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Four (4) pieces of political artwork, de moi...please do dig at your Sunday discretion! :)


Red State Blues:

Portrait of Pete Seeger's Creative Process:

Uh-Oh-- Time for Toppled Statues:

...more collaborative/satirical political art and fiction ( a ludibirum, to be precise (not to mention timely)) at  The Way I Disappeared Above and Below

Originally posted to overturned turtle on Sun May 28, 2006 at 12:10 PM PDT.

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  •  Very interesting. (0+ / 0-)

    Love the Seeger piece and Airborne - but all four are good.

    Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one. - A.J. Liebling

    by va dare on Sun May 28, 2006 at 12:14:18 PM PDT

  •  Very nice work. (0+ / 0-)

    Are these computer graphics or done in other media and scanned/photoed?  A little exhibit info if you will.  Again, very nice work.  Thank you.

    "From discord find harmony." Einstein

    by Friend of the court on Sun May 28, 2006 at 12:20:05 PM PDT

  •  We can always use more art around here :-) (3+ / 0-)

    Teacher's Lounge opens each Saturday, sometime between 10am and 11am EST

    by rserven on Sun May 28, 2006 at 12:29:33 PM PDT

  •  are those pentecostal tongues of flame (0+ / 0-)

    over the 2 people's heads in Red State Blues?

    •  yup (1+ / 0-)
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      phemme texxii

      they just...felt right  ;)

      "did I sound abstract? I hope it sounded more confusing than that..."

      by overturned turtle on Sun May 28, 2006 at 12:51:46 PM PDT

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      •  tongues of flame are so underused. (3+ / 0-)

        and the holy "ghost" is so neglected, to my way of thinking.
        (ex-catholic, always saw the holy spirit as the girl of the 3. they never seemed to have a picture of her, other than the occasional bird or tongue of flame.)

        ok, my opinions & take (which will be even more subjective here than it is  on other diary/topics! so you may or may not have any use..but I'd want some kind of feedback if I were you, so i'll go ahead:)

        Airbourne & Red State are the most successful & striking to me at the moment;
        on my monitor the colors on Red State are pretty amazing - a clear, liquid-looking red & a kind of opaque slate.

        I have nothing against the other two pieces; maybe they're just not showing up very well for me (are kind of dark by comparison, and I don't think they were originally..?) so I'll leave them alone. Also, I have to run in a minute, so I don't have enough time to get into all 4 right now.

        Love the composition on Airbourne, but am not sure if I'd have gone with such a fashiony girl figure. I mean, I would have, but I'm not sure if it works or not... her pose is perfect though. Maybe her legs needed to be a little more messed up somehow? less pretty, even tattoo/graffiti/some text or characters, just a few? I don't mind the chiffon frippery of the dress, but i guess her legs are just too smooth or something.

        The composition & the way you integrate all the elements is really successful, to me. I love to collage & even paint in a kind of collage style when I do, but I don't always do so well with the background passages, whereas you do in the bottom right corner in the first piece.

        The second one has a strong composition too- what are those glyphs/characters? excuse my ignorance if they're something obvious. the one looks like a Christ-fish, but I could be reading that in since I'm in a red state right now & they swim past my agnostic fish-free vehicle every day here!

        Oh, and what size are these in RL?

        thanks for posting these - it was great to get a break from text.

        •  what does RL mean? Thanks. n/t (0+ / 0-)
          •  Real Life (0+ / 0-)

            Not very big...the originals are usually around 10x15 or so, but I futz around with them and do prints of larger sizes.

            It's really funny/sad how important the size of a piece is in terms of what you get paid for it.

            Take that however you will.


            "did I sound abstract? I hope it sounded more confusing than that..."

            by overturned turtle on Sun May 28, 2006 at 02:32:58 PM PDT

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        •  smiles to you (2+ / 0-)
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          seriously...huge thanks for the feedback!

