCain has said he will not decide until after the 2006 congressional elections whether he will run for president. But he has been campaigning for other Republicans, courting party activists and taking other steps that could lay the groundwork for a presidential bid.

    Aides said that McCain would deliver a similar commencement speech at other universities' year-end ceremonies in the coming weeks. But his self-deprecating, conciliatory tone seemed especially well-suited to mend fences with the evangelical leaders he alienated in 2000.

  •  He's Looking For (6+ / 0-)

    his last shaker of truth. Some people claim that there's powerlust to blame ......

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:12:40 PM PDT

  •  Don't You Mean 'Drops Trou'? (n/t) (1+ / 0-)
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    "[T]hat I have no remedy for all the sorrows of the world is no reason for my accepting yours. It simply supports the strong probability that yours is a fake."

    by Heronymous Cowherd on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:12:56 PM PDT

  •  Not the exact image I was looking for, but... (10+ / 0-)

    Reclaim Democracy: It's not just politics - it's economics, too

    by EconAtheist on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:13:25 PM PDT

  •  Let's say what it is. (3+ / 0-)
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    iCaroline, rgdurst, Southern Son

    Pandering. Pure and simple.

    McCain is a weakling, a coward who is obviously not capable of defending even his own beliefs.

    Is that the President you want?

    He's a W-U-S-S.

    It's the corruption, stupid!

    by Joe Bua on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:13:26 PM PDT

  •  he said with a grin, as he wiped off his chin... (1+ / 0-)
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    something something Jerry's something
    I would suck it.

    Bush gives pubic hair a bad name.

    by seesdifferent on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:22:28 PM PDT

  •  ahem... (1+ / 0-)
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    Bill Clinton and George Herbert Walker Bush conjointly gave the commencement addresses at Tulane.

    That's a lotta nerve considering the shape of the Ninth Ward. (See Delaware Dem's diary of yesterday if you want a reference)

    "Come on, Nicky, come home. Just come home. Home. Talk to me. ....Do you remember the trees?"

    by Miss Devore on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:23:45 PM PDT

  •  The full speech is posted at his web site. (0+ / 0-)

    If people were so inclined to read it. I did, not a bad speech as far as commencement speeches go.

  •  The Brown Nose Express (4+ / 0-)
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    Although I suppose the Double Talk Express works too.

    I've become downright merciless on my "moderate" Democrat and Republican friends who are still buying McCain's bullshit.  I badmouth him even worse than Bush.

    "Finally, a sex scandal!"
    - Stephanie Miller

    by Leggy Starlitz on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:26:08 PM PDT

  •  Must the man and woman be virgins? (1+ / 0-)
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    I think we should have an ammendment to the constitution that says that only virgins can get married.  It's just not godly for sluts and tramps to marry.

    Will you spend an hour on the ground for every 100 hours you spend fuming online?

    by dspivak on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:27:43 PM PDT

    •  yes, (0+ / 0-)
      And the ammendment should outlaw divorce too.  I mean, marraige is sacred or sanctimonious or something.

      In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

      by yet another liberal on Sat May 13, 2006 at 07:54:04 PM PDT

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      •  They won't outlaw divorce, too many of them (2+ / 0-)
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        are on their second or third wife. I mean, what is going to happen to all the future trophy wives if they outlaw divorce? How are all those middleaged men who made good going to show off their ability to still get it up and satisfy a young blond bimbo?? Remember back when the Clinton impeachment was going on and the Congress said they were going to investigate all the reports of fooling around in Congress? Five Congressmen resigned..LOL All Republicans, as I recall. I got a big kick out of that. But they will never outlaw divorce, it means they would have to live with their first wives, and that's no fun for a guy who has "made it" and is attracting all the trophy wife types who think power and money is an aphrodisiac...these guys look after themselves first, second and third, and every one else comes in a distant last.

        What happens when Bush takes Viagra? he gets taller. Robin Williams

        by Demfem on Sat May 13, 2006 at 08:27:42 PM PDT

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    •  Secondary virginity (1+ / 0-)
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      I remember a couple years ago, "secondary viginity" was a popular buzzword, used by non-virgins who have intended not to have sex again until they get married. It's a bizzare concept: how does intent factor into virginity? If someone can claim to be a secondary virgin, could I have claimed to be a secondary non-virgin when I was in high school, because although I was a virgin, I really, really didn't want to be? ;-)

  •  McCain sells out self and country (4+ / 0-)
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    John McCain, in his quest to win the 2008 Republican nomination, sold out.  

