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Why do I have to go to the United States Senate to get reassurances that somebody in our government still wants to catch the #1 terrorist in the world who directed the killings of 2,986 Americans on September 11, 2001?  Why don't we have a Commander in Chief who is focused on keeping us safe and finding Osama bin Laden?

As was reported in the last couple of days, the CIA unit dedicated to hunting down Osama bin Laden, was shut down.  Was it that the president had other priorities, like, say attacking a country that had no WMD and no connections with al Qaeda?  

Thankfully, my outrage about this disturbing piece of news has been matched by Senator John Kerry's, who has fired off a letter to John Negroponte, Director of National Intelligence.

A few biting excerpts:

This unit should be reconstituted immediately and given all resources necessary to finish the job of holding bin Laden accountable and preventing him from organizing or inspiring future attacks against the United States and our allies.

There is no question that since 9/11, al Qaeda has morphed into a global terrorist movement that transcends any one individual. The decision to divert resources from the crucial fight against bin Laden and al Qaeda to wage war on Iraq has made the task of eradicating this increasingly diffuse threat more difficult. We now face a long, difficult and multi-faceted struggle against global terrorism and the hateful ideology that inspires it.

I continue to be puzzled by why the MSM repeats the mantra that Bush's strongest suit is the War on Terror.  It seems to me that the Democrats have been more focused on the people who attacked us on that awful day, instead of the group with the real pre-9/11 mentality who attacked a country they already wanted to attack since 1998.

Back to you, Senator:

Moreover, disbanding the bin Laden unit sends the message to the terrorists that they can kill thousands of Americans without being held to account. Given that Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz was quoted this week as saying that "nobody has any idea" where bin Laden is, it is especially important that we send a clear message now that we have not given up the hunt. Reconstituting the bin Laden unit now would make it clear that we will never rest until he has been brought to justice.

Past failures to eliminate bin Laden at Tora Bora and in the nearly five years since 9/11 are no excuse for failing to do everything possible to find him now. The CIA's bin Laden unit can play an important part of our effort to win the war on terror, and I urge you to revive and strengthen it as soon as possible.

Of course, bin Laden has served Mr. Bush well, at least in the electoral and political realm.  Anyone else read this nugget in Ron Suskind's new book "The One Percent Solution":

On Oct. 29, 2004, Osama bin Laden released his
"October surprise," an 18-minute tape attacking Bush. The CIA analyzed the tape and concluded that "bin Laden's message was clearly designed to assist the President's reelection." That day, at a meeting at the CIA, acting director John McLaughlin remarked, "Bin Laden certainly did a nice favor today for the president." [Jami] Miscik [deputy director of the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence] presented analysis that bin Laden felt challenged by the rise of the thuggish Zarqawi, who called himself commander of al-Qaida in Iraq, and that bin Laden was refocusing attention through his tape on his cosmic and continuing one-on-one battle with Bush. "Certainly," she said, "he would want Bush to keep doing what he's doing for a few more years."

In case you have forgotten, the Bush Campaign team viewed that tape at the time as a little gift.  That's the group of "folks" we have working in the White House today, who no longer are focused on finding the man behind the largest attack on American soil in U.S. history.

I for one still want Osama bin Laden captured or killed, so I urge everyone to echo Senator Kerry's call for the CIA to continue that search.  It seems, officials at the CIA who are free to speak their mind agree:

A former CIA official who once led the unit, Michael Scheuer, told the Times that its shutdown was a mistake.

"This will clearly denigrate our operations against al-Qaida," he said. "These days at the agency, bin Laden and al-Qaida appear to be treated merely as first among equals."

Send a message to the President and the GOP, that we are not going to accept giving up the search for Osama bin Laden.  We will never accept defeat, and will carry on until justice is served to the victims of 9/11.  If they won't do it, then it looks like it's time to change the government to a party who will.

Originally posted to beachmom on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 12:40 PM PDT.

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  •  re (5+ / 0-)


    "Hey Joe! I am running as a Steve Holtian Democrat!" - Steve Holt

    by cookiesandmilk on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 12:38:48 PM PDT

  •  Recommended (16+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the diary, beachmom.  This needs more play.

    Bush should stop worrying about two guys in a bedroom, and start worrying about one guy in a cave.

    by BlueInARedState on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 12:40:19 PM PDT

    •  Osama and George sitting in a tree (13+ / 0-)


      These two need each other.

      Osama needs Bush's bumbling anti-terror tacticts that actually spread terrorism AND Bush needs  Bin Laden to put out a video once in a while to spread fear  and for a timely ratings boost.

      "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin." Charles Darwin

      by Rockydog on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 01:14:58 PM PDT

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      •  Only (2+ / 0-)
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        there has only been audio for years now. Hard to believe Usama is still among us.

        •  Don't underestimate the strategy (7+ / 0-)

          behind his timing. I assert that it's all planned. If Bin Laden releases video's too often they lose there impact.

          Notice that a video came out just before the '04 election. I'd bet dollars to donuts (Mmm donuts) that another one appears before this election cycle or in '08.


          "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin." Charles Darwin

          by Rockydog on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:06:40 PM PDT

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          •  You are right, Rockydog (5+ / 0-)

            OBL, in addition to being a mass murderer, is a bit of a political leader, and we need to study him and figure him out.  He, like our enemies in the Soviet Union, is playing political games and sending signals and we should not miss what they are.  Pity the American people didn't figure out what he was doing on 10/29/04.

            •  Fuck that. Kill the SOB. (2+ / 0-)
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              Arnaud de Borchgrave went over to Kandahar in 2001, well before 9/11. He interviewed Mullah Omar, who comes off about 180-degrees reversed from what we're hearing from Bush-Cheney.

              Google it or search at UPI web site.

              Taliban actually arrested Binladen and offered to try him for the African embassy bombings. Under Sharia Law.

              •  Well, yes get him -- (3+ / 0-)
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                I'm talking about in the mean time.  I think CIA SHOULD analyze everything about him and his organization.  You know -- know the enemy.  Like this question: how does OBL get people to join his organization?  I think that's knowledge worth knowing so we can PREVENT people from going to the "dark side".

                •  Wahhabi recruitment based on Abu Ghraib, murders (0+ / 0-)

                  It's not difficult to get martyr-volunteers after Bush put totally untrained National Guard rednecks in-country Iraq.

                  1. No language training. No training for occupation tasks. 0% of what Israel provides for its soldiers in I.D.F.
                  1. Ride around in SUVs with soft, flat undersides with NO MISSION other than being targets.
                  1. No connection to neighborhood political units.
                  1. That @#$%(*&^%$ Bremer in Baghdad's Green Zone doing everything he could to make enemies of the Iraqi Sunnis.

