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This is beyond pathetic. One freeper published the horrific pictures of those innocent children died in the Israel airstrike. It is no surprise that freepers are celebrating the death of those innocent kids.

Folks, this is the difference between us and those radicals including Hezbollah, bin laden, radical zionists and freepers. We treasure every innocent life, they are celebrating the death of every innoncent life...

After reading those freepers' comments, I am just speechless. Make no mistake, these radical beasts including Hezbollah and freepers are the enemies we're dealing with. They have no souls. They need to be defeated for the decency of humanity.

Horrific pictures...

Selective comments from freepers, we need to expose those haters' real identities...

Again, the link to the free republic thread [One freeper published
1: NRA2BFree


It's very sad that those little ones died, but Hezbollah is 100% to blame. They are the ones who built missile silos in the middle of residential areas. I know this will sound tacky, but I'm gonna say it anyway. Those kids would have grown up to be hate filled Islamists whose one purpose in life is to kill Jews, Christians and Americans. Dying before they reach an age of accountability is the best thing that could happen to a Muslim's child. THAT is the only way they can escape the Judgment that is going to fall on their parents!!

30 posted on 07/30/2006 2:25:08 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G. I.)

2: Lady Jag.


keep talking about the value of innocent life. It's disgusting how they give it no value.
Societies who give life no value are composed of people who want to die. We should kill them.

62 posted on 07/30/2006 2:49:06 PM PDT by Lady Jag (True genius sees with the eyes of a child and thinks with the brain of a genie)

3.: Alouette('Christian' sick)


It's about taking just a moment to mourn the innocent.
How many moments did our GI's take during World War II to stop and mourn for the innocent children of Dresden and Hiroshima?

Everything has its time and its season. After victory, there will be a time to mourn. After a defeat, no mourning will be allowed.

70 posted on 07/30/2006 2:51:59 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 29-34)

4. Shimmer128:


Forgive me for wondering if it would have been a sad thing if Hitler died as a child. I'm not arguing. I am feeling very philosophical about this. So help me out....would it have been tragic if Hitler had been killed as a child?
Or Sadaam. Or John Wayne Gacy.
Is the potential for terrorism and horror non existent until it occurs?

78 posted on 07/30/2006 2:56:06 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (A

5. caryatid


I am not unsympathetic; nor do I dislike children.
However ........ I would have to have the term "children" defined. The way "they" usually define it is "anyone under the age of 18".

How many of the "innocents" were truly children ... say, under the age of 10 or 11 ... and how many of them were older ... potential, if not actual, suicide bombers?

We must all beware of propaganda ... from outside sources as well as from our own news media.

123 posted on 07/30/2006 3:19:09 PM PDT by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)

We should definitely track down the true identities of those freepers who advocate violence and glorify the death of innocent children. There is no difference between these beasts and Nazis, Bin Laden etc. We should hold freerepublic accountable for those comments full of hatred and  violence... I suggest we should set up a team to monitor and record every freeper hater. Folks, don't underestimate them. I have no doubt if they can get away, they will have no problem killing every liberal.

Originally posted to firestorm on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 09:53 PM PDT.

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  •  You need to change your diary title. (18+ / 0-)

    I don't see any of them celebrating. They are justifying it, but not celebrating. As it is, the title is incorrect.

    I don't condone their justifications. I think they are abhorrent, but you need to be more accurate.

    Flying Squid Studios - Cartoons to Rot Your Brain!

    by Arken on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 09:49:56 PM PDT

  •  I'm glad you lump both left and right extremists (2+ / 0-)
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    Including Hezbollah and freepers. If you go far enough in any direction (left, right, religionists, nationalists, etc.) it seems you end up at the same place.

  •  That first one was shown from a frontal (2+ / 0-)
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    aspect in the flame war diary by Soul, earlier tonight.

    You better strap in, it may be a long night if you plan on attending to this diary.

  •  You are no better than the freepers for (4+ / 0-)
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    Krum, iliketodrum, Arken, uniongal

    displaying these photos...what on God's green earth is your point??

    "Our sweat and our blood have fallen on this land to make other men rich." Cesar Chavez

    by bic momma on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 09:56:09 PM PDT

  •  This is lame (2+ / 0-)
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    What is the point of this. It's diaries such as these that drive me away from the blogosphere. I thought Daily Kos was above this.