    McCain was right in 2000 about his take on the religous right.  I lost a lot of respect for the man because of this one issue; I'm sure I am not alone.  

    Here in "real world" America, we don't subscribe to the nonsense that Falwell and Robertson and their followers spew.  The only reason these people are given the time of day by the GOP is because they have a constituency that votes in higher numbers than other voting blocs.

    If the Democrats could run a politican that appealed to the reasonable citizens of this country--and they far and away outnumber the evangelicals--Fawell and the rest of 'em could take a permanent hike.

    No right to choose, no stem cell research, no science the classroom, among other things.  Yep, sign up this country for that.  It's a damn shame that a person like McCain, who knows better, is only encouraging this.

  •  Les calm down now netroots folk (1+ / 0-)
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    are soooooooooooooo uncivil.

    We should all be wishing Senator McCain a Happy Hirthday John!

    "Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing."

    by Nestor Makhnow on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:30:56 PM PDT

  •  Pandering Express (2+ / 0-)
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    Straight talk?  Give me a break.  McCain showed where he was headed back with the Schiavo debacle when he supported Congressional intervention.  So much for the so-called "states rights" conservative. Might as well be the hypocrite express for the lot of them...they'll turn right around and say there should be no Federal involvement with abortion....that should be decided state by which is it?  Which ever way works to pander to the fundies...principles and consistent politcal philosophy may twist in the wind.

    •  Now you can't fault him on the states' rights (0+ / 0-)

      as far as the Schiavo debacle goes. After all, Florida's governor was leading the charge. And all the Congress did was try to enforce what the governor was trying to do. They were both wrong, but that's not the point.

      What happens when Bush takes Viagra? he gets taller. Robin Williams

      by Demfem on Sat May 13, 2006 at 08:32:37 PM PDT

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  •  Once I took a crap (2+ / 0-)
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    And I looked in the bowl, and I thought it might be gold.

    But it was still crap.

    I feel the same about John McCain.

  •  Why We Fight (3+ / 0-)
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    My wife and I were both struck by the McCain interview segments in Why We Fight.  The man is either incredibly insincere or suffers from MPD - I'm betting the former.  When he does make his run, I hope the interview he gave for that outstanding documentary come back to haunt him.

  •  McCain Supported GOP Stance On Schiavo (5+ / 0-)

    Independent voters in this country who may have tolerated the fundies in the GOP to a great extent were shocked to see the extremism that the religous right displayed in the Schiavo case. A reminder that McCain joined the religous right in the message to the independent minded voters of this country that the right wing would be ready to interfere with the decisions of families during the most stressful times that families struggle with.

    The sad story of the political fight over the final wishes of Terri Schiavo is one that the republican party would like to forget. With the vast majority of the American people opposing the political intrustion into a private family matter, the issue highlights the republican party’s lack of disregard for privacy and personal wishes.

    Lest we forget, Senator John McCain was an active participant in the GOP hijacking of the woman’s last few days on earth. An ABC News story from March 2005 quotes McCain as saying:

       “I think that the motivation of my colleagues is that we want to give this young woman’s family a chance to care for her for as long as she lives,”

    Yeah, I’m sure concern for Terri was the only thing on John McCain’s mind. In reality, he wanted to break the law and the right of Terri’s husband to carry out her final wishes. He wanted to politicize the event in order to curry favor with the radical religious right. Anyone who courts them and their extreme agenda is no moderate.

    Good Government. Traffic Lights Aren't All That Weird. Vote Democratic!

    by HL Mungo on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:42:28 PM PDT

  •  The so called media built him up as a moderate (3+ / 0-)
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    He'll fool the voters just like Bush the "compassionate conservative" fooled the voters.

  •  props (3+ / 0-)
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    for the "Full Monty supine pander."

  •  And to think (4+ / 0-)

    I use to respect this man for his service to the country and how he stood up to the other repugs. Now we see he is just another repug scammer.

    All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson

    by kidshaleen on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:56:47 PM PDT

  •  But on the Upside... (1+ / 0-)
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    David Moore

    He's been Saved and now he anxiously awaits The Rapture.
    See ya...