                  Yeah, the kids had more than a few go-nuts events.

                  Re OBL: Where's his wives and kids ?????? Which palace in Saudi Arabia ?????????????

          •  Too often (1+ / 0-)
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            He hasn't aired on in years, whereas Zwahiri pops up every few months. Another indicator that the leadership is disjointed, their appearances no longer trigger coordinated attacks.

          •  'Tis what I was saying in '04 (0+ / 0-)

            When bin Laden came out with his tape in '04 just a few days before the election, I posted on this website that bin Laden just campaigned on behalf of Bush, and may have swung the election.  A number of people, 100% of those who responded to my posts, told me I was crazy, that bin Laden's tape would instead compel voters to cast their ballots for Kerry/Edwards because bin Laden was reminding everyone that Bush had failed to catch him.

            Ah, but even then I recognized then the delusional wishful thinking.

            I agree that if a strategically-thinking bin Laden has the ability to make it happen, there will be something occurring in 2008 to keep the neocon, imperialist "hawks" in power so that they can continue to recklessly drain the resources of the West on fool's-errand wars.  And it will again succeed---

            unless someone like Wesley Clark is on the ticket....

            "Life is forever menaced by chaos and must restore balance with every intake of breath"-- Jean Gebser

            by rangemaster on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 10:31:19 PM PDT

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            •  Well, we were ALL in Spin City by that point (1+ / 0-)
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              4 days before the election wasn't really a time to get all philosophical.  We had to be as positive as we could be that our candidate would prevail.  Still . . . there were signs that we ALL knew OBL's appearance was a very bad sign.  I heard reports of depression in the Kerry camp and glee in the Bush camp.  They knew what it meant, while Fox News tried to sell the bullshit that OBL had endorsed Kerry.

              I like Clark, but he would have had as difficult a time as Kerry with the MSM mantra of "Bush is strong with the war on terror", and the reality at the time that backed up that statement.  I know people in New York state who voted for Bush because "he made me feel safe".  There were no facts to back that up, just an emotional need to think he was going to save her and the country.  But this diary is NOT going to replay the '04 primaries -- John Kerry was our candidate, and he was dealing with a wartime encumbent president who despite everything was still viewed as "strong" in 2004.

              •  Just to clarify (0+ / 0-)

                When I spoke of "reality", I meant that people BELIEVED that Bush was strong in regards to the war on terror, not that he REALLY was strong fighting terrorists.

              •  Clark would have had as difficult of a time? (0+ / 0-)

                A large component of my professional life is the study of people.  You addressed the fundamental reason Bush won and Kerry lost, and that is the desiring of security, ie, pursuing behaviors that reinforced the psychological defense of death denial, of the voter.

                Bush couldn't have withstood the image of "the General"; although most of us would have liked to believe at the time that Kerry's Vietnam war experience would carry him, his post-Vietnam performances, including the throwing of his ribbons (absent the medals, which just reinforced the already-established belief that he tended to be an exploitive opportunist) over the Whitehouse fence, were ripe with the contradictory messages and symbolisms of weakness and unfirmness, ripe with messages that contradicted the warrior image.  Your own experience with your New York friends infer as much.

                Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, would have had no such trouble.  The photos of the General mounted on horseback addressing the troops, the story of rapelling down a Bosnian cliff to pull survivors from a burning armored personnel carrier, these recent and uncontradicted images contain symbolisms of great strength, of a great "protector" of which a substantial portion of the voting public were in desperate need.  Being a scientist of human behavior and motivation, I have little doubt that bin Laden's tape would have actually worked substantially in the favor of Clark over Bush.

                And I'm afraid that we'll be seeing the same dynamics play out in 2008; whomever presents with the least-contradicted warrior image will win (watch McCain excel if he can survive the 2008 primaries to become the repuglican candidate).

                Not replay the 2004 primaries?  I should hope to think that we would if we are to learn how to not repeat the same mistakes....  I would hope we're capable of some introspection.

                "Life is forever menaced by chaos and must restore balance with every intake of breath"-- Jean Gebser

                by rangemaster on Wed Jul 12, 2006 at 01:29:48 AM PDT

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      •'re going to make Joe Jealous! (13+ / 0-)


        'First they bore you, then they tickle you, then they bite you, then you whine.' (p.s. I like the Ghandi quote, but I like teasing it too!)

        by BentLiberal on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:11:00 PM PDT

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  •  Let me get this straight (45+ / 0-)

    To set a reasonable timetable to withdraw troops from a war/occupation where our continued presence not only depletes our overdrawn troops but inflames the anger and resentment of the entire unstable region is "cutting and running".  

    Closing down the Bin Laden unit because we can't find him is...what? Success?

    And if this is a War On Terror, don't we need to dedicate resources to neutralizing this guy?  What message is Bush sending?

    can not compute...

  •  Why does John Kerry hate America so much? (10+ / 0-)


    "Laugh while you can, monkey-boy" - Emilio Lizardo

    by jeno mules on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 12:47:25 PM PDT

  •  Isn't It Clear Chimp Doesn't Want To Find OBL? (20+ / 0-)

    In fact, it would not surprise me in the least if Chimp and OBL turned out to be buddies, just like he and Bandar Bu$h.

    Osama is The Chimperor's bogeyman.  Finding Osama would be a disaster because then Supreme Leader Bu$h would no longer be able to terrorize the American serfs.

  •  Echo Chamber (11+ / 0-)

    I continue to be puzzled by why the MSM repeats the mantra that Bush's strongest suit is the War on Terror.

    Unfortunately, the MSM accepted Bush's talking points as conventional wisdom.  

    This started happening near the end of the 2000 election, ratcheted up after the WTC attack (I refuse to call it 911 anymore because it is a marketing term for the right) and continued it's climb up to the Mission Accomplished photo op that they love to still lie about.

     Since then, Bush's stock has been falling.  Hopefully we'll hear a resounding thud in November, as his stock hits rock bottom, and no one, not even the MSM believes anything he says.

  •  Every Dem should get aboard this train (32+ / 0-)

    and lay down the gauntlet.

    Bush gave you the meme. He's giving up on doing everything he can to find Bin Laden.

    Wasn't it "dead or alive", Georgie?

    He gave up on the man responsible for the deaths of Americans on American soil. On his watch! He's not against Bin Laden anymore, therefore he must be with him.

    George Bush: You're free to go about your business, Mr. Laden.