    "Sex and creativity are often seen by dictators as subversive activities." -Erica Jong

    by iliketodrum on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:05:30 PM PDT

  •  The necessity of posting these photos. (17+ / 0-)

    Dehumanization is a process by which members of a group of people assert the "inferiority" of another group through subtle or overt acts or statements. Dehumanization may be directed by an organization (such as a state) or may be the composite of individual sentiments and actions, as with some types of de facto racism. State-organized dehumanization has been directed against perceived racial or ethnic groups, nationalities (or "foreigners" in general), religious groups, sexes, sexual minorities, disabled people as a class, economic and social classes, and many other groups.

    Sociologists and historians often view dehumanization as central to some or all types of wars. Democratic governments sometimes present "enemy" civilians or soldiers as less than human so that voters will be more likely to support a war they may otherwise consider mass murder. Dictatorships use the same process to prevent opposition by citizens. Such efforts often depend on preexisting racist, sectarian or otherwise biased beliefs, which governments play upon through various types of media, presenting "enemies" as barbaric, undeserving of rights, and a threat to the nation. Alternately, states sometimes present the enemy government or way of life as barbaric and its citizens as childlike and incapable of managing their own affairs. Such arguments have been used as a pretext for colonialism.

    The Holocaust of World War II and the Rwandan Genocide have both been cited as atrocities predicated upon government-organized campaigns of dehumanization, while crimes like lynching (especially in the United States) are often thought of as the result of popular bigotry and government apathy. Anthropologists Ashley Montagu and Floyd Matson famously wrote that dehumanization might well be considered "the fifth horsemen of the apocalypse" because of the inestimable damage it has dealt to society. When people become things, the logic follows, they become dispensable - and any atrocity can be justified.

    How to stop a war? Rehumanize the victims. Show that they are real people, not just `terrorists'. Real innocent women and children, real grieving individuals. How to stop a war? Show pictures of the innocent victims.

    You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

    by Opakapaka on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:07:02 PM PDT

    •  aoeu (2+ / 0-)
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      You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

      by Opakapaka on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:07:35 PM PDT

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    •  Fine. (6+ / 0-)

      But at the same time be honest. Don't call justification celebration like the diarist did. It does no one any favors to be dishonest.

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      by Arken on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:10:10 PM PDT

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    •  Come on (3+ / 0-)
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      You don't think I am freaking out over the death and destruction going on right now?! Really!

      It’s a diary like this that disrespects my capacity to understand the world.

      I know full well WTF is going on. But the approach of this diary is beneath me, and I believe the bulk of the members of this community.

      But I have no authority to speak for anyone else but myself. All I can say is, hey pal, I know what is going on, and it is fucked up! I don't need a diary that is written in a way to incite revolt among members of a community.

      This diary is inflammatory and offers no thoughtful insight into the current horror that is transpiring in the Middle East.

      Thanks for your copy and paste reply though. It was enlightening...

      "Sex and creativity are often seen by dictators as subversive activities." -Erica Jong

      by iliketodrum on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:15:15 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not sure about this, (5+ / 0-)
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        but there's no question that the reason America supports the `war on terror' is because we're killing `terrorists'. They're not people, they're things. If we can make them into people, we can end support for the war.

        Maybe showing pictures of the people (not things), who are killed, we can go in this direction. If you read the wingnuts rationalizing their deaths, you read things like

        Those kids would have grown up to be hate filled Islamists . . . You see, they weren't people, they were future `Islamists'.

        keep talking about the value of innocent life. It's disgusting how they give it no value.
        Societies who give life no value are composed of people who want to die.
        You see, they weren't people, they were `those who give no value to innocent life and want to die'.

        Forgive me for wondering if it would have been a sad thing if Hitler died as a child. I'm not arguing. I am feeling very philosophical about this. So help me out....would it have been tragic if Hitler had been killed as a child? Or Sadaam. Or John Wayne Gacy. Is the potential for terrorism and horror non existent until it occurs? You see, they weren't people, they were future mass murderers, future `terrorists'.