    "Whenever 2 Republicans are gathered in his name, there is gloom." Mark Shields

    by steelman on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:58:56 PM PDT

  •  What is that giant sucking sound? (0+ / 0-)

    Oh, yes, it's John McCain, sloppily hoovering away on the giant, barbed phallus of the religious right.

    Some things are not for sale. Send the Republicans home in 2006.

    by The Termite on Sat May 13, 2006 at 05:59:20 PM PDT

  •  he joined the fold? (1+ / 0-)
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    ..a word to the wise is sufficient...even Google won't help a fool..

    by Demogator on Sat May 13, 2006 at 06:03:58 PM PDT

  •  The day will come (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm waiting for the day when these people realize that every Repub who wants to be Prez will lie until they turn blue in the face to get their vote.  Are they really dumb enough to think that they really control the Repubs?  The only people who have gotten what they want from the Repubs is big business and the rich.  Just what have they done for the so called christians?  

    The day will come, after they keep voting over and over and never get what they really want, when there will be hell to pay.  I just wonder how long it's going to take for them to get out their pitchforks and go chasing down the Repubs?  I wonder if they'll try burning them at the stake and call it God's will?

    •  let's be honest (0+ / 0-)

      a lot of Democrats are full of shit too. I would like to think that Republicans are the only politicians that are spineless, but we have a problem in America where many of our politicians, both Democrat and Republican, are just pathetic.

      People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people

      by zoso553 on Sat May 13, 2006 at 08:06:53 PM PDT

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      •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

        People are sick of all politicians.  They all lie. It's the reason less and less people get out an vote.  They figure why bother.  One crook or liar is just like the other.  They will tell you anything they think you want to hear to get them elected.  What have any of them done for us lately? Do I think the dems will do anything if they take over the House or Senate?  The answer is no.  They've all gotten in bed with big business and K-Street.  It's all about power and money.  Until we have real campaign finance reform, we'll get the worst money can buy.  

        I think we need a law to allow 3 months tops for the campaign trail.  Limit them to X amount of money.  Also, I think they should all have to take a test on the Constitution of this country.  I also think the president and VP should have to take an IQ test.  I went through a job interview that required an IQ test, a personality test and an aptitude test.  All for a job that paid $6.00 an hour.  Go figure.

  •  Dean was on the 700 Club (0+ / 0-)

    Whats up with that.  It makes sense for a republican to coozy up to Falwell.But giving a wacko like Roberstosn legitimacy by appearing on his shows?

    •  I don't have a problem with that... (0+ / 0-)

      as long as he didn't pander. I teach at a conservative Catholic college. Does that make me any less who I am politically?

      Answer: only if I sell out.

      The IDEA of giving this commencement address is fine. The disturbing thing is the suggestion that McCain would change policy on issues like a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

      "... are they this great America? this poor scum that has floated somehow into the presidency?" -- Walt Whitman

      by godotnut on Sun May 14, 2006 at 01:36:51 PM PDT

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  •  What a flip-flopper (0+ / 0-)

    Then again, I suppose it is possible he has always been a full-fledged cult member.

    For all we know, he may have been pandering to the center for the past 20 years.

  •  Oh My God, people are waking up to the fact (0+ / 0-)

    that we will become the Christian version of Iran .
    Either you guys wake up that you have to destroy this ugly monster or it will eat you.
    My site was started because I saw this mess coming, now you have Kevin Phillips telling you.
    There is an offer at the site to shut down based upon what we say is the misinterpretation of the OT Messiah message which Never said a beilef in the Messiah was required to get into Heaven.
    The site also claims and show why the God of the Bible is a stupid baby killing liar and Jesus a stupid liar.
    Some may find this hateful, so either you or have your clergy accept the offer at site to shut down

  •  'Mend Fences' My Arse (1+ / 0-)
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    Because Jerry F. is a man of the cloth, he must temper his words from what he really wants to say. When he slipped up asking for the taking out of Venezuela's president, he later said he didn't mean kill him, just assassinate him. When he said McCain needs to mend fences, he's really saying McCain needs to kiss asses, just like he did Bush's in the 2004 election. Shame Jerry F. isn't a straight talker like McCain.

  •  What a pathetic sad story... (1+ / 0-)
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    Thus will be the ending of John McCain, when the chritian right is relegated back to the shadow corners of the political world.  Where they once were and will be again as deserved.  What a bunch of freaks!  McCain you are enabling these zealots.  Knock it the fuck off.