    That's hell and gone from what he accuses the NYT of.

    "As you get older, you get less willing to buy the latest version of reality." Leonard Cohen

    by mentaldebris on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 12:52:06 PM PDT

  •  Nice diary beachmom (3+ / 0-)

    "If the Republicans will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." Adlai Stevenson

    by demdiva on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 12:54:03 PM PDT

  •  A question (3+ / 0-)
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    Is it possible that they didn't really disband the bin Laden unit but are just spreading some misinformation?

    As a strategy, I'd have to say it is a bad idea since it is obvious that everyone would jump on an idea so stupid as disbanding the bin Laden unit, but is it possible anyway?

    "The room was dark as an honest politician's prospects." -- Dashiell Hammett

    by being released on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 12:58:37 PM PDT

  •  ridiculous (0+ / 0-)

    I'm sorry. I want OBL captured or killed as much as anyone, but I don't see how shuffling the org chart at the CIA has anything to do with this. Do we really care that there's an office with OBL's name on the door? I care about results, which might well be better achieved with regional organization instead of the old way (which was not exactly successful). Especially since the CIA's job is to be forward-thinking, to analyze data, and to prevent attacks. Chasing down a criminal who has been only minimally involved in attacks over the last few years is probably best done by other organizations. Besides, although Bush may well be stupid in his foreign policy, he's not so stupid as to intentionally do something that will make him look weak in a 5-second sound bite (even if it's not). Can you see Rove approving this? No way. This was undoubtably all within the CIA.

    Kerry and the rest of the Democrats should focus on real issues, like how to extricate us from the horrible situation in Iraq.

    •  Pardon me, but this IS a real issue (26+ / 0-)

      and goes along with the colossal errors Bush made when he could have gotten OBL in the first place in Tora Bora.  Kerry has said before that OBL was still making mistakes by then, like using his satellite phone, but now he's much more careful and harder to find.

      I don't find this to be a false issue.  And if you have read about the mass purges at the CIA (as detailed in Ron Suskind's new book), you've got to know that some of the best people, super-experts on bin Laden and al Qaeda no longer work there anymore because they dared to speak up and tell the truth.

      Kerry HAS been working on getting us out of Iraq with the Kerry/Feingold resolution, but in addition to that, we need to kick this administration in the butt about working on the REAL War on Terror.  And, btw, my quote of a former CIA official disagrees with you.

      •  disagree (1+ / 0-)
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        I fully agree with you on the colossal errors Bush made at Tora Bora, with the badness of the mass purges at the CIA, with just about every other aspect of how Bush has been a disaster. But I'm not convinced that this one is either (a) Bush's personal doing, or (b) inherantly a bad thing, and you've not yet made a clear argument on either point.

        •  And, of course, you know I can't know (3+ / 0-)
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          elveta, karenc, martini

          more than what is in the news reports.  I think this piece of info is indicative of the administration's obsession with Iraq to the detriment of going after the guys who did 9/11.  Surely, you can at least agree with me on that.

          •  I agree with the obsession (0+ / 0-)

            Yes, I definitely agree that the administration is obsessed with Iraq to the detriment of the going after the guys who did 9/11. It's not clear to me that this issue, of rearranging some CIA employees, has anything to do with that.

        •  Then (3+ / 0-)
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          Why didnt we finish the job in Afghanistan? Why the sudden turn and gear up for Iraq.. now Afghanistan is going back to hell in a handbasket and the ADHD Bush is picking a fight with Iran..

          I think this is a unwise move to make becuase all that J Q public  will EVER know is that we stopped looking for OBL specificly. Think about that for a moment.. how does that play in the public square?

          •  Terribly (1+ / 0-)
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            It plays terribly in the public square, obviously. Which is exactly why I suspect the White House had nothing to do with it. Kerry's going to go on all the talk shows, the White House is going to have to get all defensive, and it'll be an embarassment for Bush. Can you imagine Rove being so stupid as allowing this to happen?

            •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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              Its called a distraction,  and  precurse to bring out a boggie man to put fear into people. Bush doesnt really have anything to fear anymore.. its all politics to them.. i'll bet that after a few weeks of this.. WH will turn the tables or makes some obsured remarks.. (since by this time the public has already forgotten) and the sheeple with flock and follow..

        •  I have a question for you (4+ / 0-)
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          Do you think Bush's appointment of Porter Goss to head the CIA was a fluke? Do you honestly believe it was Goss and Goss' decision alone to get rid of some of the best and brightest we had at CIA? Now ask yourself about Valerie Plame's identity being blown by high-ranking members of the administration. This administration has wanted to fuck the CIA in the ass since they wouldn't greenlight the bogus Iraq intel and they've done exactly that! You say this isn't Bush's doing but I would disagree because every Bush loyalist that has replaced a competent intelligence professional at the behest of Porter Goss rests squarely on Bush's shoulders. As to whether or not this task force should be operational, I'll let the Presnitwit himself answer you:

          "When I was a kid I remember that they used to put out there in the Old West a wanted poster. It said, Wanted: Dead or Alive."
          --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C. Sept. 18, 2001

          "The folks who conducted to act on our country on September 11th made a big mistake. They underestimated America. They underestimated our resolve, our determination, our love for freedom. They misunderestimated the fact that we love a neighbor in need. They misunderestimated the compassion of our country. I think they misunderestimated the will and determination of the Commander-in-Chief, too."  
          --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 26, 2001

          (Emphasis: mine...Boneheaded narrative: The Presnitwit)

          "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." Johann Von Goethe

          by green917 on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:45:17 PM PDT

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          •  I don't understand your question (0+ / 0-)

            You're asking about stuff that doesn't seem to be related here. What does Goss have to do with this? Or Plame? Do you think Bush is trying to discredit the CIA by rearranging the org chart so he can say "Look! The CIA's so screwed up it doesn't even want to find OBL anymore!"?

            •  That's not what I'm saying at all (4+ / 0-)
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              I was attempting to bring to your attention the fact that it has been Bush's (and his entire administration's) intent to weaken and discredit the CIA ever since they wouldn't play ball on the Iraq intelligence. If you think that Bush didn't have anything to do with the decision to fold this unit, I think you are sorely mistaken. Basically, we have been unable to find a 6'5" man with one of the most recognized faces on the planet who needs kidney dialysis at least twice a week. I assure you that if we wanted to find him, we would have already. There has been a concerted effort on the part of our government to keep OBL at large because he is FAR more valuable to them as a boogeyman than he ever would be if we were to capture him. I may sound like a tinfoil haberdasher here but there is too much prevailing evidence that our government simply hasn't been concerned with finding OBL since we attacked Iraq (the real objective).