        I am not unsympathetic; nor do I dislike children. However ........ I would have to have the term "children" defined. The way "they" usually define it is "anyone under the age of 18". How many of the "innocents" were truly children ... say, under the age of 10 or 11 ... and how many of them were older ... potential, if not actual, suicide bombers? This person is really struggling. They're not really children, she says. They're not really children, but potential suicide bombers.

        You can see how important it is for these people to not see the victims as children, to not see them as people, but instead to see them as threatening things. We have to attack this perception repeatedly, and wear it down. We have to show them that they really are people, not things.

        You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

        by Opakapaka on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:30:09 PM PDT

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        •  spot on. (3+ / 0-)
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          That's why freepers are so afraid of these pics because images do not usually lie. They are powerful. Freepers just like other radicals are so afraid that people will see through their lies.

          War is not video game.

        •  It dosen't matter (0+ / 0-)

          If Hitler could have been killed as a child.

          That line of logic is illogical.

          the potential for terrorism and horror non-existent until it occurs? You see, they weren't people, they were future mass murderers, future `terrorists'.

          That comment is pure bullshit man. You can never assume, which is what you just did in your line of reasoning, that if "Hitler" was killed then there would be one less terrorist or mass murder.

          When Hitler was a kid he was not a mass murderer. It has to do with so many other complicated social factors that to presume, what you have, is more horrific than what any mass murder or terrorist has ever perpetrated.

          Actually the more I read your comment the more I am confused with its premise. It is so far outside of my reason of logic that I have to stop right now.

          Can you clarify what you said?

          "Sex and creativity are often seen by dictators as subversive activities." -Erica Jong

          by iliketodrum on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:42:36 PM PDT

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        •  Thank you O. (3+ / 0-)
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          There crosses a line where the sanitisation of war is no longer acceptable. The moral outrage at this bombing outweighs any sensibility about showing dead children. Indeed one could argue that by using the images there is a very good chance that action will be demanded of governments that are supporting or tacitally approving Israel's policies. It also seems to me that facing up to the reality of war will lead to a questioning at the least of the assumptions made about military power and the justifications used to deploy it.

          Now this may be a US/British sensibility thing or an editorial decision to try to change British policy (or because it is such a powerful picture) but virtually every national paper on Monday morning is carring the same picture on its front page. It will therefore be staring out from the newsstands throughout the country. This is the entire front page of today's Independent.

    •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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      Opakapaka

      The whole insane formulation of "Global War on Terrorism = a war on Islamofascism = war on muslims = war on children is a freeper trope that requires dehumanization of vilification of the adversary..

      How do we justify this?  "They" are a culture of hate, who seek our deaths and the death of freedom.  Irredemable, irreducible hate".  GWB says this all the time.

      It is about reducing threat of "terrorists" not terrorism.

      It's disgusting how they give it no value.
      Societies who give life no value are composed of people who want to die. We should kill them.

      The fate of the wounded rests with the one who applies the first dressing- Nicholas Senn

      by Eiron on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 02:48:51 AM PDT

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  •  Justification & Rationalization (2+ / 0-)
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    Is not celebration.

    This is celebration:

    Extremist muslim clerics will meet in London on September 11 to celebrate the anniversary of al-Qaeda's attacks on America and to launch an organisation for Islamic militants.

    The conference, which will be attended by the most radical mullahs in Britain, will argue that the atrocities were justified because Muslims must defend themselves against armed aggression.

    link

  •  Please edit-out (8+ / 0-)

    the first sentence of the last paragraph.  I'm not sure, but I think it flirts with being a bannable offense.

    "In the beginning the universe was created. This has been widely criticized and generally regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams

    by LithiumCola on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:13:38 PM PDT

    •  Please also (2+ / 0-)
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      tlh lib, Arken

      correct the spelling of the word `innocent' in the title.

      You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

      by Opakapaka on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:16:21 PM PDT

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    •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
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      Exposing people's identities is not something we want to promote here at Daily Kos.  Also, I think that language like this:

      Make no mistake, these radical beasts including Hezbollah and freepers are the enemies we're dealing with. They have no souls. They need to be defeated for the decency of humanity.

      is counterproductive.  Is it really necessary to refer to people as "beasts" and claim that they have no souls?  Dehumanizing the enemy rarely leads to good outcomes.  