  •  I was never a fan (4+ / 0-)

    but I didn't think that he was a greedy opportunist until the 2004 election where he slobbered all over Bush and Rove.  That's when I knew that he's probably worse than the wack-jobs, because he definitely knows better.  He knows what it's like to send young people to war, and he knows what torture is.  That he can turn away for his own self-serving ambitions is unforgivable.


    by KellyB on Sat May 13, 2006 at 06:34:37 PM PDT

  •  How To Destroy McCain in 2008 (3+ / 0-)
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    turnover, David Moore, Southern Son

    Simple TV ad:

    Narrator lists all the hate-filled polemics that Fallwell has spewed.

    Run clip of McCain denouncing the Rel. Right. in 2000.

    Show him making up with Fallwell. Have Narrator ask whether he is pandering, or if he 'really believed a mand who said "X" deserves a place at the table of American politics.' Fade with Fallwell saying something outrageous -- i.e. Liberals caused 9/11 or some such nonsense.

    In fact, this should be done for every GOP candidate.

    Sponge Bob, Mandrake, Cartoons. That's how your hard-core islamahomocommienazis work.

    by Benito on Sat May 13, 2006 at 06:40:17 PM PDT

    •  This is too scientific for the religious right (0+ / 0-)

      All McCain has to say is that he is "saved" and the religious right will believe him.

      Then he'll tell them that if they send $35 to his campaign, God will shower them we prosperity and fortune. Plus they'll get an actual piece of the cross Christ was crucified on along with a vial of holy water from the Jordan River.

      Don't you get it? The religious right believes the Left Behind novels are actually going to happen verbatim.

      And true, hard, cold facts will never penetrate their fervent beliefs.

      Besides. Why would they listen to us? We're "dark-sided".

      •  RR isn't the target (0+ / 0-)

        It's the folks sitting on the fence these ads would be targeted on.

        Sponge Bob, Mandrake, Cartoons. That's how your hard-core islamahomocommienazis work.

        by Benito on Sat May 13, 2006 at 09:49:20 PM PDT

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      •  McCain will next need to assuage the... (0+ / 0-)
        "disk bread nibblers", for having visited the anti-Popish Falwell. Fair and balanced. Equal time.

        Expect next McCain photo-op to be with an outspoken archbishop, pre-approved by the likes of Opus Dei and Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (aka The Inquisition)...

        People in Eurasia on the brink of oppression: I hope it's gonna be alright... Pet Shop Boys: Introspective

        by rgilly on Sun May 14, 2006 at 02:41:56 PM PDT

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    •  Best idea I've see yet for '06 and '08. (1+ / 0-)
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      Repeat everywhere.

  •  Yawn. McCain's a Lieberman clone (3+ / 0-)
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    who's actually in the GOP.

    I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

    by gabbardd on Sat May 13, 2006 at 06:46:42 PM PDT

  •  Sorry about (1+ / 0-)
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    an incomplete post. It should read: McCain's artistic license with his POW status has long expired. Hey fella, you can't simply say or do whatever the fuck you want. Falwell is a loathsome idiot. McCain is a loathsome follower.

    Jeez, we need better than this guy!


  •  Well that made me lose my dinner. (0+ / 0-)

    Apparently character weakness is contagious.

  •  McCain fan... (0+ / 0-)

    he's pandering to the base of the GOP. no shit. he's a republican. still think he's an honest guy and a better public servant than 99% of the other assholes out there, Dem or GOP. i don't agree with him ideologiclly, but i still have respect for the man. it's no more pandering for him to go to Liberty than it is for Dean to go on the 700 Club, or for Gephardt and Kucinich and other Dems to turn on a dime and start supporting abortion rights because they pander to the feminists (same with George BUsh I turning his back on abortion rights to get in good with the prolife crazies who control the GOP).

  •  McCain used to (0+ / 0-)

    be what a lot of people in America were looking for: a leader who wasn't afraid to really say what he thought, not worrying about pandering to extreme ideologues on either side of the political spectrum. McCain truly is a shell of his former self. If you see him speak or appear on the talk show circuit, he honestly looks like  half the man he used to be. While I never have agreed with everything that McCain ever said, I was at least able to respect him because he was what Rove created Bush to be, an honest guy. This is the problem with politicians. Most of them start out good, but sooner or later the establishments get to them and break their backs.