              "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." Johann Von Goethe

              by green917 on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 03:55:45 PM PDT

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      •  Jawbreaker is another great book on Tora Bora (11+ / 0-)

        Jawbreaker is the nickname for the author, too (I forget his name). This guy was high up in CIA and he was involved in managing the operations at Tora Bora (after doing many other operations in the Afghanistan War).

        At Tora Bora, Jawbreaker along with other CIA and Special Forces worked with the local Afghanistan troops to surround OBL and his terrorist troops. OBL was surrounded and backed up into the  mountains which were South of him (and which bordered Pakistan).

        Jawbreaker begged and pleaded for a long time for more Special Forces to be dropped in behind OBL in the mountains to completely surround him. Instead, the Bush administration decided to depend on local Afghanistan and Pakistan soldiers who are easily bribed and many of which had loyalties to OBL.

        And surprise, OBL got away. But you can't blame Bush since, like 9/11, no one thought this would happen. LOL.

        Also, a weird discrepancy in Suskind's new book is that he says OBL escaped to the North, versus Jawbreaker saying OBL escaped to the South. My money is on Jawbreaker. He seems to know the details.

        •  want to read it! (1+ / 0-)
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          Yes, my very specific, narrow comment about this particular issue has nothing to do with my disapproval of essentially everything else Bush has screwed up. Thanks for mentioning the book...

        •  I always wonder (0+ / 0-)

          about these books.  How did the author get permission to get this book published?  Don't military and intelligence folk have to get a release of some kind in order to publish books?

          I'm not saying it isn't credible.  But I just wonder about these things and I don't know what to believe anymore.

    •  oh yeah (0+ / 0-)

      the Dems have done nothing but sit around and not come up with plans for Iraq. You know, in an ideal world, the Democrats would have offered one, or you know, even TWO plans for consideration. Too bad we don't live in that world where the Democrats offered two different plans for consideration in how to get us out of the "horrible situation in Iraq"

      "The political function of rights is to protect the minority, (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)" -Ayn Rand

      by Kaity on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 01:40:41 PM PDT

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    •  Bin Laden's more than just a criminal (7+ / 0-)

      He was the Asshole that brought down the World Trade Center.

      And, Bush has done other things that have made him look stupid in a 5 second sound bit. There's history here and here's two examples:

      1. Dubai Ports Deal: Having Al Qaeda supporters run our ports. - Bad sound bite.


      1. Cut Homeland Security funding to New York City and D.C. - Bad Sound Bite.

      "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin." Charles Darwin

      by Rockydog on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 01:42:41 PM PDT

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    •  Kill 3,000 Americans, get away scot free (0+ / 0-)

      Yes, that's exactly the message we should send.


  •  Kerry is again trying to help the terrorists. (35+ / 0-)

    Kerry wants to continue the permanent CIA station which was charged with gathering intel and tracking Osama bin Laden - Kerry would give the terrorists who hate us a powerful reminder that we're still looking for them.  

    Bush's plan was brilliant - pretend that we've stopped looking for bin Laden & then maybe he'll slip up, thinking it's safe to come out in the open again.  So long as that desk was active, bin Laden knew he had to keep hiding - and he's apparently a really good hider.  Now Kerry, and probably the NYT, have spoiled another secret program in the War Against Terror.  With backstabbing treachery like this at home, this war might go on forever!

  •  Its called 'cut and run' (12+ / 0-)

    Bush is cutting and running from the job of finding OBL.

  •  The Repubs can't seem to get their priorities (9+ / 0-)

    straight.  Those tax cuts for the wealthy came first before the budget crunch and finding OBL.

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    by txbirdman on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 01:13:28 PM PDT

  •  Unit started during Clinton admin? (2+ / 0-)
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    I wonder if this is another political stunt.  They'll develop an operation they have total ownership of and lo and behold, we find Ben Laden in the Fall.  Is that too jaded?

  •  #1 issue (9+ / 0-)

    for Dems, and should have been since 9/11.

    Where is the murderer of 3000 Americans? Bush is "frankly not that concerned about him."

    •  Exactly right, HeavyJ (10+ / 0-)

      You know it isn't just this unit being shut down.  I saw that Frontline episode about Dick Cheney, and it said that we had special forces in Afghanistan, and then suddenly they started taking them out of country and refitting them for Iraq.  That's a big deal, because you simply need BOOTS ON THE GROUND if you want to catch him.  But for them, it's always been Iraq, Iraq, Iraq.  Why is that so?

      •  Because having Bin Laden out there (3+ / 0-)
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        gives them power, or has until now. He's already won two national elections for them.

        Unlike Iraq, though, he does not have his own vast oil supply.

      •  They've ignored every report and warning anyway (5+ / 0-)

        that they received from the Clinton administration on Bin Ladin, so why wouldn't they dismantle the unit?  This has served their agenda all too well.

        Besides, if they catch Osama, who will they say we are fighting in Iraq?

        If they catch Osama, how will they instill fear in their base (the only Americans still buying the BS) by using the threat of another 9/11 again and again?

        If they catch Osama, how will they justify their never ending "War on Terror"?

        I wanted to print posters or bumper stickers with his face superimposed over the falling towers, that read simply "Where's Osama?"  

        Every time I hear someone talk about Iraq, WOT or 9/11, I ask, "Where's Osama?"  

        I sure wish our media would do the same.  Imagine what could happen if only ONE journalist had the balls to ask that Every.Single.Time there is a press conference!!!

        Great diary, btw.  Thanks!

  •  Bin Laden CIA Unit was shut down (8+ / 0-)

    The reason is obvious. Bin Laden is really part of Team Bush. You can't work together if one of you is in jail.

    •  I've always said (1+ / 0-)
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      The reason Bin Hidin' can't be found is because he's in a luxury condo down on the beach in Boca.   He's a billionaire, after all.  

      What, him worry?   All he has to do is hang out and wait for his next cue from Karl as to when they need another video released.  {{Boo!}}   (Ever notice how convenient to the Bush spin-control cycle the Bin Hidin' vid tapes always seem to be?)

      Down in Boca Raton, I tell ya...sippin' Mai-Tai's, all day long...  

      Not a bit surprising that the Admin has shut down on the "search" for Mr. "Dead or Alive".   "Hey, we gave you the [mythical] Zarqawi boogey man, dead (so he couldn't talk, heh).   That's all you need to know about the War on Terra!"