      •  I'm not in the mood to (0+ / 0-)

        'dehumanize' these beasts. Make no mistake, we treasure every 'innocent' life, not every life.
        They are terrorists, they are enemies of mankind.

        •  Did you just say that Freepers are (0+ / 0-)

          terrorists?   The comment you were responding to mentioned them as one and the same (quoting you albeit) so are you now saying that they are terrorists?

          You give those chickenhawk morons too much credit for having the ability to say stupid shit on the internet.

          But then again....

          Thinking of posting a diary? Read the FAQ? Don't post that diary until you do. :-)

          by tlh lib on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 11:25:09 PM PDT

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  •  Greatest Warriors Are The Reluctant Warriors (5+ / 0-)
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    You can believe in the justification of your fight and still strongly regret any innocent loss of life as well as the life of your opponent (who is primarily there because an accident of birth).  Leave it to the  fighting keyboardists to reach for a way to ease their conscience by demonizing the innocents who lost their lives. The kids were all going to turn out to be suicide bombers anyway? Doesn't Bush like to say that his problem is with Islamic extremists and not the masses. Oh well. If it makes a freeper feel better.

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    by HL Mungo on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:17:09 PM PDT

  •  I don't get it. (4+ / 0-)
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    You scorn Freepers for publishing the photos:

    This is beyond pathetic. One freeper published the horrific pictures of those innocent children died in the Israel airstrike

    Then you publish the same photos?

    Did you really expect good governance from those who scorn government?

    by Job52 on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:19:30 PM PDT

  •  Israeli ceasefire (1+ / 0-)
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    Blue Generalist

    I hope this horrific attack really is the turning point in this awful conflict.

    I cried this morning when I heard about this attack without even seeing any pictures. The thought of so many children being killed is just abhorrent to me. There can be no justification for such an attack.

    Israel Halts Air Attacks in South Lebanon

    JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel suspended air attacks on south Lebanon for 48 hours starting early Monday in the face of widespread outrage over an airstrike on a house that killed 56 Lebanese, almost all of them women and children.

    The announcement - made by a State Department spokesman with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in Jerusalem - appeared to reflect American pressure on Israel to make some concession after the strike.

    In addition to suspending air attacks, Israel will also allow the opening of corridors for 24 hours for Lebanese civilians who want to leave south Lebanon for the north and would maintain land, sea and air corridors for humanitarian assistance, officials said.

    Israeli officials confirmed Prime Minister Ehud Olmert agreed to an immediate 48-hour halt in the airstrikes beginning at 2 a.m. Monday while the military concludes its inquiry into the attack on the south Lebanese village of Qana. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to reporters.

  •  Bullshit. Utter and complete Bullshit. (3+ / 0-)
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    No, not the freepers, though, they do rank up there with pretty icky people, but this:

    We should definitely track down the true identities of those freepers who advocate violence and glorify the death of innocent children.

    This is not ok.  
    Advocating, or even implying violence, is not ok.  
    Advocating an invasion of privacy is not ok.  

    As much as I despise their attitude, and what they say, just like so many other things in this world, I will defend with every ounce of my being their right to say it.

  •  Freepers worshipping death. (1+ / 0-)
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    In other news, bear shits in woods. More at 11.

    I can also be found here, rambling incoherently.

    by BullitNutz on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 01:03:58 AM PDT

  •  Photos should be shown (0+ / 0-)

      The photos are proof of war crimes, no matter who killed these children in Qana. Only the truth getting out will have its proper response like the outrage coming from around the world. The tragedy is that probably no one will not end up being accountable for the horror committed against Lebanese innocent civilians.

  •  Somebody actually recommended this diary? (0+ / 0-)

    Bands of trolls are amongst us.

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    by shergald on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 05:33:29 AM PDT

  •  Exposure (0+ / 0-)

    Everyone has the right to free speech.  

    No, I don't agree with The Free Republic or anyone that is this vile and loathsome.  They are consciousless sociopaths in my view.  But, threatening exposure of private lives and anonymous identities online is absolutely wrong as well.  Exposure goes both ways.

    Get some integrity yourself. One would think you might have learned something from the other instances of bloggers lives being exposed and ruined.

    We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi

    by Sinequanon on Tue Aug 01, 2006 at 08:10:59 PM PDT

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