    People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people

    by zoso553 on Sat May 13, 2006 at 08:00:40 PM PDT

  •  car wreck (2+ / 0-)
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    Watching McCain now is sort of fascinating, in the way watching a car wreck is.
    This once proud man, combat veteren, smart, up and comer now prostituting himself to low life con men, and backstabbing weasels like Roberston and Falwell.
    He doesn't get it yet that their day is ending now, he waited too long to make his deal with the devil. Nope, Bush beat him to it and now he's just another presidential wannabe because Bush boy screwed the pooch for the whole party. Just took all that carefully build up foundation of support and pissed it away on his grandiose schemes.
    All the Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact that they are going down, but McCain is so desperate, all he can think to do now, for his one last true shot, is to sell out body and soul to these tired assed shysters and hope they can work  the trick one more time. Sorry John, too late.

  •  McCain's comments have done one good thing - (1+ / 0-)
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    my conservation Catholic cousins who hate Falwell have ruled out voting for McCain, who they practically worshipped.  (Actually, I think the guys just think his wife is HOT!)

    "Reality has a well known liberal bias" Stephen Colbert

    by Rogneid on Sat May 13, 2006 at 08:09:12 PM PDT

  •  McCain was right! (1+ / 0-)
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    Governor Bush is a Pat Robertson Republican who will lose to Al Gore.

  •  The clergy in England just shot down a bill that (0+ / 0-)

    would have allowed you to take your life if you were in excruciating pain.
    These are the same con artists that tell you that you have free will but think if God wants you should suffer.
    Well if I have free will , I also have the right to choose not to suffer while on Earth and if there is hereafter which only con artists of religion tell you, then God will have me suffer.
    But if God gave me free will, I surely don' want people I know are liars telling me I can't use it.
    And when I say liar , they are worse then used car or insurance salesman because they are lying about the Creator whoever He or She may be.
    Offended by this then go to where there is an offer to shut down based on the lies told and refute what is said or have your clergy do it for you

  •  Things people will do for power (0+ / 0-)

    McCain is their best chance, and a very good chance. He is just the usual unprincipled rethug maniac (this time in media descibed "moderate" clothing) who cannot wait to get his taste of power.

  •  Great Diary! (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for a great Diary!

    I have two words for John McCain: Pander Bear

  •  McCain's a Punk (0+ / 0-)

    He has had multiple opportunities in the last six years to do some "straight talking", dating all the way back to the South Carolina tarring campaign run by the Bushistas and stretching through Swiftboatgate and the current sea of corruption and lying.

    He's clearly so entranced with the idea of being President that he's willing to suck anybody's hot button issue, ignore all these areas where he allegedly stands for integrity in the name of short term political convenience, including the issues he supposedly stands for the most -- campaign reform balanced budgets, and strong defense.

    At least Colin Powell, when he was fronting for a guy and KNEW he was doing wrong, did not have the effrontery to use his shilling as a launching point for higher office. McCain stands with people who are against everything he has supposedly stood for -- from disclaiming torture to honesty in government. That  makes him a liar or a hypocrite or both. And to my mind that makes him a punk, a shill, and unfit for even the office of Senator, much less President.

    How's that for straight talk?

    Is "doing the best that you can" the best you can do?

    by TheCrank on Sat May 13, 2006 at 09:28:48 PM PDT

  •  Hate Crime? (0+ / 0-)

    Is  the Federal Marriage Amendment akin to a hate crime?

  •  andrew sullivan goes all creamy (1+ / 0-)
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  •  It's ironic that McCain survived torture (0+ / 0-)

    in Vietnam, only to be forced to take sides with pseudo-clerics who actually support a regime that flouts torture, illegal imprisonment, Abu Ghraib near-torture, spying on innocent Americans, and a homophobia that deprives the military of skilled interpreters who could help lessen the amount of deaths and traumatic injuries already suffered by about 2,400 KIA and more than 16,000 grieviously wounded. Draft dodger Bush has become a virtual Purple Heart and Gold Star mother factory. The so-called culture of life bears some deadly fruits. And, as their favorite book says, "by their fruits shall you know them." Hopefully, by the 2006 election, the Republican Party will go the way of the Know-Nothings, the Coppperheads, and other virulent forms of organized bigotry.

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