  •  asdf (6+ / 0-)

    I don't know if anyone here listens to the Randi Rhodes show, but she was talking about something related yesterday. She had just spent the previous week on vacation and in FL she had no access to NYT or other mainstream, large newspapers and her only source of news (besides the internet) was television. She talked about how if you don't immerse yourself and actively pursue alternative sources of news, it's so easy to see how you get that distorted view of the world.

    When I get up in the morning, I always turn on Headline News. After laughing at Robin Meade and how competely inept she is at anything resembling the English language and how her sole purpose as a talking head is to sit there and look pretty in the morning, I am always shocked when I get to work, open up, dKos, and Americablog and learn all the stuff that Miss Meade didn't talk about.

    That's how the MSM perpetuates these myths.


    "The political function of rights is to protect the minority, (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)" -Ayn Rand

    by Kaity on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 01:37:13 PM PDT

    •  That's the problem with news today (5+ / 0-)

      I actually know people who don't watch or read the news at all.  So I wonder to myself, if they suddenly decided to get tuned in, what news program or publication could I recommend?  Because as much as I love the New Yorker and the Atlantic, those are not for the novices to news.  And the "easy" magazines like Time or Newsweek are so completely drenched with Karl Rove talking points, I almost think these people are better off remaining to be a clean slate.  Obviously, cable news is out, except maybe Keith Olbermann.

      That is the sorry state of news today.

      •  Yeah (3+ / 0-)
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        My day revolves around the news, from when I wake up to when I go to bed. Headline News in the morning, internet and Air America during work and commuting, Tivo'd Olbermann, Daily Show, Colbert Report, bed. My friend all think I'm crazy.

        But if I was going to recommend news to novices, it would be the Daily Show and Colbert Report, or as I call them "Fake News Power Hour!" They really do deliver the truth and are funny and interesting enough that the news-phobic enjoy them a lot. My roommate last year in September was proudly ignorant about politics and world events, and by May she was watching those shows with me every night.

        btw, if anyone likes those shows but can't see them for one reason or another, One Good Move has clips of them every day, as well as other things like Olbermann.

        "The political function of rights is to protect the minority, (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)" -Ayn Rand

        by Kaity on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 01:48:18 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Kerry is once again helping the terrorists (2+ / 0-)
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    Don't you guys get it? If Kerry and the MSM report that the CIA shut down the bin Laden unit, then the terrorists will start to think we aren't trying to find him!

    It's called a strategy. If they know we are looking for him then he'll try to hide and stuff.

    Jeez! Damn MSM always trying to hurt the war on terror.

  •  Why? (1+ / 0-)
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    Tinfoil Hat on ->

    The only reason I can think of that anyone, even Chimpy, would even CONSIDER shutting down the bin Laden group is that they have already found him.  They found him, he's in G'tmo, and they're waiting to trot him out until October -- just before the election.

    Tinfoil Hat now off.

    •  asdf (4+ / 0-)

      no, I think he's not even looking anymore. Like he said, he doesn't know where bin Laden is and he frankly doesn't care.

      "The political function of rights is to protect the minority, (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)" -Ayn Rand

      by Kaity on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 01:41:58 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Indeed (2+ / 0-)
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        I really do think this is one instance where Bush inadvertently let the truth slip out - and with an administration as based on lying and deceit as this one - you have to ferrit out the truth with a fine tooth comb.

        In any case, I pretty much think this Bin Lauden unit has been cut because Bushco sees it as a political liability.

        This is the filter through which they view every single issue - 'how is this good/bad for ME personally?'

        True or not true, the tinfoil hat stuff is irrelevent until there is SOMEBODY willing and able to launch an official investigation into the actions of the WH.

  •  The DNC should run a commercial concerning this (9+ / 0-)

    We have to continue to nationalize this election and make it a referendum on Bush. This is a perfect example of how pathetic Bush's war on terrorism is. Plus, it's a great foil for emphasizing the fact that it's been this Republican Congress that has rubberstamped every decision of this moron. Please Governor Dean, get a commercial out there.

    Proud resident of Southbury, CT, where we're still waiting for Lieberman to R.S.V.P.

    by John Campanelli on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 01:42:55 PM PDT

  •  Damn Kerry is on a roll (11+ / 0-)

    How I wish this Guy was President. Damn Bob Shrum to hell.

  •  This assumes (2+ / 0-)
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    that Bin Laden still lives. The odds of that become more remote with each passing day. If Zwahiri has enough cred with the nomads to push out a few videos set against a curtain, why not Osama?

    I don't believe any of the voice recordings have been authentic, since it's too easy to imagine someone doing a crude imitation on a shitty microphone to feign primitive conditions. Osama bin Laden LOVED going on TV. He was a camera whore par excellence. The idea that for 3-4 years he has gone unseen willingly is hard to believe, though not impossible. I think he became so hot as a propoganda commodity, his own side couldn't afford the humiliation of his capture, and they took matters into their own hands, kind of a mercy killing, like drowning a sack of puppies you don't have room for. Naturally I've never drowned a sack of puppies, ever, but you know, it's a metaphor. C'mon work with me here.

    Of course there needs to be an accounting of what happened to him. But given the potential damage to Bush if it were to be discovered that bin Laden was never as powerful as they imagined him to be, it's unthinkable that the world will find out any time soon. CIA or no CIA, Bush has decided that since they may never get to parade his head in a gold frame, it's best to forget about the whole thing.

    I wish I lived in a place and time when John Kerry's words amounted to more than a hill of beans in this crazy world of ours, but that kind of world would never have allowed Osama bin Laden to happen in the first place. Oh well, can't blame Kerry for trying. Sigh.

    •  OBL is Dead (1+ / 0-)
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      Rumors of his demise have circulated since Tora Bora and I tend to believe them. The best collection of documented sources for that belief is at site with a URL that fairly screams tinfoil, but it's got links to reputable sources that lend credibility to the thesis that OBL is not merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.

      Check it out. If other threads have covered this ground and debunked the evidence I'd appreciate pointers.

  •  Then there's the Saudi connection... (2+ / 0-)
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    Could the Bush family's ties with the Saudis have anything to do with this?  I remember how members of the bin Laden family were flown out after 9/11, when U.S. citizens weren't being allowed to fly.  That might be considered giving aid and comfort to the enemy.  Would the WH/Bush lay off hunting Osama if the Saudis requested it?

    Honestly, I don't know what to think.  Is this administration incompetent at a level never seen before on the Earth, criminal to the point of treason, or what?  It defies categorization.