          I too was raised in and escaped from the Holy Mother Church (Jesuit high school, no less), and had my own Holy Ghost fetish as a kid. It was the one part of the trinity that didn't feel like an authority figure. It was mysterious. Absent the Latin Mass, it was the only real magic left in the whole operation.

          I used acrylic for the reds and greys on Red State, but a washed acrylic ink on all the figures. I love how vivid the raw acrylics get, but I was reared on ink and am incredibly impatient about drying times, so even acrylic takes too long. Forget oil, which I absolutely adore but always end up with a paint caked floor, a full-body epidermal palette, and a strange/frustrated hangover after no sleep (and of course a wet painting for the next three years).

          And definitely, all of them are too dark and a bit blurry (my scanner is shot (stepped on, to be precise (a fine moment)) so I'm using a little digital camera with untrained hands and a wish).

          I picked the model both for the pose and for the context of what the piece is for, which is a new collaborative art project that some friends and I started. Essentially it's a blog for a fictional world that centers around a group of surrealist revolutionaries (modeled after the Zapatistas, hence the mask on the non-sequitorial runway girl). It parallels contemporary politics, with some posts about real things (like COPE and resurgent Latin American leftism) but with aspects of the fictional story worked in. Some posts are art, some are fiction, and some are entirely crazy. It links out to other community sites, too, so the story takes place across the internet. E.G., two of the revolutionaries in the story have MySpace accounts so readers can converse with the characters and change the storyline (We've got music for it, too!) In any case, it's a pretty fun idea, and it's just getting started, so if you'd like to add any of your artwork to the site definitely hit me off with an email and we'll chat!
          Link to the site is at the bottom of the diary entry... :)

          Sorry for the babbling, and many thanks for the excellent feedback!

          blessings and bright flowers

          oh and yes...lettters in Red State Blues are and bottome words spell "swim" and the middle word is "petomai", which usually means "fly" or "I am flying" but, according to John C. Hampsey, means something altogether more beautiful in Aristophanes' play The Clouds, which is:  flying on the wings of uncertain hopes    


          "did I sound abstract? I hope it sounded more confusing than that..."

          by overturned turtle on Sun May 28, 2006 at 02:28:42 PM PDT

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  •  Wow. (0+ / 0-)

    I think these are really great.

    I'm very old school (as in, my main medium is a #2 pencil, and scraps of paper).  I would like to be able to work with both for-real media, and also with computer graphics, as you mentioned you had done with the above pieces.  

    I know nothing about technology.  What would be the best software for me to teach myself?  Is photoshop the best way to get started?  I messed around with the "paint" program that came with my laptop, but in only a few weeks I have out-grown it.  I need to teach myself the industrial-strength stuff.

    Any advice is very much appreciated.

    Thanks for posting your work.

    All my very best to you.

    -- Dave.

    •  thanks! (0+ / 0-)

      I'm about to run out for a minute, but check back in a couple hours and I'll give you the lowdown...



      "did I sound abstract? I hope it sounded more confusing than that..."

      by overturned turtle on Sun May 28, 2006 at 02:39:39 PM PDT

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    •  materials et al (1+ / 0-)
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      Dave the Rave

      Well, we're probably in the same boat materials-wise...i'm an inveterate #2 notebook scribbler, too (LOVES me some mechanical pencils), so I very rarely create anything entirely in computer programs. Photoshop CS8 is definitely the best if you're going to be enhancing or coloring stuff that you did by hand, as well as evening out awkward layering in collage work or streaky coloration from ill-applied inks (the basic trick as far as I can tell is not to overdo it with the "art" filters (eg, i overdid it in the piece above called "toppled statues'). very light use of the Dry Brush filter usually softens up any harshness without making the whole thing look overly digital or contrived).

      There's some magazines like Computer Arts that have pretty helpful tutorials every month, so I would also suggest those (I'm pretty new at the digital stuff myself, though, so anything you figure out, please let me know).