    •  Well, I'm not a wearer of tin foil hats (1+ / 0-)
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      So I would put it more like this:  sometimes, the Bush family's lust for power and money cause them to ally themselves with people like Saddam Hussein or the Saudis, who later bite them (and us) in the ass.  I just learned recently that Bush Sr. was funneling money to Saddam (even after the Dem Congress had cut off funding) all the way to the moment he invaded Kuwait.  I was not paying attention back then, but I guess this scandal was called "Iraqgate", and it never did get enough traction.  Obviously, it should have.

      •  No tin foil hat here-- (1+ / 0-)
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        you describe what the Bush family is doing, and I'm struggling to understand the motivation behind the behavior.  But getting this country back on track is far and away the most important consideration--lives are depending on it.

        •  Oh, I know -- but sometimes it's (2+ / 0-)
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          hard NOT to wear the tin foil hat.  But as Kos said in the rules section for diaries, we live in a "reality based community" where extraordinary charges must be backed up with extraordinary evidence.  So, short of that, I can only speculate through the dark world of the Bush presidency.

          •  I look at the known facts (3+ / 0-)
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            My "reality base" requires qualitative and quantitative analysis. Not just pointing out problems, but seeking underlying factors, then working toward effective resolution.  The Bush presidency provides a wealth of data.

            •  'A wealth of data' (2+ / 0-)
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              The Bush presidency provides a wealth of data.

              It does, but the data often provides more questions than answers.  I also can't help but do both types of analysis and then the intuition kicks in and screams that some things, like the Bin Laden mystery, make no sense.

              The thing that probably helps me the most when I need some clarity on this administration, I refer to the PNAC neocon manifesto and discussions about this group, and also lately I've been reading about Cheney and Rumsfeld in their early political days.

  •  Gee, guess Kerry is tougher on Osama... (8+ / 0-)

    ...than Shrubya is.

    I hope Democrats remind America of this fact come election time, because the Rovian spin machine would LOVE America to believe otherwise.

  •  BUSH LOVES BIN LADEN (1+ / 0-)
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    There's no other way to explain it.  
    A friend of mine at work is dating a co-worker. He keeps it secret so he never admits to being with her when he takes vacation time (she takes her's the same time).  It's an open secret due to some company rule.
    It's odd. Bush is seeing Bin Laden the same way.  They need each other. There I said it!

    There'll never be a perfect world till God declares it that way, but that don't mean there's nothing we can do or say... Bruce Cockburn

    by elbamash on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:07:31 PM PDT

  •  Silly Kerry (2+ / 0-)
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    Doesn't he know that the CIA is no longer needed.  Intellegence is being run out of Cheney's office now.  Cheney knows all, reads all, does all.  So why do we need that old archaic CIA anymore?

  •  The hypocrisy of the U.S. Media on display!! (5+ / 0-)

    No Democrat could ever possibly advocate such a self-destructive move as shutting down the CIA unit dedicated to Osama Bin Laden & his closest Al Qaeda associates and ever get away with it -- as the U.S. Media would seize upon it and run them out of town  -- and yet here we have George W. Bush (who has let Bin Laden completely off the hook anyways) now virtually assuring full escape & unaccountability for Bin Laden and assuring he'll remain a free man -- while the U.S. Media lets him do so with absolute impunity and still has the cajones/sleeze to try to portray Bush as "strong" on National Defense.

    The truth is, of course, that the Bush Family and the Bin Laden Family have been Oil-related business partners for decades and have a long happy history of associations together. Both George H. W. Bush  and Osama Bin Laden were both Investors in "The Carlyle Group" a global corporation with it's key business in the War Industry (War Profiteers).  Simply put, Bush not only wants Bin Laden alive & well and to protect him (as we also saw him charter a special flight for the Bin Laden family just 2-days after Sept. 11 - assuring them safety & no questioning),  he wants Terrorism alive & well (as his own actions clearly show he has increased and not decreased).

    For the full graph, click Link:

    When will the U. S. Media start reporting the damn truth about Bush and his B.S. "National Defense" policies-??

    They'd have never let Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, or John Kerry get away with this, would they-?   Then again, they'd have never let either Al Gore or John Kerry steal a U.S. Election either -- and they let Bush do that as well with impunity!!

  •  Wonder if the CIA bin Laden Unit (2+ / 0-)
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    has gotten too close to actually capturing the No.1 Most Wanted criminal?

    Or maybe they found something else.

    Notice: This Comment © ROGNM

    by ROGNM on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:19:31 PM PDT

  •  Raw Story has now picked up the story (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Twins (2+ / 0-)
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    Two rich boys prone to violence and nutball religious extremism, little wonder they won't go after each other directly.

  •  Suppose Bush Doesn't Want to Cath Osama (3+ / 0-)
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    martini, pinkhardhat, BackFromThere

    A Recent Email That I Sent Out:

    I hope that most of you have read about the fact that the CIA has shut down the unit called Alec Station that had a dedicated mission of hunting down Osama bin Laden. It seems as though the "dead or alive" hunt for this terrorist and his top lieutenants that are responsible for the destruction brought to our shores on 9/11 is no longer a priority for the Bush Administration. It seems as if the Bush Administration has "cut and run" on the "real" war on terror(ism).

    For all the bluster about the Democrats being un-patriotic for their recommendations for a timetable for troop withdrawals from Iraq it seems as if the Rovian Chicken Hawks in the White House have shown where true hypocrites really reside.

    For all this crap about "never forgetting" 9/11 it seems as if this chicken hearted cabal of power hungry idiots have shown their true colors. They "never forget 9/1" only when it is convienient to stir up the fears and war fevor in the electorate to bring in the votes of the Soccer Moms and NASCAR Dads.

    To hell with the fact that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or had no WMDs, they use these fear techniques to whip up the base and get the Republican politicians and the salivating "talking heads" to get behind their commander-in-chief chicken hawk George W. Bush in his execution of this "noble war" that is using the cream of our youth as cannon fodder.

    An answer to why the Bushevicks may have stopped hunting Osama may be revealed in this article from

    CIA: Osama Helped Bush in '04
    By Robert Parry

    July 4, 2006

    On Oct. 29, 2004 , just four days before the U.S. presidential election, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin-Laden released a videotape denouncing George W. Bush. Some Bush supporters quickly spun the diatribe as “Osama’s endorsement of John Kerry.” But behind the walls of the CIA, analysts had concluded the opposite: that bin-Laden was trying to help Bush gain a second term.

    This stunning CIA disclosure is tucked away in a brief passage near the end of Ron Suskind’s The One Percent Doctrine, which draws heavily from CIA insiders. Suskind wrote that the CIA analysts based their troubling assessment on classified information, but the analysts still puzzled over exactly why bin-Laden wanted Bush to stay in office.

    But the CIA analysts also felt that bin-Laden might have recognized how Bush’s policies – including the Guantanamo prison camp, the Abu Ghraib scandal and the endless bloodshed in Iraq – were serving al-Qaeda’s strategic goals for recruiting a new generation of jihadists.

    Find the complete article at:

    If this conclusion by the CIA analysts is accurate, the Bushevicks may want to take out Osama, dust him off and use him for more of their fear campaigns at a later date.

    But these two revelations sure kick the hell out of the theory that we are safer now than before 9/11 because of the Bush Administration's "War on Terror(ism)".

    I hope against hope that the voters in November will see through these tactics of fear and intimidation ochastrated by Karl Rove and kick these war mongering chicken hawks out of Washington. That way we can start impeachment proceedings against this imperialistic cabal of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld!!!

    Shayne Munger
    Riverside, CA

    "It is always a simple matter to drag the people along... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." ~Hermann Goering, 4/18/46


    The DailyKos

    Shayne Munger A liberal and proud of it.

    by Shayne Munger on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:44:52 PM PDT

  •  Bush was never really interested in bin Laden. (5+ / 0-)

    He was interested in Saddam...all the way from the beginning.  He even started transferring our troops from Afghanistan to Iraq in early 2002, letting bin Laden slip away in Tora Bora.

    The bin Laden "hunt" was just a cover and lead-in to topple Saddam.

    •  But he would STILL have to have a motive (0+ / 0-)

      not to try and kill Bin Laden.

      On the surface, killing Bin Laden would have to be a 'win-win' situation for Bush.

      My best guess is that the Bin Laden family has some very damaging info on Bush that they will use against him if he kills Ossama.

  •  I must be alone (2+ / 0-)
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    lost my password, BackFromThere

    in thinking that this is a good thing.  Finally, a recognition that the monolithic picture of Al Qaeda and 9/11 as the work of a single mastermind "evil doer" was never an accurate one and that, consequently, the best way to fight Al Qaeda does not involve devoting huge resources to the search for Bin Laden.  Not that he isn't a criminal.  Just that Bush has used this vision of a hierarchical organization with Bin Laden at the very top in order to justify the entire "war" metaphor.  If Al Qaeda turns out to be as diffuse as the simple idea "wage Jihad on the West," then we are one step toward freeing ourselves from the dangerous idea that this is a "war on terror" rather than what it ought to be: an international law enforcement operation.

  •  Call me a plagiarist, I'm gonna base a LttE on it (5+ / 0-)
  •  Tell me again (6+ / 0-)

    how this is a "War on Terror" and not a "War for Oil, Profit, and Occupation"?

    When the #1 terrorist - the mastermind behind 9/11 is no longer a priority to the Bush administration (was he ever?) yet our troops are still bogged down in Iraq fighting "terrorists" - there's a problem.

    Leave it to Kerry to continue to keep the pressure on these fools.

    Thank you again, Senator. Keep up the good work.

  •  Practicing Good Politics... (2+ / 0-)
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    It's good to see Kerry practing some good politics and jumping on a layup issue like this before the Republicans chime in.

    If Kerry is able to get some momentum behind this it will be very difficult for some Republicans not to follow his lead, especially with the recent Bin Laden video releases..

    Imagine that! Republicans following the lead of a Democrat!!

    I only wish that I didn't have to point out the rare occassions a Democratic Senator practices good politics...

  •  Statute of Limitations II (0+ / 0-)

    As I mentioned on this site a few days ago, the Bush administration apparently has a statute of limitations for individuals and groups who murder 3,000 people, knock down America's two tallest buildings, and conduct the first successful attack on the nation's capitol since 1814.  I don't.

    Democrats should be treating the closure of the 'get bin Laden unit' the way they did the Dubai ports deal.    They also should be attacking Bush and the Republicans for losing the 'war on terror' and being soft on terrorists.  There is plenty of evidence to support such an accusation.

    •  That successful attack on D.C. (0+ / 0-)

      was supported by Cheney:

      Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta spoke during the second public 9/11 Commission hearing. While not in his prepared testemony, the questioning period afterwards covers Cheney dismissing a junior officer who wanted orders to shoot the plane down before it hit the Pentagon.

      Page 8 of

      Money quote:

      MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.

      More on that statement is picked up again on pages 11-13.

      Also available at

  •  Bu$h also stated they were not going to (2+ / 0-)
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    emphasize looking for individuals in the "war on terror."

    This is part of that, and purely an attempt to take pressure off the rethugs for not having caught Osama BL by now. They don't want to have to hear it during campaigns. Such a cynical ploy!

    ....But there's something bubbling (up) in America that will be reflected at the polls. --John Kerry 5/31/6

    by Gorette on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 07:40:22 PM PDT

  •  My own tinfoil hat theory (0+ / 0-)

    The Bushies and the bin Ladens have been very close for many years.  Whereas Osama may be the black sheep of the family, the the ben Ladens probably do not want him killed.  Tit for that!  No big surprise to me.

    "The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country..." - Thomas Paine

    by elveta on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 07:49:49 PM PDT

  •  My man, ...Kerry has been on it.... (7+ / 0-)

    I have to give it to Kerry he has been a better ex-campaigner and a tremdous defender of what is the best in America since 04. I wonder why that guy did not surfice more.

    But, on every issue that comes up....everyone can clearly say Kerry has been on it. Good Job and Thanks.

    "These guys are biggest bunch of lying crooks I have ever seen" John Kerry

    by alnc on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 08:31:33 PM PDT

    •  The Rove Character-Assassination unit did a real (2+ / 0-)
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      number on Kerry - even a lot of Dems bought all that BS.

      •  But there's one thing Rove will never be able to (4+ / 0-)
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        touch, and that's his boy King getting his butt kicked three times in a row during the debates.

        A few pundit reactions to the third debate:

        Bob Novak: “Kerry seems to be overpowering Bush.”

        Candy Crowley: “If what you’re looking for in a candidate is the best debater, I mean, that is definitely John Kerry. He has a quick command of the facts, he is very articulate, and I think the poll reflects that.”

        Ron Reagan: “I will predict that the polls tomorrow, just as they have in the two previous presidential debates, will say that Kerry won.”

        Pat Buchanan: “Kerry was, I thought, very much at the top of his game and I thought toward the end, when you saw Kerry, you saw more of the humanity of the man in some of those questions, which was very helpful to them; talking about the daughters and things. I thought he had some excellent moments.”