      If you're interested in creating images straight from the machine, on the ohter hand, Illustrator or any other vector-drawing program should do the trick.

      But from what you said, Photoshop is definitely the way to go.

      Let me know how it turns out...


      "did I sound abstract? I hope it sounded more confusing than that..."

      by overturned turtle on Sun May 28, 2006 at 06:58:54 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks for all the info... (0+ / 0-)


            Thanks for the helpful info.  I will keep you posted as I investigate further.  I am way behind the learning curve; I've got a lot of catching up to do.

            If you don't mind, I might pass along your username, or simply a link to this diary, to a poster here on DKos called the Grand Moff Texan.  He is one of the "big guns" who ocassionally posts here; scathingly good writer.  I've been in contact with him recently, exchanging a few ideas, looking for where his writings and ideas intersect with my art skills, starting with a simple focus on political cartoons.  You may, or may not, be interested in some of the concepts we may develope along the way.

            I will also check out your whole website thing.  I've had a concept for a few years now, that I think of as an "interactive internet graphic novel w/ music".  A bit cumbersome to say it that way, but so be it.  I'm sure there are people doing all sorts of related stuff, flash animations and such, though I have yet to find anything that is as down right simple and powerful as the idea that I've got.  I just need to teach myself the technology to get started, so that I have something substantial to show people as an example of what I'm getting at.

            Anyway, great meeting you.


            p.s. -- another question that I always feel obliged to ask professional artists:  

            How did you make the leap to doing it professionally?  I have a lot of admiration for folks who actually earn their keep through their art.  Do you have any kind of day job/consulting where you do graphic design and such?  Is that a route you'd recommend?

            Sorry to dog you with all these questions...

        •  sounds (1+ / 0-)
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          Dave the Rave

          great! I'd definitely love to plot on some Kos-collaboration, so pass along my name/link to whomever (also send me some of your stuff!).

          I'd also be very interested in trading ideas for online fiction forms. My training in college was as a fiction writer, where I published in a few little lit journals, and that's still my primary interest.

          As for the art/money continuum, suffice it to say that it's quite a struggle. I do freelance illustration whenever I can (do a fair amount of work for bands and record labels; media-kits, album art, print ads, etc.), but most cash-infusions come from corporate-type freelance copywriting and copyediting jobs. Selling capital-a Art happens enough to keep me sane (and more importantly to keep the faith), but at this point it pretty much pays for my art supplies and maybe a bit of beer money ;) .  
          The only advice I can really offer is to keep making art and to be pretty accomodating when it comes to price. If you can get broke/hip youth to buy your work, for however cheap, it's going to help in a huge way-- in my experience, anybody who pays their hard-earned money for a piece of art effectively becomes the best sort of advertising on earth.

          The main problem with freelance work is never knowing for sure when or where the next paycheck is coming from. It can definitely drive you mad, so it's best not to be above one-off odd jobs (for instance, I recently did a bit of construction-type stuff, installing fiberglass installation in ceilings (new appreciation for Michelangelo, after that one)). Anything, in short, that keeps me out of any office but my own.

          So, yeah, hope that was some help. But, again, every artist I know (from musicians to collagists) has a completely different story as to how they make it happen, and it's always going to depend on the particular energy of your work.

          Oh, and yeah, the other obvious suggestions are the good-old Writer's Market and Graphic Artists' Market books, as well as a book called Pricing and Ethical Guidelines for The Graphic Artist, which is published by the Graphic Artist Guild.

          blessings good sir, and do keep in touch!

          "did I sound abstract? I hope it sounded more confusing than that..."

          by overturned turtle on Mon May 29, 2006 at 10:46:28 AM PDT

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  •  Great art, great change of pace n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Stop Democrats from enabling the conservative Republican LOST CAUSE.

    by skywriter on Sun May 28, 2006 at 02:46:59 PM PDT

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