        John Roberts: “I would probably have to give it to John Kerry. He seemed a little bit more poised.”

        Joe Scarborough: “It gave Democrats a reason to be excited about John Kerry.”

        Jon Meacham, Newsweek: “John Kerry took the populist war straight to the President.”

        Tavis Smiley: “I think, Peter, that you have to shore up your bases...I think Mr. Kerry did that with people of color on the left.”

        Bill Schneider: “Well this was a decisive win for John Kerry. It was just about as decisive as his win in the first debate, which everyone agreed was a blowout. His, the first debate he won by 16 points; this debate, Kerry won by 13 points. According to the views of the viewers polled immediately after the debate so they had no chance really to be influenced by the spin.”

        Andrea Mitchell: “Kerry says, well we all, you know, married above ourselves and some would say, me more than most – joking about Teresa Heinz and her extraordinary fortune and I thought that was actually showing a lot of self confidence of John Kerry to joke about that disparity.”
        Kerry’s Momentum Grew And Grows

        David Gergen: "John Kerry, Sen. Kerry gained strength as the debate went on and I thought he became much more effective and if anything I thought the last part of the debate was his."

        Carlos Watson: “As we went along, as we talked about social security, as we talked about immigration, as we talked even about the Supreme Court, I thought John Kerry ultimately found his voice. And when all is said and done I think Kerry will be proclaimed the winner, which I think will be significant because I think he will be viewed as having won all three debates.”

        Dean Reynolds: “I think the candidate whose numbers have been moving in the right direction for the last 10 days has been Senator John Kerry, this debate did nothing to stop that, and I think from the Kerry point of view they’ll be happy about the results tonight.”

        Anthony Mason: “Dan, the uncommitted voters in our survey have given the edge in this debate, to this final debate, to John Kerry.”

  •  Bush doesn't spend much time on it. (0+ / 0-)

    Why should our CIA... the CIA we pay for? Why should they look out for us? We've got Republicans in office.

    Did everyone forget? When Republicans are in office, they kill Americans for money... now Americans die at home, en masse. That's the new Republican party's twist, kill the poor in war and by removing social services, of course... but let's kill them by refusing aid in times of crisis, or let's kill them by allowing terrorist attacks to happen.

    Of course Bush will shut down an investigation he can't totally undermine on his singular mission to protect the Saudis and therefore America's aristocracy.

    If Bush hadn't been President, we wouldn't have been attacked on 911.

    The Bush family is America's #1 enemy, they are the reason we are in danger. It's still amazing to me that Americans made the most dangerous man in America (for our children) President.

    We're just pathetically uninformed, unintelligent. We the people are fucking stupid. Maybe we deserve Bush. I guess we do.

  •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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    If Shrubby knows UBL is dead or holed up in a Saudi Palace, why keep the facade of a hunt going?

    There have only been audio tapes of him, he only appears before US elections? Gimme a break.
    It's a fraud.

  •  Kerry is supporting the Long War (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't get why this is seen as Kerry fighting Bush so hard. Look at what he said:

    The decision to divert resources from the crucial fight against bin Laden and al Qaeda to wage war on Iraq has made the task of eradicating this increasingly diffuse threat more difficult. We now face a long, difficult and multi-faceted struggle against global terrorism and the hateful ideology that inspires it.

    Sounds like Kerry is supporting Bush's "Long War", and has signed on the dotted lines of the "GWOT" which is a bullshit plot to rob America of what makes us great and enrich the war profiteers forever and ever.

    Reminds me of when Howard Dean says there weren't any terrorists when we went into Iraq, now there are terrorists there. Which makes people want to stay and fight because, by gosh, there are terrorists there. Terrorists have to be killed.

    I believe that as soon as we leave the Iraqis will make quick work of getting rid of foriegn fundimentalist psychopaths, because Iraq is a modern secular country of educated people.

    •  So you're saying there is no enemy out there (2+ / 0-)
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      A Patriot for Kerry, lynmar

      determined to attack and kill Americans?   Tell the people whose loved ones died on 9/11 that there is no "war".  What do you want to call it?  Struggle against global terrorist criminals?  That's fine.  But even when Bush and his crew are gone, the enemy will remain.  And they don't give a shit who you voted for or whether or not you were for the Iraq War.  

      Just because invading Iraq was a colossal error doesn't mean there is no war.  Why does it have to be either/or?   It's an unconventional war requiring law enforcement, intelligence, increased security for the homeland, and yes, in rare cases, conflicts with states that wholesale harbor terrorists like Afghanistan, and it's also a war of ideas, for which Iraq has hurt us.  But there is no doubt to me, that if OBL DID get his hands on WMD, he would use it, and the result would look a hell of a lot like war.  

      I realize that the behavior of the Bush administration and this war in Iraq has you thinking that it's all lies, but if you go back and study OBL, al Qaeda, its history, and the terrorist attacks before 9/11, you're going to find an evil, virulent ideology that is violent and extreme.  And it must be stopped.  I won't be voting for ANY Democrat in '08 who doesn't get that.  And, in fact, I know of NO Democrats who agree with your statement.

      •  no one wants to fight islamic fundamentalism (0+ / 0-)

        more than me, Islamic fundies are worse than Christian fundies, they are both ultra conservatives and they are ideologies to be struggled against.

        I certainly don't like this whole "war on terror" that Bush has created. When WTC was bombed the first time did Clinton declare a "war on terror" and make it the centerpiece of everything? Nope, and he caught the people responsible.

        So is Kerry against this BS "war on terror" and for actually spreading enlightened ideas and opportunity around the world so fundamentalism doesnt take root? Yeah Im sure he is. So I guess you could say me and Kerry agree, I just didn't like the language he used.

        I want things in America to go back to normal, before Bush started these two wars. I do not like the idea of a never ending war that justifies all manners of atrocities and erosion of freedom.

    •  Do you actually pay attention to anything? (0+ / 0-)

      If so, you'd know that Kerry has been voiceferously lobbying for an end to the Iraq war for nearly a year.  Your comment reeks of such utter cluelessness.

    •  Also, you act as if Dean is anti war on terror (0+ / 0-)

      Which is NOT true.  Dean argued that we had the right to find out if Saddam was violating weapons inspections and the right to threaten force in order to force Saddam's hand, but both he and Kerry were against pre-emptive invasion.  Dean has always come out in full support of the operations in Afghanistan and against al-Qaeda.  You are trying to create a difference where none exists, and it's fairly obvious to anyone who has a modicum of sense.

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